published Sunday, April 27th, 2014

The Trigger Lock

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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GameOn said...

ClayBoy.... Do you need some cheese to go with that WhINE?

April 27, 2014 at 12:14 a.m.

And?

April 27, 2014 at 12:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

Requiring training, a permit and registering of guns doesn't violate the 2nd amendment. Punishment for violation could and should be severe. Taxes on guns and ammunition should be equal to those on tobacco and other products that discourage purchase. Taxes should provide funding for enforcement which is currently not adequate.

Why is the fact that 80% or more of gun crimes are committed by those with limited education and in the lower end of the economy ignored? Chicago has strict gun control laws but among if not the highest gun crime and poverty levels in the country. Is there a correlation?

Why are individuals transferring ownership not required to follow the same process as a dealer? Why not allow gun dealers to charge a reasonable fee for handling personal transactions?

April 27, 2014 at 4:46 a.m.
alprova said...

fairmon, most gun owners, for whatever reason, are adamantly opposed to any Governmental entity knowing that they own their guns.

Why that is, is the mystery of the century.

I've had heated discussions with people who truly believe that if the Government knew of the exact number of guns that they owned, would lead to confiscation of those guns at some point in the future.

It really should be prohibitively expensive to own a gun in this nation. It should be a luxury. Bullets ought to cost $50 apiece.

My making this statement does not mean that I am opposed to any responsible American citizen owning a gun for protection, and I am fully aware that we, as a nation, are beyond such considerations, because guns are indeed everywhere.

Registration of guns could and would protect all gun owners, especially if one is stolen. Reporting a stolen gun could exonerate the former owner if the gun is used in a future crime.

Yes, there are people who would like to see every gun seized in this nation from private ownership, but there are not enough of these people to ever bring about such a policy. Most Americans believe in the freedom to own guns.

I personally would like to see laws enacted providing for anyone who has a gun in their possession, permitted to own it, every gun in their possession registered, and pattern tested.

In addition to that, I would like to see a law on the books that if caught with an unregistered gun, and no license to own a gun, a twenty year mandatory prison stay. If a gun is used in the commission of a crime, give them the death penalty.

Think that sounds too severe? Maybe it is, but I'm sick of opening a newspaper every day of the week and reading of people dying by gunfire.

Something has to be done to stop this crap.

April 27, 2014 at 8:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

Will the IG's failures be labeled another false scandal?

April 27, 2014 at 8:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

Our help is requested. Send Hilary a list of her significant accomplishments as Secretary of State. It appears her second in command failed to remember them. The experience does seem to have broadened her, check out a shot from behind of her two axe handles broad behind.

April 27, 2014 at 8:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

I personally would like to see laws enacted providing for anyone who has a gun in their possession, permitted to own it, every gun in their possession registered, and pattern tested.

In addition to that, I would like to see a law on the books that if caught with an unregistered gun, and no license to own a gun, a twenty year mandatory prison stay. If a gun is used in the commission of a crime, give them the death penalty.

I agree and I don't think it is too severe. I see no reason why anyone owning a gun should be concerned about anyone knowing it. Confiscation of guns could occur if that ever became a government objective with no changes in current laws.

April 27, 2014 at 8:30 a.m.
GameOn said...

Alprova....It really should be prohibitively expensive to own a gun in this nation. It should be a luxury. Bullets ought to cost $50 apiece.

That would be great. Create a black market for ammo with a lot of profit potential for the criminal element. The cartel's would set up ammo manufacturing plants south of the border. That would help them diversify as more states become like Colorado and legalize pot.

Alprova wants to start a rent to own ammo store.

April 27, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.

Don't worry libs the DHS will soon buy up all the ammo and guns in the country so that responsible citizens won't be able to purchase any. Of course, that will make criminals happy. You do realize criminals are criminals because they don't abide by the law, correct?

Lefties and statists always use emotion as a starting point to restrict freedom and tighten a police state.

Maybe we should take away guns from all law abiding citizens, and reward armed criminals who murder and rob because, after all, they' do it out of "love", huh?

April 27, 2014 at 9:58 a.m.

Of course, Alprova, if an illegal alien from Mexico murders someone with a gun, he or she should be cut some slack because of the "love" factor.

Listen to the double standard of the left. Harry Reid bitching about ranchers not being above the law, and lawlessness, while illegal aliens are treated like sacred cows. You libs will only be happy with a police state, and full control over everyone's lives. Whether it's guns, the doctor you should have, what to drive, what to eat, etc. It has no end.

One of the most vile mass murderers of all time in this country is Kermit Gosnell. Of course, it was downplayed by the media because he's an "abortion provider". Like illegal aliens, they're sacred.

What you statists really want is to not allow any citizen to own a gun, period. Just say it.

Alprova, you statist, you just feel more deeply then the rest of us, huh? Champion of the poor, oppressed women in this country, the illegal aliens who come here out of "love", and "gays".

April 27, 2014 at 10:13 a.m.
limric said...

Gun registration (which is openly coded wording for ‘control’) advocates constantly trumpet how firearms registration will reduce crime. ”We need ‘sensible’ gun-laws”, it is often said. Their most important error is a comparison between motor vehicle registration and firearms, and as such is a false equivalency. Even though auto accidents kill more Americans than weapons of any kind; NO American condemns the widespread use and ownership of cars. But considering that most law-abiding citizens don’t openly carry their weapons -- gun owners are hard to spot -- Bad!! Consequently, many non-gun owners are afraid of armed citizens. Without going into the second amendment, I’ll address the single issue of registration.

The federal govt. (and to a much greater extent states) consider registration schemes as cash cows. Why else would you have to register your car and pay a fee EVERY YEAR (I believe this is the case in almost all states)? Why else are financial penalties assessed for registration failures? If guns registration is ‘required’, will the gaping maw of bureaucracy let people ‘get away’ with registering their guns….once? Or will John Q. Public have to register and re-register and re-re-register, ad nauseam?

Likelihood of reoccurring registration: Certainty.

Now - humans being human, they make mistakes. The requiring of paperwork filing on the part of the state against its citizens on a regular basis increases the chance of mistakes being made on the part of the citizens or the state. While automobile registration violations will get you a traffic ticket or perhaps your car impounded, what if a gun owner violates one of the proposed firearms registration laws? I’d say there’s a good chance that that gun owner will be going to jail. Gun registration violations could possibly create an entire class of ‘felons’ guilty merely of paperwork snafu’s. Even if the ‘criminal’ does not go to jail, confiscation their firearm is assured. States may also look to make sure that gun owners are abiding by the registration laws. Now that the government knows where they live, there is the possibility, to make sure the paperwork is up-to-date, Random checks are a future possibility. Keep in mind that your 4th amendment rights are being violated at this very minute.

Likelihood: Probable

Cont.

April 27, 2014 at 11:05 a.m.
limric said...

Registration won’t prevent or reduce crime. Does vehicle registration prevent cars from being stolen? Does vehicle registration prevent people from driving like idiots, or in a reckless manner? Does vehicle registration prevent death or injury of innocent bystanders in collisions? Does registration prevent crimes being committed with automobiles? The answer to all of the above is a resounding no.

