published Monday, December 26th, 2011

Chattanooga: 9 shot on Christmas Eve outside Club Fathom

by Naomi Jagoda
 Investigators William Salyers and Heather Williams collect a bullet casing on Sunday as evidence from a shooting in a parking lot at the corner of 4th and Cherry Streets in downtown Chattanooga. The shooting happened around midnight on Christmas Eve leaving nine people wounded.
Investigators William Salyers and Heather Williams collect a bullet casing on Sunday as evidence from a shooting in a parking lot at the corner of 4th and Cherry Streets in downtown Chattanooga. The shooting happened around midnight on Christmas Eve leaving nine people wounded.
Photo by Alex Washburn /Chattanooga Times Free Press.
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The Christmas Eve shootings that left nine people wounded took place outside a downtown Chattanooga church and teen club where multiple fights have occurred in recent years.

Chattanooga police said nine young people were shot when rival gang members began firing at each other in a crowd of about 400 teens leaving a Christmas Eve event at Club Fathom, 400 Cherry St.

One off-duty officer also fired shots after someone pointed a gun at him, police said.

Police believe the Club Fathom brawl led to at least two other incidents, including another shooting near College Hill Courts.

A sign on the window of Mosaic Church, 412 Market St., advertised a candlelight Christmas Eve service from midnight to 1 a.m. The Club Fathom event was billed online as a party, where no ID was required. One advertisement featured a busty woman in red lingerie and a Santa hat.

Club Fathom is listed as a teen-centered outreach ministry of Mosaic Church on the Mosaic. They share the same building. Mosaic Church pastor Tim Reid could not be reached for comment Sunday. A sign on the Cherry Street entrance advertises River City Church, whose pastor is listed on that website as Martin Scott.

Five juveniles and four adults were shot in the melee. One adult and two juveniles were hospitalized with injuries not believed to be life-threatening, Chattanooga Police spokeswoman Sgt. Jerri Weary said.

She said while officers were trying to identify the shooters, one person pointed his gun at Officer Jacques Weary, who had been moonlighting at the club for the event.

Officer Weary wasn’t injured, and the suspect escaped, Jerri Weary said. She said Jacques Weary is her former husband.

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    A man walks past Mosaic Church, which doubles as Club Fathom, on Christmas Day in downtown Chattanooga. Late Saturday night, violence erupted in a crowd of people leaving the venue and nine people were shot, none fatally.
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Jacques Weary was put on administrative leave, as is standard for an officer-involved shooting. The internal affairs division will conduct a parallel investigation with the major crimes division to examine the officer’s shooting, Jerri Weary said.

Shortly after the shootings at Cherry Street, police were called by homeowners at 2505 Oak St. near Parkridge Medical Center.

Homeowners told police that Club Fathom shooting suspects were in front of their house, threatening to “shoot it up,” Jerri Weary said. She said no suspects were at the scene when police arrived.

But a neighbor who asked to remain anonymous said he saw officers detain several men. He said he saw police draw handguns and shotguns in the front yard of the home. Afterward, he said, police had two men, wearing skullcaps, bent over the hood of his car and had guns drawn at another man in a nearby white car.

“It was a lot of yelling,” the man said. “They told me to get back in the house. I couldn’t figure out what was going on.”

The lights were off Sunday evening at 2505 Oak St. A man answered the door, but said the residents were not home.

Another man, 18-year-old Thomas Heffner, was shot in the hand early Sunday near College Hill Courts, a Chattanooga Housing Authority public housing project. His mother, who didn’t share her name, said Heffner had been at Fathom earlier in the night. He was shot outside her home before being treated on scene by paramedics.

She said a friend earlier warned him about people in a black Chevy car with tinted windows. Police said Heffner’s attacker stepped from the rear of such a vehicle and began firing.

Weary said Heffner and other witnesses weren’t able to provide any information about the attacker.

A history of trouble

Club Fathom has had a history of trouble near its downtown location. Affiliated with Mosaic Church, the Market Street building also has a sign for River City Church.

