published Wednesday, August 20th, 2014

Military Planning

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

By golly, GWB would have been right there in Ferguson, directing things like it was a major movie production.

August 20, 2014 at 12:10 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^ fraud, liar, coward.

August 20, 2014 at 1:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

A good example of if you don't know where you are and don't know where you are going any road will get you there.

Can I have a vow please?

August 20, 2014 at 2:58 a.m.

There are plenty of war zones in this country, but Ferguson is not one of them. The media wants it to be, and so does the Democrat Party.

Chicago, LA, NYC, Philly, Detroit, etc., those are war zones with plenty of gunfire and innocent people being killed just about every day.

I guess that's not "sexy" enough though, huh. There's tons of money to made by the race industry.

The militarization of the police departments is a concern in my opinion, and it should be a concern for everyone no matter what race they are. The natural tendency of the left/liberals is to control and eliminate those who don't agree, so it would be easy to see how a complete control freak and narcissist like BO would like clamping down on citizens. BO would love a police state.

August 20, 2014 at 5:49 a.m.

Look at the networks all setting up there and covering it 24/7. They want something to happen. Sharpton, Black Panthers, libs, Dems, and the media love it. What a juicy story, black vs white.

Completely transparent.

August 20, 2014 at 6:55 a.m.
alprovagator said...

Fat al-bert must be driving to Ferguson.

August 20, 2014 at 8:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

Obama to staff...Who is ISIS, where have they been, where will they go? I am the leader I need to know. We are the greatest and the world is tranquil. They won't attack us here and that is what I will tell the people as soon as I finish this round of golf.

August 20, 2014 at 8:53 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Z does not read the press very closely. LA is doing very positive things to right a situation that is very much like the one in Ferguson now.

Guess he doesn't read the front page of the TFP either, plenty of gunfire and violence here as well, not to mention the verbal violence called bigotry that he spews on this editorial site.

As Fox News (and CNN) knows too well, pandering to folk's paranoia by overexposing a legitimate news item, or distorting it into something it is not, sells product.

August 20, 2014 at 9:02 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

The only edit I'd have for the cartoon is to have both generals and politicians around the table

August 20, 2014 at 9:04 a.m.
Maximus said...

BHO the coward POTUS is on vacation.....nuff said. Oh and by the way Eric a Holder is the one who is "weaponizing" our police forces throughout the U.S. Getting ready for Obama's final TRANSFORMATION of the U.S.!

An example....the Ferguson, MO case is not a federal offense. Holder and the FBI should not be involved. Wait a minute......BANG! BANG! Another drive by murder in Democrat Chicago.....a good friend of Barry The Welfare Pimp and former Chief Of Staff, Rahim "Dead Fish" Emmanuel is the Coward Mayor of Chicago. Obama really really has some nice friends doesn't he...Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Thug Jay Z........now that is funny! :)

August 20, 2014 at 9:12 a.m.
conservative said...

A strong show of force to a mob intent on burning and looting is a deterrent.

People are certain to be injured when a mob erupts and some lose their lives.

It is the duty of the police to prevent this from occurring.

Why can't Liberals understand this?

August 20, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Very simple. As ever, The Democrat Party needs racial unrest.

August 20, 2014 at 9:26 a.m.
conservative said...

The Demoncrat Party certainly needs racial unrest come voting time.

August 20, 2014 at 9:44 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Oh and by the way Eric a Holder is the one who is "weaponizing" our police forces throughout the U.S. Getting ready for Obama's final TRANSFORMATION of the U.S.!"

As usual, you are guilty of making up a lie off the top of your head. This one is no less one of your all-time whoppers.

Police forces throughout the nation, right down to the smallest towns, began receiving excess military grade supplies and vehicles in in 1981. It was ramped up following 9/11 by the GWB Administration.

The "tradition" has continued right up to this year, thanks to the Patriot Act being renewed and more money spent to equip police departments with "donated" military grade arms and vehicles.

What it is not is a President Obama agenda. This one goes back to Ronald Reagan and a bi-partisan Congress.

"Ever since Ronald Reagan in 1981 helped draw up the Military Cooperation With Law Enforcement Act, quickly passed by a very cooperative congress, effectively circumventing the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by codifying military cooperation with law enforcement, the military has been encouraged to give any and all law enforcement agencies unfettered access to all military resources, training and hardware included."

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-militarization-of-american-police-and-shredding-of-our-constitutional-rights-started-30-years-ago.html

August 20, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.

inq, there is no comparison between Ferguson and LA in anyway.

Ferguson is a place you libs are now going to exploit forever.

As long your spokespeople are idiots,criminals and frauds like Al Sharpton(Tawana Brawley) then you deserve to be ridiculed.

The fact that you have more respect for Al Sharpton than Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Condi Rice and Walter Williams tells me everything you need to know. Did you teach your children to admire a race hustler like Sharpton?

August 20, 2014 at 9:55 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Ferguson is a place you libs are now going to exploit forever."

Uh...Mr. Potato Head, no one is exploiting it any more than you have over the past ten days. You have been giddy as can be to use it to bash every liberal who will give you the time of day.

"As long your spokespeople are idiots,criminals and frauds like Al Sharpton(Tawana Brawley) then you deserve to be ridiculed."

Al Sharpton nor any other "black leader" would ever be considered to be my "spokesman." Your reputation is such that you refuse to honestly debate anything. Lies and false charges permeate your posts every single day.

"The fact that you have more respect for Al Sharpton than Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Condi Rice and Walter Williams tells me everything you need to know. Did you teach your children to admire a race hustler like Sharpton?"

Idiot, when has anyone EVER defended Al Sharpton or any other black leader in this forum? Ever?

No one has ever made a favorable comparison of Al Sharpton to that of Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Condi Rice, or Walter Williams.

QUIT LYING!!

August 20, 2014 at 10:07 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"The Demoncrat Party certainly needs racial unrest come voting time."

No they don't. They just need a "Conservative" (ie Aiken, Palin, etc.) to open their mouth. Works every time.

August 20, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.

Good point, Jack. Libs love to divide and use race to get votes.

August 20, 2014 at 10:16 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo screams QUIT LYING!! lol, this from the foremost liar ever to grace this forum. Priceless!

August 20, 2014 at 10:16 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova....a legend in his own renally impaired mind. I'm actually quite flattered when he takes the time to research my posts. When you a fatty welfare scumbag you have all the time in the world.

Well, I'm flying to Cali today. Gotta make some money while visiting Napa Valley. It's good to be a 1%er and if you wide eyed in wonder Obama lovers think Obama gives a rats ass about social justice in Ferguson you are retarded. Obama likes to live the 1%er lifestyle so does Michelle and the girls. You suckers!

And Al the Obama guvment has been buying ammo at a furious pace ever since he was elected. Curious isn't it?

August 20, 2014 at 10:17 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...
August 20, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

I imagined that z-fister was not going to look at the facts before opening his mouth. Now he is trying to convince us democrats started the mess in Ferguson! Alice in Wonderland here.

August 20, 2014 at 10:49 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Alprova....a legend in his own renally impaired mind. I'm actually quite flattered when he takes the time to research my posts."

God knows you don't. Someone has to correct your misinformation all the time. I don't understand why you even try to post the crap you attempt to pass off in here.

"When you a fatty welfare scumbag you have all the time in the world."

You're so full of lies. I am not on welfare, Mr. Pathological liar.

I make time to be accurate when I post into this forum. And it does not hurt that I have no hidden agenda to demean and vilify our President.

"Well, I'm flying to Cali today. Gotta make some money while visiting Napa Valley. It's good to be a 1%er..."

Sure you are. What kind of faux business are you involved with today? You seem to change them more often than you change your underwear.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jun/20/evidence-room-cartoon-clay-bennett-times/#c234519

"...and if you wide eyed in wonder Obama lovers think Obama gives a rats ass about social justice in Ferguson you are retarded. Obama likes to live the 1%er lifestyle so does Michelle and the girls. You suckers!"

I think most people are concerned with seeing social justice being the end result in Ferguson, Missouri, whichever way it goes.

Unfortunately, most of the whites are lining up on one side, rooting for the Daren Wilson to be cleared, while most black people are hoping that he will be prosecuted for murdering Michael Brown.

And so the racial divide continues in this nation, unabated.

"And Al the Obama guvment has been buying ammo at a furious pace ever since he was elected. Curious isn't it?"

President Obama cannot buy a damn thing without the approval of Congress.

Sir, that rumor has been dispelled so many times, it not even interesting any longer.

But it's still a popular lie among all you anti-Obaman's and you have repeated it so often, that it sounds true, and some of you believe it.

With some of you people, everything is a conspiracy.

August 20, 2014 at 10:54 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo dares to say "You're so full of lies. I am not on welfare, Mr. Pathological liar." Is that not a hoot? On several levels.

August 20, 2014 at 10:57 a.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "Alpo screams QUIT LYING!! lol, this from the foremost liar ever to grace this forum. Priceless!"

Sir, the only lies I have ever been guilty of typing into this forum are the ones you typed and still claim to this very day and you cannot prove that I have lied one time in this forum.

Accusations are not evidence. I have evidence on you.

Your projection does not exonerate you from your intentional lying into this forum. I refuse to become the scapegoat for your own egregious hypocrisy.

Remember? I know you believe it never happened and you have been denying them ever since, but they are still in the archives of this very site for anyone to read;

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270586

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270592

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270593

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270595

August 20, 2014 at 11:05 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"And Al the Obama guvment has been buying ammo at a furious pace ever since he was elected. Curious isn't it?"

That's an urban legend. Fister posted the same crap a month ago. Google it, it's not true. Of course, Maxipad, what of any truth has ever come from your mouth?

August 20, 2014 at 11:06 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

I wouldn't depend on Alprova for anything resembling the truth.

August 20, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Eric Holder: A racial healer. bwahahahaha

August 20, 2014 at 11:17 a.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "I wouldn't depend on Alprova for anything resembling the truth."

The lies are your lies, just as you typed them on May 18, 2014.

They didn't come from MY computer. They came from YOURS.

What will you whine about tomorrow?

August 20, 2014 at 11:42 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^fraud, liar, coward.

August 20, 2014 at 11:44 a.m.
alprova said...

^^^Twitterdumdum...

August 20, 2014 at 11:46 a.m.
Ki said...

conservative 9:17 post: a strong show of force to a mob bent on looting and burning is a deterrent

(1.) Apparently that strong show of force didn't deter anything and only made matters more volatile. The only good thing that strong show of force accomplished was to expose just how heavily armed and militarized Americas police have become, which is very dangerous in a free society and given the history of police in this country. One if brutality, corruption, killings outside line-of-duty and other thug history. It also brought to light how police respond to situation where race us a factor. Example: the cliven bundy ranch fiasco where local, state and federal agents had guns pointed at them verses a young 18 year old with his hands raised as if to surrender and possibly on his knees at the time he was gunned down by a cop.

Maybe if some of that show of force had been used at the Bundy ranch those two militia could have been prevented from going on a killing spree and taking out those two cops.

What does this say about america n black and white? An unarmed black man is far more likely to be killed by police than an army of militia members with their guns pointed at police. hmmmmm

August 20, 2014 at 11:48 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Ki said "...Example: the cliven bundy ranch fiasco where local, state and federal agents had guns pointed at them verses a young 18 year old with his hands raised as if to surrender and possibly on his knees at the time he was gunned down by a cop." What was is like there, Ki. Was the young lad pleading for his life? Did you not have a camera with you? What was your testimony?

August 20, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.
Ki said...

jackzun, before police went around grabbing everyone's cell phones who might have been recording the encounter from almost the beginning to end, a few who were recording were able to upload footage.

August 20, 2014 at 11:57 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

you have proof cell phones were confiscated? you saw the gentle giant on his knees surrendering?

August 20, 2014 at noon

Ki, yeah..he was just an innocent little kid skipping home from Grandma's house. On his knees?

No idea why Brown was shot 8 times. I don't get that.

The militarization of the police is a problem for everyone if it keeps going this way. The bundy thing will not end well next time it happens. The Fed. Gov. under BO is only getting more aggressive. It's about cracking down on citizens, not criminals.

August 20, 2014 at noon
TheJackDennis said...

Ki, would you answer a question honestly for me?

August 20, 2014 at 12:10 p.m.

Why are blacks in Ferguson looting Asian owned stores and attacking them?

Good caricature of Sharpton, Jack.

Ki, you're going overboard with things that aren't true.

August 20, 2014 at 12:23 p.m.

Blacks are upset with whites/the police, so they terrorize Asians?

That makes sense.

August 20, 2014 at 12:25 p.m.
Ki said...

http://m.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/lawyer-county-refuses-pay-medical-bills-toddler-hu/ng3s9/

zab, your attempts at sarcasm are unwarranted, shows lack of common sense and are quite juvenile.

jackzun , it depends in the question.

In the meantime, Georgia county refuse to pay medical bills for toddler badly burned during no-knock raid where flash grenade was used

See above link

August 20, 2014 at 12:29 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Ki, it depends on the question? Meaning what? Some you will answer honestly, some not? I'm not talking personal stuff.

