published Wednesday, April 23rd, 2014

Affirmative Action

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Well, Clay, I guess Justice Thomas ain't your kind of negro, huh?

April 23, 2014 at 12:11 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

How horrible. They cannot discriminate based upon race anymore. Wasn't that the idea?

April 23, 2014 at 12:24 a.m.

Translation: The only good negro is a liberal/Democrat negro. All others need not apply.

April 23, 2014 at 12:27 a.m.

See what happens when you stray from the plantation?

April 23, 2014 at 12:37 a.m.
MasterBlaster said...

Well now that we've heard from the most feeble-minded of racists here, will any clearer minds prevail?

April 23, 2014 at 5:06 a.m.
fairmon said...

Sotomayor's first name should be socialist instead of Sonya.

April 23, 2014 at 5:10 a.m.
caddy said...

Clay prefers his negros to vote as the other "non racists" negros did for Obama-- at a 94-97% clip.

April 23, 2014 at 7:02 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Negro? Seriously, you guys still use that word?

April 23, 2014 at 7:29 a.m.
Astropig said...

Justice Thomas has served with dignity and distinction.He has done a good job. He's a very private, humble guy with great personal integrity. Justice Thomas loves America and embodies the very essence of what hard work and faith in one's self can accomplish. No wonder Bennett hates him. Even for this guy in this paper,this is over the line.

April 23, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.
alprova said...

"This refusal to accept the stark reality that race matters is regrettable. The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to speak openly and candidly on the subject of race, and to apply the Constitution with eyes open to the unfortunate effects of centuries of racial discrimination."

"As members of the judiciary tasked with intervening to carry out the guarantee of equal protection, we ought not sit back and wish away, rather than confront, the racial inequality that exists in our society." -- Sonya Sotomayer from her 58 page dissent...

April 23, 2014 at 8:27 a.m.
caddy said...

It's a Valid word Gaussianinteger. Don't be so offended by it.

April 23, 2014 at 8:30 a.m.
caddy said...

"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to speak openly and candidly on the subject of race, and to apply the Constitution with eyes open to the unfortunate effects of centuries of racial discrimination." [ From Sotomayer ]

You mean it's ok to speak about African's selling their own ( Race, Tribe, people group) to be sold as slaves is "OK" to talk about Alprova ? Let's get past the part where White's were the only ones complicit.

April 23, 2014 at 8:34 a.m.
alprova said...

It was interesting to read that both Sonya Sotomayer and Clarence Thomas were both products of affirmative action.

Sonya Sotomayer understands that she would not be where she is without the benefits of affirmative action.

Clarence Thomas actually made the statement that affirmative action "cheapened" his Yale law degree.

Now I don't know about anyone else, but I find that description to be more telling about himself than about affirmative action.

Did he not have to do the same amount of work to achieve that law degree as any other student? I'm sure he did.

Giving advantages to those who come from circumstances that inhibit people from maximizing their potential can never be wrong.

Time will tell if this is a good idea or a bad one.

Don't get me wrong. Affirmative action applied to give advantages to those who do not deserve a push up that ladder will always be wrong, but how many people who do deserve that push will not get it, now that people will be allowed to overlook minorities in the future?

I'm seeing some nasty comments already this morning from those who have a track record of always offering derogatory comments whenever race comes up.

Clearly, any notion that racial equality has been achieved is a total matter of delusion, especially down here in the South.

I don't expect some of you to ever change. You won't. You can't.

Bigotry and racism are traits that start early in life and they are usually taught to them by parents or by peers.

I thank God that I did not grow up down here and for having parents who taught me that people are people, no matter the color of their skin.

April 23, 2014 at 8:51 a.m.
alprova said...

Caddy wrote: "You mean it's ok to speak about African's selling their own ( Race, Tribe, people group) to be sold as slaves..."

Are you SERIOUS?

This is something happening in the year 2014?

I must have missed that news story...

April 23, 2014 at 8:55 a.m.
conservative said...

Injustice Sonya Sotomayor was an affirmative action pick. She, like all the other Liberals holds to a "living, breathing" interpretation of the Constitution.

She lives and breathes Liberalism and Socialism so she will rule as such in spite of what a law reads.

She will continue to show contempt for the Constitution by ruling according to her Liberal/Socialist view of social justice.

And she will do so as long as she lives and breathes.

April 23, 2014 at 8:56 a.m.
alprova said...

Caddy, I think it would also be a mistake to walk up to a black person and call them a Negro today. I don't think there are many people at all fond of that word anymore.

It's been years and years since I have ever seen or heard that word used to describe a person.

When was the last time you saw that word on an application for employment or on any other form where one declares race?

You're obviously living in the past and your exposure to minorities seems to be quite limited.

The polite description is "African-American," and most do not object to the word "black," but that too may eventually be phased out.

April 23, 2014 at 9:01 a.m.
caddy said...

http://bnpsalford.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-slavery/

Alprova, Blacks are more "enslaved" now than at any time in their history. In the 20s,30s,40s,50s at least they were largely conservative two parent families. Today, Among blacks, nearly 5 million children, or 54 percent, live with only their mother. Twelve percent of black families below the poverty line have two parents present, compared with 41 percent of impoverished Hispanic families and 32 percent of poor white families. Their Father is the government. They look to him for sustenance. That's EXACTLY why you have blacks who voted for Obama twice--at 94 to 97 %. No Racism here. Move along...

April 23, 2014 at 9:01 a.m.
caddy said...

Alprova, if you truly think that Blacks are NOT selling their own into slavery ( of every kind, but especially the sex slave trade ) you truly have your head in the sand and watch CNN and the other news channels and actually believe it is news.

http://bnpsalford.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-slavery/

April 23, 2014 at 9:06 a.m.
limric said...

Well I have to say, a number of the first posters to this cartoon was an example of an intellectual landslide. The boulders of open racism and bigotry cascading down a mountain face of boorish stupidity.

Now that I’ve gotten my snarling out of the way, I am going express my agreement with the court’s ruling; which upheld the change to the Michigan state Constitution (voter-approved) that prevents public colleges from using race as a factor in its admissions.

I really want to see where it takes us…if I live that long. The logic of my concurrence is hopefully explained by my last question.

Justice Sotomayor wrote in her dissent, "In my colleagues' view, examining the racial impact of legislation only perpetuates racial discrimination."

How?

She also Added, "But one thing has not changed: to doubt the worth of minority students’ achievement when they succeed is really only to present another face of the prejudice that would deny them a chance even to try."

Again – How?

George Washington, a Detroit lawyer said, "To take away the rights of minorities is a shocking decision."

How is this ‘taking away’ minority rights?

Last question: Doesn’t taking race out of an admissions process automatically make the process equal in this regard; i.e. color blind. Therefore negating a need to meet any so called race quota?

April 23, 2014 at 9:07 a.m.
conservative said...

The Michigan law bars publicly funded colleges from granting -

"preferential treatment to any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin."

How could Injustice Sonya Sotomayor rule that a law against discrimination is somehow unconstitutional unless she has a Liberal/Socialist mindset holding contempt for our Constitution for which she has sworn to uphold?

April 23, 2014 at 9:27 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

"a Liberal/Socialist mindset"

OH - like Jesus.

April 23, 2014 at 9:36 a.m.
ibshame said...

"caddy said... http://bnpsalford.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-slavery/

Alprova, Blacks are more "enslaved" now than at any time in their history. In the 20s,30s,40s,50s at least they were largely conservative two parent families. Today, Among blacks, nearly 5 million children, or 54 percent, live with only their mother. Twelve percent of black families below the poverty line have two parents present, compared with 41 percent of impoverished Hispanic families and 32 percent of poor white families. Their Father is the government. They look to him for sustenance. That's EXACTLY why you have blacks who voted for Obama twice--at 94 to 97 %. No Racism here. Move along..."

Here we go again with someone throwing out stats to fit your agenda. So lets have another lesson in STATS for DUMMIES; If there were 5 members of your family and two were deemed to be morons, statistically that would mean 40% of your family are morons even though the number is actually only TWO.

As far as the per centages that voted for President Obama, so what? As many voted for President Clinton and will more than likely vote for Hillary as well. When the Repubs have someone to offer up as a candidate that appeals to minority voters then maybe they can elect a President. Maybe instead of trying to disenfranchise as many minority voters as they can, they should seek to encourage minority voters. As dumb as George W. Bush was even he knew that and so does his brother, Jeb.

As for your walk down memory lane back to the 20's, 30's 40's and 50's that was the era of Jim Crow and Segregation. Is it your supposition African Americans were better off when they weren't treated as FIRST CLASS CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY?

April 23, 2014 at 9:45 a.m.
conservative said...

Part of Injustice Sonya Sotomayor's statement:

"As members of the judiciary tasked with intervening to carry out the guarantee of equal protection, we ought not sit back and wish away, rather than confront, the racial inequality that exists in our society,"

Attention Injustice Sonya Sotomayor:

Michigan does that, The Michigan law bars publicly funded colleges from granting -

"preferential treatment to any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin."

April 23, 2014 at 9:52 a.m.

You libs don't even recognize sarcasm when you see it. You pull out the race card as fast as you can.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Clarence Thomas is not a liberal or Democrat, so therefore he's not right in the head with you libs. Clay has depicted him as dumb by the way he's holding the card with his name upside down.

This is typical of you libs' mindset. You think you own blacks, women, hipanics/Mexicans,latimos. Clarence Thomas isn't on your plantation, so he's dumb, right?

April 23, 2014 at 10:36 a.m.
ibshame said...

What I think of Clarence Thomas is this and it has ALWAYS BEEN THIS: HE IS A DISGRACE TO THE MEMORY OF THURGOOD MARSHALL. GEORGE H.W. BUSH SHOULD HAVE FOUND A MUCH MORE QUALIFIED AFRICAN AMERICAN TO SIT ON THE BENCH if that was his sole criteria for replacing Thurgood Marshall and evidently it was at the time.

April 23, 2014 at 10:48 a.m.

I'll say it again, I guess Clarence Thomas ain't your kind of negro, huh? The way black Americans who stray from the Democrat Party plantation are treated by the media, liberals and Democrats is truly offensive. I guess Clarence Thomas is a just a dumb negro who has lost his way. Maybe if you put him down enough he'll crawl back and as y'all for forgiveness. I can just see it now. Maybe if Justice Thomas asks the right way, then you libs will take him back. This is how you libs see him asking in your wet dream: Yez, Massa Clay, Ize be a good nigga, and neva, neva, leave yo plantation again! I don seen the errors of my wayz!!! Pleze Massa, I'll neva, neva vote Republicans again!

April 23, 2014 at 10:51 a.m.

ibshame, you racist. The only good negro is a Democrat negro, huh? They should all think alike, huh? And all Chinese look the same to you as well?

You liberals are bigots and racists.

April 23, 2014 at 10:53 a.m.

Yes, I be shame, Thomas is JUST A DISGRACE! Why, because he's black and not a liberal or Democrat?

April 23, 2014 at 11:14 a.m.
limric said...

Justice Thomas came to the Court with less qualifications than any Justice of the 20th Century. His agenda is clear, transparent, and utterly predictable. He seems to have never recovered psychologically from the turmoil and rancor of his confirmation hearings. He remains the poster child of an affirmative action appointment by Ronald Reagan- who opposed such preferential treatment- for every other African-American.
OH the irony!

Thomas clearly subscribes to Lincoln's dictum, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

His anger and self-loathing have aged him far beyond his years. Neither Harriet Beecher Stowe nor Hollywood Casting could conceive or find a more prototypical Uncle Tom --though he actually resembles Uncle Remus much more.

