published Friday, February 14th, 2014

The Snowstorm

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Oh, like bill De Blasio, the left Dem., who ignored certain neighborhoods that didn't support him. Dems are notorius for this kind of stuff. More projection on the part of liberal. Like Obama exempting those that donated to him from BO care?

February 14, 2014 at 12:13 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

HERE WE GO AGAIN

Hey Zab, how about some cheese with your whine?

February 14, 2014 at 12:16 a.m.

"Those self-serving meanies!!!" moaned the gullible masses.

February 14, 2014 at 12:28 a.m.
soakya said...

what a perfect image that represents the progressive and the conservative. the conservative prepared and took care of himself while the progressive is still waiting on government to dig his dumba$$ out of the snow. those snow covered house's would belong to roo, alprova, clay, sue, and every other progressive on this forum and they would be screaming Bush didn't do enough to get their fat butt out in time to collect their welfare benefits. then they would criticize the conservative for actually taking care of his own property and family while they were trapped. great job clay.

February 14, 2014 at 12:41 a.m.

Soakya. Very good.

February 14, 2014 at 12:46 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

PAY ATTENTION

Soakya completely missed the point of the cartoon. He said 'what a perfect image that represents the progressive and the conservative.'

No it isn't.

How exactly was the conservative able to prevent the snow from falling on his property? Do you think a bloated republican would ever risk a blister to dig out his own driveway? Think he installed heating strips in the ground to melt all the snow? Now THAT'S adorable!

You think working people have time to wait for help? Most families need more than one income just to survive.

You do know the cartoon is called, 'If Mother Nature were a Republican?'

February 14, 2014 at 1:38 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Here's an idea. the next time you libs see someone you assume has less than you, give them the proper proportion of YOUR assets so you can...you know...solve that inequality issue there. If you have three cars, and you neighbor has only one, why not give him one of yours? After all it's just not fair that he has only one when you have two.

Hell, if you lefties REALLY cared about inequality, you'd be doing something about it with or without taxpayer dollars and the blessing of government.

But like all liberals, you're more than happy to allocate other people's money to make you feel warm and fuzzy about yourselves.

Maybe you'd have more street cred if you'd put YOUR money where your mouths are.

February 14, 2014 at 4:34 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

And I find it ironic that a liberal global warming crybaby could use an unusual snow event in the south to bash republicans.

Keep smokin' that crack clay!

February 14, 2014 at 4:54 a.m.
soakya said...

good point toes. that's the problem with progressives they never put their money where their mouth is. they love to put others money where their mouth is.

If I woke up one morning and every house but one was covered in 4 feet of snow, and that one house was in the middle of the neighborhood, I believe I would start believing in something besides "mother nature." not the progressive, he would be cursing "mother nature," his neighbor and anyone else he could blame, of course he would never examine himself. he would try to turn his neighbor and "mother nature" into either a civil rights violator, a homophobe or a woman hater. but maybe "mother nature" is simply trying to tell you progressives something.

February 14, 2014 at 6:02 a.m.
dude_abides said...

It's a Grand Old Day on Fantasy Island.

February 14, 2014 at 7:19 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

You attitude is as important as your money, if not more so.

February 14, 2014 at 8 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"but maybe "mother nature" is simply trying to tell you progressives something."

What's that Soakya? Is it your perception that God wants everyone to be a republican?

February 14, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

TOES, the issue is how our goverment promotes a system that is both fair to all its citizens and benefits the nation as a whole. I could say that if you cry about high taxes why not move to countries with low taxes. Russia, India, or Mexico perhaps?

Oh, but then you would miss out on all the benefits of our country that our taxes pay for, right? You would miss out on a system that attempts to benefit all its citizens and by doing so has made us the greatest country in the world.

Mexico is not that far and apparently meets your philosophy. Low taxes, cheap labor, little or no meddlesome social programs, no wealth distribution, etc.

So quit yer bellyaching and get to packing.

February 14, 2014 at 8:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Seems to me Toon-boy is at the bottom of his creative barrel. Just mailing them in, or so it seems.

February 14, 2014 at 9:55 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

PT - and yet you continue to return.

February 14, 2014 at 10:39 a.m.
Maximus said...

Backwater....1:38 AM posting trashing Americans. The dude definitely has no job, friends, and he most definitely won't be buying flowers for a girlfriend today. As the Beatles tune goes....."All the lonely people.....where do they all come from....".

The cartoon itself is silly. I thought Clay the hick from Bama would get a little creative with V day. Most likely Bennett will not be taking his life partner out to dinner tonight because Valentines Day is too capitalistic. Lol!

All you liberals at least use your EBT Cards today to buy your honey some flowers that of course includes gay guys like Gaus, the Dude, and Rickaroo! Happy! Happy!

February 14, 2014 at 10:41 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

diggity, it's not the toons that keep me coming back. It's whacked out morons like you. The entertainment value is priceless.

