published Wednesday, July 9th, 2014

The Syringe

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

wonder how many right-wing sympathizers are going to weigh in with their reasons why our current medical system needs nothing at all in the way of reform.

Then they will offer that anyone who currently has no health insurance is a bum and deserves no assistance from ObamaCare.

Then we'll hear from those who truly believe that ObamaCare is going to bankrupt the nation.

In the meantime, reform is still underway, more and more are finding their way through the insurance maze, and ObamaCare is taking root in ground from where it cannot be pulled up.

Isn't life fun?

July 9, 2014 at 12:16 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

The bottom line to your wonder is this; They are happy tp pay into their employer's plan for reasonably good coverage; but they are vehemently opposed to the idea that everyone deserves reasonable medical care. Watch as the protests come in. You will read, why should I help any person get health care? Why should the government requirer all persons to get health care so the cost per capita drops? For me to get health care am I sustaining some low life who doesn't work get health insurance?

The solution you will hear folks like z-bister and connie and others say is, "Let them eat cake, get a job, quit leaching on me. Why should I have to subscribe to that evil African American, muslim President's health care plan. Nothing he proposes can possibly be constructive, and on and on and on. Besides he is the anti-Christ anyway."

July 9, 2014 at 12:54 a.m.
Landgrabbr said...

Oh my god! Did you use the word devil, coon, towelhead and Jesus in the same paragraph? Crap, you have unleashed the wrath of the Neck Klan. Now, will begin the spewing of venom, hatred and intolerance derailing the topic at hand. Thank god, it is boring anyway...

What were we talking about?

July 9, 2014 at 1:08 a.m.
Reardon said...

Al:

What conditions brought about the loss of your limb (correct me if I'm wrong)? Serious question.

Health care was reasonably accessible to indigents pre-AFA -- just ask Erlanger's CFO.

Reform doesn't mean, "Throw more of someone else's money at the problem" without regard to WHO's money is being thrown at, and WHY it is or isn't ethical to do so in the first place. That's typically the Progressive solution.

Unfortunately, Republicans, who are constantly outmaneuvered by Democrats and always on the defensive, continue to bumble and fail to produce any sort of alternative, creative, liberty-minded solution to the health care problem.

July 9, 2014 at 6:21 a.m.
fairmon said...

The intent is good, everyone should have access to adequate healthcare at a reasonable cost. However, the method or the as passed affordable health care act sucks and actually favors the insurers and providers more than the insured. The stupid republicans talk and talk but failed to insist on implementation as the law was written and scheduled which would have doomed it and required a better plan. Welfare programs such as the ACA, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, affordable housing etc. etc. should not be included in the general fund but accounted for separately and people taxed enough to fund them. There is no incentive for those getting a free ride to spend wisely, prevent abuse, misuse and fraud. Drugging, drinking and obesity are at epidemic levels and costing a healthcare fortune with no penalty to abusers.

July 9, 2014 at 6:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Reardon wrote: "Al: What conditions brought about the loss of your limb (correct me if I'm wrong)? Serious question."

It was due to a bug very similar to a staff infection. The bacterium caused an abscess, which when it burst, sent deadly gaseous gangrene surging up my body from my foot.

By the time it was found, the leg had to be amputated to save my life. It took two cuts to get the job done.

"Health care was reasonably accessible to indigents pre-AFA -- just ask Erlanger's CFO."

Absolutely. I am one of those people. I was uninsured last November, when this all happened.

"Reform doesn't mean, "Throw more of someone else's money at the problem" without regard to WHO's money is being thrown at, and WHY it is or isn't ethical to do so in the first place. That's typically the Progressive solution."

You offer this as if taxpayers are not already footing the bills for indigent and the uninsurable care today.

My amputation alone was more than $100,000 by the time I had completed the three week hospitalization. The bills are still sitting on my desk.

Georgia turned me down for Medicare (I have an Attorney working on it).

"Unfortunately, Republicans, who are constantly outmaneuvered by Democrats and always on the defensive, continue to bumble and fail to produce any sort of alternative, creative, liberty-minded solution to the health care problem."

Now that SIR, is a sensible statement, and I'm glad to read it coming from you. This too is my criticism of the Republican Party as well, and until they begin to work for all people, I refuse to support them in any manner.

July 9, 2014 at 7:22 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Drugging, drinking and obesity are at epidemic levels and costing a healthcare fortune with no penalty to abusers."

Yet we have a First Lady, who is fervently trying to educate children to steer away from bad eating habits, and what does right-wing and Libertarian America do?

They condemn the woman for invading privacy rights.

If parents are not seeing to it that kids are not adopting good eating habits early in life, someone else must step up to the plate to help.

Look...I was not raised to eat the wrong things. My mother fixed good meals. My bad eating habits edged their way into the picture as a young adult.

My profession led to severe sedentary habits. For many years, fast food was almost every meal. I was always on the go. It simply got out of control.

By the time I realized what I was doing to myself, I suppose it was too late, but I changed my eating habits dramatically.

I've lost 155 lbs from my heaviest point. I am almost blood pressure medicine free. I use no less than half of the diabetic controlling medicine I used to use.

My A1C is 6.0 and has been there for a year. When I started, my A1C was 13.0

I rarely eat fast food. I eat home cooked meals twice a day, and I rarely ever get hungry.

At one point in my life, I'd be eating a meal and planning the next one. Food used to run my life. It was pitiful.

I would have probably died a couple of years ago, had I not started getting control of my health. As it is, I've been through hell to where I am now, and I have every reason to believe I will live a longer life than the one I was destined for a few years ago.

July 9, 2014 at 7:38 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

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July 9, 2014 at 8:28 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Drugging, drinking and obesity are at epidemic levels and costing a healthcare fortune with no penalty to abusers."

Agree with you there, but as Alprova just commented, if someone mentions healthier lunches or taking the vending machines out of the schools, Fox News makes it their top news story. How peoples' rights are being compromised. In NY, there was outrage when the mayor wanted a limit on the size of soda cups. It's very similar to when a smoker goes on a rant about their rights. The eating habits by a large portion of Americans are troubling. Pastors and other religious figures could do their congregation a favor by speaking of this behavior instead of encouraging the congregation to head out to Ryan's or Golden Corral after the service. But I guess gay-bashing is more entertaining for the audience.

July 9, 2014 at 9:16 a.m.
Ki said...

fairmon, medicare is not welfare. People on medicare pay monthly premiums the same as anyone with private coverage. Under the ACA most who sign up will pay a monthly premium. They will now have better choices, better coverage at a cheaper rate. If republicans had their way, citizens without medical insurance who got sick or was injured and sought medical help would get patched up or stabilized at the emergency room then carted off to jail or prison for being uninsured. The same as someone without car insurance can now be arrested during a routine traffic stop. That wasn't suppose to be the case either. But someone ( fill in blank) went in and did some tweaking. Now Americans can go to jail, lose their driver license for failure to have car insurance much quicker than a drunk or drugged out driver who goes out and injure or kill someone driving while drunk or stoned.

July 9, 2014 at 9:19 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gassy, who is bashing gays?

On another note, they say (correctly) that Thad Cochran is slipping. How about old Harry Reid? ...‚ÄúPeople are going to have to walk down here and vote, and if they vote with the five men on the Supreme Court, I think it‚Äôs ‚ÄĒ they‚Äôre going to have ‚ÄĒ be treated unfavorably come November with the elections,‚ÄĚ Reid told reporters on Tuesday, according to ABC. The Senate will act soon to ‚Äúensure that women‚Äôs lives are not determined by virtue of five white men, Reid added.

July 9, 2014 at 9:32 a.m.
timbo said...

Health care is not a right, especially when, I for one, want to retain the freedom to eat what I want, have bad habits if I want, and die early if I want. If the government takes over health care they will dictate everything for "our on good."

