published Sunday, May 25th, 2014

The VA

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Fairmon got his wish...

Now we get t witness a day of finger pointing that most assuredly will involve holding President Obama totally responsible.

Sigh...

May 25, 2014 at 1:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova...I haven't said nor do I think Obama is at fault for the mess that has existed for decades to varying degrees. I do think he has done little to address the problem as he promised when he was campaigning. Congress has failed miserably to meet their over sight obligation. They, both parties, are still playing politics with the issue. Obama and congress say it takes time to address the issue although it shouldn't if they would get off their arses and get to work on it. Somebody needs to "B" slap Nancy Pelosi and send her home permanently although her husband would be devastated.

May 25, 2014 at 5:24 a.m.
Astropig said...

"Now we get t witness a day of finger pointing that most assuredly will involve holding President Obama totally responsible."

Ah, the subtle bigotry of low expectations.Since he seems so powerless,maybe he really wasn't up to the job he ran for.

May 25, 2014 at 5:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

People need to write, call and do whatever it takes to pressure congress to provide the earned and deserved healthcare and post combat counseling for veterans. They also need to provide job training and placement assistance for all veterans. We do more for people that could utilize opportunities to provide for their self but don't than we do veterans. Many veterans do very well on their own and contribute a lot to society while others struggle and have a hard time adjusting to civilian life.

The VA healthcare system started with good intentions in a different time but is now a relic that needs to be mothballed and replaced with a new system enabling veterans to obtain the best care available in the private sector.

An independent analysis of the cost of healthcare and prescriptions for veterans compared to the same in the private sector may be shocking.

May 25, 2014 at 5:38 a.m.
rick1 said...

A government that fails to secure its borders is guilty of dereliction of duty. A government that fails to care for our men and women on the frontlines is guilty of malpractice. A government that puts the needs of illegal aliens above U.S. veterans for political gain should be prosecuted for criminal neglect bordering on treason.

There is something seriously wrong when the politicians are taking better care of illegal aliens then the men and women of our military.

This is an excellent article.

http://m.cnsnews.com/commentary/michelle-malkin/how-america-treats-illegal-aliens-vs-veterans

May 25, 2014 at 8:02 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ Way too much common sense, Rick.

May 25, 2014 at 8:19 a.m.
rick1 said...

Jack, also our country is giving better medical care to the terrorists at Gitmo than our veterans are receiving.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/052314-702086-gitmo-detainees-medical-care-better-than-veterans.htm

May 25, 2014 at 8:38 a.m.
librul said...

A political party that wraps itself in the flag and eagerly promotes and starts wars across the globe for the benefit of its corporate sponsors then votes against appropriations to care for the wounded victims of its profligate war making is an abomination.

May 25, 2014 at 8:40 a.m.
tifosi said...

Americans let down our heroes.

May 25, 2014 at 9:05 a.m.
wallyworld said...

We need to quit sending our young men and women to wars that are unfunded and unwarranted. We have left our veterans uncared for and underfunded for years and years. So, now we're hearing the problems that arise when we don't have the funds for their care, but plenty to start a new war or give tax cuts the wealthiest - who would have thought this would happen?

May 25, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.

Wow, it's Sunday and no cartoon glorifying homosexuality. Must have run out of ideas for that.

BO did not start the VA, and VA problems have been around a long time, but nobody is quicker to blame past Presidents for it, and many other things, than he is. He is the blamer in chief.

According to Dems/libs the VA is a model for BOscare.

May 25, 2014 at 9:42 a.m.
tifosi said...

librul and wallyworld - You remember your words today when you climb in your car and drive across town burning gasoline. You caused these wars. Take responsibility and stop playing politics with our veterans.

May 25, 2014 at 9:45 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

wow! props to Tiffy.

May 25, 2014 at 9:48 a.m.
librul said...

Sure, sure, Tif - and I suppose you haven't looked at your icon lately, LOL!

And those twerps in Congress who fly across the continent twice a week burning kerosene are paragons of virtue, huh?

If we all drove solar powered cars, would you rant against the waste of silicon?

May 25, 2014 at 10:35 a.m.
tifosi said...

I'm not the one throwing stones at the decision our nation made. I'm not the one crying about the corporations that I buy products from. I acknowledge our dependency on foreign oil for our freedoms. I am a part of this nation for better or worse and I don't take cheap shots at our democracy by blaming everyone else. I am responsible for those wars and we did the right thing. President Obama during his first campaign was vowing to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan in short order. Then he got his first security briefing and then he took Al-Qaeda to the wood shed. Kudos to him.

Librul - When was the last time you called a congressman or senator to express your opinion? Have you ever written a letter to the White House? Do you even participate in our democracy, or just throw stones?

May 25, 2014 at 10:49 a.m.
librul said...

Can't respond to that little spoonful of literary feces in a civil manner so I'll just be satisfied at the vision of soul less hypocrisy masquerading as unquestioned patriotism that it represents.

May 25, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.
tifosi said...

Smart move.

May 25, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.
librul said...

I'm sure when our government's puppeteers in the oil and gas industry succeed in getting the OK for the Keystone pipeline so we can refine and EXPORT all that Canadian tar sands oil, you will talk a bit less about our 'dependence' on FOREIGN oil.

May 25, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

librul, other than living in relative luxury and the means to beyootch constantly, are there other things you like about the U.S.of A.?

May 25, 2014 at 11:30 a.m.
librul said...

Your mantra: when outclassed, deflect.

May 25, 2014 at 11:42 a.m.
tifosi said...

Just remember when you drive your car librul, you more than anyone support the oil and gas industry. You give them the most important thing that gives them power. You give them money. That is hypocrisy. You are just as guilty as anyone.

May 25, 2014 at 11:43 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"People need to write, call and do whatever it takes to pressure congress to provide the earned and deserved healthcare and post combat counseling for veterans. They also need to provide job training and placement assistance for all veterans." - fairmon

The recent Veterans Bill authored by Bernie Sanders and supported by almost all Democrats did just that - to the tune of $21 billion. But the Republicans voted almost unanimously against it, claiming that they needed to stay focused on budget cuts. Fairmon, you like to blame Dems as well as Repubs for not taking action for helping our vets, but your equal blame for both parties rings hollow here. You might have good reason to point out corruption in both parties for certain things but this is not one of them.

The Republican response was that it was too large, too costly and would burden a Department of Veterans Affairs already struggling to keep up with promised benefits. And what was their alternative solution? The same as their solution for Obamacare: NOTHING. And what is the solution that you propose, fairmon? Privatize it? Yeah....our model of privatized health care has worked so well over the years, to the point that premiums are so ridiculously high that tens of millions of Americans could not afford to take out even a high-deductible policy.

The main problem with the VA is that it is severely underfunded and understaffed. The GOP has had a relentless campaign going on for years to reduce funding to any and all government programs, and their strategy of starving the beast has paid off for them beautifully, such that the severe funding cuts have reduced education and the VA to a mere shell of what they once were. It is not that the government is so inept and can't manage anything; it is just that Republicans have succeeded so well in eroding public trust in government funded programs and have convinced people that they aren't even worth funding.

May 25, 2014 at 11:43 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

librul says "Your mantra: when outclassed, deflect." <<<seems like a deflection to me

May 25, 2014 at 11:50 a.m.
Easy123 said...

TheJackDennis tends to deflect about his admitted sex offender status.

May 25, 2014 at 12:17 p.m.

zableedofisterix said... "Wow, it's Sunday and no cartoon glorifying homosexuality. Must have run out of ideas for that."

If you'll look in the mirror and in your closets you can find your own homosexual cartoons.

What about the gay veterans, and there are many, who served? You're saying they don't deserve their rights?

No less an icon of old-school republicans (when being a republican was honorable) than Barry Goldwater had this to say about gays in the military.

" After more than 50 years in the military and politics, I am still amazed to see how upset people can get over nothing. Lifting the ban on gays in the military isn't exactly nothing, but it's pretty damned close

Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. They'll still be serving long after we're all dead and buried. That should not surprise anyone.

But most Americans should be shocked to know that while the country's economy is going down the tubes, the military has wasted half a billion dollars over the past decade chasing down gays and running them out of the armed services.

May 25, 2014 at 12:20 p.m.

