published Friday, April 18th, 2014

The Reenactment

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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caddy said...

ALL the Principles of Science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent or contrive principles; he can only discover them, and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author. Thomas Paine

April 18, 2014 at 12:11 a.m.
caddy said...

No God, no rights. What the state gives, the State can take away. "The Story of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing." I Corithians 1:18

April 18, 2014 at 12:12 a.m.
caddy said...

"Those who do not accept a God who stands outside of 'natural' processes have no more reason for their faith than Christians who believe that Jesus rose on the Third Day or Jews who believe God made them His Chosen people. Many people have a sort of vague idea that one day science will reveal everything, but that rests upon a number of assumptions essentially taken on Faith, among them that there is a natural world independent of the mind that purports to observe it and that that universe is ultimately reducible to laws the mind can discover." Robert Bork, "Idols of Distruction" Herbert Schlossberg

April 18, 2014 at 12:28 a.m.

Figures Bennett would toss this out on Good Friday/Easter Weekend in the buckle of the Bible belt. No respect for Christians.

Let's see if he would have the balls to do the same sort of thing on a Muslim Holy Day. I doubt it because Christians are an easy target.

April 18, 2014 at 12:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Shameful, Bennett. And shame on TFP for allowing it.

April 18, 2014 at 12:38 a.m.

Big man taking pot shots at Christians on this weekend. He thinks he's being controversial, but really he's just a-hole who has no respect for a community that is overwhelmingly Christian, and timed it for the holiest time of the year.

April 18, 2014 at 12:48 a.m.

It absolutely mocks Christianity at it's core. Unbelievable.

April 18, 2014 at 12:50 a.m.

Mocking Christ's burden with the cross on Good Friday. What do you expect from someone who worships the Easter Bunny.

April 18, 2014 at 1:03 a.m.
alprova said...

I would LOVE for someone to explain to me how the above cartoon is in any manner taking a potshot at Christians.

Christians view the cross as a cherished symbol of atonement, forgiveness, grace, and love.

Romans forced convicted criminals to carry their own crosses to the place of crucifixion.

Matthew 16:24 - *"Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me."

Seems to me that the above Scientist is taking up his cross and following the Lord.

What could possibly be offending about that?

Some of you are of the false belief that Science and Religion do not mix, and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Science and Religion actually go hand in hand quite often.

Science has gone a long way to prove that parts of the Bible represent something real...like the fact that Jesus was real.

Christian bashing you say? I think not. But that isn't going to stop some of you from crying foul all day long.

Waaaaaaah!! Waaaaaahh!! Waaaaaaaah!!

April 18, 2014 at 1:06 a.m.

Yeah, the Scientist is taking up the cross and following the Lord, that's what it is. I'm sure that's what Bennett intended.

More like the cross, which represents Christianity, of course, is a burden to science. That's what I see.

I'm hitting the sack.

April 18, 2014 at 1:12 a.m.

By the way, I do believe science and Christianity can go hand in hand. I believe Science is a gift from good. But, this cartoon, and the timing of it, is no accident.

April 18, 2014 at 1:21 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Caddy, since you chose Thomas Paine in an attempt to validate your stance (immediately followed by a passage from 1st Cor.), let's remember Paine's remarks on Christianity (and other religions):

"The opinions I have advanced ... are the effect of the most clear and long-established conviction that the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation, by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism,"

April 18, 2014 at 6:32 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Science needn't be thwarted by religion, but religious folk so often try to make that so. Galileo had "a cross to bear" in pursuit of science when the Catholic Church prosecuted him for writing that Earth was not the center of the universe. It took the Church about 400 years to apologize for punishing Galileo. Some "modern" religions are on a par with that old punitive ignorance. So, I think Clay got it right.

April 18, 2014 at 7:54 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Of course science and religion are comparable, until some insist on a literal interpretation of scripture in the face of overwhelming evidence that it isn't accurate. Most Christians understand the Bible well enough to know that Genesis was a collection of oral mythologies that were important to the history of Judaism. The earth is indeed ancient and we evolved along with the rest of the living world over hundreds of millions of years. There was never a global flood, but Noah's tale was rooted in a real deluge and chronicled by the Sumerians in the epic of Gilgamesh.

Religious and philosophical discussions are essential for the proper use of the science we discover. They are also important to understanding the nature of being human, beyond being simply a primate with an extraordinary brain Science can only explain so much. Philosophy, literature, the arts, these allow us to explore what it means to be human.

April 18, 2014 at 7:59 a.m.
caddy said...

Paine knows the True Truth now.

April 18, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.
caddy said...

It is true, there is a light of reason, which is imparted to every man by nature, but this light is darkness compared with the saints', as the night is dark to the day, even when the moon is in its full glory. This night-light of reason may save a person from some ditch or pond--great and broad sins--but it will never help him to escape the more secret corruptions, which the saint sees like atoms in the beams of spiritual knowledge. There is such curious work the creature is to do, which cannot be wrought by candle-light of natural knowledge. William Gurnall, p. 47. The Christian in Complete Armor.

April 18, 2014 at 8:05 a.m.

Brilliant, Clay!

Now if the scientist will drop that tortuous burden of fundamentalism at the recycling center where those imaginary literal 'truths' will become compost for a new growth of ideas not needing the deadwood of dogma, creeds, articles of faith, and superstitions.

