"Al and Easy, you need to accept the fact there is no right to vote."
You need to accept that fact that you're still wrong.
"but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote"
And the Amendments mentioned above keep states from disqualifying the overwhelming majority of people. Thus, you've just confirmed my point.
That quote from the Bush v. Gore decision is incomplete and misleading. Here is the full quote:
"The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College."
You've just provided two great examples that affirm the fact that there is a right to vote.
"Nice try Easy. Earlier you were saying people had the right to vote. Why don't you show me where it says in the Bill of Rights or the entire Constitution where you have the right to vote."
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 2:
"But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."
Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 1:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."
Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 1:
"The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."
"Nice try Easy. Earlier you were saying people had the right to vote."
I never once said "people had the right to vote", liar.
Would you like to try one more time? You're fading fast.
"Easy, if voting is a right then why was Jessie Jackson Jr. in 2005 trying to A Proposed Amendment to Establish a Constitutional Right to Vote in America?"
Because there isn't a specific Amendment that explicitly ensures the right to vote. It is implicit throughout the Amendments I mentioned above though.
The fact that you are a "trough-pig" and you have the audacity to refer to anyone else by that name is highly ironic.
You feed from the public trough. When you refer to anyone else as a "trough-pig", waddle your little pork cutlets over to a mirror and oink till you puke.
Come to think of it, I thought I smelled bacon after a few of those "bitch-slaps" and now I know why. Come back for more if you're feeling porky, you geriatric, "47 percent" "taker".
"Felons did not lose their right to vote because no one has the right to vote in a federal election as along as the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments are not violated."
You're wrong. It's that simple.
"So you are admitting there are some felons, which include those who are out of prison that will never be re-established to vote?"
When did I ever deny that? You simply don't understand that that fact is absolutely irrelevant to your claim that no one has the right to vote in a federal election.
Losing your rights is built in to being a felon. Once you are convicted of a felony, you give up most of you rights. The fact you are trying to push as proof of your claim does not serve as any sort of affirmation whatsoever.
American citizens over the age of 18 do, in fact, have a right to vote in Federal, State and local elections.
"Easy, there are convicted felons in Tennessee who are out of prison that were convicted of murder, and rape and that have not done lengthy prison sentences and they will never have their rights to vote reinstated to vote in a Federal Election unless the State of Tennessee changes the law."
And? You just said it yourself: "rights to vote". Is voting a right or not? Your whole felony argument was used to support your "you don't have a right to vote" claim. Yet, you just contradicted yourself with your own words.
No one is denying the fact that some felons cannot vote ever again.
"States can impose restrictions and not allow people to vote in Federal Elections as long as they do not violate the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments."
Name one such restriction that falls outside of those Amendments. Your felony example doesn't exactly count since felons lose nearly all their Constitutional rights once they are convicted and some are never "returned" to them after their incarceration is over.
"These restrictions can be temporary where felons can apply to have their rights restored after completing their full sentence, to not having their rights restored at all even after they have completed there full sentence."
Felons lose a lot of rights during and after they are incarcerated. Why do you feel that this proves your point that you don't have a right to vote? Felons losing the right to vote is one of many rights they lose. If you don't have a right to vote, then what rights are being restored?
How does a felon lose the right to vote when, according to you, they never had that right in the first place?
"You should have learned this in your Constitutional Law class but I have to question if you really are attending Law School or are you just that arrogant that you can not admit when you are wrong."
Learned what? That some felons aren't allowed to vote ever again? I knew that already. I haven't disputed that irrelevant fact. I'm simply stating that that fact doesn't prove your claim that people do not have a right to vote.
Also, I wasn't wrong about anything. You are the one that is wrong and, apparently, confused. I have to question if you're really capable of understanding very simple, concise statements or are you arrogant, idiotic enough to believe some felons losing their right to vote somehow proves your point that you do not have a right to vote?
You've referred to the "right to vote" several times in this post alone. So which is it? Is it a right or not? Do felons lose that right or not?
"My comment that you do not have a right to vote in a Federal Election, is in fact correct and your response "Yes, you do. Felons can be re-enfranchised, is in fact incorrect."
The Monster
rick1,
"Al and Easy, you need to accept the fact there is no right to vote."
You need to accept that fact that you're still wrong.
"but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote"
And the Amendments mentioned above keep states from disqualifying the overwhelming majority of people. Thus, you've just confirmed my point.
That quote from the Bush v. Gore decision is incomplete and misleading. Here is the full quote:
"The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College."
You've just provided two great examples that affirm the fact that there is a right to vote.
