published Tuesday, May 6th, 2014

Separation

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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I guess this in response the SCOTUS decision yesterday.

May 6, 2014 at 12:08 a.m.

Paranoid.

May 6, 2014 at 12:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

I guess only parts of the Constitution are important, right? Just that "2nd" part.

May 6, 2014 at 1:01 a.m.
LibDem said...

It's important to recognize that Christians have to be led in prayer. And, if it's not public, it doesn't count.

May 6, 2014 at 7:07 a.m.

(W) religious liberty

(L) overly-sensitive, historically-ignorant secular control freaks

Let freedom ring.

May 6, 2014 at 7:08 a.m.
LibDem said...

Sheeple.

May 6, 2014 at 7:08 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

It was a minor defeat for those trying to make sure that the separation survives, but I have hopes that with the efforts by groups like AU and ACLU that line will hold. Their work is essential in a day and age when lawmakers seek to impose the majority faith on all citizens. As long as we have politicians ( this one will remain unnamed, but you know who he his) that claim that the Constitution only protects Christian Americans, this threat remains.

May 6, 2014 at 7:13 a.m.
limric said...

Wonderful Clay. A true Bennett classic.

Christians (Muslims even more so) remind me of tooth decay. You can brush & brush but they are always there, working to dismantle the strength of reason with fantasy and mumbo-jumbo until finally a visit to the dentist is warranted. This time the Supreme Court patted the complainants on the head and sent us on our way. Next time might be a root canal, or, if they had their druthers (Christians et al), take away our tooth brushes altogether and begin the extraction of separation.

I am always puzzled why so many Christians feel a compulsion to prey (and compel everyone else to do likewise) publicly. Almost as though their god hears only the public ones. Kneeling at your bed in your jammie's, not so much.

There are more churches than Jiffy Stores, yet the devout work tirelessly to force 'their' beliefs into every venue. Why?

May 6, 2014 at 7:22 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Beware the creeping theocracy! you atheists are soooo silly

May 6, 2014 at 7:42 a.m.

A secular society is toothless. Christianity is its set of dentures.

May 6, 2014 at 7:43 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Wwwtw:, a secular government protects the religious freedom of all. A true test would be for you to imagine someone other than Christians as the majority. Like the idea of Muslim prayer being invoked at government functions? If no, then you are just as much for separation.

May 6, 2014 at 7:49 a.m.

Muslim prayers were offered at the city council meetings in question. No Christian complained. Only atheists.

Next?

May 6, 2014 at 7:54 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Only muslim prayers? If they are in the majority will they still offer Christian prayers? What about Hindu? Pagan? Buddhist? Native American?

May 6, 2014 at 7:59 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh, by the way the case in question? Exclusively Christian prayers for the last 8 years.

May 6, 2014 at 8:02 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu, are you seriously concerned about creeping theocracy? Come on lady!

May 6, 2014 at 8:03 a.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu

Well, that has already happened.

One just needs to be quite.

One doesn't have to bow his head, close his eyes or recite even one word.

I have heard many offensive words at government functions.

Atheists just don't like to be subject to hearing God's word because only God's word has authority.

I can hear a Muslim prayer and it means nothing to me.

Jesse Jackson once prayed to the earth at a earth day celebration with President Bush in attendance.

I have seen prayer by a heathens at Demoncrat gatherings invoking several gods.

No one got excited.

The excitement and opposition only comes when prayer to the one and only true God is given and that is the truth.

May 6, 2014 at 8:04 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

No, not as long as there are watchdog groups to monitor this kind of crap.

May 6, 2014 at 8:05 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And con's most recent comment shows why vigilance is needed.

May 6, 2014 at 8:06 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

"And con's most recent comment shows why vigilance is needed."

And proofreading.

May 6, 2014 at 8:11 a.m.
conservative said...

And lkeithlu an avowed Atheist and proud heathen was a member or maybe still is, a member of a "church"

I know it was a false church but still you sometimes heard a prayer to God or heard Scripture and yet you were silent and respectful or they would have thrown you out.

It was astonishing hypocrisy!

May 6, 2014 at 8:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I rest my case. Con represents the type of person who truly believes they are a member of the "one true religion" and everyone else should convert. Hence prayers and government support of their sectarian faith are not only justified but required.

May 6, 2014 at 8:16 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu, I seriously doubt that ConManism is spreading.

May 6, 2014 at 8:23 a.m.
alprova said...

WWWWTW wrote: "A secular society is toothless. Christianity is its set of dentures."

Never forget that dentures are FALSE teeth!!

May 6, 2014 at 8:35 a.m.
conservative said...

Well lkeithlu let me get you up to speed.

All who practice a religion believe theirs is the "one true religion."

You outwardly supported Christianity at one time by sitting in that false church of yours and being quite and playing the hypocrite.

May 6, 2014 at 8:36 a.m.
alprova said...

WWWTW wrote: "Muslim prayers were offered at the city council meetings in question. No Christian complained. Only atheists. Next?"

That is categorically untrue. Only Christian prayers were allowed, which is why I am baffled why the Supremes ruled this way, on this case, when they have always protected the right for ALL groups to be included in the past.

May 6, 2014 at 8:39 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"False Church"...What a douchebag.

May 6, 2014 at 8:48 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"I guess only parts of the Constitution are important, right? Just that "2nd" part."

This sums of the beliefs of the majority of the Religious Right-Wing.

May 6, 2014 at 8:51 a.m.
alprova said...

Hey Connie...

See if you can justify this verse, which comes from the New Testament. Unlike a lot which can be found in the Bible, this one is quite clear and easy to understand;

Matthew 6:5-13 - "5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

"9 “This, then, is how you should pray:"

“‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,"

"10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

"11 Give us today our daily bread."

"12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors."

"13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

Oh...and here's one just for you:

Matthew 6:1 - “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."

May 6, 2014 at 8:55 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I have not expressed so much as one, anti-Christian view"

"Jesus was God? Not a chance in Hell."

"Jesus can not be God"

"Jesus did indeed sin"

"Jesus was simply a human."

"He was not God and the Bible clearly supports it."

"Of course you are. It must be utterly frustrating to come to the realization that "God's word" is a totally false premise that you are totally ill-equipped to deal with."

"For all the hype you heap about the Bible being the word of God, You'd think God would have written or inspired one to write about him having taken a sabbatical for 33 years or so to go down to Earth and inhabit the body of his Son."

