published Sunday, November 27th, 2011

Dalton couple fights to regain custody of their five children

Domitina Mendez wipes away tears as her husband, Ovidio Mendez, discusses their efforts to regain custody of their five children.
Domitina Mendez wipes away tears as her husband, Ovidio Mendez, discusses their efforts to regain custody of their five children.
Photo by John Rawlston.
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    Domitina Mendez holds photos of two of her children, Ever Mendez, left, age 5, and Debbi Mendez, age 3. She and her husband, Ovidio Mendez are Guatemalan indigenous Mayans who lost custody of their five children when the Georgia Department of Child Protective Services took their children in 2008. In June a Whitfield County judge permanently removed their parental rights in part because they don't speak English and the judge felt the parrents couldn't take care of the children's special needs and dozens of monthly doctor's visits.
    Photo by John Rawlston /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

CHILDREN IN THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM

The percentage of Hispanic children victims of neglect and/or abuse has

remained consistent in the last four years, but there's no data of how many

are immigrants or children of immigrant parents.

GEORGIA: Total/Hispanics/Percent

• 2006: 37,407/2,650/7

• 2007: 32,951/2,390/7.3

• 2008: 25,949/1,690/6.5

• 2009: 22,653/1,611/7

• 2010: 19,050/1,296/6.8

WHITFIELD COUNTY: Total/Hispanics/Percent

• 2006: 438/141/32

• 2007: 429/121/28.2

• 2008: 358/114/32

• 2009: 290/79/22

• 2010: 214/67/31

Source: Georgia Department of Human Services

CHILDREN IN CUSTODY

TENNESSEE: Total/Hispanics/Percent

• 2006-2007: 8,414/272/3.2

• 2007-2008: 7,858/257/3.3

• 2008-2009: 6,907/244/3.5

Source: Tennessee Department of Children's Services


SEPARATIONS EXPECTED TO RISE

As the number of U.S. immigrant detentions and deportations increases, researchers expect the number of children in foster care will rise, as well.

A record 397,000 illegal immigrants were deported during fiscal year 2011, and in the first six months of 2011, the federal government removed more than 46,000 parents of U.S.-citizen children.

A recent study by the Applied Research Center, which calls itself a "racial justice think tank" and has offices in New York, Chicago and California, estimates more than 5,000 children are in the foster care system whose parents were detained by immigration officers or deported.

Most child welfare departments lack systemic policies to keep families united when parents are detained or deported, according to the report, "The Perilous Intersection of Immigration Enforcement and the Child Welfare System."

"Historic levels of detention and deportation, combined with a clear lack of child welfare policies are resulting in the separation of thousands of families across the United States," the nonprofit organization wrote in its report.

There are no exact numbers of immigrant families involved in the child welfare system because agencies are not required to track them. But nationwide, there are more than 5 million children who were born to at least one undocumented parent.

DALTON, Ga. -- As Ovidio and Domitina Mendez drove back from their children's medical appointment, they noticed police cars parked outside their house.

As soon as they got out of their car, they were told through a Spanish interpreter that the Georgia Department of Family and Children Services was there to take their four children.

DFCS workers had visited the Mendez family two weeks earlier in July 2008 to investigate how the Guatemala natives and their U.S.-born children, who have severe disabilities, were living. The couple were told then that two of the children were malnourished and that the family needed to find a new home.

The couple say they did that.

"We came back home [from the doctor's office] without knowing what was going to happen," said Ovidio Mendez in Spanish. "They just said, 'Stay there. I'm sorry, but we came for the children.'"

The children, now ages 5 through 7, started crying and throwing tantrums, Domitina Mendez said.

"They had to take the boy by force, then I started crying. They are my children. I was sad because they were taken away from me," she said.

And DFCS came back in November 2008 for her fifth child, Debbi, just 14 days old.

"I begged them not to take my baby," said Domitina Mendez, 24, "but the interpreter told me to calm down or it was going to be worse."

Since then, the five children have been cared for by a foster family who wants to adopt them, even as the Mendezes try to regain custody.

A hearing to have their case reopened is set for Thursday in Whitfield County Juvenile Court after a June 2011 ruling that terminated their parental rights.

In her ruling, Judge Connie Blaylock said she didn't believe the parents could care adequately for the five children with their complicated medical needs and the dozens of medical appointments they require every month.

But advocates working with the family believe their inability to speak English and their illegal status were the main factors that led to the rights termination.

Guatemalan consul Beatriz Illescas in Atlanta has helped the family from the beginning, including with legal aid. She said their parental rights were terminated primarily because they don't speak English and because of their legal status.

"They took their children away despite the fact that they never found proof of negligence or abuse," said Illescas, who testified in the parental rights termination hearing.

"I think it's great that [the state] has the children's best interest at heart, but please don't arbitrarily decide there's abuse and violence when there's no proof," she added.

Ravae Graham, spokeswoman for the Georgia Department of Human Services, which oversees DFCS, said she couldn't comment on a specific case. But generally, the ability to speak English and legal status are not determining factors in terminating parental rights.

"Safety and well-being is assessed and addressed regardless of the family's language or nationality," she wrote in an email. "Translator/interpreter services are provided at no charge to the client."

Those who work with families or the child welfare system said it's a growing problem nationwide.

"We've seen a number of cases where kids are removed largely because of language or cultural misunderstandings," said Mary Bauer, legal director for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala.

HEALTH PROBLEMS

The Mendezes said the children's pediatrician contacted DFCS to say the children were getting worse.

All of the children have disabilities and have been diagnosed with possible mitochondrial disorder. Dr. Ayman Rifai, a pediatrician at Prime Pediatrics in Dalton, Ga., who is not involved with the case, said the disorder is inherited and can affect multiple organs, including the nervous system. It can cause seizures, developmental delays, difficulty swallowing that can lead to poor nutrition, and in some situations affect eyes and ears.

Some of the children have problems walking and experience convulsions.

A case manager for Whitfield County estimated during a court hearing this year that the state had spent $400,000 on the children over 21/2 years since they were removed from the Mendez home and more than $20,000 on services for the parents including in-home services, transportation and parent aides.

The state had allowed the Mendezes to see their children during doctors' appointments and in supervised two-hour visits, sometimes at their home, and other times at birthday parties or public places like gas stations, until Blaylock terminated their parental rights.

They last saw their children in September for a birthday party. That day DFCS told them there wouldn't be any more visits, Domitina Mendez said.

"I was really sad," she said. "We haven't seen them since."

