published Saturday, June 14th, 2014

What to do when confronted with too many shootings?

They have become a gruesome sign of the times: Shootings that really have no clear motivation — just a gnawing hole of hate in the shooters. Shootings that plant a cancer of insecurity in the public psyche.

The headline at the top of page A7 in Thursday's Times Free Press posed a question none of us really wants to contemplate: "What to do if confronted with a gunman?"

The story, by Sadie Gurman of The Associated Press, was pegged to three public shootings -- all in the past couple of weeks.

On June 5, the week before, a gunman opened fire at Seattle Pacific University, killing one student and wounding two others. As he tried to reload, a student building monitor rushed out of his office, pepper-sprayed the gunman, grabbed the weapon and hid it in his office. The monitor and another student held the gunman down until police arrived. Police say his actions probably saved lives.

On Sunday in Las Vegas, an armed couple shot and killed two police officers at a pizza parlor, then went to a nearby Walmart, waved their guns and announced that they were starting a revolution. A shopper carrying a concealed weapon tried to stop the man, but the shopper was killed by the gunman's wife. Later, in the back of the store, police fatally wounded the gunman, and the wife committed suicide. Police say the shopper died "trying to protect others."

And on Tuesday in Troutdale, Ore., a 15-year-old high school student brought an AR-15-type rifle, a handgun, loaded magazines and a large knife to school. He fatally shot a fellow student and wounded a teacher. The teacher made his way to an office and alerted officials. Police say he most likely prevented additional deaths. The shooter eventually took his own life.

Strangers killing strangers. Just because the shooters are filled with displaced hate.

Scarier still, it has become so commonplace that The Associated Press thinks the public needs a what-to-do story.

"At a time when shootings seem to happen almost daily, The Associated Press asked experts: How should Americans react if someone opens fire at work, at school or at a theater or store?"

Here's the experts' short answer: Run if you can. Hide if you can't run, preferably in a room behind a locked door. Fight back only as a last resort.

Clearly, fighting back is iffy, and carrying your own concealed weapon is no magic bullet. The Las Vegas shopper is dead, and despite his efforts, his own gun didn't protect him or anybody else.

But experts say if you do fight back, make it count: "You want to act with speed and total surprise, and you want to get a fire extinguisher or a pair of scissors or a chair... ," said Bo Mitchell, president of 911 Consulting. And you want to act with aggression. A Department of Homeland Security video adds this advice: Commit to taking the shooter down, no matter what.

What The Associated Press story doesn't ask is why good people don't pitch tents at their lawmakers' front doors to insist they pass sensible gun-buying checks to close permit loopholes, insist they require sensible background checks including a mental health review and insist our laws hold parents criminally liable when their minor children gain access to firearms that the parents should have had secured.

What the story doesn't ask is when are we going to have enough of these senseless public hate shootings to snap us out of our ostrich trance?

That answer is simple.

We've already had far too many shootings. The time for action is now.

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aae1049 said...

"including a mental health review." The truth is that mental health reviews are not a predictor of future behavior. Ask mental health professionals if screenings can predict erratic behavior. The answer is absolutely not.

We cannot legislate out future episodes of mental illness behaviors and episodes are completely unpredictable. Does this mean that good people should give up their only means of protection, I don't think so.

June 14, 2014 at 12:12 a.m.
conservative said...

Ms. Sohn asks why good people don't pitch tents at their lawmaker's front door.

She will not, just like she will not buy that rowboat and emergency supplies she recommends "good people" get because of global warming.

She will also stick around nuclear plants and continue to drive her fossil fueler and spew carbon when she uses her air conditioner and other electrical comforts from using fossil fuels.

Someone needs to enjoy life, it might as well be her.

June 14, 2014 at 7:16 a.m.
conservative said...

Well put aae1049.

Since it is Liberals who are doing the shootings the only mental health and moral health question we need ask is - are you a Liberal?

June 14, 2014 at 7:25 a.m.
Ki said...

Actually conserv- all those shooters have come from right-wingnut thinking and ideology. The Las Vegas couple who went on that shooting spree boasted about having been at Cliven Bundy's ranch along with other right wingNUT militia extremist. Make sure you've researched your facts before spewing your venom.

June 14, 2014 at 7:59 a.m.
Easy123 said...

These Right WingNut morons have never concerned themselves with facts.

June 14, 2014 at 8:03 a.m.
conservative said...

Actually if you were to check into their beliefs you would find them quite Liberal.

Little or no respect for the lives of others is a Liberal trait.

You will also find that Liberals tend to be Atheists.

June 14, 2014 at 8:11 a.m.
timbo said...