May 6, 2014 at 8:57 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Get something through your thick head. I have NEVER blasphemed God."

"Jesus sinned"

"Jesus cannot be God"

"Your problems are not my problems. I rejected your brand of Christianity years ago. Nothing is going to change that."

"If you believe the Bible to be 100% accurate in all regards, then you by default believe God to be a mass-murderer."

May 6, 2014 at 9:02 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Get something through your thick head. I have NEVER blasphemed God."

"The Bible never has been the word of God and you will never make it so"

"Face the truth for once in your life. God is a murderer and a mass-murderer at that...IF THE BIBLE IS ACCURATE."

"My belief that the Bible is not the word of God in no manner is equal to holding any contempt for it."

"Jesus sinned"

"Jesus cannot be God"

May 6, 2014 at 9:05 a.m.
caddy said...

It's not state's rights vs. federal power, but God vs. other gods.

"The South may have lost in the Civil War, but the means chosen to force a redress of what it believed to be a usurpation of authority was not only right, but the only means at hand. Many states outside the South on many occasions have been ready to go as far but have not gone to war only because they won their quarrels.

I am not advocating an armed attack by the State of Texas upon the government of the United States. I am merely pointing out that the basis law of the land, which forbids the worship of any gods other than the Father of Jesus Christ, has teeth in it. It has the same kind of teeth the Ten Commandments had behind them: the power to kill. When the Israelites in democratic procedure caused Aaron to make another god, Moses commanded the sons of Levi to slay the offenders. Upwards of 30,000 fell in one day. Many must uphold the authority and power of God by using physical force, if necessary, to prevent attributing total power to any other gods--whether it be Congress, the king or the courts, or all three put together. Moreover we, who deny total power and the attributes of God to our own Congress, would not be so base as to try to unite all power in the monstrosity, the hideous man-worshipping beast of the East River called the United Nations.

The attack of the liberal movement upon the Christian legal principle that the government should punish any attempt to establish a tyranny ( an attempt to control worship by force of arms ) is in the main a subtle propaganda campaign to turn the First Amendment upside down. Instead of being construed as an application of the First Commandment, the First Amendment is paraphrased as guaranteeing "freedom of religion;" that "freedom" in turn is interpreted to mean that the government acknowledges no God, no power beyond itself. There is no need to document this strange and erroneous interpretation because it is almost commonly consented today. The state school system has worked well....The fact remains that when the Court rules that the schools may not provide Christian teaching, it is prohibiting Christian worship. One may argue that the government has a perfect right to do so in its schools: yet it is the subjects of that government who are affected and whose freedom, unrestricted, to worship as Christ commands, is forbidden in a school they are required to attend. Two violations do not produce an affirmation: they merely result in confusion worse confounded. The attack is nevertheless pressed without letup.

Rev T. Robert Ingram ( 1962 ) "The World Under God's Law"

May 6, 2014 at 9:05 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Get something through your thick head. I have NEVER blasphemed God."

"Jesus was God? Not a chance in Hell."

"The idea that we are to accept a mass-murderer as an object of worship doesn't reflect well upon Christians at all. If he murdered nearly every human on the planet, God is far more heinous than Hitler. Yet Christians are to willfully worship him without question. Why?"

May 6, 2014 at 9:07 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Get something through your thick head. I have NEVER blasphemed God."

"Jesus was God? Not a chance in Hell."

"I have never denied one word that can be found in the Bible."

May 6, 2014 at 9:10 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath."

May 6, 2014 at 9:16 a.m.
alprova said...

Connie, never forget that the God you claim to worship can't seem to give you the words to refute my posted truisms, which come straight from the Bible.

And until the day ever comes that you can refute them, they will continue to stand.

Reposting them from your computer only endorses them. You're putting your cyber-fingerprints upon them.

I thank you very much for your support.

It's got to be totally frustrating for you to not know how to tackle an issue set forth in front of you.

Why does God not guide you to address that which you feel is wrong?

Could it be that God inspires me to share certain realities?

May 6, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I do not and never will hold the belief that the Bible is the word of God. You will not shame me into such a belief, no matter how many times you try."

May 6, 2014 at 9:27 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"And again, you fail to include the scripture I cited that proves that Jesus himself did not consider himself to be perfect and without sin."

May 6, 2014 at 9:28 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"God gave us all a brain to think with and to question that which deserves an answer. I've wondered for years why the Biblical story of the great flood is so easily accepted, in that God once murdered all life on Earth, save for a few."

May 6, 2014 at 9:29 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"If the Biblical tale is indeed true, then God senselessly murdered millions of innocent humans and billions of animals in the flood. Even if there was the remote possibility in justifying the murder of people, what possible justification could have existed for wiping out most all animal life?"

May 6, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"In the book of Exodus 12:28, God supposedly claims to murder every Israelite firstborn son and the firstborn of all their livestock. Isaiah 13, Jeremiah 49:20, Hosea 13, Numbers 31, In Deuteronomy 3, and 30 other times within the Bible, there are references to God committing more questionable murderous acts. Does this make sense to everyone?"

May 6, 2014 at 9:31 a.m.
alprova said...

C'mon Connie, you can do better than that.

You claim to have God's ear. You claim to be following all that he commands you to do.

God's word, as you coin it, clearly refutes the ruling that the Supreme Court has handed down. Are they Godly men and women for not heeding to the written word in the Bible.

If we take Biblical word to mean anything, public prayers are not heard by God. He detests them.

You have stated that the New Testament is to be followed by modern day Christians and Gentiles.

Well here we are.

The Book of Matthew outlines a set of guidelines which Christians are to follow, and I quoted on of the first set of verses in that book.

How can you ignore them?

May 6, 2014 at 9:41 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" God to also be heinous, demented and despicable. The Bible has been rewritten by evil men to instill religious fear into the minds of people as a means by which to control them. Apparently, it is still working like a charm too."

May 6, 2014 at 9:44 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Do you know what how legal term "hearsay" is defined. The Bible is filled with hearsay, and you are guilty of presenting it as evidence that is easily dismissed because it does not come from God or his Son."

May 6, 2014 at 9:45 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote

"Your problems are not my problems. I rejected your brand of Christianity years ago. Nothing is going to change that."

May 6, 2014 at 9:46 a.m.

