published Tuesday, September 17th, 2013

5-at-10: SEC questions, NFL answers, richest folks and TV's best

From the "Talks too much" studios, we have questions. You want answers. We want the truth. YOU can't handle the truth.

SEC asked and answered

1) Alabama (2-0, 1-0 SEC)

Are we ready to say AJ McCarron is the best quarterback in Alabama history? He's 27-2 as a starter. He's eyeing his third consecutive national title as a starting QB — and since he was a redshirt freshman in 2009 — his fourth BCS ring overall. He'll likely rewrite the Alabama passing records this year. Forget just Alabama — which has a few familiar names like Starr and Stabler and Namath and Barker in its illustrious history — you can make a hard argument that McCarron is the best college quarterback ever.

Saturday: vs. Colorado State, 7 (ESPN2)

2) LSU (3-0, 0-0)

Will LSU be tested this week? LSU has won each of its three games by double digits and has a margin of victory of right at four TDs. Sure, the trio of TCU, UAB and Kent State is long on abbreviations and short on talent, but LSU is crazy talented in every phase.

Saturday: vs. Auburn, 7:45 (ESPN)

3) Georgia (1-1, 1-0)

Will Georgia be caught looking ahead to next week's monster showdown with LSU? Possibly, but if the etiquette folks and English teachers out there will excuse it, we'll answer the question with a question: If Georgia is looking ahead to LSU, would it really matter against North Texas, which is flush with a boss nickname (Mean Green is cool) but overmatched?

Saturday: vs. North Texas, 12:21 (WDSI)

4) Texas A&M (2-1, 0-1)

If you were an NFL GM would you draft Johnny Football in the first round? Most likely not, but his receiver Mike Evans sure looks the part of a first-round guy. That said, despite all the potential distractions and the Johnny Cam and all the attention, Johnny Manziel showed up and showed out when they turned the lights on Saturday against Alabama. (Side note: If the over-under between the Aggies and SMU Saturday is less than 80, take the over

Saturday: vs. SMU, 7 (ESPNU)

5) Florida (1-1, 0-0)

Will the first team to 24 win Saturday's UT-Florida game? It sure looks that way. Here's a bonus question: How can the Florida Gators — yes, the state school of arguably the best and fastest high school football in the country — not have a wide receiver that scares foes? This one is hard to answer.

Saturday: vs. Tennessee, 3:30 (CBS)

6) Ole Miss (3-0, 1-0)

Is this too low for the fast-rising Rebels, who arguably have the best resume this side of Alabama through three games considering they have road wins over Vandy and Texas. And do not sleep on Jeff Scott, the 5-foot-8 speedster that rushed for more than 160 against Mack Brown's struggling Longhorns and delivered a Mack-breaking 73-yard punt return for a score in Ole Miss' second-half onslaught.

Saturday: Open

7) South Carolina (2-1, 1-1)

Which is the real Gamecocks: the team that built a 21-0 first-quarter lead over Vandy or the team that was outscored 25-14 over the final three quarters? The truth is somewhere in the middle, considering South Carolina is getting very little from the country's best player — hobbled defensive end Jadeveon Clowney — and maximizing its offensive strengths of two effective quarterbacks and running back Mike Davis.

Saturday: Open

8) Auburn (3-0, 1-0)

Is Nick Marshall a savior or living on borrowed time? The jury is still out, but Marshall, who has missed more wide open Tigers than a drunk Otis Campbell on a hunting safari, continues to improve. He also showed some big-time poise in leading the Tigers down the field for a game-winning touchdown in last week's rally against Mississippi State. (Side question: Is it a new league suggestion that every team's starting QB has a last name that starts with 'M' this season?)

Saturday: at LSU, 7:45 (ESPN)

9) Arkansas (3-0, 0-0)

Do you know who is the only freshman running back in SEC history to rush for 100-plus yards in his first three college games? Nope, it's not Herschel Walker or Bo Jackson or even former Razorbacks star Darren McFadden. It's Arkansas freshman Alex Collins, who takes his historic streak and 418 rushing yards this year to Rutgers, which has the nation's leading rusher in Paul James, who has 493 yards.