April 18, 2014 at 8:12 a.m.
LibDem said...

Once again, it's time for Christians to celebrate the brutal torture and execution that is the foundation of their religion. Would that they had selected something a little more cheerful.

April 18, 2014 at 8:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The toon is insulting to Christians. Surprised Bennett would take this shot near Easter. Speaks volumes.

April 18, 2014 at 9:08 a.m.

The only time these extremist fundamentalists are cheerful is when they're beating you with their cross to show you their god's great love.

An excellent article by Chuck Hamilton appeared yesterday on chattanooga.com about the historical use of crucifiction.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2014/4/17/274557/Chuck-Hamilton-The-Crucifixion-Of-Jesus.aspx

But I don't think the cross-slingers on this forum will read it as it uses historical evidence rather than fanciful dogma and superstitions.

April 18, 2014 at 9:08 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ikeithlu 7:59: So lu, you would agree then, that the toon is insulting to millions, yes?

April 18, 2014 at 9:11 a.m.
alprova said...

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why this cartoon is insulting Christians...

April 18, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

All toons are insulting to one group or another. But this one is pretty mild, and would only be insulting to a Christian who has already bought the persecution myth.

April 18, 2014 at 9:19 a.m.
LibDem said...

Sometimes you have to seek desperately for an opportunity to be offended. It's part of the pretense of being a beleaguered minority.

April 18, 2014 at 9:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

disappointed in you, lu.

April 18, 2014 at 9:25 a.m.
librul said...

Either he's just a scientist who's been out gathering firewood or Clay turned the cross around by mistake so we couldn't see the "Ignorance" label. The ignorance of religionists has always been the cross which human progress through science has had to bear.

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“Faith and knowledge are related as the two scales of balance; when the one goes up, the other goes down. . . . The power of religious dogma, when inculcated early, is such as to stifle conscience, compassion, and finally every feeling of humanity. . . . For, as you know, religions are like glow worms; they shine only when it's dark. A certain amount of ignorance is the condition of all religions, the element in which alone they can exist. ” -- Arthur Shopenhauer

April 18, 2014 at 9:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry to hear, but that's what I think. I won't lie to impress or please anyone. Some people really are looking to be offended no matter what, and everything is a sacred cow to someone. But considering some of the memes I see on facebook , this is really nothing. Doesn't mean Clay won't get a ton of hate mail for it, though. It's gonna have some panties in a twist.

April 18, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
alprova said...

I find it hilarious that two of the most offensive posters in this forum, are offended, complete with faux outrage.

LMAO!!!

WHAT IS OFFENSIVE ABOUT THIS CARTOON?

Can either one of you explain ANYTHING when asked to?

April 18, 2014 at 9:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpoo, no one owes you an explanation on anything. You've got a set claiming others are offensive, while you remain the living colostomy bag.

April 18, 2014 at 9:41 a.m.
Reardon said...

Al:

An interpretation from an atheist (me).

Read the title of the cartoon.

"A RE-Enactment."

Bennett substitutes the deity for a Scientist.

That should be enough to quantify a Christian's frustration.

And, besides, does the TFP keep Bennett for his depth of introspective, thoughtful works, or for his ability to stoke madness in the hearts of Conservative Christians (and increase web hits and newspaper circulation)?

April 18, 2014 at 9:50 a.m.
alprova said...

But of course Mr. Bankruptcy. Your response could never be offensive to anyone, could it?

Thank you so much for making my point better than I ever could begin to make it.

April 18, 2014 at 9:51 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ Anytime Liar-in-chief. Go on back to the sales shack and rip off some locals.

April 18, 2014 at 9:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I think it is a good question, though. Why are you offended by this cartoon? Just curious.

April 18, 2014 at 9:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

It is clearly a jab at Christians. At Easter. Don't be coy and act like you can't see it. Why would he do it?

April 18, 2014 at 10:01 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

If I were a Christian I'd be far more offended at the deluge of easter bunnies and colored eggs that have been on the store shelves since...January. But since we all grew up with I it we don't see it as offensive. If you stop and think about it though...

April 18, 2014 at 10:04 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well Lu, it ain't about Easter Bunnies and eggs, is it?

April 18, 2014 at 10:09 a.m.
LibDem said...

"...a jab at Christians..." Now I understand. I had to look back at zableedofisterix' comments to remember how sensitive these little guys are.

April 18, 2014 at 10:21 a.m.
limric said...

Quite the imaginative juxtaposition of religion (Christianity in this case) and science.

Well done Mr. Bennett

April 18, 2014 at 10:24 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You missed my point entirely.

April 18, 2014 at 10:31 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Will Bennett display a toon about Ramadan? Jewish Passover? He won't. (and shouldn't) Wonder why not?

April 18, 2014 at 10:55 a.m.

The cartoon is science, represented by a scientist, with his tongue sticking up, struggling to carry/drag the the cross. So, what's the point of it? Why is it drawn on Easter weekend?

PT. exactly right.

Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I minimize science. In my opinion Christians who put down scientific achievement are being ridiculous. But, this cartoon has no other purpose than to ridicule Christians on Easter.

