published Saturday, February 22nd, 2014

The Knockout

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

ALL'S FAIR

On the first day of voting Bob Corker (R-Scabville) said that he was assured that a 'no' vote meant VW would build their new SUV car Chattanooga.

Okay, it's a free country. Senator Bob can say whatever he wants and it's apparently not illegal for a high ranking elected government official to interfere in a private sector free market process like that. What he said may or may not have made the difference, but according to this republican senator Corker was out of line:

"I think the free market message of, 'Look, we are a great country and.. and we do not want the government involved in ways we deem to be un-American."

Bob Corker November 4, 2009

Ted Cruz pointed out the obvious when he said,

THE SINGLE THING THAT REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS HATE AND FEAR THE MOST IS WHEN THEY'RE FORCED TO TELL THE TRUTH. IT MAKES THEIR HEADS EXPLODE

February 22, 2014 at 12:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Imagine the UAW claiming a "low blow" on a union vote. That's funny right there.

February 22, 2014 at 12:40 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

DULY NOTED'

What if President Obama chimed in on the first day of voting and said he was assured that a YES vote meant the SUV would be built in Chattanooga? Don't you see the problem with ANY elected official interfering in the market place?

BTW, you and fellow baggers were so busy bashing Unions and Obama you forgot VW promised the new SUV plant was NOT riding on the Union vote. And yet when the workers voted no, VW said they may never build another plant in the South. How did all of you miss that?

You guys just want to spew bile even when you have a compelling argument. Maybe you're so seldom on the right side of ANY issue you don't bother checking facts.

Duly noted.

February 22, 2014 at 1:26 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

toiletwater goes like this here:

"VW said they may never build another plant in the South. How did all of you miss that?"

How did you miss this?

"NLRB officials have since recommended dismissal of those charges, but not because his statement didn't qualify as coercive. Instead, the NLRB decision said that Osterloh isn't bound by U.S. law because he's in Germany."

"After those comments that seemed to tie the union vote to local VW expansion, Osterloh also said there was no connection between the union vote and expansion in Chattanooga."

"Despite last week's vote against UAW representation, some Volkswagen leaders still want Chattanooga workers to be part of the Global Works Council."

Talk about not checking facts.

http://www.nooga.com/165523/top-volkswagen-official-says-failure-to-unionize-could-hurt-the-souths-chances-of-vw-presence/

February 22, 2014 at 2:01 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

NICE JOB CHERRY PICKER

You tried to piece together quotes from an article to support whatever case you were trying to make, but you missed the point. AGAIN. You concentrated on some group call the right to work council's frivolous grievance with the NLRB.

I stand by my statement.

VW said the SUV plant was not tied to the vote, but when workers said No, VW official Osterloh responded with, "I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the South again."

And you are shocked, SHOCKED! to hear VW is trying to keep all its options open? The SUV plant is powerful leverage that VW will use to extract another sweet deal. How much has VW reaped so far by the generous Tennessee taxpayers? $500 million?

Personally, I believe Osterloh spoke out of turn. He said something in a moment of clarity many of his associates probably wish he had kept to himself.

Like when Ted Cruz said,

THE SINGLE THING THAT REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS HATE AND FEAR THE MOST IS WHEN THEY'RE FORCED TO TELL THE TRUTH. IT MAKES THEIR HEADS EXPLODE.

February 22, 2014 at 2:43 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Not at all. I AM shocked that you use an "out of turn" statement to try to drive home a non-existent point.

Like when Ronald Reagan said,

"I'ts not so much that liberals are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

February 22, 2014 at 2:56 a.m.
cooljb said...

If you can fog a mirror and pay union dues, you can belong to the UAW. That doesn't say much for a more qualified work force does it? You have all of these trades unions where you have to be qualified and tested in order to work on union construction jobs, yes, belonging to that type of union makes sense. Belonging to the UAW is belonging to the Democrat fund raising arm and legalized extortion union. That is the MAIN initiative of the UAW, in my opinion. We all understand that those crying and whining about opposition to the UAW support the Democrat/Liberal party and want to enhance the funds of the party with collection of UAW dues, fact. That is the main concern of those for the UAW, they just won't say it. Let VW workers organize of course, just don't do it with the nastiest skunk in town, the UAW.

February 22, 2014 at 6:42 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"We all understand that those crying and whining about opposition to the UAW support the Democrat/Liberal party and want to enhance the funds of the party with collection of UAW dues, fact."

That is not "fact", cooljb. From Heritage.org:

"The First Amendment protects freedom of speech. No one can force Americans to financially promote views they oppose. So unions cannot compel workers to support their political activities. Supreme Court rulings let workers opt out of dues spent on politics."

February 22, 2014 at 7:26 a.m.

This guy is a broken record. Just sticks to his propaganda rotation. Never any new insight. Easy money.

PT, yeah, low blow. That is funny. More projection.

Notice the anti-union guy as red shorts on, meaning Republican. I guarantee that many who voted against this weren't all Republicans.

February 22, 2014 at 7:46 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Of course if the UAW had won, Bennett's cartoon would have to show the fighter on the right bent over and grasping his ankles.

February 22, 2014 at 7:49 a.m.
caddy said...

The people voted and Clay doesn't like it. Image that.

February 22, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.
rick1 said...

Gauss, Under Citizens United, unions can take member dues and spend the money on materials in support or in opposition to a candidate for office. This is problematic because union members are not asked for permission before this money is spent, and it is often difficult to ask for a refund.

http://www.unionfacts.com/article/political-money/

February 22, 2014 at 8:02 a.m.

That's right, blackwater, Cruz is a great example of someone who will criticize his own party. Unlike the sheep-like majority in your party who hang on every word your dear leader tosses out. The GOP is taking after the Democrat Party in the hope that they become popular with the media. Liberals are liars, and in order for the GOP to be like them they have to lie too. You have the most accomplished liar in the history of presidency, but none of you liberals have the guts to dare say so. You should admire Cruz for standing up to liars. The GOP/rinos, like McCain, are barely different than the Dems.

Conservatives have no control over the GOP, but leftists are in firm control of your party.

February 22, 2014 at 8:17 a.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger said...

ConMan, I meant to say possibly a misguided translator

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No, you didn't say anything, but you did write and you meant to write:

"Conservative, Paul never wrote the word "homosexual" in that verse. A translator did."

February 22, 2014 at 8:26 a.m.

I think you liberals are scared of Ted Cruz because he will attack rinos as hard has he does Dems.

The only way for any Republican to beat a Democrat for the WH is to elect a true conservative, not a GOP candidate hand picked by the liberal media/democrat party.

