I've read it . I stand by what I said. Example - the "right" to drive on a public road.
And read the second part of the original post
BRP: "Government only takes rights away. It cannot give rights."
I think that's a rather severe view. As with most things, it depends on your definition. The government most certainly can grant rights, or privileges if you prefer. It can take those same rights or privileges away.
Easy: The only reason you have rights is because of our government.
If you mean because they protect the rights we have, I would agree completely. If you mean the ONLY rights we have are those granted us by the government, as opposed to natural or unalienable human rights, I would disagree.
If the belief is we have a natural human right to defend ourselves (for example) , the discussion turns to the tools we use for that purpose i.e. semi-auto guns vs any guns at all vs golf club etc etc. and who can have them. All these hundreds of posts shows clearly how contentious that can be.
"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase is meant to exemplify the "unalienable rights" with which all human beings are endowed for the protection of which they institute governments.
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
Natural Rights discussion (among hundreds)
Freedom is a messy business sometimes.
"You sure are acting like rifles are the only issue."
No I'm not. That's your interpretation
"Not all rifles."
True - which makes it even sillier. It only bans those evil looking ones with flip up thingies or pistol grips. You know, the ones that are functionally no different than any other semi-auto.
The fact that you think you've actually haven't been given anything that would qualify as an answer is very telling.
"You're a sanctimonious twat and evasive. If you don't want to be labeled these things, then don't fit the description."
Well gee you forgot "dumbass"
How old are you? 12? You can have the last word. Then you can go call other folks ridiculous names.
No goal posts were moved. I know the whole issue isn't rifles. Apparently, others don't.
Do the proposed bans include handguns? No (6,220 deaths)
Do they include rifles? (323 deaths) Yes
"I asked a question as well. Feel free to admit you don't want or can't answer it." Have you not been paying attention?"
Your lack of ability to recognize an answer is not my problem.
Yes I've read the EO's. Have you?
"See what I mean? Sanctimonious."
Whatever. It's certainly a cut above childish swill like
"sanctimonious twat" "evasive, dumb ass".
It's only a strawman if you arguing more about guns themselves than deaths.
I asked a question - feel free to admit you don't want or can't answer
Nice to know you consider failing to enforce laws not a problem. In that case, any new bans can be ignored. Talk about oblivious lol
Are you or moon as afraid of a golf club as you are a rifle? You should be. You're more likely to be killed by one.
If you can come up with a rational explanation as to why most murders are committed by criminals with handguns and crazies with whatever they can find, but the emphasis is always to take away semi-automatic rifles from citizens who have no criminal records, I'll listen.
Why does the solution not match the problem?
"evasive, dumb ass"
Brilliant - just brilliant
It's going to be a beautiful day - get out and enjoy it.
OK I understand now. That the murder rate among black youth is nearly 7 times that of whites isn't important to you. Or do you have an answer other than your silly retorts.
Re Tiahrt. Not surprised that's all you need.
Hey I'm not the one complaining about not having a full time ATF director.
BS No it's not
Tell you what you and moon can go on telling each other how wonderful you are. Her description of the "overly excitable, paranoid hysteria" "mentally unstable" is a clear case of projection. You talking about logic is nearly as funny. I'll leave you two lovebugs alone. See ya
Tiahrt? That's all you've got?
"What is being done about it?" No answer huh?
"I think it would be important to have someone on full-time in directing the ATF, wouldn't you? I don't know whose fault it is."
Maybe maybe not - probably not much effect on day to day operations. The fault would be with whoever is supposed to appoint him. The FBI and all those other alphabet agencies, along with the various police forces, will be hurt you think they aren't important.
And the whites, hispanic, asians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders? What is being done about that?
They aren't the ones slaughtering each other. Do you propose the same solution would fit everybody?
" Oh wait, we aren't allowed to talk about gun control or any of the topics surrounding it."
That's just plain stupid.
good grief you guys need to take a break
"That might matter if there this country only consisted of white people."
It matters regardless.
"Or maybe it's just an education, nurture, environment problem in any race group that has a 27.4 % poverty rate and an 8% high school dropout rate."
Maybe, even probably. Not to mention 67% single parent household. So what is being done about it?
"The NRA helped write a bunch of laws that handcuff the ATF. It's hard to enforce laws when you aren't allowed to."
How many? All of them? Some of them? They seem to be working OK for those bozos on trial for selling without a license.
"The ATF doesn't even have a full-time director."
So what? Whose fault is that?
"The ATF only has 2,500 special agents as of 2010."
Whose fault is that? You do know the ATF isn't the only enforcement agency around don't you?
"Those facts mean very little in regard to the gun problem."
Tell that to the black kids that are being slaughtered. Again, what's being done about?