Gun registration would be an obtrusive and unnecessary check of law-abiding citizens. It will be yet another tax (fee) on middle-class America. It will mean more unnecessary paperwork to fill out. It will create an inadvertent class of ‘felons’ guilty of nothing more than not dotting the ‘I’s of yet more government paperwork. It will NOT stop crimes from occurring. It will NOT prevent gun owners from handling their weapons in a reckless or unsafe manner.

But as flawed as this parallel is, it also further threatens the civil liberties of ordinary citizens; a risk worse than the ‘fear’ of a populace’s right to own firearms.

April 27, 2014 at 11:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

Limric, therefore you conclude the crime rate involving guns is not something that can be altered, it is what it is and it is what it will be? So, those unarmed, which does not include me, should arm themselves and be at all times ready to kill or be killed?

April 27, 2014 at 11:36 a.m.
limric said...

No Fairmon, that’s not what I’m ‘concluding'. Nor am I encouraging or discouraging that the ‘unarmed’ ”should arm themselves and be at all times ready to kill or be killed.”

The right to keep and bear arms is a choice. Nobody HAS to arm themselves. Let’s not forget that within the context of the US constitution (it’s #2 for a reason), gun ownership IS NOT a privilege... it is a RIGHT! And so is a choice. That’s part of the beauty of the U.S. Bill of Rights.

However – Infringing on one person’s right to allay the fears of another is not a solution. As I said earlier, registration won’t prevent or reduce crime. As I don’t profess to have all the answers, that my short rejoinder.

April 27, 2014 at 12:13 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Limric, you are a walking/talking contradiction. You speak with such clarity and sense on most issues but you are ridiculously passionate, to the point of losing your objectivity completely, when it comes to your obvious love (fetish) for guns.

There is certainly a good argument to be made for the ways in which gun regulation and registration seem NOT to work. But to keep pushing that argument, as you and every other gun nut does, is the epitome of foolishness. Virtually every law on the books is broken by criminals in some way or in myriad ways every single day. But that is no reason to just lift the laws and say, "See? They are not working, so let's just stop pretending they do. And besides....all that silly paperwork!" We do not see the many other ways that those laws ARE working and preventing even more crime.

What if we suddenly stopped requiring people to register their cars or we stopped requiring driving tests and removed the age limits that one can drive? Sure, we have plenty of irresponsible drivers on the road regardless, causing accidents and taking lives, but just imagine how much worse it would be without the driving laws and required registration that we have in place. All manner of idiots would be on the road, creating even more mayhem and death.

And sure, criminals are always going to get guns and do whatever the they want with them. But how is putting more guns in the hands of more people (no matter how young or old, untrained, unknowledgeable, immature, irresponsible, or psychotic) going to make things any safer for the public in general? We are only increasing the likelihood of more accidents and incidents arising from misuse or heated arguments escalating to guns being drawn and shots fired, all because someone had a gun at the ready, instead of swallowing their pride and walking away from a confrontation or calling the law (and yes, the law still does work in most cases). Definitely, there will be those times when having a gun at the ready might save a life, but the chances of increased accidents and impetuous, trigger happy incidents will most likely increase tremendously.

And let's envision a scenario where a deranged person enters a public place, whips out his concealed arsenal, and begins firing randomly. Even trained policemen would have a very hard time acting in the appropriate manner and hitting their target. If there is one or two or several other armed "good guys" on the scene, acting impetuously, with only scant training (if any!) in the heat and confusion of the fray, they are as likely to hit an innocent bystander as they are the bad guy. It would mean only more bullets flying in the fracas.

April 27, 2014 at 1:09 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

continued...

The reason why gun registration and strict gun laws do not seem to be a viable solution is because we have most likely gone way past the point of no-return. America is awash in guns because we have been far too lax from the get-go about our relationship with them.

Automatic and semi-automatic weapons should never have been made accessible to the public. They should have been banned as strictly war-time weapons with extremely heavy penalties in place for those who tried to procure them. Now, they have become popular in various sport and recreational venues and for anyone to even suggest banning them seems "un-American." Likewise, to even speak of more or stronger gun regulation itself seems "un-American" to you gun nuts because you have taken the second amendment and made of it something as sacred as the Bible is to fundamentalist Christians.

But just as the Bible was not written by holy men inspired by God, no part of the Constitution is so sacred that it cannot be revised, and the forefathers knew that. The second amendment was fine for its day but those who wrote it could in no way imagine a nation such as ours today, inundated with the vast assortment of high-tech weaponry that we have

It is not so sacrosanct that it cannot be revised. And it NEEDS to be revised. It is so ambiguous that you gun nuts have stretched its meaning to the extreme, such that you think it is your "right" to carry any and all firearms to any and all places you choose. But that is only your subjective interpretation! There are those of us who also have the right NOT to have to be exposed to your hideous weapons of death hanging from your hips like olden days cowboys. From the days of the end of the wild West to today we have enjoyed a relatively sane and civilized society free of guns in public places, and most of us want to keep it that way. We do not wish to return to the days of holster-wearing cowboys.

I say, "Damn your 'sacred' second amendment!" Just as we would be much better off without religion, we would also be much better off without that cursed amendment. It has not made America "exceptional," at least not in a good way. it has only made us the most violent-prone nation on earth.

April 27, 2014 at 1:13 p.m.

Rickaroo, you're foaming at the mouth. You're saying limric is ok with you except for this one issue.

Since when do criminals care about registration?

It is a right, an obvious one. You guys claim things like health insurance, a house, and a job are rights. Ridiculous.

The problem with most of you lefties is that you DON'T recognize and see the danger in giving up your freedom. That's scary.

April 27, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.

Cracking down on civic minded, law abiding citizens has zero impact on crime. You're not hurting criminals or making a dent in the crime rate. Where's the logic? It's simply about control by the Fed. Gov. and the loss of freedom.

April 27, 2014 at 1:53 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Zableed, I do not even recognize you as a sane, reasonable human being. The things you say are so off-the-wall, you're a joke. Your hatred of liberals is as passionate and deranged as conservative's hatred of homosexuals. You both are babbling fools and I don't waste my time concerning myself with your opinion of me or with anything that you say on any topic.

April 27, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.

Rickaroo, your post confirms what I said.

Yeah, the loss of freedom and rights are off the wall? Coming from a statist, why am I surprised.

April 27, 2014 at 2:01 p.m.
conservative said...

Earth to Mr. Bennett, earth to Mr. Bennett -

You Liberals/Atheists/Socialists are the reason people have guns.

You Liberals/Atheists/Socialists are soft on crime.

You Liberals/Atheists/Socialists have made it so difficult to prosecute criminals.

You Liberals/Atheists/Socialists have all but made the death penalty null and void (except for those who die of old age on death row).

You Liberals/Atheists/Socialists keep letting hardened repeat offenders out of prison to commit more crimes.

You Liberals/Atheists/Socialists Just don't understand why people can't rely on police, except to take a report and give their condolences after the crime is committed.

You Liberals/Atheists/Socialists will never get it as long as you are Liberals/Atheists/Socialists.

April 27, 2014 at 2:03 p.m.
limric said...

Wow Rickaroo you’re all over the place with claims, twists and accusations. As passionate as your rebuttal is, you fail to counter my theoretic scenarios, conclusions and the logic used in my assertions and instead reverted to a Hypothesis Contrary to Fact. Which I think was accidental.

