ki fruit said....Well, fairy, if you're going to ask that question of Michael Brown's parents you should do the of Wilson's. Let see, Wilson's mom was convicted of stealing and forgery in 2001 specifically from a neighbor who considered Wilson's mom a friend. She stole the neighbor's identity, opened credit cards in the neighbors name. Got access to the neighbor's bank account.
What is the point? Do you mean he is a product of the same type deficiencies that likely produced the bullying thief that he killed? Does that change the answer to the questions? Had you rather treat the disease or just keep dealing with the symptoms?
More welfare and dependency should give some temporary relief. Don't get your drawers in a wad that is not a racial comment since more whites are gaming the system than any race. There are a lot of white thieves and bullies also and my sympathy would be just as little for them if they met a similar ending.
Everybody is more than willing to attack the cop and at this point in time it may be he deserves it. Where is all the emotion aver the failures leading to the theft, bullying and stupidity of both the cop and dead thief and bully?
What role did the parents play and what did they do or not do that allowed this kid to behave so irresponsibly? What deficits in the weak education system contributed? What system allows kids to grow up without knowing how to work and be responsible then fails to assure they have an opportunity to do so? What is being done to provide good role models instead of some weird filthy talking and criminal advocating rapper?
The gap in kids that do learn and act responsibly and those that drop out, fail to utilize the opportunity for an education and make bad decisions is similar to the numbers in the wealthy and those at or below the poverty level. It is not limited to any race, whites have an equal percent that are future dependents and criminals.
alprova said...Federal charges are completely separate from those which will or will not be filed in St. Louis County.
Holder cannot try the officer for murder or any lesser crime related to the shooting. Those are state charges. Civil Rights violations are as far as the Justice Department can go.
I understand all that but as the DA knowing a parallel federal investigation was being conducted and the information shared would it not be a wise move to have the benefit of any additional facts before any decision on what charges to file? Why hurry, the cop is not going any where but to jail if guilty.
I think Wilson knew the risk of being a cop and if he lost it and did something stupid he will rightly suffer the consequences. It may not be and appears not to be a justified shooting. But, I do
seriously wonder why you and ki really give a rip that a thief and bully met an untimely end. You both act as if it was the first time the poor innocent "little boy" strayed from the straight and narrow. If the cop irrationally over reacted or decided to go out that evening and kill a black person then imprison him for life or execute him but don't expect me to blubber about the dead bullying thief that was a good candidate as a future criminal taking things of more value than a $40 box of cigars.
fairmon, Police never do a good job of investigating and disciplining their own, that is a ridiculous assertion.
Teachers certainly don't. The teachers and weak school board members and administrators go all out to protect incompetent teachers. They pass students that can't read or write and do simple math and keep teachers that can't or don't teach.
The medical profession doesn't have an investigative branch and malpractice insurance is out of sight.
At least some police organizations have an effective internal affairs organization. There are policeman that should not be that are bad but no worse than government, educators, medical and others.
ki said....The same way the medical and teaching field had to start seriously discipling, getting rid of, and in some cases having their own prosecuted for illegal, incompetent and criminal behavior.
Who are you kidding? Get rid of all the incompetent teachers and there will be a shortage. Both fields are full of incompetent and those prosecuted really had to have committed a real bad criminal act.
The police, in most cases, do a better job than the organizations you named in investigating and disciplining their own although not in every case especially in smaller towns and cities. The percent incompetent in the police field is not as high as education and medical. The current education system is a sad situation when the dollars spent per student is considered.
alprova said...Since the Attorney General's office jumped in late on this thing, I expect it will take longer for that investigation to be completed, but that has nothing at all to do with the St. Louis County investigation, in which the District Attorney will or will not seek an indictment of Darren Wilson on charges related to the shooting.
I would think that every witness has been interviewed. We know the forensic evidence has been completed.
Did I not see where Holder and company will investigate and decide if it was a hate crime before charges are filed?
I have never understood why exactly the same crime has a less severe punishment in one case vs. another. What brilliant mind decided if a person is killed by another for a certain reason it is not as bad as murdering them for some other reason. Is it a hate crime if a black Muslim kills a KKK member? One problem today that did not exist just a few years ago is the number of laws generated by legislatures, so many no one knows the total count. There are laws that conflict and subject a person to litigation either way they go. A lawyers advice is just pick which you prefer being sued for.
Need a lawyer? Make sure you get a one armed one that can't say well on this hand but on the other hand and btw my fee runs from $350 to $500 an hour.
alprova said...I've read on no one who would go on camera or identify themselves as having seen Michael Brown attacking the officer.
Neither have I but I haven't watched or read everything about the issue. It would take an idiot with the current circumstances to be identified and publicly state such even if it were a fact which no one knows if it is or not at this point.
alprova said..Do you really believe that there is anything more to investigate after two full weeks?
If so, then what?
I don't know ask the AG Eric Holder what the hold up is. You know how sensitive I am I wouldn't care if they put the cop in jail for life or execution and told everyone to go home and quit stealing stuff and destroying hard working peoples business or they would be joining him. Sounds insensitive but anyone wanting to be a cop needs to know the possible consequences.
Don't worry overly much, fairmon. Wilson can likely resign like most cops in trouble and later become a cop elsewhere . Say lak------chattanooga or sumthin'
I read my post because I am not worried at all much less overly so and didn't convey worry. You are the one worried that all police officers in the country are not viewed negatively and treated as criminals. I personally don't give a shat what happens to the cop and I have no remorse for a bully and thief. The conduct and character displayed when he walked back in the store and shoved the scrawny clerk again with the stolen merchandise under his arm said a lot about him. I would prefer the cop hadn't shot him but screw him. He is dead and I don't care and wouldn't care if he were white or some other race. I guess most people think that was the first and only time he stole and bullied someone much smaller.
Ki, not at all. You are. you come across like a desperate person who loves to convict someone with no proof just so it meets your agenda. You're no different than Al Sharpton.
WTF did Al Sharpton do to deserve a put down like that zablee?
Ki and alprova could save the tax payers a lot of money by letting the investigators know the answer now instead of spending all that time completing the investigation.