February 14, 2014 at 10:46 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Plugs Biden recently: Vice President Joe Biden told fellow Democrats they should be optimistic about the state of the nation, “in spite of who’s president.” - Plugs just keeps on giving. lmao

February 14, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.
caddy said...

Got it. A heaping dose of Egalitarianism. Look up the % of NFL & NBA Players who are Black. Clay is a bumbling fool. This is one example of scores that can be made that People are different. Clay would have us give all the kids a trophy and redistribute Snow & $$ from all those have nots. The age old argument never ends with Progressives. Their logic is utterly foolish.

February 14, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.
caddy said...

Progressives are Sheep and Clay is their chief Sheep.

February 14, 2014 at 11:18 a.m.
alprova said...

It's time that Republican cheerleaders heard some bitter truth.

For as much as you people bitch, whine, and moan about welfare, food stamps, and other social programs, the fact is that the Republicans contribute to the need for such every single day.

Aren't you the ones who purport that Republicans for the most part, are the ones offering jobs? Sure you are.

Much has been offered about the issue of raising the minimum wage. Republicans are totally against it. Why is that?

Could it be because they like spending other people's money to support the poor, rather than to pull the money out of their own pockets and pay a living wage? Of course it is.

A study was done regarding Wal-Mart. A raise in prices across the board of 1.2% would allow every single worker at Wal-Mart to make a minimum of $12.00 an hour, and keep the profits where they are.

This crap blaming Democrats for spending taxpayer dollars is a farce. The Republicans are far more responsible for any increase in spending for social welfare and they know it.

Look for this very same argument to permeate campaign speeches from Democrats later this year.

February 14, 2014 at 11:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ see my 10:46 post.

February 14, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.
soakya said...

Mr. wannabe cpa I'm blaming both parties. Your party the progressives and the republicans who are nothing more than progressives with less calories.

I'm blaming folks like you who whine about the poor being neglected and then when you have an opportunity to help someone, you don't.

if you progressive would put your money where your mouth is you might be able to solve some of the problems you expect everyone else to take care of. if you think the poor need help and all you do is expect someone else to do it what good are you.

February 14, 2014 at 12:21 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^Soak, it's the whining that makes them feeeeeeeel gooooood.

February 14, 2014 at 12:46 p.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "Mr. wannabe cpa I'm blaming both parties."

Not according to your comments so far today or any other day. You seem to be a conservative groupie.

"Your party the progressives and the republicans who are nothing more than progressives with less calories."

Oh my...I'm sure you have some idea as to who exactly it is who could fix all that is wrong in your eyes. Care to type who that is?

"I'm blaming folks like you who whine about the poor being neglected and then when you have an opportunity to help someone, you don't."

How do you know what it is that I do for others? You don't plain and simple and you never will.

"if you progressive would put your money where your mouth is you might be able to solve some of the problems you expect everyone else to take care of. if you think the poor need help and all you do is expect someone else to do it what good are you."

Just remember, whenever a Republican sympathizer whines about the prospect of a raising minimum wage, he or she is just as guilty of doing nothing that would raise the bar for the poor, AND he or she is just as guilty of perpetuating a system whereby the taxpayers are forced to augment the financial atatus of the working poor.

February 14, 2014 at 12:47 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, if there is something whacked out or moronic about what al said in his 11:22 post, please point it out for us. Don't just spit out your usual unoriginal one liners. But then, that seems to be all that you are capable of.

Everything that he just said makes perfect sense. Republicans whine and bitch about welfare, food stamps, and Medicaid, but they refuse to do the one thing that would raise a large number of people out of poverty and remove the necessity of their relying on them - namely raising the minimum wage. He also made a perfectly good argument about how Walmart could do that without losing a penny of profit. Most WM shoppers would barely notice a 1.2% rise in prices. I for one would gladly pay it if it meant paying their workers a decent wage. Don't just say that's a whacked out statement. Refute it if you have evidence to do so. C'mon, I'm sure there is some right-wing website you can go to that claims that raising the minimum wage would bring on our second great depression or some such bunk.

Republicans also whine and bitch about abortions but when Obama tries to do the one thing that would irrefutably have the most impact on reducing them - making birth control more accessible, covered by heath insurance - they get their panties all in a wad about how he's "forcing" people to go against their conscience or religious views.

Furthermore, you claim that "toonboy is at the bottom of his creative barrel." How many times have we heard that or something similar from you? It certainly takes a lot of creativity on your part to come up with something as sharp-witted and original as that. Reading your posts is like watching water drip from a gutter. The drops just keep on coming and they always make the same dull plopping sound when they fall.

February 14, 2014 at 1:23 p.m.
soakya said...

I'll type it for you wannabe cpa. its the Milton friedmans of the world. those who are neither progressive nor progressive lite but who are for freedom. who understand the rights of the individual are more important than the rights of the collective. that's who have the answers.

February 14, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
Maximus said...