LANGUAGE AND STATUS

Immigration status alone is not enough to terminate someone's parental rights, said Yali Lincroft, policy and program consultant for First Focus, a bipartisan children's advocacy organization. Yet there have been multiple cases where it has been used against the parents.

In Lebanon, Tenn., in 2004 a Mexican immigrant who spoke an indigenous language was told she needed to learn English or risk losing custody of her daughter. An agreement was reached, and the mother regained custody of her daughter.

In Jackson, Miss., the Clarion-Ledger newspaper reported in 2009 that a woman was charged with neglecting her child, in part, because "she has failed to learn the English language," and "was unable to call for assistance for transportation to the hospital" to give birth. A year later the mother was reunited with her baby.

A 2007 Missouri case involved a Guatemala native arrested for being in the country illegally who later pleaded guilty to aggravated identify theft. After she was arrested, her son, a U.S.-born citizen, was passed through different households and finally adopted. The mother challenged the adoption, and in 2010 an appeals court ruled the boy had to be reunited with his mother immediately.

Often, problems with authorities arise from cultural misunderstanding, said Bauer.

For example, officials may ask why a mother hasn't bought baby formula or purchased a crib, when in that culture mothers breast feed and sleep with their babies, Bauer said.

The view of an illegal immigrant also has changed over time, said Marcia Zug, an assistant professor of law at the University of South Carolina School of Law.

"Many of the child welfare workers may think it's better for an American child to be raised in the U.S. by an American family," she said. "Given the anti-immigrant feeling in the country, people are more sympathetic to these arguments."

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    An infant's clothes and a high chair are seen in one of the rooms at the home of Domitina Mendez and her husband, Ovidio Mendez, Guatemalan indigenous Mayans who lost custody of their five children. The Georgia Department of Child Protective Services took their children in 2008, and in June a Whitfield County judge permanently removed their parental rights in part because they don't speak English and the judge felt the parrents couldn't take care of the children's special needs and dozens of monthly doctor's visits.
    Photo by John Rawlston /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

AT A HIGH COST

The Mendezes spend $650 a month on a four-bedroom home, hoping they'll have their children with them once again. They've spent more than $5,000 on child support and thousands of dollars in legal fees.

"We are going to keep fighting," said Ovidio Mendez. "They are our children; we have to fight for them."

"How can a parent be happy without her children?" said Domitina Mendez.

Their living room is almost empty except for a blue carpet with the alphabet, numbers and shapes in bright reds, yellows and greens on it. Plastic bins full of toys rest against the wall.

The rooms are painted in pink and blue. There are cribs and children's beds inside, one for each child. One room is almost empty except for a pink party dress -- size 0-3 months -- that hangs from a pink hanger. It was Debbi's, explains Domitina Mendez; the foster mother gave it to her to keep.

After three years, when the children see their parents they hug them and say, "I love you, Mommy" and "I love you, Daddy," in English, Domitina Mendez said. They no longer speak Spanish.

The couple comes from a village in Guatemala. Their first language is Mam, not Spanish. They speak very little English and work at local carpet factories but are not authorized to be in the country.

An immigration attorney from Atlanta is working to help them legalize their status since they've lived in the United States for more than 10 years and the children were born in Dalton.

SAFETY FIRST

The Mendezes were told by state workers that they needed to learn English because it was best for the children. Ovidio Mendez enrolled in classes at Dalton State Community College but said he stopped going because it was too expensive and he had to work.

Questions about English came quickly during the June termination-of-rights hearing, according to court documents. Then came questions about the parents' immigration status.

"Describe for the court why even three years after [the children went into the state's custody] you cannot speak English without an interpreter," Bruce Kling, special assistant attorney general for Whitfield County Department of Family and Children's Services, said to Domitina Mendez.

"I cannot speak English, but I did -- because I did not grow up speaking English," she replied in Spanish through an interpreter.

A case manager for Whitfield County Department of Family and Children's Services said in the hearing that learning English was not part of the plan given to the couple. She didn't know if it had been translated into Spanish.

Applied Research Center's Report
Applied Research Center's Report

In closing, Kling said, "We basically have two individuals with first- to second-grade educations and although they have the capacity to love and care for their children, they do not have the capacity to understand their immense medical needs to properly address them."

Bart Barnwell, the attorney who represented the children in court, disagreed.

"It appears that one of the big obstacles and hurdles the parents have encountered have been cultural differences," he said in his closing statement.

He didn't think the parents were capable of caring for the children when the state took them away, but he said they had worked on the case plan and he didn't think terminating their rights was in the children's best interest.

Among other arguments made during the hearing were that the parents couldn't legally obtain a driver's license to take the children to the 75 appointments they average in a month; they are unable to understand fully the children's medication needs and their medical conditions; and they lack help to care for the children, especially if both work.

The children's appointments include visits to doctors' offices and horse and speech therapy.

In the end Blaylock sided with the state.

"It is the sad truth that neither of these parents will ever be able to meet the extreme special needs of these five children on a day-to-day basis," she said. "They certainly love their children, but the children have not resided with them for three years. Debbi has never resided with them. The children are in need of, and deserving of, a permanent home."

MOUNTING COSTS

Because the children are U.S. citizens, they qualify for services including Medicaid, which in Georgia includes nonemergency medical transportation services and home health care, according to its website.

The children also need special beds with padding at a cost of about $8,000 each, which the foster parents got through the state program Babies Can't Wait. The foster parents receive about $7,500 monthly -- $90,000 per year -- to care for the five children. If they adopt all five children, they will continue to receive financial assistance because the children have special needs; the exact amount was not mentioned in court.

The case manager testified that the state's financial responsibility will continue and probably grow under adoption plans.

"Why can't they help the parents care for those children like they are doing?" said Illescas in a telephone interview. "Separating the family is not the solution."

The children can qualify for any service a U.S. citizen qualifies for regardless of the legal status of the parents, Graham said.

And Domitina and Ovidio Mendez argue they've always had interpreters who can tell them about the children's treatments. The state and doctors' offices supplied the interpreters at no cost. Ovidio Mendez said he understands he needs to learn English and will continue to work on it.

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    Domitina Mendez shows a bedroom that was shared by three of her five children in their Dalton home.
    Photo by John Rawlston /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Child welfare is a very difficult system to understand even if the person speaks English, said Lincroft.

"If they are assigned an attorney, does that attorney speak their language? He or she may speak Spanish, but if they are from an indigenous population, Spanish may already be a second language. So are you really communicating?" she asked.

"It's all of this confusion that I really believe makes these cases particularly challenging and difficult," she said.

