published Thursday, August 9th, 2012

The Swiss Bank

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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BigRidgePatriot said...

How nice, The Wart is back on topic. Looking forward to Romney offering to release his tax returns when Obama releases his (comical) collage transcripts.

August 9, 2012 at 12:56 a.m.
jtrip said...

Did Occidental offer comical collage? Is that like scrapbooking?

August 9, 2012 at 1:22 a.m.
dougmusn said...

Come to think of it, Obama has not released his kindergarten report cards either. It would sure be nice to know if he played well with others or colored within the lines...

August 9, 2012 at 5:25 a.m.
joneses said...

Why are Clay Bennett's cartoons always filled with lies, hate and intolerance? This one is more proof Clay and the liberals know nothing about business. If you look close you will find that Hussein Obama is invested in overseas accounts as well. I am and anyone that is not might want to take a look at their retirement funds. Did you know that Hussein Obama is invested in oil companies? Did you know that anyone who has a retirement fund is invested in oil companies as well as overseas investments? Clay is either ignorant about how investments work or is a liar. I would say he is a both stupid, dishonest and filled with hate.

The chair of the Democrat National Committee, Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has been all over television bashing GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney for his offshore accounts.

It turns out that Schultz herself parked money in Swiss bank accounts and other overseas investments, according to reporting by the Weekly Standard.

…disclosure forms reveal that in 2010, Wasserman Schultz invested between $1,001-$15,000 in a 401k retirement fund run by Davis Financial Fund. As the fund discloses, it is invested in the Julius Baer Group Ltd. and the State Bank of India GDR Ltd., as well as other financial, insurance, bank institutions.

Another example of liberal hypocrisy by the hate filled intolerant Bennett.

August 9, 2012 at 5:38 a.m.
joneses said...

What does Hussein Obama know?

What President Obama's Investments Tell Us About the President Greg Mankiw reacts to the news about where the President is investing his own money these days:

This is surprising:

The Obamas reported total financial assets valued between $2.8 million and $11.8 million in 2010....They report having between $1.1 million-$5.25 million invested in Treasury bills and another $1 million to $5 million in Treasury notes....The Obamas report having between $200,000-$450,000 invested in the Vanguard 500 Index Fund.

In other words, it looks like the president has less than 10 percent of his personal financial assets invested in equities. This is far, far smaller than financial advisers would recommend. (If you are curious, I am at 60 percent equities.) Either the president is not very financially savvy, or he has reason to believe that the future of the U.S. economy is not very bright.

We can rule out the idea that the President is too busy to think about his investments given all the interesting pastimes with which he fills his days, perhaps best demonstrated by the presentation of his March Madness brackets this year, which required a significant amount of preparation on the part of the President to discuss the relative strengths of 64 college basketball teams in making his NCAA tournament picks.

So really, the question is really between whether the President lacks financially savvy in avoiding equities in his investment portfolio, or perhaps is exploiting inside knowledge of the business situation facing publicly traded companies in the U.S., by effectively betting against the prospects of American companies doing well in 2012.

Trading based upon inside knowledge is a widespread problem in Washington D.C., where everyone from elected officials and their family members to Congressional staffers and government bureaucrats exploit what they know about the legislation and regulations they craft and enforce to earn disproportionate gains compared to ordinary investors in the markets, an ethical issue that is not resolved by the blind trusts many politicians set up.

But in this case, given what we've shown about the President's personal finances prior to becoming President, we'd have to say once again that Barack Obama is not a smart man where money matters are concerned.

August 9, 2012 at 5:59 a.m.
alprova said...

Joneses, Foreign investments and foreign bank accounts are two destinctly different things. People with foreign investments pay taxes on those foreign investments. Americans who stow money into foreign held bank accounts is done so as a means used to avoid paying income taxes to the IRS.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz's foreign investments are perfectly legal and they will have taxes paid on them. Mitt Romney has avoided paying taxes on much of his income by storing much of his income in banks outside of the United States.

Nobody is beating Mitt Romney up over any foreign investments that he may hold, if in fact he has any. Practically everyone who has a retirement account with investments placed in mutual funds has foreign investments somewhere in their portfolio, that is if they are smart.

Mitt Romney has had or still has a great deal of his wealth parked in the Cayman Islands and in Swiss bank accounts. Both have been verified to be true by people who handle Mitt Romney's finances.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-stashed-money-cayman-islands/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/16/barack-obama/mitt-romney-had-millions-swiss-bank-account-barack/

August 9, 2012 at 6:06 a.m.
joneses said...

Al

Either one is a good business decision, just ask the Kennedy's, Gore's, Pelosi's, Soro's, Gates, or Buffet and any other multimillionaire/billionaire. There is nothing wrong with putting your money where you want. It is done everyday by everyone. This biased hate filled cartoon is a attempt to mislead the ignorant and you know it but then again I know how liberals get when bothered with the facts. Hussein Obama has said we live in a "Global" economy. It is pathetic Hussein Obama does not know what a "Global" economy is.

August 9, 2012 at 6:11 a.m.
joneses said...