This is the usual liberal "we want the same forced outcome" no matter what it costs. I know that fiscal issues are beneath the perfect liberal but money doesn't grow on trees. It grows from wealth building done by the people you liberals like to criticize. I wish your employers knew how much you loath them. Why don't you walk into their office and tell them?

There was nothing wrong with our health care system. When the liberals started barking about the 30 million poor who needed health care, the cost would have been around 25 billion dollars to expand medicaid. The Republicans should have yelled yes, ..yes... 25 billion is a lot less than the trillion dollar debacle that we now have....but alas, the Republican establishment is as dumb as any liberal that has ever lived. They are just the other side of a bad penny.

July 9, 2014 at 10:14 a.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger

You can deny the word of God, but you can't refute the word of God!

No Homosexual/sodomite will inherit the kingdom of God, Gaussianteger!

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

July 9, 2014 at 10:30 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

well, ok, Gassy. Except for him.

July 9, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
timbo said...

What is a "reviler?"

July 9, 2014 at 10:35 a.m.
timbo said...

conservative.. Tone it down a little...this doesn't help.

July 9, 2014 at 10:36 a.m.
conservative said...

Help what?

July 9, 2014 at 10:39 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

He can't help it. He's a delusional, closet queen.

July 9, 2014 at 10:41 a.m.
Plato said...

The governor's decision not to take money from Washington for Medicaid, that was sent there by Tennessee tax payers has to one of the most bone-headed and irresponsible decisions every made by a politician, and purely on political grounds to pander to the Tea Party.

The people that are getting screwed here are working class folks that have no employer-based health care plans, but earn too much to qualify for TenCare. So what you have here is not only a moral issue - allowing people to become gravely sick and even die due to lack of preventive care, but also a financial issue by driving people to eventually seek treatment at an emergency room, at astronomical costs, which eventually get passed on to the those that pay for insurance and the taxpayers.

I hope people use this issue as a reason to throw the governor out on his ear, and thereby ending his own free, government paid-for health care.

July 9, 2014 at 11:12 a.m.
timbo said...

conservative...This is a political page, not religious.

July 9, 2014 at 11:18 a.m.
timbo said...

Plato...dream on...I don't particularly like Haslam, he is not conservative enough, but there is no chance anyone can beat him.

If he accepts federal money, he will have to accept their rules.

July 9, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.
conservative said...

Tmbo;

Are you serious?

Have you not been reading?

"Religion" is very political.

Now the vulgarity and slander may not be political but you would have to take that up with the others.

July 9, 2014 at 11:28 a.m.
conservative said...

Timbo

The Supreme Court just had a ruling concerning religion (Hobby Lobby).

There has been and will continue to be a lot of discussion on that!

July 9, 2014 at 11:36 a.m.

Do as I Say, not as I do. That's Michelle Obama's motto.

July 9, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
timbo said...

conservative...that has a political component...my dad was a minister..he used to tell me that yelling and chastising people who don't agree with you is counterproductive. It obscures some of the good points you make.

These people are not going to agree with your religious views, no matter what.

July 9, 2014 at 11:46 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

But Tom, would it give the Left that feeeel good feeling?. .On the same day President Obama asked Congress for $3.7 billion dollars to deal with the crisis at the Southwest border, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) called it "the wrong approach."

"Look, for $8 million, we can put them all on a first-class seat back to their homes. That's $8 million. That's a first-class seat, one way, to each of their homes," Coburn told CNN's "Crossfire" on Tuesday.

July 9, 2014 at 12:12 p.m.

Looks like Tennessee is supposed to restrict bake sales in schools per some dumb ass fed. legislation "inspired" by Mooseshelle O. It dictates how many they can have. Screw her.

She and BO wolf down whatever they want and whenever they want.

July 9, 2014 at 12:35 p.m.
conservative said...

Timbo

"These people are not going to agree with your religious views, no matter what."

And I am not going to agree with theirs.

I write and point others to God's truth.

It also warns others who may be fooled by them.

Why do you write?

Do you think you are changing any minds to your point of view?

July 9, 2014 at 12:40 p.m.
conservative said...

10 years for Ray Nagin, the flood master of New Orleans!

July 9, 2014 at 12:43 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Do as I Say, not as I do. That's Michelle Obama's motto."

What do you base that upon? More utter ignorance?

You're not going to find any pictures of the woman eating fried chicken and gulping down sodas.

She most certainly does live the life she is trying to get others to live.

She's raising her daughters to eat right.

This First Lady has less baggage than any we have had in the past three decades and all you can do is lie about the woman.

You're nothing but a bigoted pig.

July 9, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.
alprova said...

Conservative wishes he knew God's truth.

July 9, 2014 at 1:29 p.m.
timbo said...

conservative... your right, I am not....just giving a little unsolicited advice. You have every right to say what you want...I won't mention it again.

July 9, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.
conservative said...

Timbo

As a Minister's son you know that using the word of God will often smoke out those who are opposed to Him.

Over the years I have smoked out many of those here.

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova, is one and by far the worst.

AS a Minister's son you know the following quotes (some of many) by him, reveal himself as an anti Christ and blasphemer, as none other I have ever witnessed in my life:

"Jesus sinned"

"Jesus cannot be God"

"I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath."

"And again, you fail to include the scripture I cited that proves that Jesus himself did not consider himself to be perfect and without sin."

"The Bible never has been the word of God and you will never make it so."

Those are only a small sample.

Anyone viewing this site has now been warmed by this man and may even know him.

Why bother? He has professed to be a Christian!

July 9, 2014 at 2:06 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova....I don't know about her eating habits, her butt is pretty wide. I would have to admit, it isn't as bad as Hillary's, hers looks like a sack full of broken up concrete blocks.

People should eat what they want. Michelle needs to keep out of our kitchen. Her "initiative" is none of her business. The Fed's telling local school districts what to eat is wrong.

I noticed your new policy of not calling names didn't last too long.

July 9, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^ What, you expected honesty?

July 9, 2014 at 2:23 p.m.
timbo said...

oh, well...

July 9, 2014 at 2:29 p.m.
Plato said...

timbo said...

"Plato...dream on...I don't particularly like Haslam, he is not conservative enough, but there is no chance anyone can beat him."

timbo - You're probably right about that. There are enough sheepel to keep checking off the "R" boxes without bothering to read or think.

July 9, 2014 at 2:32 p.m.

Alprova LOL

What an ass kisser. You're stupid accusations mean zero to me.

Lobster Lasagna, a chocolate fountain, Cokes and a bunch of other really bad stuff for you were the contents of a meal she had while back a restaurant.

You're not fooling anyone with your slavish loyalty to these narcissists.

BO, some heart he has. He will not go down to the border and visit "the children"..but he has time to play pool, raise money for the DNC.

Fraud and a liar.

You and other libs trying to paint a good picture of this is truly' comical.

July 9, 2014 at 2:51 p.m.

OOOO...I'm supposed be scared because Alpy calls me a bigot.

Don't you have a photo of BO to kiss?

"She's raising her daughters to eat right" LOL How do you know? Are you there all the time? What a stupid, vacuous talking point.

You're not going to see any pictures of her eating greasy, fatty and sugary foods because she won't allow it.

BO, however, has been photographed eating all kinds of garbage. I bet he gets it from her when he gets home.

Saint's BO and MO are role models for us all. Frauds and narcissists.

July 9, 2014 at 3:03 p.m.

You libs see everything in terms of race. You label any kind of criticism of BO or the liberal agenda as racist. Your race card is worthless. You got nothing else except bullying and muzzling.

July 9, 2014 at 3:05 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Z-fister When you talk like a duck, walk like a duck and look like a duck, your are a duck. Saying you are not racist does not make it so.