Sandra Holder, administrator for the Tennessee Valley Region Department of Children Services, agrees communication is key.

The agency has bilingual staff and reaches out to churches and members of the community if they encounter someone like the Mendez’s whose first language is not Spanish.

“If we can’t communicate, that’s significant,” she said, “that’s not good for anybody.”

Case managers in Tennessee are also required to take cultural competency classes.

“You want to make sure you are doing the right thing and not judging them based on our own standards,” Holder said.

“It’s important to listen to them and try to see how they do things in their country and help them understand how we do things here,” she added.

Graham, said that in Georgia they train bilingual staff, develop a centralized databank of language resources and form partnerships with community groups for outreach and education.

To help states, the Guatemalan consulate in Atlanta offers training to child welfare employees that cover everything from the role of the consulate to child rearing differences, said Illesacas.

Lincroft said the idea behind the welfare system is for the family to be functional again with the lowest level of government intervention.

“You don’t really want the government to take care of the children, we are not good at raising children, but in order to have the lowest level of intervention, you need to know these communities,” she said.

about Perla Trevizo...

Perla Trevizo joined the Chattanooga Times Free Press in 2007 and covers immigration/diversity issues and higher education. She holds a master’s degree in newswire journalism from Universidad Rey Juan Carlos in Madrid, Spain, and a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of Texas. In 2011 she participated in the Bringing Home the World international reporting fellowship program sponsored by the International Center for Journalists, producing a series on Guatemalan immigrants for which she ...

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nucanuck said...

It's hard to imagine any circumstance where loving caring parents should have all parental rights stripped away.

November 27, 2011 at 1:57 a.m.
rolando said...

Good Lord! Yet another sob story about how hard it is to be an illegal alien.

And yet another post eliminated.

November 27, 2011 at 5:40 a.m.
rolando said...

The TFP is evidently getting so many posts against allowing illegal aliens to remain in our country they are posting articles without allowing comments. Typical leftist tactics. Freedom of the press...yeah, right. Freedom to allow them to print only what they consider "all the news worth printing". Unquote.

See http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/apr/17/hispanic-community-rocked-plant-raid/ for evidence of their action. That should be title "Illegal Alien Community..." The legals without a dog in the fight don't care whether the illegals are "rocked" or not.

November 27, 2011 at 5:46 a.m.
gemini65 said...

My question is if they now these people are here illegally then why have they not been sent back to their own country? This is why our country is in the shape it is in now...allowing people like this to come in, have 5-10 children and say those children are American citizens. They ARE NOT American citizens...the parents were here illegally. I am sick and tired of seeing people like this taking advantage of our country.They get all of their expenses paid by our tax dollars while our elderly AMERICAN CITIZENS that fought and sacrificed for this country go without...they can't even get adequate medical care. WAKE UP AMERICA...PUT A STOP TO THIS NONSENSE. GIVE THEM THE KIDS, SEND THEM BACK TO GUATEMALA AND LET THEIR COUNTRY FOOT THE BILL.

November 27, 2011 at 6:14 a.m.
EaTn said...

It's past time to change the law regarding making US born children of illegals automatic citizens.

November 27, 2011 at 6:30 a.m.
Humphrey said...

the human condition brings some sad stories, it really is a terrible plight for these parents. I wish that there was someone whose life we could look to for advice in situations like these, about how we should treat the poor and the sick.

November 27, 2011 at 7:41 a.m.
Wilder said...

Metro Dalton once again has the highest jobless rate in Georgia — 12.7 percent ... Dalton Daily Citizen 11/25/11

A case manager for Whitfield County estimated during a court hearing this year that the state had spent $400,000 on the children

over 21/2 years since they were removed from the Mendez home and more than $20,000 on services for the parents including in-home services, transportation and parent aides.

"The Mendezes spend $650 a month on a four-bedroom home...They've spent more than $5,000 on child support...

The children also need special beds with padding at a cost of about $8,000 each, which the foster parents got through the state program Babies Can't Wait.

The foster parents receive about $7,500 monthly -- $90,000 per year -- to care for the five...

"Describe for the court why even three years after [the children went into the state's custody] you cannot speak English without an interpreter..."

Dalton has the highest unemployment in the state. The city and country are both broke, and we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on one family of illegal aliens?

And,this is just the tip of the iceberg. The illegal aliens, in Dalton alone, are collectively bilking U.S. citizens out of 10s of millions of dollars a year, and the carpet mills are still filled with them, and both political parties are pandering to them in the next election.

People need to wake up. Our government, on all levels, has been compromised by greed. Both parties are complicit, and if you do nothing, they will take us all over the cliff.

November 27, 2011 at 7:53 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

I assume echo, rolando, gemini65, EaTn, Wilder do not attend a Christian church and are not familiar with Luke 4:16-20.

November 27, 2011 at 8:09 a.m.
rolando said...

They won't be going over, Wilder...they are driving us, not leading us.

November 27, 2011 at 8:11 a.m.
rolando said...

Two posts eliminated/deleted...

November 27, 2011 at 8:12 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

inquiringmind...why are quoting Scripture that Isaiah uses to picture deliverance of Israel from exile in Babylon as a Year of Jubilee when all debts are cancelled, all slaves are freed, and all property is returned to the original owners. This has 'nothing' to do with "taking care" of illegal aliens and making Christians feel guilty for not doing so.

These people in the Scripture you quoted were upset that something was wrong with them and that their request for a miracle was denied, and that Jesus implied that God loved the Gentiles too. In this Jesus answers 2 questions. Who did Isaiah write of? He was saying, "Me". Then when will this come to pass? Jesus says, "Now".

Stop twisting and throwing Scripture at echo, rolando, gemini65, EaTn,and Wilder just to attempt to prove your point and try to make them "feel" guilty...please....

November 27, 2011 at 8:25 a.m.
gemini65 said...

Inquiringmind I assume you are an illegal...are we stepping on your gravy train?

November 27, 2011 at 8:32 a.m.
timesfreepress said...

The Times Free Press encourages comments from our readers but please remember to keep the discussion civil. All inappropriate comments will be deleted and the user may be banned from further participation. If you read something you believe has crossed the line, email us at webeditors@timesfreepress.com.

November 27, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
rolando said...

Thank you, webeditors.

Care to expand a bit on "inappropriate comments"?

Who decides what does and does not fall within that category? Is it by popular demand according to the number of complaints?

There has been some pretty raunchy, crude, even disgusting things said on this forum over the years...and allowed to stand...seemingly those on the "liberal" side. But then perhaps I have a biased viewpoint.