Looks to me like the Republican needs to move. The hood has gone to pot. No I guess the liberals will never get it.....for healthy Americans self reliance, personal responsibility, honesty, and hard work is the best way out of poverty. The siren song of victimization, negativity, and class envy provide the path liberals like Rickapoo and Al The Peg Legged Used Car Salesman want you to take towards mediocrity and dependence on a huge all seeing all powerful so so smart Godless intellectual nanny state run by an ivy league thug like Barry Da Pimp.

Again, I do find it interesting that Clay The Bama hick did not do a gay rights Valentines Day toon. His life partner must have left him. :)

February 14, 2014 at 1:34 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Soakya, you keep beating that same dead horse about how we libs ought to pay for some poor person's health insurance or give them a car or pay for their education or blah blah blah. How much of a simpleton do you have to be to keep mouthing that same old crap? Most people I know, libs and conservatives and myself included, give to certain charitable organizations and help those in need any way they/we can. But there is only so much a person can give or do. Most people in the middle class or lower are having a hard time just making ends meet for themselves and their families. It's fine and dandy to help the poor on an individual basis or to give to charities, but we are living a system that is rigged in favor of the rich and it is not enough to just give to the poor when we need to fight to end this rotten system of plutocracy and create a society where poverty is nonexistent or at least greatly reduced. And that CAN happen. We are the wealthiest country on earth but we have become a banana republic with the vast majority of the wealth in the hands of a few elitist pigs. Yes, we DO need a redistribution of the wealth. There is nothing good to be said for income inequality such as we have here in the U.S.

"A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth." - Dr. Martin Luther King

February 14, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.
Maximus said...

Rickaroo...a revolution of fairness sounds riveting! Who is going to be leading this revolution of fairness, I thought you losers elected him twice for POTUS. Rickaroo, get over it, your fairness ship is never coming in. Enjoy your personal revolution as a loser.

The wife and I have reservations at Ruth Cris tonight. There will be a nice gathering of Republicans the people that really run things around Chattanooga. :)

February 14, 2014 at 2 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo has the mouse balls to say I'm repetitive. It's you that posts the same o shiz a out my posts, time on forum, etc. everystinkinday. Feel free to scroll past them, Jamoke.

February 14, 2014 at 2:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo, do you live in the hood? And another question, how do you see the "revolution of values" unfolding? Serious question.

February 14, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

A study was done regarding Wal-Mart. A raise in prices across the board of 1.2% would allow every single worker at Wal-Mart to make a minimum of $12.00 an hour, and keep the profits where they are.

Al, for a supposed CPA and business owner you are as dumb as a box of rocks. Walmart’s profit margin varies from 3 to 3.5%. If they could increase their prices 1.2% and their volume of sales would not decline why don’t they just do that, not pay their employees any increase, and increase their profits by about 40%. After all you Fleabaggers claim they are the devil and that is just the thing you would expect them to do ... Right? Their stockholders would absolutely love that wouldn’t they?

Why don’t you share your great business wisdom and explain to us why any company that could so easily increase their profits that much would not do so? Since they are so evil I’m sure that is something that Walmart would do if they could ...Right?

February 14, 2014 at 2:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Well hell hotdog! You got plenty of highly taxed socialized countries out there for you! No "transformation" required!

YOU hate the country in which you live. Therefore, you should have been gone long ago. You'd fit perfectly in China!

甩掉包袱 Good riddance.

February 14, 2014 at 2:25 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Biden: "Be Optimistic on State of the Nation ‘In Spite of Who’s President’

Aaaaaahhh...Biden...the gift that keeps on giving..

what an absolute moron.

February 14, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Maximus you continue to show your ignorance and bias.

"for healthy Americans self reliance, personal responsibility, honesty, and hard work is the best way out of poverty."

Most Americans are doing everything you listed above. Like most pompous Cons you assume that people are just not working hard enough or taking "personal responsibility". Your simplistic view of the typical American who is struggling is astounding.

You ignore corporate welfare in what is suppose to be a dog eat dog, winner take all, capitalistic society. I could sask, why are my tax dollars given to support special tax breaks, write offs, incentives to relocate outside America, etc. to successful corporations who then pay their CEO's multi-million dollar salaries?

"Self reliance" and "honesty" my patootie. The rich have scavanged from the country for decades while opposing any measure to help the average worker. Many of them have become succesful off of mine and your tax dollars. The "nanny state" has been the trough that corporate america has bellied up to while screaming "free markets" and "self reliance".

I would be willing to bet my tax dollars have benefitted you in the multiple businesses you claim to have started. Tax breaks, write offs, etc. Yes?

Oh, but maybe you consider yourself one of the deserving.

February 14, 2014 at 2:54 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Hotdiggity, don't waste your breath with Max. He probably doesn't own a pot to piss in, much less any business.

February 14, 2014 at 3:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So diggity. What do you propose?

February 14, 2014 at 3:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

If there is something whacked out or moronic about what al said in his 11:22 post, please point it out for us. Don't just spit out your usual unoriginal one liners. But then, that seems to be all that you are capable of.

Everything that he just said makes perfect sense. ... He also made a perfectly good argument about how Walmart could do that without losing a penny of profit.

