published Sunday, February 2nd, 2014

The Job Applicant

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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dude_abides said...

Not to mention all the Walmart air you can breathe at no charge.

February 2, 2014 at 12:36 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

That's because the government demands that you don't work at all to get the freebees. If you try to get a job and become a contributor to society, they immediately cut you off.

Instead of offering smaller amounts of assistance while you work, until you can stand on your own two feet, they cut you off so you must quit working just to eat. Guaranteed to keep the people down.

Isn't the welfare system great?

Lovely the way it works.

February 2, 2014 at 12:38 a.m.

That's right TOE.

This cartoonist is so predictable, Walmart, "gay rights", pro abortion, bash christians, defend BO, yada, yada, yada. Stooge.

February 2, 2014 at 1:22 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

And why would anybody want to work at Walmart their entire lives? If these people don't have enough ambition to try and better themselves, then they must do without the new cars, the home ownership............

Have you ever heard a child say, "when I grow up, I wanna stock shelves at Walmart"? It's not Walmart's responsibility to ensure it's employees a wage that doesn't offend them.

Walmart's business model has worked for many years. Walmart offers it's employees a better, cheaper healthcare plan than Obamacare can.

It's a free country. If people aren't happy with their jobs, for any reason, they're free to exercise their right to seek employment elsewhere.

February 2, 2014 at 1:48 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

IT'S CORPORATE WELFARE

More Walmart employees are on Medicaid and food stamps than any other company. 80% receive an average of $1,000 per month from good old Uncle Same. And by Uncle Sam I mean you and me. It's so bad that at Christmas some Walmart employees donated food to help feed their neediest co-workers.

American taxpayers subsidizing America's largest employer: Isn't corporate welfare great? Lovely the way it works.

No wonder Walmart is against raising the minimum wage.

February 2, 2014 at 2:05 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Again, don't like it, don't work there. Smart.

February 2, 2014 at 2:12 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BLAME THE WAGES

Walmart is America's largest employer. They pay low wages. The problem is not lazy workers scheming to stay on the "low wage gravy train."

If every Walmart employee quit and found a new job tomorrow nothing would change. They'd just hire new people. And Presto! There would again be more Walmart employees on food stamps and Medicaid than any other company.

Why do tea baggers love subsidizing the payroll of America's largest employer?

February 2, 2014 at 3:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

What would the minimum wage be if the initial rate had been adjusted annually for inflation using the CPI? It could be reduced by the additional legislated cost to employers by laws like the FMLA and the ADA which are two perhaps good but costly mandates. Based on the premise that anyone working 40 hours per week should make a livable wage would suggest the published poverty level for an individual divided by 2080 hours would be the minimum wage.

Adjusting the minimum wage would result in additional inflation since prices of goods and services would reflect the added cost. Higher prices would hurt most those it intended to help but still be a net positive for those working.

Many states have already addressed the minimum wage issue. Should it remain a state government function without interference by the federal government?

The cost of government has increased significantly more than CPI since that statistic began being kept and published while wages have not gone up a similar amount. Has a larger and larger government been more beneficial to workers than an increased average wage?

February 2, 2014 at 4:51 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Blackwater48 is correct.

”IT'S CORPORATE WELFARE” and the right wing ”BLAMEs THE WAGES.” Remember Blackwater48, before 2009 all was sunshine and flowers. There was no crash in 2008, no recession. The race to the bottom is all a liberal socialist plan.

”Commie Fleabaggers aren’t going anywhere ... You’re going to stay right here and continue to be wage slaves in a low paying jobs. We’re going to strip you of any possible wealth that you could possibly accumulate.That way you can pay back the enormous debt that you have piled up from the “Great Society” and the “War on Poverty.”

Iraq, Afghanistan or Medicare part D notwithstanding of course.

It is however time to start a 'new & improved' Benghazi debate.

February 2, 2014 at 6:58 a.m.
fairmon said...

The minimum wage should be $12.02 per hour with a work week of 36 hours instead of 40. Excluding social security, medical and a 401K non taxable benefits shall not exceed 20% of the individuals base rate.

February 2, 2014 at 8:26 a.m.
soakya said...

Again you wouldn't have this problem if the government wasn't in the charity business. charity is the individuals responsibility. but as we have seen on this forum and even in a editorial by a liberal the typical liberal response is to not meet that need when they are faced with a opportunity to do so. liberals love to demand governments role is to provide charity so they don't have to themselves. typical liberal hypocrisy.

February 2, 2014 at 9:07 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

"walmart is America's largest employer." And yet, the Left wants to bash them. Strange.

February 2, 2014 at 9:14 a.m.
limric said...

Right on the money Clay!

Wal Mart is a (if not THE biggest) ‘Welfare Queen’. It has received (and continues to do so) more than $1 billion in economic development subsidies. Cha Ching! And that $1 billion figure is probably low, considering public disclosure of subsidies is pretty limited.

”Wal-Mart presents itself as an entrepreneurial success story, yet it routinely gets big tax breaks, free land, cash grants and other forms of taxpayer assistance,” :Philip Mattera, research director of Good Jobs First.

Wal-Mart is a great example of how out of control corporate America has become. America is now defined by corporatocracy, not individuals, or individual enterprise.

Wal-Mart. Always high subsidies. Always.

If you find this at all disturbing, wait until the TPP passes.

February 2, 2014 at 9:48 a.m.
soakya said...

then the government should get out of the welfare business and you limric and your liberal friends should be doing more to meet the needs of those workers.

February 2, 2014 at 9:52 a.m.
Maximus said...

Clay once again showing the elitist "Whole Foods" Democrat snobbery against the tax paying, hard working middle class that shops at America's #1 retailer.....Wal-Mart. I have encountered this elitist snob attitude a LOT among Chatt Democrats but of course they will shop at big box Costco because the CEO supports Barry The Minimum Wage Welfare Pimp and his Big Bootie Beyonce wife Michelle.

Wal Mart is a great American success story and once again if you are staking your future on the minimum wage then you are a LOSER with all capital letters. Being passionate about raising the minimum wage is basically screaming out to the world that: 1. Like Obama, you have never owned, managed, and run a business. 2. You enjoy a high unemployment rate. 3. You like big government to tell you how to live. 4. You are a Lefty Loser like Clay. 5. You are an elitist limo liberal like Al Gore and Matt Damon oblivious to the financial challenges and hardships of building a business and thriving in the Middle Class and therefore support lefty liberal, cool, programs like the minimum wage. Throw the "little people" a bone to keep them happy. 6. You are gay and support Hillary and Elizabeth Warren. Oh and Liz Warren is part American Indian.....liar!

February 2, 2014 at 10:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Limmy. What would be a fair entry level wage for Walmart workers? dude_, same question.

February 2, 2014 at 10:19 a.m.
Ki said...

Although Wal-Mart isn't the only one, it provides jobs for people who are disabled and can't work full-time hours. Example would be facilities like Orange Grove that house and care for physically and mentally disabled, Wal-Mart, Bi-Lo and other corporations provide jobs for them on a limited basis, but they still qualify for government assistance. The same goes for Goodwill Industries, but Goodwill alone can't provide the amount of jobs that would be needed to sustain a disabled workforce. Wal-Mart hire individuals, and even offer job training skills where some can move up for people most companies wouldn't dare touch. Now if some of these companies would just put aside a certain amount of their jobs for former prisoners that would be GREAT! in moving this nation in the right direction.

February 2, 2014 at 10:29 a.m.
limric said...

Mmm, how about $10-10.50 per hr. with a 40hr work week.

PlainTruth, same question.

February 2, 2014 at 10:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

no objection to 10 bucks

February 2, 2014 at 10:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Punxsutawney Phil says 3 more years of gloom, despair, and agony on me.

February 2, 2014 at 10:42 a.m.
Ki said...

