published Tuesday, February 18th, 2014

Victory

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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PlainTruth said...

Jaw. Floor. I guess Clay has never heard of union goons. Simply amazing.

February 18, 2014 at 12:13 a.m.

Projection again. Exactly ,PT.

Union not needed, beat it.

February 18, 2014 at 12:18 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WRONG FIGHT

You tea baggers crack me up. You think the conservatives who spearheaded the campaign to defeat the UAW - both republican politicians and outside groups including the Kocks and Grover Norquist - were afwaid of da mean old union goons? Good grief! You guys are getting dumber by the minute.

In the 2012 election the UAW contributed $14 million to democratic and liberal PACs. This vote had nothing to do with a new SUV plant or VW losing state subsidies or communism or any other lies that were flying around. It had to do with cutting a potential revenue stream into liberal political campaigns.

Republicans lie about most campaigns and this one was no different.

You guys are dancing and you don't even know who's pulling the strings!

February 18, 2014 at 12:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ Hey Moron, you must be looking at a different toon than I.

February 18, 2014 at 1:58 a.m.
GameOn said...

Speaking of lies. "If you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan." Progressives don't lie in their campaigns. Do they?

February 18, 2014 at 2:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

I will cut the deficit in half my first term and should be a one term president if I don't.

I will reduce unemployment to under six percent.

If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it, if you like your current doctor you can keep them...period!

I will close Gitmo my first year in office.

What promises that will benefit me can the UAW make in writing? Would they be any more binding than those above? Does the UAW need me more than I need them?

February 18, 2014 at 4:53 a.m.
EaTn said...

Want to know why the union was defeated? Follow the money. Our state's "right to work" main purpose was to overcome union intimidation over workers. Maybe it should be amended to include workers' rights to work without political and other outside intimidation.

February 18, 2014 at 5:24 a.m.
dude_abides said...

fairmon... You forgot to throw in your obligatory faux "balancing" statement. Very unfair, mon.

February 18, 2014 at 7:23 a.m.
Astropig said...

VW workers made the right decision,period. Their job security will never be assured by some high living union boss in Detroit,but by building a "no excuses",world class car on Volkswagen Drive.Look at Australia,mate.Their entire auto assembly industry will be history when Toyota nails the doors shut in about a year. Militant unions helped kill the good jobs that existed there.Same for Britain and (to a lesser degree),Italy.You can listen to these lefties that think that prosperity flows from politics,or you can roll up your sleeves,work hard,save and invest and have that house in Florida or on the lake.You can leave something to your grandkids or teach them to pray for an Obama to come around every generation or so and take money from the people (like you) that have done the hard work.Choose wisely.

February 18, 2014 at 7:43 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

In the beginning, unions were good; in the end they got the UAW shoved up their exhaust pipe.

February 18, 2014 at 8:04 a.m.
limric said...

Unions are thugs, and business regulation is Communism โ€“ say politicians and corporate CEOโ€™s that moved your jobs to...Communist China!

Well done Clay.

February 18, 2014 at 8:07 a.m.
AgentX said...

So, before the vote, most people were saying "It's up to the VW employees". There were people on both sides of this debate spewing a bunch of stuff. Now that the VW employees have spoken, the UAW is trying to find a way in.
Why, if the majority voted against the UAW, does the UAW insist it knows what's right for the plant workers, and that the UAW will continue to fight to represent them? I'm sorry, but that makes me think the UAW has other interests in the plant, besides the employees. Well, I guess the UAW likes the dues they collect. I don't have anything against unions (they do serve a function in certain industries), but I do have something against the UAW.

February 18, 2014 at 8:28 a.m.
tifosi said...

Bob King does NOT represent the workers at Volkswagen.

"Obviously, we had a majority (of workers in favor of the UAW) at one point," King said.

This is a complete fabrication. Many of those cards signed were from contract workers at Aerotek. They were not eligible.

As of yesterday, SUV momentum picked up significantly for Chattanooga.

February 18, 2014 at 8:32 a.m.
tifosi said...

IMO... this had more effect than any politican could. The UAW will never admit it.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140217/OEM01/140219872/conservative-groups-anti-union-effort-to-target-more-u-s-plants

For the record: I am no fan of Grover Norquist.

February 18, 2014 at 8:44 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Bennett is a cry baby.

February 18, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.
tifosi said...

Clay Bennett is blindly following the party line with little thought or knowledge about the situation. He has lost his journalistic objectivity. He is not interested in the truth.

February 18, 2014 at 8:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

dude_abides said...

fairmon... You forgot to throw in your obligatory faux "balancing" statement. Very unfair, mon

None appropriate with the UAW fat cats that would not benefit VW employees in any way. If a majority of VW employees want a union they should consider one other than the UAW.