Another Wharton School graduate ... You're both “wacked out and moronic” .... You said it ... Not me ... LMFAO!!

February 14, 2014 at 3:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

blackwater48 said...

Do you think a bloated republican would ever risk a blister to dig out his own driveway?

First - Bloated Republican? That’s a 2000 sq ft house with no 6 ea car garage, swimming pool, tennis court, helo pad, or polo pony stables on a 1/4 acre plot with no razor wire topped fence to keep the hoi polloi out.

Second - Of course they wouldn’t dig out their own property as they utilize their labor in a more profitable manner. That way they can hire the “income challenged” to do so and thus create jobs.

Think he installed heating strips in the ground to melt all the snow? Now THAT'S adorable!

When the minimum wage is raised they will compare the added labor costs to installing the heating strips. At a certain cost they will just use technology to replace the “income challenged” and allow them to move entirely onto the taxpayer’s tab.

You think working people have time to wait for help? Most families need more than one income just to survive.

Undoubtedly the Fleabaggers living around the Republican are waiting on someone to help them. It’s obviously daytime and their properties are not cleared yet and there are no tracks in the snow where they walked to find gainful employment.

February 14, 2014 at 4:07 p.m.
Maximus said...

Hotdiggity....I see a LOT of obese, cigarette smoking slouchy slackers standing out in front of medical clinics where they make minimum wage and more than likely vote for Obama. I should have included MOTIVATED, self reliant, responsible, hard working and healthy as key factors to working your way out of poverty. Hotdog you can't do anything about the segment of our population where their goal is a hard days work at an hourly job, a pack of Marlboro and a Bud Light 12 pack at the end of the day. . Some enjoy the low expectations and comfort zone of poverty with cable and a flat screen. Poverty in America....come on man give me a break.

February 14, 2014 at 5:24 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

PT - "So diggity. What do you propose?"

Start with a minimum wage increase. How much would it really cost for Wamlart or Micky D if they raised their wages. Also they cannot outsourse these jobs since you have to have individuals here perform the work.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median age of fast-food workers is over 28; and women, who comprise two-thirds of the industry, are over 32. The median age of big-box retail workers is over 30.

These are not teenagers filling a summer job. These are heads of households. In addition, with the meager or nonexisting health benefits or pensions who do you think picks up the tab for their hospital bills or support in retirement? The taxpayers. These companies are playing us for suckers as they dole out seven figure salary/bonuses and increase dividends.

Henry Ford had it right over a century ago when he enraged big business by offering a salary of $5 a day. He understood that the more people make, the more they would be able to buy his products. Extra tax revenue was just the icing on the cake to the country for his policy.

Is it so hard to understand that when people have more money to spend, especially the middle and lower class, that they will spend that money, which creates jobs, increases tax revenue, and allow them to be more self-sufficient.

Does this not make sense?

February 14, 2014 at 5:29 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"how do you see the "revolution of values" unfolding? Serious question." - PT

You act as if what I am proposing is some far-fetched pie-in-the-sky notion. But most Americans are every bit as fed up with our crony capitalistic system of privilege and welfare for the rich as I am. And despite the ceaseless whining and screaming of you teabagging goons (you might deny being a teabagger, PT, but you are just as rabidly right-wing as they are) who try to paint the super-rich as heroic titans of industry and worthy of praise, most Americans see them for what they really are: selfish, arrogant, greedy, myopic sociopathic pricks who are not only NOT worth emulating but deserving of ridicule. It is one thing to work hard to get a degree, a Masters, a PhD, and establish a good and productive career for oneself, or to start a business and work hard at making it successful and something beneficial to society. But to have such an obsessive focus on accumulating obscene amounts of wealth and then keep piling on that wealth without in any way giving something back - not even paying decent wages for those in their employ - is reprehensible and it's time we stop praising those bastards and call them out for the degenerate pieces of sh!t that they are.

Having money and mansions is not necessarily indicative of success. Greed is NOT good. Everything in life is not, nor should be, a commodity for somebody to make a profit from. There are some things that should remain sacrosanct enough that we assure all people of their right to have access to them.

Exactly how a revolution of values will unfold I cannot begin to say, but the more you right-wing cretins keep clinging to your worn-out clichés and your worship of failed supply-side economics, the more people are going to wake up and smell your crap for what it is. Whether you realize it or not, your willful ignorance of how rotten our system is and your continued support of it is pushing more and more Americans to the tipping point.

February 14, 2014 at 5:32 p.m.
Maximus said...

Oh and Hotdiggity....who do you consider rich? I swear some of you people would prefer a feudal system where you could be a comfortable serf taken care of by those with royal blood lines. Ohhhh.....errrrrrrr.....that's why America was born....the land of opportunity, not outcomes! Hotdiggity....I guarantee you and many others would have been wearing Red Coats during the Revolutionary War. "I know the King will make things fair and take car of me forever. These Yanks that want their freedom are crazy!".

What wine should we order at Ruth Cris tonight? I'm thinking.....Silver Oak Cabernet. Nice!