Just because Cruz calls his own party liars, blackwater, doesn't mean your party isn't a pack of liars. If you think quoting Cruz all the time distracts from BO' gigantic pile of stinking lies, you're nuts.

Nobody lies like BO.

February 22, 2014 at 8:28 a.m.
soakya said...

Don't you see the problem with ANY elected official interfering in the market place?-blackwater

Absolutely I do and I'm so glad you finally get it and understand government meddling in the market is the problem. i'm sure you also meant to mention health insurance, social security, prescription drugs, auto-bailouts, cash for clunkers, first time home buyers credit, home mortgage interest deduction, fannie mae and Freddie mac, pell grants, student loans, green energy tax credits for vehicles, appliances, solar energy, pilot agreements, .......

I totally agree with you. this meddling by government in the market is destroying our economy.

February 22, 2014 at 8:29 a.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger said...

Biblical scholars are not in agreement that Paul even mentions "homosexuality" in that verse.

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Of course you didn't provide any names or translations because there are none that are reputable

February 22, 2014 at 8:30 a.m.
conservative said...

Biblical scholars are not in agreement that Paul even mentions "homosexuality" in that verse. The only people that seem to be sure are nutjobs such as yourself.

======================

Thank you once again for the insult for it always the final option used by the Liberal when he is refuted and defeated.

February 22, 2014 at 8:40 a.m.
Maximus said...

Finally, the GOP is getting aggressive! Had Romney used Bengazi to castrate Barry the Welfare Pimp during the last election we wood not have this golf while innocents die in Syria joker as POTUS! Rahim Emmanuel, David Axelrod, are masters of political hard ball and the GOP if they want to win must do more of it! Playing nice with a Marxist radical left wing Democrat party will send you home with a loss every time. If the GOP gets aggressive with a CONSERVATIVE message attacking the failures of Barry The Welfare Pimps utopian society failures the GOP will win big! Tora! Tora! Tora!

Now to kick Lamar Alexander and John McCain in the gonads and vote those two week kneed moderates out of office! Bad Ass Bob Corker For President! Good toon Clay, the GOP did kick the Obama UAW out of VW! About time. The Obama UAW simply sore losers and if they get another vote they will lose again!

February 22, 2014 at 8:52 a.m.
tifosi said...

The Neutrality Agreement between VW and the UAW essentially blocked anyone from presenting an opposing argument in the plant. Only a grass roots effort internally was able to make a presence in the final days.

The UAW presented material that implied higher wages. But, they had actually bargained away representation on wages in the agreement with VW. Further evidence that they cannot be trusted.

I am very grateful that our elected officials stood up in our defense. We had no voice.

February 22, 2014 at 8:52 a.m.
Maximus said...

Soakya and Backwater....have you seen the TV commercials promoting liberal NY as a great place to start a business....NO TAXES FOR TEN YEARS! Isn't that nutcase Cuomo the governer? Lol!

February 22, 2014 at 8:56 a.m.
tifosi said...

IMO, the UAW will suffer an even greater loss in a second vote. Many voted for the UAW because they wanted a Works Council. Now, it has become apparent that VW is willing to pursue getting a Works Council without the UAW.

February 22, 2014 at 8:58 a.m.
GameOn said...

blackwater48 said...

DULY NOTED'

What if President Obama chimed in on the first day of voting and said he was assured that a YES vote meant the SUV would be built in Chattanooga? Don't you see the problem with ANY elected official interfering in the market place?

If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. Don't you see the problem with ANY elected official interfering in the market place?

February 22, 2014 at 9:04 a.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger said... Biblical scholars are not in agreement that Paul even mentions "homosexuality" in that verse. The only people that seem to be sure are nutjobs such as yourself.

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scores of Bible scholars were involved in this short list of Bible translations and they used the words Homosexual, sodomite or the equivalent:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, - 1 Corinthians 6:9 New King James Version

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality - 1Corinthians 6:9 English Standard Version

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, - 1 Corinthians 6:9 Holman Christian Standard

Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,- 1 Corinthians 6:9 Hebrew Names Version

cont...

February 22, 2014 at 9:08 a.m.
conservative said...

cont..

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God ? Do not be deceived ; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, - 1 Corinthians 6:9 New American Standard

you know that evil people will not receive God's kingdom? Don't be fooled. Those who commit sexual sins will not receive the kingdom. Neither will those who worship statues of gods or commit adultery. Neither will men who are prostitutes or who commit homosexual acts - 1 Corinthians 6:9 New Internationl Reader's Version

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders - 1 Corinthians 6:9 New International Version

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, -1 Corinthians 6:9 New Revised Standard

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals - 1 Corinthians 6:9 Today's International Version

Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, - 1 Corinthians 6:9 World English Bible

have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, - 1 Corinthians 6:9 Young's Literal Translation

February 22, 2014 at 9:09 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

CONSERVATIVE, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT EVERY TIME YOU BACK A LIBERAL INTO A CORNER, HE/SHE ASKS IF YOU ARE READY TO SURRENDER.

February 22, 2014 at 9:12 a.m.
tderng said...

Had VW allowed anti-union forces into the plant to oppose the UAW thugs,the elected officials would not have had to resort to public statements. The VW official who made the public statement that he would oppose building future plants in the south,is the union leader for VW. Of course he will oppose building plants where unions,especially the UAW,are not as welcome as they may be elsewhere. He is only one vote on the board of VW. That does not mean that there is no way another plant will be built in the south. He,like the UAW,wants more people in unions so that more dues money is rolling in. If the workers at the Chattanooga VW plant feel the need,in the future, to unionize they can do so. They are free to choose a union that is not so militant in their actions.

February 22, 2014 at 9:13 a.m.
tifosi said...

In case you missed the fine work of the UAW and how they get jobs back for those drinking and getting stoned during break.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/chrysler-workers-drinking_n_2272291.html

No one on this site can seem to explain or justify.

BLACKWATER!!! Can you please explain.

How about Clay Bennett????

February 22, 2014 at 9:13 a.m.
librul said...

You anti-union ignoramuses would have fought against ANY organization whose purpose met the DESIRES of Volkswagen. It could have been "The Amalgamated Brotherhood of Hood Ornament Polishers" and you would have still gone ballistic.

Those who worked to organize dock workers, steel workers, coal miners and countless others after the turn of the century were fiercely opposed by the big capitalists and their corporations - often with government support. The struggle for union rights and fairness in the workplace was won with blood and there is every reason to think it will have to be revived in the same way.