August 20, 2014 at 12:33 p.m.
Ki said...

zab, looting is opportunistic, and regardless of how police and a few others are attempting to make it appear that only bkacks are looting, whites have been looting too.

Yes, I agree the looting is wrong and is counterproductive, but the people taking part in the looting, be they white, black, brown red or blue, are doing it for selfish reasons and using the death of Brown as an excuse.

August 20, 2014 at 12:34 p.m.

Ki, yeah, I'll keep that in mind.

August 20, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Well, Ki, I will ask even tho you're waffling even before you get the question. IF, cop is proven conclusively to be innocent, you would be disappointed. Yes?

August 20, 2014 at 12:38 p.m.
Ki said...

zackzun , no, that's not at all what it means. Here's some lawyerly advice i was once givrn: never agree to answer a question without first knowing the contents of the question and the purpose of the questioner for asking the question.

August 20, 2014 at 12:39 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^cute

August 20, 2014 at 12:40 p.m.
conservative said...

Ki said...

conservative 9:17 post: a strong show of force to a mob bent on looting and burning is a deterrent

(1.) Apparently that strong show of force didn't deter anything and only made matters more volatile.

===========================================

No doubt that it would have been worse except for the show of force.

You obviously have not noticed the obvious, that the coddle them plan has not worked very well.

August 20, 2014 at 12:49 p.m.
Ki said...

jacjzun, the cop walking away without so much as a blemish is expected. I will be more surprised/shocked even if he's indicted, and even more surprised if it gives to trial and he's conflicted. A cop getting charged these days, even when caught with little underaged Suzie or jimzy with their pants down is a rarity.

Did you know most all those cops involved in the botched raid in Atlanta that ended the life of that elderly woman remain on the police force, unless they voluntarily quit or retired? Even the two who were originally charged never actually served a day in prison?

That all those cops involved in that Eagle raid in Atlanta and were originally fired were rehired by another police agency in a nearby city who knew about the raid? Only the average citizen in america is held accountable for bad decisions, not police.

August 20, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

So Ki, your answer is, You're not gonna answer the question. Right? Re-read the question.

August 20, 2014 at 12:54 p.m.
Ki said...

No, conservative, the situation could have easily been defused from the very beginnings, just like the cliven bundy fiasco was. But the lil chieftan just couldn't wait to show ff Hus military equipment. But at least people know what the rest of us have been warning for the her a decade now.

August 20, 2014 at 12:55 p.m.

Ki, sounds like you don't like the police, huh?

August 20, 2014 at 12:57 p.m.
Ki said...

jackzun, I answered your question, you just have a reading/comprehension problem. There's no beyond a shadow of doubtnrequired when a cop is involved. So that part is unnecessary anyway. His uniform and badge will save him. They're already pulling out all the other artillery at their disposal to defame Brown's character.

August 20, 2014 at 1 p.m.
Ki said...

zab, many if my family members are law enforcement. I don't care for the bullies, hit heads and the trigger happy who place other cops lives in danger with their unprofessional behavior and tactics.

August 20, 2014 at 1:04 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

So Ki, what you are saying is there is NO circumstance where the po-po can shoot a black man with justification. Right? btw my comprehension is ok....just have to cut thru the obfuscation you lefties employ to beat around answering question.

August 20, 2014 at 1:04 p.m.
Ki said...

jacjzun, nope! I never said that. You did. There's certainly instances where a cop shooting is necessary. However cop shootings have become more and more routine and used as the furst and only option over the years, even when not justified, because they know in most cases they won't be held accountable, and although blacks and browns are the most often targets, the killings have begun to creep into middle-classed white america. So they've begun to realize what others have been warning for decades.

Wep! gotta run. Later sports fans

August 20, 2014 at 1:11 p.m.

I would say it's not the just police, but those at the top. There's a greater and greater divide between the elitist and regular citizens. Those that have been elected to serve generally become elitists and are held to a different standard than the rest of us.

August 20, 2014 at 1:13 p.m.

Everyone, no matter what race, is getting squeezed by the fed. gov. and there is growing police state. Although, it seems that illegal alien invaders from Mexico way are being put in a special status.

August 20, 2014 at 1:25 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Although, it seems that illegal alien invaders from Mexico way are being put in a special status."

There's nothing special about it. We have a ruled of law in this nation when it comes to dealing with illegal immigrants and that rule was passed by a Republican President along with a Republican dominated House and Senate, which states that all illegals who cross that border into the United States will be captured, arrested, processed, given a deportation hearing date, and then released under their own recognizance.

You might not agree with it, but that is the law on the books this very day, and everyone concerned is following that law to the letter, contrary to the opinion of some people who do not matter.

The truth is out there. It's a damn shame you are not interested in learning the truth and the facts to anything. You much prefer typing rumor, innuendo, and outright lies.

August 20, 2014 at 1:38 p.m.
ibshame said...

Jack Dennis, z fister, Maximus, at the time of the shooting in Ferguson, several people (meaning more than just the one person with Brown) all gave the same account: Michael Brown was facing the cop with his Hands in the air screaming don't shoot. Now according to the less than knowledgeable people like yourselves, they must have all gotten together within the space of minutes after the shooting and concocted this story. Because surely that cop must be believed. Now explain why he must be given the cloak of credibility and the eyewitnesses must all be lying. Now let's flip this for just a second and suppose he had been a Black cop chasing a White kid in a White neighborhood and the kid turned and put his hands in the air and screamed don't shoot. Suppose their were nothing but all White witnesses to the incident exactly how many do you think for even one moment would believe that Black cop? And suppose there were White men and women who had cell phone video would you still be saying they are all lying? If you say you would then you are LYING. You know it and so does everyone else.

For any young Black Male in America when they are stopped by the police for whatever reason they are facing their judge,jury and in some cases their executioner. That's why they have to be taught the following by their parents: when stopped keep your hand visible at all times, do not make any sudden movements, answer yes,no and when asked to get out of the car, do so WITHOUT any questions. If they ask to search your car,let them because you shouldn't have anything in there that shouldn't be there even if you have a permit for a gun. If you have a gun, you are going to be handcuffed immediately, By this time there will be at least four or five cops pulling in with their lights blinking. Again don't ask any questions but be sure to answer the questions they put to you no matter how many times they refer to you as BOY even if you are a GROWN man. That is the only way to survive your judge, jury and executioner out there in the street.

I think of the Harvard professor a few years ago who was accidenltly locked out of his own home even after supplying the police with his credentials he still faced going to jail and for what crime? He questioned the police.

That cop killed Michael Brown in cold blood. The eyewitnesses aren't lying and neither are the videos. But of course your answer to those facts is we are to believe the cop and not the lying eyes of the witnesses because surely they all got together within minutes of the shooting and colluded on their story. As to your question about whether or not he will be believed if found not guilty of murder, I ' ll ask this question: Did you believe OJ Simpson was not guilty of murder, the jury said he was not guilty, did you believe he was innocent?

August 20, 2014 at 1:41 p.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "btw my comprehension is ok....just have to cut thru the obfuscation you lefties employ to beat around answering question."

Oh...and you don't refuse to answer questions?

Why did you admit to being someone you were not?

Will you today admit you lied when you made your CONFESSIONS on May 18, 2014 in this very forum?

Let's see you answer those two questions. Remember...everyone is reading this. You aren't being just a wee bit hypocritical when you accuse "lefties" of not answering questions, are you?

You bet your ass you are.

August 20, 2014 at 1:44 p.m.
alprova said...

ibeshame wrote: "As to your question about whether or not he will be believed if found not guilty of murder, I ' ll ask this question: Did you believe OJ Simpson was not guilty of murder, the jury said he was not guilty, did you believe he was innocent?"

Ohhhhh...such a good point. I'll bet no one on the right has an answer for that one.

P.S. - Your question was stupid. They can't prove anything conclusively in the press. What makes you believe they will in a Kangaroo Court?

August 20, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

ib, don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up.

August 20, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ, my mind isn't made up. Just think it would be nice if you guys weren't in such a hurry to rush to judgement. You're guilty of exactly the same thing you seem to be fighting.

August 20, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpro the Fabricator. I've answered your question(s)...seems like one question to me. I didn't lie..was just talking tongue in cheek. You're just too stupid to see it. Not that that excuses your 500 lying posts. You kinda remind me of a white Al Sharpton. Though he's better looking.

August 20, 2014 at 2:11 p.m.

Just wait for the facts to come in, ibshame. You and Ki, are foaming at the mouth over this.

I think he was aggressive with the police, witnesses have said so. Did he deserve to be shot 8 times, I don't think so.

One thing that there's no mystery about is the beheading of that journalist by ISIS. BO made his remarks, then went to the golf course. So, I guess that's that.

August 20, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.
conservative said...

If someone is coming after me, I am going to unload, which will not take much longer than a second.

I, like those in the real world are not going to take single shots and then wait to see the results.

If the perpetrator has decided that one of us is going to die, I will do my best to make sure it is him.

Why does this even have to be explained?

August 20, 2014 at 3:06 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Conservative, The problem is that police are taught to do just the opposite, to use commensurate force and avoid actions that endanger the public if at all possible. Who knows what the courts will do, or if it will ever get to court, for a grand jury in a sympathetic town to indict a policeman on probable cause takes an earth-moving event.

We have one witness, the policeman, with 1 story, repeated by several of his friends as spokespersons, and 4 or 5 witnesses with an entirely different story. Based on this it would not be fun to be on the jury if it gets there, which I'll wager is 50/50 at best.

Z-fister continues to make hay out of a gross tragedy no one could prevent. I guess the President should go around dressed in sack cloth and ashes for a while? What is Z doing to mourn? - Flaming in the e-newspaper. If you want to blame someone, blame the American who started the war in Iraq, or the party that constantly bashes Muslims. I would not be surprised if the President is doing something sub rosa, to find those guys.

August 20, 2014 at 3:28 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Not content with a regular prosecution or a vigorous investigation, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon said he hopes that Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson will receive a “vigorous prosecution” in the shooting death of Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

I'm guessing Officer Wilson ain't gonna get a fair shake in MO....nice rule of law, Gov. (D)...the man hasn't even been charged as yet.

August 20, 2014 at 3:34 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind:

No, you are wrong.

You need to muster up some common sense.

Police are taught to use force till the perpetrator is stopped.

Cars and criminals are often riddled with bullets in a police shooting, how did you miss all of those news reports?

How did you miss the criminal's friends asking "why did they have to shoot him so many times?"

The answer is, to stop the threat.

Police have weapons with clips holding many rounds.

Several police shooting at once means a whole lot of ammunition is used quickly.

This is the real world inquiringmind.

August 20, 2014 at 3:39 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Only the dead waited to see if a single shot stopped a criminal out to harm.

You might stick to the subject of pot which you somehow seem to have much knowledge of.

August 20, 2014 at 3:49 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

So eight shots to stop an unarmed man? When the officer had a baton, a tazer, and pepper spray? Sounds logical to me.

"Police are taught to use force till the perpetrator is stopped."

You know nothing to which you are speaking. This is another lie to add to your tally. The lying and deceiving Conservative, ladies and gentlemen.

August 20, 2014 at 4 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

conservative, there is a gulf so wide between your perception of freedom and others it will never be crossed.

The police are public servants. You have presumed Mr. Brown was a perpetrator but there is no evidence so far forthcoming that is the case. You presume he has "criminal friends."

A policeman who approaches each encounter with a citizen based on a presumption of guilt due to color of skin, language or general behavior, and who demands absolute servitude to the police person belongs in a police state, hence its name.

In this country every citizen has the right to express freely their opinion by walking, stopping, talking, shouting, protesting, carrying banners, praising in a peaceful assembly, writing, advertising so long as it does not unreasonably infringe on public order or the rights of others. I think it is called the First Amendment, isn't it? It also protects your religious freedom. Imagine if they stopped people who wear a clerical collar on suspicion of being a trouble maker?

Responsible police departments train their officers on how to defuse and control situations with minimal violence. Think about it assuming this big galoot of a kid, Mr. Brown was charging head down. He can't see where he going, his hands are raised in the air; the officer easily can use a defensive maneuver or a taser to down the fellow, or step aside like a matador with no harm done. Even a foot to the knee disables the fellow (with a lot of damage to the knee).

A recent opinion piece by a LA cop unfortunately reinforces the opposite expectation that you seem to defend. He says that when a policeman approaches you you should absolutely comply, submit to anything he tells you to do, (even a sex act I guess), do not object or insist on your rights, you can complain later, otherwise the policeman may choose to bash your head in, or shoot you.

Unfortunately, even though I come from a family with a long history of policemen and sheriffs, police work now days tends to attract authoritarians, bullies and people who hold no value of a human being other than them self. This is the position you defend.

How does the state motto go up north, be free or die? I don't encourage laying your life down for physical freedom, it is not theological; but you seem to advocate, "give up freedom, trust in and let the police defend your security.

Ben Franklin said such a person deserves neither freedom or security.

We find ourselves sailing similar boats close together with the issue of respect for authority but with opposite intentions and values.

August 20, 2014 at 4:07 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Oh conservative, you might use a more apt quote, "Only the dead know the end of war."