You are usually objective on this matter, in my opinion, but perceptions are most all of it, no?

November 27, 2011 at 8:49 a.m.
rolando said...

Ah. I understand now why there are no comments allowed on the TFP article I cited earlier...it was not written by a TFP staffer [silly me]./

No indeed, it was written by someone supporting the illegal, criminal act of entering this country illegally. Perhaps because he/she has a dog in the fight? An illegal one, perhaps?

November 27, 2011 at 8:56 a.m.
crow1033 said...

So glad there are no Irish, Italian, German, Slavic or African immigrant descendants commenting on here! America was so happy to receive them on our shores and treated them justly! Now, if we could finally get rid of the rest of those pesky Native Americans, we would be doing just fine! (well, except for the lack of those fun casinos!)

November 27, 2011 at 9:10 a.m.
Emersization said...

I DID NOT READ THIS ARTICLE, but I read the comments beneath.

My dad's family was immigrated through John D's international trade agreement with Standard Oil and Europe.

Although, Perla Trevizo is found to be a skilled writer from Spain, she has taken the brunt of covering illegal immigration stories. She includes a humanitarian twist with a guilt trip attached. Nevertheless, in the United States, we have laws that we are supposed to be governed under.

May you bleeding heart Christians not condone breaking the laws, and whoa is he or she that does so, because it is SIN. If you love them so much, be a missionary and get out. It's that simple.

Our next president, Herman Cain promised to return authority back to the states, and there will be not Federal interference like the past administrations have done. Matter-of-fact, Cain says he will assist heavily in securing our borders!

November 27, 2011 at 9:18 a.m.
lilrosepetal said...

WOW!! ALL that has to deal with is because they are illegals?! The kids are causing so much problems with insurance because they have disabilities?! WOW If that's the case I'm thankful they didn't take my son away from me when he was sick 2 years and NO ONE could figure out what was wrong with him causing all the tax payers of TN money! Thats CRAP! These people come from a country where they are use to eating hardly NOTHING, using the bathroom wherever, NO AIR, Hardly going to school ect! and they come here and work and can afford our food like steak, chicken ect when they CAN'T afford it in their country because it cost to much! They AREN'T malnourished I'm sure. It is probably their metabilisim! My son is 3 now. At the time he was hardly 1 1/2 and the height of a 3 year old and only weighing 18 pounds or so!!!! For his height he was considered malnourished according to the WIC office then! His dr says he was PERFECT!!! Now he is 3, almost 4, and the height of my 7 year old and only weight 38 pounds! BUT Gosh CAN EAT!!! Also my other son at the time was 4 pounds 'overweight'. They got onto me! I know it is their job but they made a HUGE deal over 4 pounds. They gave me a paper to take to hid dr and the dr TORE it up!!! He said they are weird sometimes. My son was in a growth spurt!! ALL THIS HAS TO DEAL WITH IS BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGALS AND THAT'S CRAP!!!! I haven't seen any of our DCS workers and the state job take any of the kids away!!! I'm not saying this is right but we are ALL human! We are ALL God's creatures! Its called LOVE AND RESPECT even if they are here and not suppose to be!! We have parents that live off the system because its easier then getting a job and their kids are still with them!!! Its only because they are illegals!

November 27, 2011 at 9:22 a.m.
sage1 said...

We live in a country whose "leaders" from both parties, (I use the term “leaders” loosely since true leadership has been lacking for quite some time), rush to the podium spouting cuts to the benefits the true taxpayers of this country paid into for their entire lives, Social Security and Medicare. (no these are NOT entitlements….THEY HAVE BEEN PAID FOR BY THE RECIPIENTS!!!) You’ll NEVER hear a peep out of any of them about cutting or eliminating support to the deadbeats that abuse welfare by being capable of working, but choosing not to (these ARE entitlements and are NOT paid for by the recipients), or those that come into this country illegally.

Companies that hire illegals should be fined to the max and the money used for deportation and for securing our borders. If citizens of other countries want to WORK in this country they need to get a work visa. This is a requirement in counties all over the world. Look it up yourselves. Why should the USA be the only country that turns a blind eye to illegals? If they want to LIVE here apply for citizenship and enjoy. If they can’t afford to apply, they should stay where they are.

Our country is broke. These situations are pulling us all underwater. What happens then? Why should we as a country allow abuse of our freedoms and our government system to drown us all?

November 27, 2011 at 9:23 a.m.
America said...

Why don't we address the real problem? The people come because employers give them jobs. Why isn't the carpet mill held accountable? We blame people for trying to improve their lives? Aren't we all trying to improve our lives each day? These companies are like drug dealers who get someone hooked on something and then say the user is to blame. Until we heavily fine employers for hiring people who are illegal, don't blame someone who wants a better life.

November 27, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
Emersization said...

America, I was told by a very credible source that that American jobs are being advertised down in Mexico. It is not just the carpet mills doing this either.

Illegals Hunting US Border Patrol Agents with Intent to Kill

Read more: Illegals Hunting US Border Patrol Agents with Intent to Kill | Godfather Politics http://godfatherpolitics.com/2223/illegals-hunting-us-border-patrol-agents-with-intent-to-kill/#ixzz1euuNTiBY

November 27, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.
Wilder said...

AT Rolando

Citizens have no involvement in the process of choosing candidates for public office. The entire process is driven by the ill gotten money that flows from special interest groups.

As long as clueless voters vote for the party, based soley on make believe political platforms, and not the candidate, they will continue to elect professional confidence men, like Georgia's current governor.

Compromising the political process greenlighted the "carpet cartel" to recruit 10s of thousands of illegal aliens to Dalton, and destroy the town, and everyone in it, in the process.

People are apparently incapable of comprehending who is responsible, which isn't lost on the special interest and confidence men.

Unfettered, this pairing of fools, who are so shortsighted and greed driven, they will gleefully sell the rope to hang themselves, will end up hanging all of us.

November 27, 2011 at 9:47 a.m.
RetiredMarshal said...

There are ways to do all this leagally,yes it takes time but coming here illeaglly is against the law.there looking for a better life and thats understandable who wouldnt but the law is the law.If we break the law we pay the price and there no different.people from other countrys on visa's.ICE has a job to do and these people know there taken a big chance and this is the price they pay.The business and companys that hire these people and knowly there here illegally should be held respossible right along with the ones that entered this country.