I stand corrected. Muslim prayers have not yet been offered there. However, Baha'i, Jewish, and Wiccan prayers have been given. No one was disallowed. No one was compelled to pray or asked to convert. My point stands. It is atheists who want to alter the Constitution and muzzle religious voices in the public square. Justice Kennedy's majority opinion is illuminating.

The First Amendment requires no demographic quotas in order to publically acknowledge and thank God and to ask for His protection and guidance. Uncomfortable with this amendment & its historical interpretation? Then revoke or further amend it. Don't use court cases to impose your views on others.

May 6, 2014 at 9:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

One guy on here is Conman's provocateur. Until he stops, Connie will remain active.

May 6, 2014 at 9:51 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Not in the last 8 years, according to the case, wwwtw. Sectarian Christian only.

May 6, 2014 at 9:54 a.m.

Were others disallowed? Not signing up or not showing up hardly constitutes being discriminated against. Must Christians be silenced until representatives of other faiths come forward to participate? The proportion of prayers offered by various religions will likely reflect demographic realities and other non-discriminitory factors. Why is this so shocking?

May 6, 2014 at 9:57 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

That's not the point. Prayers before meetings are not essential, and sectarian prayers before meetings sends a message of establishment to anyone in attendance, whose religious tradition is known or unknown.

Con is a good example of just how many ways faith traditions disagree. There are tens of thousands of Christianity flavors alone; other major religions have as much variety too. My church is considered a "false" church by con's church. If his church is the majority, what then?

We are not talking about closing churches or government interference in churches. We are talking about respect for all citizens' religious beliefs by keeping it out of government operations. A meeting will proceed just fine without prayer. Prayer is not an essential part. If an individual wants to pray to his or her God for strength and guidance, they may do so. But to assume that everyone else prays the same way or at all is arrogance, and makes the need for that separation all the more obvious.

May 6, 2014 at 10:04 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"The First Amendment requires no demographic parity in order to publically acknowledge and thank God and to ask for His protection and guidance. Uncomfortable with this amendment & its historical interpretation? Then revoke or further amend it. Don't use court cases to impose your views on others."

This may be the most contradictory thing I have read as of late. It's the "Christians" (and I am purposely using quotation marks) attempting to "impose views on others". There is no reason to have any type of public prayer to conduct local, state, or federal business. What is wrong with praying before you get there? Or what about a moment of silence where different people of different dominations can pray to whatever being they choose? If the Hamilton County Commission opened a meeting with a prayer to Allah or Buddha, you "Christians" would call for a boycott and Pat Robertson would blame any future natural disasters in this area on that prayer.

May 6, 2014 at 10:07 a.m.

No entity has more power, works more tirelessly and has more resources to intrude into our lives than the state.

May 6, 2014 at 10:08 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu. The separation is already there.

May 6, 2014 at 10:08 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

caddy, You quoted Rev T. Robert Ingram ( 1962 ) "The World Under God's Law." The most contrived horse sh!t I’ve heard in a long time – yet I’ll bet you demand respect for your religion. I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me. That is to say, none!

The moment you offer up this kind of scripture-based opinion/bullsh!t about what the nation is, should believe, or the values we should hold - or especially the morals we should exhibit – as per YOUR imaginary gods & scriptures, then you can expect to be insulted for your trouble and I honestly hope it hurts your feelings.

Keep that crap where it belongs – in a church; that’s what they’re made for!

May 6, 2014 at 10:11 a.m.

After one uncivil offense, the likes of Con-man are barred from participating. Common sense almost always prevails. File a suit when it does not.

May 6, 2014 at 10:11 a.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu

Your church is a false church because it is an apostate church.

It has rejected Christ.

If it preached true salvation through Jesus Christ, you an avowed practicing Atheist and proud heathen would have clamped your hands over your ears and ran out the door long ago.

But we have religious tolerance in this nation. You were and are free to attend that false church and to accept Homosexuals/sodomites and Atheists and Hindu as members.

May 6, 2014 at 10:12 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

zableedofisterix said...

"No entity has more power, works more tirelessly and has more resources to intrude into our lives than the state."

A better understanding of history is in order bub. And while you're at it, take a close look at Islam in the Middle East and Indonesia.

May 6, 2014 at 10:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

This case shows that is is being eroded, JD. Not a lot, but in small ways which could grow if left unchallenged. Christians will appreciate that in communities where they lose the majority.

May 6, 2014 at 10:15 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"One guy on here is Conman's provocateur. Until he stops, Connie will remain active."

That's bull. I'm not saying that Al doesn't provoke Con, but Con brings up this stuff that Al said days, weeks, months, or years ago. What does Al saying "Jesus sinned" (which he said months ago) have to do with today's thread? ConMan acts like a small child and starts with the whole "Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:" in bold, and then the childish behavior begins.

May 6, 2014 at 10:17 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Con: whatever

May 6, 2014 at 10:17 a.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu

You have to know that you are free to believe and worship anything in our country.

You believe Hitler was a Christian.

No one is calling for you to be punished in any way for that absurd belief.

Ignorance is not a crime. It is enslaving but it is not a crime

May 6, 2014 at 10:23 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Bwahahahahahaaaaa! Con, you crack me up. Really.

May 6, 2014 at 10:29 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

To call you "ignorant" ConMan, would be an insult to all of the ignorant people in the world. "Apostate Church" is the nail in the coffin of your kookiness.

May 6, 2014 at 10:31 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

NOWHERE in the constitution is separation of church and state mentioned, NOWHERE! Are the libs that uneducated????

May 6, 2014 at 10:36 a.m.
limric said...

He he he - I knew it (“practicing Atheist”) would come up.

How often have we heard the patently absurd proclamation: ”avowed practicing Atheist”, as if it’s another religion?” Well Conservative, maybe it is - the same way that creationism is a science, god grants us free will (but will be punished severely for using it) or Islam is a religion of peace; In other words – when language no longer has meaning.

Atheism is a belief/religion? Really?!?! Who do we worship and who’s going to smite us if we don’t? And to that effect, a country with freedom ‘OF’ and ‘FROM’ religion shouldn’t tacitly condone belief in fairy tales or obedience (public prayer). Atheism doesn’t take childish offense over trivialities. It doesn’t protect sex-offenders, nor treat women like chattel. There are no ‘secular’ schools teaching atheism to children as a belief system. Nor does atheism require anyone to tithe part of their income to keep a few contemptuous flimflammers in comfort. So you see it could never begin to qualify as a religion.