So I will ask: 1) What will national gun control/registration accomplish? [Please take into account the following statement] ”Virtually every law on the books is broken by criminals in some way or in myriad ways every single day.“

2) ”There is certainly a good argument to be made for the ways in which gun regulation and registration seem NOT to work.” How? [Firearms laws (and violations thereof) are quite strict. Discharging a weapon in an irresponsible manner or using one in the commission a crime is a felony and rightfully so.] Please see quote from question 1.

Before you go off halfcocked (pun intended) with "Damn your 'sacred' second amendment!" remember there are just many that are equally passionate about modifying or dispensing with the separation of church & state.

Be careful what you wish for.

April 27, 2014 at 2:05 p.m.
limric said...

Rickaroo,

Umm - As I was saying about there being just many that are equally passionate about modifying or dispensing with the separation of church & state.

See Conservatives soundly reasoned and coherent commentary.

Or was that a fart?

April 27, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

Sunday, April 27, 2014

7-year-old Jaylin Miller, of Ligonier, Indiana was unintentionally shot and killed by his brother on Saturday. According to reports:

Jaylin and his brother were out in the yard with a firearm, attempting to kill ground moles when the firearm was unintentionally discharged by his brother. Jaylin was struck by a single gun shot and died at the scene.

April 27, 2014 at 3:05 p.m.
tifosi said...

Monday, April 21, 2014

A 2-year-old Cache County boy died late Friday, hours after his sister shot him.

Authorities said the shooting happened about 6:40 p.m. at a home near 3600 West and 2200 South, in an unincorporated part of the county. The boy’s 3-year-old sister shot him with a .22-caliber rifle that had been left in the living room, the sheriff’s office said.

Cache County sheriff’s Lt. Mike Peterson said the gun had been used earlier in the day by the children’s father, who set it down after returning home. The firearm was unloaded but did have live rounds in the magazine, he said.

"We believe the 3-year-old had to manipulate the action enough to chamber a live round," Peterson said in a news release.

April 27, 2014 at 3:06 p.m.
tifosi said...

Tuesday, April 8, 2104

Jamara Stevens, 11, was shot and killed in Philadelphia over the weekend by her 2-year-old brother.

Police say the gun was left in the house by their mother’s boyfriend, and on Saturday morning, one of the three Stevens’ children discovered the .357-caliber handgun on top of the refrigerator and brought it upstairs.

The toddler found it, pointed the loaded and cocked gun at Jamara and fired the weapon.

April 27, 2014 at 3:07 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Limric, I do not see my comment being any more "all over the place" than your original post. The only thing hypothetical about it is my supposition that more people with more guns (especially more unlicensed, unregistered people with more guns) in public places will increase the likelihood of more accidents and more hasty, rush to drawing and firing - thus more deaths, accidental or otherwise. And while that is indeed a hypothetical, it is a pretty damn logical hypothetical. More guns in the hands of more people, responsible or otherwise, in public places can in no way be a good thing. It is just as much a case of hypothesizing when the gun-toting advocates say that more guns in the hands of more people will reduce crime. There has been nothing proven either way.

I have said this before and I will say it again: I own a gun myself and I have no problem with gun ownership. I do not hunt but I get it that other people like to hunt, and they should have that right, at least if they do it responsibly and humanely. But the gun nuts have taken the second amendment and stretched it to ridiculous lengths in order to give them complete freedom to do whatever, whenever, wherever with their guns. And that is what I take exception to. We can debate all day long about whether or not gun laws help or hinder, and we will not come to agreement. But these latest attempts at open-carry, or even concealed-carry, anywhere and everywhere are bordering on insanity, IMO. If you and other gun nuts think that the second amendment was meant to include that "right," then I will fight tooth and nail to say NAY, it does not give you that right... not to that extent. When living in a society that has even a pretense of calling itself civilized, we do not have the right to do whatever the hell we want, whenever we want to do it. That is pretty much the libertarian viewpoint and it is a sh#tty, adolescent, half-baked viewpoint.

If we come to the point of having holstered cowboys and would-be vigilantes roaming the streets and malls and supermarkets and movie theaters and churches and schools and workplaces all across America I will cede this nutty nation to you and your gun-loving ilk and look seriously for another country to hang my hat (and I have traveled enough to know that there are plenty of places as good as and better than America to live). And you and your boys with your love affair with things-that-go-boom can hang your precious second amendment on your altar and revel in your "freedom" to blow each other's brains out.

April 27, 2014 at 3:08 p.m.
tifosi said...

Wednesday, March 26, 2104

Felony charges have been filed against a local man in the accidental shooting that killed a Greensburg teen.

Jason L. Forshee, 34, was arrested and charged Friday with neglect of a dependent resulting in death, a Class A felony, and dangerous control of a child, a Class C felony.

Craig A. Roberts, 13, was accidentally shot at his home on North Carver Street on the afternoon of March 11 when a sibling picked up an M4 assault rifle that authorities allege Forshee had left unattended. The sibling pointed the rifle at Craig in the living room of the home. The weapon discharged, and a bullet struck the teen in the chest. Craig died at Decatur County Memorial Hospital that evening.

Court documents state that Forshee told police he was cleaning the weapon and had removed the magazine. He was unaware a bullet was in the chamber. Forshee left the room briefly to talk to Craig's mom, Amy Roberts. While out of the room, a 6-year-old picked up the weapon and accidentally fired it.

Forshee said he heard a “pop” while he was out of the room. Seeing Craig had been shot, Forshee applied pressure to the boy’s wound while the mother called 911.

Forshee told police he could not explain how the bullet was in the chamber. He was out of the room approximately 10 to 15 seconds, he said.

A short time before the shooting, Forshee had shown the rifle to a plumber at the home. The 6-year-old asked to see the weapon, and Forshee handed him the gun, according to court documents.

A child visiting the home shared by Amy Roberts, Jason Forshee, Craig and his two siblings March 11 told police that the 6-year-old had pointed the same rifle at her and another child through a laundry room window that day.

Interviews with a child and Craig's mother indicated Forshee had previously let the 6-year-old hold the weapon.

April 27, 2014 at 3:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

A teen told police he accidentally shot his friend while they were “playing army” in his home in Knoxville.

Kenneith Lampkin, 16, of the North Side died at 12:55 a.m. Monday in UPMC Mercy, where he was taken after the shooting that police say occurred at 5:29 p.m. Saturday in a home on Zara Street, a spokesman for the Allegheny County Medical Examiner's Office said.

Joseph Robinson Jr., 16, was arrested on Sunday on charges of aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, tampering with evidence and firearms violations. Robinson, charged as an adult, told police “he accidentally shot the victim while pointing a gun at him and having his finger on the trigger,” the criminal complaint states.

April 27, 2014 at 3:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

7-year-old boy died Tuesday after he was accidentally shot by his 9-year-old brother at a home in Freeman in southeastern South Dakota.

According to Hutchinson County State’s Attorney Glenn Roth, the 9-year-old was interviewed by investigators with the South Dakota Division of Criminal Investigation after the shooting.

Roth said the 9-year-old told investigators that he and his 7-year-old brother were playing with a handgun when he pulled the trigger, thinking the gun was not loaded, and unintentionally shot the 7-year-old.

April 27, 2014 at 3:10 p.m.
tifosi said...

