published Friday, June 6th, 2014

Ribbons

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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First of all, Clay, you Democrat Party tool, it's not GOP, the criticism of what Obatguano did is across the board. It also includes many liberals. Once again a liberal tries to divert attention from the facts and the issue.

He was not left behind. Even though he was a deserter, soldiers died looking for him. He abandoned his post, he left his platoon behind. Now many liberals are going after the soldiers that were there, and said what witnessed.

Berghahl has had ribbons in his honor in his hometown, just like any other missing soldier would. Now that the facts have come out that he was a deserter Obatguano drones go on the attack.

This is more than Bergdahl, but tools like Bennett want to make it only about that. It's about Obatguano breaking the law and letting loose on the world 5 to terrorists.

The soldiers in that platoon were told to keep quite about Bergdahl.

You Obatguano loyalists are just angry because it's blown up in his face.

June 6, 2014 at 4:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

It appears those serving with him and searching for him after he walked away from their operations base are not supportive but do think he should be heard and given an opportunity to explain what he did and why. At this point they label him a traitor that should be court-marshaled.

It is doubtful American's will ever know the full story and the use of "classified information" will again be used and abused if it is in any way embarrassing to those in D.C.

The release of so many high level terrorist that American soldiers died to capture begs for a better explanation than provided thus far.

Many in congress are clamoring that the president broke the law but Harry Reid got it right when he said "so what, what does it matter". If a law was broken when congress was not informed and ask to approve the POW exchange 30 days before the exchange it is just another law that will not and cannot be enforced.

The media is using this event to the max for ratings and selling of printed materials. Bloggers are going bat stuff crazy with it. It is not possible or reasonable to reach a conclusion with no more verifiable facts than currently available.

June 6, 2014 at 5:17 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Here’s some more of the right-wing hogwash that has been debunked. The administration briefed Congress amid a swirl of rumors about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s military service and the events that led to his capture. There were some unconfirmed press reports that suggested Bergdahl left a note at his base that included statements critical of the U.S. and the Afghan war. “We were told today that is not true. There was no statement,” said Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee and a strong critic of the White House’s decision-making on the swap. “There’s a lot of facts the people don’t have right now,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) “And this rush to judgment is frankly very un-American. Especially considering this is somebody who signed up and said: ‘I’m willing to die for my country.’ And was held in captivity for five years.” How many on this board signed up for duty? crickets

June 6, 2014 at 5:58 a.m.
conservative said...

Before going AWOL Bergdahl had emailed his parents:

"I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools,”

"The horror that is america is disgusting."

"These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid."

“The future is too good to waste on lies,”

“And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be American. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.”

June 6, 2014 at 7:15 a.m.
librul said...

All these pompous Republican a-holes were tripping over themselves to wave their flags and cheer Bergdahl sending out tweets of praise until the far right wingnuts and their Fox and talk radio puppeteers went ballistic about factless conspiracies. "His father even looks like a muslim", "we shouldn't have released those five Taliban extremists", it's Obama this", "it's Obama that", "if he empties Gitmo we'll impeach him".

All the jingo talk went silent the same day.

Damned scurrilous idiots all.

Back in 2010 and 2011, the VERY SAME EXCHANGE DEAL WAS FLOATED, and there was none of this hubbub. Even Mr. Sunday talking head, John McCain, was down with the deal back then.

This craziness is all symptomatic of the accelerating collapse of the right wing into political gangsterism and all you wingnuts on this forum are exposing yourselves as the puppets you are. Like Pavlov's dogs you drool and type yourselves into a frenzy while watching Fox and listening to your fascist mouthpieces.

Word up, Clay. When you can get adults to act like schoolyard smartasses just by drawing political cartoons, you are at the top of your game.

Keep it up!

June 6, 2014 at 7:43 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Librul mentions Pavlov's dogs. Interesting, coming from an ideological statist acolyte.

June 6, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.
librul said...

Damned scurrilous idiot speaks! What are you holding there, a drool cup?

June 6, 2014 at 8:08 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

<< Nah, Lib. He's on your side of the aisle.

June 6, 2014 at 8:22 a.m.
librul said...