Saturday: at Rutgers, 3:30 (ESPN)

10) Missouri (2-0, 0-0)

Who had Missouri as the only unbeaten SEC East team three Saturdays into the SEC? Well, no one. That perfect start is unlikely to change this week against a Hoosier team that is more Hickory Huskers than mighty South Bend Central.

Saturday: at Indiana, 8 (Big Ten Network)

11) Tennessee (2-1, 0-0)

Was last Saturday's historic beatdown because of Oregon's awesome talent or Tennessee's awesome void of talent at several spots? Yes. Yes it was. Here's hoping that Jason Witten sees Dallas receivers coach Derek Dooley in the hall of the Cowboys training facility and says, "Thanks a lot Derek, you goofball."

Saturday: at Florida, 3:30 (CBS)

12) Vanderbilt (1-2, 0-2)

Can James Franklin circle the wagons again this year? After a slow start in 2012, Vandy won nine games, including its final seven. The Commodores face a similar set of circumstances this fall, and the order may be even taller considering Georgia and Florida are still ahead and Vandy swapped Auburn for Texas A&M out of the West.

Saturday: vs. UMass, noon (ESPNews)

13) Mississippi State (1-2, 0-1)

Wow, it seems like an awfully long time ago when the Bulldogs won nine games and trounced Michigan in a New Year's Day Bowl, huh? The Bulldogs let a much-needed win at Auburn on Saturday slip through their paws. In truth, with Ole Miss rolling and the West appearing as tough as ever, Dan Mullen's stock went from "Can MSU keep him?" to "Is he on the hot seat?" pretty doggone quickly.

Saturday: vs. Troy, 7:30 (FSN)

14) Kentucky (1-2, 0-0)

Did Kentucky wreck Louisville's national-title hopes with a too-close-for-comfort 27-13 loss Saturday? Most likely not. But don't think it won't be a serious discussion point when the BCS music stops and everyone is trying to find a postseason chair.

Saturday: Open

NFL Power Poll

Two weeks in, we know more than we did, but we do not know enough. Four weeks — a quarter of the season — is when shapes form and opinions can solidify. Right now, it's theory and guesstimations.

So, let's guesstimate.

Here's the top five and the bottom five after two weeks in the (cue Jaws) NATIONAL Football League.

Top Five (with two are clearly head and shoulders above the rest)

1) Seattle — This bunch is extremely good across the board and was our Super Bowl pick to start the season because we like Russell Wilson better than we like Colin Kaepernick. So it goes. Also, know this (and this is neither theory or conjecture) the rest of the NFC is facing a weekly race for home-field advantage in the playoffs, because if the NFC postseason goes through Seattle, Seattle goes through the NFC postseason.

2) Denver — Peyton Manning was ready for the season. Nine TD passes and no picks with 769 passing yards in two games... not too shabby.

3) New England — Spy and the 5-at-10 are higher on the Pats than most, but this is a team finding ways to win with below-average offensive skill people other than a Hall of Fame QB right now. When the pieces return, the Patriots will not only be better, but the kids trying to make plays right now will be more experienced. That said, Tom Brady was acting more like Bobby Brady screaming at his teammates last week. C'mon man, be better than that.

4) San Francisco — Yes, they are 1-1 and got drubbed by Seattle. But they will not be the only team that strolls in Coffee Town and gets kicked in the beans. Yep, no filters on that joke. Let it brew... this bit is going to pot.

5) Kansas City — Thursday will be super interesting for a lot of reasons as Andy Reid and the Chiefs visit Philadelphia. Still, with some really talented parts, Reid pulling the strings and Alex Smith looking competent — and a schedule that offers more cupcakes than a first-graders birthday gala — the Chiefs will be a regular visitor among the top teams in the league this year.

Bottom five

28) Carolina — Not all 0-2s are created equally. The difference between bagel-and-2 and 2-and-bagel for the Panthers is seven total points. But this is the norm for these Panthers, who have lost 10 times when it lead in the fourth quarter since the start of the 2011 season. OUCH-standing.

