published Sunday, July 24th, 2011

States get tough on illegal immigration

Georgia Sen. Jeff Mullis, R-Chickamauga, speaks during an interview about illegal immigration.
Georgia Sen. Jeff Mullis, R-Chickamauga, speaks during an interview about illegal immigration.
Photo by Dan Henry.
Between Two Worlds


• Alabama: HB 56, signed June 9, 2011: Requires state and local law enforcement to try to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop or arrest for another reason, except if it may hinder or obstruct an investigation. It creates state penalties for willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document of up to 30 days in jail and $100 for a first offense.

Effective April 1, 2012, public contractors and subcontractors are required to use E-Verify; public schools (K-12) are required to determine a student’s immigration status and submit annual reports to the state education board; bans illegal immigrants from attending college or receiving any state scholarships, grants or financial aid; prohibits illegal immigrants from receiving any state or local public benefits, with some exemptions including emergency health care; makes it illegal to knowingly transport or rent to an unauthorized immigrant; and requires a person to present proof of citizenship and residency before voting.

• Georgia: HB 87, signed May 13, 2011: Parts blocked by a federal injunction. People who, while committing another criminal offense, knowingly and intentionally transport or harbor an illegal immigrant can be charged with a misdemeanor and face up to 12 months in jail and a $1,000 fine for the first offense.

Law enforcement officials can check a person’s immigration status if that person is suspected to have broken a law and use any reasonable means to determine his or her legal status, including detaining or arresting the person. Anyone who has contact with law enforcement to report a crime, as a witness to a crime or as a victim of a crime, cannot be required to prove their legal status, according to an exception clause in the law.

Beginning Jan. 1, 2012, people who apply for public benefits, such as housing assistance, food stamps and business licenses, must provide a “secure and verifiable” document to show proof of legal residence.

Private employers with more than 10 employees will need to use the federal work authorization program known as E-verify to check their employees status.

• Tennessee: SB 1669: Requires employers with six or more employees to enroll in E-Verify or confirm that employees have drivers’ licenses from states with license requirements as strict as Tennessee’s.

Source: National Conference of State Legislatures; Georgia General Assembly, Tennessee Immigrant and Refugees Rights Coalition

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These days, immigration is a perpetual topic of debate in almost every state legislature.

Year after year, states across the nation grapple with immigration, and lawmakers introduce more and more bills to deal with the issue.

In the first quarter of 2011, legislators in the 50 states and Puerto Rico introduced 1,538 bills and resolutions relating to immigrants and refugees, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. That’s up from the 1,180 bills introduced during the first quarter of 2010.

In the sessions that ended earlier this year, Georgia and Alabama became part of a growing but limited list of states that followed Arizona in passing some of the nation’s toughest laws on illegal immigration.

In 2006, Georgia had passed what was then considered to be the toughest immigration law in the nation but was surpassed by Arizona in 2010.

This year, Georgia and Alabama and a handful of other states enacted laws that allow police officers to ask about the immigration status of people they stop, mandate the use of a federal program to verify an employee’s eligibility to work and increase penalties for using fake documents to obtain work.

“First of all, we realize that this country was founded on immigrants. My ancestors are from Europe primarily and, of course, I have Cherokee in me as well,” said Georgia Sen. Jeff Mullis, R-Chickamauga. But people should be in this country legally, he said, and his constituents want Georgia’s lawmakers to address the immigration issue since the federal government has failed to do so.

Mullis introduced legislation similar to House Bill 87, Georgia’s newly passed immigration bill. His bill didn’t pass. He also co-sponsored the Senate version of HB 87.

Tennessee’s General Assembly also considered a bill similar to Georgia’s but the bill was deferred until 2012 in part because of opposition from business groups and a $3 million cost estimate.

But the Volunteer State did pass an employment verification requirement for businesses with more than six employees. Many lawmakers agree it’s one of the most important provisions because jobs are what attract immigrants in the first place.

About 425,000 illegal immigrants live in Georgia and 140,000 in Tennessee, according to 2010 Pew Hispanic Center estimates, or 4 percent of Georgia’s population and 2 percent of Tennessee’s.

But it doesn’t matter how small the percentage is, the number itself is significant, said Tennessee state Sen. Andy Berke, D-Chattanooga, who voted for the employment verification bill.