OpEd on Bowe Burgdahl - World Socialist Website - Part One:

The US media and the release of POW Bowe Bergdahl 5 June 2014 The American media is once again exhibiting its boundless capacity for dispensing propaganda and promoting the most backward and reactionary conceptions. Such is the campaign of vilification directed against Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, released May 31 in Afghanistan in a prisoner exchange with the Taliban. An op-ed column in the Wall Street Journal Tuesday reached new depths by floating the suggestion that the proper response to the return of Bergdahl was to assemble a firing squad. The column quoted Article 85 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice: “Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.” The campaign against Bergdahl has featured a group of former members of his platoon in Afghanistan who have been organized and mobilized by right-wing political operatives of the Republican Party. Richard Grenell, a former aide to then-US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, who went on to work in 2012 for the Mitt Romney presidential campaign, has been identified as the main go-between for the former soldiers and their media publicists. The networks are putting these men on the air to make various allegations against Bergdahl without having carried out any independent investigation into their veracity. The target of this coordinated attack, confined to a US military hospital in Germany, is unable to respond to the charges against him and defend himself. Besides the usual suspects at Fox News, talk radio, and ultra-right blogs, the so-called “mainstream media” has joined in the onslaught. While interviewing an ex-soldier who had served with Bergdahl, NBC Today Show host Savannah Guthrie asked directly whether the former POW should be prosecuted for desertion.

June 6, 2014 at 8:36 a.m.
librul said...

OpEd on Bowe Burgdahl - World Socialist Website - Part Two:

On the op-ed page of the New York Times, Alex Berenson, a former embedded Times reporter in Iraq and Afghanistan, also cited Article 85, adding, “Sergeant Bergdahl may have broken any number of military laws.” He continued, “I don’t see how the Pentagon can avoid re-examining what happened on June 30, 2009” [The day Bergdahl left his unit and was captured by the Taliban]. “If Sergeant Bergdahl is proved mentally competent to stand trial, maybe he deserves a few years in Leavenworth to reflect on his dereliction of duty.” Some media reports have quoted snippets of e-mail messages sent by Bergdahl to his parents during the months before his capture by the Taliban, demonstrating his increasing disillusionment with the war in Afghanistan. Long extracts of these e-mails appear in a profile of Bergdahl and his family in the June 21, 2012 issue of Rolling Stone, headlined America’s Last Prisoner of War. Bowe apparently reached the breaking point on June 25, 2009, after a young officer he knew and liked was killed by a roadside bomb. Two days later he wrote his parents, “... I am ashamed to even be American. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.” “I am sorry for everything here,” he continued. “These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live.” Referring to a particularly gruesome incident he had witnessed, he added, “We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks.” Shortly thereafter, Bergdahl left his unit, armed only with a knife, apparently intending to walk to Pakistan or China, and was captured soon after by the insurgents. According to the Rolling Stone account, he escaped at least once, in August or September 2011, but was recaptured.

June 6, 2014 at 8:37 a.m.
librul said...

OpEd on Bowe Burgdahl - World Socialist Website - Part Three

The most odious smear against Bergdahl is the suggestion that he is responsible for the deaths of American soldiers, supposedly because they were searching for him in eastern Afghanistan and ran into IEDs or Taliban ambushes. A list of either six or eight soldiers has been given enormous media publicity, and the supposed link between their deaths and Bergdahl’s disappearance asserted as fact. Wednesday’s New York Times, however, in a front-page report citing evidence from the Afghanistan war logs leaked to WikiLeaks by Army private Chelsea (Bradley) Manning, acknowledged that there was no evidence of a connection between these deaths and Bergdahl. Perhaps the most apt response came from Thomas Ricks, former Washington Post reporter and author of several books on the Iraq war, who wrote on Twitter, “Re Bergdahl: If we’re trying people for causing the deaths of soldiers, I know of a lot of people more culpable than a depressed private.” At the top of such a list would be George W. Bush and Barack Obama. The real purpose of the campaign against Bergdahl is to counter his antiwar views, which give expression to the sentiments of the vast majority of the American population. It is a continuation of the media’s efforts to conceal the criminal and neo-colonial character of the war. The witch-hunt against Bergdahl is of a piece with the US media’s campaign of denigration and slander against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and Private Manning in retaliation for their exposure of war crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries. As far as the media apologists for imperialism are concerned, a soldier who is horrified by crimes against humanity and refuses to participate in them is a criminal, while those who obediently carry out atrocities are heroes. It should be recalled that the defense of “just carrying out orders” was flatly repudiated by the Nuremberg Tribunal into the crimes of the Nazis during World War II. Those who would revive it today are paving the way for even greater crimes.