August 20, 2014 at 4:11 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ proffers "Unfortunately, even though I come from a family with a long history of policemen and sheriffs, police work now days tends to attract authoritarians, bullies and people who hold no value of a human being other than them self. This is the position you defend." Where did that come from, Q? Seems like rank speculation to me. Universities offering Criminal Justice majors are churning out thousands of graduates. The Po Po has never been more educated. Seriously doubt they're authoritarians and bullies. In other words, your post is poo poo.

August 20, 2014 at 4:14 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

dream on jack-the burbonguy, dream on. Hope springs eternal.

August 20, 2014 at 4:18 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Not all Criminal Justice majors become police officers nor do all police officers have bachelor degrees. Besides, I know plenty of aholes, "bullies and authoritarians" that have a college degree.

August 20, 2014 at 4:21 p.m.
conservative said...

INQUIRINGMIND

The officer obviously presumed his life was in danger. You presume otherwise.

"You presume he has "criminal friends.""

I did not say that, however since you brought it up, tattoos was his accomplice in the robbery, so you got that one right.

First rule, inquiringmind, OBEY THE POLICE!

When you are walking in the road, and you are told to get out of the road, OBEY THE POLICE!

Don't fight the police inquiringmind, it is irrational and stupid, something that those who are on drugs do.

It could result in your death when the officer feels you are threatening his life.

OBEY THE POLICE INQUIRINGMIND!

August 20, 2014 at 4:22 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ, what does that even mean? Not getting the burbonguy ditty either.

August 20, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Be a Servant

"OBEY THE POLICE!"

Surrender your rights

"OBEY THE POLICE!"

Take a dump and wipe your ass with the Constitution

"OBEY THE POLICE!"

When they tell you to empty your wallet or go to jail

"OBEY THE POLICE!"

When they pull you over and tell you to give them oral

"OBEY THE POLICE!"

August 20, 2014 at 4:28 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Conservative,

As I said, the gulf betwixt us is like the gulf between freedom and tyranny. 99% of Paul's writing speaks towards Rome and its relationship to Christianity in this same way.

August 20, 2014 at 4:28 p.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "I didn't lie..was just talking tongue in cheek."

You were talking when you typed that?

Sir, you lied and there is no way to explain yourself not to have lied. Your words were either true or they were false. You today have declared them false.

Intentionally delivered false words are lies.

NEXT QUESTION:

Why in the world would you admit to being someone else, for any reason, especially if you knew they had a record like that man did?

"You're just too stupid to see it."

You made a false confession to being a man with a sordid reputation, for sh!ts and giggles you are claiming today, and you have the audacity to seriously sit there and call ME stupid?

"Not that that excuses your 500 lying posts."

Do you realize that TODAY is the FIRST time you have even attempted to clearly walk away from your CONFESSION? I did not deliver any lies. You did and I repeated them. No one owns those lies but you. This begs another question be asked;

WHAT THE %&(* IS WRONG WITH YOU?

"You kinda remind me of a white Al Sharpton. Though he's better looking."

I always heard that there was a little homosexuality in everyone.

You're attracted to Reverend Al? How nice. And I'm a white version of the man? I don't think so, but thank you for explaining why it is that you pursuit me so relentlessly in here every single day.

I am sorry to inform you that I will not be able to return to you any chances of affection. But you and Z-man have so much in common, that I'm sure the two of you will get together one day.

August 20, 2014 at 4:28 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

When they pulled over ConMan and told him that they were going to sodomize him, ConMan:

"OBEYED THE POLICE!"

August 20, 2014 at 4:29 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Is there anything you will not pervert?

Where do you get such nonsense?

Now, tell me that you will not obey the police or tell me what happened when you didn't obey the police.

August 20, 2014 at 4:34 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Hey Alpro, you can dig into the archives all you want, but you won't be able to justify your posts. You made an ass of yourself at least 500 times. Live with it Fraud, Liar, Coward.

August 20, 2014 at 4:35 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

The Obama administration knew of the threat to kill American photo-journalist James Foley before he was purportedly beheaded, according to a senior U.S. official. Wonder if it affected The Organizer's concentration standing over a tricky downhill 3 footer?

August 20, 2014 at 4:41 p.m.
Ki said...

An unarmed black person is shot and killed every 28 hrs. in america in an extrajudicial killing by either police, a security guard or self-appointed vigilante** according to a 2012 study.

I know some of you will resort to that old what about blacks killing blacks. But it's a near guarantee that only when police change their tactics in the way they've gone into black communities and allowed to do business with impunity, lighting fires and creating chaos like an invading, destabilizing occupation, only when those things cease will those communities start to heal, grow and advance. The way police have been allowed to operate in primarily black communities have contributed greatly to the breakdown of those communities and prevented them from growing and thriving. It's a different type of bondage with invisible chains.

There's a very dark side to policing many of you, hopefully, will never get to experience. What you briefly witnessed in the Ferguson tragedy, along with the bringing out and show of force with heavy duty military grade artillery doesn't even begin to reveal that side.

That's all I'll say on the subject. I will not answer nor respond to anything more here on this particular today's topic.

August 20, 2014 at 5:17 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Conservative you only called Mr. Brown a "criminal" something not in the public record but only alleged, and unknown to the shooter.

On perversion, you might want to read this book: "In Search of Paul," by John Dominic Crossan and Jonathan L. Reed, HarperCollins(2004).

August 20, 2014 at 5:21 p.m.
conservative said...

I saw the video so your standards do not apply to me.

Yes, his strong-arm robbery made it an easy call for me.

The secular publisher and your recommendation would not persuade me to read the book.

August 20, 2014 at 5:45 p.m.

Guass, BO wipes his ass with the Constitution

August 20, 2014 at 5:50 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ, the Dem governor calls for the cop's vigorous prosecution. Not even charged. You like that, do you?

August 20, 2014 at 5:58 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....There's nothing special about it. We have a ruled of law in this nation when it comes to dealing with illegal immigrants and that rule was passed by a Republican President along with a Republican dominated House and Senate, which states that all illegals who cross that border into the United States will be captured, arrested, processed, given a deportation hearing date, and then released under their own recognizance.

That is not totally accurate and a little misleading. The law does not apply to all illegals but only those seeking asylum for one or more of the reasons noted in the law. Mexicans can be returned with nothing other than being caught. Those from other countries that know what to say can get in the described system with over 70% not showing up for their hearing. That may improve once they learn the U.S. government will not send them back but continue providing their clothing, food, shelter, healthcare and education needs.

Check out the cheat sheet of what to say as to why they are here. Some actually gave the agents the sheet with a list of reasons to give when questioned about why there were trying to enter the U.S.

August 20, 2014 at 6:16 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ fairmon, deception is IN HIS DNA

August 20, 2014 at 6:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

Save a lot of money. Tell Holder to go on back to D.C. put the cop in jail and forget the investigation. People across the country and in this forum have already tried and convicted him and adding facts would only confuse the masses or the national mob.

We all know any witness giving an account favoring the cop is a liar and those favorable to Brown are credible, upstanding, tax paying salt of the earth citizens.

So, quit wasting time and money just mete out the punishment.

August 20, 2014 at 6:28 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

On perversion, you might want to read this book: "In Search of Paul," by John Dominic Crossan and Jonathan L. Reed, HarperCollins(2004

===============================================

Is he for perversion or against it?

Have you read it?

Why are you recommending it?

August 20, 2014 at 6:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

Do you think that w/o the POTUS the military and some staffers are in the situation room trying to figure out how to deal with those that behead people? Do we have some more innocent souls in GITMO we can swap for the American journalist ISIS says they will behead?

Can someone, anyone summarize what the U.S. foreign policy is?

August 20, 2014 at 6:38 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Guass, BO wipes his ass with the Constitution"

So that means I should, under any circumstance, "OBEY THE POLICE"? Your political beliefs or what you believe that you hear from a talk show radio host shouldn't mean my rights can be violated or I should surrender my right to due process. I thought you were against a "police state", now you advocate it just like that moron, ConMan? I don't recall seeing his "OBEY THE POLICE" rant when Clive Bundy ignore federal officials. Now we are supposed to say "How high" when they say "Jump"? Oh that's right, Bundy is white and a "conservative".

August 20, 2014 at 7 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Once the Left and the slobbering press makes up it's minds, Officer Wilson can kiss his ass goodbye.

August 20, 2014 at 7:09 p.m.

I am against the police state, guass, still, BO wipes his ass with the Constitution. I never said anything about Brown's situation there. It seems that he attacked an officer, and he did rob a store before that, the officer was injured, they fought, the officer shot him. I don't think it was necessary to shoot him 8 times. I don't get that. I don't the details exactly. What if tried to grab a gun from the officer?

August 20, 2014 at 7:17 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

What if he didn't, Fister? Of course, now it sounds like the Ferguson police are going with the George Zimmerman defense. Unfortunately, we will probably hear the real truth about what went down moments before Brown was shot.

And Jack, they said the same thing about the policemen from the Rodney King incident.

August 20, 2014 at 7:32 p.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "Hey Alpro, you can dig into the archives all you want, but you won't be able to justify your posts."

Ah...but I HAVE justified the posts you dislike and have whined about. They came straight from your own computer.

"You made an ass of yourself at least 500 times. Live with it Fraud, Liar, Coward"

Accusations are not evidence. Here's what evidence looks like;

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270586

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270592

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270593

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270595

The evidence convicts you very well. You're simply in denial.

August 20, 2014 at 8:04 p.m.
Ki said...

zab-bee, how quickly and conveniently you forget? It we the G.W.Bush Jr. who reportedly said the constitution was nothing but a "damn piece of paper!" The report came from members of his own staff. Some reported he actually said "g-damn! piece of paper. "

August 20, 2014 at 8:14 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Keep it up lie king. Your creds are shot, loser.

August 20, 2014 at 8:23 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "That is not totally accurate and a little misleading. The law does not apply to all illegals but only those seeking asylum for one or more of the reasons noted in the law."

Sorry, but you're incorrect.

"Mexicans can be returned with nothing other than being caught."

Classes of Deportable Aliens

Deportation or Removal Process A Notice to Appear (NTA) is issued by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, served to the alien, and filed with the immigration court.

In addition to containing general information about the immigrant (name, country of origin, etc.), the NTA also states the reasons for the deportation or removal.

A hearing is scheduled, at which the immigration judge asks if the alien is ready to proceed with the case, or if he or she needs time to secure an attorney.

If the alien needs time to secure an attorney, a hearing is scheduled for a later date.

Once the alien has an attorney, or has elected to proceed without one, the alien will be asked by the immigration judge to verify the contents of the NTA.

If the judge determines that the information in the NTA is correct and that the alien can be deported, the alien is given the opportunity to apply for any form of relief from deportation.

If the alien is eligible for a form of relief and decides to apply for it, an individual hearing date is scheduled.

If the alien is not eligible, deportation will be ordered. If an individual hearing is held, the alien will be given the opportunity to give testimony and have witnesses testify on his or her behalf.

At the conclusion of the hearing, the immigration judge will either make an oral decision on the matter, or will release a written decision at a later date.

If the alien has been ordered deported, the alien has 30 days from the date of the decision to appeal the decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA).

If the BIA decides against the alien, the alien has the option of appealing to the appropriate U.S. Court of Appeals. The immigration service has the opportunity to appeal an unfavorable individual hearing decision, but may not appeal an unfavorable decision by the BIA.

An appellate court decision can be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court by either the alien or the immigration service.


Please note that the law makes absolutely no distinction which country an illegal alien comes from. They are all treated the same.

August 20, 2014 at 8:24 p.m.
alprova said...

"Those from other countries that know what to say can get in the described system with over 70% not showing up for their hearing."

That's a totally separate issue and not one that can be corrected until the law is changed. Of course, if they refuse to show up for their appointed hearing, they are subject to an immediate unfavorable ruling and ordered deported when found.

"That may improve once they learn the U.S. government will not send them back but continue providing their clothing, food, shelter, healthcare and education needs."

You know something? You folk who have zero compassion for someone so desperate to come across that border, are always going to lose when it comes to what the policy is in the United States.

And I know in my heart that each of you will answer to God for your stance on this and other issues where you demonstrate no regard for human beings in trouble.

"Check out the cheat sheet of what to say as to why they are here. Some actually gave the agents the sheet with a list of reasons to give when questioned about why there were trying to enter the U.S."

That merely makes the poorest and the dumbest Hispanic smarter than all of Congress and you pricks, who couldn't care less about a fellow human being.

August 20, 2014 at 8:25 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^. Liar, loser

August 20, 2014 at 8:33 p.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "Keep it up lie king. Your creds are shot, loser."

You keep telling yourself that. You live in a world full of denial anyway, so what's a little more?

I'm quite sure you're the only person who believes you have not lied in this forum.

The proof has been posted, according to you, 500 times.

You have always been and will remain totally pathetic...

August 20, 2014 at 8:34 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

You can't help yourself. That's sick.

August 20, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

The thing most disappointing about you LWNJ's, is that you want Officer Wilson to be guilty.

August 20, 2014 at 8:46 p.m.
Ki said...