Volkswagen is a mystery to those who worked to unionize workers in the old days - here we have a corporation that seeks to involve workers in a cooperative atmosphere which should be a slam-dunk success - and GOOD for the company, but wonks like Corker and Haslam and the "our gang" led by Grover Norquist (talk about 'outside agitators') were the enemy in this case since they work only for shareholders and the one percent and care nothing about the companies or the rights of their workers. For ANY worker to support their election is a mystery too deep to understand.

February 22, 2014 at 9:16 a.m.
tifosi said...

librul - please respond to my previous post

VW in Chattanooga already involves "workers in a cooperative atmosphere"

Also, please explain the good brothers Frank Patta and Sebastian Patta and how this alliance is ethical.

February 22, 2014 at 9:21 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

zableedofisterix said...

"I think you liberals are scared of Ted Cruz...."

Hey zab, nothing would tickle me more than having the Cruz as the GOP presidential candidate in 2016.

I heard the same drivel last election that Dems were scared of Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Romney, etc.

And now we are suppose to be scared of nut job Cruz? Too funny.

Here's something scary for the GOP...Hillary Clinton.

Bring on the Cruz.

February 22, 2014 at 9:28 a.m.
dude_abides said...

zableedofisterix said... "Liberals are liars, and in order for the GOP to be like them they have to lie too."

"THE SINGLE THING THAT REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS HATE AND FEAR THE MOST IS WHEN THEY'RE FORCED TO TELL THE TRUTH. IT MAKES THEIR HEADS EXPLODE" ------------Ted "Nugent" Cruz

Sounds like a shady bunch to me... thank God the tea baggers are ruining the party!

February 22, 2014 at 9:28 a.m.
tderng said...

Are the employees at the Chattanooga plant working in unsafe conditions? NO. Are the employees of the Chattanooga plant being paid a lower wage than other auto plants? NO. Is the equipment in the Chattanooga plant old or outdated? NO. Are the officials the the Chattanooga plant unwilling to let the employees have some say in the goings on at the plant? NO. I still have not seen even one pro-union poster on this site explain exactly what the union would do for the workers at the Chattanooga plant that the management isn't already willing to do.

February 22, 2014 at 9:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

cooljb 6:42….5 stars and a cold one on me.

February 22, 2014 at 9:35 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Good job, librul, living in the past and attacking the messenger because you have nothing defend yourself with. Crawl back under the haystack.

February 22, 2014 at 9:41 a.m.
tifosi said...

hotdiggity: You seem to be a champion of social injustice. Who should be the voice for those that oppose the UAW?

February 22, 2014 at 9:43 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

yeah, those nasty R's are liars. they need to learn how to speak the truth from Libs.:

We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.” -Hilldebeast

February 22, 2014 at 9:46 a.m.
tifosi said...

For the record. In recent months there was frustration with the work schedule at VW. So, VW allowed each of the shops to vote on which shift model they wished to have. Two shops chose to keep the shift they already had, while the third went in a different direction.

I do not understand how anyone can claim these people are being deprived of a voice in VW. This is how any smart business today is run if you seek to get maximum potential from the work force. Managers today are not the same as those 50 years ago. They are leaders.

February 22, 2014 at 9:47 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

hotdiggity said... Here's something scary for the GOP...Hillary Clinton. NO, HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE SCARY FOR AMERICA. WHICH IS WHY SHE WILL NEVER SIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE. THE SECOND COMING OF THE MORAL MAJORITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. AND LIBERALS WILL BE LEFT BEHIND. OR SHOULD I SAY LEFT ON THEIR BEHINDS?

February 22, 2014 at 9:52 a.m.
librul said...

TD - most of those conditions you are so eager to credit the company for were won by union activism. If they are accepted as the status quo today, it is a testament to the value of unions which worked hard to make them the norm. Why can't you get past the idea that a "works council" that gives workers a formal seat at the table would be the end of the world?

And JP .... just go to hell.

February 22, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.
tifosi said...

librul... why do you not answer my questions?

BTW... anyone on here knows I am not right-wing.

February 22, 2014 at 9:54 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

tifosi said...

"hotdiggity: You seem to be a champion of social injustice. Who should be the voice for those that oppose the UAW?"

Umm, maybe people that oppose the UAW?

February 22, 2014 at 10:07 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Right wing spokesperson's military career:

February 22, 2014 at 10:08 a.m.
tifosi said...

hotdiggity - You keep whining about those people that did oppose and what they said. Those that were duly elected by the laws of the land to represent the majority of their constituents. Those same people that chose to invest $577 million of taxpayer's money into the VW plant. Those people that are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution the right to speak freely. You want to muzzle them.

February 22, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.
tifosi said...

c'mon dude abides... stay on topic. BTW, I despise Nugent.

February 22, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

librul says: "And JP .... just go to hell." surely you wouldn't condemn him to a place you don't believe in, eh lib?

February 22, 2014 at 10:14 a.m.
tifosi said...

librul - Also, please explain the good brothers Frank Patta and Sebastian Patta and how this alliance is ethical.

February 22, 2014 at 10:19 a.m.
tifosi said...

crickets

February 22, 2014 at 10:23 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

tifosi, better keep the faith: "By the time they arrive in Bethany, Lazarus has been dead and buried for four days. Martha, a sister of Lazarus tells Jesus: "if you had been here, my brother would not have died", but Jesus assures her that her brother will rise again and states: "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Then Jesus said, "Did I not tell you that if you believed, you would see the glory of God?" So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said:

"Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."

When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, "Lazarus, come out!" The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, "Take off the grave clothes and let him go."

February 22, 2014 at 10:29 a.m.
tifosi said...

WTF???

February 22, 2014 at 10:36 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tifosi said... "c'mon dude abides... stay on topic. BTW, I despise Nugent."

Sorry, tifosi, thought I was in the United States. BTW, why did you feel it necessary to respond in re: Nugent video? Anyone on here knows you're not right wing.

Chirp.

February 22, 2014 at 10:36 a.m.
tifosi said...

Not denying rights. It is considered proper courtesy to stay on topic.

I have recently been called right-wing Republican on this site.

February 22, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

tifosi - the better question would be how much influence the Tea Party still influences the GOP. When a TP candidate runs against another GOP candidate its a race to see who can move further to the right. Moderation or compromise have become evil words with the TP.

Question for you, are you satisfied making so much less than German Wokers who perform the same work as you? Their higher wages are the result of union wages and a progressive mindset.

What is this southern inferiority complex that seems to imply a lack of self worth, an almost glorification of the right for people or businesses to take advantage of them economically?