February 18, 2014 at 8:57 a.m.
tifosi said...

I co-worker of mine, who is a staunch Democrat from Chicago, said they would "resign" the day the UAW entered this plant. Volkswagen of Chattanooga will grow now.

I wonder if Clay Bennett has ever bothered to take a tour of this incredible plant. I would personally like to invite Clay. http://www.volkswagengroupamerica.com/tours.html

February 18, 2014 at 9:02 a.m.

Unions are corrupt corporations. To believe they're as pure as the newly fallen snow, and have nothing but the workers welfare in mind is to believe there's Santa Claus. Union leaders, who are very much in bed with politicians, are just as greedy as the worst example of a greedy CEO.

Why should someone have to belong to a union to work? How idiotic. If they don't want a union, then leave it be. Democrats have a problem with choice. Choice is ok for abortion, pot, sodomy, and crossing over the border of a sovereign nation, but it's not ok if you belong to a union, want to make your own decisions regarding healthcare, and keep your privacy in most ways.

Bennett's cartoons are like cheap and transparent propaganda from pre-WWII Germany.

I'll say it again, this kind of non-issue, is distracting from what's really going on which is that we're slipping and sliding helplessly toward a police state.

February 18, 2014 at 9:06 a.m.
schizka said...

If you really want to be concerned about any Unions, it should be the Union of Prison guards such as the CCPOA. Some of the most powerful in the nation aren't in the private sector, but are in the government sector. They dictates prison population. Although unions in the private sector maybe diminishing somewhat, unions such as CCPOA and police have become more powerful. They control and dictate prison populations. They fight to retain bad, dangerous, alcoholics, drug abusers and even child molesters on the force. They have a heavy control and influence over polticians. They control the courts and may even influence the outcome of many trials. Even judges are often either fearful, complicit or supportive when police or prison guard unions are involved.

February 18, 2014 at 9:09 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHO KILLED DETROIT?

Republicans blame the UAW for the collapse of the American auto industry, right?

Because management had nothing to do with ignoring foreign imports that were more reliable and more fuel efficient. Yeah, the UAW kept making gas guzzlers designed to fall apart after 3 years.

PT, name-calling is more proof, as if more proof were needed, that you have no argument.

Republicans also vehemently opposed Obama's bailout of GM and Chrysler. They didn't care that thousands of workers would lose their jobs, they only wanted to cripple UAW financial contributions to Democratic causes.

I'd be surprised if the NLRB didn't nullify the vote. On the day voting began Corker assured workers that a no vote meant VW would build their SUV in Chattanooga. VW denied his claim but the voting was already underway. If the UAW pulled a stunt like that republican outrage would be deafening.

February 18, 2014 at 9:28 a.m.

"They don't care", "they don't care", "they don't care", a broken record.

Yeah, it was a big conspiracy. Could it possibly be that VW workers don't give a crap, and like where they work? VW builds a plant in another country, provides thousands of jobs, the workers are treated well, the facility is modern, and they're paid well. Maybe they're happy, huh? It's the typical Democrat bullcrap MO, make everyone feel that they can be happier than happy.

February 18, 2014 at 9:43 a.m.
AgentX said...

@ tifosi Awesome! didn't think to look and see if they gave tours. I plan to check that out sometime.

February 18, 2014 at 9:47 a.m.
tifosi said...

blackwater said: "Because management had nothing to do with ignoring foreign imports that were more reliable and more fuel efficient. Yeah, the UAW kept making gas guzzlers designed to fall apart after 3 years."

That argument is stale. Your example occured in 1978. The Detroit 3 began building stylish, reliable cars by 1990. Ford took Jaguar from bottom of the reliability list to the top in a couple years. The Big 3 know what they are doing now. Detroit filed bankruptcy in 2013.

Just a few years ago, I had the terrible experience of calling on a Chrysler transmission plant in Detroit. We arrived in a Ford. We were immediately stopped by security and told only Chrysler products could park here. We had to park in the back lot. So, we moved to the next lot. Security stopped us again.. "You have to park in the back lot." and pointed to weedy, unkempt lot. By that point I had enough and we got in the car and left. The irony of all this... it was a black lady working security that kept telling us to go to the back of the bus.

February 18, 2014 at 9:48 a.m.
tifosi said...

Agentx: This plant is world class. The only automotive plant in the world to receive the Platinum LEEDs certification. Very proud to have been a part of it.

http://www.usgbc.org/leed/rating-systems

February 18, 2014 at 9:57 a.m.
soakya said...

why don't we hear complaints from the progressives when the same politicians and the chamber threaten taxpayers that if we don't hand over incentive dollars these companies will setup elsewhere.

for a group that supposedly hates corporate welfare you progressives sure love it when you think it provides you with a job. typical hypocrisy of the progressive.

