published Tuesday, August 24th, 2010

The Recall Campaign

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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chattreb said...

Sign your petition? Sure. No problem. Always glad to help a good cause.

August 24, 2010 at 3:41 a.m.
OllieH said...

Actually, that's the most convincing reason to sign the recall petition I've heard to date.

August 24, 2010 at 7:19 a.m.
Tax_Payer said...

If the recall numbers are good enough to remove those in office, they already are working on a trump to dictate interpretation of law.

August 24, 2010 at 7:48 a.m.
user_name said...

I wish that signatures from residents in the planned annexation areas could be counted as valid.

August 24, 2010 at 8:06 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Reminds me of a button badge I almost bought in a shop in California all those years ago... "Give me a quarter or I'll touch you"

August 24, 2010 at 8:14 a.m.
harrystatel said...

Absolutely, Mr. Bennett!

Just like the "Freedom Riders", the slave abolitionists, black civil-rights leaders, Jews in Europe in the 1930s, women suffragettes, apartheid in South Africa, colonists in America,. . .

Damn those pesky people! Didn't they know their place? Thanks for reminding us.

http://wp.me/p10KwY-aj

Harry Statel

harrystatel.wordpress.com

August 24, 2010 at 8:45 a.m.
Allison12 said...

Let me see if I understand correctly, groups of citizens follow the City Charter recall provisions to the letter. The media unfairly targets these groups for excersing their right to recall. Mayor and councilmen took oaths to uphold the Charter, but have hired attorneys to fight City Charter recall provisions by filling lawsuits. This is funny in one regard, the Mayor had the authority for 6 years to start a Charter revision process, and was A OK with the Charter until citizens decided to exercise it. Beam me up.

August 24, 2010 at 10:40 a.m.
alprova said...

Any comparison of the effort to recall three leaders of Chattanooga, for what little reason there may exist for those who seem to be unsatisfied with them, to those who fought for civil rights, religious freedom, or to Colonists, is about the most laughable thing I have read to date on the issue.

Mr. Statel, by your own admission, you are against ANYTHING Government, "since 1978," complete with an image of someone flipping the bird on your home page.

How quaint.

In the midst of an elected leadership that in part, is responsible for luring companies into the Chattanooga area that are poised to offer thousands of much needed jobs, in addition to the thousand plus jobs that have been offered to date, you want to upset the apple cart?

Do you really think that you should be taken seriously?

Those that live in the Chattanooga Metro area STILL enjoy some of the lowest property tax rates in the nation. Chattanoogans do not pay income taxes. Chattanooga property owners enjoyed nearly a decade without any property tax increases.

Chattanooga has experienced an intense revitalization over the past decade, which continues to draw people from all over the world.

In the course of my employment, I speak to people from all over the nation and to citizens in Canada, on a daily basis. Not once have I ever had a person mention ANYTHING negative about the city. Does this not speak volumes about the leaders who have worked to boost it's image?

Tax increases are never popular or welcomed. Taxes are a necessary evil, and even if those being targeted by the recall effort are successfully removed from office, the chances of the tax increases being overturned are less than remote.

Chattanooga has been spared the brunt of the current economic woes. The vast majority of the people in this area have been unaffected, or are coping rather well. Very few businesses have gone under and new businesses are still opening in the area.

I doubt very much that the recall effort will succeed. And if it is not, I'm sure you will have lots to write about for months.

Nothing is more entertaining than reading the rants of those who have nothing better to do than to expose their displeasure with everything in life. I quite often prepare a bowl of popcorn and settle in for hours of entertainment when I witness reality sprouting wings that begin flapping relentlessly, and watch it fly out of the chicken coop.

August 24, 2010 at 11:47 a.m.
Salsa said...

If this was Chicago the dead could "sign" and their votes would count.

August 24, 2010 at 11:51 a.m.
Allison12 said...

Alpova, you are so out of touch with this community. The Times Frees Press early this year reported a poverty rate of 24 percent for Chattanooga. That is the problem, there is a disconnect between the leaders and the people.