February 14, 2014 at 5:34 p.m.
Maximus said...

Hotdiggity, as I have said before, most of us work until the month of May just to pay our federal taxes,not to mention almost 10% of every dollar we spend in TN goes to the state. Bottom line if you are looking to the guvment to change your lot in life you are badly mistaken!

A substantial tax cut would pull a LOT of Americans out of poverty and do more good than ANY increase in the minimum wage. Again, if your passion in life is increasing the minimum wage then you are a lonely loser.

February 14, 2014 at 5:43 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hotdiggity said...

The issue is how our goverment promotes a system that is both fair to all its citizens and benefits the nation as a whole. I could say that if you cry about high taxes why not move to countries with low taxes. Russia, India, or Mexico perhaps?

So quit yer bellyaching and get to packing.

AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT !! .... Sounds so ‘60’s ... Right?

February 14, 2014 at 5:43 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gee, Roo. Seems it doesn't pay to ask you a civil question.

February 14, 2014 at 5:44 p.m.
Maximus said...

Oh and Rickaroo, revolutions don't work too well in the U.S. too many of us own AR-15's and a LOT of ammo. And Rickaroo, keep talking revolution and Obama will start monitoring your cell phone and as we know the NSA does not play.

Revolution, bring it on, I live on high ground!

February 14, 2014 at 5:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

It's time that Republican cheerleaders heard some bitter truth.

If it’s not bitter it’s not effective ... Right? ... Sounds so 19th century just like your truths.

For as much as you people bitch, whine, and moan about welfare, food stamps, and other social programs, the fact is that the Republicans contribute to the need for such every single day.

Aren't you the ones who purport that Republicans for the most part, are the ones offering jobs? Sure you are.

See! ... I told you so ... everything that goes wrong is the Republican’s fault.

Much has been offered about the issue of raising the minimum wage. Republicans are totally against it. Why is that?

It’s all so un-American for the government to force their will on the natural contracts between free people.

Could it be because they like spending other people's money to support the poor, rather than to pull the money out of their own pockets and pay a living wage? Of course it is.

They're the ones paying the wages and the vast majority of the taxes that supports the poor ... so it’s coming out of their pocket either way. The global marketplace makes the determination as to how much of each is provided.

This crap blaming Democrats for spending taxpayer dollars is a farce. The Republicans are far more responsible for any increase in spending for social welfare and they know it.

Talking about spending other peoples money the national debt is just over $17 trillion that Obama through the efforts of the Democrat legislators has added $7 trillion during his regime. With the passing of the clear debt limit it will be about $18,2 trillion this time next year and he is on his way to a $10 trillion addition to the debt by the end of his regime. But it is a “farce” to blame him and the Democrats since they have lead the charge to cut spending ... Right?

Look for this very same argument to permeate campaign speeches from Democrats later this year.

I hope they do as it will give the voters the chance to question them about why they spent so much time on lying to the voters about so many scandals especially Obamacare. All the while they were selling our children into involuntary servitude to pay off their debt.

February 14, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.
Maximus said...

Rickaroo can't make a go of it on the supply side and I bet he I'd ivorced living in a van down by the river. Why don't you join Backwater and drink the hemlock. It worked for Socrates! Lol!

February 14, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Chance of UAW success at VW Chatt............30%

Chance of non-union VW Chatt. getting SUV....20%

Chance that Obama made a fool of Corker for being more concerned about VW shareholders than local workers....100%

February 14, 2014 at 6:01 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Jt6gR3hM said... AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT !! .... Sounds so ‘60’s ... Right?

Actually it sounds so early 2000's when I heard it endlessly from the right regarding anyone who had the gall to oppose the Iraq war. Of course that slogan was also interspersed with "Unamerican, traitors, cowards, weak on defense, etc. And lets not forget "Freedom Fries" and suspicion of French's mustard.

February 14, 2014 at 6:03 p.m.
Maximus said...

Dude...oh yes the UAW and Obama are life partners in Marxist thuggery! Again, any man that is nieve enough to support Barry The Wlfare Pimp is an idiot. How about that Obamacare, Obama's legacy will be excrement.

February 14, 2014 at 6:07 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, you are insane (but then, I already knew that). You asked me a question and I answered it. Obviously my answer was not to your liking but I answered it. You, on the other hand, have remained staunchly silent about my comment to you. You still have not given a rebuttal to alprova's 11:22 post. You insinuated that it was whacked out and moronic without giving any reason as to why. You have written nothing that would support a counter-argument. All you have done is resort to name calling without telling us why alprova deserves to be called a whacked-out moron. Now, we're waiting...impress us with your brilliant argument that will show us once and for all why alprova's post earns him the distinction of your referring to him as a whacked-out moron.

February 14, 2014 at 6:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo. Alpo has earned the name. I post what I want, Bunky. You don't make the rules.

February 14, 2014 at 6:13 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rickaroo... hope you have plenty of time. His question to you was 12 words. You responded with roughly 350 words, his response was... wait for it... 12 words! He's always vague and noncommittal. He did the same thing with hotdiggity.