I didnt intend to post anything more on the Ferguson subject today. However here are two very interesting articles, one is very long but interesting. They're both from people who have been in the field of law enforcement. Former police commissioner, NYPD, Ray Kelly and the other a former police officer who both say Ferguson police handled the situation badly. And the blame is at the top.

Kelly:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/ray-kelly-ferguson_n_5691739.html

Former cop/with concerns for his own son:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1315081/-A-Cops-take-on-Ferguson?detail=email

adieu for now

August 20, 2014 at 8:50 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

“The thing most disappointing about you RWNJ's is the pride you have in your low IQ.”

August 20, 2014 at 8:52 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

So rat, you're one of the Mensa boys are you?

August 20, 2014 at 8:55 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Guass, BO wipes his ass with the Constitution"

And yet, not one person has ever been able to illustrate one sentence of the U.S. Constitution our illustrious leader has violated.

I've been waiting for six years for proof to that statement.

I've given up.

The only legality that even comes close was the NLRB appointments made by Obama while the Republicans in the Senate were playing games during one of its recesses.

Yes, the Supreme Court ruled against the President, but those appointments are still standing.

One incident in 6 years, does not constitute any claim of the President "wiping his ass" with the Constitution.

And given that those recess appointments are still in effect, I'm sure the President has had a good belly laugh on every Republican in this nation, and deservedly so.

The United States Constitution has always been a document subject to amendment and yes, even disregard at times.

August 20, 2014 at 8:58 p.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "So rat, you're one of the Mensa boys are you?"

Compared to you? He's a genius.

August 20, 2014 at 9 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

z-fister sez, "What if tried to grab a gun from the officer?" THe fellow was no where near the officer when he was shot.

August 20, 2014 at 9:03 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

conservative asks, "Why are you recommending it?"

Read it and find out. You may like it, you may not. It presents an illuminating perspective of Paul, his take on Christian theology and the Roman Empire.

August 20, 2014 at 9:10 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo just pissed because he's been outed for the liar he is.

August 20, 2014 at 9:11 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Little Shrimpy Alpo big talker hidden behind his Acer

August 20, 2014 at 9:15 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Who are you Jack; some kind of badass? You do as much "big talking" as he. He's told you to leave him alone, yet it's like you get off on him responding to you. If you don't want to hear his "lies", why do you keep antagonizing him?

August 20, 2014 at 9:52 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Because he's a worthless POS. If you don't like it, scroll on. btw, he has stated he will pay me a visit when I least expect it. So who's the badass, a-hole?

August 20, 2014 at 10 p.m.
alprova said...

Faux News is reporting that Officer Wilson was "substantially" injured by Michael Brown, but no one will go so far as to claim that he received any treatment in a hospital for his "substantial" facial injuries.

The fix is in on this one.

That town is going to explode this weekend when that young man is buried if Darren Wilson is not arrested by then.

A man charging another man does not do it with their head down.

CNN has found a very credible witness who has stated that Michael Brown definitely did not rush Darren Wilson, contradicting other unnamed witnesses who have submitted their stories anonymously in defense of Darren Wilson.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/20/ac-pkg-kaye-ferguson-shooting-differing-witness-accounts.cnn.html

August 20, 2014 at 10:02 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Like I said, you mopes want Wilson to be guilty.

August 20, 2014 at 10:12 p.m.

You libs are so desperate to prove that Brown was just some innocent bystander or something, and Wilson is the personification of evil.

Ridiculous.

Wait for the facts. "That town is going this weekend when that young man is buried if Darren Wilson is not arrested by then" What does that mean..more bottles filled with urine being tossed, more looting of Asian owned stores, more looters driving down to fill their pockets?

That's irresponsible. Yeah, Yeah, lynch the guy!!!

August 20, 2014 at 10:17 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

MO Jackass Gov. Jay Nixon has already convicted Ferguson Policeman. Liberals never let a good crisis go to waste, no matter who they destroy.

August 20, 2014 at 10:17 p.m.
alprova said...

The pathetic little whiner wrote: "Because he's a worthless POS."

SQUEAL!!! SQUEAL!!! SQUEAL!!! said the little piggy, after the tables were turned.

"btw, he has stated he will pay me a visit when I least expect it."

That I have, and it's going to happen...sooner than you will know, and it will be most definitely when you least expect it, and I will have the element of surprise, and then we're going to hash this out, man to man, perhaps until only one of us is left standing.

Oh yeah...I am standing today, thanks to my brand new $20,000 titanium, artificial leg. I'm thinking about having someone take a picture of me and using it for my updated avatar.

Keep looking over that shoulder. One day, I will be there.

Will you need a change of Depends?

August 20, 2014 at 10:24 p.m.

Can I get that fight on pay-per-view??

The facts don't matter in Ferguson, the officer has already been convicted and sentenced to death. Cha-Ching!! Al Sharpton and the race Hustlers have hit the jackpot again. They'll leave town, go back to their mansions and Ferguson will go back to normal, which is a place where police have never intentionally shot a black person because they're black.

August 20, 2014 at 10:35 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "You libs are so desperate to prove that Brown was just some innocent bystander or something, and Wilson is the personification of evil. Ridiculous."

Not one liberal has suggested that Michael Brown did not steal those cigars. It's clear he did.

The more this plays out, the more it looks as if Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown in cold blood. There are too many witnesses saying the same thing: That he was giving up and had turned around and was NOT charging that officer.

"Wait for the facts."

Why? You're not waiting to defend the officer.

"What does that mean..more bottles filled with urine being tossed, more looting of Asian owned stores, more looters driving down to fill their pockets?"

It could mean that and much more. If the officials were smart, they would arrest Darren Wilson, even if it is all a farce in doing so. This would give the protesters fodder to believe something was being done.

"That's irresponsible. Yeah, Yeah, lynch the guy!!!"

Look, this entire mess was mishandled from the start. Witnesses to what happened exist. What has come out does not favor Darren Wilson, in any manner.

You stated it yourself. 8 shots (6 that hit him) is excessive force. A nationally known forensic pathologist has gone on record claiming that excessive force was used.

The longer this cop stays un-arrested, the more tempers are going to flare.

This crap that it's going to take months to finish the investigation is a load of manure. They are hoping that interest will wane in this case and then they will quietly and conveniently slide this one under the rug.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.

August 20, 2014 at 10:38 p.m.

I'm not defending the officer. I said there's no reason to shoot someone 8 times. That would only happen if someone charged at someone with a gun or something. 8 times is excessive. There are witnesses who also said that he charged the officer. The officer didn't pummel his own face. Why isn't to believe that 6'9 290 pound guy couldn't have beat the crap out of someone? In that video he was a bully.

I don't believe for one second that he was shot because he was black.

Was excessive force used, hell yes.

August 20, 2014 at 10:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "The facts don't matter in Ferguson, the officer has already been convicted and sentenced to death. Cha-Ching!! Al Sharpton and the race Hustlers have hit the jackpot again. They'll leave town, go back to their mansions and Ferguson will go back to normal, which is a place where police have never intentionally shot a black person because they're black."

You're ASSuming that Ferguson Police have never intentionally shot a black man before.

This whole thing started because black people in the Ferguson community were tired of being targeted by white cops.

August 20, 2014 at 10:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "There are witnesses who also said that he charged the officer."

And do we know any of their names? Have they appeared in public, on any national television station, or have they tried to remain anonymous and are these people merely sound bites?

" The officer didn't pummel his own face."

Where is the evidence that his face was "pummeled?" There has been contradiction as to whether or not that Darren Wilson was treated in a hospital for his injuries. Dr. Michael Baden said there was no sign of a struggle between the two men.

A promised photo of Darren Wilson's facial injuries has not been released.

Something smells to high heaven...

"Why isn't [it hard] to believe that 6'9 290 pound guy couldn't have beat the crap out of someone? In that video he was a bully."

In that video, he shoved a man aside in order to leave the store. A bully? Sure, but not violent by any stretch of the word.

"I don't believe for one second that he was shot because he was black."

Who has made such a suggestion? No one I am aware of. Darren Wilson, for whatever reason, lost his temper and opened up fire on an unarmed man, who by many accounts, including the man who was with him at the time this all went down, had decided to give up after being shot 4 times in his arm.

Wilson allegedly then walked toward Brown, while Brown had his arms folded under him and was going down towards the pavement, and Wilson emptied out the rest of what he had in that gun, killing Brown, then laid the gun on the ground and began pacing back and forth in front of the body. That is also on video.

At no time does Darren Wilson act as if his face is injured. In the video, there is no evidence that his face was injured.

"Was excessive force used, hell yes."

Then he needs to be arrested for it.

August 20, 2014 at 10:57 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Come on up, Alpo. Maybe you can find a way for the taxpayers to fund your trip. If not, I'll be glad to pop for the gas. Don't forget to bring your posse.

August 20, 2014 at 11:02 p.m.

They haven't. Where's the evidence of it? How come all of a sudden Ferguson, a pretty unknown place, is the focus of all evil?

You're ASSuming that they have.

From the way some there were quick to vandalize, abuse store workers, loot and take their anger out on innocent people and their property, maybe they have a crime problem. Brown took what he wanted and slapped around a little guy working in the store. Piece of cake. 6'9 Guy vs little store worker. Brown didn't seem to worried.

Maybe the police get a lot of calls regarding robbery and vandalism. I don't know.

The police have a thankless task and they have to balance all kinds of factors. I'm not condoning shooting a guy 8 times.

I do believe we are moving more and more into a police state, but I don't think that's the issue in this situation.

August 20, 2014 at 11:07 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo says "That I have, and it's going to happen...sooner than you will know, and it will be most definitely when you least expect it, and I will have the element of surprise, and then we're going to hash this out, man to man, perhaps until only one of us is left standing." you should be a comedy writer, chum.

August 20, 2014 at 11:08 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Never thought I would see the day a sitting governor would take part in vigilante justice. Hell in a hand basket.

August 20, 2014 at 11:12 p.m.

The Governor, along with Holder are horribly irresponsible. Holder has a chip on his shoulder, a huge on. The guy is THE worst attorney general in history. He should go back to private practice and defend terrorists and the black panthers.

I don't believe that the officer purposely set out to shoot a black man. If that's the route they're taking then they'll lose.

August 20, 2014 at 11:17 p.m.
ibshame said...

I was waiting on Z fister the dumba$$ to accuse Eric Holder of having a chip on his shoulder because he went to Ferguson. It is the typical response of a racist idiot. Every time a Black person speaks out against an injustice he/ she is accused of having a chip on their shoulder, being angry or trying to make "whitey" pay for slavery. It was done when President Obama spoke out about Trayvon Martin, it's even been done when his wife has spoken up. Yet when uncle toms like Sowell, Thomas or Williams denigrate Blacks they are looked upon as heros by dumba$$es like fister. I watched Michael Steele this morning, the former head of the RNC , speak out about what happened in Ferguson, even he said there was something fundamentally wrong with the way young men of color have been treated in Ferguson. He is a Black man and admitted he has been stopped while driving Black by the police.

Dumba$$es like fister are always looking for excuses when there are none for the kind of cold bloodied murder committed by that cop. So if Eric Holder has a chip on his shoulder, he should have one because no one in this country deserves to die like an animal in the street when they have clearly surrendered to the police whether they are Black, White ,Brown, Yellow or polka dot.

August 20, 2014 at 11:45 p.m.
ibshame said...

As far as you claiming he's the worst AG one would ask who do you think has been the best AG? The only reason you say he is the worst is because he was appointed by President Obama. It's been proven over and over you don't know Jacksh!t about anything other than what your ignorant dumba$$ hears on Drudge . You really are just one huge a$$hole. Everything you've ever written always comes back to it all being President Obama's fault. People like you aren't worth anyone getting upset over because your kind of ignorance is definitely inbred and there's no point in anyone attempting to reason with a nut job like you.

August 20, 2014 at 11:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "I don't believe that the officer purposely set out to shoot a black man."

Again with something no one has suggested. Did he leave his house on August the 9th with the intention of killing a black man? Of course not.

However, it is highly possible that Darren Wilson grabbed Michael Brown by the shirt, found himself outweighed like the storekeeper was, and Wilson got highly pissed.

If witnesses are correct, he departed his patrol car while Brown was running away. Wilson fired several shots. Brown turned around and was alleged to have said...

"Okay...okay...okay...I give up...don't shoot me any more."

Wilson is reported to have advanced, emptying his gun into Brown, then laid that gun down on the ground...an act that is highly unusual for an officer of the law to do at any time.

Wilson may not have had the intent to kill a black man that day, but he did kill a black man that day, and that black man is reported by several witnesses to have been in the process of giving himself up while begging Wilson to not shoot him anymore.

August 20, 2014 at 11:54 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...That merely makes the poorest and the dumbest Hispanic smarter than all of Congress and you pricks, who couldn't care less about a fellow human being.

Make no mistake about it I don't give a rat's arse about them and would prefer all those resources be spent on those homeless, ill and in dire need Americans. It is pricks like you that think your bleeding heart sympathy toward illegals will get you to heaven. I doubt I will be judged more harshly than those breaking the law.