April 18, 2014 at 11:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Zab, Christians I know have no problem with science. But that doesn't fit the narrative of the Left or the atheists.

April 18, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.
conservative said...

I know enough about Mr. Bennett to be confident that he believes that Christians just refuse to accept a "science" that he believes refutes the Bible and Christianity.

God is the author of all truth. True scientists just discover and prove the word of God.

The fact is no "scientists" has, nor ever will, refute the word of God!

April 18, 2014 at 11:09 a.m.
conservative said...

The pseudo scientist has a burden he can't carry, the burden of his sin.

He imagines he can rid himself of his guilt and God through science but the more he discovers the more he realizes that it is an insurmountable burden.

All have sinned and the wages of sin is death!

The perfect and Holy God, creator of heaven and earth became man. He lived a perfect and sinless life and bore the penalty of death that His law demanded for sin.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:5 KJV

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe Galatians 3:22 KJV

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV

April 18, 2014 at 11:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Still awaiting a Lefty or atheist to condemn the toon.....

April 18, 2014 at 11:49 a.m.
limric said...

Does this cartoon by Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard offend anyone? If not, why not?

http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Muhammed-Westergaard.jpg

Or does this one equaly offend anyone? Done by a familiar Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist.

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/h/U/4/Busted-Science.jpg

Ikeithlu sums it up correctly, ”All toons are insulting to one group or another, and would only be insulting to a Christian who has already bought the persecution myth.”

Misplaced pretentious sensitivities.

April 18, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.

PT, right. I don't know any either, actually.

April 18, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.

Mr. Conservative, so the contradictions in the Bible are true? All the supposed events actually took place? The earth is just 6000 years old?

Wow! No wonder people are leaving Christian fundamentalism for reality, science, and reason.

April 18, 2014 at 11:55 a.m.

That cartoon, limric, is offensive as well.

It would be even more offensive if it were released on a Muslim holy day.

Ikeithlu is not correct.

"persecution myth"?

Bennett purposely chose Good Friday/Easter to draw this. That changes it.

April 18, 2014 at 11:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Not in my opinion. Which I have just as much right to as you.

April 18, 2014 at 12:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Don't forget: it's a flippin' cartoon. Don't like it? Don't read it. I don't find most conservative cartoons funny, but I defend anyone's right to publish them. You have the right to be offended. Some will be offended. So what. Since American Christians are not persecuted for their beliefs, I find their being offended silly and pointless. And I am allowed to say so. And you are allowed to be offended by my saying so. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass.

April 18, 2014 at 12:17 p.m.

Yes, you do. But the timing of it is indisputable.

April 18, 2014 at 12:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu is getting shrill and emotional. lol

April 18, 2014 at 12:27 p.m.

You find it silly that a Christian would be offended by this cartoon, well, I find it ridiculous that Muslims would riot and kill over the cartoon that limiric linked to, which they did, I believe.

I guess Bennett wouldn't poke fun at Muslims on one of their holy days because he doesn't have the stones to do it. How about a cartoon ridiculing Islam for their treatment of women and homosexuals? Time that for Ramadan.

April 18, 2014 at 12:42 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I would have no problem with cartoons mocking any religion.

April 18, 2014 at 12:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

lu, and therein lies the difference. so be it.

April 18, 2014 at 12:58 p.m.
aae1049 said...

Anything for a buck, right Clay Bennett. Afterall, it is expensive to segregate yourself from all that you advocate for high atop the whitest most segregated Mountain.

I would think that Southern Poverty Law should add the majority of the posters here to their hate group list for taking shots at Christians. In fact, you Clay Bennett and followers are engaging in extraordinary lack of tolerance in freedom of religion by attacking Christian faith on Good Friday.

Marginalizing the faith and religion of others is hate language any way you dice it. Some of posts above would qualify as hate language against Christians.

Finally as an engineer, liberal arts nuts like Clay Bennett should not make references to the profession of sciences, ie medical, chemist, biologist, or engineering. Every medical Dr., nurse I have ever known on the front line of life and death knows that a higher authority is driving the outcomes. Science cannot explain miracles that occur daily in medicine. Faith and science largely coexist.

April 18, 2014 at 1 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Exactly, PT. To a nonbeliever, religions are on equal footing and not exempt from criticism or even ridicule in a society that champions free speech. Would I mock religions myself? I choose not to.

April 18, 2014 at 1:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Please understand that this is not the same as tolerating discrimination based on religion. I do not approve of that. But Christians are not discriminated against in this country. Gradually the minority religions are seeing less and less discrimination too as laws and the population become more progressive in this area.

April 18, 2014 at 1:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu says"But Christians are not discriminated against in this country. Gradually the minority religions are seeing less and less discrimination too as laws and the population become more progressive in this area." You coulda fooled me, Lu

April 18, 2014 at 1:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Give me an example of discrimination against Christians. And no, a political cartoon is not an example.

April 18, 2014 at 1:20 p.m.

I did not realize until now that Mr. Conservative is married to Ms. aae1049.

Ms. aae1049 speaks of free speech as a hate crime. Not agreeing to her party-line as worthy of legal prosecution.

Ms. aae1049, your group of friends will be rallying at the courthouse next weekend. A perfect place and time for you and the Tee-Hee Party to take your clipboards to get signatures to remove Councilman Anderson.