February 18, 2014 at 10:03 a.m.
jesse said...

Any body think maybe they decided they didn't NEED a union??

What did the union have to offer besides collecting dues and trying to fix something that wasn't broke to start with?

February 18, 2014 at 10:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ A fair point. I've never heard any of the Lefto-mopes on here present even one good reason for VW workers need of a union.

February 18, 2014 at 10:18 a.m.
tifosi said...

There is NO reason. It is a fantastic facility. Safety and ergonomic issues are agressively monitored and pursued. Pay is competitive, even with UAW shops. Benefits are the best I have ever had. The leasing program is AWESOME!!! I am on my sixth car. No where else in America can a production worker get to drive a $50,000 Audi. $500/month that includes all maintenance and insurance.

February 18, 2014 at 10:33 a.m.
conservative said...

Homosexual/sodomite Chris Anderson is now a cry baby.

February 18, 2014 at 11:17 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

tifosi...Clay is a not a journalist, he is a cartoonist, for the OPINION column of the paper.

February 18, 2014 at 11:33 a.m.
ibshame said...

The workers at the plant had the opportunity to vote and they voted to say "no" to the UAW. I have no problem with their choice but I do have a problem with the tactics that were used by people like Bob "Nissan" Corker, "Flying J Haslam", Bo "Scopes Monkey Trial" Watson and the rest of the GOP extortion crowd. It's not enough they have to try to keep people from the polls with discriminatory voter ID laws but now they want to control voting in companies by employees with extortion tactics.

Maybe VW should choose to take the manufacture of their SUV to Mexico. If nothing else but to prove extortion is a two-way street.

February 18, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
ibshame said...

"conservative said... Homosexual/sodomite Chris Anderson is now a cry baby."

Yep, and I'll bet you probably think the death of that snake-handling preacher was justified.

February 18, 2014 at 11:49 a.m.
soakya said...

ibshame, don't know where you've been but politicians, the chamber, and manufacturers have been playing that extortion game for years. they threaten to take their ball and go home if they don't get taxpayer money all the time. you ok with that?

February 18, 2014 at 11:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ibeshamed: The thug unions have been using extortion tactics (and far worse) for decades. Do you people read?

February 18, 2014 at 11:52 a.m.

ibshame, "extortion" That's funny. More projection. You libs are experts at it. And extortion, thuggery, threats, bullying, greed, bribery, and not allowing private ballots, have never been associated with unions. What a joke.

You libs always have it ass backwards in almost everything. Nearly all countries in the world require an ID to vote for good, sound and logical reasons. But, you liberals fight that tooth and nail.

The vote goes your way, you get your man in the WH twice, and you still bitch about voter fraud, that mostly always comes from Democrat controlled areas. You lose the vote, and you bitch the same way. What do you want?

February 18, 2014 at 12:01 p.m.
ibshame said...

"soakya said... ibshame, don't know where you've been but politicians, the chamber, and manufacturers have been playing that extortion game for years. they threaten to take their ball and go home if they don't get taxpayer money all the time. you ok with that?" "PlainTruth said... ibeshamed: The thug unions have been using extortion tactics (and far worse) for decades. Do you people read?"

Might be a good idea if the two of you read or listened to something other than what the local right wing nut job talk show hosts put out for their rabid listeners. The UAW had signed a NON-INTERFERENCE AGREEMENT with VW. Meaning they would not visit workers' homes or engage in anyway with measures to promote Union Membership. They kept their word according to people I know who worked at the plant.

What Corker and the rest of that bunch did was nothing more than extortion. But it represents the same kind of BS they pull when it comes to voting. Any lie they can tell, any obstacle they can put out there to get their way, they will do it in the name of "fair play." I guarantee if the Dems had made threats of what would happen at that plant if the vote went against the Union and the workers had voted to allow the UAW to represent them, Bo "Scopes Monkey Trial" Watson would be in front of the NLRB right at this very moment filing suit against the outcome of the election.

February 18, 2014 at 12:07 p.m.
jesse said...

This whole thing is turning into a cluster F##K! If the union had stayed in Detroit and Corker and Co. had stayed out of it all would have worked out fine!I seen first hand what went on at Combustion during some of their labor disputes back in the 60's and 70's and it ain't pretty!Had to put the police dogs on the strikers one time, bottles and bricks flyin, wonder someone hadn't been killed!Teamsters blowin up car dealers ,cuttin tires and just generaly being arzholes!

February 18, 2014 at 12:26 p.m.
ibshame said...

"zableedofisterix said... What a joke. You libs always have it ass backwards in almost everything. Nearly all countries in the world require an ID to vote for good, sound and logical reasons. But, you liberals fight that tooth and nail.