Barry Goldwater continued:

"It's no great secret that military studies have proved again and again that there's no valid reason for keeping the ban on gays. Some thought gays were crazy, but then found that wasn't true. then they decided that gays were a security risk, but again the Department of Defense decided that wasn't so-in fact, one study by the Navy in 1956 that was never made public found gays to be good security risks. Even Larry Korb, President Reagan's man in charge of implementing the Pentagon ban on gays, now admits that it was a dumb idea.

"When the facts lead to one conclusion, I say it's time to act, not to hide. The country and the military know that eventually the ban will be lifted. The only remaining questions are how much muck we will all be dragged through, and how many brave Americans like Tom Paniccia and Margarethe Cammermeyer will have their lives and careers destroyed in a senseless attempt to stall the inevitable.

Some in congress think I'm wrong. They say we absolutely must continue to discriminate, or all hell will break loose. Who knows, they say, perhaps our soldiers may even take up arms against each other.

Well, that's just stupid.

Years ago, I was a lieutenant in charge of an all-black unit. Military leaders at the time believed that blacks lacked leadership potential - period. That seems ridiculous now, as it should. Now, each and every man and woman who serves this nation takes orders from a black man - our own Gen. Colin Powell.

Nobody thought that blacks or women could ever be integrated into the military. Many thought that an all-volunteer force could never protect our national interest. Well, it has, and despite those who feared the worst - I among them - we are still the best and will continue to be.

The point is that decisions are always a lot easier to make in hindsight. but we seldom have that luxury. That's why the future of our country depends on leadership, and that's what we need now.

I served in the armed forces. I have flown more than 150 of the best fighter planes and bombers this country manufactured. I founded the Arizona National Guard. I chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee. And I think it's high time to pull the curtains on this charade of policy.

What should undermine our readiness would be a compromise policy like "Don't ask, don't tell." That compromise doesn't deal with the issue - it tries to hide it.

The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays."

(Arizona Republican Barry M. Goldwater retired from the Senate in 1987)

May 25, 2014 at 12:23 p.m.
fairmon said...

librul...the increased capacity will affect the price of oil and provide meaningful employment for many Americans. What road blocks the DOE and EPA have not been addressed and reconciled. It appears the only remaining obstacle is Obama's obligation to unreasonable environmentalist. You hear less about the pipe line transporting oil to Canada for refining and U.S. distribution. A good source of facts are those investment gurus that have no political agenda but look at the impact on investments. At this point they hesitate to invest in potential approval of the Keystone pipeline with Harry Reid, not Obama, blocking approval.

At some point Canada will exercise other options such as a pipeline that enables selling the oil directly to China and other asian countries.

May 25, 2014 at 12:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

bro said...The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays." (Arizona Republican Barry M. Goldwater retired from the Senate in 1987)

bro..Actually the discrimination is against all singles. You will aleniate the progressives that think an expanding controlling government is best for the country. The VA issue is a glimpse of what the ACA will bring.

May 25, 2014 at 12:32 p.m.

Barry Goldwater also had this to say about political Christian fundamentalists (and that's most of the fundies).

" There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.

I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.”

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”

“Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives.”
~Barry Goldwater

Those who wear the "conservative-Tea Party" mantle today are not interested in freedom for others, only their right to decide for everyone else.

May 25, 2014 at 12:38 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

allahsbuttbrother: Fear the creeping theocracy...it's like kudzoo. bwahahahaha

May 25, 2014 at 12:48 p.m.
librul said...

Kudzoo(sp) - that says it all .........

Theocracy - a prolific weed of the narrow mind, can be eliminated just as noxious weeds of the field like kudzu.

May 25, 2014 at 1:21 p.m.

TheJackDennis said... "allahsbuttbrother: Fear the creeping theocracy...it's like kudzoo."

More like laugh at the admitted sex-offender creeping theocrat Tea Party troll. Like they say, "If the Depends fit, wear it."

In other Christian fundy news — Check out the story in the TFP about the Christian College President using forced labor at his school. He's been arrested. I'm sure his defense will be, "God loves slavery."

Not only this, this fine Christian fundy Bible humper Reginald Wayne Miller "has had a past run-in with law enforcement. In 2006, the Horry County Police Department charged Miller with lewdness and prostitution after Miller exposed himself to an undercover police officer in a bath house at Myrtle Beach State Park, according to a police report."

Seems as Miller and TheJackDennis have a lot in common. Perhaps they can get together and exchange techniques.

May 25, 2014 at 1:52 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Librul, I can't begin to tell you how embarrassed I am misspelling kudzu

May 25, 2014 at 2:14 p.m.
wallyworld said...

tifosi ~ what kind of logic is that ~ librul and wallyworld - You remember your words today when you climb in your car and drive across town burning gasoline. You caused these wars. Take responsibility and stop playing politics with our veterans. I always thought we went into Iraq because of WMD's or then it was Saddam Hussein was doing terrible things with the chemicals we supplied him ~ see picture of Rummy shaking Saddam's hand as he gives him WMD's. And Afghanistan was to capture Osama bin Laden who was responsible for the attack on the twin towers under Bush/Cheney's watch. Now which is it? Can you keep your lies straight? You people are disgusting.

May 25, 2014 at 2:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

wallyworld - I guess you were okay with this? http://youtu.be/yQiSnKy2tb4?t=2m3s

The war was about control of oil.

May 25, 2014 at 3:06 p.m.
wallyworld said...

You are pitiful! I support clean energy and politicians who want to get us off this nasty coal and oil. How about you? Not so much, you're a typical flat-earther and non-thinker. Go back to your cave and get you some whale oil and a horse and buggy.

May 25, 2014 at 3:53 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"You will aleniate (sic) the progressives that think an expanding controlling government is best for the country." - fairmon

What a load of crap. I don't know of one liberal who ascribes to such a warped view of government. Nobody wants an "expanding controlling government!" Liberals cherish individual freedom every bit as much as any conservative or libertarian. But the major flaw in the simpleminded libertarian philosophy of so-called individual freedom, with no centralized government or an extremely ineffectual one, is that, when left to our own devices, it is too easy for certain individuals or groups of likeminded individuals to exert their power over other less powerful people. And in a capitalist society such as ours, based on the profit motive, such power is easily attained by people of wealth. The purpose of our government is to protect the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for ALL, not just those with money and power.

When we libs say that we believe in government we are not talking about a government that invades and controls our private lives but one that represents and serves the interests of the PEOPLE. As it is today, our government is indeed corrupt in that it is owned and manipulated by big business and special interests (in short it is an oligarchy). But we do not think that government is inherently evil. It only needs to be set right, in accordance with democratic principles. You libertarians claim that if an individual is wronged it is up to the individual to right that wrong. But the average person does not, cannot wield the power that a corporation or a super-rich person does. Money buys protection, influence, privilege, and special favors. Government laws and regulations are oftentimes the only thing the average person has to protect him/her from the greed and self-interest of corporations and people of wealth. And 99.99% of the time business will act in its own best interests, without regard for the welfare of the public. Capitalism has greed and myopic self-interest built into it. To turn a blind eye to that and act as if people will just do the right thing in the end is inexcusably shortsighted and dumb.

Like it or not, there IS a common good and a national interest that must take priority over unmitigated individual freedom. We must sacrifice certain minor freedoms for the greater freedom of the most number of people being allowed to live their lives in peace, health, and harmony...as a society...as a nation of UNITED states.

May 25, 2014 at 4:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

Wallyworld - WOW!!! Considering I have worked with the likes of the Oak Ridge National Lab and the National Transportation Research Center to advance lightweight materials and alternative energy through motorsports, I am so hurt.... well not really.

But, I also realize that our economy is still dependent on foreign oil. There are those that know if they can gain control of oil supplies, they can gain significant power over world economies. That was Saddam's game.

I have witnessed first-hand just how dirty coal is, in a way that you would never have thought. They will dump waste oil on the ground from equipment and then conveniently cover it up during reclamation. When I tried to blow the whistle on a site that was dumping 5,000 gallons of Castrol Blue hydraulic oil (Wildcat Hills http://www.peabodyenergy.com/content/271/Publications/Fact-Sheets/Wildcat-Hills) the EPA would not even return phone calls to my attorney.

Besides supporting politicians and crying the blues on this site... what have you done?