July 9, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

You lefticrats are way overplaying the race card. Has it become 2nd nature?

July 9, 2014 at 3:14 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

At first glance, I thought it was Jay Carney. .https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/486683935296872449/photo/1

July 9, 2014 at 3:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie wrote: "As a Minister's son you know that using the word of God will often smoke out those who are opposed to Him."

"Over the years I have smoked out many of those here."

At last!!! The cat is out of the bag. It is the goal of some Christian minded people to use the Bible to turn people away from God.

And Connie stated it clearly.

"Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova, is one and by far the worst."

Connie truly believes he knows the heart and soul of everyone but himself, based on sentences typed into a forum, not one of which he can personally refute or prove to be in error.

"Anyone viewing this site has now been warmed by this man and may even know him."

I know a great many people. Most are keenly aware of my religious leanings and beliefs. And you know what? I'm still like very much despite your assessment of my Christianity.

You act as if there has never been two Christians to ever disagree on the Bible. I dare offer that there are millions of Christians who disagree on the Bible.

"Why bother? He has professed to be a Christian!"

I am a Christian. I'm just not your kind of Christian, and I never will be, nor will you be one I will ever agree with.

I accept that. You don't seem able to do so.

July 9, 2014 at 3:36 p.m.

inq, water off a ducks back.

Liberals are racists. You're the party of the hyphen. You're dividers. You pit one race against another. You have your plantation and when someone breaks free of it you label them Uncle Tom or Uncle Juan. If a women is not a lib/dem/feminist then its suddenly OK to be a misogynist. You're bullies, hypocrites, control freaks and racists. You despise the Constitution because it protects us from tyranny, and you're more comfortable living under a dictator, like BO.

You libs on here are pajama boys.

July 9, 2014 at 3:45 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ touch'em all, Zab.

July 9, 2014 at 3:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "alprova....I don't know about her eating habits, her butt is pretty wide. I would have to admit, it isn't as bad as Hillary's, hers looks like a sack full of broken up concrete blocks."

Hhmmmmm. I don't make it a habit to look at butts, but I'm not sure I agree with you that hers is all that big.

http://bellezza.letteradonna.it/files/2012/08/michelle-obama-def.jpg

"People should eat what they want. Michelle needs to keep out of our kitchen. Her "initiative" is none of her business. The Fed's telling local school districts what to eat is wrong."

Maybe, but as a man who has suffered a great deal because I let my eating get out of control, I see it a bit differently than some people would.

I admire the woman for trying to help children eat healthier. Remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger was deeply involved in persuading school kids to exercise and eat healthier? I don't remember much criticism about him, do you? He wasn't even a politician back then.

"I noticed your new policy of not calling names didn't last too long."

Sir, there are times when nothing but a factual descriptive word will get the point across and I reserve the right to use them like everyone else.

July 9, 2014 at 3:50 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Alprova LOL What an ass kisser. You're stupid accusations mean zero to me."

I know that. You wouldn't type the same things every single day if you had a functioning brain.

"Lobster Lasagna, a chocolate fountain, Cokes and a bunch of other really bad stuff for you were the contents of a meal she had while back a restaurant."

I'm sure if I asked you to back that up with some proof, I'd be sitting here for a year waiting for you to offer it.

"You're not fooling anyone with your slavish loyalty to these narcissists."

And what you aren't getting is that you aren't fooling anyone when you claim not to be bigoted to an extreme. You're eat up with it, boy.

"BO, some heart he has. He will not go down to the border and visit "the children"..but he has time to play pool, raise money for the DNC."

Do you really believe that there would be any children there to visit? I thought they were all on buses headed to Murrietta, California.

Can't you people keep your stories straight?

"Fraud and a liar."

Was that some self-analysis?

"You and other libs trying to paint a good picture of this is truly' comical."

The only thing comical is how people like yourself have the facts all screwed up and are totally exaggerating the issue.

Matt Drudge even has a false image on his page, allegedly showing this massive flow if immigrants crossing a fence.

It's ludicrous. It's a lie. And you are nothing but a fish on a hook.

July 9, 2014 at 4 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "OOOO...I'm supposed be scared because Alpy calls me a bigot."

I wouldn't expect you to do anything but remain a bigot. It would be nice if some of you had the guts to come clean about what you are.

"Don't you have a photo of BO to kiss?"

Don't you have a photo of Adolph Hitler to kiss?

"..."She's raising her daughters to eat right" LOL How do you know? Are you there all the time? What a stupid, vacuous talking point."

You see, sometimes I read articles of interviews of the Obamas and she gave a wonderful interview of what life was like in the White House, including what they ate. And she specifically spoke to what her kids were and were not allowed to eat.

If you are interested, I'll try to find it and post a link.

"You're not going to see any pictures of her eating greasy, fatty and sugary foods because she won't allow it."

Precisely my point. She won't allow such food to pass her lips.

"BO, however, has been photographed eating all kinds of garbage. I bet he gets it from her when he gets home."

The man has made no secret that he like good food and bad food. Yeah, he cheats, and you're right...Michelle gives him a fit when he is caught eating bad food.

"Saint's BO and MO are role models for us all. Frauds and narcissists."

Sir...no one considers the Obamas to be Saints. They act no differently than any other Presidential couple that has ever inhabited the White House, but because they are black, people like yourself cannot stand a damn thing they do.

And you truly believe you are not seen for what YOU are, any time you crank up that keyboard.

July 9, 2014 at 4:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "You libs see everything in terms of race. You label any kind of criticism of BO or the liberal agenda as racist."

Only because it never ends or changes in any manner. The man can be absent for two weeks from any stories in the press, but the moans and groans continue unabated.

"Your race card is worthless."

Well...we're in partial agreement. You racism and bigotry is worthless and it will never affect either of them on any personal level.

You're also never going to convince me and people like me, that you are not bigoted and that you are even capable of legitimate criticism.

"You got nothing else except bullying and muzzling."

I'm stating my beliefs, the same as you. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The difference is, you're totally obsessed by the man and his wife and their presence as the First couple of this nation. You're bothered to an extreme. You cannot find for five minutes of your waking hours, any peace because he is our President.

I live my life largely unaffected. I am proud the man is our President. I will be glad and relieved when he retires in a couple of years, and it will be interesting to see some of you move on to Hillary next.

July 9, 2014 at 4:21 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher wrote:

"I am a Christian. I'm just not your kind of Christian, and I never will be, nor will you be one I will ever agree with."

Mr. Anthony Provancher wants you to believe that he a known anti Christ is a Christian or even could possibly be a Christian.

An anti Christ cannot be a Christian! It cannot be any more simple than that!

Anti means against. An anti Christ denies that Jesus was God in the flesh.

He wrote: "Jesus cannot be God"

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come ; and even now already is it in the world 1 John 4:3 KJV

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 1:7

Mr. Anthony Provancher is an anti Christ, a liar and a deceiver!

July 9, 2014 at 4:22 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

I have to apologize to all readers for Con-man.

His behavior is antithetical to Christianity and in no way represents behavior guided by the Gospel. He demeans all Christians. He may well be a Christian but his public behavior is troubled and infantile and we should all recognize that and forgive his hostility.

No one can place themselves in a seat of knowledge to know whether to condemn or judge someone or not, without inviting judgment upon their own self. A primary Christian goal is sanctification, and a sanctified person carries no ill will in their heart, or harsh words towards anyone, only compassion, because he or she knows they carry the same burden of sin as the one they are tempted to criticize.

July 9, 2014 at 4:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man and a couple of others simply cannot grasp that all their posturing when accusing the left of being the racists always pales in comparison when the votes are tallied every single election.

Accusing the left of being racist and convincing anyone to that fact are two very different goals.

You're great at making the accusations, but not a one of you can get a ball through the hoop to convince those who care, that the left are the racists.

