PT, unlike you I don't spend all day sitting on my ass in front of my computer, glued to this forum, so I just now saw your comment from yesterday, where you asked me if I was rich or not. I think that you had asked me that before. You seem to have a thing about it. If not you, then somebody else asked it, but I'm pretty sure it was you. Anyway, I said it before but I will say it again - I am not rich. I live modestly but comfortably on a few acres of land out in the country in a place that I have fully paid for.
I'm not sure what point you think you are trying to make regarding my personal finances. Personally I don't care whether you are rich or poor or somewhere in between. I know that a lot of you lib-bashers like to make the argument that we libs hate, yet envy, rich people, so maybe that is why you are so concerned with my own finances. I can't speak for other libs but I myself neither hate nor envy people who are richer than me. I have never begrudged anyone their wealth. In fact I have a couple of friends who are extremely rich, and remarkably liberal, too. I do not envy them their wealth. Nor do I hate even those wealthy people who are ideologically opposed to me. Or if I do hate them, or strongly dislike them, it is not because of their wealth, it is because they tend to be a-holes in general. I also admire, respect, and appreciate business owners, at least those who offer their goods and services at a reasonable price, treat their employees with dignity and respect, and have a social conscience regarding their community and the environment.
It's time you lib-bashers opened your eyes, ears, and minds and saw where we libs are really coming from, instead of falling back on your trite, worn-out sound-bytes in which you claim that we hate business owners and people who make profits and have money. We are not calling for some Marxist utopia or even an eradication of the free market, like you all claim. We are just calling for a system that is not rigged in favor of the rich - with the money gushing upward and only crumbs trickling down to those at the bottom. You say that redistribution of wealth is evil socialism but you don't acknowledge how the wealth has been disproportionately distributed upwards for the past 30+ years. This nation is not broke! The money is just in the pockets of the few at the top, and for the most part, they have not earned it, they have stolen it, in a system that is highly rigged in their favor. We need balance, and that balance can only come from a symbiotic relationship between government and the free market. Neither one can exist in a vacuum.
Back in October Congressman Trey Radel (R, FL) was busted for cocaine possession. Coincidentally he had just recently voted in favor of passing a GOP-sponsored bill that would force all food stamp recipients to pee in cups to prove that they are not doing drugs. While Trey Radel is just one member of congress who has been caught and exposed for his hypocrisy, there are undoubtedly far more politicians than he, from both parties, who are indulging in their recreational drugs of choice while working (if you want to call what they do "work!") on the tax payers' dime.
It has been determined that the number of welfare/food stamp recipients who are doing drugs is extremely low - less than 2%. And the cost to implement a drug testing program would be far more than the money saved from weeding out the few druggies that exist. Like "voter fraud," it is a problem that is not really a problem. But once again, we see the double standards that exist for the GOP and the "job creators," the "haves," the "rugged individualists" at the top: speak out against minimum wage increases for those at the bottom but vote in favor of yearly substantial wage increases for themselves; force the poor to pee in cups before they can get their pittance of food or monetary relief but don't dare ask the same of our boozing, powder-sniffing, pain-pill addicted politicians who are living large off the tax payers; and vote in favor of getting tough on crime, but when it comes to the white collar crimes of our politicians and gangster-bankers they get a slap on the wrist (at worst) and then expect forgiveness and another chance.
But then, the guys on Wall St. who played with other people's money and lost it all didn't even get a slap on the wrist - they were in fact rewarded! They were happy to receive the huge socialistic payout from the government to bail them out. Yes, put the screws to the poor and the needy (my god, they have refrigerators and stoves after all!) and bewail the evils of socialism, but tax breaks, second chances, and socialism for our politicos, corporate fat cats, and Wall St. prima donnas are fine and dandy, thank you. This is what Amerika has become: a nation of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.
I have said all that I care to say to you, Maxine. You don’t even know me but you are making wild insinuations about me that are not even close to what you are so idiotically spouting off. And as for the rest of your commentary, it is so clichéd and trite, you are either a troll or you’re as dumb as dirt. Either way it's hard to take you seriously, and to spend time going back and forth with you is just stooping to your level and wallowing in your mud. If you are as rich as you pretend to be, your arrogance and your incessant talking about it make you the butt of your own jokes and you don't even have the good sense to realize it. And if you are indeed a black man, as you have claimed to be, then we can truly say that racism, at least against black people, has been completely eradicated – because now a black man is free enough to espouse the same arrogant, hateful philosophy of the rich old white men who enslaved his people before. Yes, Maxine, you are free at last! – free to be as rich, stupid, arrogant, and ass-holish as you want to be.