Most jobs already pay 10 bucks an hour, at least after that 90 day grace period. But the cost of living eats most of that up, and one small day off of work due to personal or family illness will still throw the earner off budget. There are so many variables, rules and laws that exist in America that earning a salary as high as 25 bucks an hour can throw a person off budget with just one traffic fine, paying for car insurance, heating, food, and other necessaties. Most who work require some form of transportation. And if you own personal transportation by law you will need car insurance. Just chance going without it and get stopped during a routine traffic stop. That's a ticket plus court cost that can end up costing you close to or well over 200 bucks or more. Hire a lawyer to fight the charge? At the minimum that will cost you 500 bucks. And if there's more than one charge tacked on, which the traffic cop will try to add, that's 500 bucks the attorney will require for each charge. And if you're still found guilty after hiring an attorney, and want to appeal? It can cost you $10,000.00 to appeal. Everything in America has become a racket and only the affluent and well connected can afford to stay. Who rarely are charged if they are caught doing something illegal. Look at the kid who fired shots outside that school recently. He must have connections or family influence of some kind. His mug wasn't even posted, and it looks as if his name has been purposely misspelled so it will be difficult to look up.

February 2, 2014 at 10:44 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

KI, not sure I'm getting your point. ?

February 2, 2014 at 10:47 a.m.
dude_abides said...

PT... Walmart, specifically, could help their employees enormously by making major discounts available. They sell everything from automotive service to birthday cakes. So, I'm thinking like, 3 birthday cakes an hour, plus one front end alignment per week to start.

February 2, 2014 at 11:48 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

gee, dude, that's really funny.

February 2, 2014 at 11:50 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

At least Toes doesn't suggest they should pay to work at Walmart.

February 2, 2014 at 12:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PT... Yes it is. So but then do you think that Walmart in Rancho Santa Fe should pay the same as the Walmart in Tupelo? Does one size, indeed, fit all? Or are you saying that's not enough cake?

February 2, 2014 at 1:14 p.m.
conservative said...

I think all of Wal-Mart's competitors should pay their employees $40.00 an hour.

February 2, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.
conservative said...

I think the TFP should pay Clay Bennett, David Cook and Pam Sohn $10.00 an hour.

February 2, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.
Ki said...

PT, I'm not sure how old you are. I'll attempt to explain and clarify myself:

Back in the sixties, most workers were able to save at least a small portion of their earnings, even those making $2.60 an hour. Don't laugh. That was the basic minimum wage for many as recently as the 1960s and 1970s. A loaf of bread may have cost about 69 cents. A can of vegetables maybe 10 cents a can. Workers didn't have all these out expenses they're burden with today. The criminal justice system hadn't stumbled on the gold mind of carrying out routine arrests. There was actually an order and honor to the system back then. Although there was still discrimination, but even then there could be found a certain level of fairness in many cases. Then greed kicked in and the system saw how much money could be made off the backs of especially the working class and working poor, and doubly especially the working poor minority classes.

Requiring people to pay a fair share of taxes is not the problem. The problem is what they bring home and end up having to spend out on unexpected expenses. The bulk of take home pay goes towards any and everything but normal family expenses. I can recall a young man who had his entire pay of about 600+ bucks confisicated after cashing his check when he was pulled over and he had forgotten he had a pain pill in his pocket, he'd found on the floor board of his vehicle while cleaning out his car. On top of taking his earned salary he was arrested under having a "controlled substance." Which turned out to be just a basic over the counter pain pill. That family ended up losing their vehicle and he lost his job and they near lost having a place to stay, because the wife or girlfriend couldn't carry the burden alone while he was locked up. Last I checked, he's out, recently found another job (which took several months, because he lost the other one while locked up), but they're still struggling to catch up. He never did get any of that 600+ legally earned salary back. Which forces a lot of these families into going out doing something illegal, such as selling drugs, just to keep a roof over their heads. There are so many variables going on in America that can permanently sink a family. Especially ones already struggling and on the brink.

February 2, 2014 at 1:30 p.m.
conservative said...

I think Owebama, Hellary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, the list is too long so make it all the Liberals in Congress should make $10.00 an hour.

February 2, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.
jesse said...

I would think ya could get off on Cooks piece today con man, right up your alley!!

Says a LOT about the state of T F P when they write editorials in favor of "snake handlin"! No wonder they haven't been able to replace Jay.

February 2, 2014 at 1:32 p.m.
Maximus said...

Plain Truth.....the fair comes once a year. Grow up! Again, Obama's minimum wage rant is just another Democrat "income inequality" talking point. The Democrats have used the working man as a pawn for decades when in truth, they could care less.

Again, if you or your kid is over 21 making minimum wage then you should be doing everything YOU should do to work your way to a higher wage. With all the Democrat slackers out there today, if you apply yourself and work hard it won't be long before you are making more than the guvment minimum.

What everyone should really be looking at is your W2 and see how much in Obamer fed taxes you have already paid. For most Americans, we are working until the month of May just to pay our federal income taxes. What the furck?

February 2, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
soakya said...

conservative, why would you want to overpay them. maybe 2 bucks a hour

February 2, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.
jesse said...

KI. in 1964 a journeyman iron worker made $2.77 per hour!! Min. wage was maybe $.75 per hour!Gas was .$.26 a gal!

February 2, 2014 at 1:39 p.m.
soakya said...

ki, sorry but getting people to pay their fair share of taxes is part of the problem, the other part is government doing things they are not suppose to be doing. when almost 50% of workers not only pay no federal income tax but then get 1000' back in refundable credits we have a problem.

February 2, 2014 at 1:43 p.m.
conservative said...

soakya said...

conservative, why would you want to overpay them. maybe 2 bucks a hour

February 2, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.

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Because I feel sorry for them and to prove that I have compassion for them.

February 2, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

dude_ , local cost of living should be factored into any pay.

February 2, 2014 at 1:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PT... Okay, to return to your original question, give me about a month to check the cost of living in every area that has a Walmart, nationwide, and I will get back to you. Do you think there's any merit in Walmart passing along major discounts to workers? A little bit of "below-wholesale-price love?"

February 2, 2014 at 2:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dude_, pretty sure I don't care when,or what you check. All retailers give employees discounts. Maybe they should check with you on the proper %. Why the hate on Wally?

February 2, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

They should pay to work at Walmart.

February 2, 2014 at 2:17 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Walmart health plans better than Obamacare

A good side by side comparison of Obamacare vs. Walmart offerings.

JAMA found the unsubsidized premium for a nonsmoking gouple age 60 can cost $1,365 per month versus the Walmart cost of about $134 for the same couple.

The medical journal reported a 30-year-old smoker would pay up to $428 per month, in contrast to roughly $70 each month for a Walmart employee.

A family of four could pay a $962 premium, but the same Walmart family member would pay about $160.

http://oregoncatalyst.com/26047-walmart-health-plans-obamacare.html

February 2, 2014 at 2:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

No Wally hate. Just gave his heirs a bunch of money yesterday for Super comestibles. Why do you hate the working poor?

So you now have read your original question and have decided it was, at best, naive?

February 2, 2014 at 2:31 p.m.
degage said...

The average pay for full time (40 hrs) a week at walmart is $12.81 per hour with benefits. The weekly amount deducted for health ins is $17. Entry level depends on the area the store is in is around $8 to $10.That may be part timers. Don't know if part time can apply for health ins. Those of you so down on walmart, have you ever applied there or worked there or are you just going on what the talking points are by the unions? Do you shop there?

February 2, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

No degage, they think people stocking shelves should be able to buy houses and cars because "it just ain't fair". you know, to "level the field".

All the hard work and schooling that doctors and engineers put in should have no bearing on their success.

February 2, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.
limric said...

Quote: ”The government should get out of the welfare business and you limric and your liberal friends should be doing more to meet the needs of those workers.”