Why you even try to type this, after years of failure to convince anyone to any truth to it, is beyond all comprehension.

It's stupid. No one believes it. And you'll forever be on the wrong side of that issue, no matter how many times you type it.

Votes prove the truth.

July 9, 2014 at 4:33 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher wrote:

"I am a Christian. I'm just not your kind of Christian, and I never will be, nor will you be one I will ever agree with."

====================================================

You are either a Christian or you are not a Christian.

He did get the "I'm just not your kind of Christian" right.

Mr. Anthony Provancher Has written: "Jesus cannot be God"

He has ridiculed and denied that God was manifested in the flesh:

"The very fact that Jesus was given birth, and came out as little helpless small baby is enough to refute the claim that Jesus is God."

"It is utter blasphemy to claim that God came out of a women like all people, it is utter blasphemy to claim God came out crying and screaming and being helpless and weak."

"Such nonsense is insulting to God; this itself is enough to prove Jesus is not God. How can you claim that God came out of a woman?"

"Are you mad? Are you insane? How can you insult God in such a manner? Some of you Christians should be ashamed of yourselves for ascribing such rubbish to God."

July 9, 2014 at 4:37 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

You have put yourself on trial:

Before God and men:

Did God become flesh?

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

July 9, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie, as much as I do not care for you and your brand of Christianity, which most certainly is based on something other than Christ, you are in my prayers.

I pray you find the REAL Jesus, learn to follow his example, and find some way to drop your character assassinations in public.

I pray you learn to read the Bible and start to learn what it states clearly, that you overlook all the time.

Most of all, I pray a homosexual doesn't touch your body anywhere, causing you to have a massive heart attack and instant death.

Oh...wait...I messed up. I didn't mean to type that last sentence.

A touch from a homosexual is what you need the most.

July 9, 2014 at 4:44 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Drugging, drinking and obesity are at epidemic levels and costing a healthcare fortune with no penalty to abusers."

Yet we have a First Lady, who is fervently trying to educate children to steer away from bad eating habits, and what does right-wing and Libertarian America do?

They condemn the woman for invading privacy rights.

If parents are not seeing to it that kids are not adopting good eating habits early in life, someone else must step up to the plate to help.

I Agree and admire her for the effort which is more educational than dictating to the country what they should eat for better health. I actually think she would likely be a better president than her husband which, in my opinion, would not be difficult to achieve.

My comments were not a reference to your personal situation or past eating habits. I see so many obese people eating like they may starve who are too fat to wipe their butt. I wonder how some of them were able to have sex and conceive those fat kids with them. I had to take my mother to a medical specialist and noticed over 90% of a large crowd in the waiting room were very over weight. I am sure in many cases their being there resulted from their bad health practices. It did irritate the hell out of me that I was helping pay their bills either in higher premiums or taxes.

I predict your disability will be approved retroactively to the date you became disabled.

July 9, 2014 at 4:46 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Anthony Rodham Provancher is on a roll.

July 9, 2014 at 4:47 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

You have put yourself on trial:

Before God and men:

Did God become flesh?

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

July 9, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.

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What is taking you so long?

July 9, 2014 at 4:53 p.m.
alprova said...

There were indeed followers of Jesus, who claim Jesus was God.

But Jesus himself never claimed to be nothing but the Son of God.

John 14:28 - Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I."

John 20:17 - "I ascend to My Father and to your Father, My God and to your God."

How can the Father be His God if Christ is God? How can God have a God?

July 9, 2014 at 4:58 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

You have put yourself on trial:

Before God and men:

Did God become flesh?

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

July 9, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.

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What is taking you so long?

July 9, 2014 at 4:53 p.m.

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Your silence is revealing.

July 9, 2014 at 5 p.m.

Alprova, hogwash. Like everything you say.

I stand by what I said. Dems are racists and are obsessed with race. Your race card is worthless. Find another strategy.

Looks like the WH contacted Rep. Cuellar D. from Texas and told him to back off on his criticism. It's called the 1st amendment, BO, you narcissistic control freak.

July 9, 2014 at 5:03 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

I have to apologize to all readers for Con-man.

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You can't apologize for me even if there was something for me to apologize for. How silly of you.

But I will note that you have not offered to apologize for Mr. Anthony Provancher's many and often blasphemous and anti Christ, anti Christian statements.

Now, what are you going to do?

July 9, 2014 at 5:07 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

You have put yourself on trial:

Before God and men:

Did God become flesh?

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

July 9, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.

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What is taking you so long?

July 9, 2014 at 4:53 p.m.

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Your silence is revealing.

July 9, 2014 at 5 p.m

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Having problems?

July 9, 2014 at 5:10 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "My comments were not a reference to your personal situation or past eating habits."

I know that, but I am one of those who fell into some very bad habits and now I'm paying the price. My prognosis is very good for a long life, but I blame myself for most of my health issues.

"I see so many obese people eating like they may starve who are too fat to wipe their butt. I wonder how some of them were able to have sex and conceive those fat kids with them."

If I may at least attempt to explain...

When a person eats the wrong food, your cells scream for energy. You stay hungry. If you fail to provide proper nutrition, your body is deprived of what it needs and builds what it doesn't need, which is pure fat.

"I had to take my mother to a medical specialist and noticed over 90% of a large crowd in the waiting room were very over weight. I am sure in many cases their being there resulted from their bad health practices. It did irritate the hell out of me that I was helping pay their bills either in higher premiums or taxes."

I wish I could talk to people, for I have found what it takes to eat right, never feel hungry, and feel good all the time. I truly once was totally out of control. I STAYED hungry. I ate everything wrong. I weighed more than 400 pounds.

Getting my diabetes under complete control was the catalyst that started my weight loss, my appetite control. Sometimes, I have to force myself to eat. I don't get hungry.

"I predict your disability will be approved retroactively to the date you became disabled."

Sir, I gave up three months. My disability became automatic the minute I entered stage 4 kidney failure. Nothing has changed. I am still stage 4. I briefly was forced to dialyze this last month, following my heart surgery, but have since bounced back above the line again.

The perma-catheter was removed last week.

Eventually, I will have to undergo permanent dialysis, but I'm hoping to put that off for as long as possible.

July 9, 2014 at 5:13 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

You have put yourself on trial:

Before God and men:

Did God become flesh?

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

July 9, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.

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What is taking you so long?

July 9, 2014 at 4:53 p.m.

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Your silence is revealing.

July 9, 2014 at 5 p.m

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Having problems?

July 9, 2014 at 5:10 p.m.

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You can't stand up for God in a public forum under a fictitious name?

July 9, 2014 at 5:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Alprova, hogwash. Like everything you say.

Z-man wrote: "I stand by what I said. Dems are racists and are obsessed with race. Your race card is worthless. Find another strategy."

Nobody tells you what to post. I'll continue to post whatever I so desire, in response to what you post, if I take a notion to do so.

July 9, 2014 at 5:16 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

You have put yourself on trial:

Before God and men:

Did God become flesh?

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

July 9, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.

=========================

What is taking you so long?

July 9, 2014 at 4:53 p.m.

=================

Your silence is revealing.

July 9, 2014 at 5 p.m

===============

Having problems?

July 9, 2014 at 5:10 p.m.

=================

You can't stand up for God in a public forum under a fictitious name?

July 9, 2014 at 5:15 p.m.

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Feeling shame?

July 9, 2014 at 5:23 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Recall folks I dusted my shoes a week or so ago, but con-man didn't pick up on it, or isn't willing to live with it.

July 9, 2014 at 5:32 p.m.
conservative said...

inquirinmind

You think that is going to get you off the hook?

You have a chance to stand up for God and you refuse.

You can't even apologize for Mr. Anthony Provancher's many blasphemies.