You are still incorrect in suggesting every illegal has rights to hearings etc. Only those seeking asylum for a number of reasons.

August 20, 2014 at 11:56 p.m.
alprova said...

ibeshame wrote: "...no one in this country deserves to die like an animal in the street when they have clearly surrendered to the police whether they are Black, White ,Brown, Yellow or polka dot."

Amen and amen.

The pendulum that was swinging back towards officer Wilson, is swinging back toward Michael Brown again.

I'm much more trusting of the word of people willing to put their faces on national TV when going on record about what they saw.

Every "testimonial" offered in favor of Darren Wilson have all been sound bites. Not one name. Not one face. No one is going on the record for him, with the exception of the police chief, and who the hell trusts him at this point?

August 21, 2014 at midnight
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Make no mistake about it I don't give a rat's arse about them and would prefer all those resources be spent on those homeless, ill and in dire need Americans."

I don't understand how one can harden their heart as badly as you seem to have. It's not as if these people are looking to come here to make a buck more an hour. Most have nothing but the clothes on their backs. They have nothing.

You sit there in your home, while claiming to make six figures trading stocks, bitching about things like being taxed a little more for not being married.

I'll bet you cannot begin to see the wrong in such an attitude. And that is a shame. A damnable shame.

"It is pricks like you that think your bleeding heart sympathy toward illegals will get you to heaven. I doubt I will be judged more harshly than those breaking the law."

I've never made any such statement that my empathy or sympathy will get me to heaven.

Fairmon, God doesn't recognize man's laws. He created this entire world without borders, titles and deeds, fences or locks, for everyone who inhabits this Earth.

I have little doubt that his intention was very much for all of us to share this Earth, it's natural resources, as well as all our accumulated wealth with those who do not have it.

Your version and that of others when it comes to religion is quite laughable, except it isn't funny. You hang on to all you have amassed and see how far it gets you when you leave this Earth.

Bitch to God about how unfair you have had it while on this Earth as an American. Explain to HIM why it is that you don't give a "rat's ass" about the ultra-poor who come here illegally.

"You are still incorrect in suggesting every illegal has rights to hearings etc. Only those seeking asylum for a number of reasons."

I can only post the law as it exists. I cannot make you comprehend it. Your Libertarian view of the immigration law on the books does not exist.

August 21, 2014 at 12:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova, a Mexican crossing the border illegally and stating they did so to find a job can be returned to Mexico with no elaborate process of hearings, appeals etc. Those claiming they crossed the border to escape threats on their life and other claims that is considered seeking amnesty puts them in an elaborate process which essentially assures them they are here to stay. I am not as hard hearted as you are since you seem to have little concern about how the homeless, elderly, veterans and those Americans in serious need of assistance are treated. As a nation we respond to every catastrophe in the world while ignoring the catastrophe here. Celebrities and others go to some country to adopt and they are celebrated by the media while those here for adoption are left in foster homes or an orphanage.

Why are the homeless and others not treated as well as an illegal coming across the border. Perhaps some volunteers need to assist those Americans in such predicaments in going to a south American country then return crossing the border illegally.

I will compare the percent of my income spent assisting others and donated to anyone including the mega wealthy and the hypocrites that think they will be rewarded for paying tithes. I am also realistic enough to know doubling the debt every 10 years regardless of what the good benevolent work may be is not sustainable. The percent of eligible to work that are working continues going down and the average income for those working is flat or lower over the past ten years.

August 21, 2014 at 5:04 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

zibble sez, " The guy is THE worst attorney general in history. " Har! Of course, he sez that; Mr. Holder is a democrat and Zibble has regularly opined that he never met one he thought was worthwhile. Please spare us.

August 21, 2014 at 7:04 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova, a Mexican crossing the border illegally and stating they did so to find a job can be returned to Mexico with no elaborate process of hearings, appeals etc."

I cited the law. There is no such distinction in the law.

"Those claiming they crossed the border to escape threats on their life and other claims that is considered seeking amnesty puts them in an elaborate process which essentially assures them they are here to stay."

If there was such a distinction made, which there is not, don't you think no one would ever claim to be crossing the border searching for a job, and instead was fleeing threats to their lives?

You stated yesterday that there were illegals with cheat sheets on them. If such a fast track to deportation existed, no one would qualify for it by virtue of the passing around of information to avoid it. Everyone would be a refugee...

"I am not as hard hearted as you are since you seem to have little concern about how the homeless, elderly, veterans and those Americans in serious need of assistance are treated."

Uh huh, and by that stretch of the imagination and logic, you must beat your mother because you have never mentioned doing so, since the issue has never come up.

"As a nation we respond to every catastrophe in the world while ignoring the catastrophe here. Celebrities and others go to some country to adopt and they are celebrated by the media while those here for adoption are left in foster homes or an orphanage."

All of these things are separate issues, all equally due a debate, but you're intentionally attempting to take the focus off of the issue that you and I were discussing.

"Why are the homeless and others not treated as well as an illegal coming across the border."

Would it surprise you to learn that most of the homeless like being homeless?

"Perhaps some volunteers need to assist those Americans in such predicaments in going to a south American country then return crossing the border illegally."

I read that sentence five times and still cannot make any sense out of it.

"I will compare the percent of my income spent assisting others and donated to anyone including the mega wealthy and the hypocrites that think they will be rewarded for paying tithes."

Bragging does not make you look any more respectable.

August 21, 2014 at 7:51 a.m.
alprova said...

inquiringmind wrote: "Mr. Holder is a democrat and Zibble has regularly opined that he never met one he thought was worthwhile. Please spare us."

For as long as I have been politically aware, the office holder of Attorney General has to be the most criticized person in the course of every Presidential Administration.

It makes no difference whether they are Republican or Democrat, they always catch hell and can do nothing right.

The only thing I believe Eric Holder failed to do as Attorney General was to seek a civil rights violation case against George Zimmerman.

August 21, 2014 at 7:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....Fairmon, God doesn't recognize man's laws. He created this entire world without borders, titles and deeds, fences or locks, for everyone who inhabits this Earth.

Then why did he take sides in wars written about in the bible?

Why did he create the many languages when he supposedly sent them packing and speaking different languages to many lands when they tried to build a tower to heaven.

Why are the conditions allowed to exist that people flee from?

You do know the mules for the drug cartel distribution system are interspersed in those illegals coming across the border now. It is the law of supply and demand, their business is booming. I am sure you are very confident no ISIS recruits are among them?

I along with you wish they would send every last one of them to Georgia so Georgia can benefit from their contribution and grow and flourish as a state. A state full of people like you that deserve a break like that.

Perhaps they will protest and burn American flags and demand that Georgia be more accommodating and more like the place they left.

August 21, 2014 at 8:02 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Then why did he take sides in wars written about in the bible?"

Huh? You're going to have to be a bit more specific. God does not interfere with free will on Earth.

"Why did he create the many languages when he supposedly sent them packing and speaking different languages to many lands when they tried to build a tower to heaven."

Seriously? Languages?

"Why are the conditions allowed to exist that people flee from?"

Free will.

"You do know the mules for the drug cartel distribution system are interspersed in those illegals coming across the border now."

Desperation leads people to take desperate measures. Every illegal immigrant has their own story to tell.

"I am sure you are very confident no ISIS recruits are among them?"

Chances are next to none.

"I along with you wish they would send every last one of them to Georgia so Georgia can benefit from their contribution and grow and flourish as a state."

The bottom line is that they are human beings, who deserve more consideration than you would afford a stray dog.

August 21, 2014 at 8:39 a.m.
Maximus said...

Wow, Alprova, when asked, "How are you spending your "Golden Years" on disability?" His response..."Oh I sit on my ass 24/7 typing my very predictable liberally biased world view in response to a very liberal politically biased, hippy cartoonist. I call it "honesty" but like most every radical leftist it's about forcing my minority opinion down the majority's throat. Take the so called Washington Redskins name "issue". The vast majority of football fans, and we are talking about a football team name and the vast majority of American Indians either like the "Redskin" name or could care less about the issue but Clay and I keep the minority opinion "stirred up". This same community organizer technique is currently being used in Ferguson, MO. Yes it's been a good disability retirement especially since I qualify for all the other goddies my God and my President Obama provides....EBT Card, Cell Phone, Peanut Butter, Hook Cheese, Low Income Subsidy, Medicare since I am "disabled" but I can sit and type on my computer all day but I "deserve" to be on disability. Like most Democrats, my life is good as long as I keep my expectations low." Signed....Keeper Of The Liberal Lies Alprova.........Lol!

August 21, 2014 at 8:58 a.m.
Maximus said...

Yeah right.....every illegal immigrant has their own story to tell. On my visit to One of my new customers headquarters this week, a healthcare company, the CEO told me they have a particular ACA insurance plan where over 30,000 "Maria Fernandez" so called uninsured patients have signed up. Yes most of these new age ""immigrants" have their own story to tell....a lie.

August 21, 2014 at 9:25 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth, don't be mad because I evidence your dishonesty so well.

Your butt hurt posts are so transparent.

You know very little about my personal situation. I receive nothing at all that would be remotely considered to be a freebie.

I pay my way through life as I always have.

Thus, I do not have an EBT card, I pay for my cell phone, the days of free peanut butter and cheese are long gone, I receive no low income subsidy as I draw WAAAY too much, but I doggone sure have my parts A, B & D Medicare benefits in place.

This is not the first time I have taken the time to correct your intentionally offered misinformation.

I don't expect that you will change your lying ways, but you're never going to get away with such lies if I can help it.

August 21, 2014 at 9:26 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Yeah right.....every illegal immigrant has their own story to tell. On my visit to One of my new customers headquarters this week, a healthcare company, the CEO told me they have a particular ACA insurance plan where over 30,000 "Maria Fernandez" so called uninsured patients have signed up. Yes most of these new age ""immigrants" have their own story to tell....a lie."

I see, so you're back to working in the healthcare field this week, after flying out to California to see a customer in Napa Valley. Did you forget you typed that one yesterday?

You don't even try to keep your lies straight anymore, do you?

Case in point;

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jun/20/evidence-room-cartoon-clay-bennett-times/#c234519

August 21, 2014 at 9:31 a.m.
Ki said...

August 20/ 11:17pm post, zabbler: I don't think the officer set out to shoot a black man

Possible, but you could also be very very wrong. You and the rest agreeing with you could also be wrong when you say the shooting of Brown wasn't racially motivated. Here's why:

For decades the state of Missouri has attracted some of the most virulent racists and hate groups, including neo-nazis and remnants of the once-powerful-ku klux klan. The council of conservative citizens is also headquartered in st. Louis. They are a living legend to the white resistance to desegregation, with roots to the so-called citizens council that sprung up in the 1950s as a respectable adjunct to the klan, but with the same agenda; "2>4>6>8 we don't want to integrate!! mantra. And yes, like many cities, towns, across America, members of these groups, officially or unofficially active, can be found at any police force and other areas of the law and judicial system controlling the life, death and destiny of others. Remember the Klansman who, decades ago, declared "we are now the judges you stand before, the prosecutor who sends you to prison, even the defense lawyer pretending to defend you--we no longer wear white robes and hoods. We wear suits, ties and sit on the bench. We are your elected officials. We are alderman and we sit on local city councils.......!" Need I say more.

August 21, 2014 at 10:17 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Ki working overtime on Google.

Alpo working overtime on lying. He tells Max, "Maximyth, don't be mad because I evidence your dishonesty so well." pot meet kettle

Hey Alpo, have you no real life? Here, 16 per day, vomiting word after boring word. Try stamp collecting.

August 21, 2014 at 10:37 a.m.

Ki, all that you posted is fine and dandy but it's no proof that the officer is a racist. I would put that in the category of sophistry and you're really reaching to try and smear the guy.

There's no evidence that the officer hates blacks and shot him because he was black. The fact that Brown was shot 8 times tells me the officer overreacted, that's about it. There are also witnesses that say Brown attacked him.

Ferguson is a majority black area, and they have a white mayor who is a registered Republican. The police force serves the community, and they deal with the people in all kinds of ways, what evidence is there that they're racist. You're just trying to stuff them in category to meet your agenda.

Ki, you're desperate to portray this guy as a racist.

August 21, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alpo...hello....yes my trip to Cali was a success....I did not fly commercial you idiot. Using Medicare BEFORE you are 65 especially when you are mentally and physically healthy enough to do a real job classifies you as a moocher feeding at the big guvment tit. Sad really. I noticed you said nothing about you being a predictable keeper of the liberal victimization view. Alpo suffers from that mental disease called Liberalism.

August 21, 2014 at 10:41 a.m.
Ki said...

da' zab, Wilson smeared himself when he gunned down an unarmed young man with his hands raised in surrender mode. Has any media outlet gone to Jennings Mo. to investigate why Wilson either quit, resigned or was forced to leave the police dept. there?

da' jackzun , now that Google remark is funny as he/ll !!! A sense of humor in the early hours is a good sign. You're coming around, old boy. ;)

later/ :) ;)

August 21, 2014 at 10:47 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Alpo...hello....yes my trip to Cali was a success....I did not fly commercial you idiot."