February 14, 2014 at 6:17 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"how do you see the "revolution of values" unfolding? Serious question." - PT

PlainTruth said... "Roo. I post what I want, Bunky. You don't make the rules."

See how erratic?

February 14, 2014 at 6:22 p.m.
tifosi said...

Maxipad said: "Dude...oh yes the UAW and Obama are life partners in Marxist thuggery! Again, any man that is nieve enough to support Barry The Wlfare Pimp is an idiot."

I support President Obama. But, I pretty much support any U.S. President. I support America.

Most everyone here knows how I feel about the UAW.

February 14, 2014 at 6:22 p.m.
dude_abides said...

maximus... man, that's like 3 gay references today from you! Give it a rest before somebody figures out you really have reservations for Chris' Root.

February 14, 2014 at 6:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Toes... What happened on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, my northern friend? Your peeps look absolutely idiotic after making fun of southerners! 100 vehicles... maybe they were all tourists from Atlanta, huh?

February 14, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.
volsam said...

tifosi, I applaud your stance on the UAW.I also agree with you about respecting the office, but like Dem's did with Bush, I cannot support a president as radical as Obama. This total reformation of America is dangerous and concerns me greatly. This guy is a threat to our freedom and our way of life.

February 14, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

You still have not given a rebuttal to alprova's 11:22 post. Now, we're waiting...impress us with your brilliant argument that will show us once and for all why alprova's post earns him the distinction of your referring to him as a whacked-out moron.

Well obviously the same could be said about you in that you're willfully avoiding my rebuttal to both you and Al ... It couldn't be that it cut the both of you off at the knees on your B.S. contentions about Walmart wages.... could it pal?

February 14, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

Is it your perception that God wants everyone to be a republican?

He does if (S)He wants his/her children to be successful, self supporting, and not to move back home for God to have to buy their snacks and beer while the Fleabaggers lay on the living room couch and play video games all night keeping God awake and he will be grumpy on the Throne the next day and allows old people, children, disabled, poor, women and minorities to starve to death and left in piles in the streets. Of course that would be the Republicans fault because they didn’t allow the Fleabaggers to join their club ... Right?

February 14, 2014 at 6:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"A substantial tax cut would pull a LOT of Americans out of poverty and do more good than ANY increase in the minimum wage. Again, if your passion in life is increasing the minimum wage then you are a lonely loser." - Maximus

You have either a very selective memory or a short-lived one. Most of us who are not so memory-deprived still remember Bush's tax cuts right after he first took office. Most people got a check in the mail of a few hundred dollars and then saw slightly lower taxes for some years afterward. If that brought people out of poverty it was only negligible. And not only did it almost immediately wipe out a comfortable surplus, it (along with 2 unfunded and unnecessary wars) turned it into a growing deficit, from which we have never recovered.

But maybe those Bush tax cuts weren't low enough, eh? Maybe if we took away taxes all together, then not only would people get out of poverty but we would all become one-percenters, yes? And the invisible hand of the free market has a way of magically self-correcting and always doing the right thing for the right people all of the time. And they all lived happily ever after.

America has practically the lowest tax rates of any industrialized country, and the rich here enjoy countless loopholes that make their tax rates even lower. Yet fools like Maxie keep whining about how lower taxes spur the "job creators" to create jobs and will miraculously pull people out of poverty. But supply-side economics is called "voodoo economics" for a reason: it's full of sh#t! It doesn't work!

Grow up, Maxie. You're still stuck in the 80s when greed was supposed to be good. A lot of you knuckle draggers are trying to resuscitate that deflated plastic doll and bring her back to life but she ain't gonna kiss you back, bubba. She be dead and she's only gonna get deader, as more and more people wake up to how wrongheaded, bassackward, undemocratic, and downright perverse the thinking of you and your "greed-is-good" ilk really is.

February 14, 2014 at 6:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. - Dr. Martin Luther King

He was certainly clairvoyant in his absolutely spot on definition and the results of “The War On Poverty”

February 14, 2014 at 6:52 p.m.
soakya said...

maximus, if you don't mind refresh my memory about where you stand on corporate welfare at the state and local level.

February 14, 2014 at 7:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hotdiggity said...

Henry Ford had it right over a century ago when he enraged big business by offering a salary of $5 a day. He understood that the more people make, the more they would be able to buy his products.

I bet Boeing Aircraft has a huge wage problem ... Those wide body airliners can be pricey.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/

Car production in the year before the pay rise was 170,000, in the year of it 202,000. As we can see above the total labour establishment was only 14,000 anyway. Even if all of his workers bought a car every year it wasn’t going to make any but a marginal difference to the sales of the firm.

We can go further too. As we’ve seen the rise in the daily wage was from $2.25 to $5 (including the bonuses etc). Say 240 working days in the year and 14,000 workers and we get a rise in the pay bill of $9 1/4 million over the year. A Model T cost between $550 and $450 (depends on which year we’re talking about). 14,000 cars sold at that price gives us $7 3/4 million to $6 1/4 million in income to the company.