On July 30, 2006, three stabbings took place in a nearby parking lot after about 500 people were thrown out of Club Fathom and gathered nearby.

Police told the Times Free Press that patrons reported more than a dozen misdemeanor and felony assaults in a five-month period that year.

And in June and July of 2009, shootings occurred in parking lots near the club, though police told the Times Free Press at the time that the club couldn’t be blamed for them.

Mayor Ron Littlefield intervened at the time, and Reid, the pastor, temporarily stopped youth weekend night activities that summer.

Kim White, chief executive officer of the downtown development group RiverCity Co., said Club Fathom is one of a few problem bars, restaurants and establishments that the city should declare a nuisance and close.

“It’s unfortunate that police ... have to use their resources like that on Christmas Eve,” White said.

about Kevin Hardy...

Kevin rejoined the Times Free Press in August 2011 as the Southeast Tennessee K-12 education reporter. He worked as an intern in 2009, covering the communities of Signal Mountain, Red Bank, Collegedale and Lookout Mountain, Tenn. A native Kansan, Kevin graduated with bachelor's degrees in journalism and sociology from the University of Kansas. After graduating, he worked as an education reporter in Hutchinson, Kan., for a year before coming back to Chattanooga. Honors include a ...

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fftspam said...

And Mayor Ron Littlefield is still MIA.

December 26, 2011 at 4:34 a.m.
fftspam said...

The "non profit" Fathom Inc is registered to TIMOTHY W REID, 8224 TYNE RIDGE RD CHATTANOOGA TN 37421-1224

December 26, 2011 at 5:37 a.m.
holdout said...

What exactly do you think is going on that the cops won't reveal? I read the article twice and I just don't get where you are going with that.

December 26, 2011 at 5:39 a.m.
patriot1 said...

I really enjoy going downtown but getting shot is just not worth it.

December 26, 2011 at 6:47 a.m.
fftspam said...

Downtown is really okay.. Just steer clear of this pseudo 'church' that hosts hip-hop shows that attract hundreds of minors. If you are white it is okay... this is just black on black crime.

December 26, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
MasterChefLen said...

Unfortunately, Mayor Ron Littlefied is too busy helping his buddy Paul Page (a serial sexual harasser), annexing areas against their will, bullying judges in pet shop cases, alienating the police force, trying to shove metro rule down the throats of the county citizens, taking expensive trips to Europe, and filing lawsuits against the citizens to try to keep his job, rather than realizing there is a crime problem in Chattanooga and working to resolve it.

December 26, 2011 at 8:43 a.m.

One off-duty officer also fired shots after someone pointed a gun at him, police said

Is this what the off duty officer said? Or were there witnesses?

Also, it was stunning to see from this story one of the 6 officers involved in that other tragic shooting where they fired over 50+ shots at a man in 2009, hitting him over 40+? times, are still working at the police department. Then I checked only to find all, with the exception of one, are still employees of CPD. The lone one that left actually quit on her own, married and moved away to another state.

December 26, 2011 at 8:59 a.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

We should have known it would not take long for the I hate Mayor Littlefield haters to come out of hiding.

taking expensive trips to Europe,

You consider $6000 to Europe an expensive trip? You guys have no doubt spent 1000x that amount trying to get rid of the mayor. Now, you're pis*sded that he just then tuck and just crawl away.

December 26, 2011 at 9:10 a.m.
MasterChefLen said...

It's expensive when the city has to raise property taxes to make ends meet. What do all the "I love Mayor Ron Littlefied" people have to say about his buddy Paul Page? The mayor hired him, the city retaliated against 2 of the ladies Paul Page harassed (according to the Federal EEOC). Mayor Littlefield was silent through the entire ordeal, and instead of firing him (which would have happened in the private sector), allowed him to resign and get a yearly pension.

December 26, 2011 at 9:20 a.m.
eileen said...

Thank you Chattanooga Police for your efforts at attempting to control this public disturbance. It must be very dangerous to be wearing a uniform in the midst of such a melee; and also during follow-up attempts to arrest the violators on their home territory.