People like Conservative, Caddy and some others commenting here see an evil, dark, atheist nightmare where religion has been crushed and if we’re not careful, transform into immoral savages - or liberals. But the fact of the matter is this; the greatest believers are the greatest tyrants. This is especially true of Islam.

~[If the freedom rather than the tyranny of faith is to better the world, then the betterment lies in the hands, I think, of the unbelievers.] ~Carl Clinton Van Doren

At any rate, I take my stand with them. Any Day!

May 6, 2014 at 10:37 a.m.
conservative said...

ordinaryguy

Some are, the rest are evil.

May 6, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.
conservative said...

Gaus

That is because you don't know that there is a professing church that is not the true church.

Now you know.

BTW, you shout your ignorance when all you do is call names.

May 6, 2014 at 10:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

My bad, Gassy. 2 guys.

May 6, 2014 at 10:49 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"NOWHERE in the constitution is separation of church and state mentioned, NOWHERE! Are the libs that uneducated????"

Yes it is. Read the first one instead of just focusing on the second one.

May 6, 2014 at 10:49 a.m.

Micky, in this country, in the year 2014 and probably over the last 100 years in this country, I'm right.

In the history of the world, yeah, Islam is has been killing in the name of Allah since 500 a.d.

You libs lump the average Bible Belt Christian, or denomination, in the same category as Islam. There's nothing like Islam.

May 6, 2014 at 10:50 a.m.
conservative said...

ordinaryguy

Many Liberals are not aware of the words of the First Amendment.

The most important word of the First Amendment is the first word:

"Congress"

The "uneducated" as you call them and they are, have been indoctrinated not educated but they have no excuse for it is so easy to understand, they just don't want to understand.

"Congress" is the first word of the First Amendment and it is obvious to even the most casual observer why we don't have a national state religion forced on us.

You know, there are some of these indoctrinated who are scratching their heads, clueless about that most important first word "Congress."

Watch.

May 6, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.
andystaab said...

Although I quit believing in higher powers, the whole prayer thing doesn't bother me in the least. People can do whatever they like with their time. If I'm at a gathering at which a dedicated few seconds of time is spent with heads bowed and some words uttered, I just literally grin and bear it. I feel like I'm showing respect for those who think differently. I don't understand using beliefs to bash each other, regardless of what the beliefs are. Maybe I'm naive. Maybe there are bigger agendas at work in the background and I have my head stuck in the sand.

May 6, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

zableedofisterix,

As you did not specify what, when or where, you’re not right. But as you later defined it, I’ll give you a pass.

No, Libs do not lump ”Bible Belt Christians, or denominations” generally speaking in the same category as Islam. Some (like Conservative’s cult) are however. And I have no doubt, if given a free hand, would implement a Saudi Arabian style Christian nation right here.

"Islam is has been killing in the name of Allah since 500 a.d." True enough.

Christians however have been at it (in the name of Jesus) for way over a thousand years.

May 6, 2014 at 11:11 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

”Erecting a wall of separation between church and state is absolutely essential in a free society.”

Guess who said that?

”We establish no religion in this country. We command no worship. We mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state MUST remain separate”

Guess who said that?

May 6, 2014 at 11:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Andystaab, view it from the perspective of any minority religious group that has been marginalized and discriminated against in the past. To the majority it doesn't seem like a big deal.

May 6, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

a huge red herring. but it gives atheist something to rant on. incessantly. beware of the creeping theocracy. Mwahahahaha

May 6, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

JD, your post is an example of this. From the perspective of the majority, it isn't a big deal. But it hasn't been that long when Jews and even Catholics were denied a place at the table, more so Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus.

May 6, 2014 at 11:26 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

And JD, do the sign of the cross around a bunch of Southern Baptists or ConMan and see how openly they accept you. As a Catholic in the South, you should understand that the "majority" isn't that welcoming.

May 6, 2014 at 11:49 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

But Gassy, a huge leap from that to a theocracy. I hear you and Lu, but I just think it's a tempest in a teapot. but I guess it makes good fodder for forums.

May 6, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.

Wrong, Mickey, it's not possible for a Christian to set up a "Saudi Arabian style Christian nation" here in the U.S. Christians believe in free will/freedom, so that wouldn't be possible. Islam, is very much about "convert or die". If you don't accept Christ by free will, then it means nothing. That can't be said of Islam. In the year 2014 there's only one religion that kills our of intolerance.

May 6, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Of course, JD. But you don't have to go all the way to a theocracy to deny minority religions full access without intimidation.

May 6, 2014 at 11:55 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Zab... but it fits the Rat's narrative better if you throw in the Christians...as in the big target

May 6, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu, one thing I've learned from your tolerant leftist view is that you're totally intractable. 😄

May 6, 2014 at 11:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Religious tolerance is an issue for any group in power.

May 6, 2014 at noon
GaussianInteger said...

"But Gassy, a huge leap from that to a theocracy. I hear you and Lu, but I just think it's a tempest in a teapot. but I guess it makes good fodder for forums."

It is an argument that Right-Wingers use with regards to the 2nd Amendment. "Tighter regulations will ultimately result in forfeitures and seizures of firearms from citizens". I see no difference. Being a Catholic in the south, I recognized long ago that the government (local, state, or federal) should not show favoritism towards one religion as they do with Christianity. It causes many misconceptions, particularly when it comes to US history. How many times do you here that "we were founded on Christian principles" or "The founding fathers were Christians"? Neither one of those statements are historically accurate.

May 6, 2014 at 12:03 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I'm not really worried about gun seizure, Gassy. Are you really worried about a theocratic gubmint?

May 6, 2014 at 12:19 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Oh I agree with you about Islam. It’s lucky Limric isn’t here now, I’ve heard him GO OFF on Muslims big time! I think he lived in the Middle East for a while or something.

However, I said, ” if given a free hand, (rabid Christians) would implement a Saudi Arabian style Christian nation right here.” Key here are two words ‘free hand’.

You stated: ” If you don't accept Christ by free will, then it means nothing.” History has shown that to be idealistic at best and downright false most of the time.

The greatest quote about Christians (not Christianity) came from the Shawnee chief Tecumseh:

”When Jesus Christ came upon the earth, you killed him, the son of your own God, you nailed him up! You thought he was dead, but you were mistaken. And only after you thought you killed him did you worship him, and start killing those who would not worship him. What kind of person is this for us to trust?”

