published Friday, April 25th, 2014

Peace Talks

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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fairmon said...

Breaking news likely to be heard soon. High death rates in the middle east following the death of the peace talks. Good job JK.

April 25, 2014 at 3:15 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, you offer this as if any American leader in the past has been successful in bringing about a lasting peace in the Middle East.

Where have you been for the past 75 years?

You're one of those people who bitches just to bitch. Nobody can do a thing to please you. And when it comes to politics, you're totally off the charts.

But...you're an equal opportunity basher. You hate 'em all if they're not Libertarian, so I guess that is to be expected.

April 25, 2014 at 5:46 a.m.
limric said...

Well I'll be darned. Israel has long complained that there is no single Palestinian 'partner' with which to negotiate. Recently, a pact to re-unify the Palestinian governments in both the West Bank and Gaza passed, and so creating a single partner to negotiate with -- and now Israel bails?

The height of hypocrisy. No wonder Israelis and the U.S. govt. are such great friends.

Jimmy Carter did the best job of any American before or since to de-escalate open warfare in the Middle East - but he had to use bribes. THAT WE'RE STILL PAYING!!

April 25, 2014 at 7:24 a.m.
ibshame said...

"fairmon said... Breaking news likely to be heard soon. High death rates in the middle east following the death of the peace talks. Good job JK"

The only administration that came as close as possible to negotiating peace in the Middle East was the Carter Administration. After Carter the next closest was the Clinton Administration, his administration almost got it done but the talks broke down and time ran out. G.W. Bush didn't bring peace to the Middle East if anything his invasion of Iraq only destabilized it even more.

With Putin making his threats, China rumbling and grumbling,and all the turmoil in the ME, Kerry has his plate full. If there's someone out there with better solutions(that don't involve bombing and invading Iran) for these problems then they should step up to the plate. However to blame John Kerry for the high death rates in the ME is ridiculous.

April 25, 2014 at 7:37 a.m.

There is no chance of peace in the Middle East. Take Israel away and it won't matter a bit. Shia and Sunni will never stop fighting and trying to gain control.

Islam relegates most of the millions and millions of its followers to a life of poverty. The region is always ready to explode.

Islam has been at war with almost everyone constantly since 600 a.d. If it's not jews, it's Christians, Sikhs, and everyone else. It's about control.

It's ridiculous waste of time, money and humanity to attempt to "bring peace" to the Middle East. They may be fixated on Israel now, later it will be someone else.

To blame Israel for the state of the Muslim World is just dumb. Muslims have a problem with everyone who isn't a Muslim, period.

April 25, 2014 at 7:55 a.m.
limric said...

Did someone here blame Israel for the state of the Muslim world?

I don't see it.

April 25, 2014 at 8:02 a.m.

It's take a unique brand of arrogance for anyone to believe they can "bring peace" to the Middle East. Whether it's Carter, Bush, BO, Kerry, Clinton, whoever.

April 25, 2014 at 8:04 a.m.
limric said...

Ok, point taken Zableedofisterix. I do however disagree with your assertion that there’s ”a unique brand of arrogance” when considering the present administration, I think the Obama State Departments top advisors were hired directly from ‘Comedy Central’.

April 25, 2014 at 8:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Fairmon, you offer this as if any American leader in the past has been successful in bringing about a lasting peace in the Middle East.

No, I offer this because the man went against all advice and initiated something he could finish, where success was not in the cards. It is naïve to think there will ever be anything in the middle east other than an eventual Armageddon.

April 25, 2014 at 9:41 a.m.

limric, you're about that.

They could send Jon Stewart over there, since he was passed over for Letterman's replacement. He's a lot brighter than Kerry, and he might get them to lighten up.

April 25, 2014 at 10:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Well, it's starting to look like the Republican efforts to thwart the union at Volkswagen has BACKFIRED!!

Looks like the SUV is going to be built outside of Chattanooga.

Goodbye Corker. Goodbye Haslam. Goodbye Republicans.

April 25, 2014 at 10:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "No, I offer this because the man went against all advice and initiated something he could finish, where success was not in the cards. It is naïve to think there will ever be anything in the middle east other than an eventual Armageddon."

Sir, EVERY Secretary of State has tried. EVERY one of them.

Where is the criticism for all the others who have all failed?

Why single out John Kerry?