December 26, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
fftspam said...

Read this slowly... "She said while officers were trying to identify the shooters, one person pointed his gun at Officer Jacques Weary, who had been moonlighting at the club for the event." The way that this is written.... Shots were fired. Then Officers were trying to identify the shooter. Then one person pointed a gun at Jacques Weary.

Is that correct? AFTER shots were fired CPD was trying to identify the shooter THEN one person pointed a gun at Jacques Weary?

December 26, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.
MasterChefLen said...

The story also fails to mention the "grassy knoll" nearby.

December 26, 2011 at 9:54 a.m.
duckhunter said...

There must be a way to exterminate these gangs in Chattanooga. We should start by getting rid of Section 8 housing. Or we need a much better screening system in place. Maybe drug testing?

December 26, 2011 at 10:12 a.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

@duckhunter. Huh? Can you run that one by us again? What do drug testing, section 8 housing and gangs have to do with one another? No one knows for sure where these individuals live. What excuse would you use if it's found that most involved own their own homes? Are not on section 8 and are not drug addicts? What if Weary made that story up about having a gun pointed at him to justify firing his service weapon into a crowd? Was Weary in uniform since he was moonlighting at the club? Was he wearing any type of clothing or markings where he could be distinguished from just another citizen (or gangbanger as you all like to lable every situation involving inner city youth) patronizing the club?

It is quite odd, that all these trouble spots were target for genrification over decade ago to make way for higher tax paying Chattanoogans, but the people weren't moving out fast enough so more drastic actions needed to be taken.

December 26, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.
lookinfour said...

World n Topsy...those officers were cleared so yes they still are employed. Are you insinuating their response to this incident was wrong or is it the police fault for the shooting? Should the officer had just asked the gun bandit to please stop pointing your gun at me. Ridiculous to even be saying those things at this point. What are teens doing out downtown at midnight on Christmas Eve anyway.

Amnesti....yes, $6000 is expensive for a trip during economic uncertainty. That mentality of its just 6000 dollars is the problem with politicians today. They should be spending money as if they dont have money. You can't tell me that the knowledge they learned could have been learned some other way at no cost, say books, videos, Internet, teleconferencing,etc. Maybe they saw something they liked. Maybe there is something good they could recommend here. The issue is that right now is not the time for this type of trip. A vacation is not the way to spend taxpayer money.

December 26, 2011 at 10:48 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

"“It’s unfortunate that police ... have to use their resources like that on Christmas Eve,” White said." Sorry Kim, we pay their salary, they are supposed to do what they do (legally).

If you try to attract teenagers who are in the "at-risk" category to offer positive alternatives, you probably are going to attract the folks (gangs?) who don't want that to happen. Do we check ID's at the church door, color of skin, current or past religious belief, or nationality?

I don't know whether this Mosaic Church and related club are on the up and up, I imagine i not there will be some legal charges? Nevertheless, some variation on the idea is probably the only way we will see help extended to these kids.

December 26, 2011 at 11:48 a.m.
TennRaider said...

Chattanooga police dont have the capabilities to know when these gangs are going to meet up and rumble, like they did Christmas morning in Chattanooga? No wonder the gangs are running Chattanooga at night.

December 26, 2011 at 12:56 p.m.
nucanuck said...

Maybe the club-goers would have been safer if they had been better armed. I keep reading how guns make you safe.

December 26, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
holdout said...

How would that be done Tenn Raider?

December 26, 2011 at 1:44 p.m.
chet123 said...

Chattanooga police are looking like CHarlie Chaplin and the KEYSTONE COPS....maybe policeman out harassing the Law-abiding citizens....on minor traffic belts, speed traps ect....

Its not like Chattanooga dont have a history with this same group....only a couple of mile west lies a LArge housing project with only a few traditional/nucleus families.....Very few men in household.....this group spill over into downtown every holidays......its a dont have to be a genius to figure it out!!!!

December 26, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
smokey said...