May 6, 2014 at 12:32 p.m.
conservative said...

Continuing from 11:04 a.m.

The FIRST word of the First Amendment, "Congress."

"Congress"

Congress shall make no law....

Who shall make no law?

"Congress"

Who is prohibited from making a law?

"Congress"

CONGRESS shall make no law....

Shocked?

Angry?

Confused?

May 6, 2014 at 12:33 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I have not expressed so much as one, anti-Christian view"

"Jesus was God? Not a chance in Hell."

"Jesus can not be God"

"Jesus did indeed sin"

"Jesus was simply a human."

"He was not God and the Bible clearly supports it."

"Of course you are. It must be utterly frustrating to come to the realization that "God's word" is a totally false premise that you are totally ill-equipped to deal with."

"For all the hype you heap about the Bible being the word of God, You'd think God would have written or inspired one to write about him having taken a sabbatical for 33 years or so to go down to Earth and inhabit the body of his Son."

May 6, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Con, you are exhibit A for the case that religion should have no presence in our government. At any level.

May 6, 2014 at 12:52 p.m.
conservative said...

You are exhibit A for the case that Atheists will say anything to get rid of God in our country.

May 6, 2014 at 12:56 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Public prayer is nothing but a pretense, an ostentatious display of religiosity. Group Christian prayer at public secular events and government meetings is intended to serve one purpose: it makes the Christians feel good about themselves in their desire to placate their God whom they believe will bless us if we profess to be a Christian nation and who will curse us if we do not. But there is nothing in the Constitution that indicates our forefathers (who were mostly deists, not Christians) ever intended for this nation to be Christian.

Those of you like andystaab who claim to be showing "respect" for the self-righteous, arrogant Christians and JD, who mocks those of us who speak out against creeping theocracy, as if we're only imagining its existence...you fail to see the bigger picture. You pat yourselves on the backs for being so "tolerant" but there really is a stubbornly assertive faction of fundamentalist Christians (many of them in the Republican party) who are insistent on this nation being Christian in every sense of the word. Creeping theocracy is very real and those who believe the U.S. is meant to be Christian are very determined. Your so-called tolerance in the face of it is inexcusable. No, we are most likely not going to become a theocracy in totality, but even to allow Christians or any other religious group to get even a toe-hold in our government is a big mistake. The line between church and state must be kept distinct at all times and in every way.

May 6, 2014 at 1:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Using your definition of TROO Christian (TM), con, our country is majority atheist. Majority rules.

May 6, 2014 at 1:16 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie, you are the poster child exhibit of all time for your inability to offer cognitive responses, all while hiding behind an anonymous identity.

What's YOUR name, chickensh!t?

May 6, 2014 at 1:20 p.m.
conservative said...

You are greedy lkeithlu, Atheists already rule in so many areas, you just want more.

You people dominate the mess media.

You people dominate professing (not possessing) Christianity.

You people dominate the school system.

You people dominate government.

You people are the porn industry.

May 6, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So we ARE in power! Awesome. So why are there churches everywhere? Thousands of them.

May 6, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The rat .. The greatest quote about Christians (not Christianity) came from the Shawnee chief Tecumseh: Good point, Rat. Most of us look to Tecumseh for guidance.

May 6, 2014 at 1:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Suggestion to all. Follow Roo closely. He sees the bigger picture.

May 6, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu said... So we ARE in power! Awesome. So why are there churches everywhere? Thousands of them

=====================

Counterfeits.

You are/were in one.

Scores of others are as well.

If you stumbled into a true church, you would either get salvation or you would run for the door with your hands over your ears.

May 6, 2014 at 1:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Hey Roo! Will Round-Up kill creeping theocracy?

May 6, 2014 at 1:56 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"If you stumbled into a true church, you would either get salvation or you would run for the door with your hands over your ears."

Are you talking about the churches where people speak in tongues, where the members let out these god-awful squeals when overcome by the word of the Lord? I went to one of those churches once, and though I didn't "run to the door with my hands over my ears", I did walk out of the door shaking my head. However, I'm sure they were happy I showed up and dropped a twenty in the collection plate.

May 6, 2014 at 2:05 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Funny. That's exactly what I thought you would say, con. So all those "Christians" (the majority, it seems) are simply faking it. Who do they intend to fool, do you think? And why?

May 6, 2014 at 2:06 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Gassy, I've done that too. It was squeamish. Think I was good for only a sawbuck.

May 6, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
conservative said...

No,not all.

"ALL" is your straw man.

Many are not just hypocrites like you, that know they are not Christians but most who belong to a professing Christian church.

Scores are deceived. They are not consciously "faking it." These are the ones who will stand before Jesus (who was God incarnate) thinking that they will inherit everlasting life.

However, Jesus will say to them "depart from me, I never knew you".

Most of these deceived ones believe they are Christians because they believe they are made right with God by doing good works or that they are a good person or a combination of both.

They are deceived. This is what the word means.

May 6, 2014 at 2:22 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

It was back in my bachelor days. Went to church once, with a girl I dated semi-seriously. I thought one of the ladies was having convulsions or Tourette's attack. Then others joined in, I thought I was on that tv show Punked. I kept waiting for Ashton Kutcher to come out of a closet laughing or something.

Funny how that girl never understood why things didn't work out between us.

May 6, 2014 at 2:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Tell us what bigger picture you see, JD, when you seldom if ever venture beyond your computer keyboard and the narrow walls that surround you. You stay glued to this forum 365/24/7, probably with Faux News blaring non-stop in the background on your TV. Go ahead...expound upon your view of the bigger picture for us. Pretty much all we get from you is "liberals bad, conservatives good." And even then you limit your offerings to regurgitated snippets of liberal bashing.

I'll leave you with that, JD. I'm outa here for today. Enjoy sitting on your tired old ass in your stale musty room, with your stale musty thoughts.

May 6, 2014 at 2:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Well, Roo, sorry to see you go. Guess you're out feeding the poor...or some such. BTW, have you ever heard of mobile devices? I'm not stuck to one spot, but I appreciate you obsessing on it. Also, I don't bash all liberals. A few are not totally indoctrinated like you and occasionally see another POV. You, pal, are the total ideologue. Speaking of musty thoughts.

May 6, 2014 at 2:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie...

Matthew 6:1 - "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."

May 6, 2014 at 2:40 p.m.
conservative said...

continuing from May 6, 2014 at 12:33 p.m.