November 27, 2011 at 10:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

This article makes light of the fact they are here illegally, have been for ten years and that they are employed. Americans are encouraged to accept that being here illegally is not bad since there are so many in that category. Employers employing anyone here illegally should not only be fined but no longer operate.

Politicians and some people say food and the cost of many items would be higher if not for immigrant labor. Think about this article and the attempt to tug on heart strings to continue increasing financial assistance to illegals which is already draining many state budgets. Why would those same people not be willing to deal with the abuse and low wages of immigrant farm workers? Why do we not insist on securing the borders and stop the flow of illegals and drugs? This article proves there is justification for spending the money necessary to secure the borders.

November 27, 2011 at 10:22 a.m.
Wilder said...

America said...

"Until we heavily fine employers for hiring people who are illegal, don't blame someone who wants a better life."

It involves more than "wanting a better life". They are willing to take everything you have worked for your entire life, with absolutely no consideration for you, or your family.

Don't be fooled by articles like this. They were recruited here for a source of cheap labor by unscrupulous people, but they have no qualms about knowingly defrauding the American people out of everything they can get their hands on.

November 27, 2011 at 10:23 a.m.
gemini65 said...

I live in Dalton, GA and unemployment is at the highest I have ever seen it. Carpet mills are closing their doors, AMERICAN CITIZENS are losing their jobs and at the same time their insurance benefits. Yet those same people and I are supposed to foot the bill for these illegals to stay in this country, pay for their children's medical needs as well as any other expenses they incur...all while THEY work a job that an American citizen could be doing. If we know these people are here illegally why hasn't the employer already been reported and fined? Apparently our government is aware of them.

November 27, 2011 at 11:23 a.m.
Veritas said...

Yet another, long, boring, and insignificant sob story by that perennial Latino whiner, PERLA "PROPAGANDA" TREVIZO. When will she realize that the majority of readers DO NOT CARE ABOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS. We would like for them to return to their native lands and take their multitudinous progeny with them.

November 27, 2011 at 11:38 a.m.
ginagirl43 said...

Bleeding hearts - why don't you get together and foot the bills since you don't seem to care what it costs the U.S. citizens. I for one am sick and tired of hearing your garbage. We simply cannot accommodate everybody that wants to come in our country. They should be deported.

November 27, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.
ginagirl43 said...

Gemini - you express thoughts that mirror mine and saved me a lot of typing. Preach it!

November 27, 2011 at 11:57 a.m.
Wilder said...

gemini65 said:

If we know these people are here illegally why hasn't the employer already been reported and fined?

Go to the State of Georgia's website, ethics.ga.gov and search for the candidates' contributors. You will find the CEO of one of Dalton's major carpet mills, who contributed the maximum legal amount, along with the use of the mills' facilities for fund raising, to Nathan Deal's campaign.

You will also find the names of multiple principals of a major chicken processor in Gainesville, who were collectively, the largest contributor to Deal's campaign.

Georgia's much celebrated, make believe anti-immigration bill, HB-87, does nothing to address the 10s of thousands of illegal aliens currently employed in Dalton's carpet mills or Gainesville's chicken processors.

It only requires checking the legal status of new hires at some point in the future, if you have a certain number of employees on a certain date. In other words, the bill is a complete sham, that has no effect, and was designed only to pacify unsuspecting citizens.

You have been sacrificed by crooked politicians, on every level of government.

November 27, 2011 at 12:07 p.m.

This is one of the saddest and cruelest repercussions of illegal immigration I've heard. First, I agree somewhat with Gemini, Wilder and Rolando regarding the illegality of the parent's situation and the immense cost to our society. I've seen and experienced the problem in a big way myself. This is a nation of laws, just as Guatemala and Mexico are-who btw shoot illegals at their borders if the drug cartels haven't beheaded them first.

Yet....Georgia and Georgia Child "Protection" Officials are widely known in the child "snatching" trade as being the cruelest and most unethical in the nation. There are numerous reports-check out YouTube or Google-of native-born children of US/Georgia citizens being snatched by CS Gestapo on trumped up charges and the courts rarely back the parents on the illegalities of the process. The Foster Care business is lucrative for many 'not-nice' folks making a buck on our backs. Our federal and state governments can be brutally NON-Constitutional as we will find out increasingly in the coming years.

Secondly, unless any of you have had to live under a brutal regime (most of Latin/South America), could not feed your children or find ANY work at all, please get some compassion for these poor, innocent children. Even the parents, not educated much, did what any desperate parents with no hope many times do, around the globe on a daily basis. I blame their governments and mine. There is immoral complicity here-when we send billions of dollars every year to these governments to arm their militaries, juntas and cartels while their people starve and commit or are subject to mass brutalities in order to survive.

Yes, we are a nation of laws-why then do our lawmakers, enforcers and Pols get away with murder and corruption every day? Or complicity thereof?

I, as a Christian see many sides of the issue, but mostly I see the spiritual and human side. We might, as some say here have been better off sending the parents and kids back after treating them. At least they'd be together. To be separated from one child is a tragedy-especially for a mother-five is an outrage, an evil in all its machinations and complicities of the State. This family has suffered and paid enough, we need Representatives with a heart and God's wisdom to mete out true justice. That's for all of us btw.

November 27, 2011 at 12:38 p.m.
bprunty67 said...

well when you know that your children are go to be born too suffer when two people keep making"U.S.-born children, who have severe disabilities, were living." Sounds too me more like they are having kids too get SSI for each child they have.heck of a way too make a living, the pain and suffering of a child.Deport them NOW

November 27, 2011 at 12:56 p.m.
gemini65 said...

huckleberryfriend there are thousands of AMERICAN CITIZENS that cannot feed their children and they go without because they don't have a job. Why? Because illegals such as these two are taking the jobs that are available. I do have compassion; however, at some point you must also use common sense in addition to compassion. Unfortunately, our nation can longer be the safe haven it once was...we simply cannot afford it. Do we allow our own to suffer, those that have sacrificed and risked their lives for this nation in order to help immigrants who come here illegally? Here in Dalton they are schooled on how to take advantage of our government when they arrive. Why don't they do as our forefathers did? STAY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS AND A BETTER LIFE. You know why? Because that is to difficult...it's easier to come here as an illegal and take advantage of our country. I do believe the majority of American citizens are sick and tired of being taken advantage of and ready to put a stop to it. I do believe if we all would pull together and leave the bipartisan BS out of the picture we can do it and maybe get our country back on track.

November 27, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.

The children are innocents. When is our outrage against evil in America and around the world going to encompass ALL evil, not just the evils that affect us personally?