Just curious, who wears the jackboots in your family?

April 18, 2014 at 1:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

allahs littlebro: I see nothing in aae1049's post that should prompt your adolescent rejoinder.

Lu, I would say a cartoon CAN BE discrimination. Were Clay to bash feminism, leftism, liberalism, etc, you would be on fire. Totally amazed at your narrow mindedness.

April 18, 2014 at 1:37 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nope. I like Clay's cartoons because he and I have similar views. I don't like some cartoonists because I don't share their views. Cartoonists have the right to make ANY topic the subject of their cartoon, and their publishers must decide if the cartoonist is an asset or a liability.

I noticed you can't show me an example of Christians experiencing discrimination.

April 18, 2014 at 1:43 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And I would never call for a cartoonist to be censored. Never. Believe me, there are cartoonists out there that are way too offensive for a newspaper. And they have every right to put their work out. If it is extreme enough, they may have to pay for it themselves.

April 18, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

They will, including Clay, be ready to receive criticism for their cartoons. I also have no problem with that.

April 18, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Awww... so the Christians and Christian hand holders are offended by Clay's 'toon? Well, cry me a river. How offensive is it to the rest of us when these fundamentalist blowhards are constantly pointing their fingers at those they deem sinners, based on whatever Biblical laws they have cherry-picked?

And how offensive is it when they prevent us from working together to solve some very real problems and instead waste our time in silly debate over things that should have been settled a long time ago? The Bible is NOT History, The earth is NOT 6000 years old, creationism is NOT science, gays are NOT sinners who CHOOSE their sexual orientation, contraception is NOT a sin and is not the equivalent of abortion, and America has NOT been favored by God and we are no more "exceptional" than any other nation.

You fundies keep your Dark Ages superstitions and your bigotry and your hate (masquerading as righteousness) to your yourselves and stay out of our politics and our schools and other areas of our public lives and we will stop needing cartoons like this to "offend" you. In the meantime, suck it up and deal with it.

Great 'toon, Clay! Job well done.

April 18, 2014 at 1:53 p.m.
alprova said...

pt sniffled: "Still awaiting a Lefty or atheist to condemn the toon....."

What? And spoil your faux outrage?

You silly Twitterdumdum.

April 18, 2014 at 2:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo, Excepting one, I haven't seen any "fundamentalists" Christians on here. You guys, especially you, paint with a roller.

Lu, school prayer, in God we trust, crosses on mountains, and on and on.

April 18, 2014 at 2:05 p.m.
alprova said...

pt said with a limp wrist: "lu, and therein lies the difference. so be it."

Yet here you are, day in and day out, 16 hours a day in fact, supporting the man who publishes his fine works of art.

Thou hypocrite!!

April 18, 2014 at 2:08 p.m.
LibDem said...

We will spend a quiet evening at home tonight watching "The Life of Brian."

April 18, 2014 at 2:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Glad you track me, Alpy. But aren't you missing sales to the innocent? Surely your time would be better spent buying bondo, resins, and thick motor oil. You're an utter fraud, moonface.

April 18, 2014 at 2:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo barfs "pt said with a limp wrist: "lu, and therein lies the difference. so be it."

a man in your shoe shouldn't be saying anything about limp, pal.

April 18, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Alprova, you couldn't be more wrong in your interpretation of this cartoon. The scientist has not willingly chosen the cross; rather it is a burden all scientists are having to bear - to endure the stubborn wrath of fundamentalist simpletons whose blind faith makes them scornful of even the most basic of scientific truths. Religion and science have always been in conflict but it's amazing and sad that, to be as far removed as we are from the ignorance of the Dark Ages, so many people still cling to superstition and look upon reason, intelligence, and science as the work of "the devil."

April 18, 2014 at 2:20 p.m.

"LibDem said... We will spend a quiet evening at home tonight watching "The Life of Brian."

Thanks for reminding me about "Brian" as years ago some movie theaters wouldn't show it as it was considered blasphemous. I'll rent it.

We will be watching "Cosmos" with Mr. Tyson.

Imagine! Fun, laughter, and science without need for imaginary gods and closed-minded fundamentalists. Pass the hummus and pita chips, popcorn, and chocolate Easter bunnies,

April 18, 2014 at 2:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo pulls out of his dark-place. ".. rather it is a burden all scientists are having to bear - to endure the stubborn wrath of fundamentalist simpletons whose blind faith makes them scornful of even the most basic of scientific truths." Really Roo? Post us a scientist being overburdened by religion.

April 18, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Roo, Excepting one, I haven't seen any "fundamentalists" Christians on here. You guys, especially you, paint with a roller." - PT

PT, I was also addressing the Christian sympathizers and there are plenty of those here. If you are whining about how offensive this cartoon is to Christians, then you are a sympathizer. You obviously have a serious problem with reading comprehension, don't you, PT? Either that or you just can't help yourself - you gotta spew out your nonsense without really thinking.

There are all manner and degree of Christians. Those Christians who have the good sense to realize that the Bible is not history and is not intended to be the inerrant word of God likewise have no problem with accepting the findings of science. Those Christians will not be offended by this cartoon but will most likely agree with it. The only ones who will feel offended by it are the fundies and they well deserve a hefty dose of criticism. And if you feel offended for them, well, that's only because your disdain for Clay and lefties and outspoken atheists in general is greater than your disdain for them.