May 25, 2014 at 4:14 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Tifosi, not sure exactly what point you are trying to make with that video. Sure, chemical warfare is a despicable thing and we all know that Saddam was an egomaniacal tyrant. But the number of those dead bodies and the extent of carnage pales in comparison to the more than 100,000 (some reports say it is more likely in the neighborhood of several hundreds of thousands) of innocent dead Iraqis at the hands of our invading soldiers. And remember, we invaded a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Yes, we all know that the control of oil was no doubt uppermost in the minds of Bush and his neo-con gang of thugs who had intentions of invading Iraq even before 9/11. But the fact is that he lied to us and deceived us into making war for all the wrong reasons. Now the entire region is much more unstable than it ever was with Saddam in power. While he was admittedly getting away with murder in his own backyard, he was nothing more than a big fish in a little pond and we actually had him contained under a watchful eye. He never would have gotten away with doing anything on a major scale that would have hurt our vital interests.

We eviscerated the infrastructure of the entire country, killed at least a hundred thousand innocents, maimed hundreds of thousands more, left a million or more homeless and forced them to leave their homeland, and we destabilized the entire Middle East, even worse than it already was. The war was a major f#ck-up, period.

May 25, 2014 at 4:54 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ Here's what Wally and his ilk do well.....b!tch, moan, yell racism, homophobe, flat earther, fundy and moron. Oh yeah, and correct spelling errors.

May 25, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Roo says "The war was a major f#ck-up, period". Agreed.

May 25, 2014 at 4:57 p.m.
tifosi said...

Rickaroo - You are a very confused individual. Your numbers... back them up. You are as bad as any RWNJ for distorting the facts.

If I use your rationale. then your left-wing predecessors were responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews, by keeping America out of the war in Europe.

I guess you supported ignoring this:

"Since then, Mr. Hussein's has been a tale of terror that scholars have compared to that of Stalin, whom the Iraqi leader is said to revere, even if his own brutalities have played out on a small scale. Stalin killed 20 million of his own people, historians have concluded. Even on a proportional basis, his crimes far surpass Mr. Hussein's, but figures of a million dead Iraqis, in war and through terror, may not be far from the mark, in a country of 22 million people."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hussein-killed.html

May 25, 2014 at 4:57 p.m.

TheJackDennis said...

"Here's what Wally and his ilk do well.....b!tch, moan, yell racism, homophobe, flat earther, fundy and moron. Oh yeah, and correct spelling errors."

We also point out that you're a admitted sex offender along with talking about fundies, morons, homophobes, and racists, and flat earthers which pretty much sums up your life.

Does your Tea Party Twitter groups know about your admitted sex offenses?

May 25, 2014 at 5:06 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"...homophobe, flat earther, fundy and moron." - JD

Yep, JD, that pretty describes the mindset of a large number of conservatives today. Thank you for pointing that out.

May 25, 2014 at 5:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

I'm a conservative today.

Last week I was a liberal.

Ahhh... the life of not having a political party to control my mind. We are called Independents!

It is the Independents that actually determine the outcome of elections. The rest are just fluff.

May 25, 2014 at 5:16 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

And you're among the worst, Roo. Totally incapable of others POV.

May 25, 2014 at 5:29 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"If I use your rationale. then your left-wing predecessors were responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews, by keeping America out of the war in Europe." - tifosi

Left-wing predecessors? There really wasn't a clear-cut left/right division on the war then. As many conservatives were opposed to entering the war as liberals. There was no significant distinction between the two ideological camps about whether to enter the war prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Pre-Pearl Harbor, most of America was fervently opposed to getting involved. It took that fateful incident to convince us to join the fray (more as an act of retaliation than as a matter of saving the world from injustice), at which point we were united by a unanimity of purpose unlike any other time before or since. We had to experience the injustice first-hand before we were moved to commit to the war.

It is not necessarily an indictment of those who were opposed to joining in the early stages of the war. Many people still thought it was a huge mistake getting involved in WW1. What's more, they did not have instant communication and graphic depictions of video like we do today. Most Americans were not aware of the extent of Hitler's barbaric cruelties towards the Jews until much later on.

May 25, 2014 at 5:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I'm really getting a kick out of the irony in everything the admitted sex offender, TheJackDennis, posts.

He's the epitome of a hypocrite with his "incapable of others POV" comment. Total bullsh!t coming from that mongrel.

May 25, 2014 at 5:41 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Left-wing predecessors? There really wasn't a clear-cut left/right division on the war then."

Ahh... you missed that chapter in your history book. Unlike some folks, I use facts to back my arguments.

"During the 1930s, a nationwide student movement developed that, at its peak, involved hundreds of thousands of students. Through its identification with the American labor movement and its links to the radical organizations of the World War I decade, the 1930s student movement was very different from the antiwar activism that developed on campuses in the 1960s. Made up of a coalition of liberals, pacifists, communists, and socialists, students in the 1930s sought to identify with the mass labor struggles of the decade, oppose racial discrimination in the US and fascism abroad, and advocated for domestic relief programs."

http://depts.washington.edu/antiwar/pnwhistory_wwii.shtml

Sounds like a lot of liberals today.

May 25, 2014 at 5:47 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Actually tifosey and rickarooney, the US refused entry of boatloads of Jews fleeing Germany sending them back to the gas chambers, so yes the US is explicitly a party to the holocaust. We sit in the same boat Stalin sat in. Furthermore, the US and allies had ample information on what was going on in the concentration camps but would not reveal it to the American public. We stood by while the Cambodians exterminated a massive number of their own population, we fought WWI to end all wars because "God was on our side." Yet we got our panties in a wad over Croatia and Rwanda. Go figure.

All war does is reveal the basest evil of the human character. Show me a "good" or a "just" war and I'll show you a patriot - you do recall the last refuge of a scoundrel is patriotism. As Bob Dylan said, "If God is on our side, he will stop the next war."

Memorial day ought at least to give us the time to pause to reconsider the folly of war.

May 25, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.
tifosi said...

No one hates war more than a soldier.

May 25, 2014 at 5:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

No more facts to back up your argument, tifosi?

May 25, 2014 at 6:16 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Tifosi, granted, there was a large pacifist movement afoot then. I'm not talking about that, though. I don't think that it can in any way compare to the Vietnam war demonstrations of the 60s because, while there were certainly a large number of pacifists involved in those demonstrations, it mostly consisted of people who were opposed to the specific war in Vietnam and how unjustified it was.

The fact is that FDR, the quintessential liberal, was FOR early engagement but most Republicans were staunchly opposed to it, enough so to prevent him from going ahead and declaring war early on. It was not some activist movement of "liberals, pacifists, communists, and socialist students" who kept us from entering the war. I'm just drawing attention to the fact that you are giving the impression that there was a clear, distinct line between liberals and conservatives about whether to enter the war or not. And that was simply not the case. Among average Americans it was not necessarily a liberal/conservative issue. It was much more complicated than that.

May 25, 2014 at 6:18 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

IM, you say, "...the US and allies had ample information on what was going on in the concentration camps but would not reveal it to the American public." But it is the American public that I am mostly talking about. Tifosi is presumptuous enough to make whether to enter WW2 early on a liberal/conservative issue, as if all libs back then just wanted to stick their heads in the sand and hide from the atrocities, while all conservatives were strong and united in wanting to fight for truth, justice, and the American way. All I'm saying is that the lines between average Americans were not so clearly drawn, it was much more than just a liberal/conservative issue.

May 25, 2014 at 6:28 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I've had my say for the time being and I stand by it. Time for this old liberal to go play in the yard and hug some trees, while there's still some daylight left. Peace and all that.

May 25, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.
tifosi said...

Sorry Easy123, I did not see where you had anything intelligent to add to the conversation.

May 25, 2014 at 7:01 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^^nothing new

May 25, 2014 at 7:05 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

I have been trying to file a claim for a service-related medical condition using the ebenefits.va.gov website for a month. It just flat DOES NOT WORK.

But, that's not Obama's problem. He's not a VETERAN, and neither is anybody else he cares about.

May 25, 2014 at 7:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sorry tifosi, I didn't see where you had anything intelligent to say either with your blaming foreign wars on people that drive cars in the United States while nearly ripping your shoulder out of socket trying to pat yourself on the back for the supposed work you did with Oak Ridge National Lab and the National Transportation Research Center.