Ok Soakya, but whose welfare? Let’s say you make the same amount as Maximus does rolling school children and shaking down old ladies around the side of the 7-11; let’s say $50,000. $4.00 for disaster relief, $6.36 for social welfare, $23.00 for unemployment ins. $37.00 for SNAP (food stamps), $43.78 govt. workers retirement & disability, $235.81 towards YOUR Medicare, $2612.10 for defense and $4000.00 for corporate subsidies.

And you’re pissed at ‘Joe Sixpack'!! Are you sh!tting me? You guys really and truly don’t have clue. And I mean that most sincerely.

February 2, 2014 at 2:50 p.m.
limric said...

That's a 'Red Herring' TOES02800.

Today must be 'Snipe' hunting day?

February 2, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dude, hate the poor? Why would you say that? Seriously. No civil dialogue with you, pal. You're too interested on being edgy and current. Does not serve you well, Bunky.

February 2, 2014 at 2:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainLacrimose... Just reacting to your charge of Wally-hatred. Will try to be duller and less aware in the future.

"I have so much empathy for these young actors that are 19 and all of a sudden they're beautiful and famous and rich. I'm like, Oh my God, I'd be dead." Philip Seymour Hoffman

February 2, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.
soakya said...

sorry limric its you progressive that are clueless and ignorant. you think the needs of the poor can be met by taking money from one group of people sending it to a middle man in Washington but individuals on their will do a worse job than the government. does money suddenly multiply when a bureaucrat gets his hands on it, just the opposite, its shrinks. government has been trying to solve the poverty problem for centuries and it can't be solved. quit moaning and complaining that the poor need to be taken care of and do it yourself.

February 2, 2014 at 3:14 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

dude_. Don't bother on my account.

February 2, 2014 at 3:20 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PT... I bet you've got a Seahawk ball cap.

February 2, 2014 at 3:33 p.m.
limric said...

Your 3:14 post is full of fraudulent assumptions, inaccurate deductions and specious advice.

The ones doing the most (and loudest) moaning & complaining are the RWMJ's. They are THE biggest crybabies in the country. They act, for all practical purposes, like selfish kindergarteners.

Your post completely validates my statement: "You guys really and truly don’t have clue". I stand by it.

February 2, 2014 at 3:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

limric... where would the Doctor be today? Probably holed up with P.S. Hoffman in NYC! In his absence, we can blame Hillary for the tragic loss.

February 2, 2014 at 3:55 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

NEW YORK IS TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS

There’s a new advantage to doing business in New York. A big one. START-UP NY, Governor Cuomo’s groundbreaking initiative, is creating tax-free zones across the state for new and expanding businesses. Now businesses can operate 100% tax-free for 10 years. No business, corporate, state or local taxes, sales and property taxes, or franchise fees.

And this is a Fleabagger state ... Really?

February 2, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"The average pay for full time (40 hrs) a week at walmart is $12.81 per hour with benefits." - degage

This is a highly skewed statistic. That average was arrived at by including store managers, assistant managers, and office executives whose wages and salaries of course raise the "average" tremendously. The fact is that the store associates and various lower-level positions, both part-time and full-time, comprise at least 2/3 of Walmart's workforce, and the vast majority of them make considerably less than $12/hr. Many of them make $9/hr. or less, even after working there for years and with a satisfactory work record.

While it's true that there are opportunities for WM employees to rise within the ranks and become managers, not all workers have the desire or the aptitude to do so. And even if all workers did aspire to be managers, there are only so many management positions available, and the fact remains that those sales associate and other lower level positions still have to be filled.

There is NO justification for paying even the lowest level position anything less than a living wage, sufficient at the very least to keep them out of poverty and from having to resort to government support for subsistence. It is unconscionable for CEOs and other white collar executives to be making millions while paying their lower level workers (without whom the business would never have gotten off the ground in the first place) wages so low that they are still below the poverty line.

February 2, 2014 at 4:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

By MIKE FLYNN

Obama and other supporters of mandated wage hikes spin a Dickensian landscape of millions of workers struggling to raise families on a minimum wage job. This is so separated from reality that it necessitates a look at who these workers actually are.

Myth 1: Hiking wages for those at the lowest rung of the job market will boost the economy.

In 2012, just 1.6 million employees were paid the minimum wage.

Myth 2: Minimum Wage Workers Are Poor

Just over 11% of workers who would gain from an increase live in poor households. Over 63% of the workers who would gain are second or third earners in families making well over the federal poverty line. 43% of workers who would benefit live in households with income over $50,000 a year. The simple truth is that most minimum wage workers are teens, young adults just starting in the labor force and spouses providing a second income to a household.

Myth 3: Minimum Wage Workers Are Supporting a Family

A recent study by Dr. Bradley Schiller, professor emeritus at American University, found that among families where an adult was earning the minimum wage, 94% had a spouse who was also employed, often far above the minimum wage. In almost half of these families, the spouse was earning over $40,000 a year.

Myth 4: A federally mandated wage hike is the only way minimum wage workers get a raise

Nearly two-thirds of all minimum wage earners receive a raise with the first 1-12 months on the job. This is consistent with what we anecdotally know about minimum wage jobs; they are "first jobs."

Myth 5: A mandated wage hike is the best way to improve income for minimum wage workers who are poor

In the 1970s, President Gerald Ford signed into law the Earned Income Tax Credit. The program is based on the negative income tax concept first developed by Milton Friedman.

The benefit of increasing the EITC, rather than a simple minimum wage hike, is that you can concentrate the benefits on those people politicians claim they want to help; low-income, poor workers struggling to raise a family.

If our goal is to help those few workers who are trying to raise a family on the minimum wage, a federally mandated increase may be the worst thing we can do.

February 2, 2014 at 4:37 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"It's a free country. If people aren't happy with their jobs, for any reason, they're free to exercise their right to seek employment elsewhere." - TOES

Sure, they are free to leave any job at any time and for any reason. But the fact is that most people who work at Walmart are there as a last resort, because there weren't, and still aren't, any better or higher paying jobs available. I don't know what it will take to wake you righties up to the hard cold fact that we are still in a deep recession, with very high unemployment. And it's not because people are lazy and want to keep their wages low enough to qualify for Medicaid or food stamps or welfare that people are not working at better jobs; it's because there are VERY FEW decent jobs out there in the first place. Those jobs that disappeared as a result of the Recession of '08 are not coming back, and those "job creators" who theoretically were going to create all those jobs from those tax cuts they received are not creating any jobs.

You want to create more jobs? Pay workers enough money to be able to buy more STUFF. The more STUFF they can buy the more demand will increase, and the more jobs will open up. Economic growth does not come from the top down, it comes from the bottom and the middle, expanding outward as well as upward.

If those at the top and you envious righties who lick their boots don't wake up soon and acknowledge the importance of a healthy and prosperous middle class and how detrimental the income gap is between the top 1-2% and everyone else, you're going to bring the whole capitalist system that you worship so much crashing down (actually, it's probably too late, its demise is inevitable) and some form of real government tyranny will manifest itself, that neither you righties nor us lefties will like, with a fascist system even worse than the corporate-fascist one we have now.

February 2, 2014 at 5:17 p.m.
rick1 said...

Typical leftist propaganda on attacking the salaries and saying it is unconscionable for CEO's to make a lot of money.

You have roo and others showing their hypocrisy over CEO salaries, but you do not hear them saying one word about the salaries of professional athlete's and Hollywood actors or even Al Gore.

Al Gore received $1.3 million to sit on Apple's Board of Directors.

Where the liberal outrage on Al Gore?

According to Forbes Magazine the following are the 2013 salaries for the following:

Walmart's CEO base salary $1.3 million.

NFL and NBA Stars:

Saints QB Drew Brees earned $40. million.

Patriots QB Tom Brady earned 31.3 million.

Lakers star Kobe Bryant earns $23.5 million.