Conservatives imply a strong individuality and opposition to entities who would take advantage of them while in reality they meekly follow leaders who reduce their wages and social benefits for the benefit of the rich and big business.

As you say..."Better get educated."

February 22, 2014 at 10:52 a.m.
tderng said...

librul,I have no problem with a works council. Unfortunately, thanks to unions,a works council is not legal in the U.S.unless they are represented by a union. I do have a problem with any organization that uses threats,coercion,and actual assaults to get their way. A perfect example is the arrest of several local Ironworkers,including the leadership,for numerous unlawful acts including an assault using a baseball bat,arson,intimidation,,,read more at https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCcQqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabclocal.go.com%2Fwpvi%2Fstory%3Fsection%3Dnews%2Flocal%26id%3D9436067&ei=NskIU8vcL6mMygHl5IGQDQ&usg=AFQjCNEtXQXP8brzS34Ijy5xm_r-zuhOSA&sig2=XWSUQ7-AY4vYFYtXs08MBg&bvm=bv.61725948,d.aWc

February 22, 2014 at 10:55 a.m.
tifosi said...

hotdiggity -

I make great money with great benefits. I am for being competitive in our respective market. I don't want VW Chinese wages either. They have a union.

Germans pay a lot more taxes too. Do you want that too?

Germans are required to serve in the military.

Germans pay more for a Porsche than Americans.

Germans pay $9 for a gallon of gas.

Would you like to pay over a thousand dollars to get your drivers license?

One hours worth of my wages buys a lot more than a comparable German.

Your point is?

February 22, 2014 at 10:58 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

dignity says "What is this southern inferiority complex that seems to imply a lack of self worth, an almost glorification of the right for people or businesses to take advantage of them economically?" WTF are you saying here, diggs?

February 22, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.
tifosi said...

PT - No one takes advantage of me for long. Southerners get pretty indignant when that occurs. Might be why we don't support unions. hotdiggity is grasping.

February 22, 2014 at 11:18 a.m.
tifosi said...

I wonder why hotdiggity will not respond to my question about the Patta brothers.

I respond to his questions.

February 22, 2014 at 11:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ diggity is studying the playbook so as to form a reply.

February 22, 2014 at 11:32 a.m.
tifosi said...

A VW Chattanooga production worker makes more in 2 days than a union represented VW Chinese employee makes in a month.

"VW chief financial officer Hans Dieter Pötsch explained the company’s strategy in statements to the B ö rsen-Zeitung stock market daily. Because auto sales in Western Europe have dropped to a level not seen since 1993, Pötsch says, “belts will have to be tightened when it comes to [production] costs”. This can only mean that employees of the largest European car manufacturer now face imminent layoffs and a sharp deterioration in working conditions."

"Another thorn in the side of the auto companies concerns wage levels, which are higher in the coastal areas than in the provinces of central and western China. The minimum wages, set by local administrations in China, are based on the varying standards of living. The monthly minimum wages in many parts of the Xinjiang province lie between 1160 and 1320 yuan (€142-162 or US$189-215), well below the level of 1,620 yuan (€198 or US$263) in Shanghai."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/16/volk-s16.html

February 22, 2014 at 11:33 a.m.
tifosi said...

Oh yeah... the UAW agreed NOT to pursue wage issues with Volkswagen. The UAW never consulted with the VW employees about that. So much for getting equal pay.

Maybe hotdiggity is getting an education now.

February 22, 2014 at 11:37 a.m.

This is the funniest Bennett cartoon to date. Bar none. And for none of the reasons the bile-spewing UAW hacks project.

February 22, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.

The irony in the cartoon is brilliant. The use of a crowbar (or some other UAW calling card) in the violent act would have been beyond brilliant.

February 22, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
tifosi said...
February 22, 2014 at 11:51 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

tifosi - regarding your comment at February 22, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.

Are YOU happy with our elected officals making threatning comments saying they may not offer incentatives if workers voted union? You are aware if that happened that this would probably result in VW finding someone else to give them incentives to build and deprive Chattanooga the jobs?

Are YOU happy with Corkers comment that VW would only add the SUV if workers voted against union while offering no proof of this and knowing that VW said the vote had no bearing on its decision? What Corker said was a lie. Are you happy with this?

Are you happy with our elected officials saying that auto suppliers would not move here if VW went union without offering any proof?

It's one thing for our officials to voice opposition to unions, it's quite another for them to issue threats, lies, and misinformation. Does this not bother you?

Perhaps you are happy with these officials philosophy of keeping wages and benefits as low as possible so the companies can pay their CEO's multimillion dollar salaries from your sweat?

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what percentage of a companies profits you think should be allocated to the workers who made these products? What do you think YOUR labor is worth in relation to profits especially when YOUR tax dollars were given to bring the companies here.

What is your sense of self worth? Perhaps you have succumbed to what I wrote in my previous post at 10:52 a.m.?

February 22, 2014 at 11:51 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Pull down your sleeves, tifosi, your right wing is showing. Let's go recycling! C'mon, plaintruth, get your face outta that All Star Breakfast Platter and let's shrink our carbon footprint.

February 22, 2014 at 11:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dude = all words, no mass.

February 22, 2014 at 12:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

My elected officials stated the truth. Suppliers WILL NOT locate here. I worked for TRW and when the UAW card was being played they aggressively resisted the UAW. If the UAW represented VW workers, I can guarantee that TRW would not be anywhere in the vicinity. Why do you think the auto companies came to the South??? They were sick of the thugs. If it were not for the South's position regarding the UAW, there would be no auto plants in the South.

My base wages should not be based on profits. I took NO financial risk in the venture. RISK=REWARD.

I choose when, where and how much I am willing to work for. No one chains me to my work station. I know where my car is parked and I have the freedom walk out at any time.

I am very happy that my elected officials spoke up. No one else on par with the UAW would. VW muzzled opposition in the plant. Bo Watson did not threaten (see Patta question). He simply pointed out the obvious... that he did not feel that our elected officials would ever pass an incentive package if the UAW were brought in. He and Senator Corker do not control that vote.

I know for a fact that VW officials are very divided on the UAW issue. VW is a "for profit" entity. Audi chose to go to Mexico because they could make more money. When it comes to future expansion in Chattanooga, VW will go where they can make the most profit.

Tell me hotdiggity... what exactly do you think the UAW has to offer VW Chattanooga employees???