It should be obvious that paying the workforce an extra $9 million so that they can then buy $7 million’s worth of company production just isn’t a way to increase your profits. It’s a great way to increase your losses though.

The reason for the pay rise was not as some of our contemporaries seem to think it was. It was nothing at all to do with creating a workforce that could afford to buy the products. It was to cut the turnover and training time of the labour force.

BTW ... Isn’t it amazing as to how much you Fleabaggers feel you know is just so much B.S. ... LMFAO!!

February 14, 2014 at 7:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

volsam said: " but like Dem's did with Bush, "

I defended President Bush against the rabid left-wing attacks. I have said it before on this site... he planted the seeds for the Arab Spring. He and he alone made that decision. His greatest legacy has yet to come. Without a doubt, democracy has taken root in the Middle East. This is the only path to long-term peace in the Middle East. It will be a long tough path, but President George W. Bush has planted the seed. I hope my great-grandkids never have to go their and fight.

If we truly love America, we will stop the divisiveness. Who will be the leader?

February 14, 2014 at 7:17 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"He does if (S)He wants his/her children to be successful, self supporting, and not to move back home for God" blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

Jt, you do understand that there are plenty of us that are gainfully employed and are not Republicans? You also understand that there are plenty of people that receive welfare that are Republicans? It must seem like some sort of weird paradox to you, but it's true. So if all us non-Republicans are "Fleabaggers", what exactly do you call an unemployed Republican that is on food stamps and other government assistance?

February 14, 2014 at 7:18 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Tifosi, if you believe that Bush "planted the seed to long-term peace in the Middle East", you must truly be delusional.

February 14, 2014 at 7:20 p.m.
tifosi said...

Not the first time I have heard that. :)

It took millions of lives to bring peace to Western Europe. Democracy isn't cheap.

February 14, 2014 at 7:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

Tifosi, if you believe that Bush "planted the seed to long-term peace in the Middle East", you must truly be delusional.

Well .... We’ll never know since Obama came in and sprayed Triox all over the area.

February 14, 2014 at 8 p.m.
RShultz210 said...

Who's in favor of firing this idiot Bennett and offering Bruce Plante his job back? At least Plante wasn't THIS biased. He dished it out to both sides, and his cartoons were a hell of lot more intelligent. Bennett just plain sucks.

February 14, 2014 at 8:36 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Jt6gR3hM - So let me get this straight. Raising the wage cut worker attrition (turnover), gave more disposable income to the workers, increased worker morale, other manufacturers had to follow suit by raising wages, etc. These are bad things?

Mr. Ford was aware of the cost increases he would incur short term, duh. But he was thinking long term and it paid off. He was also aware that people had to be able to afford his vehicles.

And of course he understood that paying higher wages would allow people to purchase his cars and raise profits, which they did. In the two years after the raise profits doubled from 30 million to sixty million.

"The more well-paid leisure workmen get, the greater become their wants. These wants soon become needs. Well-managed business pays high wages and sells at low prices. Its workmen have the leisure to enjoy life and the wherewithal with which to finance that enjoyment. -Henry Ford

Jt6gR3hM - So do you deny that giving people more disposable income, especially the middle and lower classes, does not result in more spending, more jobs, and more disposable income?

Do tell.

February 14, 2014 at 9:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

dude_abides said... Chance of UAW success at VW Chatt............30% CHECK

Chance of non-union VW Chatt. getting SUV....20%

Chance that Obama made a fool of Corker for being more concerned about VW shareholders than local workers....100%

February 14, 2014 at 10:03 p.m.
Maximus said...

Wow Rickaroo that deflated plastic doll must be the one you are sleeping with tonight. I have rarely read such bitter drivel. I would suggest that YOU act like a real American and take care of your own business instead of worrying about creating some utopian society that has never worked without totalitarian control and mass murder. As far as our taxes being lower than most other socalled "developed" countries, yes you may be right, but who do those countries like the U.K. Or Israel call when they are in trouble, the under taxed USA. As far as corporate welfare, you unemployed loser liberals need to get over it. American corporations are the envy of the world. Anybody watching the Winter Olympics? McDonalds, Proctor and Gamble, GE, the list of corporate Olympic sponsors is very, very long. Anyone sick, well you can count on corporate America to have a cure in most cases. American pharmaceutical companies have kept millions of AIDS patients alive and heart disease deaths are on the decline due to better blood pressure meds discovered by, yes, American corporations. Do you like NASCAR.....I know you liberals are cheap, have no sense of humor and don't enjoy competitive sports cause they are unfair, but NASCAR would not exist without corporate America. You liberals like your computers....corporate America. No at the end of the day people like you Rickaroo are bitter envious losers that blame everyone even our country for YOUR failure. And Rickaroo..the fair only comes once a year and no government, no revolution will ever be able to make things fair for all where outcomes are guaranteed. There will always be winners and losers.

February 14, 2014 at 10:43 p.m.
soakya said...

those shareholders are the taxpayers. we have a 70% interest in VW.