Welcome back, alprova. I'm really sorry to hear of your misfortune but I hope that you are now on the road to better health. I have missed your comments. I tend to agree with you on most things and disagree on only a few, but even in those areas we disagree I still enjoy and appreciate your clear reasoning and thoughtful posts.
There's a reason there are more 30 yr.-olds flipping burgers today and it's not because they are just lazy or stupid. Most of them most likely had a pretty decent paying job before the recession hit in '08 but they have had to resort to flipping burgers or working at Walmart because there is little else out there in the job market. Maximus, in your arrogance and your rush to judgment of anyone not fitting your specific notion of success, you fail to acknowledge or even realize that those millions of jobs that were lost are not there any more and are not coming back, and the "job creators," with all the vast tax cuts they have enjoyed the last 10+ years have not created any new jobs to replace those that were lost. Those of you who were fortunate enough not to lose your jobs or who had sufficient assets to tide you over are so lacking in empathy or a realistic assessment of how disastrous that recession was for a lot of people that you just blame it all on a lack of individual initiative. You, sir, are blind, deaf, and dumb, because your humongous ego is so vast, you can't see beyond your pathetic little self.
There was a time when most Americans saw the US in the U.S. but today's neo-cons only see the ME in America.
"And the US needs to return to the sensible tax policies that created a rich nation instead of uber-rich people." - nucanuck
Well said, nucanuck. The American Dream used to be about the opportunity for the average person to attain a level of prosperity that enabled them to buy their own house, raise a family, have ample free time to enjoy their family life, pay for their kids' schooling, and retire in relative comfort. And there was a time when that was achieved by millions of 40 hr./week workers with nothing more than a high school education and only the particular on-the-job skills learned at whatever foundry, factory, or industry they worked for. Today's fast-food workers and Walmart/Target/Kmart employees are not any lazier or lacking in a desire to achieve, they are just vastly underpaid and are having to keep their noses to the grindstone just to stay afloat. And the only means of rising above their day-to-day struggles, other than some entrepreneurial brain-storm (which, even with a brilliant idea, requires capital and time to set the idea in motion) there are not enough high-tech, high-paying jobs to go around; and even if there were, higher education has become outrageously expensive and keeps getting more expensive and inaccessible every year.
If the wages of blue-collar workers had kept pace with inflation, they would be making a minimum wage of at least $10/hr. today. If they had kept pace with the percentage in increases that CEOs have seen over the years they would be making at least $21/hr. in base pay. Granted, we are not turning out the American-made products that we used to, and since most of the products we buy are made so cheaply abroad by people working at slave-labor wages we have lost touch with the true value of those products. So an argument can be made that a burger flipper or a Walmart cashier is not turning out a product that has the equivalent worth of, say, what a 1954 washing machine made in America was worth back then. Yet, the CEOs and the white collar executives of these companies are managing to rake in millions and billions per year off the backs of these "under-achievers," and their profits continue to rise every year. So there is no reason that some of those profits could/should not go right back to the employees in the form of better wages. Even a burger flipper, no matter their education or skill level, is providing a service to the public that is necessary and of value, both to the customer and to the owner, and as such should be rewarded with sufficient wages to at least eke out a living without having to apply for government assistance or work extra jobs.
"Nuff for today, I have better things to do. Oops...I went and said it again! I'll leave it to you to sit on your tired old ass all day, PT, glued to your computer, spouting off your worn-out right-wing (er...I mean "independent moderate") drivel.
PT, Christian crazies is actually a pretty mild epithet compared to what I really think of them. Anyway, I guess I'm allowed to be "un-Christian" since I'm NOT one.
Max, all I did was respond with tangible evidence to back up a statement I had made. Rather than speak to the issue or topic at hand, all you can do is go off on your usual tirade of name calling and stereotyping. I don't need to call you a loser or speak ill of you in any way - you speak it loud and clear for yourself with every comment you make.