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canarysong said...

A correction to my last post: Paul Krugman won the Nobel Prize in economics, not the Pulitzer Prize. Memory isn't always a friend anymore....

February 4, 2013 at 4:06 p.m.
canarysong said...

Maximus-

"so over educated (Chatt State) that you are unemployable"

I assume "Chatt State" is the local college? ....No. And I own my own business.

""If you think us strident....."YOU WATCH WAY TOO MUCH DOWNTON[sic] ABBEY."

I hate to disappoint you, but I've never watched "Downtown Abbey". PBS British series? If I watched TV, I might. Sorry (not really) that the way I express myself puts you off. English is my second language. Would you be more comfortable if I threw in a couple of "y'all"s and "ain't"s now and then?

"I'm surprised you did not include Paul Kruger and the New York Times..."

Paul Krueger, Pulitzer Prize (that elitist thing) winning economist? Yes, I do read him, and The New York Times, as anyone who wants a broad view on our world, liberal or conservative, would do. I also sometimes read The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, and other more conservative sources for news.

"Nontheists? Is that like the gays, a new special interest group..."

Nontheists - the most inclusive term that I can use. Not everyone who doesn't believe in god(s) is an atheist; some are agnostics, Taoists, Buddhists, Jains, Wiccans, etc. Yes, I know.... "inclusive" is another one of those dirty words to the far right.

"Special interest group"? No more so than anyone else, including whatever you claim to be. Christian fundamentalists have certainly done a bang-up job of promoting their "special interests" in the past few decades.

"...believing in a higher power, especially God and Jesus requires humility. I feel sorry for each of you because you do not have the peace that comes with such humility."

LOL.... First of all, while I don't think that someone is stupid because they believe in god(s), for me, it requires a suspension of disbelief, a lack of need for evidence that I simply can't muster. I could make life easier for myself and simply pretend to believe, but that isn't really faith, is it? I see those who arrogantly claim to know, with absolute certainty, "the truth" to be the ones lacking in humility. When I look a the vastness of our universe; the complexity and beauty of our natural world; the capacity for compassion, creativity, and innovation in human heart and mind, I feel awe; I feel wonder..... I feel "humility". I don't know.... and I'm fine with that.

As for "peace", I don't see any evidence of it in your posts.

"If you have no morale [sic] compass you are a lost soul with no where to go but down."

I believe you meant "moral". Yes..... that "demonizing" nontheists thing I was talking about. I'm sure that's why I was nominated for a public service award a few years ago.... my lack of a moral compass.

"...Lincoln, Martin Luther King, Hillary and Bill Clinton and even Beyonce are such dumb asses because they believe or believed in God..."

Beyonce? Oh well, why didn't you say so? Sign me up! Where's the nearest river? rofl...

February 4, 2013 at 3:30 p.m.
canarysong said...

Seriously, I think that all of you on the religious right that have such a problem with secularity should just boycott all of the technology that has been developed by nontheists. Go back to paper, pencils, snail-mail, and the public library (you know, the big building with the page-turny things in it); and if your heart gives out and you need a new one, just make do - that artificial one was invented by a heathen.

If you note a hint of irritation in the tone of non-believers, it's because we're sick to death of being marginalized, demonized, and excluded while all the while the rest of you are happy to take advantage of the contributions that some secularists have given you. And we're simply not willing to put up with it silently anymore! And if you think us strident.... most of us don't really care.

February 4, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
canarysong said...

Maximus: "Jesus, most of our founding Fathers, Lincoln, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham and even Dale Earnhart may not be as well schooled on the dark internet crap as the Canary, DaytonsDarwin, or Alprova, but they all believed in God..."

Dark internet crap? Basing our comments on actual facts (otherwise known as reality) gleaned from actual reading of such online sources as, say, federal reports on demographics; scientific studies from various universities; respected publications such as The Washington Post; those subversive things called dictionaries {eye roll}; and those heavy, page-turny things called "books" somehow is dark? Wow, you have a very scary little world inside your head, don't you?