There is solution to Juvenille crime it is called a SEVERE PUNISHMENT. These kids NEED a FATHER image like a Drill Sargent. If you go back 40 years when I was a young teen the "FEAR OF GOD" was the best way to stop crime. A DETERENT by using a "DISCIPLINE" called the ARMY DRAFT (enlistment) if you got arrested your choice was Jail or the MILITARY. IF you also dropped out of school or had failing grades the MILITARY would get your DRAFT # and away you go to "LEARN A TRADE" The drill sargents would really HELP these YOUTHS get an EDUCATION about the REAL WORLD. By the way MY father was a Marine Drill sargent so he sent me to a Military High School to learn discipline. Some how it worked.

December 26, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

lookingfour, cleared doesn't mean the officers were in the right. Nor does saying a weapon was pointed at them makes it the truth. They were just as likely advised to make sure their stories matched.

What would you prefer the mayor do? Just sit and not try to do anything to draw jobs to the area? The mayor must be doing something right. Chattanooga hasn't suffered as greatly recession wise as many other cities have.

December 26, 2011 at 3:01 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

@smokey said... If you go back 40 years when I was a young teen the "FEAR OF GOD" was the best way to stop crime

Really? Then why was crime just as prevalent 40 years ago, more so even, than it is today?

The truth of the matter is, none of these crimes are going away until the wealthy who've back into the downtown area has their way. The same tactics used in an attempt to run the homeless from downtown Chattanooga. The desire is to make those areas exclusive and only where a very select few will be allowed to live, work, and play. Don't forget, Chattanooga use to practice sundowning too.

December 26, 2011 at 3:07 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

@duckhunter said... There must be a way to exterminate

Wow! exterminate! Sounds so HitlerISH! And when it's your turn? Who will be left to speak out for you?

December 26, 2011 at 3:11 p.m.
johnnyhurst said...

Shut down the projects and spread the gangs throughout the entire city, brilliant.

December 26, 2011 at 3:14 p.m.
patriot1 said...

How about Eric Holder and his "just us" department implementing a Fast and Furious campaign in Chattanooga....more arms should help the situation.

December 26, 2011 at 3:43 p.m.
primitive said...

"A sign on the window of Mosaic Church, 412 Market St., advertised a candlelight Christmas Eve service from midnight to 1 a.m. The Club Fathom event was billed online as a party, where no ID was required. One advertisement featured a busty woman in red lingerie and a Santa hat."

I'm still trying to figure this establishment out. So there is a Mosaic Church and a Club Fathom. Two separate places?

How in the whole history of Christianity could one possibly reconcile a so-called vigil service for Christmas with advertising as mentioned and this party atmosphere. There is no "vigil" and "party" together. Those words cannot go hand in hand. Shut this place down. St. Paul would have a field day!

December 26, 2011 at 3:43 p.m.
skyboxer said...

The city needs to build road barricades in and out of College Hill courts and do a driver's license check on every vehicle coming in and out of that "neighborhood." Much of the crime which is infesting the immediate downtown area is emanating from there. We starting using this tactic out in Los Angeles a few years ago when I was part of the Rampart division and it worked wonders!

If you're white you don't have much to worry about however since most of the crime is after dark and black on black. (Just take cover or hit the ground if you hear gunfire nearby and you'll probably be just fine.)

That said, there have been an increasing number of white folks in the downtown area (including Southside) gettin jacked up by folks from the hood over the course of the last year or two, and sometimes in broad daylight.

Regardless of your race if you're worried about being a victim of crime you should get your concealed carry weapon permit ASAP. You have a right to defend yourself against the predatory criminal elements that infect our society.

December 26, 2011 at 4:48 p.m.
pikeville said...