29) Pittsburgh — Yes, here is the outlier. The team team that is way more comfortable in the top five than the bottom five. Well, say hello to the parity-craving NFL, with its offset schedules and salary caps and the rest. When playmakers leave and their replacements get banged up, you get a Steelers team that has scored one meaningful TD in two games. Other than Ben Roethlisberger, who is a Pittsburgh offensive player that would worry an opponent?

30) Washington — Again, not all 0-2s are created equally. The Redskins are minus-24 in total point differential, which is not good. They are even worse in the first half through two weeks, trailing by an average of 27-3.5 at the half.

31) Cleveland — How valuable is the NFL. Cleveland stinks on toast, and they still cost Whoshisboots Haslam (not the governor who looks a lot like Dana Carvey, the other one) a billion bucks.

32) Jacksonville — Yes, the local CBS affiliate apologized to the Jacksonville area watchers for showing the Jags-Raiders on Sunday. We'll ask this: Would you have accepted their apology?

33) Jacksonville Tebow supporters — The Jaguars are the worst team in the league and are quarterbacked by a Blaine. Still about a dozen folks turned out for the "Sign Tebow" party this week. While their logic is pretty sound — "Why not" read one sign; "What could it hurt" read another — it's still an underwhelming showing for a hometown hero for the local team that currently has a Blaine as its starting QB.

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    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates continues at the top of the Forbes list of richest Americans.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Richest in the world

Forbes released its 400 richest people in the world Monday, and the numbers are staggering.

Bill Gates is the world's wealthiest person with a fortune measured at $72 billion — yes Billion with a 'B' folks.

There are 32 sports owners on the Forbes 400, led by Paul Allen, the owner of the Seahawks and the Portland Trailblazers and the co-founder of Microsoft with Gates and is the 26th richest American with $15.8 billion.

The numbers are staggering, and can be detailed more in depth here.

Stuff like the Walmart Waltons have spots 6 through 9 on the list. Good night John Boy.

And thos: Warren Buffett, who is second behind Gates at more than $58 billion, made more than $12 billion last year. Considering there are roughly 2,000 work hours in the year, Buffett made roughly $6 million an hour. So, as mind boggling as that is, Buffett made roughly $100,000 per second of the work day in 2012. So if Buffett was in his office and saw a $50,000 check on the floor, it was not worth his time to pick it up. E-gads.

Also of note, magazine stories have been bad news in September for Oklahoma State. After the SI stories of corruption and NCAA violations of last week, Forbes tells us that T. Boone Pickens is no longer a billionaire after losing more money than the rest of us will ever see in wind energy ventures.

Conversely, Nike founder and Oregon benefactor Phil Knight is more more than $16 billion. It's good to be a Duck right now, no?

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This and that

— Apparently SNL is still on the air. Who knew? We can confirm this because they have added six new cast members, including Beck Bennett, who is the guy on the 'It's not complicated' AT&T commercials with the table full of kindergarten kids asking them questions. It's the largest cast overhaul in number since 1995 when Will Ferrell, Darrell McDonald and several others were added. This show has jumped the shark — a while back in fact — but no one this side of Jason Voorhees in show business has comeback from the dead more than SNL and Lorne Michaels.

— The Atlanta Braves will play a day-night doubleheader today against the Nationals after Monday's game was postponed after the shooting at the Navy. More on this in a moment. A sweep would mean the Braves clinch the NL East.

— Exceptionally fast start for one Mr. Keon Williams at UTC. Williams has earned back-to-back SoCon offensive player of the week honors.

— Speaking at Marquette University on Monday, NCAA president Mark Emmert admitted the structure of college sports could be very different very soon. Paying players, however, is not an option according to Emmert. "One thing that sets the fundamental tone is there's very few members and, virtually no university president, that thinks it's a good idea to convert student-athletes into paid employees. Literally into professionals," Emmert said. "Then you have something very different from collegiate athletics. One of the guiding principles (of the NCAA) has been that this is about students who play sports." He also opened up the idea that the draft — we love the draft; you know this — for the NBA and the NFL may have to look at MLB's multiple option model for prospective entries. "It's a dynamic tension that we really need to work on because it's at heart of part of what (we're) talking about here," he said. "Why would we want to force someone to go to school when they really don't want to be there? But if you're going to come to us, you're going to be a student."