You need look no further than his hero, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. to understand where the current Obama, the president of the United States stands:

“Bring down all the rich guys by the power of the state, confiscate their land, property, raise taxes as high as you want – 100% if necessary, and obtain their wealth through fiat and legislative piracy. The rationale is that the wealth is not rightfully theirs, in the first place, but had been ripped off from the poor.”

  • Barack Hussein Obama Senior, East African Journal 1965
August 9, 2012 at 6:12 a.m.
ITguy said...

What no one has mentioned is that Romney's tax returns provide a perfect example of what happens when you cut taxes for the wealthy. They do not create more jobs with that money. At least not in America. Trickle down economics is the biggest lie of the 20th century. More tax cuts for the wealthy just means that the rich get richer. I am amazed that so many middle class people support the Republican party.

August 9, 2012 at 6:19 a.m.
EaTn said...

When a kid gets his hand caught in the cookie jar, his first reaction is to distract by telling on his brother for something else. The right-wingers still have this mentality by trying to distract Mittens "cookie jar" hidden tax returns with an Obama smokescreen. Guess what-- most adults are smarter than to fall for the typical right-wing swift-boat tactic. . Mittens may fool the gullible, but not the average voter. Fess-up Mittens!!

August 9, 2012 at 6:31 a.m.
alprova said...

And people wonder why it is that public figures are so reluctant to disclose personal information about themselves. Now the President's investment choices are being ANALyzed for any hint of conspiracy.

Imagine all the fun that the Obama bashers would have in pouring over his college transcripts, which are meaningless as a means by which to evaluate a candidate. I'm a self-educated person who has evolved and learned most of what I know long after I left institutions of higher learning.

Mitt Romney has touted himself as a job creator, which is not supported by his record as Governor of Massachusetts, nor as a businessman as CEO of Bain Capital.

Mitt Romney has an established record of making lots of money and has gone to a great deal of trouble to avoid paying what has been due in taxes on his income over the years. I don't fault him for that, but I do find his dishonesty surrounding the issue to be very troubling.

Now Mitt Romney and his campaign can call these charges viscous rumors all day long, but the longer he avoids coming clean about them or refuting them with proof, the more they appear to be hitting a mark.

Mitt Romney has become a very wealthy man by founding a company and becoming a very realistic Gordon Gekko, who has bought and then bankrupted company after company and pocketed a very large fortune off the backs of not a few, but hundreds of thousands of Americans who have had to go on to pick up their lives after being displaced from some formerly decent jobs.

That is a fact that no one can refute, not even the man himself.

If this is what constitutes a good leader and the trait of a budding admirable President, then I truly do fear for the future of this nation. It's living proof that the United States system of Capitalism is completely out of control and we are all in danger of losing our livelyhoods.

Mitt Romney, as the man of the hour who is the darling of the Republican Party, is a very big reason why my support for the Democrat Party grows stronger every passing year.

No political candidate is perfect, but with each passing day of this year's campaign, and the more I discover about Mitt Romney, the more perplexed I am that he has emerged the nominee.

But then, I understand exactly why it is that he has emerged as the best that the Republicans have to offer.

The decent and good Republicans would never subject themselves to all the scrutiny and vetting performed by the most ignorant of people on a daily basis. And the invention of the internet has made it all the worse.

August 9, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said..."Either one is a good business decision"

Perhaps. But, one is lawful, the other might not be. The President takes an oath to uphold the Constitution. There is enough information in the one tax return that Romney has disclosed to raise suspicion that Romney may have been thumbing his nose at the nation's tax codes and, thus, at the Constitution.

It would be very easy for Romney to put this controversy to rest. All he would have to do is follow the example established by his father.

August 9, 2012 at 6:54 a.m.
MTJohn said...

alprova said..."No political candidate is perfect, but with each passing day of this year's campaign, and the more I discover about Mitt Romney, the more perplexed I am that he has emerged the nominee."

There is nothing perplexing about it, Al. The key to the puzzle is Crossroads GPS. All of the other candidates were essential to the soap opera script, to ensure good ratings for the debates and to maintain teavangelist enthusiasm. But, Romney was the only one on the list acceptable to Rove and Norquist.

Who knows? Romney could be one of the major supporters of Crossroads GPS. If that money is coming out of a Swiss account, it would be difficult to discover. And, Crossroads GPS does not have to disclose its donors.

August 9, 2012 at 7:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Joneses wrote: "Either one is a good business decision, just ask the Kennedy's, Gore's, Pelosi's, Soro's, Gates, or Buffet and any other multimillionaire/billionaire."

Someone may correct me, but I have never read one word about any of the Kennedy's, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, or Bill Gates having money stashed in tax havens. Warren Buffet most likely does.

"There is nothing wrong with putting your money where you want."

An American who pays income taxes on all income derived through conducting commerce in this country, who then places it wherever they want throughout the world is perfectly fine. Any American who places money into off-shore bank accounts for the sole purpose of hiding it from the IRS, in order to avoid taxation, is guilty of treason in my personal opinion.

"It is done everyday by everyone."

You're obviously very confused. I personally do not know a soul who has a Swiss or Cayman Island bank account. I do however, know many people who have investments in foreign stocks.