The vote goes your way, you get your man in the WH twice, and you still bitch about voter fraud, that mostly always comes from Democrat controlled areas. You lose the vote, and you bitch the same way. What do you want?"

Normally, I wouldn't waste my time replying to you. Anyone who thinks as you wrote one day that Obamacare was worse than the Viet Nam War is not one to reason with. However, since you asked what do I want here is my answer. The first time President Obama ran for office, the GOP had no dirt they could sling his way. He was clean without the usual political dirt so they made up BS. Nutjobs slithered out from underneath the rocks they hid beneath and started rumors about his birth, his religion, his schooling, every thing they could think of to delegitimize him as President. When none of that BS worked and they saw he was going to be elected, the members of the GOP met on the day the man was inaugurated to agree to a pact to stand in the way of ANY LEGISLATION THEY THOUGHT HE WANTED PASSED. The leader of the GOP announced with Glee that THEIR SOLE OBJECTIVE WAS TO MAKE SURE HE WAS A ONE TERM PRESIDENT. LOL

Then came the next election. They raised millions and millions of dollars, passed discriminatory voter ID laws, and did everything within their power to defeat any legislation they could to beat this man. But NONE OF IT WORKED, THEY GOT THEIR AS*ES HANDED TO THEM ON A SILVER PLATTER. NOW THEY ARE GEARING UP FOR 2016. THEY WILL LOSE AGAIN BECAUSE THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT WHAT I WANT IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE WANT: A GOVERNMENT THAT REPRESENTS THE INTERESTS OF ALL OF ITS' PEOPLE AND NOT JUST THOSE WITH THE MOST MONEY.

February 18, 2014 at 12:27 p.m.
Astropig said...

@Ibshame

"Maybe VW should choose to take the manufacture of their SUV to Mexico. If nothing else but to prove extortion is a two-way street. "

I love the way libs would happily put some well paid workers out on the street and take their benefits and wreck their families to prove a point.Real compassionate.

February 18, 2014 at 12:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ibshamed. the question is still out there."๐•™๐• ๐•จ ๐•จ๐• ๐•ฆ๐•๐•• ๐•ฅ๐•™๐•– ๐•ฆ๐•Ÿ๐•š๐• ๐•Ÿ ๐•“๐•–๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•—๐•š๐•ฅ ๐•ฅ๐•™๐•– ๐•๐•Ž ๐•จ๐• ๐•ฃ๐•œ๐•–๐•ฃ?"

February 18, 2014 at 12:30 p.m.
tifosi said...

Long before Sen Corker made any statement about incentives, a VW official threatened the exact opposite. The NLRB ruled it was not in violation. For them to charge anything against Sen. Corker now, would be hypocrisy and would be directly challenged in a court of law.

"The workers allege management has hinted the work would go to the Mexican factory if workers in Tennessee do not adopt the company's management style, which allows workers to be represented on managerial councils.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2013/10/22/Four-workers-file-anti-union-complaint-with-NLRB/UPI-88251382462601/#ixzz2thCF5c00

February 18, 2014 at 12:31 p.m.
jesse said...

Ya think if con man got his self a good dose of sodomy he might relax a little and quit obsessing about it??

February 18, 2014 at 12:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ eewwww

February 18, 2014 at 12:44 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Still waiting for that reason for a union at VW.

Come on shameful, give it a whirl.

February 18, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Astropig said... I love the way libs would happily put some well paid workers out on the street and take their benefits and wreck their families to prove a point.Real compassionate."

Hmm, evidently you don't read very much either. It was Bo "Scopes Monkey Trial" Watson and his counterpart McCormick who first raised the idea of NOT ALLOWING VW ANY MORE INCENTIVES IF THE WORKERS VOTED FOR UAW REPRESENTATION INSTEAD OF AGAINST IT. They threw down the Gauntalet. Maybe they should have just kept their mouths closed and let the workers decide without their input. After all they were the ones who gave VW the incentives to come here in the first place. VW only did what FEDERAL LAW PROVIDES AND THAT IS GIVE THE WORKERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT UNIONIZATION. CORKER, HASLAM, WATSON AND THE REST WERE THE ONES WHO WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT THE IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON VW'S DECISION TO START ANOTHER LINE HERE. They tried to strong arm VW and sometimes that kind of tactic can come back to bite them in the a*s. Maybe they should have considered the "COLLATERAL DAMAGE" from their actions.

February 18, 2014 at 12:54 p.m.
AgentX said...

^^^Agreed. A brand new, state of the art factory. What can the UAW improve on?