You're a complete moron if you think I am going to believe a word you type. You're as pathetic as the other major troll in here trying to pass of that explanation. A private jet goes back and forth to California no faster than a commercial jet does.

You didn't go to California and now everyone knows you are a pathetic, pathological liar.

"Using Medicare BEFORE you are 65 especially when you are mentally and physically healthy enough to do a real job classifies you as a moocher feeding at the big guvment tit."

Sir, the last time I checked, it wasn't up to you to determine what if anything, anyone was qualified for. A Social Security Administrative judge approved my case without question.

"Sad really. I noticed you said nothing about you being a predictable keeper of the liberal victimization view."

I'm liberal and proud to be one!!

"Alpo suffers from that mental disease called Liberalism."

Your opinion is as meaningless as anyone else's.

August 21, 2014 at 10:57 a.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

On perversion, you might want to read this book: "In Search of Paul," by John Dominic Crossan and Jonathan L. Reed, HarperCollins(2004).

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I looked this guy up.

He is a heretic!

He is an apostate!

He is an anti Christ!

And you recommended his book!

August 21, 2014 at 11:01 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo tells Maximus "You didn't go to California and now everyone knows you are a pathetic, pathological liar." is that not funny?

August 21, 2014 at 11:02 a.m.
conservative said...

A reporter asks a rioter "why are you shooting, looting, and destroying property?"

The rioter answers "to protest violence, man!"

A cartoon out today.

August 21, 2014 at 11:14 a.m.

Ki, desperate. Witnesses say he attacked the officer. He wasn't an innocent teen going about his business and then shot because he was black. No evidence of that. Why don't you investigate why Wilson "quit, resigned or was forced to leave." That's what you libs do you toss out a bunch of crap and see where it sticks. With all the scrutiny by the media, which is mostly liberal leaning, surely by now they would know why he left Jennings. If there was anything there we would know it by now. You're desperate.

Your last two posts regarding this illustrates how your lefty mind works. You don't answer questions, you just toss out more questions. The fact are what they are to date, but you bring in a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with it. The office overreacted, he was hurt, and it looks like he shot the guy a bunch of times when he didn't need to. I have no idea what it's like to be in that situation. Brown was not just an unarmed teen who was sincerely trying to surrender. To drag in the KKK, the history of racism in MO. and some speculation about Wilson's history in Jennings is ridiculous.

August 21, 2014 at 11:17 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Ki means well. He's just steeped in years of ideology and can't see any other POV. Totally intractable. Totally intolerant. Actually thinks he wears the crown of righteousness. Has become what he professes to hate. Happens to most Leftists.

August 21, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Witnesses say he attacked the officer."

There is no witness I am aware of who has stated that. A woman who knows Wilson is telling his side of the story.

There are far more credible witnesses who have come forward and put themselves on television, who claim that Brown never touched Wilson.

"He wasn't an innocent teen going about his business and then shot because he was black."

That makes not a bit of difference. As far as Wilson was concerned, his only crime was walking in the middle of the road.

"Why don't you investigate why Wilson "quit, resigned or was forced to leave." That's what you libs do you toss out a bunch of crap and see where it sticks."

It might be all too relevant although there is nothing unusual when officers job hop.

"With all the scrutiny by the media, which is mostly liberal leaning, surely by now they would know why he left Jennings. If there was anything there we would know it by now. You're desperate."

As it appears you are in defending officer Wilson.

August 21, 2014 at 11:41 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^ and you are quick to condemn him.

August 21, 2014 at 11:46 a.m.

I'm not defending him at all. Tossing in stuff like the history of the KKK and the the history of racism in MO has nothing to do with this. He overreacted, but I don't see any evidence that he's a racist.

There is a feeding frenzy going on with this by the media. They must have dug up everything they could by now.

Something happened to trigger this. If there's an overreaction, there has to be something that triggered it. Unless Wilson has a history of blowing away black people, or the Ferguson P.D. does, which they don't, then we have to wait. I'm not defending the guy, but then again he's already been branded a racist. Not fair.

August 21, 2014 at 12:43 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

From Ferguson, MO, Malik Shabazz says "some of the anger is being stoked by "outside infiltrators," but the problems go beyond that, he says". too much material here. I just can't....

August 21, 2014 at 1:29 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Conservative, Unless you read what the two authors actually wrote, you can't support your condemnation of either one. You can read what others say they say but until you actually read what they say and form a critical opinion, your condemnation has no value.

One is a former Catholic, I hoped you would not reject him outright on that basis, the other is a highly regarded scholar of Biblical Studies.

Unless you operate from the perspective that everything in the KJV of the Bible is the absolute, literal inerrant truth then you can learn a lot from almost anyone to refine your understanding of the Bible.There is much to be learned even from those with whom you disagree. The commentary on Paul, in fact, only provides a detailed analysis of the political and theological background of the culture Paul and his congregations lived within. I don't think you'll find much theological ground breaking in the book. But you can obtain it and read it for yourself.

August 21, 2014 at 1:43 p.m.
alprova said...

inquiringmind wrote: "Unless you operate from the perspective that everything in the KJV of the Bible is the absolute, literal inerrant truth..."

He does.

"...then you can learn a lot from almost anyone to refine your understanding of the Bible. There is much to be learned even from those with whom you disagree."

If only...he would read and comprehend those two sentences, he could become a rational, clear-headed man.

Bravo!! Excellent points.

August 21, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.
Maximus said...

Well, well, an American journalist, James Foley, is beheaded by an Isis Radical Islamic Terrorist. Did ya'll see the utube footage? I'm sure Alprova and the other weak liberals will say the beheading is America's fault or their favorite, see...George Bush caused this hate. And like Hillary in front of the flag draped coffins after the Benghazi cluster furck, our fearful leader Barry The Welfare Pimp gives a flat, emotionless, speech yesterday then goes back to the golf course where he is photographed tucking it up with his fellow 1%ers.

As for me lying about my Cali trip: 1. I can type on my I pad most anyplace in the world. You idiots! 2. I'm not even in Chatt right now. Try Vegas!

In closing to touch on Obama and his desire for open borders.....the top boy name in the U.K. over the past 3 years.....wait for it......Mohammed. Britain with the liberal implementation of white imperialist guilt has basically become an Islamic country. Juan and Jose along with Mohammed are right around the corner for the U.S. IF Obama gets his way on immigration. By the way, the Isis executioner on the u tube video of the brutal execution of James Foley has a British accent. Isn't that special!

August 21, 2014 at 2:03 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

Conservative, Unless you read what the two authors actually wrote, you can't support your condemnation of either one. You can read what others say they say but until you actually read what they say and form a critical opinion, your condemnation has no value.

================================

Well I have read some of Mr. Crossan.

He is a heretic!

He is an apostate!

He is an anti Christ!

And you recommended his book!

August 21, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

One is a former Catholic, I hoped you would not reject him outright on that basis, the other is a highly regarded scholar of Biblical Studies.

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You set out to deceive or you are grossly unaware of what a scholar is.

A scholar is simply someone who has spent a lot of time studying a subject.

This does not make him correct on anything he writes or says.

Many Bible scholars are Liberal and are unbelievers. This means they are not Christians.

Many Bible scholars are dishonest and even blind to their prejudices.

Liberals who don't believe love to cite scholars who also don't believe. Liberals are certain to play the scholar card when they set out to deceive. It never fails!

You can throw the scholar card around but it is meaningless by itself, it proves nothing!

August 21, 2014 at 2:26 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

He (You are zeroing on Crossan, I assume) is not anti-Christ or a heretic, he is on one side of the so-called In Search of Jesus "school." As far as Catholic ideology is concerned he is a former priest but still claims Catholicism but if an apostate but I'd have to read that part of his writing to know. I'm more interested in understanding the World Paul lived in, it had to shape his theology, it is clear his Jewish World did.

You ought to read the book before deciding its value to you, not some snippet from U-tube or wikipedia.

August 21, 2014 at 2:30 p.m.
alprova said...

Inquiringmind, you tried.

The man is hopeless.

August 21, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

Unless you operate from the perspective that everything in the KJV of the Bible is the absolute, literal inerrant truth then you can learn a lot from almost anyone to refine your understanding of the Bible

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The King James, as well as other translations in English and those in other languages are just that - translations.

The original Scriptures are inspired of God and are infallible and inerrant:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

We have thousands of copies of those originals and they all agree in doctrine.

Now, you learned one, please list for me the doctrines in the King James that are not true.

August 21, 2014 at 2:55 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Be certain of this-

I will ask you again, from time to time, to list the doctrines taught in the King James that you say are not true.

August 21, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

He (You are zeroing on Crossan, I assume) is not anti-Christ or a heretic...

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And what has he said about the Resurrection, an essential doctrine of Christianity?

August 21, 2014 at 3:05 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie wrote: "The King James, as well as other translations in English and those in other languages are just that - translations."

And you know each and every word had a correct corresponding word in the language it was being translated to, don't you?

"The original Scriptures are inspired of God and are infallible and inerrant:"

Anyone who knows the Bible, knows that is totally incorrect.

"We have thousands of copies of those originals and they all agree in doctrine."

We do? Where are they? Have you seen them? Can you verify each word written in a dialect of Greek and Hebrew that is no longer spoken or written today, is 100% accurate?

"Now, you learned one, please list for me the doctrines in the King James that are not true."

How about attacking my list? Not true? That's easy...

According to the KJV of the Bible, God is alleged to have murdered all life on Earth, which would include men, women, children, animal life, save for those who were commanded to enter an extremely large wooden boat, the evidence of which has never been found on this planet.

Do you believe God to be a murderer, or is it probable that the story is false?

Your stance that the Bible is unerring and infallible places you in quite a quandry when it comes to the most controversial story ever written.

I await your logical, reasonable, sensible response, or will you merely attack me with multiple postings calling me an Anti-Christ?

August 21, 2014 at 3:10 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo needs Beano.

August 21, 2014 at 3:20 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Just read the open anti Christ and constant blasphemer Mr. Anthony Provancher.

Which of his statements do you agree with?

August 21, 2014 at 3:26 p.m.
alprova said...

HAW...HAW...HAW...HAW HAW.

You're so predictable.

The Bible clearly states that God murdered all life but what was saved on Noah's Ark, does it not?

At least answer that question honestly, Connie.

If you can't at least do that, please blaspheme my pole you closet queen.

August 21, 2014 at 3:31 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Brazen anti Christ Mr. Anthony Provancher just wrote:

"The Bible clearly states that God murdered all life but what was saved on Noah's Ark, does it not?"

Do you see anything wrong with that statement inquiringmind?

August 21, 2014 at 3:40 p.m.
conservative said...

INQUIRINGMIND

The open and brazen anti Christ, Mr. Anthony Provancher, has made that statement several times so he has no excuse.

August 21, 2014 at 3:48 p.m.
alprova said...

And the statement is just as true as it was the first time I typed it, isn't it Connie?

August 21, 2014 at 3:50 p.m.
Ki said...

MaxineNUS said, ISIS executioner has British accent

Whose name is believed to be John and body build doesn't resemble any middle easterner I've ever met. Even in that black costume, "john" appears very eerily anglo. Just like in that other alleged beheading of that journalist, where those allegedly be headers seemed eerily western with white hands exposed or Georgian. No not from the state of Georgia, but the country Georgia.

Don't forget ISIS was financed by American allies, Saudi Arabia , to name one, but a major player in what's taking place in that region, with a lot at risk

August 21, 2014 at 3:57 p.m.
conservative said...

INQUIRINGMIND

Are you stumped?

August 21, 2014 at 4:03 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Connie, please don't give alprova a cause to gas-off. I know he needs the release, but good grief, man.

August 21, 2014 at 4:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie wrote: "INQUIRINGMIND Are you stumped?"

Uh no...that would be me.

August 21, 2014 at 4:27 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

connie,

You do not have to believe every word a person writes to have it improve your own perspective.

I do not hold as true everything the author in question writes. Several ANE (ancient near east) religious traditions include a similar flood story. What does that mean? As far as the KJV, new or old versions), in many cases it is not based on a sound and accurate translation of the original languages of the extant copies of long-lost originals (to date, all original documents are lost to antiquity); in other cases its quaint old English still gives beauty to some texts.

I suggest you calm down and let others believe what they may without harassment. I thought you had changed and were prepared to have a respectful discussion with those who have a diferent perspective but you certainly are not today.

I'll just leave you to yourself so you can work out your own salvation with "fear and trembling."

good bye and Peace be with you.

August 21, 2014 at 4:32 p.m.
conservative said...

INQUIRINGMIND

So, you now are going to run.

You are gibbering again.

What doctrines in the King James are not the truth?

You have something in mind not being true in the King James, so why won't you state it?

I contend that you will not because you cannot!

You often take the low road and you are often condescending and disrespectful toward me, especially when you address me.

I will not let you play the victim card, sorry.

August 21, 2014 at 4:48 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Damn ConMan, just say that you don't believe Crossan because he is a Catholic. To say otherwise just adds to your tally of lies.

August 21, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.
conservative said...