His life imitates art.

April 23, 2014 at 11:15 a.m.

ibshame, why is he a "disgrace" to Thurgood Marshall, and not to John Marshall, William Douglas or any other past Supreme Court Justice? How about John Jay? Because he's black, and has to think like a black should think by your standardz?

April 23, 2014 at 11:19 a.m.

That's laughable limric. And Ruth Ginsburg is not predictable and transparent?

April 23, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.

Ginsburg is a lefty. She's always been one, and is one the court. So to criticize Thomas for having an "agenda" is ridiculous. They all lean one way or the other. Their voting records prove it.

April 23, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... ibshame, why is he a "disgrace" to Thurgood Marshall, and not to John Marshall, William Douglas or any other past Supreme Court Justice? How about John Jay? Because he's black, and has to think like a black should think by your standardz?"

If you read Limric's post at 11:15 a.m. He pretty much knocks it out of the park as to why Clarence Thomas is a disgrace to the memory of Thurgood Marshall. I couldn't have written it any better!! Thank-you Limric

April 23, 2014 at 11:31 a.m.

It absolutely knocks nothing out of the park. When people argue about BO's qualifications for being POTUS you libs say that he's been POTUS for 6 years and it doesn't matter. Transparent and very much projection on your part.

You libs are busted on this.

Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and the other libs on the court get a pass for being predictable, but Thomas doesn't?

April 23, 2014 at 11:38 a.m.
cheezy123 said...

This was a 6-2 landslide decision you know. For Clay to single out Thomas because of his color is despicable! Thomas has never wanted to be placed on a pedistool based on his color. Affirmitive action was a horrible law to begin with. Liberals act like only minorities are poor and disenfranchised, which is racist in itself. Problem is liberals think of all black people being from the inner city, and with no oppurtunity (also racist). Liberal's are the most oppressive group toward minorities, if a black, or hispanic have a conservative view they are viciousley demonized by the left, I.E. ABOVE TOON! As long as minorities know their role and stay in lock step with the democrat party then they are safe.

April 23, 2014 at 11:41 a.m.

The fact remains that you libs CANNOT stand a black American who is not a Democrat or a liberal. Whether it's Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, Condoleeza Rice, and so on. You think all Black Americans should think alike. Just like you believe all Americans of Mexican ancestry are ok with illegal aliens from Mexico because they're Mexican. You're racists.

April 23, 2014 at 11:44 a.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... I'll say it again, I guess Clarence Thomas ain't your kind of negro, huh? The way black Americans who stray from the Democrat Party plantation are treated by the media, liberals and Democrats is truly offensive. I guess Clarence Thomas is a just a dumb negro who has lost his way. Maybe if you put him down enough he'll crawl back and as y'all for forgiveness. I can just see it now. Maybe if Justice Thomas asks the right way, then you libs will take him back. This is how you libs see him asking in your wet dream: Yez, Massa Clay, Ize be a good nigga, and neva, neva, leave yo plantation again! I don seen the errors of my wayz!!! Pleze Massa, I'll neva, neva vote Republicans again!**

Not all Black Republicans are Uncle Toms. However, Most Uncle Toms are Black Republicans. BTW I don't use the term "negro" and haven't since childhood. See, I grew up in the 60's by then the use of that word was pretty much over and done with. It was much too easy in the South to change the gro to gra.

As to your use of the word "negro" maybe in your spare time you should read the following:

http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102%20(spring%2001)/articles/names/bennett.htm

Who knows you just might learn something

April 23, 2014 at 11:50 a.m.

cheezy, you're right. The decision correct, and 6-2. Thomas is always the target for the left because he's black and not Democrat. It doesn't matter what the issue is, he will be singled out because he's black and not a liberal.

April 23, 2014 at 11:52 a.m.
cheezy123 said...

Hell even super lib Breyer voted to uphold. Where is the TOON mocking him? Oh nevermind he is a white liberal and not a conservitive minority. Affirimitve action only matters to Clay when it the minority has the same ideology as he does.

April 23, 2014 at 11:52 a.m.

ibshame, you're full of it. Once again, dummy, you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it. When a liberal engages in sarcasm it's ok, but not when someone else does. Just like it's ok for libs to bring up race, but not conservatives. Double standard.

"most uncle toms are black republicans" THAT is racist.

April 23, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Fister, I think if you called Clarence Thomas a negro in his presence, he'd punch you in your face. The only reason you like "negros" such as Thomas, Cason, West, etc. is because they belong to the GOP. You are a low-life piece of trash.

April 23, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.
ibshame said...

"cheezy123 said... This was a 6-2 landslide decision you know. For Clay to single out Thomas because of his color is despicable! Thomas has never wanted to be placed on a pedistool based on his color. Affirmitive action was a horrible law to begin with. Liberals act like only minorities are poor and disenfranchised, which is racist in itself. Problem is liberals think of all black people being from the inner city, and with no oppurtunity (also racist). Liberal's are the most oppressive group toward minorities, if a black, or hispanic have a conservative view they are viciousley demonized by the left, I.E. ABOVE TOON! As long as minorities know their role and stay in lock step with the democrat party then they are safe."

Clarence Thomas was not SINGLED OUT BECAUSE OF HIS COLOR, HE WAS SINGLED OUT BECAUSE HE IS A HYPOCRITE. His color as you say is what got him into Yale and it was HIS COLOR that allowed George H.W. Bush to choose him for the USSC!!

Bush was no idiot. Does anyone honestly think he was going to replace the FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN SUPREME COURT JUSTICE TO EVER SIT ON THE BENCH WITH A CAUCASIAN? No, that was never going to happen, most especially with the election of 1992 coming up. He made a poor choice in picking Thomas and that was his fault!!

April 23, 2014 at 11:57 a.m.
cheezy123 said...

ibshame,

The sole reason he was singled out was because of his COLOR.

April 23, 2014 at 12:02 p.m.

Guass, you're an a-hole. You don't recognize sarcasm when you see it. They're "negro" to you libs. You prove my point, it's ok when libs bring up race and are sarcastic, but when anyone else does they're racist. Projection, Guass, projection. LOL

April 23, 2014 at 12:03 p.m.

He's a "poor choice" in your opinion, ibshame. Ginsburg is horrible choice in my opinion.

April 23, 2014 at 12:04 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

And maybe African-Americans are wrongfully attacked for being Republicans. Not totally misplaced though, since they are members of a party where most members deny that racism even exists today.

April 23, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Fister, using a derogatory word multiple times in different posts is not "sarcasm". It's offensive.

April 23, 2014 at 12:07 p.m.

Sorry, Guass, doesn't fly. It says nothing about me, it's just sarcasm to make a point. But, it says everything about you libs. I knew when I posted that you libs would immediately toss out the race card. You didn't let me down. Every single time I bring up anything having to do with race on this forum I'm hit right away with the race card. To you libs they are negro still, to me they're Americans, period. That's one of the differences between a liberal and me. I see Americans, you see voting blocks, groups, and you love to hyphenate.

Racism exists, and it's perpetuated by you libs. It's and industry for folks like Sharpton, Jackson and BO.

April 23, 2014 at 12:21 p.m.
ibshame said...

"cheezy123 said... ibshame,

The sole reason he was singled out was because of his COLOR."

No, it was his COLOR that got him to where he is today on the USSC. He hates AA but it was AA that got him where he is today.

April 23, 2014 at 12:28 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... The fact remains that you libs CANNOT stand a black American who is not a Democrat or a liberal. Whether it's Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, Condoleeza Rice, and so on. You think all Black Americans should think alike."

Here's what Condoleeza Rice said about AA in 2003:

"A day after the White House announced it would join a court fight against racial preferences at the University of Michigan, the highest-ranking African-American on the White House staff said she believes it is "appropriate" to consider race in college admissions."

"In a carefully worded statement, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said she agreed with President Bush's decision to file a Supreme Court brief opposing the Michigan plan, which awards bonus points to minorities."

But she also drew a distinction between her views on affirmative action and those of the president.

While he came out forcefully against the use of racial preferences in college admissions, Rice said "it is appropriate to use race as one factor among others in achieving a diverse student body."

She said, however, that "race neutral means are preferable."

Rice, the first African-American to hold her influential post, said she discussed the racial preference issue – which falls outside her usual national security portfolio – with the president before he announced his decision in the Michigan case.

Other administration officials have stressed the filing was carefully worded to cover just the Michigan plan, not the high court's landmark Bakke decision. That 1978 ruling outlawed strict quotas, but said admissions officers could take race into account.

White House officials said Rice unsuccessfully urged Mr. Bush to concede that race could be used as a factor in admissions, though she agreed with his view that the Michigan program went too far.

They said Rice was stung by a Washington Post story that said she helped convince the president that favoring minorities was not an effective way of improving diversity on college campuses.

Rice discussed the article with Mr. Bush, who urged her to go public with her differences, officials said on condition of anonymity.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rice-weighs-in-on-affirmative-action-20-01-2003/

April 23, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.
ibshame said...

Colin Powell on Affirmative Action:

Affirmative action gives minorities a competitive choice

"We must understand the cynicism that is created in the black community when, for example, some in our party miss no opportunity to roundly and loudly condemn affirmative action that helped a few thousand black kids get an education, but you hardly hear a whimper when it’s affirmative action for lobbyists who load our federal tax code with preferences for special interests. It doesn’t work. You can’t make that case. Overcoming the cynicism and mistrust that exists, and raising up that mantle of Lincoln, is about more -- it’s much more about than just winning votes, it is about giving all minorities a competitive choice. They deserve that choice. And if we give them that choice, it will be good for our party. But above all, it will be good for America, and we need to work to give them that choice. Good for America -- that must be the measure for all that we do -- whether it’s economic policy or military strategy or seeing what we can do to make our American family more inclusive."

Source: Speech at the Republican convention , Jul 30, 2000

Of course, General Powell is considered a RINO(because he chose Barack Obama over McCain and Romney) so his words probably don't count.

April 23, 2014 at 12:46 p.m.
limric said...

What's missing from the commentary, inflamed rhetoric and ad homonym attacks is basic observation. Clay's cartoon depicts two justices that are themselves considered 'minorities' with opposing views....about minorities.

It's rather clever if you think about it.

April 23, 2014 at 12:54 p.m.
ibshame said...

It is very clever. But then I've come to expect no less from Mr. Bennett just as I've come to expect the same reaction to his drawings from the RWNJ's. LOL

April 23, 2014 at 1:03 p.m.
cheezy123 said...

It's not clever at all. It's bashing one minority over the other because he has a different view. If you consider racist clever then that's on you. You liberals follow people like Sonya, Obama, and Bennett like sheep. No matter how wrong and despicable they are you defend them unconditionally. Truly brainwashed LWNJ's

April 23, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
cheezy123 said...

I bet if Bennett was selling turd sandwiches you guys would be first in line! Lmao!

April 23, 2014 at 1:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Caddy wrote: "Alprova, Blacks are more "enslaved" now than at any time in their history."

Really? And I'm sure you can point to a poll where black people are questioned and they support such an accusation..

"In the 20s,30s,40s,50s at least they were largely conservative two parent families."

Conservative? I seriously doubt that. But let's see where else you go with this.

"Today, Among blacks, nearly 5 million children, or 54 percent, live with only their mother. Twelve percent of black families below the poverty line have two parents present, compared with 41 percent of impoverished Hispanic families and 32 percent of poor white families. Their Father is the government."

I see, and I suppose you have some theory as to why fathers don't hang around to raise their children, and that it is the fault of Democrats and Liberals that they don't.