May 25, 2014 at 7:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

prairie_dog,

Don't use the internet to file such a claim. Get people on the phone. That is the only way you're going to get anything started. I've worked with several Veteran's just like yourself that have a really hard time getting the claims process started. You have to get your doctor involved and the right paperwork ready. Don't use the Internet!

May 25, 2014 at 7:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

From the department of redundancy department, more irony from the admitted sex offender, TheJackDennis.

May 25, 2014 at 7:54 p.m.
tifosi said...

Still nothing of intellect from Easy123. C'mon Suhler you can do better.

May 25, 2014 at 7:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Still nothing of intellect from tifosi. Just another blow hard.

I can do this all day.

The things you've posted today would put you in the category of "douchebag". Where do you get off blaming wars on the American people because they drive cars?

Were you not just rationalizing going to war in Iraq because of Saddam's massacre of the Kurds i.e. the video you posted? Was the war for oil or to stop the killing? Which was it?

I highly doubt you can do any better than the floundering you're doing now.

May 25, 2014 at 8 p.m.
tifosi said...

I was expecting more from a Ph.D. The ones I know have more class and intellect.

May 25, 2014 at 8:01 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I was expecting an answer from someone that tries to play "smart" over the Internet. But I get it. It's hard to support what you say when you can't bring up a link from someone else to talk for you. Weren't you the one that said you used facts to back up your argument?

Do I need to ask again or are you going to support what you say/YOUR hypocrisy?

May 25, 2014 at 8:04 p.m.

What should be remembered is that in 1941 WWI and the slaughter was still fresh in many minds. The Communist US Party in many cases did not know of Stalin's atrocities, only what the propaganda released from Moscow said. Many Socialists/Communists (The Lincoln Brigade) had fought in the Spanish Civil War for the Spanish Republic against the Franco/German alliance.

When the Soviets signed the Non-Aggression Pact with Nazi Germany, many US Communists were stunned.

Anti-semitism was common in America, with Henry Ford being one of the biggest. Charles Lindbergh was the defacto head of the America First Committee, not really pacifist -- rather non-interventionist.

Japan had been in China and Manchuria since the mid 1930s and was considered more of a threat than Germany.

In 1939-40 the US military had began a massive rearmament and recruitment program. Both MacArthur and Patton foresaw a war.

France and Great Britain were still in depression and hadn't recovered material and manpower since WW1. Germany, particularly Hitler, did not think that either would start a war over the Danzig Corridor which had been part of Germany, though it was given to Poland by the disastrous Versaille Treaty.

Joe Kennedy, US Ambassador to GB, thought that England would fall to Germany. No one thought France would give up in less than a month of war, but it did.

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor, were quarantined to Bermuda. The Duke was a great Nazi sympathizer and was alleged to have been promised a return to the throne if Germany won. The Duchess, Wallis Simpson, was a sexual acrobat, and had been intimate with Ribbentrop, the German Prime Minister who was later hanged at Nuremberg after the war.

Many Americans did not want war regardless, particularly a foreign war involving Europeans. It took Pearl Harbor to bring the US into the war. Had the Japanese used kamikaze tactics at the beginning of the war the US would have been decimated in the Pacific and it would have been years, if ever for a US victory there.

The US then declared war on Japan and Germany, not until them did Germany declare war on the US. Hitler did not want war with the US.

This is just a small part of the interesting history and political machinations of the world before and during WW2.

It's never a simple good verses evil.

May 25, 2014 at 8:05 p.m.
tifosi said...

Suhler - Not interested in a discussion with an adolescent.

May 25, 2014 at 8:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Then have a discussion with me because I'm not one.

I know your kind all too well. You have a lot to say until someone calls you out.

Suhler?

May 25, 2014 at 8:07 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Rickaroo yes I know what you mean

May 25, 2014 at 10:17 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Easy has never posted anything of substance. Just name calling and lies. A punk.

May 25, 2014 at 10:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

There are plenty here that would disagree with you, admitted sex offender, TheJackDennis. And there are more than enough examples from any of my previous posts that would prove you either ignorant, a liar, or both.

On the other hand, you truly have never posted anything of substance or an original thought throughout your time here. Of course, you've gone through several screen names in an attempt to pass your ignorant quips off as rational, but it never seems to work for you as you're often found out very quickly. Everything you say is a perfect case of hypocrisy. The irony flows from your dirty little, convicted felon fingers.

If the name fits, tough sh!t. And I've never lied here. However, you have told a cornucopia of lies along with trying to present yourself as someone else as I've mentioned above.

You're the punk. Ask anyone here, Mr. Admitted Sex Offender. The things you post are juvenile at best. You're the local troll and no one here would deny it.

May 25, 2014 at 11 p.m.
fairmon said...

This is not a false scandal, it is real and congress ia at fault.

May 26, 2014 at 6:54 a.m.
wallyworld said...

(Reuters) - U.S. Senate Republicans blocked legislation on Thursday that would have expanded federal healthcare and education programs for veterans, saying the $24 billion bill would bust the budget.

Even though the legislation cleared a procedural vote on Tuesday by a 99-0 vote, the measure quickly got bogged down in partisan fighting.

Supporters said the measure would have brought the most significant changes in decades to U.S. veterans' programs. For example, it called for 27 new medical facilities to help a healthcare system that is strained by veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

With Democrats pressing for passage this week, Senate Republicans, backed by their leader, Mitch McConnell, attempted to attach controversial legislation calling for possible new sanctions on Iran that President Barack Obama opposes.

"The issue of Iran sanctions ... has nothing to do with the needs of veterans."

Just another one of their traitorous obstructionism. Oh, Tifosi, get yourself a Prius. I got mine when they first hit the market in 2012, couldn't be happier with the performance. Dead soldiers for oil ~ not a good deal, I'm just sayin'.

May 26, 2014 at 8:07 a.m.
tifosi said...

Arlington National Cemetery, May 31, 1982

"The United States and the freedom for which it stands, the freedom for which they died, must endure and prosper. Their lives remind us that freedom is not bought cheaply. It has a cost; it imposes a burden. And just as they whom we commemorate were willing to sacrifice, so too must we -- in a less final, less heroic way -- be willing to give of ourselves."

President Ronald Reagan

May 26, 2014 at 8:32 a.m.
tifosi said...

wallyworld - I agree with "Dead soldiers for oil - not a good deal". But, the fact remains that our economy and just about every other nation's economy depends on oil. Whether it is to transport produce to market, transport people to work or defending the lifestyle that we so enjoy. There will be more sacrifices made by our young men and women in the future to preserve the freedoms we cherish - that depends on foreign oil. That is a weakness that others will capitalize on to cripple us for years to come. Saddam knew this.

A Prius is a move in the right direction. I also think that planting the seeds of democracy will have a lasting effect on the Middle East. While this may be a stretch - Western Europe was at war for hundreds of years until the last sixty years when democracy took root in all of Western Europe. Could this be the key to a lasting peace in the Middle East? Seeds of democracy have been planted in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe time will tell - just not in our lifetime.

I have personally pushed for motorsports to play the vital role that it always has - be a laboratory for the advancement of automotive technology. This year Audi, Porsche and Toyota will race in the 24 Hours of Le Mans with some of the most advanced diesel-hybrid technologies we have ever seen. These will eventually find their way into production. It has been that way for over 100 years. Rear view mirrors, fuel injection, disc brakes and now carbon fiber are just a few of the technologies that were developed on the race track.

May 26, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Yes, our economy used to be based on slave labor too. Times change, tifosi, get with the 21st century and help innovators to find a replacement for oil and coal instead of fighting them tooth and nail, i.e. Koch Brothers billions made off oil, so naturally they don't want us using solar, wind and wave energy.

If George Bush hadn't come along Reagan would still be the most traitorous, disastrous 'president' we've ever had. Just one example: 01 Aug 2007 'In 1982, Ronald Reagan dedicated the Space Shuttle Columbia to the resistance fighters [Taliban] in Afghanistan.' Taliban still have Reagan's Stingers --Estimate: Taliban have 50 Stingers 26 Sep 2001 One of the most dangerous weapons Western pilots could face in Afghanistan is an anti-aircraft missile provided by the United States during the Reagan presidency. Some 1,000 Stingers were supplied to the mujahideen from 1986 onwards after Ronald Reagan overcame CIA objections that they were too dangerous to be given to the rebels. MI6 used SAS troops to train the Afghans in the use of the missiles. It is not known how many Stingers were used in Afghanistan. Some of the 1,000 have turned up as far afield as Iran and Sri Lanka. His destruction of unions still on the move today, so we have low-wage, poverty-wage jobs for our middle class now. I know the republicans have tried to re-write history, but some of us know better.