INQUIRINGMIND

BTW, You know John Crossan is a heretic and denies the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

That also makes him an apostate and an anti Christ.

He even goes so far to deny that Jesus was buried in a tomb as stated in the King James.

Do you agree with him on both of those?

How can you defend him and recommend his book?

August 21, 2014 at 5:03 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Con, are Catholics Christian?

August 21, 2014 at 5:11 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Connie, why do you dodge this question?

August 21, 2014 at 5:48 p.m.

Ki, it doesn't matter if they're middle eastern, or if they're recruits or converts, does it? It seems like you're trying to detract from the fact that Muslims from the middle east are behind this. What difference does it make if where the islamonazis come from? The UK is overrun with Muslim immigrants from the middle east who have radical ties.

August 21, 2014 at 6 p.m.

A Muslim who grew up in the UK for the most part will sound just like any other person who grew up in the UK. They'll have an English accent.

August 21, 2014 at 6:02 p.m.
alprova said...

Oh my...now I will tremble in abject fear whenever I hear a British (English) accent.

You meanies have ruined my perception of the English. Now they are likely radical Muslims.

I just can't believe it.

August 21, 2014 at 6:24 p.m.

Regarding the topic, prove that Brown was in the surrender position with his hand up in the air when he was shot.

How did Wilson end up with a broken eye socket?

August 21, 2014 at 6:25 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

The White House needs to advise Chuck Hagel about ISIS being the JV. Apparently he missed the memo.

August 21, 2014 at 6:27 p.m.
alprova said...

I'd like to see Connie answer Jack's question too.

But you know what? He's not going to answer that question because his religious understandings are all false.

His reluctance to answer that question exposes his underlying yellow belly.

Somebody sure messed up his head early in his life. Nobody could have attained all this childish understanding of religion as an adult.

August 21, 2014 at 6:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said..The bottom line is that they are human beings, who deserve more consideration than you would afford a stray dog.

Some do some don't. How much consideration should those already in America, bred and born here, get? It is sad to see how the elderly and the youngest are left in terrible conditions and treated with less consideration that those entering illegally.

Any one between very elderly, over 75, or very young under 16 with the physical and mental ability to work should be on their own and work for what they get. Why should people not be provided meaningful work to receive government assistance?

With all the resources and ability you have why are you accepting disability when someone in greater need could be better provided for?

August 21, 2014 at 6:34 p.m.
alprova said...

"Regarding the topic, prove that Brown was in the surrender position with his hand up in the air when he was shot."

The position of his head during that final, fatal shot, indicates that his head was down when that bullet entered his skull.

"How did Wilson end up with a broken eye socket?"

I wouldn't put it past him to have had someone hit him purposely to cause an injury like that to set up his story.

There still has been no evidence released publicly that he was injured, with the exception of the Ferguson Police Chief, and who the hell trusts that guy at this point and time?

Where are the photos? Where are the medical reports with times of treatment? I flat out don't believe, at this point, that Michael Brown attacked Darren Wilson.

It doesn't make sense the way the story is being told by the Darren Wilson defenders.

When has anyone ever heard of a man attacking a police officer from outside a driver's door of a police car? How the hell could a man reach for a police officer's gun from outside that driver's door?

No one has stated that the officer's door was ever open while this alleged struggle occurred.

It makes zero sense.

August 21, 2014 at 6:36 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Because he knows how to game the system.

August 21, 2014 at 6:38 p.m.
ibshame said...

There are videos of Wilson standing near the body of Brown IF as you say he had a BROKEN eye socket there would have been blood somewhere on his face and Browns hands would have shown signs of that type of injury to someone else. In other words he could not have possibly broken Wilsons eye socket without some type of injury to his own hands. According to Dr. Michael Baden, a forensic pathologist that performed an autopsy on Brown, there was no signs of any type of struggle on Brown's body. Now come up with another lie.

August 21, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Some do some don't."

You're going to have to be more specific than that. Which ones do not?

"How much consideration should those already in America, bred and born here, get?"

`Are you under some impression that home grown folk do not receive consideration already?

"It is sad to see how the elderly and the youngest are left in terrible conditions and treated with less consideration that those entering illegally."

The only way that is happening is if the elderly, the parent(s) of the youngest, or their family does not request the proper assistance.

"Any one between very elderly, over 75, or very young under 16 with the physical and mental ability to work should be on their own and work for what they get. Why should people not be provided meaningful work to receive government assistance?"

In a perfect world, what you state would most definitely be fantastic. But we don't live in a perfect world, or a perfect country, do we?

"With all the resources and ability you have why are you accepting disability when someone in greater need could be better provided for?"

Do you honestly believe I owe you a respectful answer to that question?

Rather than to be disrespectful to you, I'll let you believe whatever you so desire. You're going to anyway.

August 21, 2014 at 6:48 p.m.

ibshame, laughable.

You want the evil white policeman to have shot the innocent teen and be made an example of. You want him to be a racist and you want him have shot Brown because he's black. You want that to be the case way too much. All I know is 8 shots is a lot, and that I saw Brown on vid slapping around a little asian store worker. Other than that, I don't anything. It's all speculation.

Yeah, Baden, who was fired as NY's medical examiner, is so reliable and has no political agenda.

The fact is you don't know the facts, and neither do I.

Now, if you want an adult and logical view of this so far, read Thomas Sowell's piece in National Review about this. You know, that "uncle tom" you like so much?

I do know that Holder and the Governor are irresponsible. Holder is a racist, that much I do know.

August 21, 2014 at 6:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said... I doggone sure have my parts A, B & D Medicare benefits in place.

Do you purchase a Medicare supplement insurance?

August 21, 2014 at 6:51 p.m.

Ferguson P.D. does not have a history of shooting black men just because they're black. There's no proof of it. But, from the way some of you libs and the media act you would think that finally the Horrible Ferguson P.D. is finally being exposed for the evil racist group that they are.

August 21, 2014 at 6:53 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Zab, the popo must be racist to fit their narrative.

August 21, 2014 at 7 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Beshamed, a headlock from the 300 lb. Gentle giant could have done it. Or maybe the cop had a buddy cold cock him with a billy stick.

August 21, 2014 at 7:02 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "You want the evil white policeman to have shot the innocent teen and be made an example of."

I want the truth, no matter what. I don't believe the story as it is filtering out by Darren Wilson.

"You want him to be a racist and you want him have shot Brown because he's black."

You lie.

"I saw Brown on vid slapping around a little asian store worker."

You lie again and your powers of observation are very diminished.

He PUSHED aside the EAST INDIAN store worker/owner and intimidated him for one second when it appeared the worker/owner was going to pursue him out the door.

"Yeah, Baden, who was fired as NY's medical examiner, is so reliable and has no political agenda."

If he was indeed fired, it was the best thing that ever happened to him, given that he's went national and has become one of the most highly consulted and respected forensic pathologists.

"The fact is you don't know the facts, and neither do I."

So why are you defending this officer?

"Now, if you want an adult and logical view of this so far, read Thomas Sowell's piece in National Review about this. You know, that "uncle tom" you like so much?"

What could he possibly know that none of us do not?

"I do know that Holder and the Governor are irresponsible. Holder is a racist, that much I do"

If you believe Eric Holder to be a racist, then you do not know the meaning of the word.

I'm enthusiastic that because Eric Holder has the Justice Department investigating this case, whichever what it goes, it will be dealt with honestly and without prejudice.

August 21, 2014 at 7:06 p.m.
conservative said...

INQUIRINGMIND

John Crossan does not believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Are you aware that one cannot be a Christian and deny that Jesus Christ rose from the dead?

Why would you recommend his book when he is a heretic?

August 21, 2014 at 7:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Do you purchase a Medicare supplement insurance?"

How many times are you going to ask me this question?

I have stated several times that as a resident here in the Bible belt of the South, as a stage 4 kidney patient, there is no insurance company willing to sell anyone in my predicament a supplemental policy.

There are only 12 states that require insurers to sell supplemental policies to patients with dire levels of kidney failure.

No other medical condition outside of kidney failure precludes one from being eligible for supplemental insurance.

August 21, 2014 at 7:14 p.m.

alprova i wasn't addressing you, that was for ibshame. Holder proved himself to me in the black panther situation in Philadelphia, i think it was..

I'm not defending Wilson. There's no evidence at all that he's a racist.

The vid is what it is..it makes Brown look bad. How is that a lie? He was being a bully.

August 21, 2014 at 7:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Ferguson P.D. does not have a history of shooting black men just because they're black."

But they do have a reputation for shooting black people under questionable circumstances. That was born very early after this incident happened.

"But, from the way some of you libs and the media act you would think that finally the Horrible Ferguson P.D. is finally being exposed for the evil racist group that they are."

If the Ferguson Police Department is not up to par, you're going to see some heads roll by the time the Feds conclude their investigation.

August 21, 2014 at 7:18 p.m.

Yeah, let's go on a crusade against the Ferguson P.D.

In fact, let's make the primary focus of this country.

August 21, 2014 at 7:24 p.m.
conservative said...

INQUIRINGMIND

Brazen anti Christ Mr. Anthony Provancher wrote:

"The Bible clearly states that God murdered all life but what was saved on Noah's Ark, does it not?"

Do you see anything wrong with that statement inquiringmind?

August 21, 2014 at 7:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "alprova i wasn't addressing you, that was for ibshame. Holder proved himself to me in the black panther situation in Philadelphia, i think it was.."

Better think again. That happened while GWB was in office. Holder wasn't even up for the position when all that went down.

Michael Mukasey was the Attorney General at the time.

"I'm not defending Wilson. There's no evidence at all that he's a racist."

No one has accused him of being a racist. Why do you lie the way you do?

"The vid is what it is..it makes Brown look bad. How is that a lie? He was being a bully."

Stealing a box of cigars and beating a police officer are far and away different crimes and the young man had not a sliver of criminal history in his eighteen years on this Earth.

None. No fights in school. No prior acts of robbery. No prior confrontations with any police.

Something is not adding up, and while I've seen all kinds of people who take the side of Michael Brown appear in person to tell their story, I see nothing but sound bites of those attempting to pass on what Darren Wilson claims happened.

I remember that video shot by the girl whose apartment was just above the shooting scene. Darren Wilson had no facial injuries. He was pacing back and forth in front of that dead body.

That indicates to me that he knew he had $%&^ed up very badly.

The Police Department is trying their best to cover this whole thing up for Darren Wilson. I don't think they will get away with it.

August 21, 2014 at 7:29 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Last time I checked, India was still in Asia.

August 21, 2014 at 7:30 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Yeah, let's go on a crusade against the Ferguson P.D. In fact, let's make the primary focus of this country."

No need to. The FBI and the Justice Department are on the case. I'm confident that the facts will emerge once the investigations are complete.

August 21, 2014 at 7:31 p.m.

I'm not confident.

Why do I lie? The perception the media, the race hustlers and some on here are giving is that he is.

August 21, 2014 at 7:39 p.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner attempted to wade into adult conversation with: "Last time I checked, India was still in Asia."

Now even you have to be smart enough to understand that an East Indian is never referred to as an Asian.

Are Pakistanis referred to as Asians? Are Russians referred to as Asians? Are Ukrainians referred to as Asians?

You are so determined to attempt to discredit me, that you are posting stupidity all day long, which only bounces back on you.

One day, you'll decide to leave me alone.

Maybe. Soon.

August 21, 2014 at 7:40 p.m.

Whatever the case is, he was a bully in that vid. There's no denying it, just like there's no denying that Wilson overreacted by shooting him so many times later.

August 21, 2014 at 7:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "I'm not confident."

That's your problem. Hire a Republican leaning investigator.

"Why do I lie? The perception the media, the race hustlers and some on here are giving is that he is.*"

You are not discussing this case with anyone in the media or a "race hustler" and no one I have seen has posted in here a charge that that Darren Wilson was a racist or that he shot Brown because he was black.

If Michael Brown had been white, it might have had the same outcome, and if there were witnesses to what happened, we could still be discussing this case, but there would be differences of course.

August 21, 2014 at 7:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Whatever the case is, he was a bully in that vid."

A bully? Yes. A thief? Yes again. Was he violent? No.

"There's no denying it, just like there's no denying that Wilson overreacted by shooting him so many times later."

That is a fact and one that will not be easily explained.

August 21, 2014 at 7:48 p.m.
Maximus said...

What about the liberal talking head Joe Scarborough I think calling Barry The Welfare Pimp, I have the copyright on that moniker for Obama by the way, A COLD S.O.B. Hey Joe, we knew it all along dude, we knew it all along!

Obama has left the building as far as leadership. Thank God!

August 21, 2014 at 7:50 p.m.
Maximus said...

Uhhhh Al, the evidence will show that Brown attacked Wilson and did not respond to the officers orders to stop. He had the right and the authority to shoot Brown as many times it took to stop the attack. Case closed.

August 21, 2014 at 7:53 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo, I don't have to. You discredited yourself months ago. Collect stamps, build model airplanes, make paper dolls. Your commentary is tainted.

August 21, 2014 at 8:11 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth, I'm hardly surprised to see you offer evidence that cannot be found anywhere.