Seriously, I don't don't know whether to laugh my head off at that or to cry. After my initial fit of giggles, I realize the very sad implication of the fact that you don't seem to be an outlier. Somehow, in today's religious right wing, ignorance has come to be preferred and more trusted than knowledge. Educated has come to mean "elitist"; opinion has the same weight as "fact"; and fantasy is on equal footing with reality. Sad. Not only sad, but it's costing us our competitive footing in the global marketplace. In science and math, our students rank 25th out of 34 countries surveyed in a recent Harvard study (dang that "dark internet"!). We're becoming an economy more based on low paying, unskilled service jobs than on cutting edge technology (those jobs are going to Asia and Europe, where education and intelligence is valued). The reality is that teaching any children myth as scientific fact; creating a culture where intellect is viewed with suspicion, or even ridiculed; where celebrity is more rewarded than expertise; where taxpayer funds are diverted to schools who twist reality to fit their ideology; where teachers aren't given the pay, bargaining power, support, and respect that they need and deserve - these things harm us all. We are on a fast track to becoming a "third world country" and it's because we're not investing in what matters (health, education, diplomacy, and yes, environmental protection). This type of backward attitude is both the symptom and the cause.

Btw, Maximus, you'd better get off this dark interwebby thing, I'm told that good god-believing Christians can be corrupted just by turning it on. Besides, most of the technology that you're using was developed by atheists and some of them were (gasp!) gay!

February 4, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
canarysong said...

You can't read, can you, conservative? The graduation rate now is higher than it was in the early sixties. Give it up. It's obvious that you didn't read the link that she posted. It's based on the latest federal report; where did you get your "information"?

Seriously, what is your problem with simply accepting that you're wrong about this? Geesh!

February 3, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
canarysong said...

"Bible and prayer was taken out of school in the early sixties. Graduation rates were higher then. Schools were much safer then. There was little crime in school then. . .You are once again 100% wrong. Your atheism is astonishing."

Your inability to properly research information or to understand causal relationships is "astonishing". Ikeithlu was exactly right. Facts don't cease to be true just because you don't like them. U.S. graduation rates started to rise significantly in the 1920's, continued through the 40's and 50's, AND through the middle and late 60's, peaking in 1969 at 77% nationally. Afterward they began slipping, but have recently picked up, reaching 78.2% (high school freshman that graduate within 4 years) in 2010.

Show me empirical evidence that there is a causal relationship between religion in public schools and violence and/or graduation rates if you can. Remember, correlation does NOT prove causation. If you can't, your argument is worth nothing. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

February 3, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
canarysong said...

conservative: "If you obey the commandment of the word of God to 'Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.' you will certainly want school children to receive instruction in the word of God."

Most people don't want others beliefs pushed on them or on their children. So, it stands to reason that "love your neighbor as yourself", when applied to the issue of religion in schools, would mean keeping religious doctrine OUT of school so that each parent is free to teach their OWN values unimpeded. That is showing respect or "love" for your neighbor. Do you really think that the Hindu American, the Buddhist, the Jew, or the atheist feels "loved" when you insert your doctrine into their children's public school curriculum?

February 3, 2013 at 6:57 p.m.
canarysong said...

Wow, jesse. I'm glad that changed by the time I moved to the U.S.

One of the things for which I'm most grateful to my parents is that they raised me in a secular home. They both went out of their way to model altruism, always helping someone in need, but religion had nothing to do with it.

February 3, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.
canarysong said...

Thanks for the link, lkeithlu.

Something else that pulls the rug out from under GameOn's supposition is that the state with the highest graduation rate, Vermont at 91.4%, is also the state with the highest number of residents who claim no religious affiliation, 34%.

February 3, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
canarysong said...

When was the bible taught in the classroom? Not in my lifetime, and I'm in my 50's. In the 1800's? Lots of things have changed since then!

Besides, correlation does not prove causation.

February 3, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
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