February 18, 2014 at 12:57 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... ibshamed. the question is still out there."๐•™๐• ๐•จ ๐•จ๐• ๐•ฆ๐•๐•• ๐•ฅ๐•™๐•– ๐•ฆ๐•Ÿ๐•š๐• ๐•Ÿ ๐•“๐•–๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•—๐•š๐•ฅ ๐•ฅ๐•™๐•– ๐•๐•Ž ๐•จ๐• ๐•ฃ๐•œ๐•–๐•ฃ?"

That's a question ONLY THE WORKERS AT VW WHO WERE IN FAVOR OF THE UNION CAN ANSWER. I don't work there and don't know the conditions that caused some to think joining a union would be beneficial to them in the first place. Evidently, there was something there that almost 50% of the workers wanted from a Union or the vote would not have been as close as it was.

February 18, 2014 at 1 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

That's right Astro. It's called the scorched earth policy. If the dems can't turn a profitable company into a money maker for the democratic party, then they'll deem that company "evil" and "hateful". They'd rather shut a place down than have it run non-union.

You're right, they put the "ass" in compassion.

February 18, 2014 at 1:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ibshamed anxiously awaiting the revolution of the proletariatโ€ฆworkers of the world unite!!

February 18, 2014 at 1:05 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Wow shameless, for someone who doesn't work there and has no skin in the game, you sure act disappointed that the vote went no.

Why all the tears?

February 18, 2014 at 1:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

your union guys hard at work.

Chrysler Workers in Michigan Caught Smoking & Drinking - "Again"

February 18, 2014 at 1:19 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TOES02800 said... Wow shameless, for someone who doesn't work there and has no skin in the game, you sure act disappointed that the vote went no.

Why all the tears?"

As per usual your kind gets it wrong again as to my objection. If the workers at VW wanted a union that would have been their choice instead they voted "no" and again that was the MAJORITY VOTE. WHAT I OBJECT TO IS THE INTERFERENCE FROM CORKER, HASLAM, WATSON, McCORMICK AND THE REST OF THE GOP CLAN. THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT VOTE. BUT AS USUAL WHEN YOUR SIDE USES DIRTY TACTICS YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. HOWEVER, NOT ONE TIME DID YOU SEE OR HEAR ANY DEMOCRAT SAY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE WORKERS VOTED AGAINST UAW (as they did). ALL THE LIES, ALL THE BILLBOARDS CAME FROM ONE SIDE ONLY AND IT WAS NOT AS IF THE UAW PUT UP ANY BILLBOARDS OR HELD ANY PRESS CONFERENCES TO THREATEN ANY TYPE OF ACTION IF THE VOTE WENT AGAINST THEM. RIGHT NOW OUT THERE ON HWY 153 NEAR THE IBEW IS A BILLBOARD WITH THE WORD AUTO CROSSED OUT OF UAW TO READ "UNITED OBAMA WORKERS." THE BIGGEST FEAR CORKER AND THE REST OF THE GOP CLAN HAD IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COMES FROM THE UNION'S POLITICAL PAC. THEY WERE WRONG TO INTERFERE AND NOTHING YOU OR ANY OTHER RWNJ OR TEABAGGER WRITES IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT. MY OBJECTION IS TO THEIR INTERFERENCE WITH THE RIGHT OF THE WORKERS TO CHOOSE ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT OUTSIDE INFLUENCE.

February 18, 2014 at 1:32 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

buyers' remorse.

Poll: 71% of Obama voters, 55% Democrats 'regret' voting for his re-election

"Over seven in 10 Obama voters, and 55 percent of Democrats, regret voting for President Obama's reelection in 2012, according to a new Economist/YouGov.com poll."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-71-of-obama-supporters-regret-voting-for-his-reelection/article/2544165

February 18, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No, ibeshamed. Your objection is that there will be less UAW money to be donated to the Dems. Plain y simple.

February 18, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

A pro-union buff deriding "dirty tactics". Now THAT'S precious.

February 18, 2014 at 1:37 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TOES02800 said...

buyers' remorse.

Poll: 71% of Obama voters, 55% Democrats 'regret' voting for his re-election

"Over seven in 10 Obama voters, and 55 percent of Democrats, regret voting for President Obama's reelection in 2012, according to a new Economist/YouGov.com poll." http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-71-of-obama-supporters-regret-voting-for-his-reelection/article/2544165"

LOL Nothing like a RWNJ quoting from a RWNJ Poll. Now compare President Obama's so-called Buyer's regret and he's still ahead of your hero George W. Bush when he exited the White House. LOL

February 18, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The UAW was invited inside the plant and had THEIR say directly to the workers themselves! Talking to them personally.

You're going to blame the no vote on some billboards?

What gives the UAW the right to "interfere" with a company that is doing just fine without them? Was Corker invited inside the plant? Was any anti-union people invited inside the plant to talk directly to the workers? Was THAT "one sided"?