I urge you to brush up on the vast difference between the two very different financial matters, in order to address your ignorance.

August 9, 2012 at 7:15 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Guess what-- most adults are smarter than to fall for the typical right-wing swift-boat tactic. . Mittens may fool the gullible, but not the average voter.

Given what I read and hear on a daily basis I doubt this.

August 9, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Hey...Bennett...Don't forget to draw the next one...bemoaning Romney as a murderer. That one will go over "big" with your "fans"....

August 9, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.

Given the successes of the wealth-envy racket, this issue could very likely decide the election, especially if the media’s strategy to keep the least scrutinized candidate in American history in office is as successful as their strategy to elect him to his first term/internship. I remember the SNL skit in ’08 where the debate moderator’s toughest question for Obama was “Can I get you a glass of water?”

August 9, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
MTJohn said...

wwww - wealth accumulation is an American value. Wealth accumulation through illegal and unethical means is not.

August 9, 2012 at 8:44 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

especially if the media’s strategy to keep the least scrutinized candidate in American history in office is as successful as their strategy to elect him to his first term/internship

Garbage. Given the GOP/Teaparty's dislike of the man, any dirt that was out there has been found and revealed by now. It should be obvious from the continued wacko conspiracy theories and calls for Obama to reveal EVERYTHING from school records to proof that he was potty trained. No one seems to be offering a coherent alternative to his administration, and claims against his character must use quote-mines, video clips taken out of context and outright lies. The GOP has tons of money, so if there is anything legit out there, they could have found it.

August 9, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.
carlB said...

"VOTE FOR TRUTH, NOT THE LIES"

August 9, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Romney must be very afraid of what the American people would find out about him if he told the truth. He's assuming he can be elected while keeping a clamp on information any intelligent person would expect to have before making a decision about a candidate. Romney's "positions" are a mixture boilerplate bombast and frequent flip-flops. He won't disclose his tax returns, hides his wealth in off-shore and secret Swiss accounts, provides no specifics about how he would cut the deficit. We don't know what he would actually do about anything, with the possible exception of backing up Israel in a war against Iran Republicans hope we'll be satisfied with Romney's glossy exterior. That's what used to be called buying "a pig in a poke."

August 9, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
MTJohn said...

CarlB - truth will not be on the ballot this year. But, there will more lies on the R side because the R's and their pacs have more money to spread them.

August 9, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
mtngrl said...

"The Case of the Senator Who Did Not Bark

As the controversy over Mitt Romney's tax returns continues, the one person other than Romney himself who could settle this has been completely silent. That would be Sen. John McCain, who inspected 23 years of Romney's tax returns in 2008 when he was considering Romney as a possible running mate. All he would have to do is hold a press conference and say: "Harry Reid is wrong. I personally saw Romney's tax returns going back over two decades and he paid federal income tax every year." But McCain has said nothing at all at a moment he could help Romney and hurt Reid. Why? It seems very strange. Maybe Reid is right and McCain knows this."

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/Maps/Aug08.html#item-3

August 9, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
mymy said...

89 Days to Go:

As predicted last year—0-bama can't run on his record --and can't run on what he would have planned for another 4 years----so 0-bama’s campaign will be endless baseless attacks and lies on his opponents----and many brain dead will fall in line as seen here. Hopefully, many more will get sick of this and finally see through his lies.

“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” ― Mark Twain

A boss passes blame---a leader solves the problems----0bama isn't a leader he is Liar in Chief!!!

August 9, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I don't care about the Messiah's grades. I want to see what's on his applications.

August 9, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
conservative said...

Why didn't the very Liberal loontoonist complete the lie and depict Dirty Liar Harry Reid opening the vault door?

August 9, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

conservative: Well, that's different.

August 9, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.
mtngrl said...

"Jack_Dennis said...

I don't care about the Messiah's grades. I want to see what's on his applications."

So you deny being a birther on my private page, but play it up here for your winger friends?

August 9, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
chatt_man said...

If I say it enough times, it'll be true.

Money is bad, money is bad, money is bad. Aspiring to be something and have something is bad, aspiring to be something and have something is bad. If I have worked hard and accumulated wealth, I've taken it from someone else. If I have worked hard and accumulated wealth, I've taken it from someone else. If there weren't people that have more than I, I would have more. If there weren't people that have more than I, I would have more. The harder I work, the more I take from someone else that's more deserving. The harder I work, the more I take from someone else that's more deserving.

August 9, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.

lkeithlu said... The GOP has tons of money, so if there is anything legit out there, they could have found it.


Ditto for the Dems and Romney. The right-wing information outlets have nowhere near the audiences of the left-wing media (Obama PR department), who will stop at nothing to re-anoint the promised one.

Obama Depart of Justice and voter intimidation/suppression: One former career DOJ lawyer’s inside take on Obama’s disregard for rule of law. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/25/inside-the-black-panther-case-anger-ignorance-and-/

Scrutiny = scare tactic? Nice try.


MTJohn said... wealth accumulation is an American value.

It used to be, until the left began using “greed” as a synonym for success.