Written for WSWS by Patrick Martin

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06/05/pers-j05.html

June 6, 2014 at 8:38 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Great post, Lib. The WSWS is where I go for the straight skinny.

June 6, 2014 at 8:41 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Oliver North – Fox’s go to expert on Bergdahl.

Ronald Reagan was chief aide was Oliver North in the sale of WEAPONS to the IRANIANS?, of all people, to raise money for their own little private war? They actually helped arm the fundamentalist mullahs of IRAN. "Ollie" is, without question, America's favorite traitor. He helped the Reagan administration commit a bunch of felonies, then destroyed evidence as fast as he could before the Iran-Contra investigation got into full swing. But people just seem to adore the guy anyway, despite his continual lies and total disregard for the U.S. Constitution. North once had a job sitting behind a desk in the bowels of Ronald Reagan's White House, working for the National Security Council. As Assistant Deputy Director for Political-Military Affairs, he managed the day-to-day operations of a clandestine agency operating completely outside the law, without any form of oversight whatsoever. According to North's sworn testimony, his primary effort was coordinating covert sales of weapons to the government of Iran, and then funneling those profits to buy weapons for the Contra army in Nicaragua. The only problem is, those actions were completely illegal. The Boland Amendment banned the U.S. Government from funding the Contras. Ollie claimed that he had only been following orders.

June 6, 2014 at 8:41 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Great post, Lib. The WSWS is where I go for the straight skinny."

No, we all know you get your news from the most accurate news source on the planet; Twitter.

Fister, I have debunked everything you posted yesterday. Your silence on it is deafening. I guess we'll have to wait until you listen to Limbaugh today or watch Hannity before you share anymore information on this issue.

5 Taliban "leaders" that have been in captivity for over a decade and that will remain in captivity in Qatar for another year will become the new Osama Bin Laden, per conservative pundits? They would have to be tried (and they have not been tried or formally charged for over 10 years) or released anyway by 2016, something right-wingers will never admit.

June 6, 2014 at 8:51 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Fister: expressing the GOP anger, one fantasy at a time...

June 6, 2014 at 8:53 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gassy says "5 Taliban "leaders" that have been in captivity for over a decade and that will remain in captivity in Qatar for another year will become the new Osama Bin Laden, per conservative pundits?" So, Gassy, you really believe these guys will be confined to Qatar for a year? These guys are the new darlings of the left, eh Gas?

June 6, 2014 at 8:59 a.m.
librul said...

Paul Craig Roberts causes a "disturbance in the force" .... http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/02/obama-told-us-west-point-paul-craig-roberts/

What Obama Told Us At West Point by Paul Craig Roberts - Part One

At West Point Obama told us, to the applause of West Point cadets, that “American exceptionalism” is a doctrine that justifies whatever Washington does. If Washington violates domestic and international law by torturing “detainees” or violates the Nuremberg standard by invading countries that have undertaken no hostile action against the US or its allies, “exceptionalism” is the priest’s blessing that absolves Washington’s sins against law and international norms. Washington’s crimes are transformed into Washington’s affirmation of the rule of law. Here is Obama in his own words:

“I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being. But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to flout international norms and the rule of law; it is our willingness to affirm them through our actions.”

Actions indeed. In the 21st century “American exceptionalism” has destroyed seven countries in whole or in part. Millions of people are dead, maimed, and displaced, and all of this criminal destruction is evidence of Washington’s reaffirmation of international norms and the rule of law. Destruction and murder are merely collateral damage from Washington’s affirmation of international norms.

“American exceptionalism” also means that US presidents can lie through their teeth and misrepresent those they choose to demonize. Listen to Obama’s misrepresentations of the Putin and Assad governments:

“Russia’s aggression towards former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe . . . In Ukraine, Russia’s recent actions recall the days when Soviet tanks rolled into Eastern Europe .” Obama misrepresents Assad as “a dictator who bombs and starves his own people.”

Did any of the cadets in Obama’s West Point audience wonder why, if Assad is a brutal dictator who bombs and starves his own people, the Syrian people are supporting Assad instead of the American-backed “liberation forces,” the combination of imported jihadists and al Qaeda fighters who object to Assad’s government because it is secular? The US military is taught to respect its civilian commander-in-chief, but if West Point cadets actually do obtain an education, it is remarkable that Obama’s audience did not break out in laughter.