Look it up, Foster Care in America has plenty of its own evils-child abuse, murder and rape-and CPS looks the other way-particularly in Georgia, California, New York, Philadelphia, Miami, Boston, Washington DC, etc, etc, etc.

I love my country, but hey, enough is enough. We're not blind, deaf and mute. What's your excuse?

November 27, 2011 at 1:27 p.m.
Wilder said...

The wealthy totally control our government.

The wealthy can hold power only as long as the masses allow them to, e.g., Saddam Hussein, Moammar Kadafi, et al.

When the wealthy become so obssessed that they are willing use their power to disable laws critical to our country's survival, they are treading on shakey ground.

Hopefully, citizens will stop listening to the propaganda that the talking heads spew on the idiot box, and begin to interpret what is or isn't reality, for themselves, before it is too late.

Having 20 illegal foreign nationals thumb their noses at our country's immigration laws, and move in next door, tends to wake one up to reality, in a hurry.

November 27, 2011 at 1:31 p.m.

Gemini, read my first post carefully-I said I agree with that-except for the lack of compassion and understanding from many of these posters. Believe me, I do understand completely the loss of jobs, homes, things, etc, that US citizens have suffered, not to mention, much needed social services and hospital care.

But to say or imply that all illegals are malicious creatures that knowingly come here to wreck our country, is to not comprehend the full meaning of desperation and depravity one faces in any Third World country or brutal regime today. Many come here on refugee status and could relay truths that would slay you, just to imagine what they have seen and experienced. Are all refugees greedy and vicious? No. Neither are all illegals.

My main point was that OUR Governments (globally) do know, comprehend and are complicit in way too much of this. They could fix the problem and refuse to do so. WE, the people should hold them accountable and demand they and their world-wide "partners" FIX THE PROBLEM. That is the only true, just and compassionate thing to do. God help us.

November 27, 2011 at 1:39 p.m.

Don't compare our wealthy to Saddam or Khaddafi or any other Terrorist. That's dishonest and a typical socialist-news bite mishmash. When's the last time the wealthy or Corporations rigged the foster care or child services system? It's the fault of government workers (and us) at all levels and their complicity/looking the other way when evil happens. If anyone here thinks this is a Fox News/Conservative/Tea Party problem, you're plain nuts and plain brainwashed by Socialist news bites or reading the Communist Daily-way too much under the bedcovers-in the dark of night.

Cut the class envy/division and cut to the chase. Our federal/state government CAN fix this problem and refuses. When they need to intervene, they're nowhere to be found. When they don't need to intervene, they're all over us like a dirty shirt.

November 27, 2011 at 1:50 p.m.
01centare said...

@"The foster parents receive about $7,500 monthly -- $90,000 per year -- to care for the five..."

I was wondering why the children were placed into the foster care system, rather than remaining with the parents if their only problems were their medical conditions. Looks like these foster parents might have someone on the inside of DEFACS helping them to bilk the foster care system. With that kind of money involved, they can even split the check with whomever helped to get the children removed. None of that 7,500grand has to actually be used to care for the children, as most all of the needed supplies will come from Medicaid or other sources.

November 27, 2011 at 1:51 p.m.
Wilder said...

Huckleberry

You might want to consider a remedial reading course. Generally speaking, people who want to enforce our immigration laws aren't labeled as socialists.

Immigration laws and child services are apples and oranges, even though lobbyists have succeeded in forcing taxpayers to provide these services to non-citizens.

I didn't compare the wealthy to terrorists, but stated that if the wealthy are stupid enough to use their power to disable our country's essential laws, to make more money, they are on shakey ground, and eventually the people will either react or go down with them.

"You’re blowing it with Fox News. The axis today is not liberal and conservative, the axis is constructive-destructive, and you’ve cast your lot with the destructive people. Fox has become an incredibly destructive force in our society. You can be better, and this is going to be your legacy if you’re not careful." Steve Jobs to his friend Rupert Murdoch - Job's Biography

November 27, 2011 at 2:33 p.m.

"The wealthy totally control our government. The wealthy can hold power only as long as the masses allow them to, e.g., Saddam Hussein, Moammar Kadafi, et al. When the wealthy become so obssessed that they are willing use their power to disable laws critical to our country's survival, they are treading on shakey ground." (Wilder)

1) Wilder, I don't need remedial reading, you do-of your own words above. Your biases betray you my boy. In those sentences, you did indeed associate and imply (whether intended or not)-wealth association with brutal Dictators or terrorists. Your sentences can be taken word for word out of the Alinsky Manual or the Communist Manifesto. Whatever evils some wealthy do to affect our country-is not the point here.

2) you might be surprised how many liberals or socialists don't agree with illegal immigration

3) apples and oranges regarding this issue are in fact, bedfellows. CPS and other entities (humans, that is) have forced this upon the American people and have created a corrupt system for the simple reason that we, the people have ALLOWED them free rein.

4) your Steve Jobs quote sounds good, but for one thing: he omitted the rest of the corrupt, biased media, thus negating his whole tirade-as if Murdoch is the only wealthy mogul with a media empire in the US, Canada or Europe...oh and he is now a dead man.

Again, read my posts and see the main point-which is the corrupt systems we complicitly allow to exist.

With all due respect of course, I do get your true points and agree with those.

November 27, 2011 at 3:06 p.m.
AuntJane said...

This whole tirade is ridiculous! If the people can't care for their children they need to be removed from the home. If all they need is a little help, where are the churches? Opps, guess that would be unconstitutional for churches to help. Anyway, businesses have encouraged these people to come here illegally for cheap labor and our government has encouraged it. Stop the jobs, seal the border, send the illegals home but don't take it out on these poor people who really are, to some extent, victims.

November 27, 2011 at 3:07 p.m.

"With that kind of money involved, they can even split the check with whomever helped to get the children removed. None of that 7,500 grand has to actually be used to care for the children, as most all of the needed supplies will come from Medicaid or other sources." (01Centare)

You've hit the nail on the head, it goes on in the West far too much and more than most folks know. North America, Europe-yes, such liberal compassion, such progressive ideals-and every day children suffer, suffer the outrage of rape, sexual and physical slavery and imprisonment, beatings... and we look away, assuming if it's "government care", it's good care, it's okay. When is it ever okay to unjustly take children away from their parents to be raised by the State? I pray for this family to be reunited and helped properly or sent back to their families in Guatemala. The children need their parents.

I pray this family and others of our own citizens will see justice and mercy. Hopefully, the foster family for these children is a good and honest one. They better be, Someone is watching and the time of His wrath is near.

