za - So if the USA hadn't transpired (come about) no one in the industrial revolution would have developed the technological advances? Hmmmm, that sounds really like the distilled exceptionalism I was talking about.
PT, I guess we could go back and review the posts of the few folks who post here to bring those comments back up - who are you trying to fool?
And, btw, what does liberalism have to do with exceptionalism? Nothing. Exceptionalism is simply one of many mindsets that thinks we are better or more gifted than everyone else. A liberal as well as a conservative, a fascist as well as a communist, or fill in the blank can think that way.
Toes sez, "Is there another country that has done more for the good of humanity the the USA?"
Who can challenge the positive accomplishments of modern, mostly America science; but who can challenge its negative accomplishments.
Well let's see; It has amassed more wealth than probably any country in the world yet it uses it to maintain a very high standard of living for itself while much of the rest of the world, and its own poor starve.
People in Chattanooga would rather write off every African american living in the area without a job as worthless rather than help out.
It has supported repressive regimes throughout the world to "serve its national interests," some examples being, the War Between the States, Spanish American War, Viet Nam, Central America, Chile, Afghanistan, Iraq.
It has presided over an almost complete collapse of its own internal spiritual character as a consequence of its greed. As evidence, the mainline denominations that are far more interested in promulgating their denomination and economic bottom line than Christianity.
The problem with exceptionalism is that it demands a conceited view that we are greater and better than everyone else and some how deserving of special treatment epitomized by the slogan, "God is on our side." That is diametrically opposed to Christian behavior. We are exceptional only in how well we have proven our own national bigotry.
Conser they went to the synagogue because they WERE Jews. Read your history. Your selective reading is getting long in tooth. BTW- Also attending the synagogues were "God-fearers," Gentiles who admired Judaism.
Your 10:28 reply pretty much shows you are re-writing and interpreting scripture to suit your own judgmental purposes, I guess the HS is sitting there having coffee with you...(to give you such clarity of vision).
So far conserv has yet to provide any detailed answer to any of the questions, shouldn't we just let him be rather than inflame him? Maybe as Luke 9:49-50 says, he will do some good in spite of himself and the person he influences will read and understand his folly.
Actually conserv, if you read your Christian History carefully you would know that many of the first Christians worshipped in the synagogues on saturday until they were kicked out. Perhaps you should read John and the Johannine letters more closely.
Beyond that, the record is dark in the NT as to when and how Christian congregations met to worship except in house churches. You have to go to 1st/2cd/3rd Century Christian writers such as Iranaeus, Tertullian, Tatian, and others who were the bishops and leaders of the incipient Catholic Church to find out what went on in the churches.
conman insists on dodging the contradiction of his own reality. Conman, read the passages and self-identify. Don't try to pass the buck backwards. Are you judging people, or not? Are you sin-less, or not?
As a classic example of your needing to go back to school: you say, "Revelation was written around 94-96 A. D. The cannon was closed with that book. It was God's last word to mankind."
First of all many scholars agree Revelation was written after the Jerusalem revolt, perhaps in the 90-100CE era, but James was accepted as scripture far later, perhaps in the late second century CE.. Revelation is still debated as to its place in the so-called canon.
Second of all, there was no formal Protestant canon until the confessions of the Protestant Reformation. The Catholic Church had defined its canon but you clearly object to the possibility God could have influenced their decisions. The Gospel was not written in the time of Paul, Paul was not even aware of any written Gospel but his own formulation of it.
Third, most of the Gospels were written in the 90CE -110CE if not a little later; Paul's letters predate them, written in the period 40-70ish CE.
If you are going to put yourself forward as a Biblical scholar, please get up to date on what is known. And don't relay on 30-40 year old (or older) concordances and commentaries.
I know all this uncertainty is going to cause you worry and cause you to look for a port in the storm, but that itself is a demonstration of the nature of faith.
How about reading the scriptural references and you will see exactly what I refer to.
You also need to go to school to read up on the nature of exegesis of the ancient manuscripts, all of which are reproductions of earlier missing texts. The best example is the ending of Mark at 16:8. None of the earliest manuscripts have the longer ending. I could continue to offer you citations but if you will just concentrate on the few I've given you, perhaps we could have a meaningful conversation.
Alprova is getting into the provenance of the canon a debate that while interesting is far afield from the core of Christian teachings that Conman seems to be unaware.
conman is conspicuously avoiding my post :-)
You guys ought to give up on conman, you can't argue with a closed mind
Conman why do you over look John 8:1-10? That passage ought to quench your zeal to condemn other people for anything, which in itself is a serious sin. Or should I refer to Matt 7:1-5 and Luke 6:37-42? If you will read John 4:20-24, you will see that neither the day or the place one worships bears any relationship to one's faith (or is set in stone). If I recall the beautiful stones were pulled down anyway.
I'm not sure what version of scripture you are reading from, but it surely sounds very selective and arbitrary.
Btw, do they have to offer healthcare insurance at all?
Andy my boy, let's go find our sheets, torches, ropes and crosses!