“Any time you have illegal immigrants in your area, you have security issues, you have resources issues, people who may not have health insurance or be paying into the tax system. These are all problems that you have when you have people living invisible to the system,” he said.

The cost of illegal immigrants to the state is one of the factors lawmakers frequently cite.

Georgia’s Mullis and Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City, sponsor of HB 87, said unauthorized immigrants cost the state $2.4 billion each year — an estimate from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a national group that favors stricter immigration control.

“I think every aspect of our state government is impacted by [illegal immigration] from an economic standpoint,” said Ramsey. “When you are talking about a budgetary time, cutting year after year, dealing with declining revenues, we had no choice. From an economic standpoint, this is something we had to do.”

The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates unauthorized immigrants cost Tennessee taxpayers $547,000 each year.

But another report estimates Georgia would lose nearly $68 billion and close to 380,000 jobs if all unauthorized workers were removed from the state’s economy. Tennessee would lose $12 billion and 74,000 jobs, according to the 2008 report from The Perryman Group, an economic and financial analysis firm, and Americans for Immigration Reform, a business group that studies immigration.

Mullis said he doesn’t disagree that illegal immigrants contribute to the state’s economy, but he thinks the numbers are exaggerated.

Jerry González, executive director of the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials, said lawmakers who don’t think illegal immigrants contribute to the economy “are out of touch with reality.”

“What about the $68 billion generated by one single industry in our state?” he asked. “That’s our agricultural industry, [and] 50 to 70 percent of the workforce is undocumented immigrants.”

The agricultural industry in Georgia was a big opponent of the immigration bill.

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, a Republican, proposed that some of the state’s 100,000 people sentenced to some form of probation could take on the estimated 11,000 jobs in agriculture.

But González said probationers are not taking those jobs.

“Our farms are expected to lose $300 million in rotting crops this year, and over $1 billion in the next couple of years,” he said.

Ramsey said the idea that Georgia’s economy would suffer without illegal immigrants is a “silly” argument.

“The fundamental basis to that argument is that Georgia’s economy can’t prosper without those who are in the country illegally, and I categorically reject that,” he said.

What’s needed, González said, is comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level.

“Yes, we want legal workers to come to Georgia, as well. Yes, we want people to enter the country legally. Yes, we want our borders secure,” he said. “But we need an acting Congress to make it happen.”

Mullis said the federal immigration system is the main problem.

“I believe the sole problem is the fact that the system that the federal government has in order to become a legal citizen simply does not work; it’s broken,” he said.

The system takes too long, he said.

“It should be a simple system that seeks to identify the person to make sure they have no criminal background and work visas should be given ... at least time to visit their loved ones in this country,” he said. “I just want them to have their legal documents to be in this country and if they don’t, they shouldn’t be in this country.”

More immigration-related legislation is expected in next year’s legislative sessions in Tennessee and Georgia.

Ramsey said he expects the reintroduction of a bill that would prevent unauthorized immigrants from enrolling in the state’s colleges and universities; it failed this past session.

Stephen Fotopolous, executive director of the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugees Rights Coalition, said Tennessee’s Legislature avoided “the same mistakes made in Georgia and Alabama.”

“[Legislators] responded to real and legitimate frustrations that our immigration laws are outdated and need to be reformed, but they have created significant burdens on government, local taxpayers and small business owners, the last thing you want to do when you are trying to create jobs,” he said.

In Tennessee, Berke said the Arizona-type bill will come up again, but lawmakers should be cautious.

“We can and should deal with the problem of illegal immigration in a sensible way. We have to be careful about infringing on the right of our citizens when dealing with this problem,” he added.

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Georgia State Senator Jeff Mullis, R-Chickamauga, speaks about illegal immigration.
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vlc25233 said...

Its people like you PR that make this world a bad place to live in!!!!People that dont have a heart like you PR and all the republicans that do not want for those immigrants out there to become legall and that have family here will be judged by the LORD when your time comes!!!!!

July 25, 2011 at 1:07 a.m.
TSCinSFO said...