Easy123...another intelligent, well thought out comment...yea, right. Believe me, there might be some right-wing nuts but that is the pot calling the kettle black.

Why don't you educate us again about pharmaceutical production. Doctors? Ignorance is no excuse.

June 14, 2014 at 10:08 a.m.
Ki said...

Cough! Cough! Actually conserv their belief system is quite right up there with YOU conservative extremist and other gun toting fruitcakes.

June 14, 2014 at 11:18 a.m.
Easy123 said...


They just make it up as they go along here. Lies-a-plenty.

June 14, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.

"The teen suspected of entering Reynolds High School Tuesday and killing one student before shooting himself was an active member of his Mormon church and was “highly regarded for his spirituality,” a church elder told NBC Wednesday.Michael Padgett and his ex-wife Kristina said they are at a loss for how and why the shooting occurred. The letter states they taught Jared Padgett and their other children the values of compassion, forgiveness, patience and love in Jesus Christ."

Another "Killer for Khrist" like Eric Rudolph.

June 14, 2014 at 1:12 p.m.


You are majoring in the minors. lesser in importance, seriousness, or significance.



Slaughter House Abortions in the United States per year = ONE POINT TWENTY-ONE MILLION!!! Well beyond/over ONE MILLION INNOCENT CHILDREN ARE BEING KILLED PER YEAR! I already know that Liberal Democrats don't consider anything like that worthy of their protestations.

Malleus Deum

June 14, 2014 at 10:31 p.m.

ORRMEANSLIGHT said... +++ WE PREACH JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++and other make-believe events. We Christians have been making up this BS for 2,000 years. Add walking on water, Noah's Ark, the Exodus, and other tales of creationism, magic, and murder and we can start our own SyFy channel for the slow of mind and anti-science illiterates. Selling Christian snake-oil pays big bucks too! Just look at BIlly Graham, John Hagee, Joel Osteen, RIck Warren, and the McMansion churches they build. Giant crosses, private jets, luxury homes — Jesus be raking in the money to pay his holy pimps.

Isn't that what you meant to say? Still waiting on evidence that Jehovah, Jesus, and the Bible are real.

You still have none.

June 14, 2014 at 10:58 p.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Actually Conservative, a cocksure attitude that God talks to them is the sign of most conservatives. And I imagine the voices in your head are confused by you as God. Imagine the arrogance of a pompous fool who thinks of the 7 billion people on this earth, YOU have all the answers and the moral high ground to judge others.

June 15, 2014 at 9:33 a.m.
conservative said...

Troubled Hunter?

Matthew 11:28-30

June 15, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Well, gosh darn, KO...seein' as how you put it that way, gun deaths are practically nothin', huh? Makes a fella wonder what all the fuss is about! What's a mere 10,000 gun deaths in the face of all those abortions and HIV infections? I'd say we have some serious catchin' up to do. Come on, ya'll...what say we all pull together and let those bullets fly! Guns for kids, guns for grandmas and grandpas, guns for God's warriors! Let's give out guns as door prizes and put 'em in with boxes of detergent (a gun in the bottom of every box of Gain powder!). A gun for every man, woman, and child in these here God-blessed gun-lovin' United States. Yee-haw! God bless our guns and damn the homos and abortion doctors to hell!

June 15, 2014 at 3:15 p.m.


All deaths are serious matters. The Lord God of Hosts was very plain/clear when He said 'Thou Shat Not Murder'.

Most gunshot deaths take between less than 1 second to 30 seconds for the victim to die. This depends whether shot in the brain, heart, etc.

Now, what about those who have chosen a homosexual lifestyle and ultimately require Hospice care? Well, except for the myriad of contagious opportunistic infections which can cause death rather quickly, HIV/AIDS Hospice Patients die a slow, agonizing, lonely death. Aside from miracles, every HIV victim will eventually die from the virus effects.

The homosexual population treatment is extremely costly and has already bankrupted many Hospice and other treatment centers. AIDS, I believe will eventually bankrupt city and county governments. This, especially as the liberal democrats vote in same-sex union benefits.

Malleus Deum

June 15, 2014 at 8:13 p.m.

Rick, How about a shootout over whether there's really a Trinity, sprinkling verses dunking, and women who must be quiet in church verses the galloping gibberish tongue snappers. Arm the Calvinist Presbyterians and Calvinist Lutherans with AK-47s and pit them against the Southern Baptist and Pentecostals with M-16s for a "Jesus Take-All" fight to the finish.

Think of all the Fundy-NutZ that get their ticket punched to Gehennah.

