published Tuesday, February 25th, 2014

Ukraine

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Make that a bald eagle and the glove one of BO's nike golf gloves.

February 25, 2014 at 12:11 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

OH, BROTHER

This guy is mailing it in. Not another pro-democracy cartoon illustrating how the freedom loving Ukrainian people, seeking closer ties with the West, overthrew a murderous dictator with close ties with Moscow.

Yawn.

February 25, 2014 at 12:18 a.m.
nucanuck said...

So what would have been worse: enduring the utter corruption of Yanukovych until the next election or the inevitable chaos and probable further bloodshed in a now strongly divided country that likely cannot be put back together again?

One way or another Russia will end up with either outright control of, or a tight relationship with, eastern Ukraine. That is the economically healthier part of Ukraine. Should western Ukraine opt to align with Europe, Europe would get Chernoble and the poor fractious part of Ukraine with millions of hungry people. The western mutineers would likely become similar to disastrous Greece, an economic basket case, because the EU is not going to be more generous with part of Ukraine than with other needy countries in Europe.

The US and the EU helped orchestrate this disaster with their geopolitical gamesmanship and dirty under-the-table intervention, now what can they salvage from this ugly mess?

February 25, 2014 at 12:42 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WAIT, WHAT?

Canuck of the north, what are you saying? That without EU sanctions and the tactic support of the White House, Viktor Yanukovych would still be running the show?

His days were numbered when the people decided that it was better to die for freedom than it was to live without. I'm not disputing your economic analysis; I just don't think the EU or the US had much influence one way or the other.

You can't beat a crowd that is willing to get shot to be heard.

February 25, 2014 at 12:57 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Nunchuk seems to put the U.S. as the cause of all evils of the world.

Please enlighten us on how it's the fault of the U.S.

February 25, 2014 at 3:27 a.m.
nucanuck said...

b48,

My guess is that the already rebellious factions in Western Ukraine were emboldened by cash and encouragement from black operations from the EU and the US. This is not new. By one report the US has spent up to $5 billion over a period of years on this and other efforts in Eastern Europe. We all saw the cell phone exchange between the US Ambassador and the Assistant Secretary of State directly interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine.

I doubt that this rebellion would have happened without that interference. The people knew that new elections were only a year away. The fringe Social Right party in Western Ukraine is basically hard right nazi. They took over what might have remained a peaceful movement and provoked the debacle that the world witnessed. Now the law of unintended consequences is at the feet of the US and EU.

Empires just don't know when to back off it seems. Syria wasn't spontaneous. Neither was Libya. Those that aren't pliant client states are targeted for upheaval. The US and the West are desperately trying to hold it together in these last days of empire. They have bought a little time since 2008, but the clock is running down fast.

Freedom didn't have a damn thing to do with this whole mess…that's the propaganda line…nothing more, IMO. The Catholic half of Ukraine probably yearned for the higher standard of living in Western Europe, but lack of freedom wasn't the complaint. Orthodox Eastern Ukraine is basically Russian and wants to stay that way.

What we don't see here in the West is that Russia is an ascending country. Oh, she still has a long way to go, but she is ascending while the West is descending. We don't like to admit that, but that is what is happening.

February 25, 2014 at 3:29 a.m.
nucanuck said...

toejam, you may be past enlightenment.

February 25, 2014 at 3:30 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

nucanuck, TOES seems to think Obama is the cause of all evils of the US.

February 25, 2014 at 7:04 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Comrade Nuc says Russia is the ascending country, and the West (US & W.Europe) is descending. Tell that to the run of the mill Rooski, Nuc.

February 25, 2014 at 7:07 a.m.

Russia is cracking down on critics of it's government. If anyone thinks Putin is not the same KGB creep he used to be, you're naive. BO couldn't care less about democracy, his past screams communism and free speech seems to make his skin crawl. How much time has he spent bitching about having to deal with congress and those that don't agree with him.

Bennett recognizes the effort of the Ukranian people to be free, but he constantly puts down those that want to be free in this country.

February 25, 2014 at 7:55 a.m.

Where's the outrage about surveillance, what the FCC is trying to do(even though they've backed, but will pick it up later for sure), the intrusion into your lives by BOcare, the extra-legal and extra- Constitutional actives of BO, the lawlessness of siding with illegal aliens over citizens, and this administrations covert and overt attacks on free speech. We have a president that openly states that he can do what he wants. Sounds like BO is a wannabe Putin. How about he moves to Russia and gets groomed to take over for Putin.

February 25, 2014 at 8:05 a.m.
Maximus said...

Obama and John Kerry and of course Hillary are the absolute worst foreign policy leaders of all time. As found in a recent and well respected international poll the world has very little respect for Barry The Welfare Pimp.

Obama's foreign policy.....neutrality, weakness, and a tee time. You people that voted for this low rate community organizer are being exposed for what you are, useful idiots of the radical pagan left. We'll ya'll are going down for the count come November. :).

February 25, 2014 at 8:23 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

PT - nice. Might I suggest where your head may reside?

February 25, 2014 at 10:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

sure diggs. where?

February 25, 2014 at 10:57 a.m.
nucanuck said...

PT, you are right that the average Russian outside of Moscow still has life pretty hard. That doesn't change the fact that Russia bottomed in 1989 and has made substantial progress since. Perception often lags reality and we in the West don't want to acknowledge that our old cold war adversary has stepped up her game, but she has. Witness the two recent negotiations with Syria and Iran. Russia showed real leadership skills while the West rattled sabres.

