published Sunday, June 22nd, 2014

The Washington ...

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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TheJackDennis said...

The Redskins team name represents everything that's wrong with this country & should be changed immediately: to the Maryland Redskins. - Barney Franken

June 22, 2014 at 12:05 a.m.

GO REDSKINS! I go to Arizona and New Mexico a lot, and have for years. I can't even say how many times I've seen native Americans wearing Redskins hats, jackets, tshirts, etc.

Once again this is about control.

Now the US Patent Office can be used as a weapon to intrude into our lives.

The IRS and now this. We have a disaster on our southern border, a POTUS who won't do is job, we let 5 vicious American hating terrorists free, illegal aliens with diseases crossing at will, potential terrorists crossing as well, and a football teams stupid nickname needs to a topic on the Senate floor?

You libs are mentally ill.

I hope Dan Snyder sues for billions. Or, I hope he pulls out of the NFL and forms another league. They have millions of fans, as solid a fan base as there is, they're in one of the most lucrative TV markets, and in one the wealthiest parts of the country.

This guy didn't start this team, he's only owned this team for a relatively short time. The way the media is going after him, particularly the snotty libs on ESPN, like Keith Olberman, you would think this guy was Adolf Hitler.

June 22, 2014 at 9:13 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Who is Snyder going to sue? I believe the law says that you cannot sue the US for damages unless the government consents to it.

It is a tempest in a teapot.

June 22, 2014 at 10:03 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

The racial component is one thing. The US Patent Office quite another. No way this agency should be involved in this dispute.

June 22, 2014 at 10:07 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Change the vikings name. It discriminates against people who use boats. Change the giants for all the big people out there. Braves? Mets? Yankees? Cowboys? Shoot, i have heard the word cub used to describe african americans, lets change Chicago's team name to the Laser Beams. Lets try and make every one happy all the time

June 22, 2014 at 10:27 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Right WingNuts always clinging to racism.

If they were called the Washington White Crackers, would it bother you? Or the Washington Pale Faces? Maybe the Washington White Devils? Or the Washington Hillbillies?

The name is blatantly offensive to a group of people. What part of that don't you psychopaths understand? Since when are their so many Redskin fans? Gotta fight to keep those racist names!

If you really wanted people to think you weren't racist, Right WingNuts, it might help if you stopped supporting racism. Just a thought.

June 22, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

I find that renaming the Redskins is offensive to me.

June 22, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"GO REDSKINS! I go to Arizona and New Mexico a lot, and have for years. I can't even say how many times I've seen native Americans wearing Redskins hats, jackets, tshirts, etc."

BULLSH!T.

"Once again this is about control."

Or it could just be about trying to get rid of a racist name.

"Now the US Patent Office can be used as a weapon to intrude into our lives."

The name has been deemed a racial slur by the US Patent Office. Having a patent on a racial slur is illegal.

"The IRS and now this. We have a disaster on our southern border, a POTUS who won't do is job, we let 5 vicious American hating terrorists free, illegal aliens with diseases crossing at will, potential terrorists crossing as well, and a football teams stupid nickname needs to a topic on the Senate floor?"

You obviously have no clue how government works. You support the party that prides itself on obstructionism and you're going to bitch about stuff not getting done? Pardon me while no one takes you seriously.

"You libs are mentally ill."

That doesn't carry much weight coming from someone as out of touch with reality as yourself.

"I hope Dan Snyder sues for billions. Or, I hope he pulls out of the NFL and forms another league. They have millions of fans, as solid a fan base as there is, they're in one of the most lucrative TV markets, and in one the wealthiest parts of the country."

Sues whom? Forms a league of 1? The Redskin fan base is pushing toward a name change. The things you say are dumb. Just the most ignorant drivel ever typed and put on the Internet.

"This guy didn't start this team, he's only owned this team for a relatively short time. The way the media is going after him, particularly the snotty libs on ESPN, like Keith Olberman, you would think this guy was Adolf Hitler."

Cry me a river, whiner. Is there ever a time where you people AREN'T trying to play the victim? Incessant bitching and moaning from your ilk.

June 22, 2014 at 10:41 a.m.
Easy123 said...

The individual that admitted to being a sex offender, TheJackDennis,

"I find that renaming the Redskins is offensive to me."

I find that you're a liar.

June 22, 2014 at 10:42 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Easy. Hanging on by a thread.

June 22, 2014 at 10:47 a.m.
Easy123 said...

I know you are. You don't have to tell me, admitted sex offender,TheJackDennis.

June 22, 2014 at 10:47 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "GO REDSKINS! I go to Arizona and New Mexico a lot, and have for years. I can't even say how many times I've seen native Americans wearing Redskins hats, jackets, tshirts, etc."

Hoo boy...time to don those hip-waders.

"Once again this is about control."

No it isn't you sawed-off jerk. It's about offensive connotations that for the most part, have gone the wayside throughout this country, in favor of more neutral team names.

"Now the US Patent Office can be used as a weapon to intrude into our lives."

And as usual, how does this case intrude into YOUR life for so much as one second?

"We have a disaster on our southern border, a POTUS who won't do is job, we let 5 vicious American hating terrorists free, illegal aliens with diseases crossing at will, potential terrorists crossing as well, and a football teams stupid nickname needs to a topic on the Senate floor?"

I've told you several times, that if you have an ounce of conviction, you'll pack your bags, hop a plane, and go down there and stand a post, protecting the United States from all these alleged dangerous illegal immigrants.

"You libs are mentally ill."

It's scary to think you are a shining example of sanity.

"I hope Dan Snyder sues for billions. Or, I hope he pulls out of the NFL and forms another league."

That would be certain bankruptcy in a matter of months. Who is the team going to play?

"They have millions of fans, as solid a fan base as there is, they're in one of the most lucrative TV markets, and in one the wealthiest parts of the country."

The team does not have enough fans to go it alone outside of the NFL.

Sooner or later, he will bow to contemporary wisdom. He's going to get tired of defending the lawsuits.

But don't let that stop your silly pipe dream. Everyone has them. Yours are always way out there in outer-space.

"This guy didn't start this team, he's only owned this team for a relatively short time."

15 years is a short time?

June 22, 2014 at 10:51 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

The usual suspects get riled up if they see objections to govt. control. Very predictable.

June 22, 2014 at 11:07 a.m.
Easy123 said...

The usual suspects are oblivious. Very predictable.

Riled up? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Look in the mirror.

"govt control"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Yeah, right!

Your projections are of no consequence to any thinking person here.

June 22, 2014 at 11:09 a.m.

The irony of you calling me a "sawed off jerk" is hilarious, Alprova, given your current physical state.

The team has been around for what 80 years or something. He didn't name the team. Yeah, it is a short time.

Who said they would go at it alone? He could pull out, use their huge following as a base for a new league. Of course they would have to have other teams, morons.

easy, you pms riddled turd, I've been going to Arizona and New Mexico my entire life. Most of my family lives out there.

Like I said, I can't say how many times I've seen native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise over the decades. Same thing in Oklahoma, which I've through more times than I can count.

You liberal pricks, it is about control. It supremely dangerous to our freedom to have the IRS and the US patent office by used as political weapon.

You're so mind-numbed that you've lost your ability to think.

Yeah, inq, it a tempest in tea pot created by you libs.

June 22, 2014 at 11:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"Who said they would go at it alone? He could pull out, use their huge following as a base for a new league. Of course they would have to have other teams, morons."

