Fairmon wrote: "It is not mathematically possible to insure millions more and subsidize some earning up to $85,000 yearly and not increase the cost for essentially everyone and more for those most successful."
Everyone will eventually be paying more for their personal costs, if they didn't pay previously. Subsidies will eventually be absorbed by the insurers.
Some subsidies are already being absorbed by the insurers. My Part-D plan is a perfect example. I am on one drug that retails for $635.00 a month. My co-pay is $17.00 a month. I pay a higher premium for that plan than most of them cost, but I will never pay more than that per month for that drug and I will never hit a donut hole.
"It is not possible to add millions to the Medicare roles without affecting the fiscal health of Medicare/Medicaid and those that participate."
Who or what do you believe was paying the cost for indigent care prior to ObamaCare? Every single hospital and other medical providers sucked from the Federal teat.
"Liberals deny the reality of the math while arm in arm saying we are all in this together now give me some of yours without asking me to work for it, we are all equal you know. Their attitude is you take the risk, make good decisions and do the work but I want to participate in the rewards."
The fact that you don't want to face up to, is that there is more than enough resources to make this thing work. This is one time when America is being forced to think about their fellow Americans, whether they want to or not.
If you are what you claim you are, and you earn what you claim to earn, then you are not overtaxed a damn dime. You in fact are paying less, in terms of percentage of income, than most people who work at a job for a living.
You're constant bitching about taxes that you aren't supposed to be paying, leads me to doubt many of your claims, and for that reason.
Your contribution to all the subsidies being offered is a couple of pennies per dollar you pay in taxes, if that. So your complaint will always fall on deaf ears.
Conservative wrote: "I can safely predict this will be a day of whining. And who will do the whining? Why those who wanted and voted for those Demoncrats who set up the ACA."
Hell, even the Republicans have quit whining about ObamaCare. It's the law of the land and it will continue to move forward.
"Now, how did the whiners not believe health insurance cost would dramatically increase?"
That effect is only temporary. As more and more people come online, the downward pressure will be applied and costs will go down.
It took four years for it to happen in Massachusetts. It's going to take as long or longer for the nation to adapt to it.
"They had to believe someone beside themselves would pay for their healthcare."
Now where would you get an idea like that? The entire point of ObamaCare is to force people to take some self-responsibility for the costs for their health care.
Nobody gets away free anymore. Everybody will eventually be paying something towards the cost of their health care.
Maximyth wrote: "alprova as could be expected reacted with the typical political fear tactic stating there would be a mass exodus of good teachers and the crumbling of the Hamilton county department of education implying the children and community would experience irreparable harm."
With other school systems offering better deals, including family coverage at no cost to the employee, I still maintain that there will be an exodus of teachers. How many remains to be seen.
"His solution must be to increase the property tax for those in Hamilton county sufficient to fund healthcare for the teachers spouse."
You're too stupid to understand that if you pay property taxes, you've been contributing to such an expenditure every year.
If you ever get married and have kids, and move on from your part-time Taco Bell job, you'll learn what it is all about.
Fairmon wrote: "No celebration but it is the right thing to do and your predicted attrition of teachers will not occur with teachers compensation still being a good package including pensions disability etc."
After digging into the details, I am backing off of my previous claim. The worst that is going to happen is that the premiums for family coverage will rise for Hamilton County employees by $100 a month, if a spouse has no offered insurance plan available to them.
"There is no reason why tax payers or any employer for that matter should provide healthcare for anyone other than the employee. Pay all employees more and those with the need to insure others pay for it."
You're one of those people who feel that no one should have any benefits, aren't you?
When the tide turns and there are more jobs than those who need them, and it will happen, those benefit packages will return.
"Tax payer funded institutions should model those in the private sector that use defined benefits to have a predictable cost of benefits. Provide a set dollar amount and a menu of benefits that each employee can select a la carte. Employees pay out of pocket if all selections exceed the dollar amount provided for benefits. This is fair to all employees without showing favor to those choosing to have dependents."
You're the only person I have ever encountered who worries day and night about someone getting something you cannot have, because you CHOOSE to remain single.
Fairmon wrote: "Because you misrepresent the facts. No one has proposed affecting those already receiving social security or Medicare."
That's utter bullsh!t. Privatizing both, cutting benefits, raising premiums, all have been proposed for those currently drawing benefits by Republicans.
"Because many people recognize the current programs are not all sustainable in the future."
If Peter had not been robbed to pay Paul, both Social Security and Medicare would have remained solvent for decades to come.
"Because the average life expectancy has increased by a substantial amount since the Ponzi scheme was founded."
Again, if the funds that had been put in there had been left alone, there would be no Ponzi scheme argument that would hold up.
You are one of the worst to forget that most people pay a lifetime of deductions into two programs and they deserve those benefits. You're going to draw them too, if you are not already. You're very secretive about your life. A little too anonymous, if you ask me.
"Because over the next approximately 20 years there will only be three in the donating category for each in the takers group. Why do you not include the Medicare changes included in the AHCA? Who voted for the SOB's that did that?"
What are you referring to? ObamaCare has appropriated money shifted from SAVINGS in the Medicare program. There is much mors that could be saved, that is not being caught.