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Today's question(s)

We are now caught up on Breaking Bad, and if you have not watched it, well that's on you.

We frequently ask about TV shows around these parts — and the SNL item above opens it self up for a slew of opinion — but what is your Rushmore of favorite/best TV shows ever? You know the ones that as you were watching, you could not wait until the next week's episode. There was a time when SNL was eagerly anticipated. Not so

Here's our Rushmore of the best TV shows: Breaking Bad, The Wire, Sopranos and maybe the Simpsons. (We're still debating that last one. And we just noticed that none of them were shows on ABC, CBS or NBC. Amazing.)

Or

As a tribute to Col. Nathan R. Jessup in the intro, what's the Rushmore of Jack Nicholson performances? Dude has a nice top-end list of Easy Rider, Shining, One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, Chinatown, Good as it Gets, The Departed, Few Good Men, Batman, et al.

Thoughts?

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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jomo11 said...

I actually heard a Vols fan blame Derek Dooley on the crisis in Syria today . . . . .a serious question ? How many years will Butch Jones get where Vol fans will blame losses on Dooley ?.. . but hey, The Vols only got 4 penalities in the Oregon game, that really shows Butch Jones is turning this thing around . . . .Butch Jones will get longer honeymoons than Hugh Hefner

September 17, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Jomo —

The restocking of the cupboard will take at least a couple of years. You know that, no matter how much joy you take from the Vols struggles.

More to come...

September 17, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Jaymeister,

Before I get started on counterpoint this morning on the 5 at 10, I want to throw in some two cents on the columns.

Paschall's article:

I find it really weird in a "It's a small world after all" way reading about Georgia playing a school I'm all but 40 minutes from. As I've addressed in the past, UNT is the UTC of college football around these here parts. However, they have improved compared to years past. Unfortunately, going to see them live is something of a financial dilemma. Somehow being in Conference USA is justification for charging "SEC prices" on general admission tickets. I only have a handful of friends here and one of them is a UNT alumn who happens to be a co-worker promoted to an executive position. She stated on her wall via Facebook (paraphrasing here) I'm not paying $50+ general admission. They're not playing Texas or TCU, OSU, etc.

On a side note, I remember when WFAA announced Rick Hart as the SMU AD and seeing footage of the Mocs at Finley. ^_^ However, I wrote an angry email to them after the Darrell Patterson of that station after they mispronounced Chattanooga.

ANYWAY, moving on.

Liked Frierson's piece on DB's four year plan. I believe 10% is reasonable. However, as Huesman learned in week 1, hype can only hold a program up so high. Don't get me wrong, Wade is definitely loaded for bear regarding his line-up AND his coaching staff. They just need to actually start winning which will hopefully evolve into a more sexy schedule like the women have (no pun intended) which will equal more butts in the seats.

"The football team has played two games at Finley Stadium this season and has averaged a little more than 10,000 a game"

BALONEY! I watched those games online. The defense rests.

"There is already limited beer sales in the stadium club at Finley, and the subject of widespread beer sales at the stadium is something Blackburn already has heard a lot about from fans."

I'm no teetotaller, but unless they sell beer at Neyland widespread, I'm not buying this. I love my Mocs; the 5 & 10 knows this, MT knows this, Stewwie knows this, etc. However, I find this really hard to be the dealbreaker with alumni or the community. Even if DB allowed beer OR put a UTC-themed Jocks-n-Jills on the South End of Finley Stadium, we're not going to get more butts in the seats unless the product is better on a consistant basis.

Next post will be stuff regarding the 5 @ 10.

September 17, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
chas9 said...

Bama Jean would chant "Jay Barker, Jay Barker, Jay Barker," to which I would say "You can call me A. J., or you can call me Amazing J."

No, LS&U won't be tested. Sorry.

If The Mean Green ever met The Green Wave in a dark alley, who'd get bloodied?

Knowing there's a Johnny Cam begs the question: Is there a Cam Cam?

