published Friday, June 13th, 2014

True story of VA's problem and other letters to the editors

True story of VA's problem

Below are quotes from two emails from my son, Jason Noll, a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Navy: 5/29/14--1:52 p.m. "I finally went and registered at the VA Tuesday. Been meaning to do it for a while. Now I have to get copies of all my doctor visits and submit them to the claims department. Lady told me that it would be years to process." 5/29/14--8:42 p.m. In response to an email from me asking about his continuing to see his civilian doctor: "The VA thing has nothing to do with seeing my doctor. Speaking of that, I just had to go back to the base to meet my new Navy doctor since I am no longer allowed to have a civilian doctor since I live within 50 miles of a military base. Funny thing is they are still going to take the money out of my monthly check that I paid so I could go see a civilian doctor. Go figure." Does any of this make sense?

PATRICIA NOLL, Chattanooga


VA problems and Obamacare

To all the Obamacare zealots: Impressed by what has finally emerged on the efficacy of VA health care? Take heart. Your turn is just around the corner. Government doing health care is like an elephant trying to crochet.

ALBERT COLONNA, Signal Mountain


On guns and Christianity

We are told not to judge all Muslims by a few extremists, but we then judge all gun owners by a few extremists. Thousands of people die every year as a result of people driving while drunk, and the drunk drivers are punished. We don't punish all drinkers or the alcoholic beverage industry. We don't stop selling automobiles because people are killed by them. We still sell cars capable of speeds over 100 mph when the highest speed limit almost everywhere is 70. President Obama says we are no longer a Christian nation. I hate to agree. Less than 50 percent of our citizens are Christian, and without God man has no conscience. Without heaven and hell, there is no incentive to be good. So where did we lose our way? When as a nation we decided we didn't need God meddling in our affairs any more.

ROBERT BRIGGS, Hixson

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lkeithlu said...

Without heaven and hell there is no incentive to be good? I am not sure I want a nation full of people that are good out of fear rather than a sense of right and wrong.

June 13, 2014 at 7:27 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Class, Class, Class! Please stop all that noise and LISTEN!

Now that You've quieted down, hear this:

Our beloved United States Citizens have a 'pure' and 'wonderful' sense of right and wrong. So, they don't need the element of fear of discipline/punishment to know how to behave. They will just be good little boys and girls...naturally. You know, like the WITHCHCRAFT 'Wickens' who practice the sATANIC Wicca religion.

You know...Wicca..."An it harm none, do what you will." In other words, 'Do what Your will desires, just don't hurt anyone'. BALDERDASH!!! Sadists and Masochists truly believe they are 'harming no one'.

Now! The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world.

So much for having discernment between 'right and wrong'.

Malleus Deum

June 13, 2014 at 8:28 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2011 – about 0.94% of adults in the U.S. resident population.[7] Additionally, 4,814,200 adults at year-end 2011 were on probation or on parole.[11] In total, 6,977,700 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2011.

A 2014 report published by the National Research Council asserts that the prison population of the United States "is by far the largest in the world. Just under one-quarter of the world's prisoners are held in American prisons."[12].~~~Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License~~~

Oh Yeah!@@@...Is it their contention that humanity DOES NOT NEED A SAVIOUR? ARE THEY SAYING WE DO NOT NEED THE LORD JESUS CHIRIST? Are they right? I don't think so!!!***

Malleus Deum

June 13, 2014 at 8:35 a.m.

"Less than 50 percent of our citizens are Christian, and without God man has no conscience. Without heaven and hell, there is no incentive to be good. So where did we lose our way? When as a nation we decided we didn't need God meddling in our affairs any more."

ROBERT BRIGGS, Hixson

Thanks for the laughs.

Anytime I hear that type of christian crap from someone it tells me that individual bears watching as they can't be trusted.

And when grown men can't spell the word Satan correctly out of religious idiocy they bear watching too. Not for any wisdom or knowledge, but for delusions leading to Jim Jones, Fred Phelps, Hagees and Falwells.

Look at the Old Testament as an example of Jehovah's murderous ways and Khrist's Keystone Kops as his modern-day executioners.

Who needs their brand of imaginary saviors? Sure hasn't helped them in their cult of mental illness.

Give a Fundy-NutZ enough rope and he'll hang you in the name of his loving and merciful god.