Wealth creation is not a sin. It’s quite necessary, in fact, for wealth distribution. (Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.)

Fair share, blah blah blah.

August 9, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mtngirl: Not at all....could easily be creating fraud by claiming foreign exchange student. Think beyond your preconceived bias.

August 9, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

keithLu: You cannot say that the MSM has vetted His Greatness thoroughly. Can you say that with a straight face?

August 9, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ditto for the Dems and Romney. The right-wing information outlets have nowhere near the audiences of the left-wing media

I beg to differ on two points. The second: Fox News, the Drudge report, the Wall Street Journal all enjoy a healthy following. Conservatives probably make up half of our population. (of course, if you follow conservative the poster's line of reasoning, more than 50% of our population is Christian therefore conservative).

First, the one thing that Romney is being asked to do (make public his tax returns) he refuses to do, when in fact, all presidential candidates do, including Reagan, Bushes, Clinton, and his own father. That he refuses to do this when it is expected of all candidates and not an unusual expectation makes it look like he his hiding something that could be quite problematic in his bid for the White House.

I don't have a problem with Romney's wealth, as long as he follows the laws of the land and pays taxes like everyone else. I do have a problem with his gaining his wealth through eliminating jobs, but if what he did was legal, then so be it. It boils down to just my opinion then, which doesn't matter. Hiding it and bashing the president on job creation, though? That crosses the line.

August 9, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lu: The "line" is very subjective. Could your line possibly be in a different place than mine? If Willard has done anything illegal, run his butt off. Will you say the same thing about The Dear Leader?

August 9, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

JD: You cannot say that the MSM has vetted His Greatness thoroughly. Can you say that with a straight face?

It's not MSM's job to vet a candidate. That is the job of both the nominating party to avoid embarrassment down the road and wasted time (remember Palin?) and the opposing party to gather material to use in the campaign.

August 9, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Eau contrarie Madam Lu. The MSM dug RELENTLESSLY into dubya's background. Palin as well. That IS their job. BHO has had a free pass and any objective person can see it. Where am I wrong?

August 9, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Jack, my "preconceived bias" about you being a birther is based on your own posts, specifically this one:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jul/26/presidency-caly-bennett-cartoon-chattanooga-times/#c180650

Out of your thousands of posts on here that are nothing but drivel, this is the first one I have seen you post that actually has any specifics at all. If you are not a birther, then why do you post like you are one? If you are then own up to it.

August 9, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

girl: Never been a birther. But have always said something is hinky in BHO's background. The press isn't willing to dig. Someone will. Wait & see.

August 9, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I don't think you are wrong, I say that the media is not the ones who MUST do the job. Rest assured, the conservative media and the GOP have dug up everything they can possibly find. They give their own a free pass just as the liberal media do theirs. My point is that if Obama has "secrets" they would have been revealed. The media of one persuasion can't hide things from everyone else.

August 9, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ok Lu: But the media of "one persuasion" makes up about 95% of the media. No?

August 9, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

no not that it would matter anyway

August 9, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The press isn't willing to dig.

The GOP is, and they have the resources. So do the PACs.

August 9, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lu: and something will turn up. and it will be about BHO's college years.

August 9, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
tderng said...

alprova said... Any American who places money into off-shore bank accounts for the sole purpose of hiding it from the IRS, in order to avoid taxation, is guilty of treason in my personal opinion.

Do you have any proof that Mitt Romney has done this? NO!You are merely helping to spread the liberal LIES.Perhaps he paid the taxes and then placed the money in these accounts so that the socialist in chief can't get to it to "spread the wealth."That would be a very sound decision and would do so myself if I had a lot of money.With the way the the left wants to redistribute the wealth in America it is probably the smartest thing a wealthy person can do to protect their money!

August 9, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I remember when Swift Boat Veterans, a superPac, made John Kerry (a real war veteran) look like less of an American than Bush II (who spent a little time in the National Guard but left to work in a campaign). These same ones would show Romney as a main stream Christian (which he is not) and Obama as a muslim (when he has been a Christian all of his life); PACs also show Gingrich as "for family values", laughable given his marriage history and Obama "against family values" when he is married to his first wife and raising two lovely daughters. Never underestimate the power of politics to dig up and exaggerate anything to make their opponents look bad. The media does not have to do a thing. In fact, all media organizations have short attention spans and far more interest in what is happening on American Idol.

August 9, 2012 at 11 a.m.
carlB said...

MTJohn said... CarlB - truth will not be on the ballot this year. But, there will more lies on the R side because the R's and their pacs have more money to spread them.

Reply to MTJohn; You are correct about "Truth" not being on the election ballot, but although non of the candidates are perfe4ct, there is a difinite difference between the facts as to how Romney and the other Republicans have manipulated the truth of what President Obama has said.

The voters appear to have a judgment problem on whethwer to recognize the truth or to go with the deliberate lying of the Republicans.

August 9, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mtngirl: A myth? Are you serious?

Lu: I'm not talking about PACS. They all lie. I'm talking about the press, networks, etc. BTW, the swift boaters were right. Kerry was, and always has been, a pile of it.