April 18, 2014 at 2:34 p.m.
una61 said...

The PBS program "Your Inner Fish" about human evolution was interesting as well as the Showtime program "The Years of Living Dangerously" about climate warming. Sometimes irrational religion can interfere with the practice of rational science.

April 18, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Really Roo? Post us a scientist being overburdened by religion." - PT

Yes, it is indeed a burden to scientists....as it is to all reasonable, thinking adults. There are many issues that should have been settled a long time ago, like anthropogenic global warming, evolution, the timeline of the earth and the universe, but scientists have to deal with the obstacle of a large, vocal, activist group of small minded religionists, as well as corporate obstructionists, and it makes it so much harder to get the truth out and to deal with our problems with the focused attention that those problems deserve. That is a HUGE burden.

April 18, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your examples are not of discrimination. Asking the majority to stay behind the wall separating church and state is not discrimination. Here's a test: if Islam becomes the majority, would you want them to impose prayer in schools? Use taxpayer money to erect monuments to that religion?

Change our money to say in Allah we trust. Let's see how well that goes over.

April 18, 2014 at 2:47 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Glad you track me, Alpy."

What's to track? You post five times and hour, 16 hours a day, and it is usually one of those caustic comments.

"But aren't you missing sales to the innocent? Surely your time would be better spent buying bondo, resins, and thick motor oil."

You are soooo behind the times and your comments regarding used car salesmen are offensive.

"You're an utter fraud, moonface."

No Sir...and I'm not bankrupt like you.

April 18, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.
alprova said...

pt shot back with: "a man in your shoe shouldn't be saying anything about limp, pal."

Oh me, oh my...you really know how to hurt someone with those caustic comments, don't you?

LMAO!!!

April 18, 2014 at 2:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Rickaroo...I stand corrected.

Good job!!!

April 18, 2014 at 2:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Many of my children's grade school teachers were of church of Christ persuasion. They teach that only members of that church go to heaven. I sure as hell did not want them teaching this to my kids. I also did not want them leading prayers to Jesus with my Jewish neighbor's kids.

April 18, 2014 at 2:56 p.m.
conservative said...

The question for all religions has always been - How can I be right with God?

The heathen religions, the cults, and even scores within professing Christianity believe that one can be right with God by obeying the law or doing some form of good works, while being a good person. Many add ceremony and rituals to their belief system of good works and deeds in order to be right with God.

True Christianity is the ONLY religion whereby one is justified by God through faith, meaning belief in Jesus Christ alone.

The Gospel plus works, deeds, ceremony or ritual is another gospel, a false gospel, a damning gospel.

There are many verses that are very clear that one cannot be justified before God by anything man does, for example:

as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one; There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one.” Romans 3:10-12 NAS

Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:19-20 NAS

But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:21-23 NAS

For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Romans 3:28 NAS

April 18, 2014 at 3 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Everyone claims their religion is the one true religion. None of them have anymore evidence for this than any of the others. The beauty of our Constitution is that no religionshould be favored, nor should it dictate to all citizens.

April 18, 2014 at 3:03 p.m.

Mr. Conservative,

Many times I've asked you questions concerning your beliefs, yet you never answer.

Why? Don't know the answers? Afraid? Spouting Bible verses proves nothing except a very limited understanding of the very book of stories you quote.

Does your religion make you happy, joyful, and a loving and compassionate person?

What is there about your brand of fundamentalism that makes you unable to answer quite simple questions?

I watched the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham where Mr. Ham was unable to answer any questions about science. Are you like Mr. Ham? Is it ignorance of the subject of science?

My seven year old niece invited Mr. Orr to attend one of her science classes to bring him up to speed. I'm sure she would invite you too if you promise not to rave and rant.

It might do you good to get out in the world and see something besides your self-imposed original sin.

But somehow it seems you'd rather wallow in slops than breathe fresh air.

Have a joyful Easter and I hope the bunny leaves you lots of eggs.

April 18, 2014 at 3:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo 2:46 Surely you don't think you answer my question with that lame reply. Cite some real examples of science being held back by Christians.

April 18, 2014 at 4:11 p.m.

Speaking of abominations on Easter, did anyone see the photo of Nancy Pelosi washing the feet of an illegal alien? Guess she's trying to compete with the pope.

April 18, 2014 at 4:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

zab, I'm guessing she and the Pope are not too tight.

April 18, 2014 at 4:32 p.m.

I would say not, PT. The only thing tight about Pelosi is her face.

She did that in an Episcopal church. She's Catholic, so she had to go there to do that.

April 18, 2014 at 4:37 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

All of this phony "Christian" outrage is laughable. Hate Bennett's cartoons, yet view them and post daily...makes sense to me.

April 18, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

They are there to promote comments, gassy. What's the beef? The outrage is not phony. I think he was out of bounds on this one. I guess you don't. BFD.

April 18, 2014 at 4:45 p.m.

Guass, you're an ass. It's a forum to make comments. Why do come on here? This particular cartoon is hateful.

April 18, 2014 at 4:47 p.m.