The reference to Soviet tanks rolling into Eastern Europe is a reference to the Hungarian (1956) and Czech (1968) “revolutions” when the Hungarian and Czech communist leaders attempted to assert independence from Moscow. It is doubtful that Washington’s response to countries attempting to exit NATO would be any different. A few months ago Washington responded to political talk in Germany and England about leaving the EU by informing both governments that it was not in Washington’s interest for them to depart from the European Union.

June 6, 2014 at 9:20 a.m.
librul said...

Paul Ceaig Roberts - Part Two

Obama used the image of Soviet tanks in order to color Russia with the Soviet Threat, to mischaracterize Russia’s response to the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia, and to misrepresent Crimea’s vote in favor of reunification with Russia as “Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea.” These lies are still a mainstay in the US media and in Washington’s official propaganda.

Obama’s speech is probably the most disingenuous ever given by a Western politician. We could have fun for hours with all the crimes that Washington commits but buries in rhetoric directed at others. Perhaps my favorite is Obama evoking a world in which “individuals aren’t slaughtered because of political belief.” I am sure Obama was thinking of this just world when he murdered without due process of law four American citizens “outside of areas of active hostilities.”

Another favorite is the way Obama flushed the US Constitution of its meaning. Obama said, with reference to bringing the Guantanamo prisoners to the US, that “American values and legal traditions don’t permit the indefinite detention of people beyond our borders.” No, Obama, the US Constitution prevents the indefinite detention of US citizens by the US government anywhere on earth, especially within our borders.

By detaining and by murdering US citizens without due process of law, Obama has violated his oath of office and should be impeached. It was only a short time ago that President Bill Clinton was impeached by the US House of Representatives (the Senate saved him from conviction) for lying about his sexual affair with a White House intern. How times change. Today a president who violates his oath of office to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic gets a free ride. The Constitution has lost its power to protect citizens from the arbitrary power of government. The US is the Constitution. Without the Constitution the US ceases to exist, and the country becomes a tyranny, both at home and abroad.Today the US is a tyranny cloaked in the garb of “freedom and democracy.”

Instead of laughing our way through Obama’s ridiculous speech to what apparently was a dumbed-down West Point graduating class, lets pay attention to Obama’s bottom line: “America must always lead on the world stage. . . . The military is, and always will be, the backbone of that leadership.”

June 6, 2014 at 9:21 a.m.
librul said...

Paul Craig Roberts - Part Three

In other words, Washington doesn’t use diplomacy. Washington uses coercion. The favorite threat is: “Do as you are told or we will bomb you into the Stone Age.” Obama’s speech is a justification of Washington’s criminal actions on the grounds that Washington acts for the exceptional Americans whose exceptionalism places them and, thereby, their government above law and international norms. In this way of thinking, only the failure to prevail constitutes failure.

Americans are the new ubermensch, the new master race. Inferior humans can be bombed, invaded, and sanctioned. Obama’s West Point speech asserts American superiority over all others and Washington’s determination to continue this superiority by preventing the rise of other powers. This arrogant hubris was not enough for the Washington Post editorial board. The newspaper’s editorial damned Obama for binding US power and limiting its use to “a narrow set of core interest,” such as direct threats to America.

The American “liberal media” object that Obama’s claim of exceptionalism is not broad enough for Washington’s purposes. Obama’s address, the Washington Post wrote, bound “US power” and “offered scant comfort” to those militarists who want to overthrow Syria, Iran, Russia, and China.

The world should take note that the most militarily aggressive American president in history is considered a wimp by the neoconized American media. The media drives wars, and the American media, firmly allied with the military/security complex, is driving the world to the final war.

Jointly published with the Strategic Culture Foundation. http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/06/02/what-obama-told-us-at-west-point.html


If Bowe Burgdahl walked away from his unit because his revulsion of war and profligate murder for US imperialism became unbearable - then HE IS THE HERO in all of this, regardless of the presstitute propaganda that will be leveled at him.

June 6, 2014 at 9:23 a.m.
conservative said...

If you have nothing to do today....

June 6, 2014 at 9:29 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Sheesh, Librul. You related to alpo?

June 6, 2014 at 9:35 a.m.
librul said...

I know it's hard when a thread contains cerebral content rather than pointless ad hominem barbs and epithets. But give it a try.

June 6, 2014 at 9:50 a.m.
Plato said...

I think it's a bit of a stretch to expect the American public to get out the yellow ribbons for Bergdhal, but OTOH they shouldn't be slipping the noose over his head either.