Is this where you are going?

"They look to him for sustenance. That's EXACTLY why you have blacks who voted for Obama twice--at 94 to 97 %. No Racism here. Move along..."

Sir, I have no doubt that there is a cultural breakdown that is at the root of the problem, but blaming Government for fatherless households is quite a stretch, but nonetheless a popular theory among Conservatives.

Point your finger at your political rivals. That should do it!!

April 23, 2014 at 1:43 p.m.
cheezy123 said...

You guys would say "oh man this is one cleverly made turd sandwich" lmao. What tools you are.

April 23, 2014 at 1:44 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "When people argue about BO's qualifications for being POTUS you libs say that he's been POTUS for 6 years and it doesn't matter."

No Liberal I know would ever make such a statement. Why?

Because we realize and can actually count the number of years he has been President.

He has only completed five years and nearly four months as President.

April 23, 2014 at 1:51 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and the other libs on the court get a pass for being predictable, but Thomas doesn't?"

No he doesn't because he would not likely be where he is if it were not for affirmative action.

The man is a hypocrite and I'll be the first one of the day to say it; He's forgotten the fact that he is black.

April 23, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.
limric said...

TheGaussianInteger said Quote: ”using a derogatory word multiple times in different posts is not ‘sarcasm’. It's offensive.” Which was replied with, "Sorry, Guass, doesn't fly."

How fu*king stupid do you think he is? Damn!!

Ah Yea Zableedofisterix, it does fly!

Cheezy123, yours and brother Zableedofisterix’s ad homonym attacks, ‘Ignoratio elenchi’ and constant use of ‘Whataboutism’ form of a‘tu quoque’ reveals your true nature.

Without the aforementioned argumentative fallacies, reasoned debate (or even making sense) is something quite outside the realm of both of yours comprehension.

Yea but- Yea but -Yea but- Yea but-OBAMA!……………………

April 23, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "The fact remains that you libs CANNOT stand a black American who is not a Democrat or a liberal."

You're so full of crap. I of course cannot speak for all Liberals, but there are several black Republican/Conservatives I admire, basically because they don't wade into controversy surrounding racial issues. Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Ken Hamblin, and Alan Keyes come to mind right off the top of my head, as black Republicans that are looked at as people first & foremost, and not as black people.

"Whether it's Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, Condoleeza Rice, and so on. You think all Black Americans should think alike."

And what do you base that OPINION upon? It's certainly never been written into this forum by any Liberal.

"Just like you believe all Americans of Mexican ancestry are ok with illegal aliens from Mexico because they're Mexican. You're racists."

Hey...I'm still waiting for proof that all these legal aliens are up in arms over illegal immigrants.

Where is it?

April 23, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"You liberals follow people like Sonya, Obama, and Bennett like sheep. No matter how wrong and despicable they are you defend them unconditionally."

And what's the difference between the "Conservatives" (GOP, Tea Partiers, etc.) following people like Limbaugh, Paul, Cruz, whoever "like sheep"? Guys from the right "defend them unconditionally". Just like they stuck up for Zimmerman and like they stick up for whatever the "Right's" agenda for the week. You pledge blind allegiance to the GOP so you are just being a hypocrite because someone belongs to a different party. It's amazing you believe that there is that much difference between politicians. They get you fighting over the "little stuff" so they can get the "big stuff" through with little notice.

April 23, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
alprova said...

GaussianInteger wrote: "The only reason you like "negros" such as Thomas, Cason, West, etc. is because they belong to the GOP."

It goes a wee bit farther.

The only reason he likes Republican "negroes," is because most of them are as far removed from interaction with those of color as he is.

April 23, 2014 at 2:14 p.m.
caddy said...

South Africa is a Nice Place to Visit

Just look at all the "African American Enrichment" !

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153815925985646&set=a.10150139784915646.398624.726740645&type=1

April 23, 2014 at 2:16 p.m.
caddy said...

Alprova wrote:

"Really? And I'm sure you can point to a poll where black people are questioned and they support such an accusation.."

I think I already did, see Walter Williams Page I referenced. He's a Black man, one I highly respect.

April 23, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.
ibshame said...

"cheezy123 said... It's not clever at all. It's bashing one minority over the other because he has a different view. If you consider racist clever then that's on you. You liberals follow people like Sonya, Obama, and Bennett like sheep. No matter how wrong and despicable they are you defend them unconditionally. Truly brainwashed LWNJ's"

Sorry but there's NOTHING racist at all about Mr. Bennett's Editorial Cartoon today. NOTHING. It's as I stated earlier, President George H.W. Bush was looking around for an African American to appoint to the USSC following Thurgood Marshall's retirement. Somehow he was led to believe Clarence Thomas would fill the void. To be honest it was Anita Hill who put Thomas in the spotlight. Whether she was right or wrong to have waited at that particular time to make her complaints against him public, no one can deny those hearings changed the face of sexual harassment complaints in the workplace forever.

There were other African Americans President Bush could have nominated but after the hearings it was as if he was bound and determined to put Thomas on the Bench. One such person who could have been considered was Edward Brooke of Mass. a Republican. The first African American elected to the U.S. Senate since Reconstruction. He represented Mass. in the Senate but evidently he wasn't Republican enough for Bush. LOL

BROOKE, Edward William, III, a Senator from Massachusetts; born in Washington, D.C., October 26, 1919; attended the public schools of Washington, D.C.; graduated from Howard University, Washington, D.C., in 1941; graduated, Boston University Law School 1948; captain, United States Army, infantry, with five years of active service in the European theater of operations; chairman of Finance Commission, city of Boston 1961-1962; elected attorney general of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in 1962; reelected in 1964; elected as a Republican to the United States Senate in 1966; reelected in 1972 and served from January 3, 1967, to January 3, 1979; unsuccessful candidate for reelection in 1978; first African American elected to the Senate by popular vote; lawyer; awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom on June 23, 2004; awarded the Congressional Gold Medal on July 1, 2008, for recognition of his service to the nation; is a resident of Miami, Fla.

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=b000871

April 23, 2014 at 2:22 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

WTF does the ANC have to do with affirmative action or the Supreme Court decision?

Oh oh yea, sorry. I almost missed the 'negro' connection. Not the slightest bit racist are you Mr. Bible humper.

April 23, 2014 at 2:25 p.m.
caddy said...

MickeyRat

America WANTS desperately to be as "Free" as the ANC....

America LOVES its multicultural society.

"Only individuals who reject the fallen nature of human beings can believe in utopia. Empirically, however, the propensity for evil in human nature, and the impossibility of utopia, can no more be denied than the law of gravity. Thus, sooner or later, every multiculturalist dream inevitably results in a Balkan nightmare." Alvin J. Schmidt, "The Menace of Multiculturalism."

April 23, 2014 at 2:34 p.m.
caddy said...

A racist is a man who honors his race, reveres his ancestry, prefers -- like virtually everyone -- to be with his own kind, and believes that his genetic inheritance is worth preserving in the same way that liberals believe that the spotted owl, snail darter, American Indians and Australian aborigines are worth preserving.

April 23, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.
caddy said...

"The purpose of a college education is to give you the correct view of minorities, and the means to live as far away from them as possible." ~ Joseph Sobran

A lil wisdom is ALL that's needed

April 23, 2014 at 2:45 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

”America WANTS desperately to be as "Free" as the ANC.”

Dude. That’s gotta be some pretty good acid your taking, cause you are way way out there man.

April 23, 2014 at 2:45 p.m.
ibshame said...

"caddy said... A racist is a man who honors his race, reveres his ancestry, prefers -- like virtually everyone -- to be with his own kind, and believes that his genetic inheritance is worth preserving in the same way that liberals believe that the spotted owl, snail darter, American Indians and Australian aborigines are worth preserving."

Wow, now that's what I call letting the sheet come off. LOL Do you intend to be one of the speakers at the Courthouse?

So, since you are one of the prolific Bible Thumpers around here, is it your contention Jesus meant for mankind to keep the races pure?

April 23, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.
caddy said...

I happen to agree with VOS here

"Now it is through maintaining the national diversities, as these express themselves in the difference of language, and are in turn upheld by this difference, that God prevents realization of the attempted scheme… [In this] was a positive intent that concerned the natural life of humanity. Under the providence of God each race or nation has a positive purpose to serve, fulfillment of which depends on relative seclusion from others.” ~ Geerhardus Vos in Biblical Theology

April 23, 2014 at 2:49 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Is that a BBQ we smell from your property...or are you just burning Jews.

April 23, 2014 at 2:49 p.m.
caddy said...

There will come a day when we will truly see multiculturalism and it will be free from all of the Christ-less diversity promoted by our country.

Christ is building a kingdom from every tongue, tribe, and nation of the world, and those distinctions will continue and be perfected in heaven. We will not be enfolded into some vanilla , wool-suit wearing, beige culture. Cultural distinctions will continue and will add to our understanding of the Glory of God.

April 23, 2014 at 2:50 p.m.
caddy said...

Please, on the Jews. The Jews run the Media, the Banks, the Porn industry, and most of the important $$ industries on this planet. I'd like to see common sense reign. I'd like to see wisdom reign. I'd like to see good people in control. When money is involved, the Jews will be at the forefront. Where Greed is paramount, so is sin and evil.

April 23, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.
caddy said...

ibshame stated:

"So, since you are one of the prolific Bible Thumpers around here, is it your contention Jesus meant for mankind to keep the races pure?"

Na, I'm just not an Alienist. Like Paul ( in Romans 9:1-5 ) I care deeply about my kinsman first:

You might be similar to Paul if …

  • You married within your race by default.
  • On Father's Day you call and talk to your father.
  • It makes you happy that your children look like you.
  • You can distinguish between a Great Dane and a Chihuahua, and you recognize that they differ behaviorally as well as physically.
  • You get together with your extended family at Christmas, even the unsaved members.
  • You assume that all descendants of Adam are automatically damnable sinners solely because they proceeded out of Adam's loins.
  • You identify yourself in part by the surname your father gave you.
  • You think children naturally belong to their biological parents.
  • Given the option to save either your mother or some other woman from certain death, you would save your own mother.
  • You let the neighborhood kids come over to your house to play, but you send them back to their own homes at the end of the day.
  • When you buy groceries, you typically bring them back to your family, not to the neighbor's family.
  • You have a secret family recipe that you refuse to share with foreigners.
  • You think it's okay for whites to be excluded from benefiting from the United Negro College Fund.
  • You believe that Africans were still distinguishable from Japanese, even before Darwinian evolution came on the scene.
  • You think it was important for Jesus Christ to be born into the tribe of Judah.
  • You don't fault God for prohibiting foreigners from being made king in Israel.
April 23, 2014 at 2:58 p.m.

It's refreshing to see the Klan and Nazis on the forum goosestepping for god. Get your sheets pressed boys, your fellow Aryans are in town at the courthouse this Saturday. Special guest appearance by white Jesus doing the Holy Roller shuffle, and Mr. Conservative will be offering free circumcisions to add to his foreskin necklace.

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/religifake.com/image/religion/1310/christian-burka-vik-religion-1381355843.jpg

April 23, 2014 at 3:20 p.m.
limric said...

OK. Back to the subject matter.

I read earlier that an ACLU lawyer Mark Rosenbaum said, "This case is ultimately about whether students of color in Michigan are allowed to compete on the same playing field as all other students. Today the Supreme Court said they are not,"

Hmm. This statement is patently false. A level playing field is not, and cannot be, achieved through a series of (in this case racial) preferences. And I posit the two concepts are incompatible.