April 25, 2014 at 11:11 a.m.

Yeah, Alprova that's what happened. The workers rejected the union, period. No Democrat will be elected senator in Tennessee. Democrat is a bad word in Tennessee.

April 25, 2014 at 11:13 a.m.

The union wasn't wanted and isn't necessary at the VW plant in Chattanooga. They have no complaints, they're not treated badly, get paid well, and work in a good facility. Modern day unions, the large powerful ones, are thugs and bullies. They're big corporations who are top heavy with fat cats who are cronies of fat cat politicians, mostly Democrat.

If you think suddenly Democrats are going to waltz in and get elected because of that you're dreaming.

Kerry has failed, like all the rest, but he's just dumber than the rest. Besides, how does he talk through that botox injected mashed potato face?

April 25, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.

Hey, Alprova, a new Coca Cola distribution center will be built in Chattanooga. Congratulations.

April 25, 2014 at 11:40 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Hey Fister, wasn't John Kerry's appointment to Sec. of State met with little opposition from your heroes, the GOP? If he is so much "dumber than the rest", why no campaign to block his nomination?

Onto other news, I am curious how Corker is going to handle this news about the SUV being built elsewhere. Didn't he "guarantee" it would be built if the union vote went the way of the GOP?

April 25, 2014 at 11:55 a.m.
ibshame said...

"alprova said... Well, it's starting to look like the Republican efforts to thwart the union at Volkswagen has BACKFIRED!!

Looks like the SUV is going to be built outside of Chattanooga.

Goodbye Corker. Goodbye Haslam. Goodbye Republicans."

Yep, Looks like VW did get the last word after all. So, Bob "Nissan" Corker, Flying J. Haslam, Bo "Scopes Monkey Trial" Watson, Gerald "We're Large and In Charge" McCormick and all the rest have some explaining to do. If they had just stayed out of it and let the voting proceed without their interference, no one would be any wiser as to what had been on the table but no, they couldn't do that. They had to show their "power" and "might" over that Carpet Bag UAW. Well, Goodbye to 1500 decent paying jobs for many who are out of work in this area. "Proud to be Stupid and Ignorant" should be the State's Motto.

Can't wait to see how they spin this. Have to wonder will Haslam and Corker ignore Congressional Subpoenas if Congress decides to investigate this whole fiasco?

April 25, 2014 at 12:17 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... Hey, Alprova, a new Coca Cola distribution center will be built in Chattanooga. Congratulations"

43 jobs as opposed to the 1500 at VW for the new line and you think that's something to be proud of. Once before I likened you to Woodstock in the Peanuts Cartoons but I now realize that's an insult to Woodstock.

April 25, 2014 at 12:21 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... Yeah, Alprova that's what happened. The workers rejected the union, period. No Democrat will be elected senator in Tennessee. Democrat is a bad word in Tennessee."

Just so you know a little about the auto industry in Tennessee, Ned McWherter(A DEMOCRAT) was Governor of Tennessee when the Nissan Plant was built and went on line. There was a Democrat in the Governor's Mansion when the negotiations started with VW. It was the DEMOCRAT GOVERNORS that offered the incentive pkgs. for these companies and it's THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR ALONG WITH HIS REPUBLICAN SIDE-KICKS WHO TRIED TO PLAY HARDBALL BY INTERFERING WITH THE RIGHT OF WORKERS TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN REPRESENTATION THAT LOST 1500 JOBS FOR THIS AREA.

You say no Democrat will be elected in Tennessee, you keep thinking that.

April 25, 2014 at 12:30 p.m.

So. Democrat is a bad word in Tennessee in 2014. The BO led Dems are tainted. You know it. You bring up the past.

LOL You're dreaming..Not the Democrats now. Bredesen was good Gov. and a Democrat. A fiscally responsible one. One who had Business experience. Bredesen is someone the Democrat Party should've nominated for POTUS, not BO.

"interfering with the righs of workers" Yeah, that's the way it is. The workers their are fine, they said so loud and clear.

Union interfere with the rights of workers. They're thugs and will suppress free speech.

April 25, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.

Take your crybaby "workers of the world unite" bullcrap to some other state.

April 25, 2014 at 1:12 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... So. Democrat is a bad word in Tennessee in 2014. The BO led Dems are tainted. You know it. You bring up the past."