May 26, 2014 at 9:04 a.m.
tifosi said...

wallyworld - you speak (type) from the vantage point of seeing these issue from the future. Easy to take cheap shots.

Critics are those that hide in the hills while the battle rages, then descend on the wounded.

It is well documented on this site how I feel about unions. Not very favorably. Surprised you would support this kind of violence.

May 26, 2014 at 9:18 a.m.

Yeah, Wally. Are you Harry Reid's son? Koch brothers, Koch brothers, blablabla. Reagan-Bush, Reagan-Bush, whatever. BO is POTUS, and he has been since he won in '08.

May 26, 2014 at 9:37 a.m.
tifosi said...

wallyworld said: "Yes, our economy used to be based on slave labor too. Times change, tifosi, get with the 21st century and help innovators to find a replacement for oil and coal instead of fighting them tooth and nail"

Did you read anything that I posted about developing new technologies??? I'm not fighting anyone "tooth and nail". I work for a company that has the largest solar park in the state. We build one of the most fuel efficient cars on the market. Better than your Prius.

http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-news/210689/volkswagen-passat-tdi-sets-world-record-for-fuel-economy.jsp

May 26, 2014 at 9:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo....do you think the constitutional authority granted to the federal government is too limiting? All liberals are not progressives but all progressives are extreme liberals.

May 26, 2014 at 11:03 a.m.
tifosi said...

All conservatives are not Klan, but all Klan are conservative.

May 26, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

All smokers are not rednecks, but all rednecks are smokers.

May 26, 2014 at 11:38 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

John King, CNN.."Forget for a moment that Republican outrage," said King on his CNN show this morning. "More and more Democrats in key 2014 races are calling for the president to get a spine, they say, and fire his Veterans Affairs secretary. And what more and more Democrats are saying privately is scathing, calling the president and his team detached, flat footed, even incompetent. Duh

May 26, 2014 at 11:39 a.m.
timbo said...

I finally figured out why liberals think that Obama is doing a good job. They do the same bad job in their lives as he does. They mismanage, lie, point fingers, and love government help.

They are just like him so they have to think he is doing great. Why else would they support him

May 26, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.
tifosi said...

Because they are better informed and educated than you.

May 26, 2014 at 12:16 p.m.

Yeah, a lot of "informed and educated" people who voted for BO were completely duped. Instead of being the crusading lefty that those people thought he was, he's turned out to be a corporate whore, liar, and an advocate for a police state. You can also toss in lazy, angry, dictatorial, a Hollywood kiss up and just a tool to raise money for the DNC.

May 26, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.

BO is good at one thing though, he's damn good at passing the buck and pointing his boney fingers at everyone.

May 26, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
tifosi said...

President Obama has been better than anything the GOP put up for nomination. The American voters even re-elected him. GOP put up some REAL losers.

Come to think of it... that makes you a loser too. LMAO!!!

May 26, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ wow, Tiffy channeling Easy.

May 26, 2014 at 2:01 p.m.
wallyworld said...

This is a letter I read today in my hometown newspaper. I am a Vietnam vet. I was drafted and sent to war. In that war I fought to survive and for the survival of my platoon. Your freedom was not on the line but my life was. You and I were pawns of the MIC. The same goes for Iraq and Afghanistan vets. I get a class news letter each year at this time and it is that letter which brings me to write this. In the class letter is all the "fight for freedom" Freedom isn't free", You owe your freedom to a vet" BS! I think that talk is more for the writer's good feelings than it is for mine. We will never really face the truth about these wars if we continue to fool ourselves and make excuses for spending billions on death and destruction so a handful of wealthy people like Dick Cheney and the Koch Brothers can grow their wealth. I really hate what this day has become. A flag waving patriot barbecue day to swill beer on what usually would be just another work day. Me I am left with my memories. I don't need any thanks.

May 26, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

... and JD makes a fine example for the GOP side.

Ever consider priesthood? You and conservative would make a fine pair.

May 26, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^ and you would link me to him, why?

May 26, 2014 at 2:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Yeah, a lot of "informed and educated" people who voted for BO were completely duped."

Not at all. If it were possible, I'd vote for the man a third time.

He's been a FINE President, as far as I'm concerned. But then, I'm not one of those people who believes my life is altered by the man who inhabits the White House.

"Instead of being the crusading lefty that those people thought he was, he's turned out to be a corporate whore, liar, and an advocate for a police state."

What a bunch of bunk. You can't even begin to back up that statement with proof. Police State? My ass.

"You can also toss in lazy, angry, dictatorial, a Hollywood kiss up and just a tool to raise money for the DNC."

As if every other politician isn't out there raising money for their chosen political party...

May 26, 2014 at 3:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

alprova,

You forgot to mention how zab is using those classic racist stereotypes with his "lazy, angry" statement. I never once heard anyone call the laziest and most angry President in American history, George W. Bush, lazy or angry. But once the mixed race guy is in office, those adjectives seemed to be automatic for some reason.

May 26, 2014 at 4:03 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ race...default response of the left.

May 26, 2014 at 4:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Also a proper response when necessary, admitted sex offender, TheJackDennis.

Racism...default thought process of the right. You can deny it all you want, but there are way too many examples of racism from the Tea Bagger, conservative mouth-breathers like yourself and others here. You're willfully ignorant to such things though. You would rather act like exposing blatant racism is, somehow, unfounded. It's the Donald Sterling way of thinking.

Give me a rational answer as to why Barack Obama is labeled "lazy" or "angry" and G. W. Bush wasn't. I bet you can't.

May 26, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.

You can tie in race all you want, easy. It says nothing about me, but everything about how you do what all libs do, which is toss out race like monkey's tossing around their poop. He is lazy, he is angry, and he is everything else I said.

You don't intimidate me in the least.

He's a stooge for the correct type of corporations, he's a fawning jackass for Hollywood. It's embarrassing.

Also, he's lawless. As are many other Dems..and even some GOP regarding illegal aliens/criminals.

May 26, 2014 at 5:15 p.m.

Who authored Obamacare? It wasn't him. He's just a demagogue spewing out some crap lefty a-holes like Axelrod write for him. Police state, you ask? Really, are you that stupid that you can't even see what's going on?

May 26, 2014 at 5:21 p.m.
tifosi said...

Funny to see wallyworld's feeble attempt at understanding a veteran on Memorial Day and thinking it represents all veterans.

May 26, 2014 at 5:43 p.m.
tifosi said...

zableedstooge said: "Also, he's lawless. As are many other Dems.."

Why doesn't anyone from the rightside of the table do something about this lawlessness??? We do have a legal system and surely all that Koch money can hire a lawyer.

Stupid is, as stupid does.

May 26, 2014 at 5:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"You can tie in race all you want, easy. It says nothing about me, but everything about how you do what all libs do, which is toss out race like monkey's tossing around their poop. He is lazy, he is angry, and he is everything else I said."

It says a lot about you whether you deny it or not. It's easy to "toss race out" when most right-wingnuts, like yourself, are so blatantly racist. And you're still using racist stereotypes to label the President. I'll let others decide whether that makes you a racist or not.

"You don't intimidate me in the least."

Are you sure about that? Why would you bring it up otherwise? I guess you needed a personal pep talk.

"He's a stooge for the correct type of corporations, he's a fawning jackass for Hollywood. It's embarrassing."

You could say what you're saying about every American President since JFK. Why all the outrage now? Why is it suddenly an "embarrassment" now?

"Also, he's lawless. As are many other Dems..and even some GOP regarding illegal aliens/criminals."

Do you really expect any thinking person to take you seriously when you type bullsh!t like this?

"Who authored Obamacare? It wasn't him."

You really have no clue about the genesis of Obamacare, do you? In 1989, The Heritage Foundation wrote the rough draft of what is now being deemed "Obamacare". Throw in a little Newt, some Orrin and a big piece of Romney while you're at it. You TeaBaggers get dumber and dumber.