It's people like YOU vlc25233 that has made the illegal alien problem worse. I have even less regard for amnesty supporters than I do for illegal aliens. Every person that condones illegal aliens is either 1)an illegal alien 2)a relative of one 3)a Dem looking for the Hispanic vote 4)someone who holds no value to citizenship to our country and our laws. If every person promoting amnesty had their taxes raised to actually support the services they steal from Americans, they would quickly change their minds. But the problem is the amnesty supporters don't pay taxes and it just adds $386+ BILLION every year to the deficit and growing. That's just the Federal cost. In California alone the costs is over $26 BILLION/year. Only 2 laws need to be passed and 1 re-interpreted. Mandatory E-Verify and end ALL services including education K thru College for all illegal aliens and end the long outdated and abused birthright citizenship. They will run back to the Mexican border starving and self deport almost overnight. BTW, the wrong way drunk driver that slammed head on in a family of 6 on I-24 Saturday morning and tried to flee the scene but was caught was a MEXICAN ILLEGAL ALIEN with several stolen identities. The police still haven't determined who he actually is.

July 25, 2011 at 2:51 a.m.
TSCinSFO said...

You can tell a Hispanic wrote this article calling them "unauthorized immigrants" and slanting every stat to the pro amnesty side. And how stupid does Perla Trevizo think we are that "illegal aliens" only cost us Tennesseans $547k/year. That's probably 1 county. Add 3 more zero's. The left slanted pro amnesty media reporting is a disgrace in this country.

July 25, 2011 at 4:45 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

ms. trevizo......"unauthorized immigrants", no...illegal aliens, illegal entrants, criminals.. they're not immigrants.....they just broke in. like burglars do..trespassers....whatever fits.

anything for votes, you dems, ...right? even lawlessness...whatever mr. nicotine stained fingers (obama) needs to stay in office.

vic, you're a moron....they're no more an immigrant than a burglar is a house guest. they're illegal aliens. anyone is welcome in this country as long as they come in the right way, the lawful way, and with respect for our laws. you libs don't have a heart, just a desire to get more votes...and not much of brain either.

July 25, 2011 at 7:04 a.m.
olhoazul2 said...

Whoa. I'd be super reluctant to call anyone a "moron" when you make a blatantly specious argument equating unauthorized immigrants to burglars. Also saying we libs don't have a heart. are vote hungry and are mentally lacking? Also pretty mean-spirited and flimsy thinking there. And you're using this faulty rationale to condemn Ms. Trevizo and wrap us all up in some isolationist, mean-spirited policy, and to punish people brought into this country to do the work no one else wanted to do? This whole extremist position has become hard to watch and bear, and is frankly disappointing and even frightening for us "libs" who strive for this to be a more tolerant and just nation.

July 25, 2011 at 7:46 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Gee, didn't also resort to lynching people we thought were sub-human? It's ok for a the child of a Serbian, or Italian or Irish person to immigrate but not a Hispanic??

Sen. Mullins is pandering to public paranoia.

July 25, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
rolando said...

Jobs is only one of the reasons illegal aliens come here. Free medical care including birth costs, free education, free food stamps, free assistance in virtually everything are just a few of the rest of the reasons they come here and steal everything they can from the gringos. And laugh while sending every cent they can out of the country.

July 25, 2011 at 8:27 a.m.
rolando said...

There you go again, inquiringmind. Those are NOT "immigrants" under discussion on this thread...they entered this country illegally and are criminals.

The interpretation of our constitution that allows the US-born children of illegal aliens to have US citizenship should be re-interpreted and reversed.

We finally have one Senator who listens to those who voted him into office.

July 25, 2011 at 8:32 a.m.
Wilder said...

Perla is just another product of the Carpet Cartel, a group of men who could fit in the cab of a pickup truck. When the Spanish signage when up at the major mills' employment offices in Dalton, you knew it was all over.

If had not been for this group of geniuses, the illegal alien population in Northwest Georgia would be insignificant, and the TFP would have no need for Perla's services.

As it stands, Chattanooga is like the town downstream from the dam break, and Perla's stock will keep rising until Tennessee passes laws similiar to Georgia's and Alabama's.

Then, like the sea gulls that follow in the wake of ships, she will move on.

July 25, 2011 at 8:53 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

Totally agree...PR..TSCinSFO..wildman..Wilder..SeaMonkey..rolando..indian

Better get a thick skin olhoazul2 if you come on here... don't think the Lord would CONDONE willfully breaking the law, do you? Surely not!

The crash on the freeway the other night just proves they have no reguard for citizens of this insurance...can't drive...several ID's...$100 bucks says he's illegal!

July 25, 2011 at 9:49 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Indian said: "Obama wants them so he can get their vote."