February 14, 2014 at 10:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Props to VW workers for keeping the thugs out.

February 14, 2014 at 10:52 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Unions complaining about "outside interference" in the political process is pretty laughable. That's rich, ain't it?

February 14, 2014 at 10:56 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

HERE'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW

Max, no one suggested American corporations aren't profitable. They're sitting on mountains of cash. Apple has $160 billion on hand and is spending around $15B to buy back its own stock and raise share value. Lots of corporations are doing this, and no one suggested American companies are not innovative or productive.

Here is the point you keep missing:

CONSUMER SPENDING DRIVES THE AMERICAN ECONOMY

Hate to break it to you, Max, but Sean and Rush have been lying to you for years, and you are a goober because you believe them.

February 14, 2014 at 11:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hotdiggity said...

Jt6gR3hM - So let me get this straight. Raising the wage cut worker attrition (turnover), gave more disposable income to the workers, increased worker morale, other manufacturers had to follow suit by raising wages, etc. These are bad things?

The first three no ... the last one is an incorrect conclusion on your part. The other manufactures only had to raise wages if there were a shortage of workers to do the work they desired. Auto assembly was and is hardly skilled labor so they had a plentiful supply of labor. One half of the $5 raise was a bonus for employees living under the dictatorial moral code that Ford insisted on. Many workers would work at the other companies rather than to submit to that kind of regime.

BTW ... You claimed Ford did it to help his employees buy his cars and that was not his reason but thanks for the diversion anyway.

Mr. Ford was aware of the cost increases he would incur short term, duh. But he was thinking long term and it paid off. He was also aware that people had to be able to afford his vehicles.

How did his raising the wages of his employees help the general public to buy his cars. After all they were the overwhelming majority of the purchasers.

And of course he understood that paying higher wages would allow people to purchase his cars and raise profits, which they did. In the two years after the raise profits doubled from 30 million to sixty million.

The numbers I provided puts the lie to that statement.

"The more well-paid leisure workmen get, the greater become their wants. These wants soon become needs. Well-managed business pays high wages and sells at low prices. Its workmen have the leisure to enjoy life and the wherewithal with which to finance that enjoyment. -Henry Ford

Ford was a cutthroat businessman ... What P.R, guy do feel wrote that for him.

Jt6gR3hM - So do you deny that giving people more disposable income, especially the middle and lower classes, does not result in more spending, more jobs, and more disposable income?

Yes but only in the very short term if it is a redistribution of already existing and fixed wealth and not the creation of new wealth.

February 14, 2014 at 11:34 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

blackwater48 said...

HERE'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW

CONSUMER SPENDING DRIVES THE AMERICAN ECONOMY

Consumer spending on domestic goods and services are only 40% of the nations GDP. Buying a pair of jeans made in China adds very little to our economy. The only thing that will drive our economy back to health is increased productivity primarily through technology. However that brings a certain amount of problems of its own especially for the unskilled and semi-skilled citizens.

February 14, 2014 at 11:56 p.m.
Maximus said...

To Blackwater and all you anti corporate types......VICTORY.......Chattanooga VW workers VOTE AGAINST OBAMA UAW!!!

Duh..."American consumers drive U.S. corporation profits.". Backwater I guess you are a retard because it's a basic business concept that I guess since you are a revolutionary do not seem seem to understand....if you make a good product or provide a good service like I do, you can make piles of cash, that if you wish you can reinvest as you wish. This is America you stupid loser. Sooooooooo funny that Chat gave the UAW and Obama the finger! Oh and Rush and Sean are millionaires several times over. Meanwhile Blackwater is running his EBT card financed revolution. :). Oh and Ruth's Cris was awesome tonight had the filet cooked to perfection. Enjoy your socialist beans Stankwater!

February 15, 2014 at 12:05 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BEHOLD A NEW ECONOMIC PRINCIPLE!

Step aside Adam Smith, John Maynard Keynes, and Milton Freedman. According to Max:

The only thing that will drive our economy back to health is increased productivity primarily through technology.

if you make a good product or provide a good service like I do, you can make piles of cash, that if you wish you can reinvest as you wish.

Really? Even If you increase production through technology, even if you make a good product or provide good service, the bank will still shut your doors if you don't have customers. Domestic customers, foreign customers, or even government customers.

That;s business. You make a widget, you sell a widget TO A CUSTOMER, and you make a profit.

I'm sure you give good service, but did your piles of cash fall out of the sky?

Stop trying to impress me you nouveau riche puke.

February 15, 2014 at 1:10 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp said, "A study was done regarding Wal-Mart. A raise in prices across the board of 1.2% would allow every single worker at Wal-Mart to make a minimum of $12.00 an hour, and keep the profits where they are."

February 15, 2014 at 7:25 a.m.
facyspacy said...

^democratic math. You are saying increasing prices by 1.5% would not affect profits? Not only do you contradict yourself in politics but now economics

February 15, 2014 at 7:28 a.m.
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