Hollywood actors: Robert Downey Jr. earned $75 million

Channing Tatum: $60 million.

Hugh Jackman: $55 million.

Oprah Winfrey's 2012 salary was $165 million.

Why don't liberals have a problem with pro athletes and Hollywood actors making way more money then CEO's? Shouldn't pro sports and Hollywood pay trainers and cameramen more money since there is such a discrepancy? Isn't this unconscionable?

Or is it alright for pro teams and Hollywood to pay high salaries because these people make money for their organization though stadium and box office ticket sales.

If these pro teams and Hollywood could pay a smaller salary and get the same result don't you think they would? They pay these salaries because there are not that many Brees and Bryant's, and Downy Jr. and if they did not offer a high salaries someone lese would.

The same is true when the board of directors pays a CEO a salary you think is obscene.

February 2, 2014 at 5:43 p.m.
rick1 said...

roo posted "I don't know what it will take to wake you righties up to the hard cold fact that we are still in a deep recession, with very high unemployment."

You need to wake up Al and other lefties on this site who continuously say how great of a job Obama is doing with the economy.

Us so called righties know Obama's economic policies have done nothing but hurt the recovery and ObamaCare is making it even worse.

February 2, 2014 at 5:53 p.m.
limric said...

Ignoratio Elenchi Rick1.

Within the contents of stated fallacy, what are you attempting to defend?

Thus...

Does Mickey the Rats assertion, quote: "before 2009 all was sunshine and flowers" hold true?

February 2, 2014 at 5:55 p.m.
limric said...

HA HA HA

During tonight’s opening kickoff -- running full speed --necktie flailing - from the sidelines is David Wildstein (with his briefcase toting attorney close behind) to the center of the field.

As the kicker swings his foot, Wildstein (just like Lucy) pulls the ball out and the kicker falls on his back and a whistle blows. AAUGH!!

”I WAS DOWN GETTIN A GOD DAMN HOT DOG. I DI–EN SEE NUTHIN!”* New Jersey Governor Christie was heard screaming.

February 2, 2014 at 6:20 p.m.
rick1 said...

limric I believe the market set the wages and as I posted people have a problem with CEO's salaries but not those of the people I listed plus others who make a lot of money.

I feel Obama is a hypocrite when he pays his chef $125,000 a year and his dog handler gets $102,000 per year but talks about income inequality.

I noticed you posted earlier minimum wage should be $10.00 an hour. Where did you come up with that figure? Why not $15.00, $20.00, or $25.00 an hour. or does $10 sound better.

I notice none of the liberal politicians and other liberals never talk about indexing the minimum wage to the median income on a yearly basis. wouldn't that take care of the minimum wage problem?

Of course liberal politicians have no intention of taking care of the minimum wage issue. They would never mention this because they know the minimum wage will cause hyper inflation. They are just playing off the ignorance of the low information voter for votes.

February 2, 2014 at 6:20 p.m.
limric said...

You just can't help yourself can you. Ignoratio Elenchi

The ”minimum wage will cause hyper inflation.” BOGUS

Time for football, Tequila, some weed - and pizza n stuff.

February 2, 2014 at 6:25 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Gee, lady. Ever hear of "high school" and "college" or "vocational school?"

In fairness, Clay's cartoon could have dealt with the fact that Wal-Mart puts countless small businesses out of business every time they open a store in a small town, and they leave a serious gap in the level of service and knowledge (such as when hardware stores close after a Wal-Mart moves in).

So, here's the solution. All liberals and low-income democrats should boycott Wal-Mart and go to Publix and Dillard's instead. Right.

February 2, 2014 at 7:09 p.m.
Ki said...

soakya said... ki, sorry but getting people to pay their fair share of taxes is part of the problem

Yeah, like the words of Leona Hemsley, "Only the poor pay taxes?"

February 2, 2014 at 7:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

OMG. There's that awful Cherios commercial. Said no conservative ever.

February 2, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I'll say it again. Minimum wage increase = higher union prevailing wages = higher union dues = more campaign money for democrats.

There you have it folks. Compassion my ass.

February 2, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.
Ki said...

Why send'em to Publix, pd? see Publix Immigrant tomato pickers.

February 2, 2014 at 7:24 p.m.
degage said...

Rickaroo, You really do listen to the talking points of the unions. The managers at walmart make way more than $12.81. My friends husband is a manager at walmart and he makes a lot more than that, and works many more hours than 40. My question to you is where do you get your info, from the unions Or from the liberal blogs. Do you shop at Walmart? Have you applied or worked at Walmart? Do you know for a fact that they make less than $12.81 per hr for 40 hr week? No you don't , go apply and see, then come back and tell us what you found out.

February 2, 2014 at 7:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

According to rickaroo, it's now Walmart's responsibility to bail out the economy by shoveling money to their employees so they can trickle it on out.

Where in the constitution does it say that private businesses must pay their employees a "living" wage so as to pump up a failing economy?

You want the economy to come soaring back? Try getting most of the government regulations the hell out of the way.

Government regulations have hurt the economy much more than Walmart ever has.

Most success is in spite of government, not because of it.

February 2, 2014 at 7:38 p.m.
alprova said...

The minimum wage since 1938

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/economy/minimum-wage-since-1938/?hpt=hp_t3

It peaked in 1970, when adjusted for inflation.

I've said it for years, and will continue to say it.

This country was never better off than before the Republicans started dominating Washington D.C.

February 2, 2014 at 8:16 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Who was in control of congress(at least the house) before 1995? And for how long?

February 2, 2014 at 8:21 p.m.
degage said...

Toes, democrats and it was for 40 years.

February 2, 2014 at 8:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

This game = The Barack Obama of Super Bowls.

February 2, 2014 at 9:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dick Morris predicting Denver win.

February 2, 2014 at 10:07 p.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Shop Aldi's for your groceries, easily save 33-50% and they pay their employees more than minimum wage. Not surprisingly, the employees hustle. Everyone wins.

February 2, 2014 at 10:30 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Manning chokes on the big one.

February 3, 2014 at 1:06 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hunter's got a point. The sheer laziness and rudeness of Walmart employees is legendary.

Mcdonald's employees can't even get a happy meal order right and they want $15 an hour. They don't deserve a raise.

I once asked for a $350 dollar tv from the back for purchase, the lady rolled her eyes and when she finally came out with it, she literally dropped it to the floor and proceeded to drag it to the service desk. Such a bitch she was. No pay raises for skanks like that.

February 3, 2014 at 1:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

This country was never better off than before the Republicans started dominating Washington D.C.

I will say again a libertarian would be best for the country. Neither your stating a belief or my statement of such makes them true. Do you think republicans dominate D.C. currently? It appears Harry Reid is currently the dominate factor by refusing to bring to a senate vote various proposed legislation. Grid lock may be the best situation we could have.

February 3, 2014 at 4:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

There is something wrong when a person working full time has to receive welfare to obtain food, clothing and shelter. The minimum wage should be sufficient to prevent the need for being subsidized by other tax payers.

February 3, 2014 at 4:38 a.m.
limric said...

I agree Fairmon. Don't forget to call or write your representative and say NO to 'Fast Track' & the TPP.

February 3, 2014 at 6:20 a.m.
wallyworld said...

We have BECOME a Walmart nation. Quanity NOT quality, that the USA's mindset.
Walmart jobs are poverty-level jobs. Walmart’s average sales Associate makes $8.81 per hour, according to IBIS World, an independent market research group. This translates to annual pay of $15,576, based upon Walmart’s full-time status of 34 hours per week. This is significantly below the 2010 Federal Poverty Level of $22,050 for a family of four.

Walmart can afford to pay higher wages. According to a 2011 report (PDF), if Walmart started paying a $12/hour minimum wage, its workers currently earning less than $9 per hour could each earn $3,250 to $6,500 more per year before taxes. If Walmart were to pass this cost directly to shoppers, the average consumer would need to pay only 46 cents more per shopping trip, or $12.50 per year.