If we were to make a geopolitical guess about future winners, probably China, Germany, and Russia would top the list of countries that are likely to be world leaders in another decade. The US will almost assuredly have lost it's place as world hegemon. That is probably a good thing because the US needs to focus on the US, not solving/creating problems throughout the world.

February 25, 2014 at 10:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Nuc. Plenty of evidence Russia is still Russia. Totalitaranism still there under Comrade Putin. He will reconstitute the Soviet Union if possible. We've got to show our allies in the Baltics -- Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia…even Poland, that we have their back. Maybe you trust the Sovs…not me.

February 25, 2014 at 11:11 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

PT - it's every bit as dark as a hole in the sand and requires more contortions than sticking your head in the sand.

February 25, 2014 at 11:13 a.m.
nucanuck said...

PT,

I'm not singing Russia's praise, but I do try to acknowledge reality. Russia is an energy powerhouse in a world starved for energy. They are leveraging that strength into building a stronger country, to no one's surprise. The Ukraine is the Russian heartland, they will not let the eastern part slip away without WWIII, count on it.

What has happened in the Baltics and the rest of Eastern Europe was the reversal of an uncomfortable arranged marriage, post-WWII. Russia knows that and is very unlikely to challenge that new reality. Putin is a geopolitical chess player and a very good one. The West fomented this dust-up and now will have to scramble to avoid yet another embarrassment, JMO.

February 25, 2014 at 12:10 p.m.
jesse said...

Obama can't even play geopolitical checkers!

Way out of his league buttin heads w/Putin!!

Unless of course he likes havin a bloody nose!!

February 25, 2014 at 12:26 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama might not be the cause of ALL evils in the U.S., but he is the worst prez in modern history.

Hell, even Jimmy Carter probably thinks he's the worst prez since Jimmy Carter.

while the poser golfs, the world laughs.

February 25, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.

Yeah, yeah, the USA/west is always to blame for everything. Russia is a hell of lot older than the US, and these conflict go way, way, way back. Russia is still the Soviet Union. It's only been Russia again, since what, 1989? It was the U.S.S.R for 80 years before that.

February 25, 2014 at 2:57 p.m.

TOES you're right. He may be the worst president ever. There's never been a president with such open disdain for our Constitution ( "a charter of negative liberties"). He constantly, and openly, wishes he could do it alone/just have his way. This country was founded by people who wanted to protect the people from a tyrannical government. He either doesn't understand it or he doesn't give a damn. He's as bad a President as George Washington was a great one. Can you imagine if BO was our first president? We would be just another crappy country in the world.

February 25, 2014 at 3:26 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

He's a communis, he's un'merican, he hates da conestutushun, he's a dictater, he's a muslim, he was burn in Kenya, he hates Gawd, he's distroyen 'merica, werse prezident ever, etc.

More braying from the right wing nuttery.

February 25, 2014 at 4:27 p.m.
Ki said...

Is America Supporting Return of Neo-Nazism In Unkraine?

Does the U.S. even bother to check who their friends or foe are before jumping into other countries fights?

salon/excerpt:

"As the Euromaidan protests in the Ukrainian capitol of Kiev culminated this week, displays of open fascism and neo-Nazi extremism became too glaring to ignore. Since demonstrators filled the downtown square to battle Ukrainian riot police and demand the ouster of the corruption-stained, pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovich, it has been filled with far-right streetfighting men pledging to defend their country’s ethnic purity."

"White supremacist banners and Confederate flags were draped inside Kiev’s occupied City Hall, and demonstrators have hoisted Nazi SS and white power symbols over a toppled memorial to V.I. Lenin. After Yanukovich fled his palatial estate by helicopter, EuroMaidan protesters destroyed a memorial to Ukrainians who died battling German occupation during World War II. Sieg heil salutes and the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol have become an increasingly common site in Maidan Square, and neo-Nazi forces have established “autonomous zones” in and around Kiev."

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/

February 25, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

More Tennesse idiocy.

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/politics/2014/02/24/bill-shields-school-religious-displays-from-suits/5795307/

Great, we can crowd the school grounds with manger scenes, pentagrams, crosses, icons, stars of David, vrescent moon and star, flying spaghetti monsters, etc.

Conservative lunacy continues unabated.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/americas-50-worst-state-legislatures

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/georgia-senate-gets-52-minute-briefing-united-nations-takeover

February 25, 2014 at 6:45 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

How does any of this have to do with preserving a woman's right to have an abortion, or to give free stuff to minority people who don't work, or who have lousy jobs because they didn't study in school, or to bring in more illegal aliens?

Those are the only issues that matter. All the rest is just noise.

February 25, 2014 at 7:51 p.m.
jesse said...

Dog, that's what this place is all about(NOISE) EVEN THO there are several on here that seem to think that a copy of this toon along w/the comments are part of the Pres's morning briefing!!

February 25, 2014 at 8:24 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

It's the Ukraine, let them work it our how they may. It is their business, not ours.

February 25, 2014 at 11:25 p.m.
nucanuck said...

You are right, IM, but that is not how geopolitics is played. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a world of smaller countries, none powerful enough to to want to assemble an empire. Imagine a whole world of Denmarks, Singapores, Irelands, New Zealands, and Switzerlands. When you get over 8-10 million people you break in two…keep them all small.

Ah, dreams.

February 26, 2014 at 12:01 a.m.
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