You implied it, moron. What other teams would join them, dumbass? How many people do you think follow the Redskins? Not enough to be the fan base for an entire new league, moron. The things you say are asinine. Absolute nonsense.

"easy, you pms riddled turd, I've been going to Arizona and New Mexico my entire life. Most of my family lives out there."

Who cares? That, literally, means nothing. Try to conjure up some more bullsh!t, loser.

"Like I said, I can't say how many times I've seen native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise over the decades. Same thing in Oklahoma, which I've through more times than I can count."

BULLSH!T.

"You liberal pricks, it is about control. It supremely dangerous to our freedom to have the IRS and the US patent office by used as political weapon."

Again, the name has been deemed a racial slur by the US Patent Office. Having a patent on a racial slur is illegal. How is that a political weapon?

"You're so mind-numbed that you've lost your ability to think."

Laughable coming from you. Tell me more about what Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have to say on subject, you mindless putz. It's quite obvious that "thinking" isn't very high on your daily To-Do list.

June 22, 2014 at 11:14 a.m.

He could pull out of the NFL and join the CFL. He has more options than you know. If he can't work out that, or something else. He could sell the franchise. It's easily worth over a billion dollars, more.

Having no recourse against the government proves how out of control the government is. Who do they have to answer to?

Liberalism is a disease.

June 22, 2014 at 11:15 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableebumbass,

"He could pull out of the NFL and join the CFL. He has more options than you know. If he can't work out that, or something else. He could sell the franchise. It's easily worth over a billion dollars, more."

First, it was start his own league. Now, it's join the Canadian league. The Canadian League? It doesn't have half the following of the NFL and doesn't make a fifth of the revenue. You're grasping at straws trying to invent ideas that are completely insane. Nothing you say is remotely intelligent.

"Having no recourse against the government proves how out of control the government is. Who do they have to answer to?"

You act like their was a time where people could sue the government and win. The government answers to each other. That's how the government has always worked, moron.

"Liberalism is a disease."

Whatever you are is way beyond "disease". It's a full-blown psychological, physical, emotional disability that poisons everything.

June 22, 2014 at 11:21 a.m.

FOX News..you mean the network led by Rupert Murdoch, the man who met with Valerie Jarret the other day to discuss how to make illegal aliens citizens? Really conservative.

They would be an anchor franchise in the league. They're one of the most popular teams in sports, period. There're plenty of wealth people out there with money to blow. Not the entire league, you dumb ass.

Maybe if you got of your mommy's basement more, and change your pads more often, you'd think more clearly.

June 22, 2014 at 11:21 a.m.
MasterBlaster said...

Liberalism is indeed a disease, when viewed from a crippled, atrophied mind. For the rest of us, it's a blessing, and a gift from the gods...

June 22, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.

The guy has many options, actually. But, of course given that we live in a growing police state, in which government agencies are used to push everyone around who doesn't have the correct political view, he'll probably have to change the name. Then you libs will go on to someone else you can bully.

June 22, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"They would be an anchor franchise in the league. They're one of the most popular teams in sports, period. There're plenty of wealth people out there with money to blow. Not the entire league, you dumb ass."

The Washington Redskins would not be an anchor franchise in any league. They might be in the top 50 most popular teams in American sports. And that's a big "might". You said they could start their own league, dipsh!t. YOU said it. I guess you're too dumb to remember what you even type here.

"Maybe if you got of your mommy's basement more, and change your pads more often, you'd think more clearly."

It's impossible for you to think clearly with your head stuck so far up your own ass. You're terminally ignorant. Your 4th grade education is failing you.

June 22, 2014 at 11:27 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"The guy has many options, actually."

Name one that makes sense. I bet you can't.

"But, of course given that we live in a growing police state, in which government agencies are used to push everyone around who doesn't have the correct political view, he'll probably have to change the name."

Blah, blah, blah, blah... No one takes your bullsh!t seriously.

"Then you libs will go on to someone else you can bully."

Your incessant whining amuses me.

June 22, 2014 at 11:30 a.m.

They could join the CFL, help start a new league, he could sell the team for a hell of a lot. The guy is a billionaire. He knows other billionaires..who knows.

It is about control

"A gift from GOD", Blaster? LOL Then he's one cruel God.

June 22, 2014 at 11:34 a.m.

If he has to change the name, or be forced to, he'll have to compensated.

June 22, 2014 at 11:36 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"They could join the CFL, help start a new league, he could sell the team for a hell of a lot. The guy is a billionaire. He knows other billionaires..who knows."

CFL? No, insane. Start a new league? No, insane. Sell the team? The name will still get changed. You obviously DON'T know.

"It is about control"

It doesn't matter how much you say it, it'll never be true. The only thing this "controls" is racism.

""A gift from GOD", Blaster? LOL Then he's one cruel God."

You must not read the Bible.

June 22, 2014 at 11:37 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"If he has to change the name, or be forced to, he'll have to compensated."

Bullsh!t. The name will change eventually whether Snyder owns the team or not. It's inevitable. There is no "force" involved, dipsh!t. He's not going to get compensated whatsoever for a name change. Snyder is already on the wrong side of history regarding this issue.

June 22, 2014 at 11:39 a.m.

He will be compensated. The patent decision will cost the team millions in merchandise dollars, it will also cost the NFL millions..more. Snyder isn't on the wrong side of anything. He bought the team with the name. He didn't name them.

How do you know I was referring to the Bible? I just mentioned God.

June 22, 2014 at 11:49 a.m.

What about the Chicago Blackhawks, the Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians? What about the Cleveland Browns? The name is a shortened version of the "Brown Bomber" the nickname for Joe Louis. The owner couldn't used it so he uses the shortened version. Is that offensive? Vikings surely is. Is Cowboys offensive to native Americans as well? What about cows? It's surely sexist because it leaves out girls.

Oklahoma is a native American word for red. So, are they insulting themselves.

Why would a native American wear Redskins hats, jackets and more. I've seen it so many times in the southwest.

You libs need to stop meddling.

June 22, 2014 at noon

How about changing the name of Washington D.C.? Washington was a slave owner, isn't that offensive to Black Americans? Washington sate as well. Anything with Washington in it.

June 22, 2014 at 12:08 p.m.

Change the name of the Washington monument as well. You libs can build a rounded like monument that resembles an ass next to the Washington monument, and modify the Washington monument a bit.

The newly named monuments will glorify sodomy. Since you rank that higher than the first amendment on your list of rights.

June 22, 2014 at 12:16 p.m.
limric said...

Not bad today Mr. Bennett. You did however miss a golden opportunity to present what a replacement name and pennant should be. --- So I will.

I’m not offended in the least about the name “Redskins.” I am offended that such a noble race is associated with Washington DC. A more fitting name would be the “Washington Gangsters.” A black pennant trimmed with gold scrambled eggs and a caricature of a snarling Dick Cheney (or other criminal politician of which there are many). In curved annotation under the portrait, their motto: “Heads we win, tails you lose.”

It is, as inquiringmind said, ”a tempest in a teapot.”

June 22, 2014 at 12:24 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Zab, keep it up and you may see another giant meltdown by the young sociopath. It promises to be funny, too.

June 22, 2014 at 12:31 p.m.

LOL, yeah Jack.

Good name , limric. I'd suggest the Washington Whores, but it would be deeply insulting to whores.

June 22, 2014 at 12:41 p.m.
GameOn said...

Name them the Foreskins. D.C. Offers a never ending supply of mascots.