I could write a book about Medicare waste and fraud I have witnessed just this year.
I have received bills submitted by doctors who never saw me while a patient in the hospital, submitted to Medicare for payment. One that caught my eye that I cannot believe was paid, was a $1,500 bill from a spine surgeon when I was in for heart surgery.
The count is up to 40 Doctors claiming to have cared for me over that 3 week period this past June. Each got paid from a few hundred dollars to a couple of thousand dollars.
I don't know but what this is what hospitals have to do in order to survive these days. There are still far to many uninsured patients, right here in our area.
Somebody has to pay to keep the hospitals there for all who need them.
People who complain about Hamilton County Teachers now, are sure going to have more to complain about in the future.
Dropping benefits for spouses is a sure-fired way to insure that the best teachers and other staff are going to seek life elsewhere.
I'll bet Fairmon has been celebrating about all this...
I previously posted: "The concept of disposable income is very lost on some people."
"It certainly is when you and a few others advocate that you or those you deem deserving want to dispose of my income."
I have never advocated disposing of a dime of your income.
As inquiringmind has been trying to instill into your brain, when people earn a living wage, as it was when Democrats had complete control of Congress for 40 years, everyone thrived and the American dream was no more apparent than back then.
Everything you bitch about began when Republicans were elected into power. Everything.
The Republicans have all but dismantled the middle class. They fostered the environment which allowed businesses to relocate overseas and to be allowed to take a tax deduction for doing it.
Wages have gone straight down in this nation. Disposable income is ridiculously low. So who is able to buy the goods and services when people are barely able to pay their monthly bills?
Since I have been alive, it has been a factual observation that when Democrats are in charge for a decent length of time, times are good for all.
When Republicans are in charge, the vital signs of this nation destabilize and start going downhill, EVERY SINGLE time.
Look at the House of Representatives for the first clue how ridiculous Republicans have become. They sit on their hands, do nothing for two solid years, and these people believe they deserve to be re-elected?
I understand people with money voting for Republicans, but what I don't understand are people who receive their income from Social Security, who are on Medicare, who hear most Republican politicians state that if it were up to them, they would do away with all "entitlements," voting for the SOB's.
They hold the Republicans as heroes despite the fact that they want to put each and every one who is retired in the poor house, but good.
Medical? They want you dead. They hope you die. They want to raise the eligibility date for Social Security full benefits to the age of 70.
And some of you vote for these goal post movers every time the polls open.
I don't understand it.
You truly vote against your own self interests, and for what I have not the first clue.
Maybe someone will offer a serious answer to that question.
Jackie whined: "Ok, Anthony, I'll overlook the 400+ post accusing me of everything from being an excommunicated priest! a bankruptee! and a sex offender. No problem, pal. No harm, no foul. you are nuts"
You might as well overlook them and move the %*^& on with your life, because it is doing you no good to whine about a thing, given your demeanor in this forum.
You want nice, you make nice.
You live your entire life in denial. You deny everything you have ever done or ever written. You are an expert at projecting everything you are guilty of, onto others.
I'm moving on from you and your problems. No longer will I waste time making them my problems.
Jackie, the butt-hurt moron wrote: "You're nuts Anthony. You accuse me of vile things and I'm supposed to take it from you?"
I haven't accused you of a thing lately. You're the only one playing the victim and you created it all on your own.
I'm simply refusing to play along anymore and it's driving you up a wall.
"You don't even have the balls to produce evidence."
Evidence to what? I'm not offering any accusations.
"Murder? Hell, I'm surprised you haven't accused me of that."
Why would I?
"Personal? I only get personal with liars like you."
Now who's lying AGAIN? You type personal comments to EVERYONE whom you do not agree with. You attack people in this forum EVERY SINGLE DAY.
You are a bitch. You bitch, bitch, bitch at anyone who posts a comment you do not agree with. You never discuss anything. You bitch.
"You're the one lacking even a shread of decency. Get off your high horse. You're creds are slipping as people begin to get savvy to your lies."
I haven't posted any lies, especially not about you Jackie. If I had, you'd have stated that any or all accusations were not true.
You deny nothing, everyone has read nothing in the form of denial from you and you and I both know why. You know I CAN prove what I have posted in the past.
"Who's butt hurt now?"
By you? Hilarious!! You're a total idiot to believe you have scored one point in this forum. You're the butt end of all your accusations.
Jackie, you really need to STFU, because you haven't been around in this forum long enough to know the history between most people in it.
Some people get butt-hurt, just like you do, and there's nothing I can do about that if they take everything so personal.
It's never personal with me. When I finish typing it, it's over as far as I'm concerned.
You are an exception to that rule. I am determined to make everything personal, because you work so hard to keep everything personal when you type.
But, as I wrote awhile ago, you are the biggest idiot I have ever encountered, because you have no personal honor, nor are you even interested in preserving any honor for yourself.
I believe you would cop to a murder if you were ever questioned about one.
You are such a child, when it comes down to it. Read your last post and see if you don't see how juvenile your posts have become.
Come to think of it, it's a shame you weren't born a female, because you are a perfect bitch.