Why did the UAW oppose Volkswagen Chattanooga becoming a Free Trade Zone??? To protect Detroit auto workers. That is why.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT REPLIED TO MY QUESTION ABOUT THE ETHICS OF THE PATTA BROTHERS INFLUENCE

February 22, 2014 at 12:14 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No union teat sucker has EVER stated what the UAW could do for VW Nooga.

February 22, 2014 at 12:20 p.m.
tifosi said...

NOTHING!!! It is about union dues to build the strike fund and support Detroit.

February 22, 2014 at 12:22 p.m.
tifosi said...

Beautiful day. I am going to pull up my right and left sleeves to work in the yard. No union ever did anything to help me get my home. I worked for it.

Don't even bother with that tired old line "The unions did this 'n' that years ago."

I have my freedom thanks to the brave men and women that fought and died in our armed forces. No one else.

February 22, 2014 at 12:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Off to ease around in my '67 beetle.

February 22, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hotdingypants doesn't know WTF he's talking about. Runs off to Media matters when cup gets low.

February 22, 2014 at 12:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Gott Geschwindigkeit PT!

February 22, 2014 at 12:42 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The teacher's unions should be next to go. Horrible institutions.

February 22, 2014 at 12:50 p.m.
tifosi said...

UAW ist scheiße.

February 22, 2014 at 12:50 p.m.
jesse said...

_P.T.'s got a really nice Bug!From the pix looks like it's had a frame up restore!!

Over the years i owned 8 !Fun car!

February 22, 2014 at 1 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi, I think you will find this article interesting. It explains how the National Relations Labor Board fast tracked the vote to benefit the UAW and they still lost the vote. Also it appears the UAW would cost employees money as they would have to pay union dues but would not receive a wage increase to compensate for the union dues that are forcibly taken from their pay check.

I think you will find other interesting information in this article as well.

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2014/02/11/why_is_vw_helping_the_uaw_unionize__100894.html

February 22, 2014 at 1:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

BUSINESS INSIDER More: Unions Labor Force Employment The Dramatic Rise And Fall Of Labor Unions In One

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-dramatic-rise-and-fall-of-labor-unions-in-one-chart-2012-5#ixzz2u4iKNzgU

The REAL reason the UAW tries to conquer the south. They've already laid waste to the north, now they need a new teat to suckle from. Flailing wildly for new democrat party campaign money.

There's no other explanation, face it.

February 22, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dank, meine Freunde

February 22, 2014 at 1:11 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Careful throwing the "T" word around rick. the libs have now translated it to mean an angry black man. And it's racist now.

February 22, 2014 at 1:25 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes,

Can I use the word Knucklehead?

February 22, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ rick, only if your A$$ is 2 ax-handles wide.

February 22, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I don't know rick. Calling a lib a knucklehead gives knuckleheads a bad name.

February 22, 2014 at 1:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Dear Abby,

I am a crack dealer in Beaumont, Texas, who has recently been diagnosed as a carrier of HIV virus. My parents live in Fort Worth. One of my sisters lives in Pflugerville and is married to a transvestite. My father and mother have recently been arrested for growing and selling marijuana. They are financially dependent on my other two sisters, who are prostitutes in Dallas. I have 2 brothers: one is currently serving a non-parole life sentence at Huntsville for the murder of a teenage boy in 1994. My other brother is currently in jail awaiting charges of sexual misconduct with his 3 children. I have recently become engaged to marry a former prostitute who lives in Longview, a part time "working girl". All things considered, my problem is this: I love my fiancé and look forward to bringing her into the family. I certainly want to be totally open and honest with her... Should I tell her about my cousin who is an Obama supporter? Sincerely, Worried About My Reputation

February 22, 2014 at 1:42 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT and Toes your both are right. I guess only moochele can use the word knucklehead.

February 22, 2014 at 1:44 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

tifosi said...

"My elected officials stated the truth."

Do you understand what the word "truth" means? Please show some facts/truth that suppliers said they would not locate here if VW went union. Simple question.

I noticed that you did not address Mr. Corkers statement. Is that also the "truth". Please tell me what facts support this truth. It seems you have no problem accepting something as "truth" even if no proof is offered.

Your statement "My base wages should not be based on profits. I took NO financial risk in the venture." Yes you did. Your tax dollars were spent to help bring VW here and there is no guarantee they will be here next year to recoup these incentives. Thats called "risk".

"I choose when, where and how much I am willing to work for." Good for you, other people think their wages in relation to the people at the top and/or profit is worth more. Some people apparently have a higher sense of self worth than yourself.

As for Bo Watson's statement, how about we use the word misleading or perhaps disingenuous. Are you aware that Tennessee had the fastest rate of growth in union membership of any statelast year? Have you heard our lawmakers threaten incentives to these companies that employ or use union labor?

You said "YOU STILL HAVE NOT REPLIED TO MY QUESTION ABOUT THE ETHICS OF THE PATTA BROTHERS INFLUENCE"

Perhaps because you never addressed that question to me? Seems you post so much you forget who you are talking to. Jeez, get yourself organized. Here let me help you...

tifosi said...

librul - Also, please explain the good brothers Frank Patta and Sebastian Patta and how this alliance is ethical. February 22, 2014 at 10:19 a.m

You also asked him at 9:21 A.M.

February 22, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Hint: For non-union south, start at bottom of list.

info.healthways.com/wbi2013

http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/162029/file-524500321-jpg/Gallup-Healthways_mini-report_2013_rank-change.jpg?t=1392399695000

February 22, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.
tifosi said...

hotdiggity: Please share your thoughts on the ethics of Frank Patta and Sebastian Patta and how it relates to the UAW vote in Chattanooga.

Hint: It would be about the same as Grover Norquist's brother being brought in to be the VP of Human Resources at VW Chattanooga.

February 22, 2014 at 2:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tifosi... do you think that Bob Corker's influence pushed workers to vote either for or against the UAW? If so, which way and to what extent?

February 22, 2014 at 2:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

do you think that the UAW's influence pushed workers to vote either for or against the UAW? If so, which way and to what extent?

As for all the union members who feel stuck paying for liberal campaigns, I encourage a visit to unionrefund.org.

If you're an "R" and tired of giving the "D"s your money, give'em a call.

Commun. Workers of Amer. v. Beck - 487 U.S. 735 (1988)

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/487/735/

Seems the union lovers forgot to add this to the list of options.

I wonder why.

February 22, 2014 at 2:59 p.m.
dude_abides said...

TOES02800 said... "do you think that the UAW's influence pushed workers to vote either for or against the UAW? If so, which way and to what extent?"