Like I wrote earlier, likening you to Woodstock is an insult to Woodstock.

April 25, 2014 at 1:12 p.m.

Sure, ibshame. Everyone gets it, you're Democrat party drone, and leftist. Nobody cares about the UAW and nobody believes the workers at VW are being treated unfairly. If so, prove it.

April 25, 2014 at 1:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man does live in a very rich fantasy world.

When VW makes the official announcement, Republican will become a very bad word in Tennessee, you watch and see.

Corker will be out and it will not take very much of a man to oust him.

April 25, 2014 at 1:24 p.m.
limric said...

GaussianInteger,

You wondered earlier why there was a lack of any vigorous opposition by the GOP to John Kerry’s appointment as Secretary of State.

Because they like good comedy like the rest of us?

April 25, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man, you're totally overlooking the point that haS been a part of this mess from the very start.

VW WANTED THE UNION!!! THEY WANTED THE WORKS COUNCIL!!!

Tennessee's leaders inserted themselves into something that was none of their business, and now each and every one of them has egg on their faces.

Corker most of all, because he made the stupid statement that if the union was rejected, VW would move forward with the expansion.

The Senator stuck his neck out and now it's chopping time.

What an idiot the man is.

April 25, 2014 at 1:29 p.m.
alprova said...

I think John Kerry is representing this nation very well, so far as SOS.

I'm sure some will disagree, but then what else is new?

April 25, 2014 at 1:30 p.m.

Sure,Alprova, and the tide will turn and suddenly Tennessee will be a Democrat stronghold. Sure, Nostradamus.

Corker will lose his job and Democrats will suddenly be in because of losing the SUV? Dream on. I thought you liberal wackos hate SUV's?

April 25, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... Sure, ibshame. Everyone gets it, you're Democrat party drone, and leftist. Nobody cares about the UAW and nobody believes the workers at VW are being treated unfairly. If so, prove it."

See, you still don't get it. So, I'll try and make this as simple as I can for you. It's not about being a Democrat or Pro-Union. It's about trying to use UNFAIR PRACTICES TO INTIMIDATE AND COERCE VOTERS. All they had to do was stay out of it and LET THE WORKERS DECIDE ON THEIR OWN IF THEY WANTED REPRESENTATION BY THE UAW. The only reason UAW was involved in the first place is because VW wanted a Works Council(something they have at all of their other plants) but according to the Laws here in the U.S. the Council would have to be affiliated with an independent UNION.

There are UNIONS all over this town. The Watts Bar facility and countless others ONLY HIRE UNION CONTRACT WORKERS. So, Unions in and of themselves are not only acceptable in this area but are also allowed to operate according to their rules and regulations.

You keep saying this has to do with the Democrats not getting the UAW in this state. The Repubs made this about politics. If they had just kept their mouths closed and stayed out of it, it would have been over and done with and no one could have questioned the outcome. They didn't do that and now they OWN IT.

April 25, 2014 at 1:41 p.m.

"intimidate and coerce workers" Thats' what unions do.

It's not a burning issue in people's lives in Tennessee.

You libs bitch about the GOP influencing this vote, when Unions are the back pockets of Democrats. The only things that's clear to me is that Democrat meddling is ok, GOP meddling is not.

April 25, 2014 at 1:52 p.m.
limric said...

Alprova,

Count me as one that disagrees with your judgment about Kerry . By the way, he doesn’t represent the nation so much as he represents the EIC, aka the Enemy Industrial Complex.

April 25, 2014 at 1:53 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said...

"intimidate and coerce workers" Thats' what unions do.

It's not a burning issue in people's lives in Tennessee.

You libs bitch about the GOP influencing this vote, when Unions are the back pockets of Democrats. The only things that's clear to me is that Democrat meddling is ok, GOP meddling is not."

My apologies to Woodstock once again!

April 25, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.

Most people's lives don't revolve around unions. 1500 jobs won't cost Corker his job, if that's what happens. Why should it? Do you honestly expect me to believe that the potential of 1500 jobs will convince enough people to vote Democrat instead of GOP in this state? You're the same people that poo poo the massive amount of jobs lost under BO.

April 25, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "I thought you liberal wackos hate SUV's?"

I love SUV's. What I don't like is meddling politicians who lie through their teeth, when they know better.

You really need to learn to stop trying to speak for people you have no association with.