November 27, 2011 at 3:19 p.m.
mymy said...

“The world of reality has its problems, so it is understandable that some people want to escape to a different world, where you can talk lofty talk and forget about ugly realities like costs and repercussions. The world of reality is not nearly as lovely as the world of Liberal Land. No wonder so many people want to go there.” Thomas Sowell

Seems this country is full of fools. I roll in the floor laughing every time someone mentions a country of laws. The government makes the laws and the government does not uphold them. The death of this country is recognized by some and they have started the long, painful mourning of its death.

November 27, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
dswanger said...

I wonder what the answer would be if the illegal parents were told that they could have their children back, but only under the agreement that they would all return to their own country.

November 27, 2011 at 3:56 p.m.
eastridge8 said...

They've been here 10 years and STILL can't speak English??! Good Grief! Don't they have a TV or radio? They have a car with a radio, surely! The 7 yr old...was he/she in school? Aren't the children learning English? Can't they even make the EFFORT??!!

I agree that the Employers are at fault for hiring them and thus they stay but this is TOO MUCH! The laws need to be changed! And the employers need to be held accountable.

America is being pushed to the limit!

November 27, 2011 at 4:46 p.m.
PinkSalmon said...

Privately owned Immigration Detention Centers are cropping up all over America. The federal government is spending millions, even billions, for their operations. They look like modern day concentration camps. Sexual, physical abuses, tortures and deaths at the hands of detention guards at these concentration camps are rampant.

Remember, these centers are privately owned and operated, but are only able to be in business due to your federal tax dollars spending millions and billions for their operations. I've heard there's one in Texas that's one of the most brutal. I.C.E. has barred any human rights organization from entering and questioning detainees. Detainees have also been warned against making complaints against the centers and staff. One woman, a Canadian(they're not all from south of the border), spoke out about the sexual abuse she endured and only in shadow. Although, she's back in Canada, the experience was so traumatizing for her that she stil fears for her safety and was only willing speak out in shadow. Taylor, Texas/Hutto Immigration Detention Center.

America's own Gulags, operating on American soil:

Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the for-profit company that operates Hutto and most other immigration detention centers in this country, worked with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to rehabilitate the facility. It was duly relieved of housing families and revamped to provide women detainees with a less punitive residential experience.

Then this August another guard at the facility, Donald Charles Dunn, was arrested for sexually assaulting several detainees while transporting them for release. To date, no one knows exactly how many women he assaulted before deportation or release. The incident stood out as a remarkable failure of justice and publicly revived Hutto’s troubling legacy of bad management and misconduct.

November 27, 2011 at 4:57 p.m.
PinkSalmon said...

eastridge8 said... They've been here 10 years and STILL can't speak English??! Good Grief! Don't they have a TV or radio? They have a car with a radio, surely! The 7 yr old...was he/she in school? Aren't the children learning English? Can't they even make the EFFORT??!!

The older one is the more difficult it becomes to learn a new language. Earlier immigrants from Europe didn't learn to speak much English either, their children did. However, with the exception of a few words or phrases here and there, many of the parents were never able to master the language.

November 27, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.
Wilder said...

Huckleberry said...

Your biases betray you my boy. In those sentences, you did indeed associate and imply (whether intended or not)-wealth association with brutal Dictators or terrorists.

Let me qualify wealthy - the principals of corportations with multi-billion dollar market capitalizations - not people who can afford a new bass boat, but people who can afford a new 150ft yacht - people who wouldn't give you the time of day, if your life depended on it. They totally control our politicians.

What is laughable is that even though these people are as alien to you as Martians, pretend reporters on fake news shows have manipulated you into thinking you're in their league, because you didn't have to take the wheels off of the last home you bought.

November 27, 2011 at 5:36 p.m.
kbvette said...

eastridge8 said:

They've been here 10 years and STILL can't speak English??! Good Grief! Don't they have a TV or radio? They have a car with a radio, surely! The 7 yr old...was he/she in school? Aren't the children learning English? Can't they even make the EFFORT??!!

I agree that the Employers are at fault for hiring them and thus they stay but this is TOO MUCH! The laws need to be changed! And the employers need to be held accountable.

America is being pushed to the limit!America is being pushed to the limit!

Not just that they cannot speak English after 10 years, but MY question is WHY are they STILL HERE after being here for 10 years illegally??? They have FIVE anchor babies (or had), they should have been deported years ago. Plus, if the disabilities are genetic, why wasn't the mother or father sterilized after it was detected? I could never continue having children fully knowing that either myself or the father was passing on a disability. That is insane and I blame the doctors who treated her for not pushing a tubal ligation or vasectomy (or both)after baby number 2 to stop it from continuing, or in the alternative, birth control of some sort. Now there are five children with severe disabilities that are in foster care because their biological parents couldn't stop having children for one reason or another. Culture cannot be an argument here. They are in America now, not Guatemala. It is shocking that they have spent "thousands" on legal fees, etc., to get their kids back, but haven't spent one dime to change their status! Now they have an immigration attorney in Atlanta helping them (probably pro bono) to get their documents. IMHO, too little, too late.

November 27, 2011 at 5:55 p.m.
brokentoe said...

When it's all said and done, it's still all about the money. Those immigrants were encouraged to come here for the cheap labor. Now, someone's getting richer by the moment because some entered the country illegally.

"If a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, you're only as free and safe from persecution in your country as the person next to you is free of being oppressed."

November 27, 2011 at 6:07 p.m.
ceeweed said...

45 million Americans have NO health insurance! Working Americans worry how they would pay for a catastrophic illness or injury...Special baby beds that cost $8,000.00? Do they come with an X-Box and surround sound?... I'm sure these parents love their children and should not have to sign away their rights...and I am not sure that Georgia will be stand-up parents for these special-needs children...not when Americans with special-needs kids are left wanting, waiting, and begging for help...As long as the Carpet Kings and their shareholders are happy, I guess we should just ignore these troubling tales of woe.

November 27, 2011 at 6:16 p.m.
unhappygrammy said...

The big problem is the State provides everything to foster stranger, but does nothing to help bio parent's.Stop the Destruction of Families, whether their illegal immigrant's or American citizens.

November 27, 2011 at 8:16 p.m.
westie79 said...

These folks from central america are a bane on our existence. Why did this idiot keep having kids? Did she/they hope to finally get it right & get one w/o special needs? Give them $10K and send them back to Guatamalastan.

November 27, 2011 at 9:45 p.m.
MedKat said...