August 9, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
timbo said...

This is the way liberals operate. No proof at all that he has money in a Swiss bank account. Since it is illegal for anyone to have access to private tax returns, where is Harry Reid and Bennett getting their information? Either they don't know or have broken the law.

It is none of my or your damn business what someone's tax returns say. I want to see Obama's birth certificate, school records and his e-mails.

Anyway, I think that Romney is in cahoots with Elvis, Bigfoot and some aliens to fire people from jobs to take away their insurance. He and Elvis want to kill babies, poison the water, sell the Washington memorial to the Chinese...etc. etc.

That is how ridiculous you dumb butt liberals sound. Your just a bunch of dishonest fools.

August 9, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
degage said...

Ike, Obama has not been a christian all his life. He was listed as islam in grade school and took instruction in that faith. His boss when he was a community organizer told him to find a church because the people he was organizing were christians. He is a christian only when it suits his purpose. You need to read his book and if you don't want to that get the talking book that has him reading it to you. I guess you will believe anything he wants you to believe.

August 9, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And the press never lies? My impression is that when a party or a PAC reports something, the supporting press trumpets it and the opposing press looks for holes. Investigative reporting is all reactionary now. It is really in each party's best interest to dig up any dirt on the opposing side and reveal it. To think that the media has any responsibility for doing this is naive. So, I stand by my statement. Obama has been in the forefront since he announced his bid for president. That's well over 4 years now. If there was anything at all out there, the GOP would have found it (hell; Hillary's team would have found it) and Obama does not have the power to stop that or to suppress it. The fact that birth certificates, religion, and college transcripts are still on conservatives' lips tells me that they can't find anything of substance.

August 9, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
mtngrl said...

"Jack_Dennis said...

mtngirl: A myth? Are you serious?"

Are you? At least I posted links to back up what I stated, you have nothing.

August 9, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

He was listed as islam in grade school and took instruction in that faith.

His grade school was not Islamic. So what if he took some instruction? It would behoove all of us to learn the tenets of the world's major religions. All my kids did in school. (we are all atheists at birth you know)

It really doesn't matter what his religious beliefs are, but to call him a muslim as an attack shows poor judgment on two fronts: it is a lie (he is not) and a president's religion is not the business of others. If you attack the president for his religious beliefs, then Romney's mormonism is also up for scrutiny. I assure you, Romney's camp does not want that.

August 9, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
Easy123 said...

timbo,

"No proof at all that he has money in a Swiss bank account."

False. His 2010 tax return shows that he had money in a Swiss Bank account and in the Cayman Islands.

This is Romney's tax return for 2010:

http://c4230422.r22.cf2.rackcdn.com/1040-2010.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/mitt-romney-taxes-2010_n_1683084.html

Apparently, the only person that didn't know this was you. Do some research next time, then you might not look like a moron.

You're just ignorant to the facts. :-)

August 9, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"He is a christian only when it suits his purpose."

Prove it. Otherwise it's baseless.

"I guess you will believe anything he wants you to believe."

What else do you or anyone have to go on in regard to Obama's religion? You are simply believing what you want to believe even though it goes contrary to all of the evidence. You are, what they call, a "conspiracy theorist". Nothing you believe about the President's religion is based on factual evidence. It is a complete fabrication.

August 9, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
degage said...

Ike, If what you say is so why do so many libs want to diss Romneys religion. All of you are a bunch of hypocrites. you say it's not the business of others what religion Obama is so that holds true for Romney or do you have a double standard on that matter.

August 9, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Degage, I say that whatever is true for Obama is true for Romney. The GOP can't have it both ways. Scrutinize the president's beliefs throughout his life if you like, but let's get all of the Mormon beliefs out there too. Unlike Obama, who is just a congregant, Romney is a leader in the church and can trace his lineage back several generations.

August 9, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

How can one be a hypocrite for what someone else said? Ikeithlu doesn't speak for all "libs".

August 9, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I predict that the GOP will call a stop to challenging Obama on his religious beliefs. They are not really participating now (they let the fringe do it for them) but the last thing they want is for the country to start focusing on the LDS. Romney is only the candidate because the others could not compete-the religious right has a real issue with the LDS, but everyone is just keeping quiet about it. The more the general public learns about the LDS, the less they will be likely to vote for him.

I remind you that in the past I have stated that ALL the Mormons I have ever met are good people. But the church has serious issues that present a problem for his campaign.

August 9, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: disappointed in you on the Mormon bit. I thought it was you enlightened crowd that always say religion shouldn't matter. Was I wrong on this?

August 9, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You are not listening, JD. If religion is to be an issue with Obama then it is also an issue with Romney. If Romney is off the hook on his beliefs, so is Obama. I don't like it when people lie about Obama being a Muslim, but finally it doesn't matter what he is if Romney's religion gets a free pass.

August 9, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: I've said countless times that I DON"T CARE about BHO's religion. Not an ounce do I care.