The Monster
rick1,
"Nice try Easy. Earlier you were saying people had the right to vote. Why don't you show me where it says in the Bill of Rights or the entire Constitution where you have the right to vote."
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 2:
"But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."
Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 1:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."
Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Section 1:
"The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."
"Nice try Easy. Earlier you were saying people had the right to vote."
I never once said "people had the right to vote", liar.
Would you like to try one more time? You're fading fast.
The Monster
PlainJackoff,
"Hey Easy-punk. Name that law school!"
Hey PlainMoron. Name that school!
You never told me what fine institution you received your "degree" from. That was the deal, remember?
LMFAO! Still waiting, you geriatric putz.
The Monster
rick1,
"Easy, if voting is a right then why was Jessie Jackson Jr. in 2005 trying to A Proposed Amendment to Establish a Constitutional Right to Vote in America?"
Because there isn't a specific Amendment that explicitly ensures the right to vote. It is implicit throughout the Amendments I mentioned above though.
Anything else?
The Monster
PlainJackoff,
The fact that you are a "trough-pig" and you have the audacity to refer to anyone else by that name is highly ironic.
You feed from the public trough. When you refer to anyone else as a "trough-pig", waddle your little pork cutlets over to a mirror and oink till you puke.
Come to think of it, I thought I smelled bacon after a few of those "bitch-slaps" and now I know why. Come back for more if you're feeling porky, you geriatric, "47 percent" "taker".
The Monster
rick1,
"Felons did not lose their right to vote because no one has the right to vote in a federal election as along as the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments are not violated."
You're wrong. It's that simple.
"So you are admitting there are some felons, which include those who are out of prison that will never be re-established to vote?"
When did I ever deny that? You simply don't understand that that fact is absolutely irrelevant to your claim that no one has the right to vote in a federal election.
Losing your rights is built in to being a felon. Once you are convicted of a felony, you give up most of you rights. The fact you are trying to push as proof of your claim does not serve as any sort of affirmation whatsoever.
American citizens over the age of 18 do, in fact, have a right to vote in Federal, State and local elections.
The Monster
PlainJackoff,
"Rick1: I would go with arrogance first, then the mythical law school."
Your jealousy amuses me.
The Monster
rick1,
"Easy, there are convicted felons in Tennessee who are out of prison that were convicted of murder, and rape and that have not done lengthy prison sentences and they will never have their rights to vote reinstated to vote in a Federal Election unless the State of Tennessee changes the law."
And? You just said it yourself: "rights to vote". Is voting a right or not? Your whole felony argument was used to support your "you don't have a right to vote" claim. Yet, you just contradicted yourself with your own words.
No one is denying the fact that some felons cannot vote ever again.
"States can impose restrictions and not allow people to vote in Federal Elections as long as they do not violate the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments."
Name one such restriction that falls outside of those Amendments. Your felony example doesn't exactly count since felons lose nearly all their Constitutional rights once they are convicted and some are never "returned" to them after their incarceration is over.
"These restrictions can be temporary where felons can apply to have their rights restored after completing their full sentence, to not having their rights restored at all even after they have completed there full sentence."
Felons lose a lot of rights during and after they are incarcerated. Why do you feel that this proves your point that you don't have a right to vote? Felons losing the right to vote is one of many rights they lose. If you don't have a right to vote, then what rights are being restored?
How does a felon lose the right to vote when, according to you, they never had that right in the first place?
"You should have learned this in your Constitutional Law class but I have to question if you really are attending Law School or are you just that arrogant that you can not admit when you are wrong."
Learned what? That some felons aren't allowed to vote ever again? I knew that already. I haven't disputed that irrelevant fact. I'm simply stating that that fact doesn't prove your claim that people do not have a right to vote.
Also, I wasn't wrong about anything. You are the one that is wrong and, apparently, confused. I have to question if you're really capable of understanding very simple, concise statements or are you arrogant, idiotic enough to believe some felons losing their right to vote somehow proves your point that you do not have a right to vote?
You've referred to the "right to vote" several times in this post alone. So which is it? Is it a right or not? Do felons lose that right or not?
The Monster
jt6_quoque,
"Now you’ve just slipped into just being silly and it’s the point that adults tell the children to go out and play."
I would say the same to you, but that would be an insult to most children.
"Go out and play."
Your rebuttal is severely lacking.
The Monster
rick1,
"My comment that you do not have a right to vote in a Federal Election, is in fact correct and your response "Yes, you do. Felons can be re-enfranchised, is in fact incorrect."
You're still wrong. I've already explained why.