In 2010, Walmart CEO Mike Duke received $18.7 million in total compensation, or 1,201 times the annual income of the average Walmart sale Associate.

Walmart’s entry into a market depressed wages, displacing better-paying retail jobs. A 2005 study found that Walmart’s entry into a metropolitan area eliminates similar jobs that pay about 18% more than Walmart. In those areas, the total average earnings of retail workers fell by 0.5 to 0.8%. We'll be competing with Vietnamese wages of $1.00 a day if we keep paying homage to the greedy corporations in this country. It's your call, you're the ones who vote these takers into office.

February 3, 2014 at 7:09 a.m.
rick1 said...

fairmon, do you really believe the politicians in Washington would stop handing out entitlements if the minimum wage is raised? No they would just raise the limit on the poverty level.

You said yesterday the minimum wage should be $12.00 an hour? Does that hourly wage match the skill set of a high school kid who is working as a dishwasher or flipping hamburgers or bagging groceries.

Politicians only use minimum wage as a political tool to obtain the votes of the low information voters.

Minimum wage should be market based and without any involvement of the government. If an employer is going to pay low wages he will lose his/her good employees to a company that pays a better wage.

People need to take responsibility as well. There are a lot of people who have chosen not to apply themselves in life and work minimum wage jobs knowing they will always be taken by the government.

Then there are those who have taken responsibility and initiative to learn a skill so they can work themselves out of the minimum wage job.

February 3, 2014 at 7:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

rick1 said...do you really believe the politicians in Washington would stop handing out entitlements if the minimum wage is raised? No they would just raise the limit on the poverty level.

The poverty level is not an arbitrary number set by politicians, it is based on the cost of living without luxuries or frivolous spending.

rick1 said...People need to take responsibility as well. There are a lot of people who have chosen not to apply themselves in life and work minimum wage jobs knowing they will always be taken by the government.

Many if not most of those working those jobs don't have the ability to do more and many would not know the assistance available to them if not coached and advised by someone else which is often welfare workers recruiting them or their employer.

rick1 said.... Then there are those who have taken responsibility and initiative to learn a skill so they can work themselves out of the minimum wage job.

Those that have the ability and initiative will still do that. Government welfare workers would not like to see the welfare roles reduced and would seek every way possible to assure they continue to be needed.

I am typically a fiscal conservative and social liberal which some consider libertarian. However, in this case I can see some value in a higher minimum wage beyond the political proposal which would essentially keep the number on welfare constant.

Some potential consequences would be:

o Other wage levels would increase proportionally causing inflation and increase tax revenue.

o The reduction in government employees could be significant.

o The increased purchasing power of those in the lower paying jobs would increase demand and jobs in higher paid jobs.

o The need for subsidized housing would be reduced.

A concern would be the ability of those at the minimum wage level being able to manage their finances and avoiding loan shark vultures like pay day lenders, check into cash etc. That is an issue that needs to be addressed and was not included in the Dodds Frank bill. Also, buy here pay here auto dealers, rent to own and other opportunist feeding off the poor by charging exorbitant interest rates up to 21% or more including various fees.

February 3, 2014 at 8:22 a.m.
Maximus said...

The average middle class working Americn pays 31% in federal income taxes. If it weren't for the Republican Congress we would be paying more. If you do not feel that we are Taxed Enough Already then you are either a welfare moocher Obamer voter, a disability scamer, a hobo, or just an idiot!

Go out and make it a great day! Remember, you 4 more months to work in our to pay your Federal Taxes, then you get to keep the rest of your hard earned money. Are you a Republican yet?

February 3, 2014 at 8:48 a.m.
Maximus said...

FairMon your assumptions are stupid. A raise in the minimum wage would be do nothing more than increase unemployment. And......you cannot be a fical conservative and a social liberal. This is our primary issue in the Republican party. An example....you cannot be a fiscal conservative and support the carbon tax scam of global warming. Being a social liberal is primarily based on good intentions with no financial oversight or follow through......I.e. Obamacare.

February 3, 2014 at 8:57 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Degage, you might want to take a refresher course in grammar school math and learn how "averages" are determined. Of course I know that managers at Walmart make more than $12.81/hr. But you were talking about the "average pay" of all employees and so was I. To get an average of something you add the total and divide it by its parts - in this case the total amount of wages divided by the number of employees. That gives you the AVERAGE PAY for employees at Walmart. But that statistic is meaningless because it accounts for the much higher wages and salaries of managers and business executives, and their much higher pay rounds up the overall average. In his post Wallyworld talks about the pay of the "average sales associate" and the wage the he quotes is more in line with what that average sales associate and other lower level worker makes. The vast majority of Walmart employees are sales associates and other low-level employees who are stuck in those low-paying positions (7.25 - 9./hr.). And while some of those will go on to become managers most of them won't, either because they don't want to be managers or they are simply not suited for managerial positions. But if they are otherwise good employees they deserve to make enough money to at least eke out a living without having to resort to government benefits.

I have known personally several people, including a cousin of mine, who work or have worked at Walmart, and every one of them had been there anywhere from 2 - 6 years. Not one of them made above $8.75/hr., even the one who had been there 6 years.

February 3, 2014 at 9:39 a.m.
fairmon said...

Maximus..Obamacare is not being a social liberal but the opposite of what a libertarian supports. A social liberal means government not deciding or dictating peoples socially acceptable behavior. Smaller government, less spending and states rights.

A raise in the minimum wage would not increase unemployment, it would increase the cost of the goods or services provided by those paying minimum wages. It would cause a blip in inflation.

February 3, 2014 at 9:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo said...

you were talking about the "average pay" of all employees and so was I. To get an average of something you add the total and divide it by its parts -

In those cases the average should be a weighted average. The rate times the number at that rate then total the results and divide the two totals to get a true average rate for the store. The small number at the high rates would barely move the needle.

February 3, 2014 at 9:48 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Walmart is surely the debil. Let's move on.

February 3, 2014 at 10:07 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Regardless, fairmon, degage's "average" is skewed and does not reflect the actual wages of sales associates and other lower level workers. And it is they who comprise anywhere from half to 2/3 of Walmart's employees.

February 3, 2014 at 10:13 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Roo! What are you doing wasting time here?? You could be out feeding the poor.

February 3, 2014 at 10:20 a.m.
alprova said...

rocl1 wrote: "You said yesterday the minimum wage should be $12.00 an hour? Does that hourly wage match the skill set of a high school kid who is working as a dishwasher or flipping hamburgers or bagging groceries."

If it were only high school kids working in fast food joints, you might have a point, but look around the next time you pop into one.

Retirees are working in many of them to make ends meet.

I see more and more 50 year olds working fast food than I do kids.

Another point that needs to be raised in conjunction with YOUR point is that I personally don't feel a loaf of bread is worth three bucks, but I've got to pay it if I want a loaf of bread.

Paying people a working wage tends to keep a steady, happy and productive work force, and such a workforce tends to represent a company well.

When a customer comes in and sees new faces all the time, who deals with mistakes in one's order all the time, is going to go elsewhere.

Companies that pay better make more money because they keep customers far more content and wanting to return.

It's called forethought and looking at the larger picture.

People who only care about immediate or short-term profits, are far less likely to remain in business for very long.

As much as I hate to use them as an example, Chick-Fil-A is a company that sets their standards high, and they pay their people for meeting those standards.

Imagine what could be accomplished if standards were raised across the board and if people were paid to represent a business.

You get what you pay for, and that is no different when it comes to the people you hire to represent your business.

February 3, 2014 at 10:56 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Hey Roo! What are you doing wasting time here?? You could be out feeding the poor."

If one's dedication to assisting anyone in need were measured by the amount of time spent in this forum on a daily, weekly, or yearly basis, it would be easy to make a case that you have not an ounce of concern for anyone but yourself.