June 22, 2014 at 12:43 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^would be deeply egregious to the uncircumcised crowd.

June 22, 2014 at 12:47 p.m.

How about the Washington Massa (master). Since we're pretty much slaves anyway to the corrupt, corporate whores we call Senators, Congressman, presidents, and bureaucrats.

June 22, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.

How about a logo featuring Harry Reid, since he can't stop bitching about this on the Senate floor. He could be holding the severed heads of the Koch brothers, which is his primary obsession. He's perfect. The perfect hypocrite. A thoroughly corrupt politician/corporate whore, condemning donors that won't donate to him. If they dropped a load on him he'd suddenly change his mind, and demand that the logo be changed to something else.

June 22, 2014 at 1:07 p.m.
fairmon said...

How many American natives has anyone talked to about this issue? I am confident most couldn't care less one way or the other. The same folks that have not visited the border and witnessed the immigrants dilemma and threat that insist all is well and the only solution needed is amnesty jump in line to throw stones on this issue.

Has political correctness become the means of limiting freedom of speech? Harry Reid accidentally took the right position when he said he would not attend another game as long as that was the team name. Those sharing his opinion should not attend, should not buy products sponsoring games and should not watch them on TV? Let the chips fall where they may.

The man is shrewd and is awaiting the fever pitch as he builds up an inventory of Redskin paraphernalia which will bring a fortune as the last items available. Then he will sell an equal number of the new logo since most true fans want something with the name on it. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already identified the new name and producing the new products in anticipation of the name change. Timing is critical to maximize gains and help those like Harry Reid further reveal his ignorance.

Will the patent office now review any patent application for the possibility of political incorrectness or being offensive to some group in the world? I don't think you will find that in their current criteria or charter.

June 22, 2014 at 2:29 p.m.
fairmon said...

A proper action would be to insist Pittsburgh give up the name pirates and allow Washington to use it, it is appropriate there.

June 22, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.

Good post, fairmon. Let the chips fall where they may. Let the market determine what will happen. The Redskins make a huge profit in merchandise. That means folks aren't offended. I mentioned my experience in the southwest. Why would a Native American wear a Redskins hat, shirt or jacket if it were offensive. This smells like a rat, and the rat looks like Harry Reid. The logo has a noble feel to it/dignifed profile. It's not an offensive caricature like the Cleveland Indians chief wahoo logo. If the Indians want to remove it, fine, but they shouldn't be forced to.

June 22, 2014 at 3:16 p.m.

Why would the patent office revoke the logo? The logo isn't offensive.

June 22, 2014 at 3:25 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Z- read the whole news story, it tells you the reasoning. Agree with it or not, but it is there.

Free speech ? Well, laws pertaining to "hate crimes" always run perilously close to inhibiting an otherwise free expression of ideas. Quite the dilemma caused by lack of using common sense.

Of course, going around and calling someone the "N-word" might be permissible, but it still remains a crass thing suggestive of a racial bias for a caucasian person to use referring to someone of African-American heritage. (Remember, every thing that is permissible is not necessarily good to do.)

If people used common sense many of the "problems" would go away, unfortunately, as these pages show, lack of common sense is a common problem.

Fairmon, were that to happen then Washington football would have to be called the "Stealers" more apt than pirates but still in the same vein.

June 22, 2014 at 3:40 p.m.

Sorry, inq, it's about control. You libs are good at the panic thing. It's a whole lot about nothing, absolutely. It's not the same as the n word..nothing like it. We're supposed to believe that everyone that wears Redskin merchandise and is a fan is racist? That would include native American's themselves. This is garbage meant to distract from what really matters. Why doesn't the government go after rap music and the names of certain rap songs? Native Americans don't have a problem with the name Oklahoma, which means red people. This is just liberal PC. Stamping your feet, and pissing in your pants until you get what you want.

June 22, 2014 at 4:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedipsh!t,

I guess you're too dumb to know that the people in the trademark cases are Native American.

The following groups have passed resolutions or issued statements regarding their opposition to the name of the Washington NFL team:

Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians

Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma

Comanche Nation of Oklahoma

The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (Washington)

Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians (Michigan)

Hoh Indian Tribe

Inter Tribal Council of Arizona

Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes

Juaneño Band of Mission Indians (California)

Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Michigan)

Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians, Gun Lake Tribe (Michigan)

Menominee Tribe of Indians (Wisconsin)

Oneida Indian Nation (New York)

Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin

Navajo Nation Council

Penobscot Nation

Poarch Band of Creek Indians

Samish Indian Nation (Washington)

Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Michigan)

Shoshone-Bannock Tribes (Idaho)

Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (North Dakota)

The Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation (North Dakota)

United South and Eastern Tribes (USET)

June 22, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Organizations:

Advocates for American Indian Children (California)

American Indian Mental Health Association (Minnesota)

American Indian Movement

American Indian Opportunities Industrialization Center of San Bernardino County

American Indian Student Services at the Ohio State University

American Indian High Education Consortium

American Indian College Fund

Americans for Indian Opportunity

Association on American Indian Affairs

Buncombe County Native American Inter-tribal Association (North Carolina)

Capitol Area Indian Resources (Sacramento, CA)

Concerned American Indian Parents (Minnesota)

Council for Indigenous North Americans (University of Southern Maine)

Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples’ Alliance

First Peoples Worldwide

Fontana Native American Indian Center, Inc. (California)

Governor’s Interstate Indian Council

Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission

Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council (Wisconsin)

HONOR – Honor Our Neighbors Origins and Rights

Kansas Association for Native American Education

Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs

Medicine Wheel Inter-tribal Association (Louisiana)

Minnesota Indian Education Association

National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)

National Indian Child Welfare Association

National Indian Education Association

National Indian Youth Council

National Native American Law Student Association

Native American Caucus of the California Democratic Party

Native American Finance Officers Association (NAFOA)

Native American Journalists Association

Native American Indian Center of Central Ohio

Native American Journalists Association

Native American Rights Fund (NARF)

Native Voice Network

Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs

Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (Michigan)

North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs

North Dakota Indian Education Association

Office of Native American Ministry, Diocese of Grand Rapids (Michigan)

Ohio Center for Native American Affairs

San Bernardino/Riverside Counties Native American Community Council

Seminole Nation of Oklahoma

Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas

Southern California Indian Center

St. Cloud State University – American Indian Center

Tennessee Chapter of the National Coalition for the Preservation of Indigenous Cultures

Tennessee Commission of Indian Affairs

Tennessee Native Veterans Society

Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism

The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation

Unified Coalition for American Indian Concerns, Virginia

The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma

Virginia American Indian Cultural Resource Center

Wisconsin Indian Education Association

WIEA “Indian” Mascot and Logo Taskforce (Wisconsin)

Woodland Indian Community Center-Lansing (Michigan)

Youth “Indian” Mascot and Logo Task force (Wisconsin)

June 22, 2014 at 4:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

How is it about "control" again? You act like "libs" are leading the charge on this. They aren't. This isn't something that just changed overnight. There have been trademark cases and petitions about the term "Redskin" going back to 1992.

As usual, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. You're regurgitating what Rush Limbaugh and Fox News tells you. You're a mindless moron.

This is the reasoning behind the trademark cancellation:

http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=92046185&pty=CAN&eno=199

Get someone that is remotely literate to read it to you and educate yourself.

June 22, 2014 at 4:31 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Meltdown is coming. Just a matter of when.