Folks, you need to look into the actual history of Affirmative Action. It was originally proposed as a temporary fix, to last maybe 10-15years max. That was back in the '60s, about.....hmm well - let's see........45 years ago.

One could argue that minority kids have been fed into substandard schools. Thus, they end up unprepared for college work. Ok, but is the solution to baby them into college? No, as it skirts core educational issues, focuses blame incorrectly and it is not a fix.

If you disagree with this (and I’m sure there are many), and still advocate race-based affirmative action as a solution, then its hard refute the logic that you assume (by default) minority students of color are well.......not quite as capable as white students. Hmm……

And that would make you a – well you know.

April 23, 2014 at 3:27 p.m.

So, Alprova, blacks or only blacks if they hang around with other blacks? How much interaction is required by your standards for a black man to not be an "uncle tom" You're a bigot/racist. You will not accept that a black American would choose to be a Republican or a conservative. You and other libs are the equivalent of plantation owners. You like your "negroes" obedient. They WILL be severely dealt with if they stray from your party.

April 23, 2014 at 3:45 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Umm, I don’t think you know what Alienist means Caddy. And you are using is incorrectly.

Actually I'm not at all sure what the hell your 2:58 post was suppose to mean.

April 23, 2014 at 3:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Caddy wrote: "I think I already did, see Walter Williams Page I referenced. He's a Black man, one I highly respect."

You might respect him, but he clearly doesn't speak for an entire race of Americans, and I am quite sure most black Americans would disagree with him on almost every subject he takes a position on, including any notion that black people are enslaved by the Democrats and/or Liberals.

April 23, 2014 at 4:03 p.m.
alprova said...

Caddy wrote: "A racist is a man who honors his race, reveres his ancestry, prefers -- like virtually everyone -- to be with his own kind, and believes that his genetic inheritance is worth preserving..."

Sir, a racist is defined as one with the inherent belief that one race is genetically or physically superior to those of another race.

Your definition is nothing more than a washed down version of that which Hitler decreed and that which could have been found in the manifests of the KKK.

April 23, 2014 at 4:11 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wtrote: "So, Alprova, blacks or only blacks if they hang around with other blacks?"

Nope, but if you want to hold out Clarence Thomas, let it be known that the man has been running from his fellow blacks, his entire life. He's married to a white woman and he's a self-loathing black man.

Is that stout enough for you?

"How much interaction is required by your standards for a black man to not be an "uncle tom" You're a bigot/racist."

Why are you asking me? I don't set forth any standards.

"You will not accept that a black American would choose to be a Republican or a conservative."

Why are you putting words into my mouth that I have never uttered?

I accept and admire several conservative Republicans, and would vote for them too. Colin Powell would have had my vote had he gone through with his candidacy.

"You and other libs are the equivalent of plantation owners. You like your "negroes" obedient. They WILL be severely dealt with if they stray from your party."

Like your assessments mean a thing or even hit a mark. All you are doing is spewing typical projecting conservative garbage that very few black people begin to believe.

They know which party has their back and all the projecting in the world will never change it.

So spew away.

April 23, 2014 at 4:24 p.m.

Alprova,

"self-loathing" black man. That's the second time someone has that on here. LOL Oh, the jealous, fat, white, pasty, shriveled white man attacking a black man for having a white wife. Does that apply to Derek Jeter's Dad, and to James Earl Jones as well? Your characterization of him is a cartoon that the lib media has been tossing out for decades.

You prove exactly what I'm saying. You libs are obsessed with race.

Wooooooooo, the big scary black man is after all the white women. That's just not right, is it?

April 23, 2014 at 4:35 p.m.

"stout", alprova? The complete opposite. As if Justice Thomas having a white wife is an issue. Could it possibly be that he loves her, idiot? Too simple for you?

April 23, 2014 at 4:38 p.m.

He's "self-loathing", "self-loathing", "self-loathing" Why, because he's not a liberal? Are you self loathing, Alprova, because you're white and a liberal? You racist, any black to you who doesn't fit your stereotype of blacks is self-loathing. I bet you have a book distributed by the Democrat Party which has guidelines in it as to what each race should behave like, and what they should believe.

He's been discriminated against, lived in an era where blacks were second class citizens, lifted himself up from poverty. You, Alprova, who have all kinds of super human sympathy and empathy for illegal aliens, surely could work up some for him. But, no, he's not a liberal, and he didn't break into our country out of "love.

April 23, 2014 at 4:49 p.m.
sangaree said...

Astropig said... Justice Thomas has served with dignity and distinction.He has done a good job. He's a very private, humble guy with great personal integrity. Justice

Justice Thomas is a recipient and benefactor of Affirmative Action.

Thomas loves America and embodies the very essence of what hard work and faith in one's self can accomplish

Not according to Bush Sr. Who once said, "We picked him (for the supreme court) because, and this is an exact quote, We like the way he smiles.

April 23, 2014 at 5:22 p.m.
sangaree said...

prairie_dog said... How horrible. They cannot discriminate based upon race anymore. Wasn't that the idea?

America has always discriminated based on race. Affirmative Action has always been in place. As white Americans, AA is our birthright. We were born into it for centuries. It's been our very own special socialist and entitlement program for centuries to insure we couldn't possibly fail or have to work hard to qualify.

  • zableedofisterix said... Translation: The only good negro is a liberal/Democrat negro. All others need not apply*

Blacks like Clarence Thomas are the conservatives/Republicans own special knee-groes. They dust'em off and use'en from time to time to go after other blacks then put them back in the cage. After they're done with them they tie them to the whipping post right alongside their other slaves.

April 23, 2014 at 5:32 p.m.

Yeah, sangree, you idiot, that's the only reason he was chosen.

Bigot.

I guess you agree with that so-called quote, huh, Sangree? Ohhh them "darkies" they're lazy, but they sure gotta a nice smile, huh? They can't do anything anything on their own. They gotta have the gov. tell them what to do, or you libs. If not for you libs what would all those poor "negroes" do, huh? You libs' arrogance is beyond belief. Keep piling it on libs, keep beating up Justice Thomas because he's a black conservative. Keep on whipping!!

This country will never rise above this unless you Dems/libs, and even the GOP, stop hyphenating everything, stop the Balkanization of this country.

April 23, 2014 at 5:40 p.m.

Blacks, for the most part, live on the Democrat/liberal plantation. They get thrown scraps by liberals. You libs hate when a black person leaves your plantation and snubs you. Justice Thomas is a self-made man. Affirmative action didn't make him. He owes you nothing.

April 23, 2014 at 5:45 p.m.

The decision was 6-2, and it was correct. I'm sure if that dopey, leftist putz, Kagan, would've voted it would be 6-3. The decision was a no brainer, but Clay, that tool of the left, never misses and opportunity to attack Thomas. You libs pat blacks on the back with one hand, and carry a whip in your other hand.

April 23, 2014 at 5:50 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Fister, you are clueless man. The only time you speak highly of a "negro" (as you so eloquently put it on several occasions) is if he is an outspoken member of the GOP. But how convenient of you to forget all of your recent GOP bashing of late. You and your ilk used to speak highly of General Powell, that is until 2008. Then he became just another "negro".

On another note, I think some of Caddy's rhetoric today would be even too hateful for the Skinheads that will be in town for the rally this weekend.

April 23, 2014 at 7:05 p.m.
sangaree said...

zableedofisterix said... Yeah, sangree, you idiot, that's the only reason he was chosen.

I didn't make the comment. Nor did any "liberal" opened minded progressive. The quote came from your very own GOP-Republican Bushie Sr. when he was asked why he chose Thomas for the Supreme Court. For which Bushie Sr. replied, "We like the way he smmmiillllleessss." And what did Clarencie* do? He just stood there with that wide grin even wider like a little child getting a pat on the head. As if he didn't even catch the significance of the insult. LOL

Bigot.

Be honest, zabledolph. You only speak highly of blacks like Thomas because they hate their own race. AKA black on black racism. LMFAO!!

I guess you agree with that so-called quote, huh, Sangree? Ohhh them "darkies" they're lazy, but they sure gotta a nice smile, huh

**From your own words, more likely you agree with the quote. Just like GaussianInteger said, you only speak highly of Thomas because he speaks the language against fellow blacks your crew like to hear. You think it makes your own bigotry and hatred less poisonous and vile. And as GaussianInteger, if Thomas should ever do a General Colin Powell you'll turn on him just like your fellow GOP/Republicans turned on Powell when they realize he had opinions that didn't mesh with theirs and he was able to think outside that GOP box."

April 23, 2014 at 8:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I thank God that I did not grow up down here and for having parents who taught me that people are people, no matter the color of their skin.

There you go with a big blanket over everyone. I had parents that taught me the same and demonstrated it frequently. I doubt you are as squeaky clean as you claim.

I agree with the ruling that race is not a determinate in who can attend a college. However, MLK saw the need for early education of minorities so they would be prepared to compete equally and that has not happened as it should for many reasons that are not being addressed. Should the openings be less than applicants for any school and all valid criteria is met equally there is needed a process of selection that does not discriminate.

Affirmative action does not work and is detrimental if the criteria is different based on race in order to meet a numerical standard. Should athletic teams be required to have a quota system based on ethnicity so the high paying jobs are spread equally?

April 23, 2014 at 8:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "..."self-loathing" black man. That's the second time someone has that on here. LOL Oh, the jealous, fat, white, pasty, shriveled white man attacking a black man for having a white wife."

You don't know me, nor enough to determine what I look like.

I don't have any particular problem with him having a white wife, but he has made it clear over the years that he cares nothing about blacks.

Therefore, he wears the label very well as a self-loathing black man.

"Does that apply to Derek Jeter's Dad, and to James Earl Jones as well?"

I have no idea who or what either is married to, so the answer to your question is No, it does not apply as far as I'm concerned. I've never seen either of them make public statements against black people. Have You?

"Your characterization of him is a cartoon that the lib media has been tossing out for decades."

Where there is smoke, there is surely a fire.

I have no problem with many black Republicans, but Clarence Thomas only claim to being black is skin deep. He has forgotten where he came from.

You prove exactly what I'm saying. You libs are obsessed with race.

Wooooooooo, the big scary black man is after all the white women. That's just not right, is it?

April 23, 2014 at 9:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Could it possibly be that he loves her, idiot? Too simple for you?"

Well for her sake, I hope he does love her. It would be a shame if all she is to him is a trophy.

April 23, 2014 at 9:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Are you self loathing, Alprova, because you're white and a liberal?"

No. Why would I? I like who I am and what I stand for.

"You racist, any black to you who doesn't fit your stereotype of blacks is self-loathing."

Absolutely and categorically untrue. Clarence Thomas is very much self-loathing. He's a hypocrite of the highest order and always has been.

These charges are not new. They have been saddling him since before the day he took his place on the Supreme Court Bench.

"I bet you have a book distributed by the Democrat Party which has guidelines in it as to what each race should behave like, and what they should believe."

Sir, there is no such book. Remember, your assessments are meaningless and without a minute's worth of foundation.

"He's been discriminated against, lived in an era where blacks were second class citizens, lifted himself up from poverty."

All with the help of affirmative action, which he now considers something that "cheapens" his law degree. Unbelievable!!

It's as if he is admitting that he did nothing to deserve that law degree. Did he or didn't he?

"You, Alprova, who have all kinds of super human sympathy and empathy for illegal aliens, surely could work up some for him."

Why? Thanks to affirmative action, he has had advantages granted to him that for outweigh any that have come my way. What possible sympathy does he deserve? Who discriminated against him?