I see what you did there, toes! Remarkable. Thanks for the link, community organizer! LMAO

February 22, 2014 at 3:21 p.m.
tifosi said...

dude_abides: I do not think it had any effect. The UAW had a table set up in the cafeteria and they had a large office near the productions floors for two weeks. Rarely did I see any employee at either area. I think that people had already made up their mind long before Senator Corker spoke.

I think the "United Obama Workers" billboard had the biggest effect. It made folks more aware of where their union dues would go.

The vast majority of production workers would never vote for a Democrat. They are the very essence of right-wing Republicans when they enter the polls for elections. I think many votes in this decision were more for the organization of a Works Council and not for the UAW. VW is now pursuing the creation of a Works Council without the UAW. They are talking with labor lawyers this week.

Even if the UAW gets the NLRB to set aside the results of this vote, I do not think the UAW will be allowed to campaign again inside VW. The Neutrality Agreement said that if they did not win, they could not campaign VW workers again for a year. That will be a VW decision, not the NLRB. Wolfsburg officials are very divided on the UAW and the influence could swing the other way.

February 22, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Projection hides embarrassment...mmmm....Great device! Awesome strategy!!

February 22, 2014 at 3:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

So, tifosi, you agree it would have been wise for Corker and the other politicians to stay the hell out of it, so as not to give the UAW a foot in the door 'appealwise'?

February 22, 2014 at 3:33 p.m.
jesse said...

DUDE you gonna wrangle around w/tifosi till he drops a nugget on ya??He just said ,IN PLAIN LANGUAGE Corker had no effect on the outcome IN HIS OPINION!!What's it take for that to sink in!!The appeal is goin nowhere!Its a done deal for the foreseeable future!!

February 22, 2014 at 3:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

TOES02800 said... "...mmmm.... Awesome strategy!!"

Strategy? I thought we were discussing VW. What is it I would need strategy for? Kinda silly, in that I wasn't even talking to you to begin with. You kind of 'mother-henned' your way into this thing that now requires "strategy." Any more links you need everybody to see?

February 22, 2014 at 3:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Hi jesse! How you doin' buddy? Pretty day ain't it?

February 22, 2014 at 3:45 p.m.
jesse said...

Hope it stay's this way till summer time!!!!

February 22, 2014 at 3:47 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Me too, jesse. This has to be one of those "Top 5" days of the year. Hope mother nature doesn't drop any more nuggets on us this winter!

February 22, 2014 at 3:52 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesse, don't say "plain english" to an overpaid 8th grade English teacher.

February 22, 2014 at 3:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

...and then came BIG J! The man with the brokeback VW. Obsessing over me?

February 22, 2014 at 4:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

I think that the politicians were the only way to level the playing field. The UAW had a tremendous amount of representation. Volkswagen wanted a democratic vote, but thanks to the Patta brothers influence there was NO representative voice for those that did not want the UAW in our plant. It was not democratic. It was not a level playing field. The UAW had every advantage and they still lost.

Senator Corker chose to sit on the sidelines, but the UAW insisted on provoking him. They kept telling other politicians to be like Sen. Corker and shut up. Bad idea and it back-fired on them. The UAW should have never mentioned his name.

dude_abides: You asked for my opinion using hindsight. At the time I welcomed anyone that would step up and represent the other side or the issue. It is called democracy... just not Patta style.

BTW, Sebastian Patta once told an American manager that he needed to learn German and only speak German. The manager walked out of the plant after that.

February 22, 2014 at 4:18 p.m.
Maximus said...

The simple phrase Hope and Change got Barry The Welfare Pimp elected.....the simple name The Obama UAW sunk the union in Chattanooga! Easy stuff.

February 22, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tifosi... So Corker was for letting the workers vote without his influence before he was against it?

tifosi said... "Sebastian Patta once told an American manager that he needed to learn German and only speak German. The manager walked out of the plant after that."

Is this a story that can be proven, or is it one of those "well, I heard..." stories? Does this manager have a name? I don't think you're lying, I just need more info than "there once was a man who..."

February 22, 2014 at 4:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

dude_ needs more info… bwahahahaha dude_ are you a union member? I need more information.

February 22, 2014 at 4:50 p.m.
tifosi said...

I personally know that manager.

February 22, 2014 at 4:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

So, what's he doing now that he walked off that job? Sadly, I personally know others who've had similar problems there. They may need a union out there.

February 22, 2014 at 4:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

dude_abides said... ...and then came BIG J! The man with the brokeback VW. Obsessing over me?

February 22, 2014 at 4:59 p.m.
soakya said...

"I think that the politicians were the only way to level the playing field."-tifosi

Well, next time they level the playing field you may not be on the side that wins. then we'll see how you feel.

February 22, 2014 at 5:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Spoiler alert…the following will disturb many on here: Ukrainian protesters tore through towns all over their nation, ripping down statues of Vladimir Lenin, the communist dictator who had forced the Ukrainians under the Russian yoke after the Bolshevik revolution.

February 22, 2014 at 5:02 p.m.
tifosi said...

dude_abides - What the hell would a union do for a manager??? That is about the stupidest thing you have said. Patta is the one that got the UAW in.

soakya... sour grapes? Enjoy them.

February 22, 2014 at 5:03 p.m.
dude_abides said...

^^^8th Grade Social Studies lesson. Bwaha, etc.

February 22, 2014 at 5:05 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tifosi... The union would have helped the people I personally know, silly sh!t. With their non-managerial problems, silly sh!t.

February 22, 2014 at 5:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

Comment about the cartoon: The UAW is the one that stuck their balls out on the table to get kicked. Stupid is, as stupid does. They are a dinosaur whose time has come to be extinct.

Adios limp dicks.

February 22, 2014 at 5:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

How would they have helped???

February 22, 2014 at 5:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Sorry, but I have to be as tight lipped as you do about the manager you personally know that walked out when he was told he couldn't speak English. LMAO

February 22, 2014 at 5:11 p.m.
tifosi said...

ROFLMAO!!! Weak, very weak.

Can't even present a logical argument in support of the UAW. Go home little boy.

February 22, 2014 at 5:15 p.m.
soakya said...

sour grapes?? I'm glad it didn't happen. Don't want politicians blaming the union when you lose your job at VW, and you will eventually lose your job at VW. of course you will expect taxpayers to provide you with another job but hopefully by then more taxpayers will be paying attention and you will just be out of luck and a job. just pointing out next time the politicians level the playing field it may not go so good for you.

February 22, 2014 at 5:19 p.m.
tifosi said...

Where did you buy your crystal ball? Walmart?

Soakya is a savant!!! Anyone need him/her to tell your fortune? Jessie... you up for it???