June 13, 2014 at 8:38 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Most prisoners are Christians, by the way.

June 13, 2014 at 8:56 a.m.
conservative said...

You do not know what you are talking about.

June 13, 2014 at 9:02 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu,

Just wonder'n. Why did You not choose, say, Hollywood Beach, Destin, or, maybe Boca Raton?

kwo

June 13, 2014 at 9:10 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Why?

June 13, 2014 at 9:12 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Con, just because they aren't TROO Christians (TM) like you guys doesn't mean they aren't Christians. Most Americans are. Your opinion of what qualifies as Christian is meaningless.

June 13, 2014 at 9:16 a.m.
conservative said...

Again, you do not know what you are talking about.

June 13, 2014 at 9:25 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu,

I noticed the other day the coined word 'TROO' that You claim with a (TM). Are You sure I didn't slide in to 600 Dulany Street ahead of You? Are You certain the (TM) on 'TROO' does not belong to me? Just wonder'n.

kwo

June 13, 2014 at 9:27 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Anyone who claims to know what constitutes being a Christian and claims that others are not Christian in spite of them saying that they are, I call TROO Christians (TM). I do not mean this as a compliment.

Claiming to know the one true way is the height of arrogance. People do more to drive others to reject all religion when they do this. But of course, like any members of an exclusive club whose sole purpose is to separate oneself from those they consider beneath them, that is exactly what they want and intend.

June 13, 2014 at 9:43 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I have met Christians whose life and works made me desire to believe. (I can't help it. I simply don't and I think I might have lost that ability with belief in all make believe entities like Santa Claus) These people lived as Christ wanted people to live (yes I believe Jesus did exist) but these are exactly the people con and his ilk say aren't Christians. So if con is the example of what a Christian should be, I want no part of it.

June 13, 2014 at 9:50 a.m.
conservative said...

The doctrines of Scripture are the only basis for defining Christianity.

"Saying" as you put it does not make one a Christian unless they have they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior in accordance with the doctrines of Scripture.

A person who lives a life at odds with the doctrines of Scripture is not a Christian regardless of what he "says."

Surely you can think of other areas of life where behavior must be in accordance with set principles, doctrines, standards of a profession, can't you?

June 13, 2014 at 10:07 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

How would you know someone accepted Jesus as their savior unless they told you?

June 13, 2014 at 10:09 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You, by the way, to my untrained eye, don't live according to scripture. You come on a newspaper comment website and claim exclusive rights to the title. Wonder where in the bible that comes from...

I adhere to standards my conscience tells me are right. No fear of hell, no reward in heaven, as I don't believe either exists.

June 13, 2014 at 10:11 a.m.
conservative said...

"These people lived as Christ wanted people to live...."

Again,you have no idea what you are talking about.

Homosexuality, a topic we often discuss is forbidden by God in Scripture as well as all sexual immorality.

Your Homosexual and other sexually immoral friends are NOT living as Christ wants them to live!

June 13, 2014 at 10:27 a.m.
timbo said...

The VA's problem is that government this big cannot be run properly. Somehow this need to be sliced up where it can be managed.

June 13, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
conservative said...

"How would you know someone accepted Jesus as their savior unless they told you?"

Behavior is an indicator but there must also be a public profession.

If someone professes to be a Christian but does not live in accordance to the doctrines of Christianity then that person is obviously not a Christian.

You just refuse to find out for yourself what makes a Christian.

June 13, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.

Have you noticed that the resident Fundy-NutZ never offer evidence of a Jehovah as a real deity? That's because there is no evidence of Jehovah.

If Jesus did exist, he was a mere mortal, lived, died, and his flesh and bones have long since vanished. Did't return, isn't going to return, and the stories about his supernatural abilities are fiction.

"While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in 'tongues' may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity."

There's no need of Jehovah to explain the workings of the universe. As science advances, Jehovah's little group of creationists and fundamental adherents retreat further and further into the background as another cult of ignorance.

June 13, 2014 at 10:39 a.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu said...

You, by the way, to my untrained eye, don't live according to scripture. You come on a newspaper comment website and claim exclusive rights to the title. Wonder where in the bible that comes from...

=========================

"You...claim exclusive rights to the title."