I'm sure you treasure your meals on wheels and are loathe to share them with anyone.

February 3, 2014 at 11:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Actually Alpo, I do some charity work with a Food Bank. What do you do? Other than rip off unsuspecting buyers and nurse your wounds via the public dole.

February 3, 2014 at 11:10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo mutters "As much as I hate to use them as an example, Chick-Fil-A is a company that sets their standards high, and they pay their people for meeting those standards." Why do you hate to use them as an example, Alpy?" Hmmm?

February 3, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.
soakya said...

employers don't base wages paid to their employees based on the workers age. a wannabe cpa should know this.

I swear I used to think liberals were just ignorant but the more I read post from the likes of alprova and rickyroo with his just buy more stuff to make everything better I am beginning to believe they are just plain stupid.

February 3, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^Soak, liberalism is an emotion based practice. They say and do things that make them feeeeeeel better about themselves. Driven by white guilt. The bane of good race relations. (not to mention it attracts minority voters)

February 3, 2014 at 12:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

"The formidable campaign apparatus that has sprung up to support a possible 2016 presidential bid by Hillary Clinton is rattling some Democrats, sparking concerns that it could suppress competition for the party nomination and siphon money from candidates running in the midterm elections this fall." The Dems shouldn't be surprised at anything done by this ghoul.

February 3, 2014 at 12:38 p.m.
Maximus said...

Fairmon, you must be a doper/pothead. Most social liberals are pro pot. It is going to be interesting to see how auto and work place/industrial accidents increase in those states that have approved pot. Since THC remains in your system for 4 to 6 weeks after using pot there is going to be a lot of carnage on the worksite and the highways. Imagine a dude driving an 18 wheeler or running a high speed saw in a sawmill that has been stoned all weekend! Insurance rates are going to skyrocket in those states. Bottom line....do we really need another legalized way to escape reality and shirk responsibility. Like the daily ration of vodka in the old USSR legalizing pot is just another way big government can dumb down the masses, tax them, control them and keep the ruling class in power and luxury. Why do you think Barry The Welfare Pimp Stoner basically has given federal approval of recreational use of pot? Pot creates more losers with low motivation and a desire to party away their lives while guvment takes care of them. The Chinese used opium, the Germans beer, the French wine, the Russians vodka, and soon America pot..

February 3, 2014 at 12:39 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Actually Alpo, I do some charity work with a Food Bank."

When? You're in here 16 hours a day, every day of the week.

"What do you do?"

That's between myself and God. I never brag or claim on a tax return, that which I do for others.

"Other than rip off unsuspecting buyers and nurse your wounds via the public dole."

That would be funny, if it were not for the fact that you are on the very same dole, and Sir, my company has not one complaint online from a disgruntled customer, and I work feverishly to keep it that way.

February 3, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "employers don't base wages paid to their employees based on the workers age. a wannabe cpa should know this."

It's clear that the point being made sure went straight over your head, didn't it?

Maybe someone will be so kind to explain it to you.

"I swear I used to think liberals were just ignorant but the more I read post from the likes of alprova and rickyroo with his just buy more stuff to make everything better I am beginning to believe they are just plain stupid."

Oh me oh my. I'll cry for the rest of my life because you called me stupid.

I do so believe in Karma, and I would truly hate to be in your place. One day soon, you're going to find out what happens to people who are only concerned with their own circumstance in life.

Your day's a'comin'

February 3, 2014 at 1:02 p.m.
yddem said...

maxipus said "The average middle class working Americn pays 31% in federal income taxes. If it weren't for the Republican Congress we would be paying more."

The effective federal income tax rate for your group is about 5%.

Now you are a member of the working middle class, rather than a business owner and successful investor.

You couldn't lie straight in bed.

February 3, 2014 at 1:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo barfs "When? You're in here 16 hours a day, every day of the week." Alpy has never heard of an iPad. Alps, get you big pointed Luddite head out of your booty. Most of my posts are not from home. Not everyone is tied to a 10 year old Acer.

February 3, 2014 at 1:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo, do you kick puppies? You put the ass in compassion.

February 3, 2014 at 1:28 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY AL, ya ever think that maybe "Karma" or "Fate " is kickin you in the ASS lately?IF there is a "GOD" he might be tryin to get your attn.

February 3, 2014 at 1:51 p.m.
soakya said...

I do so believe in Karma-alprova

just might explain your circumstances

February 3, 2014 at 1:53 p.m.
Maximus said...

Yddem.....I pay more taxes in a year than you can ever dream about earning in three years much less one. You must be a regular pot smoker too! Wow man....Obama is great dude.....I can fake being disabled get a check and an EBT card too! Wow man....legalize hemp now....wow man......Zzzzzzzzz.

February 3, 2014 at 2:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ serial liar. Alpo-like.

February 3, 2014 at 2:26 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, in reference to your post at 10:56am you have given examples of why the market and not the government should set wages. If a customer frequents a business and there is always a new face behind the counter who is not giving good service the customer will take their business else where. If a company does not keep up with the market average on wages they will lose their good employees and either the business will pay the market rate or they will continue to lose employees and customers and go out of business.

The federal govrnment has no business mandating minimum wage on private businesses.

In regards to prices of bread (and other products) increasing, you can thank Washington DC for that. The printing of more and more money causes inflation, taking corn and making ethonel increases food prices, and the list goes on.

The government causes the economic problems incluidng inflation we are experencing and then we have people who want to believe these same people are not going to fix these very same problems.

I agree with soakya there are some people who are just plain stupid.

February 3, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.
yddem said...

maxipus said "Yddem.....I pay more taxes in a year than you can ever dream about earning in three years much less one." Sure, pus, you keep smoking your crack, claiming to be a rich businessman on more than one occasion, paying mega taxes, and today saying you're part of the middle class, talking smack about income taxes which you know nothing about and demonstrating your ignorance. Whatamaroon.

February 3, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Billy lying to cover for Hilly's lies.

What a bunch of crooked MFers.

February 3, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Who do you carbon tax for this?

Tungurahua volcano erupts in Ecuador

Or is it Bush's fault as well?

February 3, 2014 at 2:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

maxipus said "The average middle class working Americn pays 31% in federal income taxes. If it weren't for the Republican Congress we would be paying more."

The effective federal income tax rate for your group is about 5%.

Now you are a member of the working middle class, rather than a business owner and successful investor.

You couldn't lie straight in bed.

Guess you’ve never heard the term “Editorial We” ... Right?

February 3, 2014 at 2:54 p.m.
yddem said...

jt, when you speak, it's the royal "we", but for pus, it was Freudian.

February 3, 2014 at 2:56 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

All you people who think that raising wages by requiring small business to pay more should go out, go into business, and try to make a living at it.

Then come back and complain about writing paychecks for other people out of your personal bank account, and about the fact that you work for the first three years or so without paying yourself. That's what most people who go into business have to do.

The guys and gals making the minimum wage will just move on to something else when all your money is gone.

February 3, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

pdog: You should have been an English major like some of the mopes on here. Then you could have felt goooood bashing bidness owners.

February 3, 2014 at 3:41 p.m.
Maximus said...

Just weeding out the fiscal conservative, social liberal dopers on this thread. Every one of them I know does not go to church, thinks abortion is A OK, and smokes weed. It's time we get the turds out of the Republican party. Like NOW man instead of WOW man!

I can tell ya folks, even the one percenters like me are tired of paying high taxes and if you think the average income earner making say $40 to $50 K is paying just 5% to the Feds, then you are smoking dat wacky weed!

February 3, 2014 at 4:03 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Most social liberals are pro pot."

Most conservatives are pro-cocaine.

February 3, 2014 at 4:05 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Another lie by Maxipad. A "one percenter" is not paying any higher tax than someone from the middle class. You fit in with the one-percenters about as well as Con-Man would fit in at Alan Gold's.