"Police state, you ask? Really, are you that stupid that you can't even see what's going on?"

Is this like a teaser or are you going to actually support the horse manure you're spewing?

May 26, 2014 at 5:47 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Easy calling people stupid. Rich coming from a kid in a third tier law school.

May 26, 2014 at 6:09 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "You can tie in race all you want, easy. It says nothing about me, but everything about how you do what all libs do, which is toss out race like monkey's tossing around their poop."

If the shoe fits....

"He is lazy, he is angry, and he is everything else I said."

Proof? The man seems to be very calm to me, most every day. Lazy? What the hell do you base that on, and how is it you are in any position to know what the man does every single day?

"You don't intimidate me in the least."

You don't impress me in the least.

"He's a stooge for the correct type of corporations, he's a fawning jackass for Hollywood. It's embarrassing."

You're just jealous.

"Also, he's lawless. As are many other Dems..and even some GOP regarding illegal aliens/criminals."

You might as well strap yourself in, because you're wish for illegal immigrants will never come true. They're here, they're gonna stay, and the best thing for this nation is to legalize them, tax them, and make them legitimate members of society.

May 26, 2014 at 6:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

Alprova - My understanding is they do get taxed. Every employer is required to take out taxes. The "illegals" just never file a tax return for refunds anyone else in that bracket would be entitled to.

I may be wrong on this. Just sayin'.

May 26, 2014 at 6:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Who authored Obamacare? It wasn't him. He's just a demagogue spewing out some crap lefty a-holes like Axelrod write for him."

You're so ignorant. Every bill cites who authored it. Those who introduce it into committee are usually the ones who wrote it.

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

"Police state, you ask? Really, are you that stupid that you can't even see what's going on?"

If you truly believe what you claim, then you'll have absolutely no trouble at all illustrating how this nation is currently involved in any manner in a police state.

Hell...I'll make it easy. Give me ONE example how your freedoms have changed since Obama has been President.

May 26, 2014 at 6:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The admitted sex offender, TheJackDennis, acting like his ignorant quips are worth consideration. Very rich, indeed.

You obviously have no clue that what you're saying makes absolutely no sense.

May 26, 2014 at 6:26 p.m.
alprova said...

tifosi wrote: "Alprova - My understanding is they do get taxed. Every employer is required to take out taxes. The "illegals" just never file a tax return for refunds anyone else in that bracket would be entitled to. I may be wrong on this. Just sayin'."

I'm not sure of the percentage, but there are some who are taxed, as you state, who never file for any refunds, but there are also those who live off the grid, so to speak.

The fact that there are so many who are paying in taxes and not filing for a refund, is the very reason why the Government has taken a hands-off approach to deporting them.

The Government would lose big bucks, not only in the cost of deporting each immigrant, but tax revenue as well.

It's not rocket science, but the way some on the right whine and groan about things, they obviously don't get it.

May 26, 2014 at 6:28 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

So Easy, exactly what law school are you in?? Hmmm? Ed's Law School?

May 26, 2014 at 6:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I've already told you, admitted sex offender, TheJackDennis. If I went to Miller-Motte Law school, it would be a significant step above any collegiate institution you've ever visited in your entire life. But who am I kidding? It's not like you even have a college degree in the first place. Maybe a GED from your time as an inmate, but nothing more.

Are you stupid or illiterate? Hmmmmm? Maybe both?

Where were you incarcerated for your sex crimes? Hmmmmm? Knox County Jail?

May 26, 2014 at 6:34 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Surely you not trying to sell that Emory Law School scam.

May 26, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Surely you're not under the misconception that I give a damn what an admitted sex offender, such as yourself, thinks?

May 26, 2014 at 6:42 p.m.
tifosi said...

Apparently you do.

May 26, 2014 at 8:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Apparently, you're under a similar misonception, tifosi.

May 26, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Admit it Easy, you're a paralegal in training. At a community college.

May 26, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I'll pass, TheSexOffenderJackDennis.

May 26, 2014 at 8:54 p.m.
tifosi said...

Apparently you can't control yourself either. Don't know when to stop. ROFLMAO

May 26, 2014 at 8:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Inside jokes with yourself? Surely you can do better, Mr. Oak Ridge Lab. Who am I kidding though? You're a coward. You said you didn't want to have a discussion yesterday, remember? What happened?

:)

May 26, 2014 at 9 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Funny to see wallyworld's feeble attempt at understanding a veteran on Memorial Day and thinking it represents all veterans." - tifosi

No, unfortunately this bold and forthright letter from this particular Vietnam vet that wallyworld posted does not represent all veterans; only those with a mind capable of seeing the rot in our system and acknowledging the fact that we have a military-industrial-complex (which Eisenhower acknowledged and warned us about 60 years ago) entrenched within our government. The wars we have fought since WW2 have had nothing - NOTHING - to do with protecting our freedom but rather they have served instead to enrich the war machine and the military contractors who reap obscenely huge profits from going to war.

Instead of wrapping ourselves in the flag and getting all warm and fuzzy over the mere sight of a soldier in uniform we need to stop calling them heroes and calling them what they really are: dupes; cannon fodder for the Military-Industrial-Corporate-Complex. The truth about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has been common knowledge for a long time now - that Iraq was based on intentionally falsified information and Afghanistan was needlessly protracted overkill. Yet young recruits keep enlisting and the American public keeps going ga-ga over them, believing the lies and nonsense about how they are fighting for our "freedom." They are not fighting for our freedom, they are fighting for the illusion of an America that died a long time ago, if it ever really existed at all. Our wars are fought strictly for the enrichment of the war machine and the military contractors and others for whom war means huge profits. It is not democracy that our government is intent on spreading (we don't even have a democracy in our own country; we have an oligarchy!) but simply the capitalist manifesto, with our self interests always taking precedence over the interests of the people whose countries we invade and decimate with our troops.

It's time to stop pretending that our soldiers are noble freedom fighters. They are murderers and willful accomplices in the death and destruction of innocent people. For every known enemy our troops have killed they have killed and brutally maimed a dozen innocents (and no, "collateral damage" is not okay - not when the innocents killed far outnumber the known enemies) all in the name of "protecting our freedom." A good rule of thumb: if a country is not overtly attacking our country and if our troops cannot distinguish the "enemy" from the average citizen in the country we're invading, we have no business being there!

May 26, 2014 at 9:02 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Continued...

The bullsh#t has to stop. Just wearing a military uniform does not a hero make. We need to show more respect for the ones who are smart enough and have enough integrity to say NO to the insidious war machine. To those who served in WW2, the last war fought for real freedom, I can't thank you enough. You are/were true heroes. To those of you who fought in Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan but now have the good sense to finally realize that you had been lied to and deceived, that those wars were a complete waste of human life, and you now speak out against them, I say THANK YOU FOR DARING TO SPEAK OUT. We need more like you, with your intelligence, your guts, and your integrity. To the soldiers who still enlist and who still think that you are fighting for freedom, I can only say...I'm truly sorry that you don't have the good sense to see through the lies and the BS. I'm truly sorry that you let a false patriotism obscure the truth of what this nation has come to stand for. When you sign the dotted line to join the military you are willingly handing over your very soul to the war machine. You are agreeing to say yes, without question, to every order given to you. So you had better be damned certain that the people you are going to be killing will rest easy on your conscience for the rest of your life.

May 26, 2014 at 9:04 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

you're one too! Am not! Are too! Am not! ad nauseum...children, give it a break

May 26, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.
tifosi said...

So Rickarooty thinks American war veterans have a rotted mind if they don't see it his way. Nice. Really nice.

I had the honor of serving side-by-side with many Vietnam vets. One in my platoon had his legs racked with scars when a mine exploded. For some reason he saw fit to keep re-enlisting. Another vet I know served three tours in Vietnam as Marine Corp tunnel rat. So many Vietnam vets just kept re-enlisting. For what? Must have been Rickaroo-brain rot.

What the f*ck does Ricky know about veterans? Nothing. He just wants to take the easy ride on other's shoulders. Enjoy that freedom Rickyboy.

May 26, 2014 at 9:21 p.m.
tifosi said...