Now, you have gone to the typical Liberal default position whereby when you can't defend your position you must resort to false accusations or personal attacks.

June 13, 2014 at 10:55 a.m.

conservative said... Now, you have gone to the typical Liberal default position whereby when you can't defend your position you must resort to false accusations or personal attacks.

Hilarious! Conservative won't defend his position with any evidence of Jehovah's existence but argues dogma over a book of fiction.

Like a child's belief that Tinkerbelle is real and that Tinkerbelle's magic wand is blue while the other children says it's black. Consulting Walt Disney's films for proof, they kill each other over such trivia. Tinkerbelle, like Jehovah, isn't real, but that doesn't stop those children from killing each other over the True Believers in Tinkerbelle's Blue/Black Magic Wand that doesn't exist.

You can't use reason, logic and science with crazy Fundy-NutZ as their major concerns are the penis, imaginary hell, and making sure as many people as possible are miserable.

What jackasses—but great examples of the countless failures of fundamentalism.

June 13, 2014 at 12:01 p.m.
Plato said...

ROBERT BRIGGS said: "We are told not to judge all Muslims by a few extremists, but we then judge all gun owners by a few extremists."

I would like to challenge Mr. Briggs as to who this "we" is that he speaks of? Virtually everyone I know without exception supports, or at least accepts the right of law abiding citizens to own fire arms. What we do not accept is the rights of criminals, the mentally ill, and terrorists to walk into a "gun show" and purchase an AR-15 a military style anti-personnel weapon without even showing an ID card.

Here is another example of someone that claims to be a "Christian" yet creates a false issue, lies to garner opposition, and then advocates a position that leads to violence or death.

Is it any reason people in growing numbers no longer want to be apart of such hypocritical organizations?

June 13, 2014 at 12:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your bastardization of Christianity impresses no one, con. What you think of me or my lack of belief doesn't matter one whit.

June 13, 2014 at 12:24 p.m.
conservative said...

"Your bastardization of Christianity impresses no one, con"

There you go again.

Not one quote" of mine to support your accusation.

I repeat:

Now, you have gone to the typical Liberal default position whereby when you can't defend your position you must resort to false accusations or personal attacks.

June 13, 2014 at 10:55 a.m.

June 13, 2014 at 12:36 p.m.
conservative said...

"I adhere to standards my conscience tells me are right"

Have you lied or is lying an acceptable standard you "adhere" to?

June 13, 2014 at 12:58 p.m.

conservative said..

"Have you lied or is lying an acceptable standard you "adhere" to?"

What about your lies, Tinkerbelle? You perpetuate the biggest lie of all—a madman Jehovah for which there is no evidence.

“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” ― Anne Lamott

June 13, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++ WE PREACH JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

The point being, without an absolute standard humans may choose any abominable behavior their minds may conceive. Then they call it good. We all need Jesus Christ of Nazareth. You Know We Do!

Malleus Deum

June 13, 2014 at 2:03 p.m.

ORRMEANSLIGHT said... We Preach Jesus CHRIST JESUS

"The point being, without an absolute standard humans choose an abominable behavior their minds may conceive. We all need Jesus Christ of Nazareth. You Know We Do!"

Another Christian Tinkerbelle! Still can't offer evidence of Jehovah, supernatural Jesus, or that the Bible is anything but fiction.

Dead men and imaginary gods can't walk the dog, make coffee, or cut the grass. When Jesus can do something useful, let me know.

Maybe you can get him to bring the beer for my weekend cookout.

Fundy-NutZ like the Tinkerbelle Twins, Orr and Conservative, are the reason we keep religious BS out of schools and government.

June 13, 2014 at 2:14 p.m.
timbo said...

How in the world does this always turn to religion? Why don't you all give it a rest..geez

June 13, 2014 at 4:24 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'm afraid it's the only subject they know. And they don't know it well.

June 13, 2014 at 4:39 p.m.
conservative said...

As an avowed Atheist and proud heathen you are hardly one to teach THEM.

You wrote:

"I adhere to standards my conscience tells me are right"

Have you lied or is lying an acceptable standard you "adhere" to?

June 13, 2014 at 4:51 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++ WE PREACH JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

allahsyoungerbrother,

Corrected Version From Above [no pun intended>.['from above']. +(:>

The point being, without an absolute standard humans may choose any abominable behavior their minds may conceive. Then they call it good. That which constitutes harm to another person is not agreed upon from person-to-person. We all need Jesus Christ of Nazareth. You Know We Do!