August 9, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

JD, I don't either. I am a non-believer. But I do want the truth. Conservatives would like for their followers to believe that he is a Muslim because they are grasping for any politically correct (in their minds) stick to beat him with. Hence the original topic of discussion: it is this kind of thing that people resort to (lies about stuff that in fact should not matter) when they cannot find anything legit to use to discredit their opponent.

SO, if they want to play this game and claim that the religious beliefs of Obama (true or false) are pertinent then the LDS is fair game. IMO the GOP does not want this, because the LDS will not fair well in the eyes of mainstream Christians, the bulk of the voters in both parties.

August 9, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: It's simply politics. You say the conservatives would like for their followers to believe that he is a Muslim.....Your side wants to believe that Romney is an evil doer because he's rich. No? It's YOUR side railing about tax returns (irrelevant) so as to not have to discuss BHO's rather slim record.

August 9, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.
ITguy said...

Well, no reply to my post of 6:19 am.

The issue is not how much money Romney has, or even how he made his fortune. The issue is that we have serious economic problems in this country that are compounded by the globalization of or economy. The Republican solution is to reduce regulation and further cut taxes. This is supposed to stimulate investment and create jobs. There is absolutely no evidence that this strategy will work. None. The wealthy invest their wealth in places where they can get the greatest return on their investment. Nothing wrong with that, but there is no reason to believe that they will invest their tax cuts in companies that will create American jobs. In fact the opposite is true. They are far more likely to create jobs in Mexico than in the USA.

Let's get real folks. The super wealthy in this world have one goal and that is to get more wealthy. They do not care about America other than the fact that our military might insures that the global economy continues to functiuon. You would think that they would be willing to pay for that military as a cost of doing business, but they would rather burden my grandchildren with that debt.

I would love to read some honest solutions as to how we are going to create middle class jobs in this country. I have not heard any from the Republican party.

August 9, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am speaking for myself, JD, not "My side". Although you personally don't care about Obama's religious beliefs, I assure you lots of folks on "your side" do.

August 9, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: Maybe. And lots of folks on "your side" don't want to talk about BHO's lackluster performance.

August 9, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh, I assure you, I do. But I want to discuss the reality of his lack of success, not some bizarre conspiracy version of it. I have been disappointed with the lack of job growth, the slow recovery, etc. I have friends losing jobs, young relatives that can't find employment, etc. Although Obama isn't personally to blame for the recession, and the GOP have made it clear that finding solutions comes second to making Obama look bad, I trusted him to find a way past all that and get the job done.

Let me add, if the GOP revealed a plan that was not a rehash of failed Reagan/Bush I voodoo, I would vote republican. I am not seeing it. I will add that the social conservative planks disgust me, but I know they are there for show only; there is a limit to how much "morality" they can impose on the rest of us and stay within the constitution.

August 9, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
mymy said...

Airheads: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!

August 9, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
mymy said...

As a matter of fact:

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/60334/15-Mormons-serving-in-US-Congress.html

Obama is questionable because of his background. I have said before the envionment you are exposed to has great influence on you. O's has been an anti-American background!

August 9, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry, mymy, both how he was raised and what influence that has now is your opinion only.

August 9, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
degage said...

Ike, You are the one that brought religion into this conversation, I was just pointing out you were assuming Obama was a christian all his life beacuse he says he is one. Also I did not say he went to an islamic school. In indonesia Religion is listed on the registration of school records and the child gets instruction in said religion. Does it mean he was a muslim ? no it means that is what the adult in his family deems his religion to be. His mother married two muslim men so it stands to reason islam was a big part of his young life. Still does not mean he is a muslim. But he has never proved to me he is a christian and since those who are athiest haven't proved to me he is. I believe he was telling the truth about not hearing Wright say some of the things he said because if he went to church as often as he has since being president He would not have heard anything in that church.

August 9, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

But he has never proved to me he is a christian and since those who are athiest haven't proved to me he is.

Fine-let his fellow Christians "prove" to you he is Christian. Again, it should not matter what his religious beliefs are. But if it does matter, let those who feel that the Mormon Church has teachings that are antithetical to the US constitution and that Romney as a leader in the church show that he espouses those beliefs. I suspect you are like conservative: no one is a Christian unless they meet your narrow definition of a Christian. In which case, there will be no satisfying you. You don't like Obama, and will continue to shift the goalposts until his supporters run out of explanations.

August 9, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
degage said...

Ike, you are right I don't like Obamas adgenda for this country and you don't like Romneys religion so lets agree to disagree because you won't change my mind and I won't change yours.

August 9, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
mtngrl said...

degage, lkeithlu never stated she did't like Romneys religion

August 9, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

degage, how about we compare agenda with agenda rather than religion with religion. I'd rather talk about how Obama or Romney will get this country's economy running effectively again. THAT is why I get tired of the conspiracy crap. "Obama is a Muslim" , "Obama is a foreigner", "Obama is a Marxist". Let's talk about what each of them HAS DONE as a governing person. Compare Romney's Massachusetts administration and Obama's first term. Compare what they say must happen in the next 4 years to get people back to work.