February 3, 2014 at 4:13 p.m.
yddem said...

I probably misspoke, pus, it's more likely you're on meth.

"In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/income-tax-47-of-american_n_529059.html

That's right, pus, 0%. You forgot about the The Disciple's 47% Solution.

A more recent study: "Income taxes: A family of four in the exact middle of the income spectrum will pay only 5.3 percent of its 2013 income in federal income taxes next year, according to a new analysis by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center (TPC). http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3151

February 3, 2014 at 4:23 p.m.
Maximus said...

Yddem and Gaus....if you want to pay more in taxes to the Feds go ahead and write them a check! I am sure that is not possible with you too since you probably both collect the Barry The Welfare Pimp special low expectations in life program, the low income tax credit! Yes, let's reward low achievement with a tax credit.........peeeeeeerfect. And I havn't even mentioned how much the guvment is taking out of your check for in the words of Mr. Haggard.......so called social security! A Ponzi scheme only the guvment could get away with without going to jail!

February 3, 2014 at 5:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

A "one percenter" is not paying any higher tax than someone from the middle class.

yddem said...

"In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/income-tax-47-of-american_n_529059.html

That's right, pus, 0%. You forgot about the The Disciple's 47% Solution.

A more recent study: "Income taxes: A family of four in the exact middle of the income spectrum will pay only 5.3 percent of its 2013 income in federal income taxes next year, according to a new analysis by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center

(TPC).http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3151

You guys work it out among yourselves and get back to us ... O.K. ?

February 3, 2014 at 5:18 p.m.
yddem said...

You "work it out," jt.

yddem said... "In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/income-tax-47-of-american_n_529059.html That's right, pus, 0%. You forgot about the The Disciple's 47% Solution. A more recent study: "Income taxes: A family of four in the exact middle of the income spectrum will pay only 5.3 percent of its 2013 income in federal income taxes next year, according to a new analysis by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center (TPC).http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3151

February 3, 2014 at 5:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

today saying you're part of the middle class. Whatamaroon.

At initial viewing you appear to be too smart by half but actually after someone becomes familiar you're really just half a^^ed ... Whatamacaroon .... LMFAO!!

February 3, 2014 at 5:30 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

But yddem it's GaussianInteger that is countering your point so "logically" you should take that up with him ....O.K.!

"Logical ... of or according to the rules of logic or formal argument."

February 3, 2014 at 5:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

jt, when you speak, it's the royal "we", but for pus, it was Freudian.

We do wear the crown of "Nobel Merit" with a certain degree of great humility and due diligence for the truth. You on the other had just wear your hat with .... a “load”.... Your turn.

February 3, 2014 at 5:37 p.m.
yddem said...

Keep laughing, jt, you have a long way to go before you laugh off your Fat A$$.

It is fitting that you align yourself with pus.

February 3, 2014 at 5:39 p.m.
yddem said...

No, jt, you misunderstood. You are the Queen. Dumb A$$.

February 3, 2014 at 5:40 p.m.
yddem said...

No, jt, I let you take up for others, like your pal pus.

February 3, 2014 at 5:42 p.m.
yddem said...

On January 3, 2014 at 7:41 a.m. maximus said ". . . I am a bad ass Republican nigga just like former Republican Congressman Col. Allen West." And a 1%er to boot!

Aren't you proud of your buddy, jt? Not only in the way he refers to himself but also to someone who is a "hero" to him?

February 3, 2014 at 5:52 p.m.
Maximus said...

Yddem....like most welfare moocher disability scamer low income subsidy Barry The Income Equalizer Welfare Pimp supporters you have way, way, too much time on your hands. I guess you have trouble getting your arms around the fact that most Americans are paying way over 30% in federal taxes because you have never made much income higher thn the poverty level. Now go smoke your Dope like Obama wants you to. Just don't do it in your Moms basement where you live. Lol! By the way.....nigga....is an expression commonly used in my world as a black man. We use it in our rap music and as an expression of love and brotherhood. Yo!

February 3, 2014 at 6:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yadem ... from your link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/income-tax-47-of-american_n_529059.html

Less noticed were tax cuts for low- and middle-income families, which were expanded when Obama signed the massive economic recovery package last year.

The result is a tax system that exempts almost half the country from paying for programs that benefit everyone, including national defense, public safety, infrastructure and education. It is a system in which the top 10 percent of earners – households making an average of $366,400 in 2006 – paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government.

The bottom 40 percent, on average, make a profit from the federal income tax, meaning they get more money in tax credits than they would otherwise owe in taxes. For those people, the government sends them a payment.

"We have 50 percent of people who are getting something for nothing," said Curtis Dubay, senior tax policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

When I first read this I thought “no way this was written by someone at the Puffington Host. These are exactly the points made by Conservatives.” And yes it was written under a AP byline. A miracle it ever made the H.P. but maybe the facts are overtaking them.

February 3, 2014 at 6:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Thought you'd heard it all? Joan Walsh, Salon.com, (far left site) says O'Reilly's interview with His Highness was borderline racist. mind boggling

February 3, 2014 at 6:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

On January 3, 2014 at 7:41 a.m. maximus said ". . . I am a bad ass Republican nigga just like former Republican Congressman Col. Allen West." And a 1%er to boot!

Aren't you proud of your buddy, jt? Not only in the way he refers to himself but also to someone who is a "hero" to him?

Your problem is that you are too obtuse to realize what his game is, while most of us LOFAO at you Fleabaggers getting your panties in a wad trying to counter him and the same with Conman. Haven’t you notice how little I respond to you Fleabaggers when you go on one of your batsh!t crazy name calling rhetorical rants?

Maximus needs no defending as he realizes what is going down and after all it is your chain I’m shaking.

BTW ... Mr. West knew what he was doing was wrong, by the rules, but his loyalty to his men overrode that and he was willing to risk his career and take his punishment like the stand-up man he is. He is the type you would want to be in charge if your safety was on the line. I’ve got no problem, at all, with his choice of actions both before and after the event.

February 3, 2014 at 6:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

PlainTruth said...

Thought you'd heard it all? Joan Walsh, Salon.com, (far left site) says O'Reilly's interview with His Highness was borderline racist. mind boggling

What else do the Fleabaggers have to attempt a defense of Obama's absolutely disastrous “rule”. Their tank is empty but then it was never more than damp at the most.

February 3, 2014 at 6:51 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo barfs "When? You're in here 16 hours a day, every day of the week." Alpy has never heard of an iPad."

Of course I've heard of an Ipad, but I don't believe for one second that you use one. You CLEARLY live online. Your life is wrapped around your time split between this forum and Twitter.

"Alps, get you big pointed Luddite head out of your booty. Most of my posts are not from home. Not everyone is tied to a 10 year old Acer."

Hey...you can claim anything you wish. Just don't think everyone believes it. No one, and I do mean no one, is so tied to this forum, that they feel the need to devote as much time as you do per day, per week, per month, and per year.

You're a hopeless troll.

February 3, 2014 at 7:07 p.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "I do so believe in Karma-alprova. just might explain your circumstances"

What circumstance might that be? I'm just fine and very proud of the person I have become.

Do you think an amputation would begin to kill my spirit?

They are in the process of making me a new leg. I will walk again and do everything I have always been able to do.

I once was fat as a hog. I lost weight.

Some of you folks believe that I am on the wrong side of things.

So be it. I once WAS on the wrong side of things. I woke up.

I amended my spirit to become this better person.

Maybe one day some of you will too.

February 3, 2014 at 7:13 p.m.
alprova said...

"In regards to prices of bread (and other products) increasing, you can thank Washington DC for that. The printing of more and more money causes inflation, taking corn and making ethonel increases food prices, and the list goes on."

If that were remotely true, then inflation would be somewhere near 20%, and as we all know, inflation has been near zero for most of the last decade.