An 8-year-old boy and his 9-year-old cousin were riding in the back seat of a car in Richfield, Utah. According to reports:

The boy accidentally shot the girl with a .45-caliber handgun. The bullet "entered and exited the victim, and then exited the vehicle. At this time the victim is expected to be fine and is in stable condition," according to police.

Police have not released any other information, including how the boy got hold of the gun.

April 27, 2014 at 3:11 p.m.
tifosi said...

Another toddler has gotten his hands on a gun at his Oklahoma home and shot himself. From an article:

A Broken Arrow toddler has died after an accidental shooting Tuesday night.

Officers responded just before 9 p.m. to a home near 41st and 209th East Avenue for what investigators say was the "accidental discharge" of a handgun.

Upon arrival, police found a 2-year-old boy who had shot himself.

The toddler was transported to an area hospital with a gunshot wound in the upper torso.

Broken Arrow Cpl. Leon Calhoun tells 2NEWS the boy did not survive his injuries.

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

April 27, 2014 at 3:11 p.m.
tifosi said...

3 year old Texas toddler allegedly shot by 8 year old

Another toddler has been allegedly shot by a child with a loaded gun at a Texas home:

A 3-year-old Navarro County boy was shot to death Monday and authorities say an 8-year-old may have fired the deadly blast from a 20-gauge shotgun.

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

April 27, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 5-year-old boy who found a gun in his home appears to have accidentally shot and killed himself, a source within the Riverside County Sheriff's Department said Wednesday on the condition of anonymity.

The incident happened at 5:21 p.m. Tuesday in the 31000 block of Wolfskill Avenue in the rural Nuevo area of Riverside County, officials said.

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"In this area, when something like this happens, it impacts the entire community," one Nuevo resident said of the tight-knit area.

Detectives and forensics investigators spent nearly a full 24 hours in rural Riverside County trying to determind whether any foul play or negligence was involved in his death.

The boy's grandfather was in the home at the time of the shooting and was being questioned Wednesday afternoon, but a Riverside County sheriff's official told NBC4 Wednesday morning the boy appears to have accidentally shot himself in the home. (...)

"How could they have guns knowing that they have kids, and you know, these kids get into everything," Laura said.

April 27, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

Children are dying because of stupid and reckless gun owners.

Bad guys are getting guns because of stupid and reckless gun owners.

April 27, 2014 at 3:17 p.m.
tifosi said...

Former Seattle police chief calls for repeal of 2nd Amendment

ORCAS ISLAND, Wash. -- A former Seattle police chief is calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment, and the controversial idea is drawing both praise and scorn.

Norm Stamper lives away from the gritty streets of Seattle on what he calls his own slice of paradise on Orcas Island.

But the former police chief recently shattered his peace and quite when he went public with his opinion that the Second Amendment -- the right to own a gun -- should be done away with.

Stamper said he knew his proposal would cause a fire storm, but he went ahead with it anyway.

"Because I really believe in the need for us to examine the Second Amendment," he said. "I've come to the conclusion that that amendment is actually more harmful than good."

He said the amendment is out of date and "bears no resemblance to what's happening today."

Stamper, who was squeezed out of his job as police chief after the WTO riots, said owning a gun should be allowed as a right, but only with broad restrictions.

He said responsible people should be able to own certain guns, but they should be required to take classes, have certain qualifications and the guns should be tracked.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Former-police-chief-calls-for-repeal-of-2nd-Amendment-187073581.html

April 27, 2014 at 3:26 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I concur with that police chief. The second amendment is an ambiguous, poorly worded POS. There is nothing "sacred" or absolute or brilliant about it. It is as useless and preposterous as that part of the Constitution that originally declared slaves to be 3/5 of a person. It served its purpose for its time and it needs to be repealed or at least revised and rewritten in a way suitable for 21st century America. But that won't happen because those who defend it so vehemently are as irrational and passionate about it as Christian fundamentalists are about their Bible. The U.S. would be much better off without these two things: religion and the Second Amendment. They are both relics of the past and that is where they belong - in the past.

April 27, 2014 at 3:49 p.m.
GameOn said...

Sheriff David Clarke Jr. “Keep your hands off our guns, dammit.”

April 27, 2014 at 4:19 p.m.
limric said...

So Rickaroo,

What do you propose as a solution? If the 'POS' 2nd amendment is repealed as you wish, what then?

Remember, you own a gun. With the 2nd amendments repeal, you no longer have a right to have it. What then? You then become a criminal!?! "While that is indeed a hypothetical, it is a pretty damn logical hypothetical."

"I own a gun myself and I have no problem with gun ownership." Until you do.

You're trying to have it both ways.

I never advocated a Dodge City nation, nor do I have a 'gun slinging cowboy' mentality. You assumption that my defense of my rights automatically brands me as a gun nut is wrong and does not further your point of view.

April 27, 2014 at 4:19 p.m.
tifosi said...

Retired Supreme Court Justice Stevens proposes re-writing the Second Amendment:

Stevens argues for a 5-word change to the Second Amendment: “the right of the people to keep and bear arms – when serving in the Militia – shall not be infringed,”

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/04/21/retired-supreme-court-justice-proposes-5-word-change-to-2nd-amendment/

April 27, 2014 at 4:42 p.m.

tifosi, so?

All of those are tragic, but how does that translate into losing our right to defend ourselves? Get rid of cars, knives, plastic bags, baseball bats, canes, pools, motorcycles, stairs, ice, food (choking), water, bicycles, nearly all sports, and so on.

April 27, 2014 at 4:43 p.m.
tifosi said...

My point in posting the 2nd Amendment proposals is that gun owners had better wake up and start policing themselves. There is momentum gaining for making changes. I am sure gun owners will not like it.

My advice is that gun owners should start seriously promoting basic gun safety of securing your firearms. Every soldier is taught that in basic training and the consequences of not securing a firearm are very serious.

April 27, 2014 at 4:46 p.m.
tifosi said...

zableed - I am going to challenge you to make a rational argument in opposition to what you just posted. That is what intelligent people are capable of doing. They can see both sides.

Or, do you think children dying is an acceptable consequence to having the right to own firearms?

April 27, 2014 at 4:49 p.m.

Decisions based on emotion are responsible for much more damage, like the nazi movement, all the various dictatorships throughout history, and so on, then gun ownership.

Gun owners should be responsible, should be schooled on gun safety, and 99% of the are. It's a no brainer. You're attacking the wrong people.

Responsible gun owners don't have to wake up to anything, they shouldn't be lumped into a category with criminals, morons and lunatics.

The fact is you libs oppose the right to own a gun, period. You use emotional arguments. There is no need for me to oppose my argument. Slap me with the label of being unintelligent if you want.

Of course I don't want children dying. That has nothing to do with the right to own a gun/defend yourself.

Look at your last sentence. It's all emotional. Of course, you libs always bring up the children. It's not an "acceptable consequence to owning a gun". No sane person feels that way.

Do you think children dying in pools, car accidents or falling down stairs is an acceptable consequence of being fortunate enough to own a car and a house?

Gun owners who own a gun the proper way, are responsible, and are law abiding shouldn't be punished and lose their right to defend themselves because of the stupidity, irresponsibility or criminal activities of others.

April 27, 2014 at 5:14 p.m.
RShultz210 said...