The FIRST word of the First Amendment, "Congress."

"Congress"

Congress shall make no law....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

Who shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion?

The answer is Congress!

"CONGRESS" shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

This has always been the case.

more to come.

May 6, 2014 at 2:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ooooooohhh...riiiiiight. So most are just fooled? Fooled by whom? Preachers? Parents? And how do you recognize the TROO Christians (TM)? Would you have the others exposed? Or do you believe heaven will be crowded enough without them?

May 6, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Matthew 6:5 - "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

May 6, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I have not expressed so much as one, anti-Christian view"

"Jesus was God? Not a chance in Hell."

"Jesus can not be God"

"Jesus did indeed sin"

"Jesus was simply a human."

"He was not God and the Bible clearly supports it."

"Of course you are. It must be utterly frustrating to come to the realization that "God's word" is a totally false premise that you are totally ill-equipped to deal with."

"For all the hype you heap about the Bible being the word of God, You'd think God would have written or inspired one to write about him having taken a sabbatical for 33 years or so to go down to Earth and inhabit the body of his Son."

May 6, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie is AFRAID to enter into anything resembling substantial debate, for he apparently has not the courage of his convictions.

God knows he can't type a cognitive sentence. All he can do is cut and paste mine.

So instead, he moves on to cyber-bash a lady.

Connie, if you are Christian, I'm worth a Billion.

What's YOUR name you Heathen?

May 6, 2014 at 2:52 p.m.

Some delicious irony for the aforementioned historically ignorant on this issue: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html (Don’t miss Thomas Jefferson’s “church” attendance practices around the time he wrote about the "wall of separation.")

May 6, 2014 at 2:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Naaw, he won't hardly engage me at all. Women are supposed to stay silent and not have opinions.

May 6, 2014 at 2:55 p.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu

Well, you are not a true Christian. You see and hear others here and elsewhere who are like you and agree with your beliefs.

That covers a lot of people doesn't it?

When you don't believe/hold to Christian doctrine you are not a Christian.

You attended a "church" that allowed open Homosexuals/sodomites as members as well as adulterers and others who openly lived lives contrary to Christianity.

You see that in other "churches" as well. So, you can easily see the false professors and the deceived can't you?

May 6, 2014 at 2:56 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote

"Nowhere in the Bible in either the Old or the New Testament, does any quotation by God or Jesus appear, that condemns or even references homosexuality, applicable to anyone but the Israelites."

"It is not a conscience choice, as you have stated, anymore than it is for straight people to choose their sexuality."

May 6, 2014 at 3 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I'm a Christian, and always will be" and "I am a practicing Christian"

"Just so you know, I would not be ashamed for one second to be a Mormon."

May 6, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I never claimed to be a Christian, con. So what's your point?

May 6, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"The very fact that Jesus was given birth, and came out as little helpless small baby is enough to refute the claim that Jesus is God."

May 6, 2014 at 3:03 p.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu

You asked who is a Christian. You already possess enough knowledge to figure that out. I made it easy for you.

People who share your beliefs and behavior and rejection of God's standards are not Christian.

May 6, 2014 at 3:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So I asked why there were so many churches if we "atheists" were the majority.

May 6, 2014 at 3:08 p.m.
conservative said...

Well, you were a hypocrite.

You thought you were alone?

Many "churches" are no more than social clubs.

You belonged to one that functioned as a sex club. People met there to hook up.

Many "churches" are poorly attended.

You know many hypocrites, you were one.

I have heard the heathen/practicing Atheists say for years that they don't attend church because of all the hypocrites.

Now, you come along and want to call them Christians.

Remember, YOU CALL HITLER A CHRISTIAN!

May 6, 2014 at 3:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So these churches are all empty? Some are pretty large. How can I tell which ones are real?

May 6, 2014 at 3:21 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"It is utter blasphemy to claim that God came out of a women like all people, it is utter blasphemy to claim God came out crying and screaming and being helpless and weak"

May 6, 2014 at 3:21 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Is there like a secret symbol ( you know, like the fish was once used) that tells TROO Christians (TM) which churches are real? They sound pretty rare.

May 6, 2014 at 3:22 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Such nonsense is insulting to God; this itself is enough to prove Jesus is not God. How can you claim that God came out of a woman?"

"Are you mad? Are you insane? How can you insult God in such a manner? Some of you Christians should be ashamed of yourselves for ascribing such rubbish to God."

May 6, 2014 at 3:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Does that mean you don't know? How do you know your own church is real?

May 6, 2014 at 3:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Well, I have given you enough to figure it out.

I know you were not sincere, I just enjoyed using you to get some knowledge to some confused souls here.

Thank you for your participation.

May 6, 2014 at 3:26 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'm afraid all you did was demonstrate how truly nuts you are, con. Don't think you saved anyone today. Better luck next time.

May 6, 2014 at 3:30 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

" I have never once offered a blaspheous statement into this forum. Do you even know what blasphemy is?"

"Jesus was God? Not a chance in Hell."

"Jesus can not be God"

"Jesus did indeed sin"

"Jesus was simply a human."

"He was not God and the Bible clearly supports it."

May 6, 2014 at 3:44 p.m.
limric said...

I reiterate a question I posed earlier. Why this need to pray in public? Didn’t your own Christ tell you that it gives you no reward other than getting to look or feel pious in front of other humans? Not a single Christian has addressed this point so far, likely because they don't know how.

Ooh---- Did you really go to church to 'hook up' Ikeithlu? Was it 'Our Lady of Mammalian Protuberances'?

May 6, 2014 at 3:52 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath."

May 6, 2014 at 3:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Apparently, limric. At least con says so. I can't recall any hook-ups, but perhaps I was too drunk or high to remember much. What a church...

May 6, 2014 at 3:57 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Gosh...do you think con was there???? What a scary thought....

May 6, 2014 at 4:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie has lost it, totally.

May 6, 2014 at 4:03 p.m.
limric said...

Mullah Omarcon,

:If god does not propose to judge a man until his life is over, WHAT DIVINE RIGHT EMPOWERS YOU TO DO SO?

:Paraphrased, Samuel Johns

If he was there Ikeithlu, at least we know where he got his acid.

May 6, 2014 at 4:04 p.m.
conservative said...

continued from 2:44 p.m.

Did you ever notice that Liberals cry separation of church and state when they oppose Bible reading and prayer at public meetings without ever quoting the First Amendment?