Looks to me like he bypassed rungs on a ladder that most people have to grasp and tug themselves up. He escalated up that ladder two rungs at a time, and you believe he deserves an ounce of sympathy?

"But, no, he's not a liberal, and he didn't break into our country out of "love."

Talk to your fellow Republican, Jeb Bush. He's the one who said it. I think he's 100% correct, but it's his statement.

April 23, 2014 at 10 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Blacks, for the most part, live on the Democrat/liberal plantation."

You can type it a thousand times and the fact will remain that blacks are going to keep voting for Democrats, save for the few that Republicans can round up as tokens.

"They get thrown scraps by liberals."

If that were so, you'd think you'd be able to convince them that Republicans have more to offer them. Hell...many would love to have a job, but those fine Republican employers keep turning them down for a job, and now they will have even more of a reason to keep turning them down, won't they?

"Justice Thomas is a self-made man. Affirmative action didn't make him. He owes you nothing."

Who said he owes anyone anything? The fact remains that he is where he is in life due to the hand up that ladder he received as a result of affirmative action.

You can deny it all you want, but that will not change the truth.

April 23, 2014 at 10:09 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "There you go with a big blanket over everyone. I had parents that taught me the same and demonstrated it frequently. I doubt you are as squeaky clean as you claim."

What gives you any reason to doubt my statement? It was not a blanket about EVERYONE ELSE but myself, but if the shoe fits...

"I agree with the ruling that race is not a determinate in who can attend a college."

It's an open ticket to return to the days when the only chance blacks have of getting a higher education will be to attend a black college.

Wait and see.

"However, MLK saw the need for early education of minorities so they would be prepared to compete equally and that has not happened as it should for many reasons that are not being addressed."

That Sir, is a separate issue from this one.

"Should the openings be less than applicants for any school and all valid criteria is met equally there is needed a process of selection that does not discriminate."

And how many successful lawsuits do you really believe will be pursued to force an equalization?

"Affirmative action does not work and is detrimental if the criteria is different based on race in order to meet a numerical standard."

You live in a world of total fantasy if you believe that discrimination will not re-root itself.

"Should athletic teams be required to have a quota system based on ethnicity so the high paying jobs are spread equally?"

You offer that, as if it were currently skewed against white folk now. I'll bet you believe it too.

April 23, 2014 at 10:20 p.m.

Dead wrong, Alprova. Affirmative action didn't make the man, he's self-made. You sound like BO, "you didn't build that"

The SCOTUS Ruled 6 - 2. Deal with it.

April 23, 2014 at 11:42 p.m.

Where's the evidence that Thomas hates his own race? You libs are dishonest. So, if he was a liberal Democrat then he loves his race? "Self loathing" "married to white woman" You libs ooze racism and stereoptypes. Insulting.

Clarence Thomas endured racism, and ends up being a conservative. THAT, THAT drives you libs crazy. If he was a spitting angry racist bully, Deomcrat, like Al Sharpton, the correct kind of "negroe", then he's be ok.

You think Thomas is an Uncle Tom because he's a conservative who is married to a white women. That's what I get from all of your posts. Conclusions of libs on this forum: Black men who marry white women hate their race, blacks who are not Democrats are Uncle Toms or the equivalent of runaway slaves, and blacks who don't hang around mostly with other blacks are self-loathing/not real blacks.

The reason blacks continue to vote for Democrats can be summed up in two words, stockholm syndrome.

Alprova, if you think the millions of blacks unemployed are glad to see your precious, loving, illegal aliens slink into our country and get rewarded, you're nuts. you

April 24, 2014 at 12:02 a.m.

Some of the most racist folks I've ever run across are from up north. Alprova, you're glad you didn't grow up down here, huh? Once again, you're a typical lib, pushing people into groups, dividing them and perpetuating conflict for gain

Posting that because Thomas is married to a white woman is some type of proof of his self-loathing is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on here.

April 24, 2014 at 12:19 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Dead wrong, Alprova. Affirmative action didn't make the man, he's self-made. You sound like BO, "you didn't build that".."

There is no way that the man would not be where he is, despite his own loathing of Yale University and his hard work, had it not been for affirmative action.

Now that is a fact, despite your own personal assessment.

He has worked very hard to forget his poor existence growing up in Savannah, Georgia, which is fine and dandy, and he has done it by turning his back completely on those who come from just as poor an existence as he once lived in.

I have no problem with the man other than his obvious detesting for other people who share his same skin color.

Whether or not he means to, he exudes an aura that basically states that he is better than most black people, and that is why he is not liked by most black people and some white people.

"The SCOTUS Ruled 6 - 2. Deal with it."

You don't seem to get it. That decision has not an ounce of bearing on my life whatsoever. I'm set for the rest of my life.

But the ruling is a mistake and eventually it will be reversed, mark my word.

April 24, 2014 at 12:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Where's the evidence that Thomas hates his own race?"

Hate is too strong a word. The man detests low class blacks.

"You libs are dishonest. So, if he was a liberal Democrat then he loves his race?"

Not necessarily at all. I know many Liberal bigots too.

Your mistake is to brand EVERY Liberal by your broad brush.

"..."Self loathing" "married to white woman" You libs ooze racism and stereoptypes. Insulting."

Your faux outrage is noted for the record, but you can't refute it.

"Clarence Thomas endured racism, and ends up being a conservative. THAT, THAT drives you libs crazy."

Not at all. All it proves is the man decided if he couldn't beat them, he would join them. He's written many times that he wanted the riches that white people had...fancy cars...money...the works.

"If he was a spitting angry racist bully, Deomcrat, like Al Sharpton, the correct kind of "negroe", then he's be ok."

How many people who align themselves with Liberalism do you see standing up for Al Sharpton? None that I've ever seen.

"You think Thomas is an Uncle Tom because he's a conservative who is married to a white women. That's what I get from all of your posts."

I can't help you with your propensity to jump to outrageous conclusions. Your certainly not going to be able to quote me stating any of the things you accuse me of.

"Conclusions of libs on this forum: Black men who marry white women hate their race, blacks who are not Democrats are Uncle Toms or the equivalent of runaway slaves, and blacks who don't hang around mostly with other blacks are self-loathing/not real blacks."

Really? I'd love for you to dig up proof of that being typed by a soul but yourself in this forum...ever.

"The reason blacks continue to vote for Democrats can be summed up in two words, stockholm syndrome."

You've lost your mind. But hey...you don't have to convince me of a thing. You're going to have to convince the vast majority of black Americans that Republicans have their best interests at heart, and that is not going to happen in the next 100 years.

"Alprova, if you think the millions of blacks unemployed are glad to see your precious, loving, illegal aliens slink into our country and get rewarded, you're nuts."

Well I'll tell you what. When they start protesting and come down on the side against illegal immigration, and start voting for Republicans, you be sure to get back to me on that.

LMAO!!

April 24, 2014 at 12:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Some of the most racist folks I've ever run across are from up north. Alprova, you're glad you didn't grow up down here, huh? Once again, you're a typical lib, pushing people into groups, dividing them and perpetuating conflict for gain"

Sir...what have I got to gain from any of this? Just so you know, I grew up mainly in the West and Southwest. I was only born up North. We left there when I was two weeks old.

"Posting that because Thomas is married to a white woman is some type of proof of his self-loathing is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on here."

After all the crap you've posted about our President, do you think I'm even the least bit perturbed by that?

You Sir, are the poster child of ignorance and you display it on a daily basis.

April 24, 2014 at 12:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

"Should athletic teams be required to have a quota system based on ethnicity so the high paying jobs are spread equally?"

alprova said...You offer that, as if it were currently skewed against white folk now. I'll bet you believe it too.

It is not skewed against whites it is strictly based on who is most qualified, competitive and can best perform the job. Those making the effort to prepare and develop their ability wind up getting the position. You seem to have a problem with that and take exception with the SCOTUS for disagreeing with you.

The point you seem to miss is once to the college and work level people should have had the opportunity to prepare and compete so they are the preferred candidate without needing to be favored due to ethnicity.

Your attack on Thomas appears to be because he agreed with five other members on the question of whether Michigan had to consider race in their admissions process. Do you advocate reducing the standards for minorities in order to assure there is a specified number hired, promoted etc?

alprova said....There is no way that the man would not be where he is, despite his own loathing of Yale University and his hard work, had it not been for affirmative action.

Now that is a fact, despite your own personal assessment.

alprova, your opinion doesn't mean it is a fact! How can you or anyone prove he could not have been successful without affirmative action? The civil rights act and offering equal opportunity did in fact open doors for minorities that had not been available to them. Once the opportunity was there many, including Thomas, took advantage of it with hard work and personal effort. Affirmative action may have affected the route but was not the source of success.

April 24, 2014 at 7:19 a.m.
ibshame said...

"fairmon said... ... The civil rights act and offering equal opportunity did in fact open doors for minorities that had not been available to them. Once the opportunity was there many, including Thomas, took advantage of it with hard work and personal effort. Affirmative action may have affected the route but was not the source of success."

So, the fact Barack Obama was also admitted to Harvard as a result of AA does not mean he didn't work hard and put forth personal effort to get the prestigious honor of Editor of the Harvard Law Review or is there a different standard for Barack Obama?

April 24, 2014 at 8:26 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote:? "It is not skewed against whites it is strictly based on who is most qualified, competitive and can best perform the job."

Sports is about the only non-discriminatory place where a black man or woman, in some cases, has an equal shot at achieving success.

It's quite a bit different out here in the real world, and everyone knows it.

"Those making the effort to prepare and develop their ability wind up getting the position. You seem to have a problem with that and take exception with the SCOTUS for disagreeing with you."

I've made it clear that the ruling doesn't affect my life one way or the other, but it will affect many lives of current minorities who will not make their way through the maze of higher education and into jobs that will lift them out of the poverty barrel, even if they have done their part to qualify for those slots.

There are STILL a great many bigoted people who will overlook minorities, just because they are now allowed to.

"Your attack on Thomas appears to be because he agreed with five other members on the question of whether Michigan had to consider race in their admissions process. Do you advocate reducing the standards for minorities in order to assure there is a specified number hired, promoted etc?"

Yes...until the day ever comes when there are people who do not discriminate against qualified minorities due to bigotry.

We've come a great deal in terms of race over the past 50 years, but we've still got a long way to go, and the level of disrespect for our President proves that conclusively.

alprova said....There is no way that the man would not be where he is, despite his own loathing of Yale University and his hard work, had it not been for affirmative action.

"alprova, your opinion doesn't mean it is a fact! How can you or anyone prove he could not have been successful without affirmative action?"

The man was from Savannah, Georgia. What chance would he have had to enter Yale Law School without affirmative action?

"The civil rights act and offering equal opportunity did in fact open doors for minorities that had not been available to them."

Those doors had to be FORCED open and wedged with a foot in them, and you watch, with every erosion of affirmative action, we will be set back more and more.

"Once the opportunity was there many, including Thomas, took advantage of it with hard work and personal effort. Affirmative action may have affected the route but was not the source of success."

I have not challenged the fact that he worked, but without affirmative action, he might well have been merely a high school honor student who graduated with honors and may have wound up working at the Port of Savannah unloading ships.

April 24, 2014 at 9:06 a.m.
GameOn said...
April 24, 2014 at 9:34 a.m.
caddy said...

RE: Mickey Rat

The definition of Alienism is simple, Mickey. I think Sobran understood it too.