But if conservatives want to play dirty, then I want liberals to do the same. If religion comes up, then BOTH men are scrutinized. But this talk of religion is a smokescreen, something that the GOP will not pursue, because they know full well that their constituency will find Romney's religion problematic. They would like to let sleeping dogs lie, which they should. Religion should NOT matter. The problem is, it does to the majority of conservatives. That's a trap they don't want to enter.

August 9, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
degage said...

I don't see that the stimulas did any good. I know people( many) that have been out of work for 2 years and nothing insight to remedy the problem. If Obama was so great the economy would be better by now. My opinion. Liberals believe all is well and he did a great job, Its a joke.

August 9, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

When did I say Obama did a good job? When did I say all is well? I am a liberal. Stop stereotyping and stop generalizing. You make yourself look dishonest.

How about instead educating me on how Romney and the GOP will change things starting next February.

August 9, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"I don't see that the stimulas did any good."

It saved/created several million jobs.

"The truth is that the stimulus increased employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million people, compared with what employment would have been otherwise. That’s according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office."

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/117xx/doc11706/08-24-arra.pdf

"If Obama was so great the economy would be better by now."

That is a false assumption. Most economists and experts on the subject believe it will take 6-10 years to fully recover from the most recent recession.

August 9, 2012 at 2 p.m.
degage said...

nooga pot calling the kettle black, Obama seems to have dodged the military. If Romney had not paid his taxes he would be in jail not running for president unless you are warren Buffet, he is still fighting to keep from paying taxes from back in the early 2000's.

August 9, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Buffet is not running for president, degage. It is standard practice for candidates to release multiple years of returns. Obama did not "dodge" the military-there as no draft when he came of age. Curious, why do you think Romney should be exempt from releasing returns?

August 9, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
degage said...

Nooga, I am from Flint Michigan and I have relatives out of work at this time at GM. They seem to think its just a matter of time before all hell breaks loose.

Ike 30 years ago there was a draft, thats when he came of age. My son is his age and he had to register.

August 9, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Was he drafted and "dodged"? 30 years ago we were not in a war. I never said he did not register for selective service. I assume that he like all other men did (and continue to do so)

August 9, 2012 at 2:18 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Noogs: Willard dodged the draft? Like "All caps & plugs Joe" Biden? Like William Jefferson Clinton?

August 9, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Degage,

The military discontinued the draft in 1973. As of 1980, every male has to register for Selective Service. There was no draft 30 years ago.

August 9, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

JD I was referring to degage's accusation that Obama was a dodger. Can't speak for Mitt-he's a bit older but may have not been of an age when there was a draft.

August 9, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Romney was 19 when he was protesting FOR the Vietnam draft, which he then avoided by being a missionary while living in a palace in France.

August 9, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: You seem entirely too rational to be a southpaw.

August 9, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney took a ministerial exception to the draft while he was a Mormon missionary in France 1967 - 1968. Ann Romney was in France the last six months he was there. She was studying in Grenoble. The Week reported that they "visited under supervision" - which would have been an absolute violation of mission rules and has been the primary cause for many other young men to be sent home early.

Mitt's father would easily have had enough pull in the church to shield his son from any consequences and in the 1960s church leaders may not have been as quick to expell Mormon missionaries because of Vietnam.

http://theweek.com/article/index/226980/7-surprising-facts-about-ann-romney

August 9, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Lu: You seem entirely too rational to be a southpaw.

??

August 9, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ikeithlu,

That's Jack's version of a pick-up line.

August 9, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

southpaw = left-hander. Baseball, Lu.

August 9, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

That's Jack's version of a pick-up line.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

I know what a southpaw is. What I don't understand is how that relates to being rational.

August 9, 2012 at 2:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I think you do. How do you do the italics?

August 9, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.
miraweb said...

One Asterisk is italics .

Two Asterisks is bold .

Three Asterisks is bold and italics

August 9, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Start and end with a * . Don't leave any spaces after the first * and before the last *.

Gotta obligation. It's been fun playing with you guys. See ya later!

August 9, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Huh?

August 9, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.
FryeDaddyTN said...

I'll comment here because there is no comment section on the actual articles and this sort of goes hand-in-hand with Clay's typical goosestepping opinions.

Re: Pikeville Mayor Greg Johnson and his arrest for serious misuse of city funds.

I recall a 2011 TFP article, that noted Johnson was seeking reelection for a 3rd term; intimating a likely win for the DEMOCRAT. Which is a increasingly rare event in East Tennessee.

Now, I see no fewer that 3 articles detailing his arrest and his apparent refusal to resign. Nowhere in ANY of these articles does it mention Johnson's party affiliation.

I know the unofficial AP Stylebook requires any article about a Republican official accused or arrested for wrongdoing must contain the "R" word no later than the 10th word in the opening paragraph; but I had no idea the stylebook required any article about a Democrat in same position must omit the "D" word entirely and in perpetuity.

What say Ben Benton, Clay Bennett and the rest or pseudo-intellectual, journalistic frauds at the inevitably failing Times Free Press?

Don't let the sheep that defend Clay in these comment sections do the answering; answer me yourself you Cowardly Clowns of C-Town. Stop the systemic failure of your newspaper in both the editorial and so-called hard news sections.