June 22, 2014 at 4:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Time for the fundamental truth.

All you glorious supporters in this forum of the Washington Redskins very likely have not monetarily supported the team for one second.

So as usual, your words are empty, meaningless farts in the wind.

Further...it's becoming clear that a couple of you have absolutely no life whatsoever outside of the 16 or more hours per every single day of the week you spend in this forum.

That makes you very sad and pathetic people.

June 22, 2014 at 6:24 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^you should know, pal.

June 22, 2014 at 7:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

supporters in this forum of the Washington Redskins very likely have not monetarily supported the team for one second.

I have attended games in D.C. if that is considered monetary support. I am not a supporter of the Redskins football team but I do support allowing the market to determine when there is no physical or fiscal harm to the aggrieved complaining that their feelings are hurt. Those that think they have a point should join Harry Reid and never attend a game, watch a game on TV or buy the products of sponsors.

I predict he will become more wealthy similar to the idiot NBA owner and the aggrieved will have had her 15 minutes of fame and be forgotten. Harry Reid is blessed with senility and will not remember pulling his pants down regarding the issue.

You may detect I don't care one way or the other. I do think the government has more pressing matters than to even talk about it. It does get attention away from the VA failure which touches all in D.C. of both parties two terms or more.

June 22, 2014 at 7:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

Is it disparaging? Many words can be or not be depending on the inflection when spoken.

June 22, 2014 at 8:05 p.m.

As I said, it's about control. It's political and it's about the gov. flexing it's muscles more and more. It's never been more clear.

As I said, I've been to Arizona and New Mexico, even Oklahoma many times. I've seen Native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise.

You can foam at the mouth all you want, Easy, it's a non issue fashioned into a crusade by you dumb liberals. You're always soooo offended by so much. As fairmon said, let the market determine it. I know you libs turn away from that concept like Dracula from the cross. Next you'll go after the Chiefs, Indians, Redskins, Blackhawks, and so on.

As fairmon pointed out, we have way, way more pressing issues.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

June 22, 2014 at 8:25 p.m.

I meant Warriors, not Redskins, as in Golden State Warriors. After all, aren't they glorifying war???

June 22, 2014 at 8:26 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

I hereby declare that any utterance of the word "white" shall henceforth and forever be an actionable racial slur when spoken by anyone who does not identify themselves as a member of the caucasian race.

June 22, 2014 at 8:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"As I said, it's about control. It's political and it's about the gov. flexing it's muscles more and more. It's never been more clear."

Yet, you haven't given an explanation as to how it's about control. Are the Native American plaintiffs in the trademark cases going back to 1992 "the government"? Again, how is it about control? Control of what?

"As I said, I've been to Arizona and New Mexico, even Oklahoma many times. I've seen Native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise."

As I said, this is a blatant lie. There is no possible way you would even recall a Native American wearing Redskin merchandise with any clarity whatsoever. You are inventing this "experience" to fit your narrative. You have no, by any means, seen any Native American wearing Redskins merchandise.

"You can foam at the mouth all you want, Easy,"

You're the one foaming little guy. My side is winning! You're the one that's whining about "control". You're oblivious to your own bullsh!t.

"it's a non issue fashioned into a crusade by you dumb liberals."

It doesn't matter what you say, it's an issue. It's been an issue. It will continue to be an issue until it's resolved. Bank on it.

"You're always soooo offended by so much."

Racism, xenophobia, etc. usually offends non-racist people.

"As fairmon said, let the market determine it. I know you libs turn away from that concept like Dracula from the cross."

Kind of like your Republican congressmen/Senators let the market decide the UAW vote? LMFAO! You're oblivious. You only want to let the market decide when you can control the market.

"Next you'll go after the Chiefs, Indians, Redskins, Blackhawks, and so on."

Slippery slope argument. Completely invalid to the situation at hand. Try again.

"HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!"

Contrived fandom due to racist leanings.

June 22, 2014 at 8:35 p.m.

Look at Easy and Alprova bitching about others posting on here a lot!

Hillarious. Alprova, you "sawed-off-jerk", you're losing your mind.

The supreme irony of you calling me that!!

I hope Dan Snyder, the owner who had nothing to do with naming the team, becomes even wealthier from all of this. And I hope he leaves the NFL, helps to form a new league, which will include other billionaires like the dreaded Koch brothers. I also hope all the teams have nicknames related to Native Americans, and on all their helmets they have tomahawks, arrows, feathers, indian head profiles and more. LOL

I can imagine all of you libs tossing and sweating in your sleep over it, and grinding your teeth. LOL

June 22, 2014 at 8:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

prairie_puppy,

"I hereby declare that any utterance of the word "white" shall henceforth and forever be an actionable racial slur when spoken by anyone who does not identify themselves as a member of the caucasian race."

I have a feeling you'd be among those outraged if they were called the Washington Pale Faces or the Washington Hillbillies.

June 22, 2014 at 8:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedipsh!t,

"Look at Easy and Alprova bitching about others posting on here a lot!"

Show me where I said anything of the sort. Bet you can't, dumbass.

"I hope Dan Snyder, the owner who had nothing to do with naming the team, becomes even wealthier from all of this. And I hope he leaves the NFL, helps to form a new league, which will include other billionaires like the dreaded Koch brothers. I also hope all the teams have nicknames related to Native Americans, and on all their helmets they have tomahawks, arrows, feathers, indian head profiles and more. LOL"

Your racist wet dream revealed. LOL!

"I can imagine all of you libs tossing and sweating in your sleep over it, and grinding your teeth. LOL"

Imagine all the cleanup you'd have after that wet dream. LOL!

June 22, 2014 at 8:39 p.m.

you're winning nothing, easy, you're an utter ass.

As I said I've seen that tons of times over the decades traveling there, staying there. That's right, native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise. It's a great logo, noble, dignified, it ooze pride.

Glad you brought up VW, easy. Congratulations to them because it looks like they'll be producing the new SUV..two I think!

The market has determined that, otherwise there would be nothing to build. Unions, aah, who needs em.

June 22, 2014 at 8:43 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

All of you conservatives keep dancing around the issue: you want them to be renamed the Washington Negroes. It's the only name you would accept other then the Redskins.

Fister, keep insulting them "Congressmen", all the while you'll keep casting that vote for Fleishman. Good boy, do what that GOP tells you. Easy gave you a list of Native American groups objecting to the name; of course a la your "similar length list of scientists objecting to climate change", I'm sure you have a list of groups supporting the Redskins name. "Pull out of the NFL?", tell me what current Redskins players would accept that deal. Ask Vince McMahon what happens when you try to compete with the NFL. You truly are clueless.

June 22, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"you're winning nothing, easy, you're an utter ass."

Then why are you bitching over the trademarks getting cancelled, moron? You're so oblivious. Ignorance is your only thought process. My side is winning. That's why you're bitching. Get it? Do I need to carry you through this conversation as well? A Crayon font might really do wonders for your comprehension.

"As I said I've seen that tons of times over the decades traveling there, staying there. That's right, native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise. It's a great logo, noble, dignified, it ooze pride."

As I said, BULLSH!T. It is an obvious lie you've conjured up to fit your narrative.

"Glad you brought up VW, easy. Congratulations to them because it looks like they'll be producing the new SUV..two I think!"

I wouldn't count your eggs before they hatch.

"The market has determined that, otherwise there would be nothing to build. Unions, aah, who needs em."