Who do you think, you are fooling?

July 9, 2014 at 5:38 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

You have put yourself on trial:

Before God and men:

Did God become flesh?

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

July 9, 2014 at 5:41 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquirinmind:

Are these two statements blasphemy:

"Jesus sinned"

"Jesus cannot be God"

Please, stand up for God and answer.

Please, instruct us.

July 9, 2014 at 5:55 p.m.

Please, Alprova. So says the man who left the Republican Party because John Kerry got "swiftboated" LOL BOO HOO HOO.

July 9, 2014 at 6:37 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquirinmind:

My simple questions surround you arrogant and condescending "dusted my shoes" comment so you can't credibly deny that you saw my simple questions.

BTW no Christian could ever deny the deity of Jesus Christ.

And any Christian could QUICKLY answer yes to the question -

Was Jesus Christ God, manifested in the flesh?

However, you, who speak of the Scriptures in the original languages can't answer.

Are you trying to fool the readers?

If you are, you are quite failing learned one.

July 9, 2014 at 6:44 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquirinmind

Catholics MUST believe the deity of Jesus Christ

"The divinity of Christ is an essential teaching of the Catholic faith. Indeed, any community of faith that would deny Christ’s deity ceases to be Christian at all

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/jesus-is-god

July 9, 2014 at 6:58 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquirinmind

Were you thrown out of the Catholic church?

July 9, 2014 at 6:59 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Inquirinmind Were you thrown out of the Catholic church?"

What do you care, ConMan? You don't believe that Catholics attend a "True Church", such as yourself. You don't even believe Catholics are Christians.

Any chance that you will come out of the closet and admit that you are a homosexual???

July 9, 2014 at 7:40 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Fister, who are you to accuse anyone of "hogwash"? You posted this in the NRA toon yesterday:

"Don't worry, libs. Homeland Security is buying up all the amo as fast as they can."

This is the biggest pile of "hogwash" anyone (besides ConMan and Orr) has posted here in awhile. It's total BS.

July 9, 2014 at 7:44 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man has never, ever dealt with facts.

He deals in rumors, innuendo, and outright lies.

July 9, 2014 at 9 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie...You're such a chicken, pretending to be a man.

You hide behind that computer monitor like a child.

A man of God would have no reason to hide.

Therefore, you are not a man of God, nor do you know him in any manner.

You are going to hell for your transgressions.

Don't believe me. Read your Bible. It's all in there in Black, white, and red.

You don't know God and he will not know you, no matter how badly you want to believe otherwise.

Honestly Connie, have you ever read any words from anyone who supports you in any manner in all your endeavors?

And you call me an anti-Christ...

You're a POS hiding behind a computer. Nothing more and nothing less.

July 9, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.
conservative said...

Professing Christian Mr. Anthony Provancher wrote:

Connie...You're such a chicken, pretending to be a man.

You hide behind that computer monitor like a child.

A man of God would have no reason to hide.

Therefore, you are not a man of God, nor do you know him in any manner.

You are going to hell for your transgressions.

Don't believe me. Read your Bible. It's all in there in Black, white, and red.

You don't know God and he will not know you, no matter how badly you want to believe otherwise.

Honestly Connie, have you ever read any words from anyone who supports you in any manner in all your endeavors?

And you call me an anti-Christ...

You're a POS hiding behind a computer. Nothing more and nothing less.

July 9, 2014 at 9:07 p.m

July 9, 2014 at 9:10 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie just LOVES repeating my truths.

It must be because he can not think of one word to refute them.

If he knew God, he would find some words.

"Depart from me, you wicked man!! I know you not!!"

That will ring in your ears for years to come, Connie.

July 9, 2014 at 9:33 p.m.
rengerry said...

It's almost like you're his own personal Jesus, Al

July 9, 2014 at 9:39 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

In a way Tennessee's unwillingness to provide Medicaid expansion to folks who are in desperate straights is sort of like this comment by a Red senator: "Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin responded that the government should be working to prevent the children from coming in the first place."

So what do we do, sit around and debate how we stop more kids from coming in, or act to provide humanitarian treatment to those who are already here, and get some kind of rational immigration reform that involves control of the borders?

That is too radical an idea for Bohner. I guess he wants to let them eat cake, and give them a shovel to dig their graves before they expire, rather than do anything that looks like he agrees with a piece of legislation that African-American pinko (the term my family used to describe MLK, Jr.) President proposed. If he let it be brought to a vote it would pass by a large majority because the Reds would have no skirt to hide behind. So much for the party of compassion.

July 9, 2014 at 10:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

Improper payments by the government tops 100 billion each of the past five years with Medicare/Medicaid being the largest source of improper spending. Earned income credit errors are a high percent of that welfare programs total cost. 1/2 a trillion over the past five years doesn't seem to bother congress enough to do anything about it.

There is a lot of support for the government providing more but very little support of paying for it except the insistence by a majority now paying nothing or very little that someone else pay for everything.

Democracy fails when people realize they can vote themselves wealth from the government treasury or get it from the money tree.

July 10, 2014 at 6:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

Has anyone seen a border control plan from either party or the administration that will work? Will the 3 billion requested do anything other than provide limited care for those here already and encourage others to come? Why not just furnish transportation for them and bring all that want to come and will eventually with the current approach. Why limit it to central America and Mexico? Africa and other countries have equally as bad or worse situations. How is absolute border control any better than returning those not legally here to whence they came? Are those here illegally more deserving than those that could not afford the assistance to come here?

July 10, 2014 at 6:21 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

This page is about Medicad not the immigration problem Fairmon.

About your earlier post, you are quoting almost verbatim without attribution from a news story on a report from a Red controlled House committee. It may be true but the Red-controlled house has a history of blowing things up out of proportion and even lying for political purposes. Let's wait until we get some hard numbers from a disinterested audit.

Where can I find this voting booth to get me some free money from the treasury? The last time I looked I paid into the treasury. It is my understanding that earned income credit is very carefully looked at by the IRS and most people who fraudulently claim it get caught.

July 10, 2014 at 8:08 a.m.
conservative said...

Inquirinmind

Catholics MUST believe the deity of Jesus Christ

"The divinity of Christ is an essential teaching of the Catholic faith. Indeed, any community of faith that would deny Christ’s deity ceases to be Christian at all

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/jesus-is-god

July 10, 2014 at 8:20 a.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

This page is about Medicad not the immigration problem Fairmon.

=====================

You differ with yourself

inquiringmind said...

Z-fister When you talk like a duck, walk like a duck and look like a duck, your are a duck. Saying you are not racist does not make it so. July 9, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.

July 10, 2014 at 8:37 a.m.
alprova said...

Poor inquiringmind.

Connie's boner is trained on you, but good.

July 10, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

AP NEWS RELEASE....

Each year, federal agencies are required to estimate the amount of improper payments they issue. They include overpayments, underpayments, payments to the wrong recipient and payments that were made without proper documentation.

a new report by the Government Accountability Office questions the accuracy of agency estimates, suggesting that the real tally could be higher. The GAO is the investigative arm of Congress.

The largest sources of improper payments are government health care programs, according to agency estimates. Medicare's various health insurance programs for older Americans accounted for $50 billion in improper payments in the 2013 budget year, far exceeding any other program.

The earned income tax credit, which provides payments to the working poor in the form of tax refunds. Last year, improper payments totaled $14.5 billion. That's 24 percent of all payments under the program.

Medicaid, the government health care program for the poor. Last year, improper payments totaled $14.4 billion.

IQ...Do you think those departments over estimated their errors?

July 10, 2014 at 9:04 a.m.
fairmon said...

inquiringmind said...

Where can I find this voting booth to get me some free money from the treasury? The last time I looked I paid into the treasury.