Patrick's Friday preview of the UT-Oregon game was fair and balanced, but I couldn't help chuckling yesterday when I glimpsed that particular fishwrapper and saw proclaimed at a jaunty angle in bold white on black these immortal words: Vols' safeties believe they have angles for Oregon's speed.

Former Vol Todd Helton will hang it up a the end of this season, it's been announced. Is Cooperstown in his future?

Helton is the only player in major league history with at least 2,270 hits, 1,280 runs, 530 doubles, 330 homers, 1,250 RBI and 1,200 walks before playing in his 2,000th game. He also is one of only two players in history with at least 2,500 hits, 550 doubles, 350 homers and higher than a .315 career average (.317). The other? Stan Musial. Lifetime on-base percentage? .415.

Here are some more eye-opening baseball numbers. Buster Olney of ESPN posted how many players the Yankees have played per position in 2013: First base: 10; Second base: 8; Third base: 11; Shortstop: 8; Left field: 9; Center field: 4; Right field: 10; Catcher: 4; Designated Hitter: 18. Compared to that, The Bravos have been fit as a fiddle.

September 17, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
chas9 said...

I still believe UK has two quarterbacks better than Worley. Butch Jones may think so, too, according to Patrick's story today. I know the old saw that if you have two QB's you have no QB's, but Spurrier makes it work.

September 17, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

I think the Royals deserve some credit and some love. They are only 2.5 games out of the final wild card spot, are tied with the Yankees, a half game behind the Orioles, and only two games behind Cleveland, who they have two games with this week before playing Texas (who they trail by 2.5 games) for three. If they win all five games this week, they will be no worse than a half game behind the Orioles and Rangers for the wild card and tied with Cleveland and the Yankees for the second wild card. Of course, win all five, and they are likely in the wild card lead, because odds are, some of those teams lose a game somewhere else. I warned you this spring that the Royals would be a solid team and make a run at the playoffs, because they were young but improving. It's happened. They need to just win three more games to have a winning record, which is a huge step for them. I'm pulling for them and the Rays to get the AL Wildcards, since those are my two favorite AL teams. Just remember- I was on the Royals bandwagon before it was cool to be on the Royals bandwagon. I told you this spring that they were a team I had picked a couple of years ago because you could tell they were coming, and I wanted to be on the bandwagon before they were good. After about one more year of losing than I expected, here they are.....

Also, SNL has a funny opening sometimes, and then Weekend Update is good. Other than that, it's not worth watching. I try to catch both each week, but don't sometimes. Haven't seen any of the new season, if it's even started yet.

September 17, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

NFL bottom five:

I find it truly a sad day in the "oh how the mighty have fallen" when the CBS affilate in Jacksonville "apologized" for showing their hometown team over the Manning Bowl. My Aunt Nancy, who is as close to a "second mom" as can be imagined, has lived in St. Augustine (the "Cleveland" [TN] of Jacksonville) since I was three and family vacations/Christmases would sometime revolve around time spent with her and uncle/BF no. 2, 4, 8 (lost count).

ANYWAY....

When Jacksonville entered the NFL in 1995, the city was a a-wash in emerald green, grey, gold, and white. You couldn't walk two blocks on Jacksonville Landing (their "Aquarium District" if you will) without running into someone where something Jags related. I even got to go to two home games (Christmas presents from said aunt). But of course this was back when Brunell was still QB, Cothorn was still coach, Natron Means was traded from San Diego and was the Keon Williams of the backs, and so on

September 17, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Rushmore:

As much as I "want" to direct myself towards "live action" programs, most of the ones I watched were sitcoms (and bad ones at that). Anytime I "tried" to invest in watching something dramatic, it was usually cancelled either halfway in the first season or at the end of the first season (Think Chicago Code). However, I'm going to do two based on personal experience. One live-action/one animated.

Live Action: Justified (F/X), Star Trek: The Next Generation* (syndication) Saturday Night Live (NBC) during the "second golden age" from 1986-1997-ish, The Wonder Years (ABC).