The market didn't determine that, moron. State Congressmen and Senators had to intervene. Are you really that stupid? You're against it in one case, but for it in another! Wonder why? Maybe because of your political leanings!? You're oblivious to your own hypocrisy! Or you're just a fool. Probably both.

June 22, 2014 at 8:48 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

If they were called the Washington Messiahs, Fister would flip out like that judge did with the parents of the kid with said name.

June 22, 2014 at 8:48 p.m.

No, Gauss, you libs are clueless, so easily offended. You take a non issue and fashion it into a stupid crusade as if it affects everyone's lives. Like I said I've seen Native Americans wearing Redskin merchandise, not once, but piles of times over the decades while in the southwest. They're not offended, why should you be?

Well, pulling out of the NFL may be a stretch, but it's no more bizarre than you libs obsession with this issue.

I suggest, like I wrote before, the Washington Massa (master) would be a good name because we're slaves to corrupt and corporate whores that are our Senators, Congressman, Presidents and Bureaucrats.

June 22, 2014 at 8:54 p.m.

easy, you bitchy stooge, the market determined that those vehicles needed to be built, not politicians. First VW has to determine if those vehicles will make money. The workers at the VW plant do a great job. Gee, and they're not unionized. Imagine that.

June 22, 2014 at 8:57 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"Like I said I've seen Native Americans wearing Redskin merchandise, not once, but piles of times over the decades while in the southwest. They're not offended, why should you be?"

First of all, your story is bullsh!t. You've seen nothing of the sort. Secondly, I guess you missed my lengthy list of Native American tribes and organizations that were opposed to the name. Not to mention the people in the trademark cases were Native American. The name quite obviously offends Native Americans. It doesn't offend the fictional Native Americans you made up that wear Redskins gear, but it does offend REAL Native Americans.

It's pitiful how dumb you are. You double down on ignorance and ideas that are unequivocally incorrect.

June 22, 2014 at 8:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedipsh!t,

"easy, you bitchy stooge, the market determined that those vehicles needed to be built, not politicians."

It didn't determine WHERE they needed to be built, moron. The Senators and Congressmen offered VW incentives out the ass. That's not letting the market determine it. How are you this dumb?

"Bitchy"? Do you read your posts, you whiny bitch? ALL you do is bitch and moan. The irony!

"First VW has to determine if those vehicles will make money. The workers at the VW plant do a great job. Gee, and they're not unionized. Imagine that."

Every VW plant in Germany/Europe is unionized. Imagine that. You're far to ignorant to engage in any type of intelligent debate with. By the way, VW hasn't even chosen Chattanooga yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they chose the plant in Mexico to make a point.

June 22, 2014 at 9:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack Dana Dennis wrote: "^you should know, pal."

You self-confessed child enticing creep, I am not your pal and I never will be.

I want nothing to do with you. We have NOTHING to discuss.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270586

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270592

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270593

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/may/18/ostrich/#c270595

June 22, 2014 at 9:08 p.m.

sorry, my first had experience, trumps your diaper filled, foot stamping rant. An experience over decades.

It doesn't matter if they offered them incentives to build the suv's here. If there's no market for the vehicles to begin with, if no one will buy it, if it's not profitable, then there's no reason to build it here or in Mexico. First there has to be a demand, that's the market. You don't like Corker and Alexander working them to get it built here, but you don't mind unions in bed with Dems do you?

June 22, 2014 at 9:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedipsh!t,

"sorry, my first had experience, trumps your diaper filled, foot stamping rant. An experience over decades."

Experiences you completely invented from your own mind don't trump anything. Sorry, moron, your fictional story isn't believable whatsoever. Keep trying to pass off the idea that you just happened to recall multiple Native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise in the Southwest. That bullsh!t doesn't fly.

"It doesn't matter if they offered them incentives to build the suv's here."

Yes, it does.

"If there's no market for the vehicles to begin with, if no one will buy it, if it's not profitable, then there's no reason to build it here or in Mexico."

That has nothing to do with the decision for it to be made in Chattanooga. The market didn't determine that. Just like the market didn't determine whether the UAW came to the Chattanooga plant. Congressmen and Senators had to intervene and bribe workers with the idea that they would get the SUV line and give huge incentives to VW to build it here. None of that is "letting the market decide". It's the exact opposite, but you're too stupid to know the difference.

"First there has to be a demand, that's the market. You don't like Corker and Alexander working them to get it built here, but you don't mind unions in bed with Dems do you?"

I didn't see any Democrats here offering up incentives for a UAW vote. You're completely ignorant. You have no clue what you're talking about. Your 4th grade education is failing you!

June 22, 2014 at 9:14 p.m.

If there's no demand for the vehicle, then there's no reason to build it...anywhere. Incentives to get it built here at this plant mean nothing if there's nobody to buy the vehicle. The market determines if it should be built, period. Why produce something, if no one will buy it? The politics of where it should be built is not the market, that's a separate issue. Alexander and Corker have no influence on the market. They don't create a demand for the vehicles. It does no good to build it here, or anywhere else if there's no demand for it.

Anway, HAIL TO THE REDSKINS! May the keep selling their merchandise.

June 22, 2014 at 9:28 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gee, Alps. I was thinking we might become pals.

June 22, 2014 at 9:34 p.m.

Get this, Senator Schumer from NY, a democrat and illegal alien lover, stated that he's concerned that fans returning from the world cup in Brazil might return with some illness from mosquito bites. Yet, what's he and the rest of the geniuses in D.C doing about the illegal aliens swarming our open borders and the diseases they're carrying?

Perfect example of how our government is dangerous, corrupt and out of control.

June 22, 2014 at 9:42 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

z go back as read my post.

If you can't make an argument without disparaging your "opponent" you don't need to speak(write).

June 22, 2014 at 10:36 p.m.
rengerry said...

Racist slur is racist slur. You support it? Guess what that makes you?

http://youtu.be/mR-tbOxlhvE

June 23, 2014 at 12:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

easy123 said....Every VW plant in Germany/Europe is unionized. Imagine that.

Therefore your point is?

Seems if I recall accurately they are works councils in Europe and function much different than unions in the U.S. However, the NLRB will not allow works councils in the U.S. without affiliation with a national union, why?. I never saw a logical explanation for the NLRB taking that stance.

I seriously doubt any outside influence other than the UAW had any affect on the vote results. One question VW workers considered was who needed who most? Another was what will the dues cost provide me that I don't have? A simple ROI calculation.

How does the VW vote relate to the Redskins team name issue?

June 23, 2014 at 5:26 a.m.
Easy123 said...

fairmon,

"Therefore your point is?"

You can read the conversation for yourself.

"Seems if I recall accurately they are works councils in Europe and function much different than unions in the U.S. However, the NLRB will not allow works councils in the U.S. without affiliation with a national union, why?. I never saw a logical explanation for the NLRB taking that stance."

And your point is?

"I seriously doubt any outside influence other than the UAW had any affect on the vote results. One question VW workers considered was who needed who most? Another was what will the dues cost provide me that I don't have? A simple ROI calculation."

So you don't think state Congressmen and Senators promising to get the SUV line to Chattanooga and offering incentives to VW to have it built here had ANY effect on the vote results? Can you possibly be serious? You honestly believe every VW employee went home and did ROI calculations about the possible outcomes of this vote? Get real.

"How does the VW vote relate to the Redskins team name issue?"

You'll need to read the conversation for yourself.

June 23, 2014 at 8 a.m.