Do you read palms too Soakya???

February 22, 2014 at 5:26 p.m.
AgentX said...

So, part of the point of this cartoon, is to blame the majority of the VW workers at the Chattanooga facility? Because, according to the vote, the majority turned out to be anti-UAW. I think people are ill-informed. There are quite a number of people that would be fine with a union, just not the UAW. A small local union would be fine to create a works-council. What can the UAW offer the employees, that VW hasn't already given them?
The UAW doesn't "make" anything. So where do they get their money? Members. And the latest member count is down below 400K. Top UAW leaders are struggling to keep their lifestyle as the financial support continues to dwindle. So much for the UAW respecting the vote of the employees.

February 22, 2014 at 5:28 p.m.
tifosi said...

We never expected anything less from the UAW. They are losers. They have been for a long time.

February 22, 2014 at 5:31 p.m.
tifosi said...

AgentX... you want your palm reading today?

February 22, 2014 at 5:34 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tifosi... I'm just trying not to call you a bald faced liar, with your silly a$$ed fable. So you're convinced Corker hasn't muddled things, even though you believe the workers would have voted against the union without any external stimuli. Hard to figure your logic, since it looks like the UAW will use Corker's (and others') interference as a base for their appeal.

Please, more name calling (which you initiated), it makes me feel superior.

February 22, 2014 at 5:42 p.m.
tifosi said...

Call me a "bald faced liar". Do you really think I give a shyte? You seem to really think I give a f*ck what you think anymore. BWAHAHAHA!!!

February 22, 2014 at 5:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You don't get it, Tiffy. Dude_ is enlightened.

February 22, 2014 at 5:52 p.m.
tifosi said...

Dude is looking a lot like the UAW holding his balls while lying on the floor after they got stomped.

February 22, 2014 at 5:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

...and then came BIG J! The man with the brokeback VW. Obsessing over me?

February 22, 2014 at 5:55 p.m.
tifosi said...

DUDE ... Is it your left or right testicle that hurts the most? Get back up and let me kick you again. :)

Nevermind... a loser is still a loser.

February 22, 2014 at 5:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tifosi... Steady on, brother. You're starting to spiral. Your right wing is losing feathers. tifosi and Corker gritting their teeth, praying for Crossblue!

February 22, 2014 at 6:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

More name calling... and now, prurient interest in my testes!

February 22, 2014 at 6:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dude_, did I miss your reply re your union status? Obsessing.

February 22, 2014 at 6:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

My "right wing" is UAW free.

Prurient interest in your misery. S&M baby. :)

February 22, 2014 at 6:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tifosi... you mean Schadenfreude, don't you? Oh, sh!t! Don't walk out! LMAO You can speak English here and there!

February 22, 2014 at 6:19 p.m.
jesse said...

I wish Al was on here then i could jump in his sh!t about somethin!!!

Everybody sure got onerey all of a sudden!!

February 22, 2014 at 6:24 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Sorry, jesse, will this be the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

February 22, 2014 at 6:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

UAW President Bob King has said he realizes that any deal has to work “for our employers.” Volkswagen, meanwhile, is aiding the UAW’s effort to represent the workers in wage and benefits bargaining in return for a promise the union will cede its authority to a German-style “works council.”

A works council is established by plant employees but paid for by the employer to negotiate factory-specific conditions, such as bonuses, daily work hours and codes of conduct. Bargaining for wages and benefits is done by an industry-level union.

This environment is intensified by the National Labor Relations Act requirement that the employer negotiate terms and conditions of employment with the workers’ union as their exclusive bargaining representative. The German model of dual representation -- with an industry wide union required by law and plant-level works councils negotiating workplace terms of employment -- is inconsistent with U.S. law.

In fact, the act’s broadly worded “company union” prohibition has been interpreted as barring the establishment of works councils altogether. In a 1994 case involving Electromation Inc., the NLRB, building on a 1959 Supreme Court ruling, found that the law prohibits the creation of any employer-assisted organ that engages in bilateral communications with employees on wages, hours or working conditions.

How does this legal obstacle affect the negotiations at VW’s Chattanooga plant? It means that the UAW’s promise to cede its authority to a German-style works council is empty. Union officials must know such an arrangement is prohibited by U.S. law; the plant’s workers who think otherwise run the risk of being duped.

By Peter Schaumber - who was a chairman of the National Labor Relations Board

Any real union member should condemn the UAW for “promising to cede its authority to a German-style works council”. Any VW employee that doesn’t want the union to represent them should sue the company and the union for criminal conspiracy or even under the RICO laws. The both of them clearly represented falsehoods to the workers to entice them to approve the union. Somebody ought to go to jail for this con.

February 22, 2014 at 7:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesse, like. bad penny, Alpo will turn up.

February 22, 2014 at 7:53 p.m.
rick1 said...

JT posted: The both of them clearly represented falsehoods to the workers to entice them to approve the union. Somebody ought to go to jail for this con.

I agree and Obama and Holder need to go to jail as well.

February 22, 2014 at 8:04 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, Al is studying for his CPA exam.

February 22, 2014 at 8:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rick, bwahahaha

February 22, 2014 at 8:39 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

ConMan, those are all modern-English translations (most likely translated in a way to support a misguided agenda). From the KJV:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

Where's the word homosexual?

Now leave me alone and go bug someone else.

February 22, 2014 at 9:27 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

HATS OFF TO THE YAHOOS AND HILLBILLIES

U.S. States with the lowest household median incomes:

Mississippi comes in at 50 - dead last - followed by Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina. Alabama and North Carolina help round out the bottom 10.

Of the 10 highest ranked states for median income Virginia is the only southern state.

Way to go yahoos and hillbillies! You got a good thing going with your god and your guns and your freedom and for Jesus' sake keep them dad burn unions outta here! None of their dad burn business how much money you don’t make or health insurance you don’t got. NO SIREE! Somebody said unions are communists, right?

Most of you clowns get paid exactly what your boss says you’re worth and if you don’t like it go flip burgers somewhere else.

You can lead a DUMB A$$ to water but it doesn’t mean he won’t die of thirst.

February 22, 2014 at 10:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey backwater, does your mom know you're a literary critic? I mean really. That sounds so, you know, like, effeminate.

February 22, 2014 at 10:56 p.m.
TheCommander said...