Oh, please, Mr. Indian. It wasn’t that long ago that we were listening to George W Bush:

“A week ago, President George W. Bush did his best to push for some form of amnesty for the 11 million (give or take) illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American states. Bush put a surprisingly pragmatic face on the issue, one many American do not wish to hear.

"Some in this country argue that the solution is to deport every illegal immigrant, and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty," said Bush. "I disagree. It is neither wise, nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border."

And more recently, of course, we heard from his brother - Jeb Bush:

"Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is speaking out against the new hard-line immigration law in Arizona, becoming the first prominent national Republican to do so.

"I think it creates unintended consequences," he said in a telephone interview with POLITICO Tuesday. "It's difficult for me to imagine how you're going to enforce this law. It places a significant burden on local law enforcement and you have civil liberties issues that are significant as well." The measure, signed into law last Friday, would require police to check the immigration status of any individuals they reasonably suspect are illegal immigrants and arrest them if they can't prove legal status."

July 25, 2011 at 10:05 a.m.
Leaf said...

Wow, a lot of fear, hatred and xenophobia in the forum. What's needed is the guest worker program that both W and Obama have championed. Unfortunately, simplistic sound bite rhetoric like (see above) keeps killing it. It really is unfortunate that so many politicians pander to that demographic.

July 25, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Veritas said: "Just another in the series of liberal, pro-illegal alien, sob stories by Perla "Propaganda" Trevizo. Hopefully she will be among those leaving the state when Tennesse has the fortitude to enact a law similar to our new law in Georgia."

And where is this alleged progaganda, Veritas? The article seems rather straightforward to me. The reporter has provided a factual overview, indentifed the number of immigrant bills that have been proposed in the past, provided quotes from Georgia politicians, Tennessee politicians, and financial consultants on the subject, and provided information on bills that will be coming up in the future. I don't see propaganda in any of this. And why do you think the reporter should be deported? Surely, it can’t be because her last name is Trevizo?

July 25, 2011 at 11:25 a.m.
eastridge8 said... do have a point...

July 25, 2011 at 2:39 p.m.
Wilder said...

Leaf said:

Wow, a lot of fear, hatred and xenophobia in the forum.....

Do you know the definition of xenophobia? The term isn't applicable to this argument - nor is racism, or hatred.

Enough is enough - "that demographic", which is composed of the majority of the American people, wants something done about the unabated, unregulated, unscreened flow of uneducated, indigent, foreign nationals into our country. They are even more tired of being forced to educate, provide health care and sustain them, as the people charged with enforcing our laws, look the other way.

This is a very reasonable response.

July 25, 2011 at 6:16 p.m.
nucanuck said...

In Canada, where I now live, the immigration policy seems to be more flexible and facilitates the entry of those whose skills are in demand.

In he US the flow of Hispanics has exceeded the ability of the culture to assimilate reasonably and that is probably at the core of the anti Hispanic outpouring we see on this site

Most of those posting above seem to have a bias that transcends the method of entry or national interests and approaches deep seated racial animosity. That may be a reflection of who we are...let's hope not.

July 25, 2011 at 6:27 p.m.
rolando said...

Hardly Indians, wildman; they, if anyone, are here legally...citizens or not. More than the mestizos can say.

July 25, 2011 at 6:46 p.m.
Wilder said...

nucanuck said;

In The US the flow of Hispanics has exceeded the ability of the culture to assimilate reasonably and that is probably at the core of the anti Hispanic outpouring we see on this site.

Really? Dalton Public Schools went from 0 percent Hispanic to 70 percent Hispanic in less than a decade. Do you think that flow may have exceeded their culture's ability to assimilate?

I never really thought of it that way; you may be right. Did anyone ever tell you that you're a regular genius?

July 25, 2011 at 6:50 p.m.
rolando said...

Wrong, nucanuck. You've been up there too long.

It has nothing to do with culture, other than the refusal of the illegals to assimilate. It has much to do with entering our country illegally, defeating quotas that allow assimilation, stealing the monies/care/programs we have established for our citizens, driving illegally -- doing most everything illegally, actually, since their very presence here is a crime.

The strength of our country always lay in the "Melting Pot" of assimilation. Current illegal immigrants [and a few legal ones] for the most part bring their culture with them and they have no intention of becoming Americans but rather to take, take, and take some more...then go home, giving us nothing of themselves and leaving us with a bitter taste in the mouth...and an empty wallet.