*Nothing against the original, or Voyager, and DS9, but if there was ever a Sci-Fi show in my lifetime that generated debate and discussion among my JROTC Ranger Team on long road trips to competitions, that was it. Every Saturday, 7 PM, back bedroom TV.

Animated:

Batman: The Animated Series. Loosely based on the original Tim Burton version, it became the game-changer in regards to showing domestic animation in a more serious tone then the "Saturday Morning" stereotype that was still prevalent at the time. Never missed a single episode in high school and followed it when it moved to the now defunct WB network.

Avatar: The Last Airbender/Legand of Korra. While Nickelodeon makes all their income off of that really stupid Spongbob, this is BY FAR the best series to ever air on this channel. The original series (especially seasons 1 + 2) can have moments of 10 year old humor BUT, they do make a balance of sophitication in storytelling that makes the series enjoyable regardless of your age. Legand of Korra definitely is for older people and probably the one show I've looked forward to season 2 coming out.

ExoSquad: This is a "dark horse" series as it's "intention" was mainly to sell toys and video games. However, like Batman, it was a game changer. It was one of the first I saw in high school that had story archs, had people ACTUALLY killed in combat, and it also served as a backdrop the issue regarding man's hand in creation and the consequences The series focused on humans battling artifical humanoids called Neo-sapians as they not only took over our world but our colonies on Mars and Venus)

Voltron (Go Lion version): 'Nough said.

September 17, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
jgreeson said...

JMC —

Nice rant on the Mocs and Finley. Well-played.

And we were a Chicago Code follower, too. Sad that one bit the dust.

Natrone Means? Wow, that's a name we did not expect to hear this month.

9er —

If North Texas and Tulane squared off, not sure who'd get the bloodiest, but the blood would run Green. (And their favorite holiday would have to be St. Paddie's Day, right?)

No Cam Cam, but there was Cammy Cam juice and that was bad enough.

Those Yankees stats are silly, and we'll need a little more time on Helton. We're still pondering that.

Stuck —

If the Royals and the Pirates met in the World Series it would be hilarious.

And ignored.

September 17, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Speaking of rich folks and bad football teams...When the federal investigation into Pilot Flying J began, a columnist with the Cleveland Plain Dealer wrote that Jimmy Haslam recently purchased the Cleveland Browns for one-billion dollars and surmised that this fact was a rock solid foundation for an insanity plea. If you're a fan of Cleveland's pro teams, it helps to have a sense of humor.

Speaking of fans in certain cities...How confused must the people in Pittsburgh be right now? The Pirates are good while the Steelers are struggling.

Speaking of struggling teams...I posted a few days ago in this very forum that I believed the Jaguars should sign Tebow. It would boost fan interest in Jacksonville and perhaps breathe life into a franchise that is flat-lining. After seeing the clips of that pro-Timmy rally, which seemed to be comprised of a couple of true believers and some other folks that just happened to be hanging around and agreed to hold a sign for the cameras, it doesn't appear that even Tebow has enough juice in North Florida to help the Jags. Next option, take that franchise out behind the barn and put it down. It's the merciful thing to do.

September 17, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Saturday Night Live is still on?

September 17, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, 5, 5, 5 ...

"Jeff Scott, the 5-foot-8 speedster that rushed for more than 160"

Jeff Scott is not the 5-foot-8 speedster that. Jeff Scott is the 5-foot-8 speedster who.

Tell me the great Ron Bush is not having a conniption right now.

TV Rushmore:

Cheers.

I'll take Law and Order.

Never did see The Wire, but I will concur on The Sopranos.

And as much as I like Breaking Bad, I will take Mad Men in an upset over Charmed. I mean, c'mon, an all growed up Alyssa Milano. How can that not be on the Rushmore?

September 17, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
sportsfan said...

Jay - Let's change it up this Friday. If you could change one rule in college football, the NFL, and major league baseball, what would it be in each? In college, if I wasn't in front of a cheap pitcher of cocola, I tried not to miss Late Night with David Letterman (NBC not CBS). Stupid pet tricks, stupid human tricks, top ten, dropping stuff off buildings...what more could a poor college student want for his entertainment dollar? As you know, I'm older than I look.

September 17, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
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