It makes you look like a fool.

April 25, 2014 at 1:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Let anyone say what they wish about unions, but I know several union workers, in this area, and not one of them works for less than $28.00 an hour.

Those are good jobs.

Y'all against unions can work for pennies if you want, but those working in unions are laughing all the way to the bank.

April 25, 2014 at 2:02 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Most people's lives don't revolve around unions."

And those most people struggle to pay their bills and have little disposable income too.

"1500 jobs won't cost Corker his job, if that's what happens."

No...it will be his blatant lie that WILL cost him his job.

"Do you honestly expect me to believe that the potential of 1500 jobs will convince enough people to vote Democrat instead of GOP in this state?"

Maybe it will or maybe it won't, but what is now apparent is that Bob Corker lied to everyone, and you can bet his opponents will not let him slide.

"You're the same people that poo poo the massive amount of jobs lost under BO."

Sir, unemployment has been dropping every month since the man has been in office.

Now, I don't credit anything the President has done to cause it, but falling unemployment since day one is a provable fact.

Where is your proof to back up your statement?

April 25, 2014 at 2:07 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

The anti-union, anti-workers bunch kinda got their tires slashed.

zableedofisterix, is that the old soft shoe, or a tap dance you're doing.

April 25, 2014 at 2:08 p.m.

I don't know what you mean.

Yeah, alprova, if not for unions the world would stop spinning.

That's a stupid generalization. The vast majority of people in this country don't belong to unions, never have, and many of them make a good living.

April 25, 2014 at 3:34 p.m.
alprova said...

I don't know what you mean.

Z-man wrote: "Yeah, alprova, if not for unions the world would stop spinning."

Clearly, you have never had opportunity to work within one. You don't know any better. You're brainwashed into believing that unions are all bad.

"That's a stupid generalization."

And yours comes from wisdom?

"The vast majority of people in this country don't belong to unions, never have, and many of them make a good living."

However, at one time in this nation union jobs dominated the landscape, and times were good for EVERYONE. It didn't take both a father and a mother to have to work to make ends meet.

You Republicans like to bemoan a lot of things, but your positions against unions is highly counterproductive and hypocritical when it comes to the job front.

Good paying jobs is what this nation needs. But we all know that the Republicans only concern is for the employers and what comes out of THEIR pockets.

April 25, 2014 at 3:57 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Sir, EVERY Secretary of State has tried. EVERY one of them.

Where is the criticism for all the others who have all failed?

Why single out John Kerry?

The answer to why criticize Kerry, the last one to fail, is in your statement. The fact is he ignored the experience of others and the advice he was given to not be the lead person which if failed would again reflect on America.

alprova said...

I love SUV's. What I don't like is meddling politicians who lie through their teeth, when they know better.

WHAT???????? Does this mean you are turning on Obama? You have responded to me that politicians telling lies, twisting facts and Misspeaking is just politics, get used to it. Now you are in attack mode when it is the "other" party doing the lying...Why did Lerner plead the 5th? I do agree Obama may not be as devious as some portray but instead just in way over his head.

April 25, 2014 at 5:10 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "WHAT???????? Does this mean you are turning on Obama?"

No no no....

"You have responded to me that politicians telling lies, twisting facts and Misspeaking is just politics, get used to it."

Well...do you know a 100% truthful politician? I don't.

"Now you are in attack mode when it is the "other" party doing the lying..."

That all depends on the lie. I let more go than I address.

"Why did Lerner plead the 5th?"

I don't know and neither does anyone else.

"I do agree Obama may not be as devious as some portray but instead just in way over his head."

Shoot man....President Obama would laugh at a polygraph test.

April 25, 2014 at 5:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Shoot man....President Obama would laugh at a polygraph test.

No doubt he would laugh at the suggestion and he would not take one nor should he, politicians are what those saying buyer beware had in mind.

Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, Harry Reid should be taking any test for veracity.

April 25, 2014 at 6:05 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

And I guess fairmon will convince us that Rand or Raul Paul or any of his "libertarian" heroes in office are pure as the ivory snow.

April 25, 2014 at 6:56 p.m.
tifosi said...

Where in the hell did any of you get the idea a decision has been made to build the SUV anywhere else? Where in the hell have you guys been??? Had your head up the Gary Casteel's ass???