Finally, mestizos are not a separate race regardless of whether they call themselves "The Race" or not.

America is thoroughly Balkanized these days. The Obama-like hangers-on love it because they can divide us so easily, screaming "racist" all the while.

July 25, 2011 at 7:04 p.m.
DonMan said...

We as American need to contact our so called leaders that are allowing the invasion to continue and make sure that they get the message loud and clear, STOP THE INVASION!! Had the farmers used legal workers thru the AGVisa program they would be complaining. I live in So. California and see what the invasion is doing to this beautiful State, America and to our American culture. I go places now and would swear that I'm in some 3rd world bario. It never used to be this way. Indian and others I agree with you whole heartedly. It's sickening to see what has been allowed to happen here. WE together from coast to coast must put an end to the destruction of our country...

July 25, 2011 at 7:52 p.m.
Humphrey said...

And the damn Italians, too.

July 25, 2011 at 7:55 p.m.
DonMan said...

It's not the Italians or the Irish that I see marching in our streets carrying Mexicans Flags and signs in Spanish demanding rights that do not deserve nor entitled too. I didn't think la raza was a Italian organization!

July 25, 2011 at 8:01 p.m.
rolando said...

Agreed, DonMan. Except for your "never used to be this way" comment.

I am a second generation American of mixed Euro-Nordic-Hispano descent born in pre-war Redondo and left in disgust in 1988, I witnessed the same results of the invasion of the mestizos into SoCal throughout that time. A steady reduction in American culture and a rise [a decline, really] in that of the mestizo. They had their barrios throughout SoCal that slowly expanded.

I'll be damned if I let them have my newly adopted state of Tenn.

July 25, 2011 at 8:19 p.m.
Wilder said...


The simple minded, uninformed bleeding hearts who post here have no idea of of the social dynamics that exist in Mexico - nor the the role that the business class in this country plays.

Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, but the wealth is hoarded by the güero(Europeans), who are more than happy to dump their unskilled and uneducated mestizos on the American taxpayers, and this country's business lobby is more than happy to see that it happens.

One member of the Carpet Cartel was alleged to have been brazen enough to bus illegal aliens directly from the Mexican border to Dalton, furnish them with false documents, housing and employment. They had to defend themselves against a RICO lawsuit(a law designed to prosecute organized crime).

According to the California Hispanic academic, who spent 7 years in Dalton documenting the invasion, the "Carpet Elite"(his term), used the local newspaper to spread the often heard propaganda terms(lies), "hardworking, family oriented, etc.", to coerce the locals into not resisting. It worked on the dummies, as evidenced here.

Read about the Mexicans of European descent and how they control the country @ wikipedia, key words: Mexicans of European descent. (This site apparently doesn't allow you to post links)

July 25, 2011 at 8:35 p.m.
DonMan said...

Rolando, my Family dates back to 1773 before the founding of the country and I feel the same way. However, we as Americans are literally in a fight for our country against people in our own Government that have allowed la raza, mecha, maldef and many others to gain a foothold. I actually wonder many times if there really is a North American Union plan in place? Is this debt ceiling BS that both parties are playing the means to the end of our great republic? How is it that from 1952 thru 1954 then President Eisenhower implemented "Operation Wetback" that drove millions of illegals out of America, but now we have sitting Presidents and Senators in our Government aligning themselves with the 3rd world invaders and suing Arizona and American State for trying to rid themselves of this 3rd world menace. Something is not right here!!

July 25, 2011 at 8:46 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ Donman

The business class in this country, who are increasing their profits(in the short term, that's all that matters to them), by using illegal alien labor, are driving the nonenforcement.

Go to the website and look at the contributors to Nathan Deal's campaigns and you will see among the top contributors, the Carpet Cartel, the Onion farmers, the Chicken Pluckers, who are among the top abusers of our immigration laws. That is why Georgia's new immigration law has no provisions for the punishment of the employers, and loopholes that you can fly a 747 through.

That is how it works all the way to the top - our government,on all levels is overladen with corrupt politicians, who will do anything to remain in office so they can continue to reap the benefits, at the expense of their constituents, who Johhny Isackason, our Georgia Senator refers to as the "unwashed". They are so arrogant that they think everyone is stupid but them.

July 25, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.
nucanuck said...

What a plague, America has been invaded by people willing to work, and work very hard everyday without complaint.