Have you ever seen one of these Liberals quote the First Amendment?

Why?

The plain wording of the First Amendment kills their argument, that is why they don't quote it.

CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

The key is the very first word of the First Amendment.

A ten year old could see/reason that CONGRESS is prohibited from establishing a religion, a national religion.

more to come

May 6, 2014 at 4:33 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Uh OH - Conservative’s late for a meeting…with God. Luckily, he is taken aloft in the Rapture.

About a 1minute 40seconds.

May 6, 2014 at 4:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'm kinda creeped out about con knowing that some churches are staging hook ups. Do you think he attends or just watches from the parking lot?

May 6, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Connie = the voyeur warrior

May 6, 2014 at 5:08 p.m.
limric said...

Look you blithering idiot. If you’re going to go the First Amendment route then quote it correctly, and try to understand founders meaning, intent and function. Not some mealy mouthed pious bullsh!t.

‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.’

Thomas Jefferson, *”I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

The reason liberals don’t quote the 1st Amendment as loudly and as often as your kind spout scripture is we know its meaning, intent and function. Something you cannot bring yourself to bear.

May 6, 2014 at 5:19 p.m.
conservative said...

continued from 2:44 p. m.

The Liberals/ Atheists don't want the First Amendment quoted because it is clear that CONGRESS and only CONGRESS is prohibited by the First Amendment from creating a national religion:

CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

They don't want people to see the plain language of the First Amendment.

I could show that first phrase to a 10 year old and ask him "who is prohibited from establishing a religion" and he would easily respond CONGRESS.

Age wise CONGRESS is made up of adults. These adults know that they are not establishing a national religion when they open a session of CONGRESS with prayer.

Here is a recent prayer opening up a session of CONGRESS.

04/29/2014

Reverend Dr. Benny Tate

Our Heavenly Father, we bow our heads in Your presence. The Bible teaches us, "Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity, because a House divided will not stand."

May Your servants in this body not look to parties, personalities, preferences, or press, but may they focus on principles and people. Let no personal ambition blind them to their responsibilities and accountability.

God, we call our Representatives politicians, but You call them ministers. May all the Members of this body make full proof of their ministry. I ask for Your guidance on their decisions and grace on their families.

I pray the Members of this body will seek Thy will and ways and have the spiritual courage and grace to follow it. Lift them above the claims of politics unto the dimension of a higher calling and mission.

We pray this prayer, respecting all faiths, but pray it in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Amen.

more to come

May 6, 2014 at 5:50 p.m.
conservative said...

Now, when that prayer before CONGRESS was given a few days ago, did you hear of any Demoncrat or Liberal yelling "separation of church and state?"

Did you hear or read of any Demoncrat or Liberal saying they were going to file suit to stop this?

They know that they were not seeking to establish a national religion.

May 6, 2014 at 5:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Conman says "more to come". ain't no doubt about that

May 6, 2014 at 5:55 p.m.
conservative said...

Now notice something.

The First Amendment clearly prohibits CONGRESS and only CONGRESS from establishing a national religion.

CONRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

CONGRESS opens business with a prayer.

Do you get that?

CONGRESS opens business with a prayer.

CONGRESS is prohibited from establishing a national religion:

CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

BUT this same CONGRESS that is prohibited from establishing a national religion can open with a prayer. Why?

Why? because a prayer is NOT establishing a national religion.

So near, yet so far away to some.

May 6, 2014 at 6:16 p.m.
conservative said...

I have this feeling this cartoon will not be up tomorrow.

May 6, 2014 at 6:18 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And why is that, pray tell?

May 6, 2014 at 6:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Curious: you claimed atheists were in control of the government, among other things, so if there is prayer in government, is it real prayer or fake prayer? Why would atheists pray? To whom would they pray?

May 6, 2014 at 6:25 p.m.
conservative said...

I hope someone gets the idea to publish one of the past prayers given before CONGRESS here daily, or as often as possible.

May 6, 2014 at 6:27 p.m.
conservative said...

Here is another recent prayer given before the opening of business in CONGRESS:

03/12/2014

Reverend Jason Parks

Father God, thank You for the rich blessings You've lavished on the United States of America.

We are so unworthy of Your grace and Your mercy. Today, we pray for the men and women of the United States House of Representatives.

Give them great wisdom, protection, and steadfast resolve. In their personal lives we ask that You replace turmoil with peace, bitterness with joy, and doubt with encouragement.

For our country, Father, we ask that You give us a renewed sense of gratitude, an unquenchable zeal for serving those who are in need, and unity toward the common purpose of liberty.

Above all else, Father, we honor You today. We humbly intercede on behalf of our country and her leaders.

In Jesus' name, Amen.

May 6, 2014 at 6:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So atheists aren't in control? Make up your mind!

May 6, 2014 at 6:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

If atheists are the majority and in control of government, then you just posted a fake prayer, con.

May 6, 2014 at 6:32 p.m.
conservative said...

01/04/2007

Reverend Daniel P. Coughlin

Today is built upon all the yesterdays and contains the promise of all the tomorrows.

Lord God, You are the eternal author of all creation and every age. You are the same yesterday, today and forever. Be present to us now. Be gracious and bless all those duly elected by their districts who gather today to form the House of the people as the 110th Congress of the United States of America for the governance of our beloved nation.

Together, may they know forthright debate and civil discourse, enact quality legislation and persevere in representing the diversity and the will of the people in addressing the priority issues facing the nation as a whole.

Bless the families of these representatives, granting them forbearance and understanding of the public service implied by this undertaking.

Lord, may the 110th Congress of the United States read the signs of the times and seize this moment to create a history that will reflect the values of Your kingdom, here on earth and thereby unite this nation and reveal to peoples around the world the dignity and the glory of being the free children of God. For to You be the honor, the power and the glory now and forever.

Amen.

May 6, 2014 at 6:43 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

But he's a fake Christian. That's a fake prayer.

May 6, 2014 at 6:44 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I have not expressed so much as one, anti-Christian view"

"Jesus was God? Not a chance in Hell."

"Jesus can not be God"

"Jesus did indeed sin"

"Jesus was simply a human."

"He was not God and the Bible clearly supports it."

"Of course you are. It must be utterly frustrating to come to the realization that "God's word" is a totally false premise that you are totally ill-equipped to deal with."