The fact that these participants were" black" have absolutely nothing to do with a solution. In Portland Or. they have a problem with skinheads. The solution to their problem is not "they are white" When youth are not raised right black or white,what do you expect the result to be a PHD ?. These youth can turn their lives around with the proper guidance and structure. No you can't reach all of them, but the majority can be taught responsibility and the real meaning of respect (NOT FEAR) Some will fall through the cracks and end up dead or in DOC, but the ones that do learn is the solution. If you notice the words taught and learn are being used. What if you had been taught by your parents to hate a person because of their skin color, or because of the color shirt they wore ? Where would you be? Some of these youth "will learn with a feather, others will learn with a sledgehammer." The important thing to the law abiding citizen is that they learn. There is a place that specializes in this type youth and has the highest success rates in the state. Even though they accept the problems the other YDCs don't want. It is one hour from Chattanooga in rural Bledsoe County. Here the youth can be removed from the toxic environment they came from. Life skills,A&D, anger control, moral reasoning, are taught with the vigilance of a war. The people take great pride in their success and great disappointment in their failure. Skin color or affiliation have nothing to do with it. Their recidivism rate ( return to custody) speaks for itself. The new administration in Nashville says there is no need for this place anymore. They say it is worth a 4 million dollar savings to close this teaching and learning environment. I say they are WRONG!!! If you are interested in crime in your neighborhood and the REAL TRUTH. Come to Bledsoe County Courthouse January 3rd at 5:00 pn (CST) and listen to the truth and the correct numbers about Taft Youth Center. This is the oldest employer in this area. They have rehabilitated the worst of the worst for over 90 years. Ask the mother who was in the Times Free Press article last week what she thinks about the way her son was returned. Ask Lookout Valley Football team, Silverdale Baptist, Notre Dame, Whitwell, Oakdale, Harriman what they think about the sportsmanship and respect that is shown every Friday night by the youth the others don't want or can't handle. These youth are the same youth who are shooting up the streets of Chattanooga. The difference is the youth involved in the shooting haven't been taught the life skills it takes to participate in a unsupervised Christmas Party. COME AND SUPPORT THESE PEOPLE!!! THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!

December 26, 2011 at 4:58 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Welcome_2...ah, yes. Cleared means the officers were in the right and justified in what they did.

For you to blame the "wealthy" living downtown on the 9 people being shot is about as crazy as it gets. Crimes like this will continue until the wealthy get their way? What is their way. I would imagine the wealthy living downtown were either asleep or inside with their families at the time of this shooting. I assume you've got some big metaphoric example of the ruthless wealthy people and the poor impoverished people to illustrate a non-point. Somehow you brought the homeless into this shooting story as well.

How about this. How about the parents of these hoodlums take some responsibility for once. Stop pushing blame onto everyone and everything else on why your kids are so screwed up and out of control. It's the pushing blame onto everyone else like Welcome_2 is doing that is the problem.

December 26, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

@skyboxer said... skyboxer said... The city needs to build road barricades in and out of College Hill courts and do a driver's license check on every vehicle coming in and out of that "neighborhood." Much of the crime which is infesting the immediate downtown area is emanating from there. We starting using this tactic out in Los Angeles a few years ago when I was part of the Rampart division and it worked wonders!

You lost all respect and credibility when you mentioned being a part of the murderous, drug dealing, drug abusers L.A. Rampart division of LAPD. Did you come to Chattanooga to hide out? Or are you in Chattanooga to commit more dirt? For some reason dirty cops from elsewhere seem to feel safe and protected in Chattanooga.


"More than 70 police officers in the CRASH Rampart unit were implicated in misconduct, making it one of the most widespread cases of documented police misconduct in United States history. The convicted offenses include unprovoked shootings, unprovoked beatings, planting of evidence, framing of suspects, stealing and dealing narcotics, bank robbery, perjury, and covering up evidence of these activities."

Do Chattanooga and Chattanoogans a favor. Go back to Los Angeles where you belong and leave decent Chattanooga cops to do their jobs. Oh! As an added incentive, you can take the bad apples with you.

December 26, 2011 at 6:12 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

skyboxer said... You have a right to defend yourself against the predatory criminal elements that infect our society.

The above does include the predatory criminal element cops that have infected the profession and our society over the years, right?