We have to get rid of these workers before they ruin everything.

July 25, 2011 at 10:38 p.m.
rolando said...

Wrong yet again, nucanuck.

If you love the illegals that much, why not invite them to come up to your Island Fortress of Vancouver.

The only thing they do is work cheap...and change jobs like their shirts [about every six months]. They have zero work ethic [something they learned from liberals]. All things considered, they make lousy, substandard workers at anything above stoop labor -- and not even that if an education or even a desire for an education is required.

As pointed out earlier, the true Hispanic Mexicans make up the upper or ruling class. The mestizos put up with it.

July 25, 2011 at 11:09 p.m.
nucanuck said...

rolando, you haven't a clue. Some of the best Chattanooga trades people I came in contact with in construction were Hispanic. Their culture, their family values put much of how we live to shame. You are letting bigotry blind you, little man.

July 26, 2011 at 12:03 a.m.
DonMan said...

@ Nucanuck, are you refering the 3rd world culture where they don't know how to read or write the English Language, so mess things up. My Son works as an Electrician and tells me of the substandard work that these illegals do. Are you talking about the family values of popping out anchor babies to unwed wetback moms by the van load so we the American People can pay for? The shame of the matter is that people like you that support the invaders. Where I come from they are refereed to as traitors! How about that little man!!

July 26, 2011 at 12:14 a.m.
Wilder said...

numbnucks says:

Their culture, their family values put much of how we live to shame

How limited are your talking points? Its either "family values" or your a "xenophobe".

BTW, are you on the TFP's or Catholic church's payroll, or do you just agitate rational, law abiding citizens for entertainment?

July 26, 2011 at 12:38 a.m.
DonnaLocke said...

This story is inaccurate. Tennessee did not pass any law requiring any employer to verify anyone's authorization to work in this country.

Tennessee does not require that any employers -- not even the state or state contractors -- use the federal E-Verify system or verify any documents hires or prospective hires give them in regard to work authorization.

Driver's licenses are not proof of work authorization. Illegal aliens have been able to obtain valid Tennessee driver's licenses, though they aren't supposed to get them, and some lawfully present foreign nationals can legally obtain driver's licenses here yet be unauthorized to work in this country.

Tennessee's laws on illegal labor are written as loopholes for the business lobby to keep doing what it's been doing as a enabler to illegal labor.

Tennessee is a jackpot-magnet for illegal labor and employers of illegal labor, because that's the way your legislature and your governors have wanted it. We will get even more of this activity, because the states around us are mandating use of E-Verify and passing other laws to demagnetize themselves to illegal immigration. Illegal labor there will migrate here.

Aside from job loss, the rest of us, with our tax dollars, subsidize low-wage illegal labor and the profits of those who employ it. These workers and their families cost us in everything from welfare programs, including the free school lunch program, to education to health care and more.

In addition, lawful presence is not the same thing as work authorization. Many people here legally on various visas are not authorized to work in this country and are illegal labor if employed here. Work authorization must be E-Verified, and the state must require this of all employers. Our state does not. Though not for lack of some of us trying to get and secure this true jobs program.

July 26, 2011 at 1:41 a.m.
DonnaLocke said...

One other thing: Georgia peach and onion growers testified and/or stated for news media that they use a no-limit visa program to bring in legal "temporary" workers.

According to the reliable studies I've read, illegal aliens and their offpsring cost us taxpayers and will cost us taxpayers far more than they contribute. And the price we pay and will pay is in far more than money. This situation, in population growth alone, not even getting into the other damage, is destroying our nation. Our home.

July 26, 2011 at 1:53 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Wilder, I don't agree with undocumented entry into the US, but I believe that it is almost totally controlable by regulations and penalties on employers.

I can't find it in me to come down hard on the poor who simply want to work. If employment wasn't readily available in the US, they would never leave their villages. We have to ensure that jobs don't happen without proper papers, then the immigration will end.

July 26, 2011 at 2:21 a.m.
rolando said...

nucanuck, you are a mass of indecision and have gotten even worse over the years. Comes from living in luxury on the island-fortress of Vancouver Island, Canada. As bad as our brow-dwelling liberals who employ these illegal mestizos.

July 26, 2011 at 7:31 a.m.
DonMan said...

Nice try Humphrey, but not in the same context.

July 26, 2011 at 12:03 p.m.
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