August 24, 2010 at 11:56 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

I am actually pretty much in agreement with Alprova on this one. I am bothered by the outrageous amount the city is charging for the water runoff and by the property tax increase. However, what I am seeing is that the water runoff is being done this way in many other areas of the U.S. and will probably become the status quo (not sure of spelling). And the tax increase was needed but can't really blame it all on Ron. The council had to agree to it. I am not a financial guru at all so I don't know what other options could have been offered but I tend to think there could have been something a little more fairer than the property tax. I doubt if I could have done any better.

I am also one that belives in paying Ceaser what belongs to him.

On a side note, I am sorry I ever looked at Harry's page. If you have not then I would advise not looking at it.

August 24, 2010 at 12:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Allison12 wrote: "Alpova, you are so out of touch with this community. The Times Frees Press early this year reported a poverty rate of 24 percent for Chattanooga. That is the problem, there is a disconnect between the leaders and the people."


I am hardly "out of touch with this community."

On a national level more people have slipped into poverty as a result of the economy. For most of a year, in terms of earned income, I was one of them myself. That by no measure of the word, means that I was indigent, poor, or impoverished.

I tried in vain to find a published article by the TFP or any other evidence that Chattanooga is suffering a 24% poverty rate. Perhaps you can post a link to it.

The true poverty rate in Chattanooga is somewhere around 18%, but why quibble over numbers? Numbers and statistics never tell the entire story, do they?

Chattanooga has a Mayor who is doing something about the lack of jobs for those who want them. He in fact is largely responsible for wooing employers to this area who will have an impact on the area long after he may pass on from this life.

In the coming months, the jobs market in this area is going to transform dramatically in favor of those who are seeking to find a job.

Even if you and others collect enough legitimate signatures on a recall petition, you have not heard from the other estimated 80,000 eligible voters as to their opinions of Mayor Littlefield. How many of those people have REFUSED to sign the recall petition? More than have signed, I assure you.

Are you so out of touch with reality, that you cannot see what it is in this area that is needed that can and will dramatically reduce poverty rates, at least for those who want to rise above poverty?

I find myself in the rare instance of having to defend a conservative position, but a relatively truthful one. There are a very slim minority of people in this nation who wouldn't work if you dropped a job in their lap. For those people, poverty is indeed a mental disease.

Poverty is not the problem. The problem is that for some strange reason, some people are prone to using poverty as an excuse to blame others for it's existence.

Right now, there are many people who cannot find a decent job. Chattanooga's leaders have been doing their jobs doing something about it. Give them credit where credit is due.

Never forget that whenever you point your index finger at someone, there are always four more pointing straight back at your face.

I know not your circumstance, but if you are an able-bodied person living in poverty, even in today's economic climate, the ONLY person who can begin to do anything about it, is you.

August 24, 2010 at 1:41 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Poverty Rate in Chattanooga

Here is a great site for info on Chattanooga and other cities

http://www.city-data.com/city/Chattanooga-Tennessee.html

August 24, 2010 at 2:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Thank you hotdiggity for the link and for illuminating the fact that my estimate of the poverty rate was off the mark by almost 4%.

I maintain that the quoted percentage of those living in poverty is due in large part to a current lack of higher paying jobs currently available in the area.

Help is on the way.

The people of Chattanooga, as well as those on the Georgia side who have been or will be hired in the future, can thank Chattanooga Mayor Ron Littlefield for his efforts in luring employment to the Chattanooga area.

The way poverty is measured can be very flawed, as most of us know. If one is living by drawing funds from a trust or other funds that may be in reserve, they can and have been counted as living in poverty. Income is not a perfect measure of poverty.

A lottery winner, who pays taxes on their winnings of millions of dollars that they receive in one year, who files a tax return the next, may show no income and thus pay no taxes, and they will be counted as living in poverty, due to a lack of income.

August 24, 2010 at 3:36 p.m.
rolando said...

Allison12: The target of your "out of touch" comment not only doesn't live in Chattanooga, he doesn't even live in Tennessee -- from his own mouth. So it is difficult to understand exactly which "community" it is in which he claims to be "in touch".

But perhaps I misread........

August 24, 2010 at 3:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "Allison12: The target of your "out of touch" comment not only doesn't live in Chattanooga, he doesn't even live in Tennessee -- from his own mouth. So it is difficult to understand exactly which "community" it is in which he claims to be "in touch".

But perhaps I misread........"


Nope, you didn't misread anything. That in no manner means that I am not keenly aware of what goes on in the Chattanooga metro area, nor that I am a disinterested party to all things related to Chattanooga.