The government has let a lot of immigrants into the country but the only ones we seem to be worried about are the Mexicans.We forget about the ones from India buying up stores, motels and hotels. Legal or not it still takes jobs from the American people.Lets not forget the Egyptions taking flying lessons in America and using the planes as weapons against us.If all immigrants, legal or not, left America something else would arise to fuss and fight about.We are in the end of days;Nation against nation, man against man.The beast is rising and will show no mercy till Gods wrath comes.

November 27, 2011 at 11:26 p.m.
bbowling said...

This article has raised so many different opinions and questions from the people in our community. As a foster/adoptive parent in a North Georgia county I ask that the Times follow up this article with another answering some of the very many questions that people are asking from the article.

November 28, 2011 at 8:20 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

I'm with you kbvette...

Why ARE they still here? And why are they continuing to have babies knowing of these disabilities? Didn't these INTERPRETERS explain that part? Didn't the Doctors? Bet they did and we are so afraid of offending their "cultural heritage" it was dismissed.

I say send them back to Central America...since thay can't be bothered to learn English...send them home where they will be more "comfortable".

Enough is ENOUGH!

November 28, 2011 at 12:04 p.m.
potcat said...

This man and woman should be made to get FIXED. They are not going anywhere, they have JOBS and are known to be illegal Aliens who immigrated to America and had five kids with Genetic Illness, which says to me that these two should not be having any Children togeather EVER.These Anchor babies cost the American Tax Payer over $100,000 a year.The Authority who are suppose to be enforcing the law is a joke and not a funny one either!!!

Did any one watche 60 mins. last night about homeless Amercan children with American BORN Parents, that sleep and live in cars. They are thousands of Americans that can't find a Job and are homeless, and lets not get started on our Veterans.

This group in Chattanooga "Bridges for Refugees" that get Federal Grant money to bring every thing from Iraq ETC. fill in the blanks to this Country and set them up and are put on the dole or take a job from an American, they are getting custodian jobs at American schools and have health Insurance and an Apartment furnished with the fridge and pantry filled with food as soon as they land, i am talking Middle Eastern and such, how do you like your Tax money spent on that.

I don't want to hear these Churchs supporting this, because in my book Charity begains at home and that goes to Adoption, when they are millions of American kids in need of a home, its unchristian, PREIOD. This Agency should be shut down NOW, untill every REAL American is helped first.

Go to CBS.Com and watch last nights program, it will make your blood boil!!!

November 28, 2011 at 1:55 p.m.
hcurrie7 said...

I worked at Lookout Mtn Community Services when they took these children. She was preg with the 5th and Debra Parrish was already planning to take it b/c the foster family wanted to adopt the kids. These means money for businesses like Lookout Mtn, Transport services, counselors, supervised visitations. Walker Co DFCS has made a thriving community business out of stealing ppls kids. Dont believe me go to Lafayette and show me a business that is not connected to DFCS or court.

November 28, 2011 at 6:20 p.m.
SunniMei said...

If you came into this country illegally you know that times is going to be hard. You basically have no rights in this country. So why in the hell should you have 5 children? And when you know that your kids have or will have medical conditions, why do you go on having more kids.

It makes me mad that America have to bend backward for these people. They won't learn to speak english. They live here but they won't adapt to the culture. They are so set in their own ways. And most of them don't like it here. So why the hell are they here?

And another thing. Our own people can't get help from the government but these people are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars every years. Does that make sense?

I know is not right to take the children away from the parents. I think the government should send the kids with the parents when they get deported.

I know there good people. But they need to think twice before deciding what to do next. Everything you do has a consequence.

December 8, 2011 at 10:57 a.m.
llamatron said...

This case is completely disgusting. It's pretty obvious these children are only in state custody because it suits the states' purposes, not because the children are actually being neglected. Saying these parents only have the educations of second graders does not mean they are children--they are loving adults who obviously know how to care for their disabled children and have done everything the state asked of them.

Everyone knows disabled kids in state custody get more money per month for care than non-disabled kids. That is why every kid who goes into custody is immediately drugged up--because drugged kids get more money than undrugged kids! When you have kids this this you've practically hit the JACKPOT! No wonder the foster parents want to adopt them! They're set for life!

This case has been handled illegally. You cannot take the children without a warrant signed by a judge, which I'm sure wasn't done. You have to prove BEFOREHAND that neglect was occurring. This obviously wasn't done. These parents were intimidated by the presence of cops on purpose in order to force their compliance to an illegal kidnapping by the state. Poor parents probably didn't know their rights.

Let me paint this picture for you: these children, who are legal citizens, are going to continue to be a drain on society no matter who cares for them. In foster care, they will be even MORE of a drain. Now taxpayers will have to pay for their room and board and clothes etc--instead of just their medical costs! So everybody can just stop worrying about that right now. It's better for taxpayers when children are in their own parents' care.

The state (and by that I mean this states' version of the Department of Human Services / Child Protective Services) makes no money off of disabled children in their parents' care. It's easy to take disabled children from their parents ("What's that, doctor? You think these children might be starving but you have no proof? That's enough to terminate their rights!!"), place them in foster care, and rake in the dough. Especially if mom and dad are illegals and speak no English.

I'm appalled that so many people think it's ok to kidnap people's children simply because the parents do not speak english or have citizenship. What a sorry lot Americans have become--to be so vile and evil and contemptible.

June 26, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
llamatron said...

SunniMei, where does it say the parents are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?

Which do you think the parents would prefer? Poverty or America? I think the choice is pretty clear.

Since when is it anybody's business how many children a person has? Are you implying that genetically inferior humans shouldn't be allowed to breed? Are you saying eugenics is acceptable?

June 26, 2012 at 2:46 p.m.
llamatron said...

There is no such thing as an "ANCHOR BABY".

People are deported all the time and their children put into foster care. It's deplorable.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/11/thousands_of_kids_lost_in_foster_homes_after_parents_deportation.html

June 26, 2012 at 2:54 p.m.
llamatron said...

"In closing, Kling said, "We basically have two individuals with first- to second-grade educations and although they have the capacity to love and care for their children, they do not have the capacity to understand their immense medical needs to properly address them.""

Really? Since when did Spanish become a language with no medical terminology? If the interpreters are doing their jobs, there is NO lack of understanding.

There is this idea that Spanish-speaking individuals are not intelligent enough to 'understand' things. Considering medical terminology is latin and greek based, and so is Spanish--English being only loosely related--I'd say a Spanish-speaking parent has a higher capacity of understanding medically related terminology and explanations.

June 26, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
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