Malleus Deum

June 13, 2014 at 5:01 p.m.

You have never provided any evidence for any god, gods, saviors, or demons as being part of reality.

But I might reconsider if Jesus brings beer to the cookout this weekend. No loaves and fishes, but jumbo shrimp would be nice.

Maybe he can do some card tricks, walk across the kiddie pool, and turn tap water into lemonade. Add foot massages all-around and we'll take him to the Waffle House for a early Sunday morning breakfast before he starts getting prayer requests for worthy miracles like a winning year for UT Football and a fifteen year-old Baptist girl's desperate request for her period to please start.

But he can leave Mary Magdalene and his twelve opossums at his house. No riff-raff please.

We'll be watching COSMOS and listening for the Fundy-NutZ heads to explode as Dr. Tyson presents science instead of a revelation.

Somehow, though, I don't JC is gonna show. He's probably busy getting a his Dad a last minute gift of foreskins for Father's Day.

June 13, 2014 at 6:05 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...


June 13, 2014 at 10:46 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Program would not allow me to erase...sorry.

June 13, 2014 at 10:49 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Again, Program would not allow me to erase. I do apologize.

kwo

June 13, 2014 at 10:51 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"You just refuse to find out for yourself what makes a Christian."

A Christian to you is someone that hates gays and acts like a world-class dickhead.

Do you know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? The Methodist will tell you "hello" when you see them at the liquor store.

June 13, 2014 at 11:53 p.m.
conservative said...

Homosexuality is a forgivable sin Gaussianteger. Anyone can be delivered from it's bondage.

Those who refuse to point you to Jesus Christ are the ones who hate you Gaussianteger.

Those who teach you that Homosexuality is acceptable to God are the ones who hate you Gaussianteger.

June 14, 2014 at 7:36 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Batsh!t crazy. That's the most reasonable way to label someone like con-man. See also: deluded, insane, ignorant, arrogant, fool.

June 14, 2014 at 8:06 a.m.

conservative said...

"Those who teach you that Homosexuality is acceptable to God are the ones who hate you Gaussianteger."

Those that teach you that Jehovah and the Bible are real, literal and inerrant want to control you by fear, superstition, and ignorance of the universe.

They hate you have rejected their spirit-crushing religion and inhumanity to choose your own life, and they hope to be the slaver that binds you in chains of unthinking submission.

They never have evidence of the probability of their beliefs, are unable to use logic and science to make their case, but command you to remove all doubt and accept their unholy gibberish as fact. They spout verse from their book of fools as circular evidence that proves nothing.

They have no love for you—only hate for your ability and right to disregard their spurious claims.

Laugh at them, humiliate them, disparage them, and fight them as you would anyone claiming the right to rape your wives and daughters, shackle you in slavery, murder your family, and commit genocide against your people. Those are the Biblical powers they ultimately want. To hold life and death over you just like the Taliban.

Forget the "love thy neighbor" stuff. That's not what they want. That's just a ruse that many cults use. They want the same blind, unwavering devotion to evil as Hitler (a Christian).

Begin early to teach your kids that Jehovah is as imaginary as Spiderman but Spiderman at least has admirable qualities. Show them the Bible stories about Jehovah's mass murder, the slaughter of men, women, and children, and warn them about the Fundy-NutZ who take those stories as real and act accordingly.

Tell them that type of superstitious crap has no place in the 21st century and those beliefs are a leap backwards into the Dark Ages.

You wouldn't want your children to believe in Freddy Krueger, Jason, or the Candyman as real creatures. Why would you want them to believe in Jehovah as real?

June 14, 2014 at 9:52 a.m.

ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Again, Program would not allow me to erase. I do apologize.

kwo

I'm surprised you didn't blame Satan.

Or maybe you need to take that as a sign from above, a prophetic warning, a revelation, that Jesus is tired of your BS.

Or it could be the simple explanation you screwed up again.