December 26, 2011 at 6:17 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

@lookinfour said... Welcome_2...ah, yes. Cleared means the officers were in the right and justified in what they did

Not really, lookinfour. It just means cops are held to a lesser standard of expectations and accountability than the general population.

See my post to skyboxer, a former member of LAPD Rampart Division. Now he's here in Chattanooga? Why? Maybe Chief Dodds could first start at who the dept. hires from other agencies if he's really concerned about crime in Chattanooga. Plus, get a better handle on his officers, their confidential informants what they are being allowed to get away with committing out there in the streets? Who's really riding around firing shots from inside these mysterious vehicles that suddenly seemingly disappear into thin air?

December 26, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Welcome_2, you're funny. Clueless. But funny. Thanks for the laughs.

December 26, 2011 at 6:41 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

U R welcome, lookinfour {sarcasm}

Clueless? Gurl, you don't even know the meaning.

December 26, 2011 at 7 p.m.
Welcome_2 said...

TFP is in need of some serious investigative reporters. I was once told some time ago by a retired cop that Chattanooga has become a safe haven for bad cops who've gotten into some serious trouble elsewhere. I was reminded of this again when skyboxer mentioned he'd once been a part of the brutal, corrupt LAPD Ramopart Division which I do belive became so out of control and corrupt that it had to be discontinued. Uncover and expose the real crooks and you might just solve most, maybe all, of the problems with crimes Chattanooga is struggling with.

December 26, 2011 at 7:05 p.m.
bluedagger said...

A quote from our mayor Ron Littlefield as quoted in a TFP story on 10/30/11: "...sufficient resources are in place to tackle the city’s gang issue until the plan gets under way." ~Ron Littlefield.

What a cluless comment to make then. I wonder if he still feels this way now.

December 26, 2011 at 9 p.m.
spinarooni said...

Did I miss when Skyboxer stated he was an officer with the CPD? I know that he mentioned a tactic that was employed by the now defunct Rampart Division of the LAPD in the 80s and 90's, but missed that he stated he worked here. I guess that Welcome_2 is just jumping to their own conclusions.

Also, the officers involved in the tragic death of Mr. Heyward were cleared by EVERYONE who looked at the evidence, including a federal judge whose summation of the situation was quite stellar. He pretty much stated when an officer tells you to put a gun down, put the gun down.

Officer Weary was working an extra job in uniform at the club/church (which does not have a beer license and does not serve alcohol) when this transpired.

Finally, how did this become the police departments fault? 400 people ranging from 15-25 at a "club" on Christmas Eve shooting at each other? I live next door to an officer who had to go in (even though he is off) at midnight and did not get off until 10 AM. He missed his children open presents because of this situation. It may be his job, one he does really well, but enough is enough.

December 26, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.
Lr103 said...

Since this is apparently an all out effort to make downtown exclusive to a certain class and ethnic group only, andas some are calling for the demolishing of public housing, is it really necessary to destroy another entire generation, class and ethnic group in order to accomplish that goal?

December 26, 2011 at 9:55 p.m.
midnitewatchman said...

There USED to be a police precint downtown close to where all this is going on. There also USED to be a precint close to where an officer was killed recently. Most larger cities have multiple precints. Chattanooga had this and seemed good in preperation for our growing city but they were closed to be moved to the farmers market. Its like this branch of city goverment was taking two steps forward and has gone 10 steps back. What do the citizens think about losing precints in their areas? All of the changes made to the police department, have they benefited the citizens of chattanooga? A radio talk show host said a 100k here and there spent on art and other stuff is not going to make a big difference on big ticket budget items. Maybe that 100k to have a precint in your neighborhood would make a difference?

December 26, 2011 at 9:58 p.m.
Lr103 said...

What's clueless about the mayor's statement, bluedagger? We realize there are individuals trying to force the mayor's hand. Who knows what they're capable of doing, or even causing, in an effort to force their agenda?