Printing of money only affects International exchanges of money, and I personally couldn't care less about that. I selfishly deal strictly in America all the way.

I make no investments outside of this nation, so let them print a hundred trillion for all I care. A dollar in the states is worth just as much as it always has been.

Spare me the Republican spawned crap about how the printing of money causes inflation, because that is only true when dealing with purchases made outside these borders.

February 3, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo. Was it something I said?

February 3, 2014 at 7:34 p.m.
soakya said...

See what I mean about stupidity just check out alprovas latest post. and this from a so called cpa who should understand just a little about business and economics. did someone drop you on your head as a child.

February 3, 2014 at 7:37 p.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Those of us who think people should NOT be discriminated against because of race, color, country of origin, religious belief or sexual orientation "hate" to cite Chik-Fil-A as an example of good pay for good work because their leadership has expressed their belief that homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us. From that belief, it's not hard to be suspicious that CFA might also hold anything against you that doesn't fit "their" religion such as gender or religious belief. Otherwise, I'm fine with CFA, they put on a nice bowl game every year. Snaps to PT for doing "charity" work. If you felt more positive about the experience you might want to describe it as "service to others' similar to that of Christ if he's your man or "paying it forward" if you want to keep it neutral. Shhhsssh, don't say this loudly or con-man will be on us like his diaper.

February 3, 2014 at 7:42 p.m.
alprova said...

prairie_dog wrote: "All you people who think that raising wages by requiring small business to pay more should go out, go into business, and try to make a living at it."

I agree with that. Everyone should go into business.

"Then come back and complain about writing paychecks for other people out of your personal bank account, and about the fact that you work for the first three years or so without paying yourself. That's what most people who go into business have to do."

Huh? I know of no one alive who has went into business, wrote paychecks out for three years and has had nothing left over for themselves.

I do suggest that anyone who has went three years in business without making a dime for themselves, is in the wrong business.

"The guys and gals making the minimum wage will just move on to something else when all your money is gone."

I really hate to belabor a point, but if someone opens a business and for whatever reason on this entire Earth, fails to make a cent in profit for three years, is not much of a business person.

I'd love to dissect any reasons you can name, but since you didn't raise any reasons for not making any profit for three years, it's got to be crap from start to finish.

And here's another thing: Any business that cannot afford to pay a living wage to all it's workers, is already on it's last legs.

I've owned several businesses and each and every one of them made good money, which I shared with those who worked for me. I traded stability and production by paying my people well for the need to have someone on staff to hire people all the time to replace disgruntled workers all the time.

I know for a fact that I have made far more over the years through the paying of good wages to keep the best people on my workforce.

Does anyone have any idea what the turnover rates are for minimum wage jobs? Try 75%-80%.

Businesses that continuously hire up to 80% of their staff each and every year, might as well leave their doors and windows open on an ice-cold day and run the heat wide open, for they are throwing money away.

February 3, 2014 at 7:42 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo. Was it something I said?"

I've never been in any position to HEAR a word come from your mouth.

February 3, 2014 at 7:47 p.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Maxette is hung up on weed/dope today the way the con-boy hang fires on homo as a topic.

February 3, 2014 at 7:52 p.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "See what I mean about stupidity just check out alprovas latest post. and this from a so called cpa who should understand just a little about business and economics. did someone drop you on your head as a child."

Nope, but if you are so convinced of you intellectual superiority when it comes to business and the economy, by all means, take a stab at explaining to me, as if I were a child, how printing money affects so much as one American, who does not engage in exchanging funds on any international level.

The gold standard was abandoned a long time ago. Money is no longer tied to any realized form of wealth. A dollar is worth a dollar, except when it is exchanged for another currency, depending on the worth of that currency, as may be determined by markets outside of this nation.

Feel free to swallow any amount of Republican spawned tripe that makes you shake in your boots.

I'll be watching from the sidelines, laughing my ass off, counting my American printed dollars, n my American built home, located right here in America.

February 3, 2014 at 7:56 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

degage said...

The average pay for full time (40 hrs) a week at walmart is $12.81 per hour with benefits.

Rickaroo said...

Degage, you might want to take a refresher course in grammar school math and learn how "averages" are determined.

But that statistic is meaningless because it accounts for the much higher wages and salaries of managers and business executives, and their much higher pay rounds up the overall average.

As usual it is you who's full of “it”. The $12.81 is an average “hourly wage” and salaried workers, which are assistant managers and above, are not included. So how does that averaging deal work again?

In his post Wallyworld talks about the pay of the "average sales associate" and the wage the he quotes is more in line with what that average sales associate and other lower level worker makes. The vast majority of Walmart employees are sales associates and other low-level employees who are stuck in those low-paying positions (7.25 - 9./hr.).

Well then ... Wally is just as full of “it” as you.

I have known personally several people, including a cousin of mine, who work or have worked at Walmart, and every one of them had been there anywhere from 2 - 6 years. Not one of them made above $8.75/hr., even the one who had been there 6 years.

Since the average is $12.81 you seem to be flocking with birds of a feather.

February 3, 2014 at 7:59 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Jt, I think you need to amend your definition of middle class. What about the family that makes 75,000 and has no kids; no mortgage? Middle class has no implications towards number of family members.

February 3, 2014 at 8:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"A member of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's security detail has been suspended after he was charged with shoplifting in Pennsylvania, according to police and court records — and he reportedly asked officers to go easy on him because of his job.

According to the arrest affidavit, Carvounis was recorded on surveillance video filling a shopping basket as he walked around the store, stopping from time to time to rip open the packaging of some items, which he then stuffed in the roomy pockets of his cargo pants.

To cover his tracks, Carvounis allegedly went through the checkout line and paid for some items, according to the affidavit. But when he was stopped by police, he had eight other items in his pockets — including handgun grips and a magazine for a Kimber .22-caliber pistol. He tried to sneak a ninth item out on his head: a Cabela's hat from which he'd ripped off the tag, the affidavit said."

Christ on a bobsled, will the fun never end?

February 3, 2014 at 8:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

Jt, I think you need to amend your definition of middle class. What about the family that makes 75,000 and has no kids; no mortgage? Middle class has no implications towards number of family members.

Since I provided no such definition I can only say ... Suck It Loser!!

February 3, 2014 at 10:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Nope, but if you are so convinced of you intellectual superiority when it comes to business and the economy, by all means, take a stab at explaining to me, as if I were a child, how printing money affects so much as one American, who does not engage in exchanging funds on any international level.

The gold standard was abandoned a long time ago. Money is no longer tied to any realized form of wealth. A dollar is worth a dollar, except when it is exchanged for another currency, depending on the worth of that currency, as may be determined by markets outside of this nation.

Feel free to swallow any amount of Republican spawned tripe that makes you shake in your boots.

I'll be watching from the sidelines, laughing my ass off, counting my American printed dollars, n my American built home, located right here in America.

Well for the child that you are mentally here is a rather whimsical treatment.

Let's say you live on an island where everyone loves candy. However, there's a limited supply of candy on the island, so when people trade candy for other items, the price is fairly stable. Over time, you save up 50 pounds of candy, which you can trade for a new car. Then, one day, a ship hits some rocks near the island, and its cargo of candy washes ashore. Suddenly, 30 tons of candy are lying on the beach, and anyone who wants candy can just walk to the beach and get some. Because the candy supply is far greater than the demand, your 50 pounds of candy is all but worthless.

By Ed Grabianowski

BTW if you buy anything that contains any materials from outside the U.S. you are in fact “exchanging funds on (an) international level”

February 3, 2014 at 11:33 p.m.
soakya said...

Increasing the money supply without a corresponding increase in production equals inflation. more money chasing the same goods. as I said before you and rickyroo with his just "buy more stuff" have got to be the 2 stupidest progressives that have the nerve to type your nonsense.

February 3, 2014 at 11:48 p.m.
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