We have been competing with Puebla, Mexico all along. That is what they are talking about. It certainly won't be another VW plant in the USA. There isn't one and SUV sales projections cannot justify building another plant.

With all of the publicity the UAW vote has brought, if VW decides to build an SUV in Mexico, a product for the American market... it will fail to ever meet VW sales goals. DOH!!!

April 25, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.

tifosi, you're correct. Where else would it be built in the US?

April 25, 2014 at 9:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Tifosi wrote: "Where in the hell did any of you get the idea a decision has been made to build the SUV anywhere else? Where in the hell have you guys been??? Had your head up the Gary Casteel's ass???"

You apparently haven't read today's edition of the TFP.

"We have been competing with Puebla, Mexico all along. That is what they are talking about. It certainly won't be another VW plant in the USA. There isn't one and SUV sales projections cannot justify building another plant."

Want to bet it isn't going to Mexico? Are you authorized to speak to these matters?

"With all of the publicity the UAW vote has brought, if VW decides to build an SUV in Mexico, a product for the American market... it will fail to ever meet VW sales goals. DOH!!!"

You might know exactly what you are stating, but the tone of today's article seems to be totally contrary to that which you claim to know.

VW wanted the union. That has been stated several times by VW management.

Tennessee politicians seem to believe that they have every right to tell a German Automobile Company how to run their business.

For the sake of those who ARE working for Volkswagen, I sure hope they haven't messed things up, but for whatever reason, it's starting more and more like they sure have messed things up, big time.

April 25, 2014 at 10:14 p.m.
tifosi said...

Yes, I read today's TFP. I also know more about VW politics than you.

"VW wanted the union. That has been stated several times by VW management."

Show me where that was ever said. VW chose to be neutral.

VW Board is made up of 50% management and 50% Works Council, with Dr. Martin Winterkorn being the tie-breaker. It has been that way since the Allies of World War II decided to keep the VW plant in Wolfsburg intact in order to jumpstart the post-war economy.

Management could not care less about a union. They want to build cars. The Works Council just wants Chattanooga to have a Works Council. They do not care about the aftermath that the UAW would bring. The UAW is nothing but a bunch of thugs after good Tennessean's money. Wolfsburg Works Council will not be here to suffer the consequences, nor do they care about Tennessee's future. Thank God the Tennessee politicians were there. I WILL vote for Governor Haslam and Senator Corker when they come up for re-election. Very smart to keep the UAW out.

The real killer for the UAW in Chattanooga was the billboard on Hwy 153 that said "United Obama Workers". That educated many right-wingers on the production floor as to where their union dues were going... the Democratic party.

April 25, 2014 at 10:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Tifosi wrote: "Yes, I read today's TFP. I also know more about VW politics than you."

Be that as it may, I question how much you actually know and whether or not you are privy to high level information, and of course, whether or not you are endangering your job by relating what, if anything, you do know.

"Show me where that was ever said. VW chose to be neutral."

Jeez...the TFP posted several articles over the last year that stated that they welcomed the union and desired it as part of their works council approach to dealing with employees.

Where have you been?

"VW Board is made up of 50% management and 50% Works Council, with Dr. Martin Winterkorn being the tie-breaker. It has been that way since the Allies of World War II decided to keep the VW plant in Wolfsburg intact in order to jumpstart the post-war economy."

Uh huh.

"Management could not care less about a union. They want to build cars. The Works Council just wants Chattanooga to have a Works Council. They do not care about the aftermath that the UAW would bring. The UAW is nothing but a bunch of thugs after good Tennessean's money."

That's one way to look at it but I'm not convinced you are an insider.

"Wolfsburg Works Council will not be here to suffer the consequences, nor do they care about Tennessee's future. Thank God the Tennessee politicians were there. I WILL vote for Governor Haslam and Senator Corker when they come up for re-election. Very smart to keep the UAW out."

Forgive me if I wait for the official announcement to determine if the political meddling will have been worth it.

"The real killer for the UAW in Chattanooga was the billboard on Hwy 153 that said "United Obama Workers". That educated many right-wingers on the production floor as to where their union dues were going... the Democratic party."

Well, as I've stated several times, Republicans hate unions and apparently the good jobs that go with them. Why would unions contribute to a political party that is trying to kill them?

April 26, 2014 at 12:13 a.m.
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