Ok, everyone, let's all do the tomahawk chop, like they do at Braves games and at Florida State games. You start first, easy!

It's a non issue shoved down everyone's throats by libs simply for the sake of control. It has no affect on anyone's lives whatsoever, zero. Just like the name "fighting Irish" has no affect on the lives of Americans of Irish ancestry. Should they demand that Notre Dame change their name and their goofy fighting Irish leprechaun?

June 23, 2014 at 8:54 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedipsh!t,

Your slippery slope arguments are invalid. That's already been established. None of the hypothetical scenarios you conjure up have anything to do with this issue. The name affects Native Americans. That's why all of those tribes and organizations have come out against it. There is no question about it. The fact that you and people like you are so staunchly against a name change is reason enough to change the name. If you had it your way, slavery would still be legal in the United States based on "tradition". Your ilk has always been against anything that empowered minority groups.

You are willfully ignorant. You already know the name has a negative effect on Native Americans, yet you claim it doesn't. Are you lying or are you that stupid?

The name change will occur at some point whether the current owner is in place or not. You will continue bitching, You and your ilk will continue to be on the wrong side of history regarding these issues. You and your ilk will continue to be ridiculed by rational, non-racist people. Get over it.

June 23, 2014 at 9:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

easy123 said...You honestly believe every VW employee went home and did ROI calculations about the possible outcomes of this vote? Get real.

Not every but enough plus those actively opposed educated others.

I seriously doubt the political rhetoric influenced enough votes to make a difference.

The Redskins name issue needs to be decided by the courts and not the patent office alone and certainly not congress. To be fair and just the input of a substantial number of native Americans should be considered. Small special interest groups often have too much impact due to our convoluted system. This may not be something to be decided by a random poll of 1000 or so. You don't have to travel out west to find American Indians that support the Redskins team because of the name and logos.

Do you think the aggrieved should be able to patent and use those canceled patents?

June 23, 2014 at 9:08 a.m.
Easy123 said...

fairmon,

"Not every but enough plus those actively opposed educated others."

I disagree.

"I seriously doubt the political rhetoric influenced enough votes to make a difference."

I highly disagree.

"The Redskins name issue needs to be decided by the courts and not the patent office alone and certainly not congress. To be fair and just the input of a substantial number of native Americans should be considered. Small special interest groups often have too much impact due to our convoluted system. This may not be something to be decided by a random poll of 1000 or so."

Did you see the lengthy list of Native American tribes and organizations that have passed resolutions or issued statements regarding their opposition to the name of the Washington NFL team? I would think with that amount of support for a name change from Native Americans, you might stop acting like only a few oppose the name.

"You don't have to travel out west to find American Indians that support the Redskins team because of the name and logos."

You also don't have to travel very far to find Native Americans that vehemently oppose the Redskins team name. I don't see any Native American tribes and organizations coming out in favor of the name.

"Do you think the aggrieved should be able to patent and use those canceled patents?"

I don't know why anyone would want to patent those canceled patents. What do Native Americans stand to benefit from doing so? It's not like they have their own sports league to use the images and name. Show me any person that refers to Native Americans as "Redskins" anymore.

Would you be in favor of a name change if they were called the Washington Pale Faces or the Washington Hillbillies with a caricature of a caucasian as the mascot? For example:

http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/570010/570010,1297102499,136/stock-photo-redneck-illustration-70819351.jpg

June 23, 2014 at 9:16 a.m.

LOL easy. It has no affect on anybody. It has no impact on anyone's daily life, zero. How does it? I've seen plenty of Native Americans wearing Redskins stuff, so they don't care. It's a great logo, a noble logo, dignified, and it's not insulting in the least. Get over it.

It is a slippery slope, it always is. Whenever the fed. gov. increases its power, or flexes it muscles, it never relinquishes or backs off.

fairmon, I was just referring to my experience out west because of the amount of time I spent out there growing up and later. I'm sure it's that way in this part of the country as well.

June 23, 2014 at 9:31 a.m.

It's a non-issue, despite your passionate intensity. You libs love forcing change, forcing, controlling, and controlling speech. You love to control the dialogue.

If Harry Reid is pushing for this, you know it cant' be good.

June 23, 2014 at 9:37 a.m.
timbo said...

This is absolutely stupid. This is not racism. Why?..because there are very few people who think it has any racist connotation. This is just a few Indians who want payback for what happened hundreds of years ago making a fuss. They have gotten the press they wanted and the liberals are saying "we treated them terribly" and we need to be "sensitive."

As far as the patent office goes, this sets a terrible precedent. The government without legislation doing whatever they want. Scary....

I am offended by a lot of things. Rap Music, black poverty pimps, Easy123, liberals in general, MSNBC, inquiringmind, being called a racist every time some ethnic has a headache, Barack Obama, Harry Reid, the Republican establishment.... I want some relief. Can we make all of those things illegal? Please..especially Easy123.

I am so offended..oh that's right, no one cares if I am offended..I am a white male.

June 23, 2014 at 11:40 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^ on plane - 5 stars

June 23, 2014 at 11:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Racists flock together.

June 23, 2014 at 11:58 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^^ morons flock together

June 23, 2014 at 12:07 p.m.
timbo said...

Easy123...You should know...you are a racist. You hate white men. Admitting it is the step to recovery.

Why don't you try to be a little more creative when insulting us?

Easy123 repeats herself and says...

"Timbo is a racist.." "Jack is a sex offender" "zable..is "willfully ignorant"

blah, blah, blah.....get some new material.

June 23, 2014 at 12:14 p.m.
timbo said...

Easy123..By the way..I am part Indian...so I must be the Indian version of an "Uncle Tim."

June 23, 2014 at 12:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I feel as though I've struck a nerve with the local, racist dimwits. This is becoming far too simple for my liking.

June 23, 2014 at 12:20 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Easy, you're not relevant enough to matter. (except in your sophomoric mind)

June 23, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.
timbo said...

Easy123...The nerve is in my funny bone...no one takes you seriously anymore. You are too far out....

June 23, 2014 at 12:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I take that back. I REALLY struck a nerve with the local, circle-jerk crew.

Bwahahahahahaha!

June 23, 2014 at 12:57 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

^says timbo, the guy that believes 500 Democrats came out of Lakesite to vote for Fairbanks.

Fister, a comparison between Florida State (or Atlanta) and the Washington Redskins is an apples to oranges comparison. FSU's mascot is the Seminole, which is from the Seminole tribe. They have endorsed FSU's use. Seminole is not a derogatory term for Native Americans. Same with Braves. Same with Blackhawks. Redskins is a derogatory term for Native Americans.

Are you really that dense?

June 23, 2014 at 1:01 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gassy. My argument is that the stinking Patent Office should have NO say in this. Of course they fall under the Justice Dept. I think. Maybe that explains it.

June 23, 2014 at 1:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The Patent Office shouldn't be allowed to decide what qualifies as a trademark! They shouldn't be expected to actually do what they're supposed to do! You know, deciding what can be trademarked and stuff... Damn government office doing what they're paid to do! Bastards!

Tell me more about your idiocy! Does your parole officer know you're using the Internet, TheJackOff?

June 23, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Yeah, the trademark has been around forever, ignoramus.

June 23, 2014 at 1:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

That doesn't mean anything, you dumb bastard. Trademarks are cancelled all the time. 1,513 trademark cancellations were filed in 2013 alone.

Try again.

June 23, 2014 at 1:20 p.m.