All they needed was a billboard with a picture of Detroit and a D-9 cat next to it.

The biggest miscalculation of the democratic party is, and has always been believing people are as stupid as they themselves are.

February 18, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah right. It took years for the media to bash Bush down to those numbers. Your Messiah got there all on his own, despite a fluffy media in his taxpayer paid for pocket.

February 18, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"In the first week of November in the fifth year of their presidencies, Obama and Bush have nearly identical approval numbers, according to the latest Gallup polling."

"In fact, Bush comes out one point ahead, 40 percent to 39 percent, respectively."

"The Gallup daily tracking poll for November 5th 2013 puts Obamaโ€™s approval at 39 percent, with 53 percent disapproving of his job performance."

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-and-bush-poll-numbers-nearly-identical-five-years-into-presidency-214919924.html

Whatever.

February 18, 2014 at 2:02 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TOES02800 said... Yeah right. It took years for the media to bash Bush down to those numbers. Your Messiah got there all on his own, despite a fluffy media in his taxpayer paid for pocket"

You really don't want to go there with me. Bush went down to those numbers when he attacked a country that had NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH TO DO WITH 911. AS A RESULT OVER 4000 U.S. SOLDIERS WERE KILLED, THOUSANDS MAIMED FOR LIFE, THOUSANDS OF IRAQI CITIZENS KILLED AND MAIMED, SERVED AS A RECRUITING TOOL FOR AL QAEDA AND DAMN NEAR BANKRUPTED THE UNITED STATES. Obama could serve for 8 more years and not do the damage that bozo did.

February 18, 2014 at 2:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ibeshamed goes to the Left's default position, "Now compare President Obama's so-called Buyer's regret and he's still ahead of your hero George W. Bush when he exited the White House. LOL" these lefto-mopes even think in lockstep.

February 18, 2014 at 2:04 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Toes & ibshame(sic) none of those 71/55% dissatisfied voter/dems are going to vote for your kind of candidate so don't get your hopes up, if fact the majority of Americans will not either. Put any one of your guys up and we could run a dead horse and win.

February 18, 2014 at 2:05 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Here's a list of democrat Senators that voted in favor of......the Iraq war.

Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Breaux (D-LA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carnahan (D-MO) Carper (D-DE) Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Daschle (D-SD) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Miller (D-GA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Schumer (D-NY) Torricelli (D-NJ)

February 18, 2014 at 2:15 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Obama could serve for 8 more years and not do the damage that bozo did."

I'd be ashamed too if I were drowning in the purple Kool-aid.

February 18, 2014 at 2:20 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TOES02800 said... The UAW was invited inside the plant and had THEIR say directly to the workers theselves! Talking to them personally.

VW invited them in because VW was/is interested in starting a "workers' council."

You're going to blame the no vote on some billboards?

No, I don't blame the vote on anything. YOU STILL DON'T GET IT. THE WORKERS HAD THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WITHOUT OUTSIDE INFLUENCE FROM EITHER SIDE., THE GOP CLAN AND THEIR SUPPORTERS DECIDED OTHERWISE.

What gives the UAW the right to "interfere" with a company that is doing just fine without them? Was Corker invited inside the plant?

VW gave them the right when THEY INVITED THEM IN.

Was any anti-union people invited inside the plant to talk directly to the workers? Was THAT "one sided"?

Evidently from the people I know who worked there plenty of Anti-union literature was passed around(as was their right to do so) and some were allowed to wear anti-union shirts without any recrimantions

All they needed was a billboard with a picture of Detroit and a D-9 cat next to it.

No, don't kid yourself. It wasn't the billboards, it was the threats from lawmakers who should have known better but didn't care because they were looking out for their interests.

The biggest miscalculation of the democratic party is, and has always been believing people are as stupid as they themselves are".

No, that's the biggest miscalculations of the teabaggers, rwnj's and repubs. It explains why they have lost the White House the last two elections, will most likely not gain control of the Senate and will eventually lose again in 2016.

"TOES02800 said... Here's a list of Senators that voted in favor of......the Iraq war"

And they were WRONG AND TIME EVENTUALLY PROVED THEY WERE WRONG!

February 18, 2014 at 2:29 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TOES02800 said... "Obama could serve for 8 more years and not do the damage that bozo did."

I'd be ashamed too if I were drowning in the purple Kool-aid"

You already drowned in the RED Kool-aid

February 18, 2014 at 2:36 p.m.
jesse said...

Please tell me how Corker et al can threaten V.W. workers? With what?They might could get the company's attn. by a threat of some kind but what could they do to an hourly employee ?

I guess little Bob could tellum "yall vote the union in i'm gonna come down there and kick your arz!"