Why? Because I have owned a commercial property located within the City limits of Chattanooga since 1995. I collect a very modest check for rent each and every month from that property.

I pay property taxes to the City of Chattanooga. I very much have a vested interest in the leadership of the city, despite the fact that I cannot vote in city elections, strictly due to the location where my head hits a pillow at night.

And even if that were not the case, as a resident of the Chattanooga metro area, I STILL have a right to inform myself to whatever I desire, and to offer my opinion publicly in this forum, just as you do.

Just in case you unaware of the fact, the Chattanooga metro area includes those of us who live in the counties that immediately surround the City of Chattanooga, even south of the border.

From my home, I only have to drive 1/2 mile and I cross into the state of Tennessee and also into the city limits of Chattanooga.

Se what happens when you make uninformed ASSumptions?

Darn that "S" key. It keepS getting Stuck...

August 24, 2010 at 4:25 p.m.
FM_33 said...

If this was Chicago the dead could "sign" and their votes would count. Username: Salsa | On: August 24, 2010 at 11:51 a.m.


LOL...as ruff as that one came out my dear you sure was telling the gospel truth on that post !

August 24, 2010 at 5:18 p.m.
FM_33 said...

And even if that were not the case, as a resident of the Chattanooga metro area, I STILL have a right to inform myself to whatever I desire, and to offer my opinion publicly in this forum, just as you do.

Just in case you unaware of the fact, the Chattanooga metro area includes those of us who live in the counties that immediately surround the City of Chattanooga, even south of the border. Username: alprova | On: August 24, 2010 at 4:25 p.m.


Rolando he was 100% on point with that comment.....sorry.

August 24, 2010 at 5:20 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Poverty Rate in Chattanooga

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/...

Here is a great site for info on Chattanooga and other cities

http://www.city-data.com/city/Chattanoog... Username: hotdiggity | On: August 24, 2010 at 2:21 p.m.


This was some deep stuff here but remember Hotdiggity the greedy city government politican will inflate the poverty numbers on a record so that they can recieve more federal funding each year to gobble up into there own personal coffins.

It's called... Jacking The Federal Piggy Bank ...dry.

August 24, 2010 at 5:27 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I tried in vain to find a published article by the TFP or any other evidence that Chattanooga is suffering a 24% poverty rate. Perhaps you can post a link to it. Username: alprova | On: August 24, 2010 at 1:41 p.m.


Scare tactic from the greedy politican here in Chattanooga TN who loves to suck on that federal govenment milk.

LOL...and it's not the powered form either Alprova.

August 24, 2010 at 5:33 p.m.
FM_33 said...

24% poverty rate here in Chatty Watt...bullcrap !

Hey folks take a hard look at what people are driving around downtown in...... all top of the line cars and SUV's and the whole nine yards.

On the weekend nights they be having a party in almost every major eatery and getting drunk as a fela ! * A St Louis Mo Term *

Poverty my ass !

August 24, 2010 at 5:38 p.m.
FM_33 said...

The people of Chattanooga, as well as those on the Georgia side who have been or will be hired in the future, can thank Chattanooga Mayor Ron Littlefield for his efforts in luring employment to the Chattanooga area. Username: alprova | On: August 24, 2010 at 3:36 p.m.


Hmmm...only if the VW plant will make a decent car that the people in the South and around the country will buy on a consistant bases.

The jobs will remain only if this happens other wise it will close shop and relocte to another location in another state Alprova.

My cousin's husband was working for the NUMMI car plant in Fremont CA and they had to close there plant up for that very reason.

Alprova lets cross our automotive fingers and hope that the curse of NUMMI which was a plant that had been there for a good 20 years or so does not be fall on the VW plant here in Chattanooga TN.

August 24, 2010 at 5:48 p.m.
FM_33 said...

As always thanks Clay for a great cartoon reflecting the times in which we live.

August 24, 2010 at 5:50 p.m.
alprova said...

FM_33 wrote: "Hmmm...only if the VW plant will make a decent car that the people in the South and around the country will buy on a consistant bases."


That holds true for ANY automaker. However, I don't think that VW would be sinking the kind of money that it is involved in building a manufacturing from the ground up, if there was no hope of selling what they build.