Zableed my friend, don't worry about fairmon, Rickaroo, the ever amusing mr.Provancher, and the rest of these liberals in here. They are all bat guano crazy and NONE of their "proposals" least of all confiscation, will EVER fly. Confiscation in particular would be nigh unto impossible. The BATFE(and however many more letters they tack on) would lose so many agents they couldn't function as a cohesive unit after the FIRST DAY, and THAT assumes that a majority of their agents would even obey an order to try to confiscate their friends and neighbors guns, or the army or anyone else this slack-eyed silly bunch of yahoos tries to turn to. And not one letter of the second amendment will ever be changed because as du-mb as these drooling hydrocephalic f00ls are, they KNOW if they EVER tried that, their days of sitting in a recliner f@-r-ting through silk would be OVER! Not only would they lose their jobs, they would probably lose their lives.

April 27, 2014 at 5:37 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Gun owners should be responsible, should be schooled on gun safety, and 99% of the are. It's a no brainer. You're attacking the wrong people."

I'm not attacking anyone. The majority of gun owners will defend their right to leave a firearm unsecured. Are all of your firearms under lock and key?

The NRA does say in their handbook that securing a firearm is part of gun safety, but they will not promote that concept because they realize there will be backlash.

That simple act would prevent the very issues that are gaining momentum against gun owners. Sandy Hook would have been prevented if firearms had been properly secured. Very elementary. Even a soldier knows it.

RShultz - The 18th Amendment was amended. Keep your head in the sand like those that passed the 18th Amendment. Then you will be crying the blues. I have sent more rounds downrange than you ever will.

Once mothers turn against gun owners, then the rest will follow. The problem is only going to get worse.

https://www.facebook.com/MomsandDadsAgainstGunViolence

April 27, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.
tifosi said...

There was a boycott against Gander Mountain being pushed by "responsible gun owners" when Gander offered 50,000 free gun locks.

"I emplore you to read this and cease any further patronage of Gander Mountain let them cater to the hippys and anti-gun minority and see how long they can stay in business, maybe they can convert the gun counter into a coffee shop selling $12.00 lattes."

http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/250206-boycott-gander-mountain.html

April 27, 2014 at 6:10 p.m.
fairmon said...

I find no instance where the SCOTUS has ever ruled that taxing and registration of arms was an infringement of "the peoples" right to have and bear arms. There have been split decisions on "a well trained militia" with the military reserves appearing to satisfy the requirements. A good case could be made for mandatory training and registration of all guns.

The amendment was written with muzzle loaders and less densely populated areas as the reference points. It also recognized if attacked people would be able to help defend the country. The NRA is paranoid and willing to allow the ghetto (ghetto does not mean black) criminals to continue looting and killing.

April 27, 2014 at 6:24 p.m.
RShultz210 said...

Tifosi said: "RShultz - The 18th Amendment was amended. Keep your head in the sand like those that passed the 18th Amendment. Then you will be crying the blues. I have sent more rounds downrange than you ever will."
And you think because you MAY, I say MAY, shoot more than I do that you know more about what's going to happen, and the general attitude of American gun owners than I do? Fine. You just keep thinking that. And when they come for your gun you just go right ahead and give it to them. I'm sure they'll probably get mine too, but they'll need an oven mitt because they'll be taking it barrel first, empty, and hot. My gun is not locked up, it's locked and loaded and it stays that way. And there's somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million Americans who think the same way I do.

April 27, 2014 at 6:25 p.m.
tifosi said...

RShultz has little faith in the U.S. Constitution and chooses to play on the ignorance of others to create fear. Folks like Schultzy like to play the Hitler card in these arguments. They want to completely discount the 4th Amendment with this irrational argument.

Nothing "MAY" about it. I am pretty sure I have sent more rounds downrange before breakfast than you have in your life. Tank commanders in the 2nd Cavalry do that.

Kind of like shooting fish in a barrel.

April 27, 2014 at 6:29 p.m.
limric said...

Rshultz,

I think you are underestimating soullessness of 'careerists' and the rise & power of the 'warrior cops'.

April 27, 2014 at 6:33 p.m.
limric said...

God damn tankers! I'm still a bit hard of hearing because you guys can't see who's -- HEY!! Wait a -- BOOM!!

April 27, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.
RShultz210 said...

Just like a liberal. You go on like this about people you know nothing about. I'm not creating fear, I am saying exactly the opposite. This government will never manage to confiscate the weapons of it's citizens. Thousands of government agents will die if they even try it, and they know that so they'll never try. And I really don't give a damn how much you shoot. I practice enough to keep my skill level because it is a perishable skill, and I don't brag about it the way you do. So go cr*p in your hat.

April 27, 2014 at 6:43 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Limric, there are an infinite number of things not mentioned in the Bill of Rights but that doesn’t mean we can’t still legally own them. No other Western European country has a Second Amendment or anything resembling it, yet they are not exactly living out their lives under an oppressive tyrannical government. The citizens of most of those countries can still own a gun if they want to, only not with the same degree of (excessive) freedom we have here. They have the good sense to treat guns as the dangerous weapons they are and place severe restrictions on them. It is no mere coincidence that here where we have the most freedom to own guns we also have the highest number of gun deaths and gun violence. If that is a freedom that you deem so precious so as not to make laws that regulate such weapons, well, that is a freedom that you gun lovers cans shove up your ever-lovin’ asses.

As for what I propose as a solution….I do not have the answer. I honestly think that we passed the point of no-return a long time ago. We are so awash in guns and gun nuts who have such an irrational, depraved attachment to them that we can’t even suggest any kind of sensible legislation without being accused, like Shultzy is doing here, of wanting to confiscate your guns (I challenge you, Shultz, to point out anywhere in any of my posts that I so much as hinted at such a thing. Revising the Second Amendment would not necessarily mean a ban on guns - I realize that is never going to happen. It would just mean looking at them through the eyes of a 21st century American instead of an 18th century American). And this past decade there have been no laws restricting guns or their use in any way. To the contrary, we have had countless laws that have loosened restrictions and allowed more people to carry firearms in more places. Yet the gun nuts still keep getting their panties in a wad, whining about “confiscation” and how the Second Amendment means that they are supposed to be able to carry their damn guns any friggin’ place they so desire. My problem with the Second Amendment is not so much the amendment itself but the crazy ways the gun nuts are interpreting it, to expand their freedoms in whatever ways that suit their desires.

Whatever the answer is to our out-of-control gun violence, I don’t see how putting more guns in the hands of more people is going to solve it. We must be better than to think we can’t come up with a solution that is truly more peaceful than that. That is not a solution, that is just stooping to the lowest common denominator and saying violence is simply the American way and the price we pay for the “freedom” to kill each other.

April 27, 2014 at 6:59 p.m.
tifosi said...

"God damn tankers! I'm still a bit hard of hearing because you guys can't see who's -- HEY!! Wait a -- BOOM!!"

ROFLMAO!!! But hey... we took care of what ever was in front of you. We did resist firing SABOT over friendly.

April 27, 2014 at 7:08 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Mr. Shultz, I wish you could hear yourself, how stupid you sound when you go on and on about "confiscation." Who in the big bad gubmint is talking about coming after your precious guns?! Obama never even mentions gun control except in the immediate aftermath of a mass shooting, and even then it has nothing to do with coming after your guns. He only talks about getting rid of the loopholes and maybe tightening up the restrictions on magazines and the number of rounds allowed by law. And then, he lets even that much talk promptly fade away and he doesn't bring it up at all... until the next mass shooting. And then he just goes round and round with the same old rhetoric but he has never bothered to follow through with any of it. And no Democrat is actively pursuing gun control either...and certainly not talking about "confiscation."

