Answer me this question:
Is "Taxpayers send(ing) their money to Washington" and then demanding they have a "right to receive benefit for it" the "smart" or the "stupid" way to do it?
Show me ANY ONE area that the government delivers a product or service more cost effectively and with more universal access than the private market?
To illustrate let's apply your principles in another area that is even more critical than healthcare:
let's scrap our current food distribution system in America, send a standard amount of food money to Washington every year and then declare food a universal right in legislation.
How will that workout? You can scream Tea Party !! Tea Party !! all you want but government involvement in any and all areas leads to a loss of personal freedom and scarcity of the very thing it declares to you to be a right.
If it worked, I would be for it. We just have too much human history that clearly tells us that government needs to be limited to its basic functions and run just those basics as poorly as we all expect they would.
Obamacare will operate much like the history of NYC rent control:
I remember driving through the Bronx everyday as a kid on the Cross Bronx Expressway wondering why all the buildings were burned down? Years later I learned the answer from Milton Friedman:
Rent caps on apartments made it impossible to own, operate and maintain apartment buildings there. The owners had buildings in which they could not turn a profit so it was better to burn them to the ground.
Liberals do not and I believe cannot understand that there is a difference between price and cost but I'll try one more time:
Legislating price caps will make the crowds cheer because their prices will seemingly go down or at least be frozen, but the true cost does not evaporate; it remains. This only results in scarcity. It results in reduced supply; reduced services offered. ECON 101
"who now will have to pick up the tab for Erlangers $92 Million charity care expense, and every other hospital with similar expenses, which have to be passed on to those of us"
What do you mean by "now"? How would complying to the demands of Obamacare evaporate that cost into thin air so that we don't have to "pick up the tab"? I guess there are a lot of people on this forum who still believe that Washington is the true source of our national wealth that is still yet untapped.
what a persuasive argument you made for common core: If you disagree with the Chamber of Commerce talking points - you are "wrong, wrong, wrong".
Wow. You said "wrong" three whole times!! That is a really persuasive argument there Cicero. Is that an example of those critical thinking skills our kids will be taught?
I received a mailing this week at my house sponsored by the 4 major regional Chamber's of Commerce in TN that regurgitate the same propaganda you just spewed. At your next chamber meeting, tell your buddies Ron Harr (Chattanooga)and Gary Farlow (Bradley) and the other board members that me and others are using their tax payer funded mailing to go door to door to show our neighbors who really is behind common core. I will keep spreading my "misinformation". I promise you that your all out media blitz for common core will backfire on you, the governor, the chamber, Bill Gates, Arne Duncan, Kevin Huffman, Michele Rhee etc...
You are on the wrong side of history. Parents in all states, of all political persuasions, of all religions or no religion at all are realizing the the total failure, high cost and content hollowness of common core.
Isn't it interesting to see a liberal leftist like you and the Chamber of Commerce working together? The progressive movement is being exposed and judged a failure as it should be.
The smartest man in the world said:
"the only thing that would truly make him a "socialist dictator," as the teabagging loonies often call him, is if he should attempt in any way to take over business and put it under government control. THAT would be actual socialism."
Spending tax payer money on GM and then putting the UAW in front of bond holders (owners) is not socialism "in any way"?
Federal take over of the whole student loan program is not socialism "in any way"?
How about the Federal lawsuit against ITT tech filed in Indiana? You can find the article in this weeks TFP archives. The government says a private for-profit business is charging too much and making unfair 1 year same-as-cash loans. Yes - the government is actually trying to make the case that they do a better and more cost efficient job of managing higher education than private industry!!
This is a frivolous federal lawsuit by the Obama administration against a private business that out-competes the government alternative in the hopes of driving them out of business. Is this not socialism "in any way"?
That is all I can think of off the top of my head...
At the Direction of the local Chamber's of Commerce we are opening up Industrial parks with tax payer dollars everywhere.
In Cleveland, we gave Alan Jones $5 mil for his worthless property at exit 20 that I bet would not be worth 10% of that price on a true open market.
So go ahead Pam (I assume she wrote this editorial) and encourage the Chamber and our lovely mayor to throw away tax dollars on more redevelopment schemes that enrich a certain few developers.
Pam, you did a good job of detailing the secrecy of these quasi-government organizations and how they have the cover to not disclose their business dealings: Port, Housing and airport authorities. Industrial development boards. Redevelopment boards.
Now just put it all together: don't you understand this is what always happens when government is allowed to get involved in things that have nothing to do with governing? Government caused this housing problem and now government will use a secretive Housing Authority who obviously feels it has everything to hide to come up with the solution.
keep living the progressive utopian dream!!
You said Soakya had a crystal Ball, but he doesn't need one.
History is a good guide: I guess you know VW came to western, PA to build the rabbit on taxpayer money and left town after 10 years.
Today's car market is much more competitive and is a shrinking market. The SUV is moving toward the end of its cycle and will go the way of the minivan and NOW VW is just going to enter the market? Honestly, they are just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks. Do you know why? Because they can. They can since they did not invest their own money. I will risk other people's money all day long. I hope I am wrong, but I know I am not. Get some good experience and get your resume ready.
You saw the massive decline in Passat sales? Those initial sales were just pipeline sales. There simply is no room for VW in the American car market on a large scale. They would never have come here if they had to spend their own money. That's what's wrong with the public/private partnership we keep hearing is so good for us.
Librul, here's your chance to prove me wrong: In your very first post you wrote about a 200 word anti-christian rant.
I want you to now write a 200 word (minimum) anti-Islam rant. Include specifics of Muslim crimes like you did in the first post. I really want to see the intensity and loathing.
Wow, I feel like a 5th grade teacher assigning a common core English lesson!! Your assignment is due by 11:00 AM tomorrow; right before you head to church! LOL
I can't wait to read it!!
Thanks Soakya. You got it right. They are not the equal opportunity offenders they say they are, are they?
Rickaroo, you should have known I wasn't talking to you when I said idiots. You are the smartest man in the world. We all know it to be true.
You know everything. You said so to Mr. Taj.
There is nothing you can be taught. You never list any references. You never quote any thing from anyone. You are your own source of all wisdom. You are your own foot note. All that you know comes your very own mind.
Honestly, as soon as I see your name, I skip it. You know why? Here it is:
This is Rickaroo in a nutshell:
Christians bad, Atheists good.
Jesus bad, Rickaroo good.
Republicans bad, Democrats good.
Tea Party Very bad, occupiers good.
capitalism bad, big government good.
individual charity bad, government programs good.
oh yeah, one more -
creation wrong, spontaneous big bang correct.
Do I have you covered?
You all go on your usual rabid attack against Christianity for absolutely no reason. How can you idiots be sure that Amos Taj is not one of your fine fellow atheists?
yes, go back and re-read his letter.
Are you liberals not completely irrational?
You made a very stupid assumption based on your very violent bias and lashed out like a pack of wild dogs. Could not an atheist have written every word Mr. Taj wrote?