"Alprova, You quoting Scripture is empty and useless. You don't believe a word of it, but you attempt to make it say what you think it says." - caddy
Every person alive who goes around babbling scripture attempts to make it say what they think it says. It's funny how every Christian thinks that Jesus is exactly the kind of person that befits their personality and that God is exactly the kind of God they want to rule over the world, be he militant and vindictive or loving and compassionate. Conservatives find evidence in the Bible to believe in a conservative minded God and Jesus, and liberals find enough evidence to believe in a liberal minded God and Jesus. Far from being the inerrant word of God, the Bible is so contradictory and nonsensical as to be useless as a moral guide or a blueprint for living. What few words of true wisdom exist in the Bible could be pared down to one brief chapter and all the rest discarded as garbage.
"Why is it you libs hate on opposing points of view. Funny. Sad, really." - JD
I always get a kick out of you guys who accuse us libs of name-calling, being opinionated, or "hating on opposing points of view," when you do the exact same thing yourselves. JD, a liberal could say that the sky is blue and you would find something to ridicule about what he/she said. Your antipathy for liberals is well known. For you to make a comment like you just made...man, what a joke. But then, I guess unoriginality and a penchant for saying stupid things is a natural outcome of one whose primary purpose in life revolves around staying glued to this forum all day long, each and every day of his life. Funny. Sad, really.
JD, compared to our national homicide or assault-and-battery rate, the number of killings and violent acts committed by anti-abortionists against abortion providers might seem few. But even one such act committed against someone who is performing a perfectly legal act is too much. Four doctors and four abortion workers killed is nothing to sneeze at. Nor are the more than 100 assault cases. And I reiterate: there have been NO cases of pro-choice people committing acts of violence against anti-abortionists. You say we guys are screwy but the ones who are screwy, not to mention cruel and downright psycho, are the self-righteous holy-rolling fanatics who think they are carrying out God's work. And then, there are plenty of anti-abortionists who silently condone the killing and the violence committed by the more lunatic fringe of zealots.
The doctors and medical professionals and assistants who volunteered for this project deserve high praise. But what a sad commentary on the U.S., that a country as rich as ours should have to resort to such extreme measures to treat the tens of millions of Americans (even after Obamacare has become law) who cannot afford or who otherwise cannot access regular health care. Virtually every other industrialized nation on the planet has the good sense and the decency to realize that access to adequate health care is a right, not a privilege reserved only for those who can afford it or are lucky enough to get it.
MickeyRat, point taken. They are hypocritical indeed. I always shake my head in disgust when I hear them call themselves "pro-lifers." And yes, even "anti-abortionist" is perhaps too mild a term for them. They are the Christian Taliban of the U.S.
"How many pro lifers do you know that have murdered pro choicers?" - JD
In the U.S. there have been 4 doctors, 2 clinic employees, one abortion clinic security guard, and one clinic escort killed by "pro-lifers." In addition there have been at least 17 attempted murders, over 300 death threats, well over 100 incidents of assault and battery, and 3 kidnappings committed by "pro-lifers" against abortion providers. I have yet to hear of any violence or even threats of violence whatsoever committed by pro-choice people against "pro-lifers."
Note: I put "pro-lifers" in quotation marks because they are such effin' hypocrites and not worthy of the label of pro-life. To say that they are pro-zygote/pro-embryo/pro-fetus would be more accurate.
"Anyone considering an abortion should make up their mind VERY early in the pregnancy, in order to spare a fetus any chance of suffering any ill effects of a termination." - alprova
Al, the vast majority of women DO make up their mind VERY early. 90% of all abortions in the U.S. take place in the first trimester. 7% -8% take place in the second trimester. No woman waits until she is in her third trimester to decide that a baby is merely an inconvenience and so she wants a late-term abortion. If a woman seeks an abortion that late in her pregnancy it is almost always, always due to the fact that she NEEDS an abortion due to issues of her own health or that of the fetus. However, the laws have become so strict in many states and the number of abortion clinics have been so drastically reduced that poorer women have had to postpone getting an abortion until they can scrape up the money for travel expenses to go to the nearest abortion clinic, oftentimes several hundred miles away. The repressive laws that the anti-abortionist fanatics have managed to get passed over the past few years have only made it more difficult for women to get an abortion early on, or at any stage, for that matter.
Cait48 is exactly right.
Even the most ardent of us pro-choicers concur that a woman in her third trimester of pregnancy, the stage at which a fetus is capable of living on its own outside the womb, should have certain limitations placed on getting an abortion. And those limits are already in place! In the first place there is no woman in her third trimester who simply decides that far along that she doesn't want to become a mother for fear of inconveniencing her lifestyle. Virtually every woman in need of an abortion that far into her pregnancy actually WANTS to give birth but she is considering an abortion precisely because she NEEDS one due strictly to medical issues involving her life/health or that of the fetus. And barely one percent of all abortions in the U.S. are performed in the third trimester.
There is an excellent documentary on the few remaining doctors (only 4 in the entire country) who perform late-term abortions and everyone should watch it. It is called "After Tiller" and is available on Netflix streaming. They are not "murderers," as the anti-abortionist zealots like to call them; they are brave, conscientious doctors who face death threats, abuse, and ridicule every day of their lives, working with women and helping them decide what is best for them and their unborn child. It is that grey area of life that they deal with on a daily basis, and the rabid anti-abortionists are incapable of dealing with that grey area. They try to reduce everything to a matter of black/white or good/evil, when life itself is seldom so simplistic or morally absolute.
Good one, Clay. Not just "NO" but "HELL NO!" This amendment is draconian and an obvious attempt by rabid anti-abortionists to further eviscerate Roe v. Wade. While abortion is still legal in all states, many states have made it so hard to obtain that it might as well be illegal. In the past three years alone there have been over 100 new state-sponsored abortion laws that severely restrict a woman's right to choose and that have forced many abortion clinics to shut down. The slippery slope that we are on is not one that has made it easier and more accessible for a woman to get an abortion but rather harder and more inaccessible. We do not need yet another new law that restricts further still a woman's right to choose. VOTE NO on Amendment 1!
I completely agree with Ki here. Charitable and selfless acts of giving are certainly praiseworthy, but to live in a country with all the abundant wealth and resources that we have here in America and yet have so much poverty and neglect in areas of education, nutrition, health care, etc. is unconscionable. Charity is fine and dandy but we will never eradicate poverty and need with charity alone.
Our country is not broke - all the wealth is in the pockets of the One-Percent! Until we as a nation stop prioritizing individual greed over the basic needs of the people we will be forever stuck in this rotten inequitable system of our own making, with America steadily sinking into third-world status.