"The jobs will remain only if this happens other wise it will close shop and relocte to another location in another state."


I seriously doubt that ever happening. Europeans are not as careless in their decision making when it comes to business matters. They tend to make the right decision the first time around.


"My cousin's husband was working for the NUMMI car plant in Fremont CA and they had to close there plant up for that very reason."


GM pulled out of NUMMI first, during the summer of last year, as we all know, for financial reasons. They had to trim the fat. Toyota pulled out shortly thereafter, then this year sank a deal with Tesla to begin manufacturing electric cars at the Fremont, California plant.

When they gear up production in early 2012, they will be hiring 1,000 people to manufacture the Tesla Model S.


"Alprova lets cross our automotive fingers and hope that the curse of NUMMI which was a plant that had been there for a good 20 years or so does not be fall on the VW plant here in Chattanooga TN."


I don't think that NUMMI, nor the Fremont Plant is cursed, so to speak, nor do I have any doubts that Volkswagen will do well and that they will be happy with the workforce here.

I'll be very interested in what they roll off the line here, and I plan to be among the many who will be purchasing what they produce, especially if it comes equipped with one of their turbo diesel engines.

August 24, 2010 at 8:11 p.m.
Oz said...

I would not worry about the NUMMI curse. Remember VW closed their plant, in Pennsylvania, after the tax breaks ran out. The tax breaks were good for ten years and VW left after 10 years.

alprova...I had you pegged as a Government Motors kind of guy.

August 24, 2010 at 10:07 p.m.
moonpie said...

If the MTAS attorney is correct... this recall is dead in the water.

That would require a LOT more signatures, and I think the state law is a better law.

He said state law requires 15% of Chattanoogans to sign the petition. This is a lot more signatures than 50% of the number who voted for him (just 9000+ signatures).

I think this is a good law because there are many people who don't vote, not because of apathy, but because for many of the races they may care about, the victor is obvious.

For example, Haslam was obviously going to be the victor over Wamp. In some areas, people might not vote simply because they figured, either way, their vote would not matter.

You don't go vote to up the number of signatures needed for a recall.

I know there are a lot of people who feel that non-voters don't have a right to complain. But, of course, they do have the right to complain. They also have the right to be represented by the person they chose by not voting. This is America dang it. You're allowed to vote by abstaining. The constitution does not say your rights to respresentation are diminished by not voting.

So, I favor the tougher state law.

August 24, 2010 at 10:14 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Oz wrote: "alprova...I had you pegged as a Government Motors kind of guy."

You have to give Republicans credit for their slogans. While their arguments are not always rooted in fact, you have to give them props for sound bites.

Government Motors. The phrase was born for a bumper sticker and it sums up Obama's GM bailout. Another colossal waist of taxpayer money.

Unfortunately, for those of who still read and pay attention, you run across stuff like this if you aren't careful.

An article by Caitlin Huey-Burns in "U.S. News & World Report," points out: "A little over a year after filing for bankruptcy, General Motors took the initial steps last week to break free from its majority shareholder—the government. By filing the paperwork for an initial public offering, GM signaled it is ready to shake off its pejorative recent nickname, Government Motors."

Dang! Well, maybe the hicks and yokels who don't read none too good, and the true believers who ignore all the good news, won't notice.

But don't you just love the sound bite: GOVERNMENT MOTORS!

August 24, 2010 at 11:40 p.m.
rolando said...

Fact remains, FM, he is neither a resident of Chattanooga nor a resident of Tennessee. He has no dog in the fight -- neither does the Canadian, for that matter.

August 25, 2010 at 12:36 a.m.
alprova said...

Oz wrote: "alprova...I had you pegged as a Government Motors kind of guy."


Naw...I've had a couple of GM products, but none that I kept for very long. I bought a 1984 Z-28, which was the most uncomfortable car I ever had the displeasure to drive, and a 1997 Buick Lesabre Limited Edition, which was probably the most comfortable car to drive that I ever owned.

My two favorite cars were a 1987 Rabbit diesel and a 1985 Mercedes 300D. Both were diesels, and I racked up nearly 200,000 miles on each of them before I began to start worrying about their dependability and traded them. I used both of them for business.

That Rabbit wasn't the most comfortable vehicle in the world, but from day one to the last day I drove the thing, that car consistently got 40 miles per gallon plus out of a gallon of fuel on the interstate.