June 14, 2014 at 2:07 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"These people lived as Christ wanted people to live (yes I believe Jesus did exist)..." - lkeithlu

You do not say what sort of Jesus you believe existed. Based on your past comments and your declaration of being an atheist I can only assume you believe in a human JC and not a divine, virgin-born one. But there is little evidence that even a fully mortal Jesus lived. Sure, there were plenty of self-proclaimed prophets and wandering preachers 2000 years ago and many whose name was Jesus. But it is highly unlikely that even a mortal Jesus of such magnanimity lived then, with the power and influence to form the foundation of Christianity. Actually, nothing that "Jesus" said or preached was unique philosophically or morally. Virtually everything that he supposedly ever uttered, from the Beatitudes to the notion of loving our enemies to the Golden Rule, had been written or spoken of in the various pagan religions, particularly Taoism, that preceded Christianity.

There is rapidly growing evidence to support the theory that JC is/was a purely mythical character. He is nothing but a metaphor for the sun, which the pagan religions worshiped as God, and his entire story is an allegory for the journey of the sun crossing the sky through the 12 zodiacal signs (symbols of his disciples), culminating in the Winter Solstice (Dec. 25) and then being "reborn" three days later. Also, there were numerous pagan gods with stories nearly identical to the Jesus story, based on virgin birth, dying for our sins, miracle working, 12 disciples as devout followers, etc.

I don't know if you have ever checked out any of the many books on the subject of the mythicism of Christ but it's very interesting and thought provoking. One of the first books I read on it was "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold" by D.M. Murdoch (aka Acharya S). I have since read many other books by her and other authors who support the mythicist position and have become even more convinced that JC never really existed, certainly not as a divine "Son of God" but neither as a flesh-and-blood preacher/prophet/saint worthy of being worshiped or idolized as even the more liberal Christians of today do.

Ms. Murdoch has a website, http://truthbeknown.com/, for those of you who might be unfamiliar with her and would like to learn more about her and her writings. She has written many books on the subject of JC's mythicism and they are all thoroughly researched, enjoyable to read, and most enlightening.

June 14, 2014 at 2:30 p.m.

Rickaroo,

http://truthbeknown.com/ Thanks for the site. Wonderful scholarly work that shows "Christianity" is merely older myths and stories rehashed.

Joseph Campbell's work, such as "Myths to Live By" and "The Power of Myths" also shows Christianity to be just one of many myths through the centuries.

The Bill Moyer's interviews with Professor Campbell from 1986-87 are eye-opening, entertaining, and educational.

As always when dealing with fundies though, they won't read, watch, or even entertain the idea that they could be wrong. It's too easy living in the Romper Room of childish fundamentalism.

But there is reason to hope. Southern Baptist membership is continuing to fall along with other fundamentalist denominations. Children learn science in schools at a younger age that challenges and flies in the face of creationism, and as many young people get old enough, they leave fundamentalism behind as the empty, life-killing institution it is.

Science has loosened the chains of all religion, but particularly fundamentalism.

Now if we can keep the Jehovah, Jesus, and Allah freaks out of all governments worldwide, there's a chance humanity won't be destroyed by sectarian numbnuts.

June 14, 2014 at 7:44 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ayb, if you haven't seen her website before, I hope you derive a lot of satisfaction from it. I refer to it often. There is another one that she has created, http://freethoughtnation.com/, that is much broader in scope than just her own books and speeches and essays. I have learned a lot from several of her books that I have read. I don't know if you use Kindle or Nook or any of the e-readers but all of her books - or most of them anyway - are available in e-editions. I read Campbell's "The Power of Myths" not long ago and it was excellent.

You are right, there is reason to hope that the chains of fundamentalist lunacy are loosening, but it still boggles my mind that so many people today so readily dismiss and deride science as the work of the "devil" and cling to nonsensical, childish superstitious religious beliefs that anyone with half a brain should have seen through a long time ago. And those who are clinging to those primitive beliefs are doing everything they possibly can to drag us back into the Dark Ages with them. It's downright creepy and depressing. I'm 64 and doubt that I will see a Renaissance of thinking, or a 21st century rebirth of the Age of Reason, in my lifetime, but I truly hope that something like that will transpire before long. It's staggering to think what positive, life-affirming, progressive things this nation could accomplish if we could once and for all throw off the shackles of Christian fundamentalism that still have their stranglehold on such a large swath of our society, not to mention a significant segment of our government.

June 14, 2014 at 9:51 p.m.
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