Tifosi, You said Soakya had a crystal Ball, but he doesn't need one. History is a good guide: I guess you know VW came to western, PA to build the rabbit on taxpayer money and left town after 10 years. Today's car market is much more competitive and is a shrinking market. The SUV is moving toward the end of its cycle and will go the way of the minivan and NOW VW is just going to enter the market? Honestly, they are just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks. Do you know why? Because they can. They can since they did not invest their own money. I will risk other people's money all day long. I hope I am wrong, but I know I am not. Get some good experience and get your resume ready.

You saw the massive decline in Passat sales? Those initial sales were just pipeline sales. There simply is no room for VW in the American car market on a large scale. They would never have come here if they had to spend their own money. That's what's wrong with the public/private partnership we keep hearing is so good for us.

February 22, 2014 at 11:19 p.m.
rick1 said...

Of course Blackwater, failed to mention 9 of the 10 most expensive States to live in are blue states.

  1. HAWAII Avg. Home Price (Honolulu Metro): $742,166 Half Gallon of Milk: $3.41 Pound of Ground Beef: $3.99 Monthly Energy Bill: $333.51 Doctor Visit: $101.80 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #50 (Most Expensive)

  2. ALASKA Avg. Home Price (Anchorage Metro): $467,553 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.41 Pound of Ground Beef: $4.08 Monthly Energy Bill: $169.84 Doctor Visit: $159.20 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #49 (2nd Most Expensive)

  3. CONNECTICUT Avg. Home Price (Stamford Metro): $585,000 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.77 Pound of Ground Beef: $4.07 Monthly Energy Bill: $236.01 Doctor Visit: $114.55 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #48 (3rd Most Expensive)

  4. NEW YORK Avg. Home Price (Manhattan): $1,351,400 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.42 Pound of Ground Beef: $4.71 Monthly Energy Bill: $237.01 Doctor Visit: $96.00 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #47 (4th Most Expensive)

  5. NEW JERSEY Avg. Home Price (Bergen-Passaic Metro): $557,145 Half Gallon of Milk: $3.79 Pound of Ground Beef: $3.43 Monthly Energy Bill: $252.39 Doctor Visit: $103.20 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #46 (5th Most Expensive)

  6. CALIFORNIA Avg. Home Price (San Francisco Metro): $823,429 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.39 Pound of Ground Beef: $3.24 Monthly Energy Bill: $165.55 Doctor Visit: $130.57 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #45 (6th Most Expensive)

  7. RHODE ISLAND Avg. Home Price (Providence Metro): $371,000 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.91 Pound of Ground Beef: $4.07 Monthly Energy Bill: $233.53 Doctor Visit: $149.00 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #44 (7th Most Expensive)

  8. MASSACHUSETTS Avg. Home Price (Boston Metro): $478,200 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.71 Pound of Ground Beef: $4.29 Monthly Energy Bill: $248.63 Doctor Visit: $149.00 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #43 (8th Most Expensive)

  9. MARYLAND Avg. Home Price (Bethesda-Gaithersburg-Frederick Metro): $577,834 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.59 Pound of Ground Beef: $3.39 Monthly Energy Bill: $205.44 Doctor Visit: $83.60 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #42 (9th Most Expensive) 2013 Cost of Living Score: 9 (out of 50) 2012 Cost of Living Rank: #43

  10. VERMONT Avg. Home Price (Burlington Metro): $396,146 Half Gallon of Milk: $2.25 Pound of Ground Beef: $4.19 Monthly Energy Bill: $248.71 Doctor Visit: $111.23 2013 Cost of Living Rank: #41 (10th Most Expensive)

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February 22, 2014 at 11:34 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

PLAIN STUPID

My mother is dead, but thanks for asking.

Does your mom know you're a pretty good burger flipper?

And once again, Bro, without response you're reduced to name calling.

As far as your 'effeminate' comment:

I know you are but what am I?:

February 22, 2014 at 11:37 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Good night, buttwater, hope the dogs at the trailer park don't keep you awake.

February 22, 2014 at 11:38 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

120 FEET OF WATERFRONT PROPERTY

Sorry, Joe. We live in a deed restricted neighborhood. No trailers.

On some nights, though, the frogs sound like the Hallelujah Chorus!

February 22, 2014 at 11:42 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

THERE'S REAL GLASS IN THEM THAR WINDERS

Yeah Rick, the cost of living is higher up north.

They got indoor plumbing, too.

February 22, 2014 at 11:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

backwater. you insult the entire South, then have the balls to say I'm a name caller. Nice.

February 22, 2014 at 11:55 p.m.
rick1 said...

BW if the south is so bad why don't you leave Florida and move up north?

February 23, 2014 at 12:01 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WRONG ARGUMENT, BOYS

I don't hate southerns and I didn't insult the entire south.

I'm amazed how some of you guys fight so hard to keep low paying jobs without a future.

I pointed out that southern states are at the rock bottom with median household incomes and you couldn't respond to THAT so you cracked wise about my dead mom and suggest I'm gay... I guess. (Not sure what you were suggesting)

The south is great. I either owned or co-owned several businesses over the years which is how I retired early.

I'm also amazed how some of you guys see people earning more money as the enemy.

February 23, 2014 at 12:50 a.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger said...

ConMan, those are all modern-English translations (most likely translated in a way to support a misguided agenda). From the KJV: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God.” Where's the word homosexual? Now leave me alone and go bug someone else.

==================================

You seem to be trying to out do others here in defending the gross sin of Homosexuality/sodomy. Are you a Homosexual?

So you quote the King James translation from the original Greek. The King James was a translation for the people of that day. It uses euphemisms such "as abusers of themselves with mankind" instead of Homosexual. The King James also used the euphemism "know" for sexual relations between a man and a woman.

Furthermore, you are not even quoting the original 1611 King James. It was written in Early Modern English and is almost unrecognizable to us today.

Furthermore, scores of Biblical scholars were involved in the modern translations which I provided for you at 9:04 a.m. yesterday. You obviously don't know more than them nor do I.

You really are not very good at defending the gross sin of Homosexuality/sodomy are you?

February 23, 2014 at 7:34 a.m.
rick1 said...

BW posted :I pointed out that southern states are at the rock bottom with median household incomes and you couldn't respond to THAT so you cracked wise about my dead mom and suggest I'm gay... I guess. (Not sure what you were suggesting)"

I did respond and pointed out the top ten most expensive States to live in were not in the south. These States also have very high tax rates which the southern states do not have.

You said the "the south is great. I either owned or co-owned several businesses over the years which is how I retired early."

I bet you would not have been as successful in the States that are the most expensive paying higher taxes and wages to your employees either.

I don't hate southerns and I didn't insult the entire south."

You are a bigot.

February 23, 2014 at 8:23 a.m.
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