You like to talk about what a responsible gun owner you are, but anybody who is as paranoid as you are about gun confiscation is obviously not playing with a full deck. You are likely to start shooting those phantom black helicopters and gun confiscators any day now. I saw how sane and responsible all those gun owners were who showed up in defense of that millionaire moocher and retarded redneck Cliven Bundy. Yessir, they were the cream o' the crop. You are in some fine company there, Mr. Shultz.

April 27, 2014 at 7:16 p.m.
tifosi said...

Confiscation in this country would be impossible. I would be one the first to resist illegal search and seizure (4th Amendment).

April 27, 2014 at 7:28 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

NOBODY is even talking about confiscation. It is a straw argument that gun nuts keep bringing up and ascribing to liberals. The only successful gun legislation to come down the pike the last few years has come from Republicans who have managed to succeed in LOOSENING gun restrictions and EXPANDING the number of places where gun owners can legally carry. All the laws are going in favor of the gun nuts and even then they keep whining about the infringements to their effin' freedom.

April 27, 2014 at 7:45 p.m.
tifosi said...

Wasn't the Brady Bill pushed... by??? Why yes it was President Ronald Reagan. I wonder what President Reagan would have thought about the Sandy Hook massacre.

April 27, 2014 at 7:53 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Conservatives" suffer from delusions of grandeur when it comes to talking about Reagan. They have created this false Reagan that minimally resembles the Ronald Reagan that actually existed.

April 27, 2014 at 8:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

I consider President Reagan the greatest president in my lifetime. Conservatives today have little in common with "The Great Communicator"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn_yLWttxc4

April 27, 2014 at 8:26 p.m.
RShultz210 said...

Well Rickaroo, you're finally getting it at least marginally. Anything really bad that I can make stick to a liberal I'm going to. And the rest of us "gun nuts" are doing the same thing. I loved this last post. I got you to show a typical liberal's contempt for the whole concept of freedom. "they keep whining about the infringements to their effin' freedom." Wonder what your ordinary guy is gonna think about liberals when he reads that one. Keep that up and I'll be happy as a bug in a rug. LOL

April 27, 2014 at 8:37 p.m.
tifosi said...

Fantasy boy.

April 27, 2014 at 8:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Nothing has changed here

April 27, 2014 at 9:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

With confiscation not a possibility due to the number of people with the attitude of Shultz210 then why not have required training, registration and strict regulation? I own several guns and have a carry permit and have no problem with reasonable regulation and keeping guns away from those most likely to commit a crime with a gun. The police know people that have no training, no permit etc. that are likely to have a gun, why do they still have them?

Anyone committing murder with a gun where the evidence is not circumstantial should receive the death penalty without delay. Why are people like Sirhan Sirhan with his shooting of Robert Kennedy on videotape still alive and seeking parole? Manson is still being provided for by tax payers at a ridiculous cost. It makes no sense for people like them to still be a drain of money that could be used to help people in need.

April 27, 2014 at 9:41 p.m.
alprova said...

Limric wrote: "But as flawed as this parallel is, it also further threatens the civil liberties of ordinary citizens; a risk worse than the ‘fear’ of a populace’s right to own firearms."

It's not necessarily a flawed parallel, and here's why;

Imagine if no one was made to register their motor vehicles. Someone ruins a red light and nails you in the side of your car. If there is no tag number to see, what are the chances that the red light runner would book it out of there.

"Officer...it was a red Mustang."

Now...if guns were required to be registered and barrel tested, if a gun is used to kill someone, someone's gonna get a knock on their front door.

If the gun was stolen and reported stolen, the owner is not going to receive scrutiny as a suspect.

Yes...it's intrusive. Yes...it's a hassle. But common sense tells you that anyone who owns a gun that is legally registered and tested, that person is going to keep up with it far more carefully than a nation of Saturday Night Specials that we have now.

April 27, 2014 at 10:05 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Try again, Shultz. Wonder what the ordinary guy thinks when he looks at whackos like you whose concept of freedom is like that of a spoiled 6 yr.-old: "I want what I want and I want it now!"

I cherish freedom as much as anybody. But maturing as an adult means that we accept certain facts of life and it is a fact of life that being a member of society entails various sacrifices of individual freedoms in the name of the common good (yes, common good, a term that you libertarians and teabaggers erroneously think is the equivalent of Communism).

Teabaggers whine about taxes and the loss of their "freedom," even though we in America pay less in taxes than anybody in practically any other industrialized nation. And you gun nuts keep whining about the infringements on your freedom, even though here in America you already enjoy practically the least restrictions on guns than any other country on the planet. But you won't be happy until you remove any and all laws and regulations and turn America into a combat zone where guns are as prevalent as cowboy hats and boots in a redneck bar.

You're a bug in a rug alright, Shultzy. You're wrapped so tight in it, you can't see what the world around you really looks like. All you see is your selfish, narrow, twisted notion of "individual freedom" and that's all that matters to you. Enjoy your rug, bug.

April 27, 2014 at 10:35 p.m.
limric said...

The comparison is flawed Alprova. Owning and operating an automobile is not a right; bearing arms is. That’s a substantial difference.

Also. Guns are not 3000lb steel projectiles hurtling about – everywhere – every day.

Think about it. On a daily basis, how many motor vehicles do you see or actually use? You can’t keep track can you. Now, how about guns. How many do you see or actually use during the same period? Not that many, if any at all.

That too is a substantial difference.

April 28, 2014 at 9:16 a.m.
alprova said...

LImric wrote: "The comparison is flawed Alprova. Owning and operating an automobile is not a right; bearing arms is. That’s a substantial difference."

So what? There is a right to life as well, but due to careless gun ownership and a free flow of weaponry into hands where they do not belong, people ARE deprived of that right to live.

"Also. Guns are not 3000lb steel projectiles hurtling about – everywhere – every day."

But...and this is a BIG but...the only purpose of a gun is to cause bodily harm to another living being.

"Think about it. On a daily basis, how many motor vehicles do you see or actually use? You can’t keep track can you. Now, how about guns. How many do you see or actually use during the same period? Not that many, if any at all."

Okay...I'll definitely agree with that, but if guns were registered and test fired for future reference, what are the chances that gun owners would be far more careful to keep up with them and not just have them laying around for someone to steal or to pack in a backpack and head off to school to shoot a bunch of children with?

Clearly, there are no solutions that will prevent any and all gun tragedies, but we've got to start somewhere, and sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring the issue isn't getting us anywhere.

April 28, 2014 at 10:30 a.m.
limric said...

This Irrational fear of guns and owners has provides a rabid desire for knee jerk – i.e. ‘Tinkerbelle Legislation’.

One wave of the magic wand -- er, passing of a new gun law and POUFF!! -- guns will instantly disappear from the hands of criminals and the unworthy. Ah…no.

Heads in the sand?? There are a myriad of laws regarding firearm use in the commission of a crime. The need for the a fore mentioned legislation conveniently omits this fact. Why?

By the way, what's today's drone death count?