There's no burning reason to have posted this cartoon on this day, and this weekend. It's a topic that can be addressed at any time really. But, he purposely picked it for today in order to mock. The timing and the content of the cartoon leaves no doubt about it. Big man mocking Christians in the Bible belt on Easter.

April 18, 2014 at 4:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Oh Zab....you're just soooo unenlightened.

April 18, 2014 at 5:02 p.m.
tifosi said...

Christians have no tolerance for others. Like the Taliban.

April 18, 2014 at 5:10 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ asaninity

April 18, 2014 at 5:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Zableed, get over it, you weenie. Political cartoons are meant to mock and stir things up. That's just what they do! Besides, Christians deserve to be mocked and called out, at least the ones who constantly mock science and reason. Those cretins are always pushing primitive creeds and concepts down our throats, like original sin, the need for "salvation" and telling us that their religion is the only true religion and that America is supposed to be a Christian nation. Hell, this cartoon is pretty lame, actually. If they want to cling to a symbol of death and make an idol out of it and if they want to believe in a fictitious figure no more real than the Easter bunny and make a "savior" out of him, and if they want to take a musty old collection of myths and make it their sacred, inerrant "word of God," well, anybody that devoid of reason and plain old common sense deserves a good mocking now and then.

April 18, 2014 at 5:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo, who are the Christians that are "constantly" mocking science and reason? Where are they hiding?

April 18, 2014 at 5:26 p.m.

You libs can't counter what I say with a damn thing. My point is that the timing is indisputable. There's no argument. Move on to another topic.

Yeah, PT, I need to get with the program.

April 18, 2014 at 5:39 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, if you are too blind and stupid to see how they do it every single day, spreading their message of hate, bigotry, and ignorance, cloaked in righteousness, then I'm not going to spend any more time trying to spell it out for you. I'm not talking about the more compassionate Christians who focus on loving and spreading good will. While I disagree with them as to their supposed need for clinging to the label of "Christian," I at least appreciate the fact that they have distilled the Bible down to its best parts, the few parts of it that really matter, and they have realized that it is neither history nor the sacred "word of God." I do respect them for that. But the fundies...nah. They deserve every bit of ridicule and scorn that anyone can heap upon them. They are despicable in their arrogance and self-righteousness.

April 18, 2014 at 5:42 p.m.

Boy, Ricaroo, that's a hate filled rant.

April 18, 2014 at 5:46 p.m.

In case some of you extreme fundamentalists have trouble finding your way up the mountain for the Easter sunrise service, these fellows will be glad to help.

http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/76652.jpg

April 18, 2014 at 5:50 p.m.

Faux, liberal Christians lecturing Christians about what a Christian should be like. Hillarious. Christ was crucified, died for our sins and was resurrected. Apparently it bothers you libs so much that we believe that, that your pied piper, Bennett, found it necessary to mock it. Good grief you're transparent.

April 18, 2014 at 5:52 p.m.
librul said...

Great article I saw recently asked the simple question:

Why do people who believe the Bible is inerrant, literal truth not also believe that the Earth is flat?

Sure there are wackos who do, but shouldn't the same question be posed to people like Conservative (who would likely attempt to deflect such a question with creative mumbo-jumbo as usual).

April 18, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.

You see, libs, Christ doesn't need to evolve to adapt to your agenda. Just like the Constitution doesn't need to be contorted into whatever you want it to be to suit your current needs. To a Christian, a true Christian, this weekend is what it's all about, Crucificition, death, and Resurrection. He died for our sins. That's what it is. So, this cartoon mocks that.

April 18, 2014 at 6 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Allabro: you poor dear.

Roo, you're simply dumb as a sled- load of scat. Your ignorance is alarming. I hope you don't have a job with influence over others. Btw, you never answered, city, county, state, or fed?

April 18, 2014 at 6:05 p.m.

" Christ was crucified, died for our sins and was resurrected."

Any evidence? What sins? What did you do? I didn't do anything myself.

Resurrected? Ancient history is full of stories about dead gods coming back to life.

Still looking for the "Shroud of Zableedofisterix"?

Evidence, please, not faith if you're going to make such claims. Science looks for evidence through observation and experience, not in stories.

That's what amazes me about people who believe in a literal Bible. No evidence, no forensics, not even circumstantial evidence — just wishful thinking.

Strike that last sentence. No thinking, just wishful.

April 18, 2014 at 6:12 p.m.
librul said...

Fundies are putting up quite a fuss, aren't they? There's only one reason - without the myth of resurrection, there's no leg for the rest of their mythology to stand on.

April 18, 2014 at 6:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

allahs bro sounds much like Easy. New name, bro?

April 18, 2014 at 6:23 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The notion of "original sin" is one of the most horrendous religious precepts ever to exist. It has done more to enslave humankind than any other tenet of Christianity. And there are still way too many feeble minded followers who ascribe to this pathetic, damnable doctrine. We will not have our much needed and long overdue Age of Enlightenment (21st century style) until that disgusting and pernicious doctrine is completely laid to rest. It should have been laid to rest a long time ago.

April 18, 2014 at 6:25 p.m.
librul said...