We have heard the prosecutions case, let's wait until the defense has had a chance to speak before we go too far.

June 6, 2014 at 9:56 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

No Plato, the GOP has elections to win. Benghazi scandal never came to fruition, IRS scandal has no merit, so they needed a new "scandal" to rally the GOP disciples. If Bergdahl would've been left in captivity, there would still be a Bergdahl "scandal". GOP leaders have been in negotiations with the WH for years for Bergdahl's release, but now he gets released and their panties are in a bunch. Yet, not one GOP pundit will speak about that nice little factoid. Fister and Jack will accuse you of "changing the subject".

June 6, 2014 at 10:31 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Plato, we have heard rumors and that's all - no FACTS yet. If you mean right-wing pundits (the prosecution), yes we have heard 'rumors' and assertions - NO FACTS confirmed by anyone in authority.

June 6, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.
timbo said...

I don't like bumper stickers but where can I buy one Bennett?

Also, liberals quit quoting other liberals. I am going to give you all a compliment. These guys you are quoting are as full of crap as you are. You can use your own lies and crap just as effectively.

June 6, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.
riverman said...

Wonder how Crayon boy would feel if his father had been killed trying to find Bergdahl?

June 6, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.

You libs keep making this a GOP vs Dem thing. It is what it is. Obautguano traded a deserter for 5 top terrorists. He broke the law as well.

The reaction to this goes across the board.

Not one positive thing will come of letting those maniacs loose on the world, not one.

Who believes that they will remain in Qatar and be good boys?

Look at all of you libs scrambling to put a positive spin on another Obatguano blunder. He makes all of you work so hard.

I read one of the top terrorists released, a commander,is particularly feared in Afghanistan. He's responsible for wiping out whole villages, killing hundreds and displacing 300 thousand people or so. But, you libs don't care, that's over there somewhere. Obatguano doesn't care, he'll be playing golf surrounded by bodyguards the rest of his life in LA, Hawaii or florida.

Now I see the man who really wears the pants in the Obama family, MEchelle, may be considering running for the Senate from Illinois. Another angry liberal woman in the Senate! There's already 16 of them.

June 6, 2014 at 11:47 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

con-man is at it again, with his twins - Why wait for facts and justice, let's just go ahead and judge and punish him now, that is what lynch mobs are good for. This crap about a jury of peers, or even the limited justice of a military tribunal is just a technicality. We know he is guilty, we saw the facts on the internet. (Even though you can't be a deserter until you've been AWOL 30 days, assuming he was).

Hmmmm...I wonder how more patriotic your comments are than the ones attributed to the prisoner.

June 6, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.
timbo said...

inquiringmind...I wonder what your position would be if it were Bush. Just the opposite...

Maybe Susan Rice and the idiot in chief should have waited before saying he served with distinction. That is why the other stuff came out because his platoon mates knew he had deserted.

You are a hypocrite.

June 6, 2014 at 12:01 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

con-man is at it again, with his twins - Why wait for facts and justice, let's just go ahead and judge and punish him now, that is what lynch mobs are good for.

====================

There you go again with your false accusations and straw men.

Now, you post one thing I wrote to back up your claims or I will repeatedly confront you with YOUR claims.

Everything I have written so far is either a fact or Bergdahl's own words.

You either back up your claims or apologize.

June 6, 2014 at 12:21 p.m.

Bergdahl's actions and words don't matter. The truth doesn't matter, who gets hurt doesn't matter, all that matters is the Obatgauno's image stays in tact. The pajama boy eunuchs are working overtime to make him look good in this.

I just saw some pics of our POTUS at the D-Day festivies. He looks like a child being forced to eat broccoli. I bet the whole time he's thinking about his crappy golf game, and the fine dinner he'll sit down to that night with MO, which will contain all the things they tell us not to eat.

Good point, timbo. Now his platoon mates are being crucified by BO's eunuch brigade.

June 6, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.

The guy walked away from his post. Stated that he's deserting. Why should you libs be believed over the soldiers that were there. Soldiers died looking for him.

What do you want? I'll tell you want, anything, anything to make BO look better in this. Bergdahl is just one part of this. Bo broke the law, and let loose 5 terrorists. He's unapologetic because he thinks he's king. He calls the deserter a hero, but no mention of those who died trying to find him. Bergdahl's parents get all kinds of attention from BO, but not the parents of the soldiers who were killed. Well, Bergdahl's parents are special, at least the father is, because he speaks arabic, has a Taliban wannabe beard and his son hates America too.