It is not permissible for an officer to shoot a anyone who is fleeing the scene, especially if they are unarmed.

Dr. Michael Baden said there was no evidence that the two men struggled, so it is going to be very interesting to see how all this plays out for the cop, whom I think made a horrible mistake in judgment, but one that resulted in a cold blooded killing.

August 21, 2014 at 8:15 p.m.
alprova said...

The little whiner wrote: "Alpo, I don't have to. You discredited yourself months ago. Collect stamps, build model airplanes, make paper dolls. Your commentary is tainted."

I dunno. I seem to have no trouble engaging in this forum. You seem to have a great deal of trouble engaging with others.

But you keep trying to convince yourself of your innocence. You're about the only person believing it.

August 21, 2014 at 8:18 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ever notice how extremely cynical and socially dysfunctional liberals have absolutely zero sense of humor? Alprova is a perfect example.

August 21, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.
Ki said...

da zab said/6 pm: * ki it doesn't matter if they're middle eastern, recruits or converts*

What if they're none of the above?

What if they're allies or something' other (hint, hint ;) wink) trying to draw the west into an even deeper conflict in that region? There's so much at stake, so much has been invested, and I don't mean in the way of human lives. The investers aren't going to walk away from this quietly and cut their lost. That's what happens when the invading country allows another country to finance their invasion. S.A.

August 21, 2014 at 8:22 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Oh, I dunno, Alpo. Me & Ki pretty tight.

August 21, 2014 at 8:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...There are only 12 states that require insurers to sell supplemental policies to patients with dire levels of kidney failure.

TN must be one of the 12 since I have a friend that is on dialysis that has an excellent supplement. I did not realize insurers could ask about preexisting conditions when applying for a Medicare supplement.

August 21, 2014 at 8:25 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Surely if Officer Wilson had a broken eye socket, some doctor, nurse, or orderly could confirm that he received medical treatment. I mean an injury like that would have required an Xray, MRI, and/or CT scan. I don't think treatment for a broken eye socket could have been kept a secret for this long.

And everyone screaming about "Wilson not being able to receive a fair trial", didn't you guys say the same thing about George Zimmerman? You didn't have a problem with that verdict. What about the four cops in the Rodney King beating. Acquitted. Casey Anthony. Acquitted. OJ Simpson. Acquitted. Speaking of which I couldn't help but notice the appearance of Mark Furman on some of the Fox News programs. Commenting on race and how it affects this case and how it is being used to gain sympathy for Brown. How ironic.

August 21, 2014 at 8:33 p.m.
Ki said...

da zab ask: "how did Wilson end up with a broken eye socket"

zabby, it's called the zimmerman defense. ;)

August 21, 2014 at 8:37 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Maximus said... Uhhhh Al, the evidence will show that Brown attacked Wilson and did not respond to the officers orders to stop. He had the right and the authority to shoot Brown as many times it took to stop the attack. Case closed."

You like that dumba$$ fister are a liar. There is no such evidence other than the word of that cop. First the police release a video of Brown on the day of the shooting when they were releasing the name of the cop that shot Brown. In that same conference the POLICE CHIEF says at the time of the stop by Wilson, he was not aware Brown had been involved in a robbery. Next the story is he realized Brown was involved in the robbery when he heard a call come over the radio and thought he saw cigars in Brown's hands. It was at that point he tried to subdue Brown but Brown supposedly fought him and then ran away. He got out of his car and began to pursue Brown all the while shooting at him. Brown all of a sudden stops turns and starts to bum rush him. Now only a fool would believe that version on any level. If Brown had been struggling with him and then tried to get away from him by running, then he's going to stop after this cop has shot at him while running away and he's going to bum rush the cop, the same cop who has been shooting at him as he's running away?

Now we are expected to believe after a whole week has gone by that the cop had a broken eye socket? There are several videos of him standing around, the only BLOOD that can be seen anywhere is the blood on the street surrounding Brown's body. Wilson's face has no blood on it anywhere and this is just minutes after the so-call struggle that is suppose to have taken place. One of the most world renowned forensic pathologist performs an autopsy on the body of Brown and there are NO SIGNS OF ANY STRUGGLE ANYWHERE ON BROWN'S BODY. If he had broken that man's eyesocket with ANY amount of force there would have been signs on his hands indicating that type of attack. You don't have to be a forensic pathologist to know that.

The bottom line is this, that police officer is going to have to come up with a better set of lies than he has produced so far. More than likely he's going to walk but Justice will eventually walk him down. Byron D. Beckwith walked away for over 30 years after his cowardly killing of Medgar Evers in Mississippi but eventually Justice slow walked him down and he spent the remainder of his days not in the comfort of his home as he had thought he would but in a jail cell where he belonged. OJ Simpson walked away from the killing of his wife and her friend but he will more than likely spend the rest of his days in a jail cell in Nevada. George Zimmerman walked away from the killing of Trayvon Martin but I have no doubt sooner rather than later, Justice will pay him a call as well. So even if Wilson walks, Justice will walk him down eventually.

August 21, 2014 at 8:40 p.m.
Ki said...

Not only that Gauss. EMT would have been called to the scene and Wilson would have received treatment on the spot and likely transported to the emergency room. Instead he was allowed to drive away in his SUV, which was part of a crime scene, without any processing or examination of the SU.V on the spot. Either it's incompetence from the highest order or the attempt to cover-up started immediately at the scene of the killing of Brown.

August 21, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Get a rope. That's what you mullets want.

August 21, 2014 at 8:46 p.m.
Ki said...

da jacjzun, Wilson already beat us to it.

And what's that ki and me tight sh!t?!! U r nuts! Lol

August 21, 2014 at 8:55 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

No, Jack. It's sad that every effing issue in this country has to be a political argument. You Conservatives have taken the pro-Fox News stance, for the police officer. The Democrats have taken the pro-MSNBC stance, for Brown. It's BS. The truth doesn't matter anymore, you guys just want your side to be the right one. Things seem fishy on both sides, yet neither side wants to admit it.

August 21, 2014 at 8:56 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TheJackDennis said... Get a rope. That's what you mullets want"

Rope? No. Wilson doesn't deserve to die but he does deserve to be sent to jail.

August 21, 2014 at 9:02 p.m.
alprova said...

aximyth wrote: "Ever notice how extremely cynical and socially dysfunctional liberals have absolutely zero sense of humor? Alprova is a perfect example."

Perhaps you find humor in the death of an unarmed 18 year old black man, but I assure you, I do not.

Stick your brand of humor where the sun never shines.

August 21, 2014 at 9:19 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gassy, Fox be damned. I just want a fair shake for all. Trending toward vigilante justice. Do you doubt for a second that that mob wouldn't tear Wilson limb from limb?

August 21, 2014 at 9:21 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Ki, just a little levity. You southpaws need to loosen that cork a bit.

August 21, 2014 at 9:24 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

ib, realize maxi is out to lunch

August 21, 2014 at 9:27 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

listen connie you and your head are getting to be a little bit of a rectilinear piece of lumber that is close to square; in the book by Crossan that I referred to you, he never makes any statement about the Resurrection, whatever he believes, you are reading too much web and refusing to read the read source literature, the proper word for you is probably "obtuse." Worry about your own salvation.

August 21, 2014 at 9:33 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

connie, the old girl sez, "The King James, as well as other translations in English and those in other languages are just that - translations. The original Scriptures are inspired of God and are infallible and inerrant: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV" A beautiful case of circular reasoning. We know absolutely KJV was not derived from original sources.

The problem with connie is we have no original versions of any scriptures so we do not know even what was the motive of interpretation of the fragmentary pieces of copies are, copies that show where a subsequent translator copied into the text a notation of a question of interpretation in the margin of another earlier translator.

There are places in Matthew and in the Pauline Epistles where there is clear evidence of a hand from a later period when an organized congregation existed added text. The more one studies, the more one's faith is challenged. Some such as connie run from study in fear of loss of faith, others find strength in the complexity of the texts.

These fragmentary translations used to build up the canon put more and more emphasis of using the Holy Spirit to understand the intent of the Gospel, not relying on the word of a Pope or the word of some obscure translator who put together a nice version of a predominately latin manuscript that postdates the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts, or connie herself. And that includes the LXX. You do know what the LXX is, don't you?

August 21, 2014 at 9:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: **"TN must be one of the 12 since I have a friend that is on dialysis that has an excellent supplement. I did not realize insurers could ask about preexisting conditions when applying for a Medicare supplement.

"In most cases, you can’t join a Medicare Advantage Plan (like an HMO or PPO) if you have End-Stage Renal Disease (ESRD)"

www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf/10128.pdf - page 6, paragraph #2.

Tennessee became the one of the States to mandate the selling of such polices to ERSD patients in 2010.

Recipients of Social Security Disability Insurance benefits or patients with end-stage renal disease are entitled to Medicare coverage regardless of age, but are not automatically entitled to purchase Medigap policies unless they are at least 65.

Under federal law, insurers are not required to sell Medigap policies to people under 65, and even if they do, they may use medical screening.

Georgia still does not mandate the selling of Medigap or supplemental insurance to ERSD patients, so I'm sh!t outta luck.

There is a movement ongoing to make it a Federal law that ERSD patients cannot be excluded, but it's not happened yet.

August 21, 2014 at 9:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Hey whiner...it doesn't appear that Ki wants to be your butt buddy after all. Looks like you're going to need to stick that cork someplace else.

I know you're disappointed, but Z-man still likes you...every now and then.

August 21, 2014 at 10:08 p.m.

ibshame, lie about what? All I go by is what it out there. I brought up some questions and you you haywire. What you just want everyone to just proclaim Wilson a racist and that he shot Brown because he's black? The facts are in yet. Look at all you type there, you spout off all you want about it, but no one else can raise some questions? I read that Wilson has a broken eye socket, I saw a vid of Brown bullying the store worker, I read Brown was shot 8 times, I read that witnesses said they saw Brown attacking, I read that some said Brown was trying to surrender and was shot in the back, I read that there's been looting, and destruction of property.

August 21, 2014 at 10:21 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo, you just won't leave me alone, huh? Ok, so be it.

August 21, 2014 at 10:22 p.m.

Alprova, all I know about Jack is from here. By your logic, everyone that agrees with you is your butt buddy.

August 21, 2014 at 10:23 p.m.
Ki said...

da jackzun said: just a little levity

Shucks! jack, I thought you were proposing or somethin' :*( ___ ;) Now, just so you'll understand it's about bad, brute cops period allowed to shuffle from one agency to another, here's a link to a story about one of the only 3 black cops hired by Ferguson police dept. They even have a name for it. It's called muni shuffle :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/ferguson-eddie-boyd_n_5682454.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

August 21, 2014 at 10:30 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Ki, I thought it was Officer Wilson we were discussing. Huffington? Paleeeze.

August 21, 2014 at 10:36 p.m.

Why all of a sudden you're not hearing much about this situation? Seems like it stopped cold as of last night. The media got bored?

Guess it's time to move on to something else, huh?

Maybe it's possible that they investigated and they've come to the conclusion that Brown may have been the aggressor?

August 21, 2014 at 10:38 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Zab, Alpo is very insecure. Always worried about his "followers". Probably comes from being bullied as a kid. You know, short, fat, ugly.

August 21, 2014 at 10:39 p.m.

Bullying is a terrible thing, as seen on the vid of Brown bullying the store worker.

August 21, 2014 at 10:40 p.m.
Ki said...

Just going for sum levity jackzun. And to show an example of how easily bad cops are allowed to move from one agency to the other. Some who have been involved in serious law breaking that would place the average citizen in prison for 20+ years to life. Cops charged with everything from child-molestation, domestic assault to DUI, DWI and a lot of other serious, sometimes deadly, crimes have been allowed to slither on to the next agency, or sometimes quietly resign and be later rehired by the same agency.

August 21, 2014 at 10:45 p.m.
Ki said...

da zab said: bullying is a terrible thing

But shouldn't lead to a cold bloodied execution.

August 21, 2014 at 10:49 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Alprova, all I know about Jack is from here. By your logic, everyone that agrees with you is your butt buddy."

You really need to pay attention to what goes on in here. The little whiner tried to claim that he and Ki were "pretty tight."

I'm sorry for bringing you in on this. I was wrong to do that.

August 21, 2014 at 11:12 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Fat Al, I think you have a different interpretation of "being tight with someone" than I do. Your mind is a sewer.

August 21, 2014 at 11:35 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo lies again. About the Philadelphia New Black Party deal, he says "Better think again. That happened while GWB was in office. Holder wasn't even up for the position when all that went down." Holder WAS the AG when the matter was disposed of Nice try, spinmeister.

August 21, 2014 at 11:43 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

You wrote:

"Unless you operate from the perspective that everything in the KJV of the Bible is the absolute, literal inerrant truth then you can learn a lot from almost anyone to refine your understanding of the Bible"

You mean like John Crossan the heretic and apostate who you inquiringmind recommended to read. You know, the one who says the Resurrection did not happen.

And the irony of your failure to deceive and my success in exposing you.

August 24, 2014 at 3:46 p.m.
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