I will pay a thousand dollars to Rickaroo to say what he just said to an American war vet of my choosing. He is a chickensh*t hiding behind a keyboard and anonymously posting. Put your real name behind it in a letter to the editor Rickarooty. Use your First Amendment boy.

May 26, 2014 at 9:46 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I am extremely grateful to the soldiers who truly made a difference, those who fought in WW2. If you think that fighting in Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan were necessary to ensure our freedom, well, I'm really sorry you're so dumb that you can't see what a disgraceful waste of human life those wars have been, not only for our own dead and wounded soldiers but for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed in the countries we needlessly invaded. Enjoy your delusion.

May 26, 2014 at 9:46 p.m.
tifosi said...

I challenged you. Put up or shut up whiney boy.

May 26, 2014 at 9:47 p.m.
alprova said...

tifosi, I understand that Rickaroo's words are rather sharp, but he does make a good point.

The drive to canonize those who serve in the military is exactly what the military establishment wants all Americans to do and to feel.

Perhaps if I soften the tone a little, there can be found some common ground.

Without any political distinction attached, our Government is responsible for sticking the nose of every single American into things we have no responsibility to enter into, and many of our men and women have paid the price for it.

Granted, those serving in today's military are volunteers, but many of those were lured in by the benefits offered for serving, not realizing that they may not live long enough to collect those benefits, and don't think for a second that the Government has the intention of serving up benefits to each and every troop who serves.

I don't think there is one man alive in this nation, who would not defend our borders willingly and honorably. However, how many of those who are now dead would have made the same choice, if their future were known to them?

I have nothing but the highest respect for anyone who has served in the military, and I know dozens of people personally who have, but many of these people realize that the Gov't used them as pawns in their own private chess games of life.

The way of life we have here in the United States does not work everywhere, because others have been conditioned to live without Democracy.

Hell...we're not a Democracy. We still have way too many differences between ourselves to begin to know how to tell others how to live their lives.

Memorial Day to me, takes on a different distinction. Yes, I've had two close relatives killed in battle, but I've got a ton of other people who were in my life, whom I try to take the day to remember as well.

Minds do need to be changed regarding the way we glorify anyone sent into battle. It's as barbaric as it ever has been, and it does indeed need to stop.

May 26, 2014 at 10:05 p.m.
alprova said...

tifosi, I lost two Uncles in Vietnam. I watched my Grandfather grieve for the next 40 years until he took his own life. He was never the same after their deaths.

You can't have served in that conflict and not understand why there are people who were totally against it.

That conflict was one that the United States had absolutely no business sending 57,000 Americans to their deaths. The nation of North Vietnam was no threat to this nation.

For sure, you've seen an aspect of things that I have not, but we both are forever hurt by the losses we suffered.

I blame those in power in Washington for all that happened back then. I do not blame those who were enlisted to do our Government's bidding. It was wrong back then, and it was wrong most recently as well.

Our military should be used to defend THIS nation and to stand up for those whom we consider to be our allies.

We had no allies in Iraq or Afghanistan, and we sure don't today.

As far as I know, Vietnam has ironed out their problems, for I don't read of any issues between the two nations these days, so maybe there has been good that has been done, but in retrospect, I still believe we should have stayed out of it.

May 26, 2014 at 10:19 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Viet Nam.^^ what 2 nations?

May 26, 2014 at 10:25 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

So Roo, I guess you wouldn't be for to a game of Call to Duty: Black Ops, huh?

May 26, 2014 at 10:27 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Tifosi...

I have written several letters to the editor on various topics and I have revealed my full name on this forum a couple of times before. My name is Rick Armstrong. I don't hide behind anything. I have spoken my mind about the war to Vietnam vets before and one got so mad, he was practically foaming at the mouth. He called me every name in the book and obviously wanted to kill me. For the next couple of days I honestly thought he was going to come after me with a shotgun. He threatened to.

The Vietnam war was over a long time ago but I know that the gung-ho, macho vets who fought in it and still defend it as being the patriotic thing to do viscerally hate people like me who protested it (I was too young to be drafted in its early stages and when I was old enough to be drafted I was never called, as it was beginning to wind down. And I had sense enough to see what a f#cked-up, insane war it was, so I was not about to enlist. I protested and spoke out against it with every fiber of my being, prepared to go to prison if drafted, and I would take the same stand against it again. History has validated the fact that it was a totally useless, dishonorable, unjustified war. It was outright genocide at the hands of American soldiers).

No, bubba, I'm not going to take you up on your offer to confront a Vietnam vet of your choosing, because I know how batsh#t crazy most Viet vets are. I value my life too much. They have a chip on their shoulders as big as a Frisbee and somebody dare talk to them about how wrong that war was and they'd just as soon slit your throat as look at you. If I were younger and stronger, like I was the last time I confronted a Vietnam vet, I might be brazen enough to take you up on your offer. But not now. Whenever I am in a situation and the topic comes up I don't hesitate to speak my mind, regardless of whether Vietnam vets or gung-ho patriotic types are around. But I'm not going to go out of my way to confront macho military vets who so thoroughly despise old hippies like me.

Look, I know you're proud of your service and you like to think that what you did protected our freedom and kept America safe from Communism and all that. But plenty of vets wised up and got what it was really all about and they came home to speak out against that insane war. I respect those who did. I'm truly sorry that you still suffer from the delusion that the war was worth it, when it clearly was not. It was a stupid needless dishonorable war, period. You can either face the truth of that, or keep living in your illusory patriotic bubble. I know you're not about to see it any other way, so, like I said before...enjoy your delusion.

May 26, 2014 at 10:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo...you and Jane Fonda. What makes you such an expert on Vietnam? Are you among those that will at some point say 9/11 did not happen? What would you have done?

May 26, 2014 at 11:38 p.m.

What is the value of citizenship if illegal aliens are treated as special. This is not simply about letting them in and making them citizens so they can pay taxes, it's about pandering to them, and elevating them over citizens in many ways. This is about votes and power. That's it. Whether it's a dumb as Republican, like Jeb Bush, or an a-hole like Harry Reid, it's all about pandering to them. I find it especially offensive on Memorial Day that this is the way it is in this country. We go and fight all over the place, but don't give a rat's ass about our own borders. Being a citizen used to be a big deal, something special, but BO and his dick of an AG will only enforce the laws that benifit the DNC, certain corporations and the US Chamber of commerce. What an absolute turd of a POTUS we have. We have a congressman, Louis Guitierez, who openly calls for the laws to not be enforced until illegal aliens get what they want.

May 26, 2014 at 11:41 p.m.
fairmon said...

The next false scandal.... the Department of Health and Human Services announced it would offer financial assistance to certain insurers who've suffered losses because of Obamacare. The goal is to keep premiums from rising in an election year, the Times reported.

May 26, 2014 at 11:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

Bumbling and fumbling continues.....

The White House exposed the name of the CIA's top spy in Kabul, Afghanistan on Saturday when it gave the press a list of U.S. officials participating in President Barack Obama's surprise visit to the troops. According to The Washington Post, the White House released a new list without the name after their reporter raised questions about whether the inclusion was intended.

May 26, 2014 at 11:55 p.m.

Bumbling..stumbling..fumbling!!

May 26, 2014 at 11:58 p.m.
alprova said...

It sure is funny, and I remember this very well...

When the Republican Administration "accidentally" outed Valerie Plame, where was all that right-wing outrage?

This one does appear to have been innocent and accidental, but that's not going to stop the conspiracy brigade from marching forward and bitching about it for the next three years...and beyond.

May 27, 2014 at 12:14 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^ and bitch they should. Valerie Plame was nothing but a glorified desk jockey.

May 27, 2014 at 9:08 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, all but said on Sunday that negotiations over the country’s illicit nuclear program are over and that the Islamic Republic’s ideals include destroying America.

But wait, it gets better The State Dept announced that $1billion was released to Iran in April. Splendid work, guys.

May 27, 2014 at 10:12 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

I blame it all on Benghazi...or Obamacare. Take your pick.

May 27, 2014 at 12:30 p.m.

You would either have to be mentally ill, and a-hole, paid to do so, or masochist to vote for BO for a third time.

Exactly, Jack, that's an example of BO's vision for this country.

Lazy, lazy thinking,irresponsible, jackass, putz who hasn't a clue about what's going on in the world.