June 6, 2014 at 1:01 p.m.

BO love thumping his chest and taking credit, just like when Bin Laden was killed. It took years and thousands of people working on it, and many lives being lost to finally get him. He behaved as if he did it himself. Shameless.

June 6, 2014 at 1:03 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Let's hypothetically say that The Redeemer is everything his followers say he is. If that's the case, surely his most strident acolytes would admit that he has surrounded himself with the most numbskulled bunch of advisors in the history of the presidency. Yes?

June 6, 2014 at 1:18 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

con-man is at it again, with his twins - Why wait for facts and justice, let's just go ahead and judge and punish him now, that is what lynch mobs are good for.

====================

There you go again with your false accusations and straw men.

Now, you post one thing I wrote to back up your claims or I will repeatedly confront you with YOUR claims.

Everything I have written so far is either a fact or Bergdahl's own words.

You either back up your claims or apologize.

June 6, 2014 at 1:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I don't think an admitted sex offender trying to pass his opinion off as meritorious can call anyone on the face of the earth "numbskulled".

You're fighting a losing battle, TheSexOffenderJackDennis.

June 6, 2014 at 1:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Zabledeedumbass,

How do you type with Rush Limbaugh's nuts in your mouth and your head so far up the liars at Fox News collective asses?

June 6, 2014 at 1:49 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^ classy

June 6, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Susan Rice is about as credible as a Nigerian email -Greg Gutfeld

June 6, 2014 at 2:19 p.m.
wallyworld said...

zab says: The guy walked away from his post. Stated that he's deserting. Give us the name who asserted this and his authority to make such a judgment, an article, something with facts attached to it.

June 6, 2014 at 2:47 p.m.
Plato said...

wallyworld said...

"Plato, we have heard rumors and that's all - no FACTS yet."

We have had statements from fellow soldiers he was serving with that he voluntarily left the outpost and walked out into Taliban country unarmed for reasons unknown. I consider those to be something more than rumor. But again, until we get statements on the record and under oath, and hear the other side of the story, it's too early to draw a conclusion.

June 6, 2014 at 3:13 p.m.

Wally, Easy, You're foolish. He deserted, all evidence points to that. Why should you libs be believed, but the not his fellow soldiers. Some of his fellow soldiers died looking for him, that's a fact.

Easy, you're a putz. I could say your views fall in line with Rachel Mancow, and about a dozen other lib pundits.

You libs are going to have to prove that he wasn't a deserter, that BO didn't break the law, and that the 5 terrorists let loose is a positive things. Good luck with all of that.

June 6, 2014 at 3:46 p.m.

So are we to believe, even no evidence points it, that he just went for a stroll while smoking his pipe and the Taliban just grabbed him, just him? Or, the Taliban attacked their camp, grabbed just him while no one else noticed? He walked away, deserted, left a note, took off, face it. You're desperate to make him look good because you want to make BO look good. What about the law, and the terrorists released and the future hell they'll unleash on soldiers still there, or on us?

Listen to Susan Rice today backtrack/lie again about what she said last Sunday. Pathetic.

Jack you're right, how can the most brilliant man to ever occupy the WH surround himself with such a collection of morons.

June 6, 2014 at 4 p.m.

The U.S. bargained for a deserter? We're supposed to be ok with that. We let those unrepentant terrorists go for that? There's zero evidence that he was heroic and served with distinction.

June 6, 2014 at 4:19 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

con-man is at it again, with his twins - Why wait for facts and justice, let's just go ahead and judge and punish him now, that is what lynch mobs are good for.

====================

There you go again with your false accusations and straw men.

Now, you post one thing I wrote to back up your claims or I will repeatedly confront you with YOUR claims.

Everything I have written so far is either a fact or Bergdahl's own words.

You either back up your claims or apologize.

June 6, 2014 at 5:07 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

con-man you have heard nothing but hearsay and allegations,. Judicial decisions are made in a court of law by judges and jurors, not in layperson's minds. In this situation, you are neither.

You have judged him (like you do anyone who does not adhere to your rigid interpretation of OT law) and your twin-friend Z-bister also, both in complete ignorance of the law, and keep insisting the guy is a deserter.