Joseph Sobran defined Alienism as “a prejudice in favor of the alien, the marginal, the dispossessed, the eccentric, reaching an extreme in the attempt to ‘build a new society’ by destroying the basic institutions of the native. The most terrible fulfillment of this principle is Communism.” In Christianity, our responsibility to others is governed by relationship, such that we have a greater responsibility to our own family, race, town, state, region, and country, than we do to “the other”. Christians should favor the native and the normal over the alien and the novel. Nevertheless, it is undeniable that a great many of my fellow Christians today have given themselves over to strange affections of one variety or another.

April 24, 2014 at 9:45 a.m.
caddy said...

Affirmative Action is the shoving of Egalitarianism down our throats. Dumbing down our society is the main effect.

April 24, 2014 at 9:52 a.m.
caddy said...

Alprova stated:

"Sir, a racist is defined as one with the inherent belief that one race is genetically or physically superior to those of another race."

  1. Spiritually speaking, All men are woefully undone, fallen, sinful, deserving of death and hell. In that respect: ALL men are the same, all races, tribes, people groups. Of course you would not agree with that statement though would you ?

  2. Blacks are genetically and physically superior at 100m & 200m Races. Do the research. When is the last time you saw a white boy win in those races ? What is the % of Blacks in the NFL compared to whites ? Care to venture what they might be ? So yes, Blacks are generally physically superior as a Race in many sports that require Strength and Bursts of Speed.

On the whole, speaking of Race, Asians are smarter than Whites and whites are smarter than blacks. Maybe you would like to do more research to show us how many Asians and Whites head up fortune 500 companies vs the number of Blacks, or those who teach as professors in colleges, or hold advanced degrees. There are scores of statistics and real world examples of this, but I suspect you already know this in your head..and gut, even if you are a panty-wasted politically correct SOB.

So, get your facts Straight when you make the asinine statement that Races have no inherit traits that make them better, faster, stronger, smarter ... as a whole. Reality shows you to be a dullard in this department. You can play the politically correct card all day long, but when the majority of Slam Dunks in the NBA is dominated by Red Bearded Scots then I'll be glad to eat crow on that day.

Racism is simply the preferring of one race over another. The Apostle Paul desired the salvation of his own race ( the Hebrews ) to a greater degree than the salvation of others. Therefore racism ,given this definition, is no sin. See Romans 9

April 24, 2014 at 10:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Caddy, your post deserves no response whatsoever, and all you have proven is you are in the running for the position as a Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan.

Shame on you.

April 24, 2014 at 10:23 a.m.
ibshame said...

"caddy said... Racism is simply the preferring of one race over another. The Apostle Paul desired the salvation of his own race ( the Hebrews ) to a greater degree than the salvation of others. Therefore racism ,given this definition, is no sin. See Romans 9"

Leave it to one of your type of "christian" to showcase why people are turned away from religion. It's been said people can use the Bible to find whatever they want to justify their beliefs, even Satan has used it to his advantage. Your statement and interpretation of the writings of Paul have illustrated that concept perfectly.

April 24, 2014 at 10:28 a.m.
caddy said...

Just answer the questions Alprova as to %'s in Professional sports ( NBA, NFL, Track & Field ). Dumb smucks like you watch NBC, CNN and have bought in since the 60s. Got to love the P.C Sheep.

It's taken its toll on our society. You are part of the problem. Now go look up Egalitarian in the dictionary.

April 24, 2014 at 10:36 a.m.
caddy said...

ibshame, let's be honest here. The reason WHY you are turned away from Faith in Christ is simple because you are dead in your sins and prefer unbelief as to truth and faith. God has a people from every tribe tongue and people group, yes, from every race.

You don't believe because you prefer an order that permits Sin and forbids freedom. Simple concept. You see God's law as tyranny because it is a control on YOUR sin whereas you prefer controls on freedom and a license to Sin.

April 24, 2014 at 10:40 a.m.

Here on this thread the double standard and hypocrisy of libs on display.

The way Justice Thomas is treated and viewed by libs like Alprova, ibshame, and the rest, is solid proof that racism is perpetuated by libs, and that they're racists.

Justice Thomas to liberals is just a dumb, lucky, grinning, self- loathing, "negroe" who has to be put back in his place. Translation: We're going to teach you a lesson boy! You're going to get a whippin' for leaving the Democrat Party plantation.

April 24, 2014 at 10:56 a.m.

Alprova, it doesn't get any more racist than you tossing out there a connection between Thomas'"self-loathing" and his marriage to a white woman. Unbelievable.

April 24, 2014 at 11:02 a.m.
ibshame said...

"caddy said... ibshame, let's be honest here. The reason WHY you are turned away from Faith in Christ is simple because you are dead in your sins and prefer unbelief as to truth and faith."

No, I'm turned away from racists and racism. I could care less about what you think of my so-called "sins." Someone like you could never write or say anything that would turn me away from my faith in God. See, I believe faith is a personal thing but I also believe people like you and ConMan are nothing more than HYPOCRITES. No doubt there's a place of honor just waiting for the two of you in hell.

Now slither back under the rock from which you emerged.

April 24, 2014 at 11:22 a.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... Here on this thread the double standard and hypocrisy of libs on display.

Double standard and hypocrisy of lies, right. Like you saying the Affordable Care Act was worse than the Viet Nam War. That kind of double standard? You wouldn't know a double standard if it walked up and slapped you in the face.

The way Justice Thomas is treated and viewed by libs like Alprova, ibshame, and the rest, is solid proof that racism is perpetuated by libs, and that they're racists.

Clarence Thomas is and will always be a DISGRACE TO THE MEMORY OF THURGOOD MARSHALL. YES, THOMAS IS THE BENEFICIARY OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. IT'S THE ONLY REASON HE MADE IT TO THE USSC IN THE FIRST PLACE. PRESIDENT G.H.W. BUSH NEEDED AN AFRICAN AMERICAN TO PUT ON THE BENCH TO REPLACE RETIRING THURGOOD MARSHALL, SO HE WAS GIVEN THE NAME CLARENCE THOMAS. HE DIDN'T KNOW JACK ABOUT THOMAS AND THAT ALL CAME OUT DURING THE HEARINGS. IN OTHER WORDS LIKE JOHN McCAIN DID WHEN HE CHOSE SARAH PALIN. THOMAS WAS NEVER PROPERLY VETTED. ALL OF HIS PAST FORAYS INTO PORNOGRAPHY AND SEXUAL HARRASMENT WERE UNKNOWN UNTIL THE ACTUAL HEARINGS. THE DEMOCRATS LET BUSH HAVE THOMAS BECAUSE SO MANY OF THEM HAD DONE THE SAME THINGS HE WAS ACCUSED OF DOING TO WOMEN WHO WORKED FOR THEM AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THEIR DIRTY LAUNDRY AIRED FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.

Justice Thomas to liberals is just a dumb, lucky, grinning, self- loathing, "negroe" who has to be put back in his place. Translation: We're going to teach you a lesson boy! You're going to get a whippin' for leaving the Democrat Party plantation.

Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell are all cut from the same cloth. Affirmative Action got them in the front door but they left out the back door as most Uncle Toms are prone to do. The only time they are trotted out by Conservatives is when they are looking for someone to hold up as African Americans who share their conservative viewpoints: Mainly "negroes" are to blame for their own poverty, lack of education and well-being. Thomas, Williams and Sowell are only too happy to provide that litany as so-called 'CONSERVATIVE BLACKS.'

As for Thomas's marriage to a white woman, who cares what color she is? This is a man who had to rent porn and was always making sexual innuendos in the workplace. He's lucky he got a woman, regardless of her color to even consider marrying him.

April 24, 2014 at 11:43 a.m.

Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher and good Christian fundamentalist, had these words to say about "negroes" yesterday.

"And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

To the Christian fundamentalists on this forum, is he correct? Do you agree?

The Bible condones slavery. If you believe in a literal Bible as some god's divine word and commandments, and you claim to follow it literally (that's a hoot), then should slavery be allowed? Of course as long as it's someone else in slavery, not you or your family as someone's got to be the massa and sit on the porch.

April 24, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
ibshame said...

Yep, Good Ole Boy Bundy has his Repub supporters like Rand Paul running away from him today. Yesterday's hero has become today's goat. LOL

April 24, 2014 at 11:51 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Caddy is one demented, miserable human being. A man that "proclaims" to be a practicing Christian with so much hate in his heart. It's like proclaiming to love animals and then going home and kicking the sh!t out of your dog for peeing on the rug. If I viewed the world as he (ConMan or Orr) does, I think I'd blow my brains out.

April 24, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.
caddy said...

Ibshame

well, you see, that statement just doesn't "line up" with Scripture. There are plenty of "alienist" believers, people who buy into all the diversity mantras of today. Truth is: Before 1960 it was not only frowned upon intermarry, but illegal.

Today: Sky's the limit. It's not frowned upon at all, and while I would stop short of calling it sin, I would say it's unwise. Marriage is difficult enough as it is: Throw two people together of different cultures, races--and you have a recipe for disaster. But we will leave that for another thread.

What is exposed is your statement that you don't come to faith due to racism. That's laughable, insanely laughable. This country LOVES it when you marry a person of other races or same sex. Soon they will be allowing Muslim type behavior of even marrying underage children. There are plenty of "professing believers" who think said behavior is in line with Biblical Christianity. So, don't tell that you don't come to the faith because of people like me. You don't come to the faith because you LIKE your sin. You don't come to faith because, like all other men, before God draws them to Himself, you hate him--even as you deny He exists.

Your ill-logic is easily exposed. As for Hypocrisy: funny how it's ONLY the believers who are guilty of Hypocrisy. The Unbelievers, like yourself, can't be guilty of anything, right ? You can't be guilty of Hypocrisy or Sin ( according to you ) because there IS no Sin in the World and there is no such thing as "Evil." If you say there is: it is a definition of your own making or one you've adopted due to what the STATE has told you.

Dumbass sheep is what you are. Dumber than a box of rocks. You can certainly run your Yap though in this place....

April 24, 2014 at 12:12 p.m.
caddy said...

Here's what Bundy said:

“They [negroes] abort their young children,[ True statement ] they put their young men in jail [ true statement ]

Local Proof:

Bundy said over the weekend, according to the Times. “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

That is the truth. If you read the slave narratives the negroes actually report that they were better off picking cotton than they were as 'freemen.'

Truth be told: The contingent of Blacks that are on the government coffers are INDEED more enslaved -- to their father -- the government -- than they ever were under the Old South.

April 24, 2014 at 12:22 p.m.
caddy said...

Even Augustine of Old would concur:

St. Augustine, the noblest representative of the Latin church, in his profound work on the “City of God,” excludes slavery from the original idea of man and the final condition of society, and views it as an evil consequent upon sin, yet under divine direction and control. For God, he says, created man reasonable and lord only over the unreasonable, not over man. The burden of servitude was justly laid upon the sinner. Therefore the term servant is not found in the Scriptures till Noah used it as a curse upon his offending son. Thus it was guilt and not nature that deserved that name. The Latin word servus is supposed to be derived from servare [servire rather], or the preservation of the prisoners of war from death, which itself implies the desert of sin. For even in a just war there is sin on one side, and every victory humbles the conquered by divine judgment, either reforming their sins or punishing them. Daniel saw in the sins of the people the real cause of their captivity. Sin, therefore, is the mother of servitude and first cause of man’s subjection to man; yet this does not come to pass except by the judgment of God, with whom there is no injustice, and who knows how to adjust the various punishments to the merits of the offenders .... The apostle exhorts the servants to obey their masters and to serve them ex animo, with good will; to the end that, if they cannot be made free from their masters, they may make their servitude a freedom to themselves by serving them not in deceitful fear, but in faithful love, until iniquity be overpassed, and all man’s principality and power be annulled, and God be all in all.205

April 24, 2014 at 12:22 p.m.
caddy said...