April 28, 2014 at 11:22 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

limric, surely you can't feel that when "licensed" gun owners misuse or mishandle their firearms that it should go unpunished. That is what is happening today. You have GOP-appointed judges or elected DA's letting gunowners walk to satisfy constituents and the NRA. That guy in GA that shot the guy with Alzheimer's, no way that guy should not have been charged and tried. And it's going to happen more and more. I own two firearms so I am not anti-2nd Amendment, but I also don't feel that no restrictions is necessarily the answer either.

April 28, 2014 at 11:59 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Bennett, like most Liberals, blames guns for killing people.

Has he ever shown a knife with blood on it?

Has he ever shown a club of any type with blood on it?

Has he ever shown a car with blood on it?

Has he ever shown a packet of dope with blood on it?

Has he ever shown a can of beer with blood on it?

Has he ever shown a bottle of poison with blood on it

My guess is that the people who would agree with Mr. Bennett's toon have no idea what a gun has to do with any of the above.

April 28, 2014 at 12:08 p.m.
conservative said...

If Mr. Bennett was a Conservative then his message here would be that gun control is a futile effort.

April 28, 2014 at 12:14 p.m.
limric said...

GaussianInteger,

You’re right, I don’t feel that ”when "licensed" gun owners misuse or mishandle their firearms that it should go unpunished.” You are (as are others) broad brushing the issue, and me. The essence of the disagreement boils down to this: ‘If you don’t agree with increased control/registration, then you’re a gun nut and you’re Wild West mind set is unhealthy in a modern civilized society.’ It is a fallacious and disingenuous slant.

By the way, I think you need to look further into the Georgia case you mentioned. And in the same vein; do you think the George Zimmerman (of Florida fame) case was fairly adjudicated?

April 28, 2014 at 12:19 p.m.
alprova said...

connie, I don't see a gun with blood on it in the cartoon either, so as usual, I fail to understand what, if any, point you are attempting to make.

There is only one purpose for ever picking up a gun and pulling the trigger, and when one does pull the trigger, the intent is to take a life.

Guns do kill people.

April 28, 2014 at 1:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, you are a Liberal, that is why you don't get it.

PEOPLE murder and die by guns, knives, clubs, cars, dope, alcohol etc.

Guns, knives, clubs, cars, dope , alcohol etc. are only inanimate objects.

I pull a trigger quite often and I have not killed anyone lately.

Many people have pulled a trigger to defend themselves, another and in time of war. When my life, my families life, or another is at stake, I have no problem making sure that the would be killer is the one who loses his life.

No gun has ever been tried for killing another.

You Liberals lack understanding.

April 28, 2014 at 2:01 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Limric, I have looked into the GA case. The girlfriend has shared information that doesn't mesh with the boyfriend that shot the man. There is an element of doubt of how things went down. Same thing with Zimmerman.

I didn't mean to "broad-brush" you, but from what I gathered, you seem opposed to any type of regulation or imposed penalty. I disagree with you if that's your stance.

April 28, 2014 at 2:11 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

ConMan, give it a rest. By your logic, why did we wage war against Iraq for WMD's? Why should we care which country develops and possesses nuclear weapons?

April 28, 2014 at 2:12 p.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger

You are the one who should give it a rest. Just saying "give it a rest" and then wandering off only reinforces my contention that Liberals lack understanding.

April 28, 2014 at 2:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie wrote: "PEOPLE murder and die by guns, knives, clubs, cars, dope, alcohol etc."

Yeah...and? But nothing is more absolute than a gun.

"I pull a trigger quite often and I have not killed anyone lately."

Have you witnessed to someone lately? Did they live through that?

"Many people have pulled a trigger to defend themselves, another and in time of war. When my life, my families life, or another is at stake, I have no problem making sure that the would be killer is the one who loses his life."

And who has a problem with that? No one I know of.

"No gun has ever been tried for killing another."

Guns have indeed went off without human intervention, but alas...you are correct. No gun has killed another gun.

"You Liberals lack understanding."

No we don't. We understand very well that guns wind up where they do not belong and it is usually due to the carelessness of law abiding gun owners. Registration is a logical step in forcing gun owners to become RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

April 28, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher-

You seem to enjoy reading yourself. You just respond with something even if it is meaningless.

For example:

Connie wrote: "PEOPLE murder and die by guns, knives, clubs, cars, dope, alcohol etc."

"Yeah...and? But nothing is more absolute than a gun."

Death IS still absolute, no matter the instrument! You must just type without thinking.

"I pull a trigger quite often and I have not killed anyone lately."

"Have you witnessed to someone lately? Did they live through that?"

See, you just have to respond with something, even an insult.

"No we don't. We understand very well that guns wind up where they do not belong and it is usually due to the carelessness of law abiding gun owners. Registration is a logical step in forcing gun owners to become RESPONSIBLE gun owners"

Your response has nothing to do with the statement of mine that you left out. I guess you didn't understand.

Now, you wander off and away from killing to registration because you just had to type something.

April 28, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^. Usual drivel

April 28, 2014 at 3:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

Dumb and Dumber personified.

April 28, 2014 at 3:19 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... ^^^ Usual drivel"

Just like your usual drivel, huh?

"Plain Truth Said... Clive Bundy is simply displaying an act of love. April 11, 2014 at 12:51 p.m."

Good Ole Boy Clive and the Clippers' Owner may not be good at DISPLAYING their acts of love but no one can deny they do a helluva job of talking about their love for others. LOL

April 28, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

ibshame, PT just heard all of the "Clive Bundy Love" going around on Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox News, and the other GOP-drivel. If the GOP tells PT to wear red, you better believe he's decked-out from head to toe in it. I thought something was missing over the past couple of days, no GOP Twitter-link to hit the board.

April 28, 2014 at 3:36 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Ok, ConMan, just answer why we went to war with Iraq in 2003 and why you feel it was justified.

April 28, 2014 at 3:53 p.m.

Donald Sterling has been an owner since 1981. To believe the NBA management and players didn't know about his character and activites would be naive.

April 28, 2014 at 4:12 p.m.
conservative said...

Gaus:

You obviously have me confused with someone whom you have been arguing with about an event occurring over a decade ago and have not gotten over it.

April 28, 2014 at 4:19 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Not at all. Let me refresh your memory. We invaded Iraq because of evidence of WMD's. But as you stated, WMD's are "inanimate objects". So let me ask you again, why should we have invaded Iraq? Why should we care if North Korea or Iran build nuclear weapons?

April 28, 2014 at 4:25 p.m.

The GOP looks like they're going to elevate illegal aliens to saint status pretty soon, and they've stated that BOcare is here to stay. SO, how are they different than the Dems? To keep insisting that the GOP is some kind of rival to the Democrat Party is very ridiculous. They work together. They're one big mass of corruption.

April 28, 2014 at 4:38 p.m.
conservative said...

conservative said...

Gaus:

You obviously have me confused with someone whom you have been arguing with about an event occurring over a decade ago and have not gotten over it.

April 28, 2014 at 4:19 p.m.

April 28, 2014 at 4:39 p.m.
RShultz210 said...

Rickaroo said: "it is a fact of life that being a member of society entails various sacrifices of individual freedoms in the name of the common good" He ALSO said that I have a: "selfish, narrow, twisted notion of "individual freedom"" Guilty. And it's sacred to a HELL of a lot of ordinary people, and you just convinced at least 10 or 15 more of them that you're bat sh*t crazy just like I said you were. You have nothing but contempt for ALL individual freedom.