And I'll assume you hold Israel in highest regard, perhaps even over the USA, yet you do not damn Israel for negotiating with terrorists clearly identified or at least labeled by US and Israel, for a swap of a single Israeli soldier for multiple Palestinian prisoners. Go figure.

You are gnashing your teeth in darkness.

Peace be with you.

June 6, 2014 at 6:24 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ, maybe he's a deserter, maybe not. But for The Dear One to pull that RoseGarden ditty, was just stupid. And you know it.

June 6, 2014 at 6:31 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind said...

con-man is at it again, with his twins - Why wait for facts and justice, let's just go ahead and judge and punish him now, that is what lynch mobs are good for.

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There you go again with your false accusations and straw men.

Now, you post one thing I wrote to back up your claims or I will repeatedly confront you with YOUR claims.

Everything I have written so far is either a fact or Bergdahl's own words.

You either back up your claims or apologize.

June 6, 2014 at 7:08 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind

You have judged him (like you do anyone who does not adhere to your rigid interpretation of OT law) and your twin-friend Z-bister also, both in complete ignorance of the law, and keep insisting the guy is a deserter.

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Now, you brazenly lie!

June 6, 2014 at 7:10 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Jack, I actually do agree that the Rose Garden event shouldn't have happened. However:

How come you nor Fister will address the FACT that GOP wanted to bargain for Bergdahl's return numerous times before the transaction took place?

How come you nor Fister will address the FACT that over 500 "terrorists" were released from Gitmo between 2007-2009?

How come you nor Fister will address the FACT that these 5 "terrorists" would have to be released or charged prior to the end of the Afghan war in 2016?

How come Timbo will not admit that there is no feasible way that "500 democrats cast votes for Fairbanks"? He has nothing but Enquirer-type speculation and the past voting records from District 1 show that the number of Democrat voters from the primary are in line with the past few elections.

June 6, 2014 at 8:11 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

must have touched a raw nerve...

June 6, 2014 at 10:02 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gassy: 1. Did the GOP (didn't know they had authority to bargain) want to bargain for these particular 5 thugs? 2.The 500 released I would suspicion, were not of the caliber of the dream 5. 3. So maybe they would have been charged.

My turn. Why are you so dead-set on giving this president a pass on every stinkin move he makes?

June 6, 2014 at 10:23 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

I don't give him a pass. Honestly, I don't feel their should have been any Gitmo detainees to trade in the first place. Obama waited too long to close it and by the time he was ready to support a bill, the GOP had control of Congress. I blame Obama for that. I also don't feel there should have been any US troops to be able to desert/be captured by the Taliban. When was he captured, 2009? The troops should've been in the process of being withdrawn. Not fighting missions. I blame Obama for that.

Why do you call these guys the "dream 5"? You do understand that the Taliban is not a typical "terrorist" organization? You do understand that the Taliban was not responsible for 9/11, Al Qaeda was? You do also know that the US has had these guys in captivity for over a decade? Do you honestly feel that if we haven't charged them by now, we are going to charge them in the next couple of years? And one of the "500" lesser-caliber terrorists, as you referred to them, is suspected in the Benghazi attack.

June 6, 2014 at 10:48 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Called the dream team I believe because they're the worst of the worst. I said many times that we should have been out of Afganistan years ago. You seem to be giving these guys a left handed OK. No?

June 6, 2014 at 10:56 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

No, you are calling them the "dream team" because that's what GOP politicians and pundits keep referring to them as. You GOP brethren called leaving Afghanistan "before finishing the job", "surrendering" and "cutting and running". They're pissed because we are leaving two years from now. I'm just saying those guys will be in Afghanistan with absolutely no threat to me. Provided the US doesn't do something stupid and extend the war, the troops should be safe, as well. Having them as a political symbol in US captivity seems more dangerous to me as opposed to them returning to the sh!tty Taliban. The Afghans are Muslim, I know you guys don't give a crap about them.

June 6, 2014 at 11:05 p.m.
wallyworld said...

People on this board keep saying they 'heard' from fellow soldiers that he walked away. Is that how we conduct trials in this country now, by what someone 'reportedly' said, or what Sean Hannity, Bill Kristol. talking heads on right wing radio or that criminal Oliver North says? Why are these sources not out there giving interviews along with their names and credentials. It's still hearsay until we have FACTS presented. Don't buy into this "he's guilty until proven innocent" mindset that has overtaken this so called democracy.

June 7, 2014 at 5:50 a.m.
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