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Occupt protestors are making a very valid point moreso than when the "Teabaggers" did theirs.
Ivyman4, maybe I missed something, but I don't remember the tea-baggers erecting tent cities on public property, and creating massive debt for the taxpayers in cleanup fees and extra security. I'm not a tea-bagger, but comparing this nationwide "woodstock" movement to the tea-baggers exposes your narrow-view of politics as a whole. The majority of the OWS crowd doesn't even know WHY they are there. It's become a big, expensive joke.
Gator, you are in fact missing something. A lot of something. Not one dime has been spent by the taxpayers in this city/county for cleanup or security, as we are providing all of that ourselves. As you obviously do not know your history, allow me to inform you that this is not the first time that constitutionally protected free speech has taken the form of "sitting-in" or otherwise taking a very literal stand. And please tell me why anyone would make the sacrifices that Occupiers are making if it was just for kicks? This is about restoring the American dream--YOUR American dream--that is based on fair play, something every school child understands. Tea Partiers were expressing justifiable rage against our corrupt system, but it is my belief that most of them did not understand the underlying causes of our ills, making them vulnerable to the divide-and-conquer tactics of the very people behind our crises in the first place. Financial interests cannot continue to be permitted to highjack our democratic system of government to the detriment of those who pay the bills--the workers. We must unite in a common struggle to restore true representative government to our nation and get the corrupting influence of corporate money out of government at all levels. Government can be a force for good that provides a counterbalance to corporate greed, and we've tried making that happen through the ballot box and through other forms of activism. Wall Street has shown that its power is larger than the vote. Therefore, we must put our bodies on the line en masse to demand change. It is the only means we have left of having a voice.
Please look at this article and let me know if it changes your mind. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/133969768.html
There are always costs when you have a large group of unruly people.
I don't think that the point of a "protest" is to be as low-profile as you possibly can so that no one will notice you or listen to your message. Just saying.
The Occupy Protesters in many cities have been arrested for crimes such as arson, assault and many more crimes. These so-called protesters are stupid. Judges are taking the protesters side and not properly upholding the laws that applies to people in this country.
Occupy Protesters are disgrace to this country.
A few need to go take a bath!
well, if they are stupid and need baths and have been arrested in many cities for many more crimes then of course I'd like to go back and change my vote. They look so nice and peaceful in their little tents when I drive by - I had no idea.
FlyingPurple: the majority of those costs was because of the local gov't sending the police force out to the encampment to cause disturbances. They have to pay the uniformed officers and the plain-clothed ones they planted within the protest. Also, they have to fund the resources they use such as tear gas and rubber bullets. Those things are not free, but the local gov't decided they were wise investments. Your argument holds little water. The occupiers, as a whole, don't want to destroy anything. Of course there will be those that decide to join just to stir trouble, but the organism that we have become is constantly working to remove those infections.
As far as the ones downtown, we haven't had a single city worker even pick up a cigarette butt. In fact, you can go by there right now and see that we even let them go about their business as usual setting up the city Christmas decor that YOUR tax dollars paid for. Also, did you know that YOUR tax dollars are paying for the guard that stays there through the night and for all of the lights, inside and out, to stay on 24/7?
If anything, we've saved money since we are taking careful care of the lawn we are on as much as possible.
Glacier: I actually did take a bath today. And yesterday. And the day before. So has just about everyone else. We are not an unclean group. Yes, there are a few that spend more time on site than the others, but we take care of them, too, and get them showers if they live too far away.
As a whole, I would encourage you all to come to the site and have a conversation with any of us or even attend one of the General Assemblies that we hold every night at 7. See what we are about and see that we all have our stories and come from different backgrounds. Most of us work or belong to families that do. Some of us go to school. Those of us with families rotate which spouse is on site.
I think the Occupy movement is fantastic and I am very happy that Occupy Chattanooga isn't being forced to relocate. As U.S. citizens we have the right to free assembly. Any violence in other Occupy protests across the country have been instigated mostly by police and the respective mayors of those cities. There's a reason OWS was kicked out of the park in the middle of the night and their was a MSM blackout: the mayor and NYPD didn't want the MSM to capture the NYPD on film. They wanted to be able to spin the facts however they wished. Thank goodness for things like Twitter and Youtube or else those tactics would work to keep the facts from being known.
It's time that corporations and the top 1% pay higher taxes. The majority of large corporations avoid paying taxes altogether because of loopholes like producing a product in another country. Maybe if we taxed that, they would start producing product here and they'd actually be the job creators that the GOP worships them as. The minimum wage should be increased so people don't have to work 70-80 hours a week just to be able to keep their head above water. The American dream never really existed (Boomers need to realize that their childhood was abnormal in respect to the economy) and I'm not naive enough to think we'll ever reach a point in which it is possible in my lifetime, but something needs to be done about economic mobility. You can't live on the wages from one minimum wage job because it doesn't pay enough and most of them won't even hire you full time so you get enough hours. There is a lot more I want to say and I could write several thousand words on the subject, but I think that's a bit much for this little comment box. I will say to anyone who thinks that Occupiers should just get a job: many of them already do and if they don't, here is a quote from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia about the phrase "get a job."
"Oh get a job. Just get a job. Why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into Jobland where jobs grow on jobies?!"
I think your post is terrific canyonoflight.
Might I suggest to all the negative votes and commentors that you all take the time to completely understand and learn about this movement...BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY!
Please understand that these people are out there and they are there for all of us. Unless, of course, you're part of that 1%. Although I would venture a guess to say many of them would be sympathetic to the movement. WHat Occupy is all about is corporate greed, and how it is wrecking this country!
The movement is growing, and galvanizing. Whenever a police officer peppersprays someone, or beats them with a baton, FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN WANTING TO EXERCISE THEIR 1st AMENDMENT RIGHTS, they strengthen the movement! Period!
People should understand that most of the Occupiers HAVE JOBS, and contrary to the rhetoric spread by the right, most of them DO take baths. Many of them are parents, and like most of us want to see our children have it better than we do.
The thing that many should find scary is that with Congress not doing anything to put our country back on it's feet this movement will continue to grow. The US is damn ear at "Critical Mass." It will get ugly before long. People are very angry, and not everyone is going to "turn the other cheek" on the police brutality.
If this explodes in the faces of those using these tactics, it will make the first Civil War seem like a walk in the park.