Just vote for those that promise the most free stuff and that will confiscate from some to give to others plus print and borrow more and more to remain in office without regard for the fiscal shape of the country.

Those receiving an earned income credit get a refund of all paid in plus some. It is a welfare program disguised as a tax system.

July 10, 2014 at 9:13 a.m.
conservative said...

Inquirinmind

Now that you differ with yourself, I wonder if you will differ with Mr. Anthony Provancher's blasphemies:

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova, wrote:

"Jesus sinned"

"Jesus cannot be God"

"The Bible never has been the word of God and you will never make it so"

"The idea that we are to accept a mass-murderer as an object of worship doesn't reflect well upon Christians at all. If he murdered nearly every human on the planet, God is far more heinous than Hitler. Yet Christians are to willfully worship him without question. Why?"

Do you differ with Mr. Anthony Provancher inquiringmind?

July 10, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.
tifosi said...

the dog humper is howling again.

July 10, 2014 at 9:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

IQM said..The last time I looked I paid into the treasury.

Apparently collectively not enough was paid to prevent the U.S. from evolving from the world's largest creditor to the world's largest debtor at 17 trillion and growing with no attempt or plan to curtail or stop the increase with even a minimal reduction. The boomers should be proud of the fiscal condition of the government they are leaving their heirs. Future generations will suffer form the excesses and abuse of this free loading spoiled largely uneducated generation.

What can you expect when the economically illiterate elect a majority of economic idiots.

July 10, 2014 at 9:31 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Toony, just askin' why no doodles lamenting the struggles or inner city folks being gunned down by other inner city folks daily in Chatt Town? Seems you still hung up on politics and not REAL social issues these days.

July 10, 2014 at 9:57 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Fairmon, the figures you cite don't add up to 500 billion, what did they look like in other years? No fraud is good, but if the budget is a trillion, 50 billion is about 5% too much and ought to require some discipline to fix it, but not worth calling up the national guard. If the earned income credit is being abused why not enforce it? What are you crying about, the existence of the credit or the way it is enforced?

As for the bigger picture, there would be no need for an earned income credit if those Christians and other compassionate religious people who are well off lent their hands, feet , body, soul and possessions to help those who need help rather than waste space on the internet typing in Large Font letters or griping about how bad things are.

The "boomers" did not create the deficit, it is caused overwhelmingly by the outrageous illegal wars of Bush the Younger who refused to raise taxes to pay for "our freedom from weapons of mass destruction," plus decades of right-wing supported excessive defense spending.

The bright side of our international debt is we hold all the cards internationally, everyone has a stake in the success of the USA in the form of US securities they have purchased. It still is the safest, rock-solid investment internationally.

Why do you call the heirs of the "Boomers" a "spoiled largely uneducated generation?" My children have college degrees and very nicely paying jobs keeping the Social Security Trust Fund liquid for you and me. I did not need to encourage them, they copied their parents model. One of them particularly could not be called "economically illiterate" in any way.

You seem to be dredging up some oblique slur on the underemployed, urban poor who surprisingly are predominately African-American, but we would not want to intimate any racial bias in your comment.

July 10, 2014 at 10:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

inquiringmind said...

So what do we do, sit around and debate how we stop more kids from coming in, or act to provide humanitarian treatment to those who are already here, and get some kind of rational immigration reform that involves control of the borders?

To which fairmon said... Has anyone seen a border control plan from either party or the administration that will work? Will the 3 billion requested do anything other than provide limited care for those here already and encourage others to come? Why not just furnish transportation for them and bring all that want to come and eventually will with the current approach. Why limit it to central America and Mexico? Africa and other countries have equally as bad or worse situations. How is absolute border control any better than returning those not legally here to whence they came? Are those here illegally more deserving than those that could not afford the assistance and no means to come here?

July 10, 2014 at 10:16 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

NEW PRESSURES FOR SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ON IRS SCANDAL The fundamental question about the IRS targeting the president‚Äôs political enemies is whether it was corruption or incompetency. A newly obtained email from the central figure in the scandal, former IRS executive Lois Lerner, isn‚Äôt helping the administration‚Äôs claim that the abuses were unintentional: ‚ÄúI was cautioning folks about email and how we have had several occasions where Congress has asked for emails and there has been an electronic search for responsive emails -- so we need to be cautious about what we say in emails,‚ÄĚ Lerner wrote to a colleague before the scandal went public. Lerner goes on inquire about whether members of Congress could get access to an instant messaging system used by the agency. Not only does this suggest bad motives but casts further shadows on the agency‚Äôs claims that emails from Lerner and other figures in the targeting scandal were accidentally lost in a computer crash and are unrecoverable. Given Lerner‚Äôs apparent effort to obstruct investigators, the administration‚Äôs long-silent internal investigation looks less and less credible. smidgin

July 10, 2014 at 10:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

inquiring mind said..fairmon, Why do you call the heirs of the "Boomers" a "spoiled largely uneducated generation?" My children have college degrees and very nicely paying jobs keeping the Social Security Trust Fund liquid for you and me. I did not need to encourage them, they copied their parents model. One of them particularly could not be called "economically illiterate" in any way.

I agree that Bush contributed to the deficit and Obama has doubled it since he took over. Is there a point at which you think it may be too much? Those we owe may not be as concerned as you think with the demise of America. How many countries really like us and would not like to see us much weaker.

Largely uneducated are the key words. The same is true with my kids who both have degrees and good paying jobs but there are not enough in that category to keep social security in good health long term. Those good paying middle class jobs not requiring a degree have diminished to the point the social security Ponzi scheme cannot remain as is beyond around twenty years. Neither of our children and those like them can handle the debt which will continue to increase.

July 10, 2014 at 10:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

inquiringmind said...

Fairmon, the figures you cite don't add up to 500 billion, what did they look like in other years?

ap news...."The amounts here are absolutely staggering," "It's over $100 billion each of the last five years. That's a staggering half a trillion dollars in improper payments."

July 10, 2014 at 10:33 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Fairmon,

If we step back and take a long view (that may not be much solace for you and me but is for our children and beyond), the projected demographics show the Trust Fund will turn around in the future.

The problem with so-called middle class jobs not requiring a degree seems at least two-fold. On one hand we all push for as low a price as we can and that drives jobs off shore to countries with low standards of living and shrinks those manufacturing jobs here. On the on the hand, that process can last only as long as there are skilled workers in countries with low standards of living. That is changing and manufacturing is the USA is on a resurgence.

The real issue is many of the jobs available do require skills that challenge a HS graduate and require post-secondary education, it is a fact of life. The jobs not requiring those skills are found where? In the service industry. The challenge, or the required investment in the future, is to motivate kids to get back in school, and that is going to take some kind of government-supported initiative as well as SERIOUS faith-based effort.

Much (not all) of the growth of the deficit under Obama is related to the wars that should have been shut down when he was elected. A second part of the deficit is temporary, it is the stimulus program that stopped us from sliding into the second Great Depression. The economy is turning around, according to the figures released to day, the numbers are better than at any time since 2008 when this chaos started. Economic growth equates to higher tax revenues.

But right now, there is no way to get meaningful legislation to fix the other problems of economic growth through the House because they are dead set on obstructing on principle of hate rather than compromise on every initiative the President proposes, even those that receive positive votes from Republican senators.

July 10, 2014 at 10:45 a.m.

Walter..ur..Jack, Lerner is an obvious liar. Not sure if anything will come of this. It stinks.

July 10, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.
tifosi said...

Fairmon - The U.S. has always had debt. That is what the Whiskey Rebellion was about. Our highest debt occurred in 1945. We are about 2/3rds of that now. The sky isn't falling.

July 10, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Yeah, boy. Debt is great.

July 10, 2014 at 11:10 a.m.
ibshame said...