May 27, 2014 at 12:52 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Talk about a twisted logic and selfish values for zablezeefister to ask, "What is the value of citizenship if illegal aliens are treated as special?" You tell us zablezeduckster, what is the value of citizenship?

I thought citizenship was of intrinsic value for the rights it offers its citizens and residents, not who comes in the front door. I suspect you did not "earn" your citizenship, you probably were just born here. If every "illegal" alien in the country was willing to uphold the country's objectives and laws what would it matter if we declared them all citizens of our republic, we would all still have the same inalienable rights, etc, etc guaranteed by our constitution?

Go figure it out.

May 27, 2014 at 1:34 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

I would propose a moratorium on all immigration for a year or 2. Include student visas. I'm sure all will agree.

May 27, 2014 at 1:41 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

The President was briefed on Afghan matters prior to his speech. https://twitter.com/baileyjer/status/471345854826414080/photo/1

May 27, 2014 at 1:48 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Rickaroo...you and Jane Fonda." - fairmon

Yeah, what about Jane Fonda? I have the utmost respect for her. No one has been more maligned and unjustly accused than she. All she was doing was telling the truth about what was going on, about how our government was lying in order to perpetuate the war. She actually respected our troops and everything she did was so that they might make an informed decision about what they were supposedly fighting for.

She apologized for the incident where her photo was taken sitting on the anti-aircraft gun, saying that she had gotten caught up in the frenzy of the moment and did not realize the impact that it would have. She, like most Americans who protested the war back then, did not view the North Vietnamese as "the enemy." They were the enemy only because the American government said so and our troops were there, occupying and decimating their land, not allowing them to determine their own form of government. Most of the Vietnam war vets who have acknowledged that the war was totally unjustified have come to embrace Ms. Fonda as a courageous and outspoken activist who did her part to try to end the stupid war. The ones who still despise her are those hard-core, America-right-or-wrong vets who have refused to accept the cold hard truth about the war and like to cling to the false notion that they were keeping America free and safe from Communism and all that crock o' sh#t.

May 27, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

You've been making a smidge of sense recently, Roo. Up to the Fonda post.

May 27, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.

inq. what the hell are you talking about? Immigrants are not the issue, illegal aliens are. That's what you libs do, you blur the issue. First you come in the correct/lawful way, then you earn citizenship. That's how it works. What you libs and politicos like Jeb Bush, BO and Reid, are trying to do is break the law and elevate one group over others so they can gain from it. It's never ok to do that and it's a slap in the fact to all those, millions, who came here the lawful way and earned their citizenship the proper way.

Liberalism is disease. It's devoid of logic, history, common sense and facts. Everyone from anywhere is welcome here if they come here the right way, period. You libs twist and contort things, and gray them, until you cause chaos.

Jane FondaLOL is nothing but an opportunist, and a traitor.

May 27, 2014 at 2:58 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Nothing nonsensical about what I said there, JD. She did indeed speak the truth. You can either accept it, or not. Our government flat-out lied to us and all she was doing was telling it like it was. If you are buying into the revisionist history that all Vietnam war vets are honorable and courageous while all protesters were cowardly, anti-patriotic bums, well, you need to stop drinking the revisionist Kool-Aid and refresh your memory with how things really were back then. Protests and riots grew in size and number, with hundreds of thousands joining in and the vast majority of Americans calling for and end to the war. And many soldiers were coming home, attesting to the atrocities and joining in the protests. Jane Fonda was only one of many celebrities and well-known people taking a stand against the war. She happened to use her celebrity status to its full advantage. Nothing wrong with that.

So many Americans today seem too willing to stick their heads in the sand and forget or else deny outright the degree of polarization and antagonism that existed among friends, families, and co-workers back then, how close this nation was to a full-blown revolution. And today too many people too easily wrap themselves in the flag and glorify war and the military for its own sake. To say that you "support the troops but oppose the war" is BS. Especially when the wars we engage in today are fought with an all-volunteer army. The soldiers have made a conscious decision to become accomplices in the murder of innocent people in the lands that we occupy. When you freely join up to become a willing cog in the war machine, in a war that is wrong and immoral to begin with, you are just as wrong and immoral as the war itself.

May 27, 2014 at 3:10 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Jane FondaLOL is nothing but an opportunist, and a traitor." - zableed

Spoken like a true unthinking, flag-waving, Bible-thumping, God-is-always-on-our-side, America-right-or-wrong, damn-the-dark-skinned-inferior-people, bomb-the-hell-out-of-em patriot. If you represent what patriotism is all about, then I gladly reject it. You so-called patriots are not patriots, you're nationalists, pure and simple. I take no part in anything that requires blind allegiance, whether it be to country or religion.

May 27, 2014 at 3:30 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Roo, No one is revising history. VietNam sucked. But Fonda had no bidness going to N. VietNam and promoting their cause while we had brave lads dying. Way beyond bad form. She went way beyond "taking a stand against the war". In fact, she and her ilk of the day were primary causes of our guys being pissed on, spat on, etc. when they returned home. And no doubt exacerbating their PTSD, etc...You're way over the line on this one.

May 27, 2014 at 3:31 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Roo says (from his moral podium) "Spoken like a true unthinking, flag-waving, Bible-thumping, God-is-always-on-our-side, America-right-or-wrong, damn-the-dark-skinned-inferior-people, bomb-the-hell-out-of-em patriot." you think that's fair, Roo?

May 27, 2014 at 3:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Who is "her ilk of the day?" Anyone who protested the war? People have said the same thing about the protesters, of whom I was one - that we were the reasons our troops lost the war, or that our soldiers got PTSD or were spit upon (that is a deeply exaggerated myth, btw. And even if true, I can't tell you the number of times I got spit upon, cussed, and on one occasion even beaten up, for wearing my hair long and looking like a hippie). Nah...she did not go over the top and I am not way over the line. You want to know what was way over the line? The hundreds of thousands of totally innocent men, women, and children who were brutally killed, Napalmed, and permanently maimed at the hands of our "heroic" troops. THAT, sir, was way, way, way over the line.

May 27, 2014 at 4:05 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

As for your last comment...yes, that is totally fair. Unfortunately I know too many good ol' boy Americans with precisely that attitude.

May 27, 2014 at 4:24 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

zabbledeefiskeruski, call them what you may, the same point remains. So what if they get citizenship? It does not diminish the value or citizenship and any perceived loss is just greed or ego-inspired, some how if someone gets something for less than you paid for it, it is a gyp. By the way, how much did you pay for citizenship?

So much for that inscription on the Statue of "Liberty" (sic).

May 27, 2014 at 4:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Rickaroo...you're on a roll this week.

Your post on Jane Fonda deserves to be printed and framed.

No American, with the exception of Barack Obama, has never been as maligned as she has been.

Sticking to the truth and the facts is never on the minds of those who blindly hate. They must create or repeat lies.

May 27, 2014 at 7:13 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

<<<< Alpo says to Roo: "Your post on Jane Fonda deserves to be printed and framed." And hung over urinals.

May 27, 2014 at 8:32 p.m.
alprova said...

The funny thing is, Jane Fonda, regardless of how she may be viewed by some, will always be more popular, not to mention more famous than those who hate her.

She will always be wealthy as well.

In other words, I'm sure she's not sweating very much over those who ignorantly hate her based on a set of disprovable lies.

May 27, 2014 at 9:53 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ So WTF is your point. She's wealthy and famous. so no one should criticize her?

May 27, 2014 at 10:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

When the Republican Administration "accidentally" outed Valerie Plame, where was all that right-wing outrage?

This one does appear to have been innocent and accidental, but that's not going to stop the conspiracy brigade from marching forward and bitching about it for the next three years...and beyond.

So, WRONG+WRONG=RIGHT? Yep, another accidental, unintended screw up on the part of those selected for key positions. Scoter Libby went to jail over the Valerie P. issue, who will do the same in this screw up?

May 27, 2014 at 11:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

The funny thing is, Jane Fonda, regardless of how she may be viewed by some, will always be more popular, not to mention more famous than those who hate her.

There is nothing humorous about it. Her comments and the photos are not unproven lies. She should have been charged with treason. The U.S. should or should not have been there is a separate issue. It is obvious you and roo were not there.

May 27, 2014 at 11:57 p.m.
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