The last fundy standing gets a Giant Cross to display for "Love Thy Neighbor" services, an autographed picture of Jesus (the blond, blue-eyed JC, not the evil-looking Middle-Eastern dude), a copy of Martin Luther's Jewish Joke Book, Fred Phelp's pajama bottoms, and an evening with Conservative and Orr at Abba's Coffee House (where Jesus gets the El Hefe with loaves and fishes sprinkles).

Have the shootout in one of those giant Baptist Church gymnasiums (no poor people, please) and some Christian Crooning Jug Band for musical entertainment singing sad, weepy, bloody Christ songs, a monster truck covered in Jesus fish stickers crushing unsubmissive women at half-time, and a kiddie pool with burning oil for parents with disobedient children.

Add Add the Happy Hugely Obese Gospel Quartet with the obligatory 500 pound turkey-necked woman hanky-waver complete with crocodile tears, and you've got yourself Fantastic Fundy-NutZ Fun for the entire dysfunctional Fundy family.

Show the young'uns how real Christians kill.

The rest of us are the winners.

June 15, 2014 at 8:21 p.m.


In 2008, Medicare alone, which pays for 80% of hospice treatment, paid $10 billion to the 4,000 Medicare-certified providers in the United States.[8][10]

Gay activists Monday announced plans to convert a Hollywood apartment building into an 18-bed AIDS hospice. Gary Jonker, president of the nonprofit Christopher Street West/Los Angeles, which sponsors the annual Gay and Lesbian Pride Celebration in West Hollywood, said the group plans to close escrow this week.

The San Fernando Valley's only AIDS hospice, Pioneer House, reopened Saturday after a six-month closure to get its financial and legal affairs in order. "The treating of AIDS has strained our resources, both human and financial," said John Maceri, executive director of Homestead Hospice & Shelter..

June 15, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.


Following are some of the items our tax dollars pay for HIV/AIDS infected individuals: Those who chose the homosexual lifestyle seem t

Primary care providers

• Lab, x-ray, and other diagnostic tests • Medical/dental equipment and supplies • Medical Case Management • Electronic Medical Records • Patient Education, in conjunction with medical care • Transportation for clinical care provider staff to provide care • Other clinical and diagnostic services regarding HIV/AIDS and periodic medical evaluations of individuals with HIV/AIDS infections .• HIV Counseling • The following core medical services have historically been paid by Parts A or B (Titles I or II) but not Part C (Title III), and should only be provided by Part C with justification. • AIDS Drug Assistance Program • Health Insurance Premium and cost sharing assistance for low income individuals • Home health care • Hospice Services • Home and community-based health services as defined under Part B. • Continuous Quality Improvement (CQI) activities • Clinical Quality management coordination • Data collection for clinical quality management purposes • Consumer involvement to improve services • Staff training/technical assistance (including travel and registration) to improve services- this includes the annual clinical update and the biennial All Grantee Meeting, as well as local travel to meetings not directly related to patient care. • Patient transportation to medical appointments • Staff travel to provide support services • Outreach to identify people with HIV, or at-risk of contracting HIV, to educate them about the benefits of early intervention and link them into primary care. • Translation services, including interpretation services for deaf persons • Patient education materials for general use • Participation in Statewide coordinated Statement of Need process • Patient advocates to maintain access to care • Respite Care (historically paid by Parts A or B (Titles I or II) but not Part C (Title III), and should only be provided by Part C with justification). • Rent, utilities, and other facility support costs • Personnel costs and fringe benefits of staff members responsible for the management of the project (such as Project Director and program coordinator), non-CQI program evaluation, non-CQI data collection/reporting, supervision, and other administrative, fiscal, or clerical duties • Telecommunications, including telephone, fax, paper and internet access • Postage • Liability insurance • Office supplies • Audits • Payroll/Accounting services • Computer hardware/software not directly related to patient care • Program evaluation, including data collection for evaluation. • Family-centered primary and specialty medical care • Support services • Logistical support and coordination.

Malleus Deum

June 15, 2014 at 8:54 p.m.


"WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED and other assorted nonsense."

Could you preach Jesus discoing? Maybe preach Jesus having a Bar-B-Que, or preach Jesus swimming in a shark-filled tank?

Preach Jesus doing the cut-and-paste like you? Preach Jesus marching in a Gay Pride Day festivity? Preach Jesus while drinking a glass of water and see if your lips move? Preach Jesus riding a Tyrannosaurus Rex while lassoing a triceratops and whistling Dixie?

There's so many fun ways to preach Jesus but no, you have to preach Jesus hanging around, planning his big Come-back Tour in 37 CE. Sadly, like Jim Morrison, it's not going to happen.

And you know as much about gun-deaths and HIV as you do about science. Zero.

June 15, 2014 at 9:11 p.m.
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