News of the day on the local front: UAW to establish LOCAL VOLUNTARY Chapter for VW employees to join. Now let's see how many workers will voluntarily join. What's that old saying: If you can't go through them then go around them LOL Looks like VW will get what they want anyway.

July 10, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.
ibshame said...

Haslam should thank his lucky stars there are no strong Dems coming out of Middle or West Tennessee to oppose him in his bid for re-election. Ned McWherter has probably flipped out of his coffin.

July 10, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

yeah, libshame. VW should be gleeful with the union thugs trying to get in. Shame on anyone supporting these sorry-ass gangsters.

July 10, 2014 at 11:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

inqmind said...

But right now, there is no way to get meaningful legislation to fix the other problems of economic growth through the House because they are dead set on obstructing on principle of hate rather than compromise on every initiative the President proposes, even those that receive positive votes from Republican senators.

You apparently believe the lies out of D.C., I don't and follow the financials and the economy primarily through investment opportunities and news. What are a couple of those proposals blocked that would help heal the wound?

inqmid said... manufacturing is the USA is on a resurgence.

Are you saying the net new number of manufacturing jobs are increasing? I don't think so and certainly not at a rate close to the number entering the work force. We do need to get out of any war since it is difficult to win using a service based industry with less manufacturing of materials from commodities that can hurt your foot if you drop a piece on it. Check out the average wage of those working. The percent of the eligible work force, 18-65, is the lowest in decades.

July 10, 2014 at 12:43 p.m.

Look at the libs justify everything in order to make BO look good. What a bunch of drones you are.

Jack, I wonder if BO will ask for funds to help those gang members get more tattoos. Those are such cute children, aren't they?

BO is a fraud.

The should fly all of them back to central America. If Honduras can field a World Cup team, which involves a lot of expense, then they can the "children" back. What a joke.

Now libs are using the term "war refugees" to spin this.

There's also a substantial backlash from the "black community" over this.

July 10, 2014 at 1:19 p.m.

BO is doing nothing at all to stop this, nothing. No action against Mexico, or any of those Central American countries.

July 10, 2014 at 1:34 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man, you are one ignorant idiot if you believe there is one thing any President can do to any country south of the border, that would have any effect on the situation.

God only knows what you would do if you were in charge.

What "action" do you believe should be taken?

This I gotta read for myself...

Bet you will not respond...

July 10, 2014 at 2:30 p.m.
ibshame said...

Al writes Z-man you are one ignorant idiot......... He is definitely that no doubt.

One can always count on his obsession with the President as the one to blame for anything that goes wrong anywhere in the world. He is one sick puppy.

July 10, 2014 at 2:52 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

And you can count on you 2 mopes to defend said Presidente for anything that goes wrong in the world. Without equivocation.

July 10, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Fairmon, With all due respect, You say, "(you) believe the lies out of D.C., I don't and follow the financials and the economy primarily through investment opportunities and news. What are a couple of those proposals blocked that would help heal the wound?"

List all the legislation supported by President Obama that has been voted on in the house. I venture to say it pales against the number of times the Reds tried to reverse ACA. We could start with immigration reform that passed in a bi-partisam vote in the Senate and has yet even to make it to the house floor but is "referred to several committees" by Bohner. I could list any number of judicial nominations. Today the Reds in the Senate threaten filibuster of changing the religious freedom law that would afford everyone access to medical care including contraceptives. Let's see how fast Bohner brings the ~$4B fund request to resolve the "children at the border" problem to the floor of the House, it contains everything Rick Perry asked for and nothing more. That is what I mean by reactive refusal to even consider a proposal, blind rejection rooted in absolute radical political bias. BTW, I read a wide variety of professional and lay publications and seldom listen to the talking heads for assessments of trends.

A good example of the reflexive "No" reaction is Z-fister's next-to-last last post where he proposes invading Mexico and Central American countries over the children immigrant problem. Exactly how is that going solve the problem? He also seems to suggest we should not bear any responsibility towards the children's welfare. If that is his choice, he has to live with it. I'm sure if his children found themselves in dire straights abandoned for any reason, he would hope for mercy and compassion for them.

Fairmon says, "'inqmid said... manufacturing is the USA is on a resurgence.'Are you saying the net new number of manufacturing jobs are increasing? "

I said it is little consolation for you and me but good for our kids, yes manufacturing is on the upswing in the USA. I did not make any statement about numbers of jobs immediately created or how fast.

This is not about President Obama. This is about an American democracy that is broken by the minority seeking to enforce its will on the majority. Throughout the history of this country literally from the development of the Constitution compromise has made it work, the Bill of Rights being a good example.

July 10, 2014 at 3:59 p.m.

My gosh, did everyone here those two gigantic, elephantine-like farts at 2:30 pm and 2:52 pm?

July 10, 2014 at 4 p.m.

To believe that this gov., which has eyes everywhere, wouldn't know that Central Americans are traveling through Mexico by train, car, truck, whatever, with the intent of invading our borders would be ridiculous. They didn't see this coming? Bull$hit.

We've set back border defense 3000 years.

How long does it take to travel from the bottom of Mexico to the US border? A long time. Mexico is looking the other way. They have to allow these people into their country. They're usually strict as hell about their borders, but somehow 300,000 make it through there to here since April? This is orchestrated. Mexico or the our gov. didn't see this coming? LOL

This is exploitation, and it's spitting in the face of US citizens.

There's a video of a black woman from Texas blasting this mess, and telling it the way it is. Bo won't be impeached, but he deserves to be.

Irresponsible prick, metrosexual who's too chicken to go to the border because he might ruin his manicure or contract one of the many diseases floating around down there. He doesn't want to put himself in danger, but he doesn't care if citizens are.

July 10, 2014 at 4:25 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Z-bister is running scared today.

July 10, 2014 at 4:39 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Zablee, are you skeert?

July 10, 2014 at 4:41 p.m.

Yeah, Jack, I'm skeert, real skeert.

Get this, illegal aliens are flying in? A plane landed in El Paso today carrying illegal aliens from central America.

Who's is flying them in? It used to be they'd sneak over the border at night, or swim across the Rio Grande. Now, they're flying in? Who's paying for it?

July 10, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^ tight security

July 10, 2014 at 5:01 p.m.
alprova said...

I knew it would be pointless to expect the resident Idiot to back up his words.

You've got nothing operating upstairs Z-man.

You're brainless. You can't discuss a thing serious.

All you're good for is passing on retarded right-wing idiocy.

July 10, 2014 at 5:52 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Not interested in photo-ops. Bwahahaha

July 10, 2014 at 6:04 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...
July 10, 2014 at 6:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "To believe that this gov., which has eyes everywhere, wouldn't know that Central Americans are traveling through Mexico by train, car, truck, whatever, with the intent of invading our borders would be ridiculous. They didn't see this coming? Bull$hit."

You give far too much credit to modern technology. You offer this as if it were possible to know what every human being on the planet is up to, what they are driving, where they are at any given moment, etc.

It makes for a nice conspiracy theory, and God knows you've been reading Alex Jones crap, but you're still as dumb as a box of rocks.

"We've set back border defense 3000 years."

Are you even in a position to know what, if any security existed at the border 3,000 years ago?

"How long does it take to travel from the bottom of Mexico to the US border? A long time. Mexico is looking the other way. They have to allow these people into their country. They're usually strict as hell about their borders, but somehow 300,000 make it through there to here since April? This is orchestrated. Mexico or the our gov. didn't see this coming? LOL"

Orchestrated or not, what, if anything, is any President of the United States going to do about it?

You seem to want to blame him for doing nothing. What is it he is not doing to any country, south of the border, that he is not doing?

"This is exploitation, and it's spitting in the face of US citizens."

Good God you are a whiner.

"There's a video of a black woman from Texas blasting this mess, and telling it the way it is. Bo won't be impeached, but he deserves to be."