Timbo, Jack, did you hear about Kerry lecturing Iraq on its borders? My gosh, the idiocy.

Timbo is part indian, easy, are you? He's not offended, why should you be? Liberalism is a disease.

June 23, 2014 at 1:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedipsh!t,

"Timbo is part indian, easy, are you? He's not offended, why should you be? Liberalism is a disease."

I guess being 1/64 "Indian" (which is likely a lie) trumps these Native American tribes and organizations being offended by the blatant racism in the Washington football team name:

Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians

Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma

Comanche Nation of Oklahoma

The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (Washington)

Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians (Michigan)

Hoh Indian Tribe

Inter Tribal Council of Arizona

Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes

Juaneño Band of Mission Indians (California)

Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Michigan)

Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians, Gun Lake Tribe (Michigan)

Menominee Tribe of Indians (Wisconsin)

Oneida Indian Nation (New York)

Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin

Navajo Nation Council

Penobscot Nation

Poarch Band of Creek Indians

Samish Indian Nation (Washington)

Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Michigan)

Shoshone-Bannock Tribes (Idaho)

Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (North Dakota)

The Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation (North Dakota)

United South and Eastern Tribes (USET)

June 23, 2014 at 1:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Organizations:

Advocates for American Indian Children (California)

American Indian Mental Health Association (Minnesota)

American Indian Movement

American Indian Opportunities Industrialization Center of San Bernardino County

American Indian Student Services at the Ohio State University

American Indian High Education Consortium

American Indian College Fund

Americans for Indian Opportunity

Association on American Indian Affairs

Buncombe County Native American Inter-tribal Association (North Carolina)

Capitol Area Indian Resources (Sacramento, CA)

Concerned American Indian Parents (Minnesota)

Council for Indigenous North Americans (University of Southern Maine)

Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples’ Alliance

First Peoples Worldwide

Fontana Native American Indian Center, Inc. (California)

Governor’s Interstate Indian Council

Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission

Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council (Wisconsin)

HONOR – Honor Our Neighbors Origins and Rights

Kansas Association for Native American Education

Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs

Medicine Wheel Inter-tribal Association (Louisiana)

Minnesota Indian Education Association

National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)

National Indian Child Welfare Association

National Indian Education Association

National Indian Youth Council

National Native American Law Student Association

Native American Caucus of the California Democratic Party

Native American Finance Officers Association (NAFOA)

Native American Journalists Association

Native American Indian Center of Central Ohio

Native American Journalists Association

Native American Rights Fund (NARF)

Native Voice Network

Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs

Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (Michigan)

North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs

North Dakota Indian Education Association

Office of Native American Ministry, Diocese of Grand Rapids (Michigan)

Ohio Center for Native American Affairs

San Bernardino/Riverside Counties Native American Community Council

Seminole Nation of Oklahoma

Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas

Southern California Indian Center

St. Cloud State University – American Indian Center

Tennessee Chapter of the National Coalition for the Preservation of Indigenous Cultures

Tennessee Commission of Indian Affairs

Tennessee Native Veterans Society

Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism

The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation

Unified Coalition for American Indian Concerns, Virginia

The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma

Virginia American Indian Cultural Resource Center

Wisconsin Indian Education Association

WIEA “Indian” Mascot and Logo Taskforce (Wisconsin)

Woodland Indian Community Center-Lansing (Michigan)

Youth “Indian” Mascot and Logo Task force (Wisconsin)

June 23, 2014 at 1:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedofisterix is a moron. Call it a disease. Call it a mental handicap. Call it whatever you want. Your 4th grade education continues to fail you.

June 23, 2014 at 1:24 p.m.

Oklahoma, or Okla humma is the Choctaw word for red people. Is that ok? A Choctaw chief suggested it.

Maybe The Redskins should change their name to the Washington Okla humma. Does that please you, easy?

June 23, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedipsh!t,

"Oklahoma, or Okla humma is the Choctaw word for red people. Is that ok? A Choctaw chief suggested it."

The word is "Oklahoma", not "red people". There is a distinct difference between the Choctaw word for the English idea of "indian" and the words "red people".

"Maybe The Redskins should change their name to the Washington Okla humma. Does that please you, easy?"

It has nothing to do with me. Why are you so desperate to refer to Native Americans by the color of their skin?

June 23, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

The libs don't give a hoot about this issue other than they applaud gubmint involvement. It's a statist wet-dream, yes? Easy, with his juco and paralegal training is talking about someone's education. Funny

June 23, 2014 at 1:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I figured you wouldn't have an intelligent response, admitted sex offender, TheJackDennis. It's not even a challenge. Funny.

June 23, 2014 at 1:34 p.m.

That list means nothing. That doesn't tell me anything. That doesn't tell me how many are ok with it, and how many are not. As I said, I've seen many native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise. So, they're ok with it.

Timbo's opinion carries more weight than yours because he's part indian. You're just a stupid, white, liberal woman.

No, John Kerry's a moron, he's a good example.

June 23, 2014 at 1:39 p.m.

Me pale face, Timbo red man! LOL

June 23, 2014 at 1:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedumbass,

"That list means nothing. That doesn't tell me anything. That doesn't tell me how many are ok with it, and how many are not."

But one guy on a message board that claimed to be "part Indian" means something, tells you something, etc.?

Your idiocy deserves no response.

"As I said, I've seen many native Americans wearing Redskins merchandise. So, they're ok with it."

As I said, no you have not. You have conjured that story up to suit your narrative. No thinking person would believe it. The fact that you're trying so hard to push the story as true is very telling.

"Timbo's opinion carries more weight than yours because he's part indian. You're just a stupid, white, liberal woman."

It never fails. If racist, mysogynist, bigoted morons like you are given a platform, you will always hang yourself. You have no clue if timbo is "part indian", yet you believe it unquestioningly because it suits your narrative. Your stupidity has already been established here more times than I can count. And I'm not a woman, but the fact that you perceive that as an insult proves just how backward you truly are.

I'm just baffled that you know how to use a computer. You might be the dumbest (seemingly) functional human being I've ever come across. And I mean that unequivocally.

June 23, 2014 at 1:44 p.m.
timbo said...

Gaussianinterger....I said that 500 democrats crossed over in District 1 and they did. Go to the Hamilton County Election Commission website and see for yourself. At any rate, your lying about what I said is an indication of who you are supporting. Purporting this myth, that Fairbanks won because of "new voters" is asinine. I guess the number of voters increased 25% for the last election.

Fairbanks is the democrat nominee. Being supported by Geno Shipley is not a ringing endorsement that you are really a "republican."

If I am wrong, you won't have to worry about it because Fairbanks will win. In any event, it will be over in August.

Rhonda Thurman will win, no matter how many democrat votes Fairbanks gets. The numbers don't lie.

June 23, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.
timbo said...

Easy123... I will support changing the Redskins name if you will change your name to what you really are...Sleazy321. Accuracy is important.

June 23, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

meltdown coming

June 23, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.

The fact that you keep calling it a lie tells me that you can't handle something that doesn't fit your liberal narrative. I'll say it again, I've seen it many times.

I don't perceive it as an insult, you just won't admit it, that's all. It doesn't matter to me what you are. Your pms fueled liberal rants makes me lean that way.

timbo is on here an say's he's part indian. That list tells me nothing. It's a just a list.

June 23, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.

Love Rhonda Thurman

June 23, 2014 at 2:02 p.m.