May 6, 2014 at 6:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Coughlin is a Catholic. I thought you said Catholics are not TROO Christians (TM).

May 6, 2014 at 6:48 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Don't listen to some Trinity preaching preacher."

May 6, 2014 at 6:51 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ignoring me will not make this go away. Either Catholics are Christians and you lied, or that is a fake prayer by an atheist in government pretending to be a Christian.

May 6, 2014 at 6:53 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"Look you idiot, all you have to do is to disprove one statement I have made. Cite any scripture in the New Testament that supports the trinity."

May 6, 2014 at 6:55 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"If the Biblical tale is indeed true, then God senselessly murdered millions of innocent humans and billions of animals in the flood. Even if there was the remote possibility in justifying the murder of people, what possible justification could have existed for wiping out most all animal life?"

May 6, 2014 at 6:56 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

I'm still waiting for the man to explain how it is that God is not a mass-murderer, after killing all life on the planet, save for one nuclear family and two of ever animal species that existed at the time, of course, that is if one does take every word in the Bible to be "God's word."

"Just so you know, I would not be ashamed for one second to be a Mormon."

May 6, 2014 at 7:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your evasion is evidence enough. You lied.

May 6, 2014 at 7:08 p.m.

So what if Christians want to pray in groups or in public. What's the big deal. Don't listen. What is a big deal is Sharia Law, and how it's been worked into legal systems, like in the UK. Flat out stupid. "Climate change/Global Warming/Climate Disruption" is the equivalent of a religion, in my opinion. Gore is the Pope and it rakes in millions and he's getting rich. Gore is as corrupt as any filthy rich preacher who's living a double standard.

I think separation of church and state is a good thing, a very good thing. Even though I'm a Christian, I think it's for the best. Power corrupts no matter who you are, and mixing religion and government always ends up creating a hell hole, like the Islamic states around the world.

May 6, 2014 at 7:17 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Ignoring me will not make this go away. Either Catholics are Christians and you lied, or that is a fake prayer by an atheist in government pretending to be a Christian."

I had ConMan caught up in this scenario a couple of weeks ago (Jack_Dennis {he was Plain_Truth then} can attest to this). He would not come out and say that he doesn't believe that Catholics are Christians. Truth and I asked him about 15 times if he considered Catholics as Christians and he skipped around the question as he is doing today. I take that (and of course I knew this already) that ConMan does not believe Catholics are Christians. I would bet 100 dollars to one that ConMan did not know Coughlin was Catholic. Otherwise, A). He wouldn't have posted it B). He would have used that as the crux of the argument that Congress is run by atheists and a "fake prayer" by Coughlin is the rock-solid proof. Now he is acting like a 12 year old.

May 6, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"The Bible is full of contradictions, the most blatant of which, is the contrast between a "perfect" and "loving God," who is just as likely to cause it to rain fire and brimstone upon Earth and all it's inhabitants, for any reason."

May 6, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, zab, it's nice to be in agreement with you. 2nd paragraph only though.

May 6, 2014 at 7:24 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Con, you are busted. Lying for Jesus is still lying, no matter how you spin it.

May 6, 2014 at 7:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"The Bible never has been the word of God and you will never make it so"

"Face the truth for once in your life. God is a murderer and a mass-murderer at that...IF THE BIBLE IS ACCURATE."

May 6, 2014 at 7:35 p.m.
conservative said...

01/10/2014

Reverend Patrick J. Conroy, S.J.

Loving and gracious God, we give You thanks for giving us another day.

We ask today that You bless the Members of this assembly to be the best and most faithful servants of the people they serve. Purify their intentions that they will say what they believe and act consistently with their words.

Help them, indeed help us all, to be honest with themselves so that they will be concerned not only with how their words and deeds are weighed by others, but also with how their words and deeds affect the lives of those in need, and those who look to them for support, help, strength, and leadership.

May all that is done this day in the people's House be for Your greater honor and glory.

Amen.

May 6, 2014 at 7:41 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Jesuit. Catholic. Fake prayer. Hmmmm...atheist conspiracy?

May 6, 2014 at 7:44 p.m.
conservative said...

Some Liberals just don't understand the First Amendment.

CONGRESS has prayer.

CONGRESS HAS PRAYER!

01/21/2014

Reverend Patrick J. Conroy, S. J. God of life, we give You thanks for giving us another day.

As the members of this people's House are home with family and taking time to meet with constituents, our Nation has paused to remember a period of America's history when the ideals of our founding documents were put to the test and a new era of greater rights for all citizens emerged.

We thank You for the greatness of those times and the individuals who toiled and suffered to call us to our better selves as a people. May we remain vigilant, for the rights of men seem still in jeopardy.

In these days as well, many Americans come to the Capital, as so many did 50 years ago, to make their voices heard about another major issue affecting our Nation. May Your spirit of truth and justice descend upon all who are exercising one of the great freedoms our Nation stands for––to peaceably assemble and make known our concerns to government.

May all that is done this day be done for Your greater honor and glory.

Amen.

May 6, 2014 at 7:53 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

By a Catholic. Fake? Real? Answer please.

May 6, 2014 at 8 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I do not believe in a "wrathful God." To believe in such a God, would be to believe that God is demented, evil, despondent, heinous, despicable, and just plain crazy"

"The Bible is full of contradictions, the most blatant of which, is the contrast between a "perfect" and "loving God," who is just as likely to cause it to rain fire and brimstone upon Earth and all it's inhabitants, for any reason."

May 6, 2014 at 8:06 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, alprova wrote:

"I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath."

"The idea that we are to accept a mass-murderer as an object of worship doesn't reflect well upon Christians at all. If he murdered nearly every human on the planet, God is far more heinous than Hitler. Yet Christians are to willfully worship him without question. Why?"

May 6, 2014 at 8:09 p.m.
una61 said...

Since public prayer is now o.k. for public institutions, will it now be o.k. for public schools? Hopefully, not.

May 6, 2014 at 8:58 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

60/40 chance anyone named Coughlin is a Roman Catholic.

May 6, 2014 at 10:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie, I think I can safely type that the only person who considers a thing you write to be coming from a TROO Christian, is yourself.

You are a complete and total moron, and a very poor example of a God-fearing/loving Christian.

I again post the following for your consideration. To ignore it is of course a personal choice, but I don't know many people who would;

Matthew 6:1 - “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."

May 6, 2014 at 11:29 p.m.
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