Your opinion is quite meaningless.

"Irresponsible prick, metrosexual who's too chicken to go to the border because he might ruin his manicure or contract one of the many diseases floating around down there. He doesn't want to put himself in danger, but he doesn't care if citizens are."

Why are you not down there?

July 10, 2014 at 6:32 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Anthony Rodham Provancher opines " Your opinion is quite meaningless." and yours is meaningful?

July 10, 2014 at 6:36 p.m.
alprova said...

Mr. Jack Dana Dennis, shut up you self-admitted sex offender. The only person more unqualified to discuss anything here than Z-man, is yourself.

You're so stupid, you refuse to categorically identify yourself to not be a sex offender.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270586 http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270592 http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270593 http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270595

http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/TN00513388/Jack-Dana-Dennis.html

July 10, 2014 at 8:03 p.m.
fairmon said...

inqmind post...I said it is little consolation for you and me but good for our kids, yes manufacturing is on the upswing in the USA. I did not make any statement about numbers of jobs immediately created or how fast.

I think a little fact checking will show the rate of loss is less with an occasional uptick. The creation of decent paying jobs may prevent what appears to be the inevitable. Many initiatives could make a major difference however, both parties keep blocking them. Tax reform with business and corporate rates to 17% with zero manipulative deductions. The only way to avoid taxable profits should be spending the money on the business or reduce prices.

Energy offers a major opportunity for those willing to relocate and work but too many are blocking opportunities although the EPA and DOE both see no significant risk. Jobs and employment levels that force employers to bid up wages is what is needed.

The following apples and oranges comparison is an example of what politicians depend on having people think. Once the war ended the debt reduction began until we became the world's largest creditor. The gold standard was in place, there was little welfare with no borrowed or printed money in order to give it away.

tifosi said...

Fairmon - The U.S. has always had debt. That is what the Whiskey Rebellion was about. Our highest debt occurred in 1945. We are about 2/3rds of that now. The sky isn't falling.

Any clue what will happen to our economy when the IMF successfully replaces the dollar as the world's reserve currency?

July 10, 2014 at 8:13 p.m.
fairmon said...

Obama should have drank enough beer to get drunk and head to the border. A good question is he should have gone to the border to do what? It would be a useless trip, he has all the information he needs but has not a clue what to do.

July 10, 2014 at 8:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, do you have a clue what to do?

July 10, 2014 at 8:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Any clue what will happen to our economy when the IMF successfully replaces the dollar as the world's reserve currency?"

Nothing will replace the dollar. Nothing.

http://www.investmentu.com/article/detail/29183/dollar-reserve-currency#.U78vgiVOVkQ

July 10, 2014 at 8:26 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Alpo the liar. I knew you would get weak. You lying puss-boil.

July 10, 2014 at 8:34 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Fairmon, Tax reform, capital gains tax reduction etc are all smoke screens. We enjoy one of the lower tax rates in the world and have one of the stronger (est?) economies. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that corporations are sitting on the largest amount of cash in recent history but are not hiring or using the capital constructively. Banks are in the same boat. There is nothing wrong with industry. The problem lies elsewhere. Overly conservative fear of the future.

I did not intend to get into an argument with you but manufacturing is increasing in the US and it is sector dependent. I doubt seriously any organization especially one bankrolled by the US is going to replace the US currency fro all the reason I mentioned previously, especially since there is no good alternative.

The President has proposed a way to increase border control increase rate of return of unauthorized immigrants and reduce flow of immigrants across the border, and even said if some governor asks for national guard he would entertain the request. He is definitely doing nothing. As he said, i have one trusted aide who has visited the border 7 times and keeps me regularly informed on the exact details daily, why do you think I need to do a photo-op that takes time from solving the problem?

I really doubt you seriously propose we go back to the gold standard. Money (and gold) is worth only what value people assign to it, e.g., widely varyingprice of gold, bitcoins, etc, , none of it has intrinsic value.

July 10, 2014 at 9:06 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

And of course when we were on the gold standard we never had depressions and periods of rapid inflation, and never had periods of high unemployment...Money only has extrinsic value and as long as that is the case its value will always be subjective. It is worth what someone is willing to pay for it in a barter arrangement.

July 10, 2014 at 9:23 p.m.
Landgrabbr said...

Now, a real discussion of which I believe I am qualified to comment.

This is my reply to my father, a self-educated, economist, proven financial wizard and present world market investor, in regard to USD devaluation or relocation out of Mexico and South America (or any country) due to political and social instability (news of violence, drug cartels mafia type practices, political scandals/corruption, etc.)

Father,

It is an interesting article and a compelling argument with worldwide repercussions. This column demonstrates the volatility, imperceptibly real and sudden facility, for a country to become impoverished through apparent inconsequential market devaluation, similar to the discussions we have had with the present USA financial condition. However, this discussion is necessary for these depreciation figures easy hide themselves from discretionary spending or GNP. Although, this article mentions dollars, it is a fact, that net worth based on actual or immediate market significance, i.e., cash on hand, inventory, completed factory production, refined metals or based on worthless paper or coin (including gold) is unstable.

I have always believed that this present valuation of net worth is short sighted, incomplete and will only be corrected with an impending market collapse. Until regions are appreciated, for at least a portion of their for their inherent value, such as, temperate weather conditions, fresh water supply, ability to grow produce, natural minerals and resources, as well as, future earnings potential (manpower), etc., this type of valuation will always favor highly industrialized countries, much like Western Europe, which is armed with nothing but technology, leaving all in a precarious position.

Using present world doctrine, the only manner in which a regions’ intrinsic value can be capitalized is through the vision and persuasion of a savvy entrepreneur with access to substantial capital, marketing ability and, as always sheer luck with which to execute this project. Even then, all is investment until the product goes to market, e.g., Baja Mining. The only political and financial structures that presently recognize this untapped or undeveloped worth are labeled as communist or socialist.

Nevertheless, I believe we will and are beginning to see this market correction through changing global weather patterns, over-population and political and social conflict. None of which compel manufacturing production or economic profitability but by force, only promote survival, leaving only these regional resources. Although there is much talk and objection to this market correction or what has come to be described in today‚Äôs capitalism as ‚Äúredistribution of wealth,‚ÄĚ I feel that this "equalization" will happen naturally, thus, inevitably.

July 10, 2014 at 11:23 p.m.
Landgrabbr said...

Sorry to bother you guys but here lies the truth and the future. Populations will continue to migrate wherever on earth they will survive. Even if some refuse to believe no military in the world will be able to stop desperate people.

Our family and associates have finally come to realize the only sure investment for us in the future is valuable and strategic land - God ain't making any more.

Oh, one last thing. I may be a liberal but I sure ain't stupid...

July 10, 2014 at 11:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack Dana Dennis wrote: "Alpo the liar. I knew you would get weak. You lying puss-boil."

For the umpteenth time, it is categorically impossible for me to find myself lying about that which you have confessed to being.

What makes you believe I was never going to remind people who and what you are? You certainly aren't leaving me alone, so what do you expect?

You've been trying to get me to break my silence, and that I will do, only to remind people who and what you are, you piece of filth.

$%&# you, you convicted sex offender.

July 10, 2014 at 11:46 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

You're a liar and a low life, Alpo. And a whiner to boot. Oh woe is me, Provancher.

July 10, 2014 at 11:50 p.m.
alprova said...

That's all you have to say?

Oh well...I have no problem posting the occasional reminder of who and what you are, so long as you refuse to leave me alone.

You're the absolutely most stupid man I have ever encountered online in 30 years.

July 11, 2014 at 12:18 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Have at it, a-hole. nobody buying. You've been online for 30 yrs.? Quite a feat.

July 11, 2014 at 8:11 a.m.
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