German technology is great, until something goes wrong. Then you can have a headache on your hands. I've been lucky not to have experienced some of the nightmares that some people I know had with their vehicles.

You couldn't run me down to GIVE me an Audi or a BMW. After a couple of years, those vehicles will dollar you to death.

The idea of a mid-sized Volkswagen appeals to me very much, which is why I am very interested in seeing exactly what they will finally crank out of the plant.

I've seen two versions of the NMS online. One I like. The other I don't. And chances are that the final product will be nothing like either of them.

So...I wait patiently to see what pops out off the assembly line in Choo Choo.

August 25, 2010 at 1:29 a.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "Fact remains, FM, he is neither a resident of Chattanooga nor a resident of Tennessee. He has no dog in the fight -- neither does the Canadian, for that matter."


Rolando, why don't you go sit on a snake?

Your personal opinions have never been strictly limited to any issue where you may or may not have a stake involved in it, now have they?

If you did indeed practice what you preach, then you'd be very silent when it comes to any issue surrounding social programs. You're not a sponsor of such programs. You never were. You're a recipient.

That has never stopped you from typing away as if you have generated one cent of tax revenue and paid it to the Government. You haven't and you never will.

Good Gosh, you are such a hypocrite, and a petulant child to boot.

Now go pout in the corner until you can play like a good boy.

August 25, 2010 at 1:53 a.m.
FM_33 said...

Username: alprova | On: August 24, 2010 at 8:11 p.m.


Thank you for the update and the correction sir.

August 25, 2010 at 12:58 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Fact remains, FM, he is neither a resident of Chattanooga nor a resident of Tennessee. He has no dog in the fight -- neither does the Canadian, for that matter. Username: rolando | On: August 25, 2010 at 12:36 a.m.


Ok....Woof !

August 25, 2010 at 1 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Screw German cars folks the German women rock !

August 25, 2010 at 1:02 p.m.
FM_33 said...

That has never stopped you from typing away as if you have generated one cent of tax revenue and paid it to the Government. You haven't and you never will.

Good Gosh, you are such a hypocrite, and a petulant child to boot.

Now go pout in the corner until you can play like a good boy. Username: alprova | On: August 25, 2010 at 1:53 a.m.


Gessh that was ruff !

Alprova do you happen to now hin personaly ?

How do you know how many jobs that man has had ?

August 25, 2010 at 1:05 p.m.
commonsense2010 said...

The fact that the state rule trumps the local charter is hogwash. Just as the Feds don't have the right to trump state laws. The founding fathers set up our constitution so that states would have protection from an overstepping federal government. Cities and Counties have the same rights from an aggressive state legislature.

August 25, 2010 at 5:43 p.m.
Oz said...

blackwater48...I have owned plenty of GM vehicles and would like to upgrade my Tahoe for something more fuel efficent. However, it will not be a GM vehicle.

I have owned predominately Chevrolet vehicles over the last 30 years but I am done with them. The government, not GM, closed my local Chevrolet dealer. I will be buying imports in the future.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/obamas_mandate_for_sacrifice_c.html

August 25, 2010 at 8:29 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Why recall our mayor? Because, in running for reelection, he didn't bring up annexation or wastewater runoff or a tax increase, or tax-paid public art. He should've raised these issues loudly during the election, not kept his mouth shut. And I think Libertarians could balance the budget without raising taxes. www.lohr84.com (relevant as background to what I post.)

August 26, 2010 at 6:41 a.m.
rolando said...

"Woof", FM??? Really??? You do realize what you are admitting to, right? You might want to delete that one...

August 27, 2010 at 3:41 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Woof", FM??? Really??? You do realize what you are admitting to, right? You might want to delete that one... Username: rolando | On: August 27, 2010 at 3:41 p.m.


Duh where was your mind going to ? Hmmmm you're telling on yourself !

August 27, 2010 at 4:24 p.m.
FM_33 said...

The thumb down troll.......* !

August 27, 2010 at 4:26 p.m.
JasonMcG said...

MTAS Attorney Says He Overlooked Section In His Recall Opinion http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_183296.asp

He retracted his opinion that the state law prevails, and says the City Charter numbers are the ones that prevail

September 3, 2010 at 7:13 p.m.
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