In reaction to the legacy of racism that has long been directed toward blacks, many liberals have adopted the emotionally secure(but intellectually indefensible) position of egalitarianism, the view that equality in the sight of God means sameness in the sight of man. This is the facts-be-damned approach. But there is no effective way to address racial hatreds by insisting that everyone ( all together now ) start denying the obvious. All men exhibit the image of God equally, but all cultures are not equal. As we look at all the tribes of men, we see some that have landed a man on the moon, and some that have not yet worked out the concept of the wheel. We have some with one whole row in the supermarket dedicated to shampoo, while in another tribe hair is washed in cow urine. We have orchestras playing The Brandenburg Concertos compared to someone beating on a hollow log with a couple of sticks. Now I am fully aware that to assert the superiority of one culture over another is enough to convict me of the charge of racism ( as it is currently defined ) in the minds of many. And I grant that it is quite possible that someone could argue for cultural superiority as a coded way of asserting the innate superiority of those individuals ( and their genes! ) who make up that superior culture.

But while some may have done this, it is not at all what I am doing here. For those who do not want to listen to the argument, I have nothing more to say. For some, the mere denial of egalitarianism is enough to brand one as a racist forever, and since I am interested in taunting egalitarianism every chance I get, I have little hope of gaining their favor. But the root of my denial of egalitarianism is my belief in the superiority of the grace of God over and against every form of human works. The only true antithesis is between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. The Christian faith is “superior” (being true and all), and so it brings blessings with it.

It is a fact that there is a wide disparity ( of refinement and achievement ) between cultures. One problem that results from this disparity, according to a Christian worldview, is that those who embrace this fact tend to attribute it to their own innate worth. They give the whole thing a false cause. And those who would deny that particular folly do so by embracing another, which is to deny that there is any disparity worth mentioning.

April 24, 2014 at 12:27 p.m.
caddy said...

2.

But there are such disparities, and they are present because of the uneven progress of the gospel throughout the world. Everything that we enjoy culturally is simply the grace of God. What do we of “the West” have that we did not receive as a gift? And if as a gift, then why do we boast as though it were not a gift (1 Cor. 4:7)? Before the gospel came to my ancestors, what were we whites ( without alleged soo-perior genetics ) doing with ourselves? Well, we were painting ourselves blue and running naked into battle. We would undergo warp spasms in order to fight in a completely gonzo condition. We were living in huts with thatched roofs and cooking our food over animal dung. If I were offered a pot of that food today, the chances are pretty good that I would not be interested in eating it. We routinely conducted human sacrifice. We would capture Roman engines of warfare and be completely clueless about how to operate them. In a short word, we were barbarians, savages. So what transformed northern Europe, which was every bit as dark as the worst you might dig up in Africa’s history? The answer is the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ, crucified and risen. As the Christian faith transformed Europe ( and the loss of it is deforming it back again ), so the Christian faith is in the process of transforming Africa. As a postmillennialist, I look forward to the time when the cathedrals, symphonies, and literature of Africa will put to shame the current achievements of dead white guys—not to take anything away from them, but there is a lot past seventh grade awaiting all human cultures in Christ. So white supremacists are like that kid in seventh grade, absolutizing the present moment for all the wrong reasons. Doug Wilson, Black & Tan

April 24, 2014 at 12:27 p.m.

They're are no sins. Sin is strictly a theological word that outside of religion has no factual basis.

There is right and wrong, as well as good and evil. Most of the evil comes from religious fundamentalists.

There is no god as projected by simple-minded religious fundamentalists. Who wants or needs such a small-minded murdering deity except those who choose to murder, enslave, steal, and rape in that god's name?

Good and evil will always exist. But there's no deities, no saviors. Not one of the thousands of gods proposed since the beginning of humanity has ever been proved. Evolution works; gods don't.

When there's evidence of a deity I'll take a look at that evidence. But the Bible is not evidence of anything — not history, not science, not morality.

April 24, 2014 at 12:32 p.m.

BO care is will affect more people than the Vietnam war. It will affect their lives more personally. That's right ibshame. It's sticking the governments ugly fingers into our personal business, and it will cost us a lot in many, many ways.

Look at you libs and your act. You always do that. Bringing up Bundy, doesn't take away from your racist comments regarding Justice Thomas. You libs think you're the only ones who have a right to utter the word "slave", or black, etc. You're arrogant.

April 24, 2014 at 1:17 p.m.

Alprova's comments regarding Thomas' "self-loathing" and his white is far more offensive than what Bundy said.

April 24, 2014 at 1:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Caddy wrote: "Just answer the questions Alprova as to %'s in Professional sports ( NBA, NFL, Track & Field ). Dumb smucks like you watch NBC, CNN and have bought in since the 60s. Got to love the P.C Sheep."

The question is non-relevant to this issue. It deserves no answer or opinion from myself.

"It's taken its toll on our society. You are part of the problem. Now go look up Egalitarian in the dictionary."

No SIR. Your kind of thinking IS THE ENTIRE problem, you blatant bigot.

April 24, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.
Astropig said...

Has it struck anybody else here that the left wing haters on this board are using the EXACT same argument against Justice Thomas that the right wing haters used to hurl at the trailblazers in their companies,their church,their schools? "He only got here because of affirmative action"...Now that we've gone full circle and the left is using hate to divide the races and classes,it really is time for AA to end.

April 24, 2014 at 1:49 p.m.
caddy said...

ALPROVA ! It's always "non-relevant" when it doesn't fit your P.C / Progressive, Dumb as a Box of Rocks Logic.

You probably wear Panties instead of Boxers I bet.

April 24, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.
caddy said...

Astropig is on the right track ! Both Liberal Nut Job Progressives and GOP Big Government Cronies want to Run your life.

Sorry, but I see FEW truly good men in office. The Best we had was Ron Paul. His son is but a shadow of who he is.

90 Mph towards the Cliff with Liberal Dems. 70 Mph Towards the SAME Cliff with GOP Big Government.

Enjoy the Ride Folks.

We could be a Banana Republic before our Kids reach old age.

Even in this: God is Sovereign. Rome wasn't built in a day and it took a few hundred years for it to fall / crumble from the inside.

April 24, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Caddy, you are a racist P.O.S. Do the planet a favor and leave already.

April 24, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.
caddy said...

Gauss. I bet you wear Astopigs Pink Panties too...when he's not wearing them. Two Dumber than a stick in the Mud Government Sheeple.

April 24, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.
caddy said...

Gauss, what's YOUR definition of "racist" ? Is it the same lame definition ALprova gave ? His was summarily shown stupid and illogical, even untrue when you look at the facts. Put on your Pink panties and give it a stab.

If we are "all the same" try explaining that to the Black Sickle Cell patient. See if he buys your stupidity.

April 24, 2014 at 2:43 p.m.
caddy said...

”If you choose to lump all flowers together, lilies and dahlias and tulips and chrysanthemums, and call them daisies, you will find that you have spoiled the very fine word daisy… [I]t is barbaric and reactionary to destroy cultural distinctions between one thing and another; because it is like rubbing out all the lines of a fine drawing.” ~ G.K. Chesterton, incorrigible racist

April 24, 2014 at 2:50 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... Alprova's comments regarding Thomas' "self-loathing" and his white is far more offensive than what Bundy said.'

Just like you saying the ACA will cost us a lot in many, many ways once again shows just how stupidly naive some people can be. Viet Nam cost the lives of over 50,000 U.S. soldiers. It was a war that should never have been started in the first place just like the war in Iraq. So far the ACA has not been responsible for anyone losing his/her life. However, prior to the ACA there were thousands who faced DEATH, bankruptcy, financial burdens etc. because they were denied basic health insurance, thus benefits by the insurance companies. So your petty argument against ACA is simple, unfounded and mostly based on your views of Barack Obama. Nothing like a self-righteous teabagger except maybe a rabid racist like Caddy.

Thomas is the one who claimed the members of the Senate(who were trying to get to the bottom of the accusations against him) were guilty of what he called "HIGH TECH LYNCHING." He is the one who played the race card and the rest backed off because of their own indiscretions with their female employees and God forbid they be accused of being racists especially after G.H.W. Bush had run one of the most racist ads(Willie Horton) in defeating Michael Dukasis in 1988. Repubs weren't going to have that albatross hung around their necks again at least not for the 1992 election.

Your ignorance on history is astounding, most of the time you're just spouting off bullsh*t of which you have no knowledge whatsoever and each time it becomes more and more apparent that the old adage it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth(or in your case, write something) and remove all doubt applies to you. Once again you have the audacity to write Bundy saying "negroes" were better off as slaves on the plantation is somehow not as racist as Al talking about Thomas' self-loathing.

No one gives two cents about the color of the woman Clarence Thomas married. As I stated earlier, he's lucky he got any woman to marry him whether she was White, Black, Brown, or Yellow. Any man who spends most of his time renting Porn because he can't get dates with women has a problem to begin with. Then when he does get a date, he turns the topic of the conversation to the character in one of his porn movies "Long Dong Silver"(by the way that tidbit is in the Congressional Record). That alone says he has a Self-Esteem problem.

You should stop while you're behind in trying to defend Clarence Thomas. Colin Powell is a Black Republican. At this very moment if you asked leaders of the African American Community who they had more respect for Powell or Thomas, you would get an overwhelming response it would be Powell and that has zilch to do with Powell being a member of any party or a lib.

April 24, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.

"Caddy wrote: "That is the truth. If you read the slave narratives the negroes actually report that they were better off picking cotton than they were as 'freemen.'"

Yes, they loved being whipped, raped, bound in chains, and their children taken away.

"Why Lordy, Massa Caddy, you gwine be wanting you some slaves to keep yo white sheets pressed and pointy."

Christian fundamentalist have gone from "Kill a Commie for Christ" to "Slavery — the Cotton Picker-Upper".

Caddy's pressing his little brownshirt, polishing his boots, and working on his "Sieg Heil" for his Saturday at the courthouse with his Detroit buddies.

Pray real loud Caddy, wave the flag, and thank your god for gas chambers and ovens. And thank the baby Jesus for making you white.

April 24, 2014 at 3:15 p.m.
limric said...

I’m sorry Caddy (no I’m not!) but your statement: ”ibshame, let's be honest here. The reason WHY you are turned away from Faith in Christ is simple because you are dead in your sins and prefer unbelief as to truth and faith.” drove me off the edge.

However -- I do have to give Ibshame credit for not coming down on you and your ilk like John Henry’s hammer. He’s much nicer than I.

I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me. NONE! There’s nothing complicated about it and I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of its way to insult, to judge and to condemn everyone not just like you as inadequate human beings; which your religion does with self-righteous gusto. When it comes to insults, your religion started it – not the other way around. If you religious nincompoops kept your big mouths shut, so would we. But given that none of you ever do, and given the enormous harm that your religion has done in this world, I’d say that devout Atheists like me (Ooo is that an oxymoron?) have not only a right but a duty to insult it, as does every rational thinking person on this planet. In fact, I propose that it be compulsory for everyone to insult your religion at least once a day.

The moment you start spouting your scripture-based opinion about what people should believe or the values I or others should hold or especially the morals, then you can expect to be graphically and comprehensively insulted for your trouble and I sincerely hope it hurts your feelings, harms your personal well-being and damages your self-image to the extent that you have to have a lie down before you can even prey. (spelling is correct)

I can assure you that I and other rational beings hold the view expressed above with a passion and a solemn intensity that can match anything that you’ve got to offer.