February 18, 2014 at 2:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ibeshamed. you're on the wrong side of this. you're just pissed because the thuggish criminal UAW lost. Admit it. Apparently you have no sense of history on how these guys run elections.

February 18, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... ibeshamed. you're on the wrong side of this. you're just pissed because the thuggish criminal UAW lost. Admit it. Apparently you have no sense of history on how these guys run elections."

No, I'm not a member of the UAW or any other UNION. What I don't like are the tactics used and NOTHING YOU or any other Teabagger or RWNJ writes is going to change that. As far as a sense of history goes, you have no idea what you're talking about when you try to tell me anything about history.

February 18, 2014 at 2:50 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"What gives the UAW the right to "interfere" with a company that is doing just fine without them?"

Because VW management invited them. NO other reason matters.

"No, ibeshamed. Your objection is that there will be less UAW money to be donated to the Dems. Plain y simple."

Any union employee can request that NONE of their dues go to the PAC that receives donations from said union or any other political activities.

"Still waiting for that reason for a union at VW."

VW management wants a works council and that, my friends, is going to require a union (by US law). VW will be unionized, it's just a matter of time.

February 18, 2014 at 2:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ and will make you're day, huh gassy?

February 18, 2014 at 3:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

You know what would just be delightful? If VW would be so pissed off that they didnโ€™t get their โ€œworks councilโ€ they would not only placed the SUV line in Mexico but also move the existing operation there as well. It would be worth it to see them fire all the present employees and make the RWNJโ€™s look like fools.

Be honest Fleabaggers, at least to yourselves, that is your โ€œultimate wet dreamโ€, no matter whom it hurts ... Just think of how it sweet it would feel to rub that in the wingersโ€™ faces .... You know itโ€™s true so embrace it completely ..... Right?

February 18, 2014 at 3:19 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... No, ibeshamed. Your objection is that there will be less UAW money to be donated to the Dems. Plain y simple"

No, my objection is now and will always be what Corker and the rest did and said. Corker and Co. are the ones who should be worried about UAW money. LOL

February 18, 2014 at 3:20 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said...

You know what would just be delightful? If VW would be so pissed off that they didnโ€™t get their โ€œworks councilโ€ they would not only placed the SUV line in Mexico but also move the existing operation there as well. It would be worth it to see them fire all the present employees and make the RWNJโ€™s look like fools.

Be honest Fleabaggers, at least to yourselves, that is your โ€œultimate wet dreamโ€, no matter whom it hurts ... Just think of how it sweet it would feel to rub that in the wingersโ€™ faces .... You know itโ€™s true so embrace it completely ..... Right?"

RWNJ's and Teabaggers already look like fools, You don't need any extra help for that.

February 18, 2014 at 3:25 p.m.
amunro said...

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February 18, 2014 at 5:12 p.m.
jjmez said...

Guess.......

................WHO

................... NOW

..................... BELONGS

..................... TO-A

.........................Union? --------------

The darling of the Pee-Party

drum roll ............

_JOE-THE-PLUMBER!!_


Yes, according to Washington Post and other news outlets, your boy, Joe The Plumber--is a proud member of UAW @ Chrysler!!!!!! ;)

February 18, 2014 at 5:53 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ BFD. He always seemed like an idjit to me anyways.

February 18, 2014 at 5:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

He lives and works in Ohio and if you work in a union shop in that state you are forced to join.

However Joe was gracious by saying ... โ€œCan a conservative work safely and soundly in a union environment โ€” in a shop filled with union workers, activists, voters and lifelong supporters of the Democrat Party? ... You betcha. Iโ€™m a working man and Iโ€™m working ... The employees voted to have it that way and in America thatโ€™s the way it is.โ€

I'll have to disagree with that last bit as it doesn't sound very American to be forced by law to pay money to join a non-government organization you may not agree with and will possibly oppress you just so you can earn a living.

February 18, 2014 at 6:31 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Letโ€™s say VW goes to the NLRB and requests a waiver to form a works council without the need for a labor union since their workers have voted against the union. VW tells them that without such a council they canโ€™t site the SUV plant in the U.S.. That they will be taking it and its associated jobs to Mexico to be followed in the near future of the existing VW plant.

(Note: this is a hypothetical for those nitpickers among you.)

Do you think the Fleabaggers would stand by the union and say no even with the loss of jobs to the U.S. economy? I know what they would say but what say you?

February 18, 2014 at 6:50 p.m.
volsam said...

I think what's being lost in the discussion here is, and I say this through experience, is the fact that the UAW is and has been an arm of the democratic party for a very long time. When the UAW gives millions of Dollars(union dues) to liberal progressives the southern conservatives reject it. With some inside the plant info the employees had already made up their minds a long time ago, the so called outside interference had little or no effect on the outcome. My source missed the final count by 2 votes and both voted against the union.