Relaxing with an adult beverage and watching "Life of Brian" yet again is an attractive option this weekend but for expansion of one's horizons, go to the PBS website and watch "Your Inner Fish" Part One and "Your Inner Reptile" Part Two of the Neil Shubin series, They're GREAT!. Just don't miss Cosmos .....

April 18, 2014 at 6:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

Christianity... the message of love. ROFLMAO!!! Just look at conservative and zableedrool to see the real Christian message... judgmental hate and intolerance. And before zableedrool starts pointing the finger at me... I'm not the one with the Bible in my hand preaching hypocrisy. Set the example ol' boy. Show us what that Bible is really about.

April 18, 2014 at 6:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffy^^^ very interesting. You see none of those traits in, oh say, Roo, Allahbaba,limric, Alpo, LibDem, and others?

April 18, 2014 at 6:55 p.m.
tifosi said...

They aren't throwing the Bible in peoples face, while wearing two faces themselves. Full of bullshyte and hypocrisy. Everyone of those you mentioned are pretty content with accepting others for what they are. Not being a bully with a Bible. Not saying we want less government, while trying to legislate morality.

April 18, 2014 at 7:04 p.m.

tifosi, believe what you want to believe. The real Christian message, especially on Easter, is that Christ rose from the dead. That's it. If you're a Christian then you believe that Christ died and rose from the dead. End of story. That's at the core. You libs's version of Christ is that he's some dude, who said and did some cool things, told everyone to love each other, and all that. Kind of like John Lennon or some hippie, but without the pot and heroin influence. There's no point to be a Christian if you don't believe in the resurrection. You can pick and choose what you want, but unless you believe Jesus died for your sins then you're something else, but not a Christian. This cartoon was purposely' drawn to mock Easter Weekend. It's mean spirited, and hateful.

April 18, 2014 at 7:14 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Librul, I did not know that those videos were available on PBS. I will definitely check them out. I have been watching "Cosmos" with Dr. Tyson and it's great. But still, I think you can't beat Carl Sagan's old series. Sagan was one of a kind. He had an infectious enthusiasm about him that I've always found uplifting.

PT, I am indeed intolerant... of ignorance, bigotry, and self-righteousness. And I will always speak out against them. I have no desire to be accepted, respected, or understood by people who espouse ignorance and blind faith. They can either open their eyes and hearts and awaken their dormant intelligence to seek out truth, or they can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. And speaking of hell (if there really were such a place), they are more likely to go there instead of that eternal paradise they THINK they are going to.

April 18, 2014 at 7:16 p.m.

You libs focus on the love and charity, which is essential because that's what Christ taught, but you poo poo the resurrection and the fact that he's the son of GOD. What I believe and what you believe is not the point. The point is that Bennett timed this cartoon to mock Easter. It's not debatable. It is what it is.

April 18, 2014 at 7:20 p.m.
tifosi said...

zableedrool missed the rest of the Bible and what Jesus lived for. Now I understand where the hate comes from... ignorance. Time to read the good book ol' boy. You missed the message.

April 18, 2014 at 7:20 p.m.
tifosi said...

I guess God was liberal.

"John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

OH MY THE WORD "LOVE" WAS IN THE BIBLE!!!!

God must have been a hippie. That's what zableedrool wants us to believe. GEEZUS!!!

April 18, 2014 at 7:23 p.m.
degage said...

This does not offend me, I just consider the sorce. Our atheist friends have every right to believe as they wish as we have every right to believe as we wish. Many of you say Christians are hateful, not one of you can see how hateful you seem to us. You don't want to live and let live, you just want to ridicule those that have a different belief than yours.

Al, I will never understand why you continue to bring up what you believe about PT. That was debunked 2 years ago. It's like the bully in kindergarden picking a fight then carrying it on to graduation in highschool. Let it go.

April 18, 2014 at 7:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

"And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,"

Some more of that hippie talk. Pass the doobie zableedrool.

April 18, 2014 at 7:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

"In your unfailing love you will lead the people you have redeemed. In your strength you will guide them to your holy dwelling."

OH MY!!! Pass the wine and listen to more of that zableedrool hypocrisy.

April 18, 2014 at 7:28 p.m.
tifosi said...

zableedrool - It is because of idiots like you that more and more people are leaving the church. WAKE UP YOU IDIOT!

April 18, 2014 at 7:29 p.m.
tifosi said...

27.Leviticus 19:18

“‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord."

April 18, 2014 at 7:30 p.m.
tifosi said...

zableedrool - You mock the Bible more than anyone.

April 18, 2014 at 7:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Most of you effers make mr physically ill.

April 18, 2014 at 7:31 p.m.
tifosi said...

Your icon is a joke PT. You come from the same school of thought as the Taliban.

April 18, 2014 at 7:35 p.m.
limric said...

A small male homonid, ‘The Third Chimpanzee’ if you will (re. Jared Diamond), small in stature, in his formative years gazes upon the heavens and queries, ”Post us a scientist being overburdened by religion.”

Copernicus & Galileo Galilei are the most famous, Giordano Bruno, Charles Darwin, William Buckland, Charles Lyell, Louis Agassiz, and Adam Sedgewick --- to name a few.

For all their intellectual honesty, they were constantly threatened by the Church, with death threats for some, and hurled epithets like "infidel, impugner of the sacred record, and assailant of the volume of God. Geology was condemned as a dark art, dangerous and disreputable, a forbidden province, infernal artillery and an awful evasion of the testimony of revelation.” Etc etc.