December 26, 2011 at 10:04 p.m.
lookinfour said...

spinarooni, you're just sprouting out the facts. Welcome_2 and a couple others here don't seem to care about facts. Only excuses for gun wielding bandits. Now I read the downtown wealthy are being blamed for nine people being shot. Typical, take no responsibility, blame others, society, the wealthy, the anything...

December 26, 2011 at 10:09 p.m.
lookinfour said...

Okay Lr103, what are the specific names of the individuals trying to force the mayors hand? What specifically are you suggesting these named individuals are capable of doing or able to cause? Specifically what is their agenda?

What are the names of these people? Specifics please, not wordy and vague generalizations that conclude nothing.

December 26, 2011 at 10:15 p.m.
discipline101 said...

Discipline REALLY needs to be brought back and hard! Most of these kids have never had a parent teach them right from wrong. When people used to spank their kids you didn't hear all this crap about gangs. And people really wonder what is wrong.....

December 26, 2011 at 10:29 p.m.
holdout said...

The problem with what you are asking for discipline is that the parent, grandparents, and some great grandparents of the problems were raised in exactly the same way.

December 27, 2011 at 8:58 a.m.
skyboxer said...

I proudly served with L.A.P.D.'s Rampart division for many years before retiring. The division was much maligned by the press and most everything anyone reads about it is Google B.S. It was an outstanding program that generated outstanding results. We never violated anyone's civil rights. 99% of the citizenry loved us because we got results. You've got to understand that when your city is in danger of being overun by the criminal element you have to impose your will. So all you nay sayers take your namby pamby patty cake kid glove hand wringing b.s. somewhere else.

December 27, 2011 at 2:06 p.m.

Club fathom and Mosaic church are separate in events, but the same as far as the folks who run them and pastor them. There is also a place that pays alot of money to be there and hosts all ages concerts and events called the Warehouse ( They are great people and work hard at what they do.

I'm curious to know why the promoter who put on this event is not being held accountable for this? Club fathom never actually puts on the events, its always outside promoters who bring these "parties" in

December 27, 2011 at 4:32 p.m.
thunderdan said...

To be clear:

In addition to Qdoba and Sing It or Wing It, several other entities use the building at 412 Market Street. The Warehouse, for example, uses part of the space as a music venue. (

Mosaic Church (pastored by Tim Reid) leases most of the building, including the Market Street entrance. The space known as Club Fathom is also the space where Mosaic meets on Sundays at 5.

Club Fathom is a ministry of Mosaic Church. The link between Club Fathom and Mosaic varies. Sometimes, the church organizes events as outreach; at other times, it simply rents the venue to groups.

The same space is rented by River City Church, an unaffiliated Acts29 church. At 11 am on Sundays, River City meets in the same space as Mosaic / Fathom.

Ironically, the parking lot in the rear is maintained and used (during working hours) by the police department.

December 28, 2011 at 12:16 a.m.
fftspam said...


No sh*t. Imagine Hamilton Place Mall. You have building owned by an owner and that owner leases individual spaces within the building. SIng it or Wing it is a tenant in the building. Qdoba is a tenant in the building. They do not 'use' the building, they rent the space they are in. These other tenants have absolutely nothing to do with the space that Tim Reid rents....The space that Tim Reid collects money from hosting events at his 'non profit marriage counseling center." When River City Church pays 'rent' who do they pay it to? When Warehousevenue pays for using the space... who do they pay it to? And you further prove your stupidity in all this... What Irony? The parking lot is maintained by the CPD.. WHAT? The lot is owned by Unum.

December 28, 2011 at 6:40 a.m.
fftspam said...

Warehousevenue... you are party promoters? Correct?

December 28, 2011 at 6:50 a.m.
fftspam said...

The website for Warehousevenue states that it is a non-profit.. "All donations are tax deductable and will go towards keeping our doors open to the community." can you thunderdan provide any documentation proving that? I can not seem to find anything. All I can find regarding warehousevenue is this: Whitaker, Casey Warehouse Venue 1111 South Crest Rd. Rossville, Georgia 30741 United States (423) 718-3971

December 28, 2011 at 7:08 a.m.
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