Easy, you've called me a mysogynist, racist, homophobe, ignorant, stupid, uneducated, bigoted, xenophobe, and so much more.

But my favorite is "sawed-off jerk", which Alprova called me the other day. Oh, the irony of that one.

June 23, 2014 at 2:11 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^ BOOM!

June 23, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.
timbo said...

zable...She called me all those too. Soon we will become sex offenders, just like Jack.

June 23, 2014 at 2:38 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^ just illustrates the vindictiveness of this boy. His daddy's no better.

June 23, 2014 at 2:47 p.m.
timbo said...

Easy123....whoo, whoo, whoo, ....see, doesn't that sound like an Indian. By the way 1/8 Choctaw.

June 23, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.
timbo said...

Easy123..The next insult will be calling me 1/8 redskin.

June 23, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.
timbo said...

You didn't see the damn Choctaws on that list did you?

June 23, 2014 at 2:55 p.m.
timbo said...

Very few actual tribes on that list.

June 23, 2014 at 2:59 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Injuns don't care. Nobody cares but the Statists.

June 23, 2014 at 3 p.m.

Timbo, Alprova accused me of being incarcerated more than once. Just out of the blue. I got one speeding in my life. That's my run in with the law.

June 23, 2014 at 3:37 p.m.
timbo said...

zablee...They are all nuts on this page. I have never seen a bunch so hell bent to live in a fantasy world. Anytime you challenge them they are like someone with liberal Turrets syndrome. They just start blurting out insults.

When you are reasonable and not insulting, they are insulted worse.

It is bizarre.

June 23, 2014 at 3:43 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Speeding leads to harder crimes.

June 23, 2014 at 3:43 p.m.

Yeah, it is bizarre, very. The whole liberal establishment is insane. Kerry lectures Iraq about their borders? Schumer raises concerns about soccer fan returning from Brazil with some disease, but looks the other way when disease riddled illegal aliens storm over our borders.

June 23, 2014 at 3:46 p.m.
timbo said...

TheJackDennis...yea, jaywalking and spitting on the sidewalk....

June 23, 2014 at 3:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

easy123 ask...Would you be in favor of a name change if they were called the Washington Pale Faces or the Washington Hillbillies with a caricature of a caucasian as the mascot?

Frankly I don't really give a damn what any team elects to use or not use as a mascot name including rednecks, wasp, whitey's or any other moniker. It will not offend me, it will do me no harm or prevent my success in any endeavor. It is a long list of tribes but only one member can be involved to include a tribe. The issue is not worthy of the time and energy spent here much less in hearings etc. It is amazing how the touchy feely among us get their feelings hurt so easy but don't hesitate to do the same to others. Most likely thought nothing about it or realized they possibly should be offended until someone told them they should be. Politically correct, insensitive etc. etc. can kiss my a$$! I like the attitude sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?

June 23, 2014 at 5:02 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^fairmon, as I said at 3pm.

June 23, 2014 at 5:35 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Not to spoil the "Conservative" pistol polishing that is going on between Fister, Jack, and Timbo, but:

"Gaussianinterger....I said that 500 democrats crossed over in District 1 and they did."

That is absolute BS and you know it. There is NO evidence from past elections that support that claim. I have posted the numbers in previous threads (and conveniently you have ignored them). The numbers of democrats that voted in this primary are in line with the past several elections. How can that be Timbo? Oh, let me guess, the fix has been in for years? The people of District 1 said they wanted a change, but I guess you, Skillern, and Thurman know what's best for the people.

Of course, Fairmon, your people weren't murdered and evicted from their land. If so, I don't think you would be so sympathetic to keeping a term that is a reminder of a time when whites acted like they were the masters of the land.

June 23, 2014 at 5:54 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gassy, must one have murdered relatives in order to have opinion on the redskin red herring?

June 23, 2014 at 5:56 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Or better yet, gassy. What the 'ell has that to do with the redskins issue?

June 23, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Because Jack, it's easy for us white males, to say "it's just a name" or "what about so and so other team". We don't fathom the discontent that is associated with the name for many Native Americans. The only reason you, Fister, and Timbo are "outraged" is because conservative pundits tell you to be outraged. The franchise will survive and prosper if they have to use another name. Of course, you have geniuses like Fister wanting the Redskins to form "their own league". How great would that be? The season would look like this:

9/1 Redskins Vs. Redskins

9/8 Redskins Vs. Redskins

9/15 Redskins Vs. Redskins

9/22 Redskins Vs. Redskins

9/29 Redskins Vs. Redskins

10/6 Redskins Vs. Redskins

10/13 Redskins Vs. Redskins

June 23, 2014 at 6:09 p.m.

Guass, their land? Who's land? Your people? fairmon's people? You mean all white people are the same and all white people alive now had a hand in that? Idiocy. Before we pale faces came on the scene indians did a pretty good job of fighting with each other and fighting over land. You go back far enough nobody has clean hands, and that's been the way of the world. Indians did their fair share of killing innocent people, both settlers and other indians.

The Redskins logo honors them, it doesn't insult them.

June 23, 2014 at 6:12 p.m.

That's not what I meant, idiot. I never said it would a league of one team.

You libs get your talking points from MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, THE NY TIMES, and the DNC.

June 23, 2014 at 6:17 p.m.

What about Red Mesa H.S. in AZ, it's on an indian reservation near NM. They're the Redskins.

June 23, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.

Speaking of actual racism, that racist and anti-American group, LA RAZA, is demanding that Congress vote now to pass "amnesty" for illegal aliens. Here's what I say to them, $%#@ you, go back to Mexico.

June 23, 2014 at 8:41 p.m.
fairmon said...

GUASIAN said...Of course, Fairmon, your people weren't murdered and evicted from their land. If so, I don't think you would be so sympathetic to keeping a term that is a reminder of a time when whites acted like they were the masters of the land.

Are you sure "my people" haven't had that happen. Does the Brainerd team name rebels bother anyone? They were killed, looted and cities burned by Yankees. How dare anyone use Yankee as a team name, it is offensive to those with a southern heritage.

June 23, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Gassy says "The only reason you, Fister, and Timbo are "outraged" is because conservative pundits tell you to be outraged." Where do you come up with this stuff, Gassy? I don't recall hearing any pundits even discussing this. Yours is a BS statement. I'll say it again slowly. I don't give too much of a rat's A$$ either way about the logo. What worries me is the govt. intrusion via the freakin Patent Office. It should worry you too.

June 23, 2014 at 9:05 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Fairmon, you are really stretching here. I would call a northerner a "Yankee" to his face with out fear of insulting him. Can you say the same thing about calling a Native American a "Redskin"?

June 23, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Gauss,

You should definitely be worried about the Patent Office doing their job! Government intrusion via a government office doing what they were created to do! Be afraid, be very afraid.

June 23, 2014 at 9:14 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Yeah, Gassy. Take the advice of a sophomoric juco student with years of experience.

June 23, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Jack, it's not a new policy invented solely for the Redskins.

June 23, 2014 at 9:25 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

So Gassy, you're saying the Patent Office should be involved in social issues?

June 23, 2014 at 9:27 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

If it has a standing policy (which, I believe has been in effect since 1946) not to trademark derogatory names, then how is it a "social issue"?

June 23, 2014 at 10:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

GaussianInteger,

Don't go confusing these knuckle-draggers with facts.

June 23, 2014 at 10:15 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

147 comments and most of them deal with character assassination of contributors. amazing.

June 23, 2014 at 11:27 p.m.
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