I’m sure you understand.

Peace.

PS thanks Pat ;-)

April 24, 2014 at 3:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Alprova, it doesn't get any more racist than you tossing out there a connection between Thomas'"self-loathing" and his marriage to a white woman. Unbelievable."

Well I'll tell you what. See if you can steal the man away from his white wife, be gay, and become a good Democrat.

I think you'll be much more happy that way.

April 24, 2014 at 3:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Alprova's comments regarding Thomas' "self-loathing" and his white is far more offensive than what Bundy said."

So be offended, if you must, but I have noticed that you cannot refute it with statements coming from his mouth that he just loves his roots.

The man has publicly been running from his roots his entire life, wanting what white people had, and he pow-wowed with whites his entire adult life.

He's a Republican token black and he plays his part well. Look what he got in exchange for doing so.

April 24, 2014 at 3:52 p.m.
alprova said...

ra·cism [ráy sìzzəm]

1.animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races

2.belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior

April 24, 2014 at 3:55 p.m.
Astropig said...

@AL said:

"animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races"

Also by Al (in the same 10 minute time span)-

"He's a Republican token black "

"wanting what white people had, and he pow-wowed with whites his entire adult life.'

And this priceless little gem:

"There is no way that the man would not be where he is, despite his own loathing of Yale University and his hard work, had it not been for affirmative action. "

I thought that the Nazi's were not due in here until next week.

April 24, 2014 at 4:15 p.m.
Astropig said...

@IBshame-2:53 P.M.

Dude, get some help for your anger. Seriously.

April 24, 2014 at 4:28 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth, why not just keep your former indentity? You're fooling no one.

April 24, 2014 at 4:30 p.m.
alprova said...

You people rally around your token black Republican, if it makes you warm and fuzzy.

The man is not going to draw blacks to Republican candidates at all. He's one of the most hated black leaders in this nation by people sharing his same skin color.

So arguing with your fellow whites, who obviously see the man for what he is, is a complete waste of your time, but it is your time to waste.

April 24, 2014 at 4:33 p.m.
Astropig said...

@Al-(Sorry, Oberststurmbannfuhrer AL)

" most hated black leaders in this nation by people sharing his same skin color."

I'm glad we finally found a white person that speaks for just about every black person. Note how Herr Al takes a generalization to the point of stereotype. You'll hear the same kind of rhetoric next week at the rally. Al will be the one with the "SS" collar tabs on a brown shirt,black boots and peaked cap.Bring schnitzel.

April 24, 2014 at 4:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

ibshame said...

So, the fact Barack Obama was also admitted to Harvard as a result of AA does not mean he didn't work hard and put forth personal effort to get the prestigious honor of Editor of the Harvard Law Review or is there a different standard for Barack Obama? So, the fact Barack Obama was also admitted to Harvard as a result of AA does not mean he didn't work hard and put forth personal effort to get the prestigious honor of Editor of the Harvard Law Review or is there a different standard for Barack Obama?

I have never commented on Obama's school attendance, citizenship or other allegations. Therefore are you suggesting we may have a president that was chosen to meet government affirmative action criteria? Are you certain his admission to Harvard was due to AA?

April 24, 2014 at 5 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "I'm glad we finally found a white person that speaks for just about every black person."

You'd have to be a total moron to not be aware of the animosity that man has stirred up with blacks over the years.

"Note how Herr Al takes a generalization to the point of stereotype. You'll hear the same kind of rhetoric next week at the rally. Al will be the one with the "SS" collar tabs on a brown shirt,black boots and peaked cap.Bring schnitzel."

It sure is funny how you conservatives run away from that crap that comes VERY close to the same crap you spew in here, and that has been spewed in here today.

Who know Caddy was a racist, and yes he has graduate from simple bigotry to become a pure racist, according to the true and correct definition of the word.

April 24, 2014 at 5:13 p.m.
Astropig said...

@OberstAl-

"It sure is funny how you conservatives run away from that crap that comes VERY close to the same crap you spew in here, and that has been spewed in here today."

I think that the gauleiter is mad that I quoted him verbatim. That's the way you expose these haters.

April 24, 2014 at 5:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova, Z-man wrote: "Are you self loathing, Alprova, because you're white and a liberal?"

No. Why would I? I like who I am and what I stand for.

alprova in this analysis is a minority.

April 24, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.

"token black Republican" Another racist statement, Alprova. "token"? There you go again condemning a black man for not belonging to the Democrat Party.

Look at the way you view blacks! You've decided that they're not really black unless they belong to the Democrat Party, they're just Uncle Toms.

Justice Thomas is loathed by libs like you because he doesn't fit into your agenda.

April 24, 2014 at 6:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

Do you advocate reducing the standards for minorities in order to assure there is a specified number hired, promoted etc?"

alprova said...Yes...until the day ever comes when there are people who do not discriminate against qualified minorities due to bigotry.

Then it is reasonable to expect you would insist performance requirements be lowered or the grading system changed to allow minorities to succeed with a lower bar? At what point do things even up where competition is truly on a level playing field?

Your response shows how shallow you think about the issue and which part of your anatomy you use to respond about it. Why are liberals not pushing at the local and state level to assure young minorities and others in need or neglected have the opportunity and assistance needed to be well educated and prepared for life? Educators, child services, politicians and citizens have an obligation and an opportunity to make changes in how children of all races have an opportunity to attain a top rate education and to achieve success in life.

NO...you and others look to a bloated behemoth federal government to get in the weeds and solve a grass roots failure. The root cause is not only an issue for minorities. Lowering standards to meet an imposed numerical number of any race will prove to be a disaster and result in parity which masquerades as equality.

April 24, 2014 at 7:04 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Fister, "token black Republican" is correct. Look no further than Colin Powell for your evidence to back that statement.

Caddy, not only are you racist, you are a moron as well. I don't have time to converse with someone that has as little intelligence as you display. Go convince your bible study group or the one or two other human beings that can actually stand to be around you. Guys like you usually pop up in the news; caught sodomizing animals, soliciting a male prostitute, or attempting to lure a kid to meet you at the mall.

April 24, 2014 at 7:13 p.m.
fairmon said...

Could it be that after being around Sotomayor as long as they have the majority of six became convinced affirmative action was a mistake and could in time destroy the country?

April 24, 2014 at 7:54 p.m.
Astropig said...

"Go convince your bible study group or the one or two other human beings that can actually stand to be around you. Guys like you usually pop up in the news; caught sodomizing animals, soliciting a male prostitute, or attempting to lure a kid to meet you at the mall."

The tolerance and moral superiority of the liberal left. You know you've won the argument when THEY bring out the farm animals.

April 24, 2014 at 8:34 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Says the man named "Astropig". Not a liberal dude, but if you are supporting what Caddy said, you are a P.O.S. as well.

Besides, don't you have rounds to play at the Honor's, expensive wine to drink at Ruth Chris', or vacations in the Caribbean? Why waste your time to comment on the ramblings of peons?

April 24, 2014 at 8:59 p.m.
Astropig said...

"Besides, don't you have rounds to play at the Honor's, expensive wine to drink at Ruth Chris', or vacations in the Caribbean? '

Add golfers, steak lovers and tourists to the groups that you hate. Keep going. You'll eventually name everyone but liberal whackadoodles.

April 24, 2014 at 9:26 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

I love steak and I guarantee my handicap is lower than yours, but I do have disdain for bold-faced liars such as yourself.

April 24, 2014 at 9:33 p.m.
Astropig said...

@Gauss

All I can say is that all you young people out there- Please read the above comments. You'll quickly discern that when liberals are losing the argument,they show their vile racism ("Token black", "Uncle Tom") and when they're getting their azzes kicked because the facts are against them,they'll just call people morons,idiots,liars and worse. Look closely at how they turn on black people that may have a different point of view. That hatred will be turned on YOU if you EVER have a differing opinion.If you think for yourself, you may want to think twice about adopting liberal politics,unless you can take being thought of as sheep.

April 24, 2014 at 9:48 p.m.
caddy said...

Alprova stated:

ra·cism [ráy sìzzəm]

1.animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races

2.belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior

One. No, I have black friends. I want God's very best for them. A great throng of their race will be rejoicing in heaven with people of all tribes, tongues, people groups. They will retain their cultural distinctions in heaven.

There will come a day when we will truly see multiculturalism and it will be free from all of the Christ-less diversity promoted by our country.

Christ is building a kingdom from every tongue, tribe, and nation of the world, and those distinctions will continue and be perfected in heaven. We will not be enfolded into some vanilla , wool-suit wearing, beige culture. Cultural distinctions will continue and will add to our understanding of the Glory of God.

Two. You were proved horribly wrong on this one. Deny it ? Tell me all about the last white man to win the 100m or 220. Tell me about the % of whites in the NBA compared to blacks.

I could give example after example both medically and physically just to name two ( I have already ) of the differences of the races.

April 24, 2014 at 9:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Look at the way you view blacks! You've decided that they're not really black unless they belong to the Democrat Party, they're just Uncle Toms."

Sir, I am getting sick and tired of you attributing words to me that I have NEVER written.

If you want to debate, at least be honest about that which you object to.

I have never called anyone an "Uncle Tom," nor do I care if a black person aligns themselves with the Republican Party.

I DO CARE when one becomes hypocritical and who clearly tries to deny who they really are and where they came from, and Clarence Thomas wants to be as white as I am, and he cares nothing for those who share his skin color.

I do not believe that one can totally turn their backs on those who share a kinship with a person, the way this man has done repeatedly since he has held public office as a Judge.

Remember, the man had a history BEFORE he became a Supreme Court Justice, and he was known for his back-turning while on that bench too.

You can love the man if you want, but not many people in America admire the man, and that is a fact.

"Justice Thomas is loathed by libs like you because he doesn't fit into your agenda."

Sir, the only agenda I have is to survive, pay my bills, and live a little. I am so removed from anything political, it is not even funny.

I couldn't care less who is elected for any office. I have enough on my plate just staying alive.

So you see, I have no agenda to address when it comes to Justice Clarence Thomas, but I do know enough about the man that he is not a hero of any kind to me and he never will be.

April 24, 2014 at 9:56 p.m.
Astropig said...

@Al-

"You can love the man if you want, but not many people in America admire the man, and that is a fact. "

Could you please cite the source of your personal "fact'? Not many people in America? Says who? MSNBC? Jesse Jackson? AlProva? Again, you deign to speak for a lot more people than your own narrow worldview would suggest you represent.Just exactly WHO besides dangling-off-the-left-fringe liberals do not admire a man that is arguably one of the most powerful men in the world?

April 24, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
alprova said...
April 24, 2014 at 11 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova...your post at 11 p.m. was the most profoundly accurate shortest conclusion you have ever posted.

April 24, 2014 at 11:51 p.m.
alprova said...

I love you too...

April 25, 2014 at 1:22 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Astropig said... Could you please cite the source of your personal "fact'? Not many people in America? Says who? MSNBC? Jesse Jackson? AlProva? Again, you deign to speak for a lot more people than your own narrow worldview would suggest you represent.Just exactly WHO besides dangling-off-the-left-fringe liberals do not admire a man that is arguably one of the most powerful men in the world?"

Clarence Thomas one of the most powerful men in the world - What were you drinking or smoking when you wrote that?? It must have been realllly good. The only power Clarence Thomas has is that his votes can be counted on to come down with the right-leaning side of the USSC. That's not POWER. lol

Now is that angry enough for you? LOL

April 25, 2014 at 7:18 a.m.
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