April 28, 2014 at 5:41 p.m.
tifosi said...

Schultzy called a press conference today: http://youtu.be/DVG1q49yPaY

April 28, 2014 at 6:46 p.m.
Astropig said...

@AlProv-

"Yes...it's intrusive. Yes...it's a hassle."

So is obtaining a government issued ID in order to vote legally.But your side won't even allow discussion of this. When you positively identify voters, I'll barrel test my gun.

April 28, 2014 at 7:35 p.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo said....I cherish freedom as much as anybody. But maturing as an adult means that we accept certain facts of life and it is a fact of life that being a member of society entails various sacrifices of individual freedoms in the name of the common good.

That is philosophical BS used by the legal community and those in politics. The question is who is to decide what is best for the common good. The constitution doesn't suggest anyone has a right to be supported by other citizens in the form of government welfare.

Is it for the common good to make it more attractive to the job providers to move their company domicile and 1000's of jobs to find a friendlier and more appreciative government? Is it for the "greater good" to have the highest published tax rate on businesses in the world. Is it for the greater good to select a few companies that use what the system provides pay less tax then bad mouth them to no end? Is it for the greater good to provide incentives to not work equal to those provided to work? Is it for the greater good that those without the KSA to do important work be paid as though they were contributing more than they are?

The sacrifice for the greater good you allude to refers to protecting the country and the peoples liberty and freedoms. Are we to assume congress ignoring the waste, fraud and unnecessary spending in the billions is for "the greater good"?

April 28, 2014 at 7:52 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Mr. Shultz, you libertarians are stuck in some adolescent phase of development. You have not matured enough to accept the fact that other people have desires, needs, and rights that are just as important as yours, and sometimes those rights trump your rights. You call me batsh#t crazy and in contempt of freedom because I have come to accept that fact of life? Bubba, I love and cherish freedom every bit as much as you do. I just happen to have developed in my maturing process to realize that certain laws are essential and there is a greater good than my own.

If being called batsh#t crazy by you puts me in a different camp than you and your libertarian ilk I will gladly wear that moniker.

April 28, 2014 at 8:10 p.m.
tifosi said...

Keep in mind the Teabaggers are a minority and shrinking fast.

April 28, 2014 at 8:21 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Retired Supreme court Justice Stevens has the best solution: a simple amendment to the constitution: "The right of the people to bear arms in military service shall not be restricted.

April 28, 2014 at 8:59 p.m.
tifosi said...

Amen. Too many idiots with guns abusing America. It is resulting in the slaughter of children and arming criminals.

April 28, 2014 at 9:04 p.m.
tifosi said...

Danville police are investigating an incident that sent a 5-year-old boy to the hospital with a gunshot wound.

Director of Public Safety Larry Thomason said Sunday that police were called to Presence United Samaritans Medical Center emergency room about 9:30 p.m. Saturday.

“The child was taken to the ER by private vehicle,” he said. “Hospital staff alerted police. The 5-year-old had a gunshot to the upper body.”

“According to early investigation the incident took place in an apartment in the Belton Street area,” Thomason said. “It appears that another juvenile male, 10 years of age, was with the 5-year-old and a loaded weapon was being played with.”

April 28, 2014 at 9:06 p.m.
tifosi said...

Greene County Sheriff Dan Langston said 3-year-old Logan Carter of Fontaine died from a gunshot wound in his head. The sheriff said a relative accidentally shot Logan with a .45-caliber semi-automatic handgun Saturday.

According to the sheriff's office, the boy's family took him to Arkansas Methodist Medical Center in Paragould after the shooting. The boy was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Langston said officials are still investigating the case to determine whether any charges should be filed.

April 28, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 4-year-old boy was fatally shot in Detroit on Thursday in what police said was a tragic, avoidable accident.

The shooter was the boy’s 4-year-old cousin.

Sgt. Michael Woody, a Detroit police spokesman, said the children were playing in the back bedroom of a home in the 7100 block of Tuxedo when the cousin found a rifle — loaded and not locked in a case — underneath the bed.

He said the girl pointed the gun at her cousin and pulled the trigger, shooting him in the chest. (...)

Police Capt. Rodney Cox called the shooting a “tragic, tragic accident,” but one that was avoidable. Cox said the department stands behind responsible gun ownership, but “preliminarily, this does not appear to be responsible gun ownership.”

Woody said guns should be kept unloaded, locked in a case and out of the reach of children.

“This is an example of how we must maintain gun safety,” Cox said.

April 28, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

ConMan is such a tool. Oh well, I guess I should be happy he's not inundating me with bible verses or discussing anal.

April 28, 2014 at 9:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

Guns are a top target for home burglars looking for something they can easily sell on the street.

An estimated 230,000 guns per year are stolen in home burglaries and property crimes, according to a study by the Department of Justice.

"Any burglar that goes in a house and finds guns, their eyes are going to light up," says former ATF Assistant Director Mike Bouchard. "That's the first thing they're going to take."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hot-guns-fueling-crime-us-study/story?id=18318610

April 28, 2014 at 9:12 p.m.

LOL listen to this bull$hit.

If a burglar comes into my home looking for a gun to steal so that he'll be able to sell it on the street, he'll get some steel in his ass.

You can bring up the children all you want, it has nothing to do with our right to own a firearm.

April 28, 2014 at 9:18 p.m.
tifosi said...

I present facts. You present hyperbole.

April 28, 2014 at 9:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

Wesley Noland was more than a little surprised when his 9-year-old son found a loaded handgun in the restroom of an Ybor City movie theater on Sunday.

He was downright shocked to find out Tuesday that the person who left it there was a Hillsborough County sheriff's detective.

"He made a grave mistake," Noland said. "He took an oath to protect the public but he has breached that oath. He put kids' lives in jeopardy. It's not like you left your keys or cell phone. This is a tool of life and death."

The Glock 26 9 mm handgun was the personal handgun of Sheriff's Det. Luke Hussey. The detective had gone to at Centro Ybor 20 Plaza to see the latest Superman movie, "Man of Steel,'' and accidentally left it on top of the toilet paper dispenser while on a bathroom break.

http://tbo.com/sheriffs-detective-leaves-gun-in-movie-theater-bathroom-20130618/

April 28, 2014 at 9:45 p.m.

Hyperbole?

No, those facts have no bearing on our 2nd amendment rights.

The children, accidents, whatever. NO ONE wants a tragedy to occur.

Every time someone brings up the children we lose some freedom.

April 28, 2014 at 10:11 p.m.
tifosi said...

The fact is - the 2nd Amendment can be changed.

Every time someone brings up the children, it reminds us of the reality and the recklessness of gun owners.

It is the reckless gun owners that are causing the loss of freedom.

LOCK UP THE GUNS!!!

April 28, 2014 at 10:37 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

zab is the kind of guy who gets shot by home invadewrs

April 28, 2014 at 11:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

inquiringmind said...

Retired Supreme court Justice Stevens has the best solution: a simple amendment to the constitution: "The right of the people to bear arms in military service shall not be restricted.

Why not, "those that served and trained in the U.S. military will have the right to bear arms and be part of the trained militia"?

April 29, 2014 at 12:54 a.m.
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