This is not to imply there is rampant persecution of scientists by modern western religion, but the examples above I’d say, qualify as ”overburdened.”

April 18, 2014 at 7:37 p.m.
fairmon said...

Why are religious and political organizations exempt from taxes?

We are all supporting any organization that is exempt from any part of the tax code whether we agree with their cause or not. How can a government claim to be uninvolved in or supportive of any religious body then exempt them from the tax system. Conservative organizations claim they were denied exemption because of their conservative views. Why not solve the problem by having zero exemptions from the tax system?

No exemptions and no deductions, everyone carry their own cross.

April 18, 2014 at 7:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffy, why would you say such a thing?

April 18, 2014 at 7:47 p.m.
tifosi said...

Romans 2: Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

April 18, 2014 at 7:51 p.m.
alprova said...

degsge wrote: "Al, I will never understand why you continue to bring up what you believe about PT. That was debunked 2 years ago."

No it wasn't debunked. I DID back off of the claim to seek peace in this forum. He has decided that he cannot play nice, and I do have proof to the fact that he indeed is the person in question.

"It's like the bully in kindergarden picking a fight then carrying it on to graduation in highschool."

Isn't it hilarious that you see nothing wrong with the sh!t he has posted about me, but in your opinion it is I who is being a bully?

Fine. If that's the way you feel, then mind your own business. He's going to post whatever he so desires, and so will I.

If it bugs you so much, pass my posts right on by.

April 18, 2014 at 8 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lady Gage. He knows it wasn't me. That's the pisser. It's one of several whoppers he's told. The man is ill.

April 18, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.

"The Inner Fish" on PBS is great! Thanks for the heads-up.

It's easy to see why fundamentalists cling to their gods as real.

Science scares them! By clinging to ancient stories they feel special, as if god picked them out. But they could pray to the Easter Bunny and have the same results - nothing.

Small, puny gods for their small, feeble minds. That's fundamentalism.

April 18, 2014 at 9:14 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I have watched both of the episodes, and loved them. Learned a lot, even though I have read the book. Twice!

April 18, 2014 at 9:23 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Lady Gage. He knows it wasn't me. That's the pisser. It's one of several whoppers he's told. The man is ill."

Which is why you are not going to post your true name for comparison. You're so sure it's not you that you refuse to post the proof that it isn't.

You know damn well it IS you.

April 18, 2014 at 9:58 p.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

For those who are always OUTRAGED or OFFENDED by Mr. Bennett's cartoons here's some advice.

Read the right side of the paper and avoid the left side. Sometimes I'm not so crazy about the cartoons on the right side. But life goes on and freedom of speech means hearing or reading somethings we don't agree with. Life goes on.

April 18, 2014 at 10:03 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Like you posting your "CPA" credential, ally? Like that?

Hunter, no one is protesting bennett's freedom of speech. But the toon remains insulting and disrespectful to many.

April 18, 2014 at 10:46 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Like you posting your "CPA" credential, ally? Like that?"

No...it's not like that at all. You see, I could not care less who believes I am a CPA. You on the other hand have whined consistently that you are not the person in question who went bankrupt.

All ya' gotta do is to post your name in this forum, which will then allow me to post my info for comparison. But you and I both know you're not going to do that, are you?

So...you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, and it's completely up to you to get out of it.

Start playing nice with everyone or prove you are not the person who filed for bankruptcy.

My guess is that you will do neither. You like the attention and you love expressing faux outrage.

So, I'll be sure to post a daily reminder that you have victimized your creditors of your debts in response to every caustic comment you offer.

April 18, 2014 at 10:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpy, a bankruptcy is not that big of a deal. If it were true, hell, I would admit it. Keep playing your little lie game, I don't care. BTW, I play nice with most on here. You are the main exception. And that won't stop until you apologize. Got it, zygote brain?

April 18, 2014 at 11:55 p.m.
alprova said...

Sorry, but no apology will be forthcoming hyena. You started this crap and I will end it, or I will continue to be thorn in your side.

You say you would admit it and that it is no big deal, but your reactions to the charge have been priceless to witness.

You're not going to leave me alone, so I guess you're thirsty for more. And I do have more. You're definitely not a choir boy.

Do you have any idea what a skip-trace is?

You're going to find out what kind of information it delivers very soon if you don't back off.

April 19, 2014 at 12:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Deliver it now, large mouth. Giddy with anticipation.

April 19, 2014 at 7:44 a.m.
alprova said...

Nope...it doesn't work like that. You are going to post your full name first THEN I will post the corresponding proof.

If I post the proof, you will simply deny you are that person.

You know who I am. I know who you are. The group as a whole does not know who you are and I'm not going to be the one to inform them.

That Sir is up to you.

Buuuut...you're not going to do that, because you and I both know the facts, and you're interested in doing nothing but continuing to write your little caustic comments, and people knowing where to find you when you offer them, just doesn't sit well with you.

That makes you a chicken sh!t...

April 19, 2014 at 8:36 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

hahahaha you got nothing, used car d!ck. As usual, big hat, no cattle.

April 19, 2014 at 8:53 a.m.
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