February 18, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

Do the comments mean it is ok for the president to support and promote unions but not ok for a senator or anyone else to have a different opinion?

How many votes does anyone think the comments by any outsider swayed either way? How many commenting here have been involved in a union campaign to unionize a no union work site? The union can and will exert extensive pressure and use coercion to gain support.

If VW employees or VW management want a union so they can have a work council they would be wise to seek one other than the UAW. One of the trades such as IBEW would be more professional and better to work with.

February 18, 2014 at 7:24 p.m.
jesse said...

JJMEZ acts like the fact that Joe the plumber took a job in a union shop gave him a boner!!JJ strikes me as someone who prob has a job at the zoo pikin the peanut hulls outta elephant sh!t!!

February 18, 2014 at 7:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

What amunro said

February 18, 2014 at 8:28 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Do the comments mean it is ok for the president to support and promote unions but not ok for a senator or anyone else to have a different opinion?"

Fairmon, that is not a legit argument and you know it. TN state politicians publicly stated that "they would be less likely to grant any additional incentives to VW". Corker said that "he was assured that VW would build the SUV in Chattanooga if the employees voted against UAW". That's different then simply saying "this is a bad idea" or something along those lines, which I agree 100% any politician should be able to say publicly without it mattering to anyone with the exception of a host on MSNBC. Obama didn't threaten anyone if they voted anti-UAW, he basically said "is a good idea".

"^^ and will make you're day, huh gassy?"

Not really, Truth. With the exception of watching you conservatives bitch, it doesn't matter to me. I don't work there (I'm also not union) and I don't think you do either, it affects us not one iota. If VW makes a good car (which I will admit, I do own one), keeps with the latest trends, and keeps them stylish, they will be profitable with or without a union.

February 18, 2014 at 8:56 p.m.
jjmez said...

jesse said... JJMEZ acts like the fact that Joe the plumber took a job in a union shop gave him a boner!!JJ strikes me as someone who prob has a job at the zoo pikin the peanut hulls outta elephant sh!t!!

Nope! I never held such a position or even heard of one. How-EVAH, since you know so much about pikin peanut hulls outta elephants sh!t, maybe that's been your only and primary job? hmmmhmmmm ;) Plus old boy, Joe, sent he went so viciously on the attack could have moved one of those anti-union red states. For sure, y'all would have welcomed him with open arms.

fairmon, I've worked at both Union and non-Union jobs. Everyone, union and non-union, basically gets along until upper company management gets their marching orders to stir up division.

Do people realize when American companies move to other countries and the workers in those countries attempt to form unions they're met with violence from anti-union hired thugs by the company to keep unions out? Some have been murdered. The workers' families have been known to be threatened too and fall victim.

February 18, 2014 at 9:47 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

TOES- "Still waiting for that reason for a union at VW."

Because VW recognizes how important having a union has benefitted their company and made it the 3rd largest auto company in the world?

February 18, 2014 at 10:46 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Unions are becoming more irrelevant by the day. We're witnessing the final, desperate death throes of a once relevant organization.

But they DO have a plan b. They'll dangle low hanging fruit and offer goodies and make it sound all sugary sweet.

Kinda sounds just like a page straight out of the liberal playbook.

If they do vote yes eventually, they WILL live to regret it.

February 18, 2014 at 11:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

hotdog said:

"Because VW recognizes how important having a union has benefitted their company and made it the 3rd largest auto company in the world?"

How has the union accomplished that? How has the union been a benefit to VW?

February 18, 2014 at 11:09 p.m.
soakya said...

political threats and favors are apart of these incentives, if you haven't figured this out by now you been living under a rock. this is exactly why no federal, state or local government should not be giving away our tax dollars. progressives love to whine about corporate welfare until it provides them with a job in their own backyard. take a position and be consistent or just shut the heck up and that goes for you progressive lites on the right also.

February 18, 2014 at 11:22 p.m.
ibshame said...

Looks like Bob "Nissan" Corker might need to get a quick course in German Language because he was assured the UAW vote would have no effect on whether or not VW would expand their line in Chatt.

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., said he had been "assured" by unnamed sources the company would manufacture the SUV in Chattanooga if employees said no to the UAW

From Today's Headlines in the Digital TFP: "Volkswagenโ€™s top labor representative threatened today to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the U.S. South if its workers there are not unionized, Reuters reported today."

โ€œI can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the South again,โ€ said Bernd Osterloh,a member of VWโ€™s powerful supervisory board and head of VWโ€™s works council."

Yep, those good ole boys in the GOP really know how to CREATE JOBS TO KEEP FAMILIES OUT OF THE MIDDLE CLASS.

February 19, 2014 at 12:01 p.m.
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