August 9, 2012 at 2:57 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You tell'em daddy

August 9, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

nooga, like easy, full of swear words and invectives.

August 9, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
shen said...

In other words, it looks like the president has less than 10 percent of his personal financial assets invested in equities.

  1. Isn't it usually your stockbroker who decides where best to invest your money? It's doubtful the president is sitting around watching the stock market.

  2. As for investing in foreign stock? Anyone can do that. I've personally chosen foreign stock through my 401K investments.

August 9, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
FryeDaddyTN said...

Those who lack logic or education (your) usually tend to use emotion and obscenities to make a point.

When confronted with rather easy to research accusations, always confront with gold old obscenities hiding behind a carefully placed non-alphanumeric character. (you will see word in all-caps frequently to emphasize the non point)

All I ask Noogie to do is search for the article and confirm, confront or deny. Nope! He's going to take the easy route, after all, Springer comes on in 15-minutes and he's got not time to actually debate an issue.

August 9, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
tderng said...

tu_quoque,mighty quiet for the past few hours huh?I think you overloaded it anyway.lmao

August 9, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova said..... Joneses, Foreign investments and foreign bank accounts are two destinctly different things. People with foreign investments pay taxes on those foreign investments. Americans who stow money into foreign held bank accounts is done so as a means used to avoid paying income taxes to the IRS.

Why would a reasonably intelligent person earning money from investments in other countries not deposit those profits in a foreign account instead of bringing it to the U.S. Is there any reason to think Romney is hiding money to avoid taxes? Do you ever wonder why venture capitalist select some businesses to grow and expand while others fail? How many that failed were not already in difficulty and an infusion of capital didn't help? I may not vote for Romney but I don't like all the smoke and blow, where is the IRS if he is illegal in tax reporting? How many votes would releasing his tax filings change? No one on here would change horses if he released them. I put this in the same category as those insisting Obama is a Muslim and is not a citizen neither, I don't buy that crap either. I wish I thought either of them could have a positive impact on the economy and reduce dependence on the government but I don't see it.

I think we agree that taxing without exception what is spent and abolish all other taxes would be fair and could generate sufficient revenue to fund an appropriate government.

August 9, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.
alprova said...

tderng wrote: Do you have any proof that Mitt Romney has done this? NO! You are merely helping to spread the liberal LIES."**

Can you prove they are indeed lies? No. Mitt Romney is the only person who can, and he refuses to offer the proof.

**"Perhaps he paid the taxes and then placed the money in these accounts so that the socialist in chief can't get to it to "spread the wealth."

That's a very silly and baseless statement. Nobody, including the President has ever expressed any desire to seize funds held in private bank accounts, no matter how much may be in them.

The fact of the matter is that there is no way to ascertain with any certainty where the funds come from that are held in foreign bank accounts.

Mitt Romeny may have a house full of stuffed mattresses for all anyone knows.

His refusal to release his tax returns is definitely due to his hiding of something that will not paint him in a good light, or he would release them.

"That would be a very sound decision and would do so myself if I had a lot of money."

And you Sir would be an idiot. Money held domestically in U.S. banks is a whole lot more safe than putting it in trust with any foreign bank.

"With the way the the left wants to redistribute the wealth in America it is probably the smartest thing a wealthy person can do to protect their money!"

I again repeat, nobody could ever begin to, nor has a soul I am aware of with any power to begin such a feat, proposed seizing any funds held in private bank accounts.

It would never be allowed.

August 9, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
alprova said...

timbo wrote: "This is the way liberals operate. No proof at all that he has money in a Swiss bank account."

No? His accountants have admitted to the Romney's having had 'legal' accounts in Switzerland and in the Cayman Islands. The funny thing is, back last year, when the issue came up between Romeny and his Republican cohorts, those accounts were allegedly closed.

"Since it is illegal for anyone to have access to private tax returns, where is Harry Reid and Bennett getting their information? Either they don't know or have broken the law."

Harry Reid has stated that the information came from a source very close to Mitt Romney.

"It is none of my or your damn business what someone's tax returns say."

The American people have a funny way of determining all on their own what is and what is not their business when it concerns a candidate running for the top office of the land.

"I want to see Obama's birth certificate, school records and his e-mails."

Those things are absolutely none of your business, but his birth certificate is out there nonetheless. President Obama has also released 8+ years of his personal tax returns as well.

August 9, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "I think we agree that taxing without exception what is spent and abolish all other taxes would be fair and could generate sufficient revenue to fund an appropriate government."

Yes. One of the few issues that we both find common ground on is the Fair Tax proposal. It would need to be tweaked and perfected, but it would be an excellent proposal that would put most of the IRS out of business and to transform our system of taxation from one that punishes success to one that taxes people quite fairly, based on the amount of money that they have to spend.

August 9, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
joneses said...

Grim Milestone: Over Twice as Many U.S. Soldiers Have Died in Afghanistan Under Obama In 3 1/2 Years Than Did Under Bush in 8 Years – And the Liberal Media remains silent. Where did all the war protestors go? Cindy Shehan? Where are you hiding? I guess our troops are not as important under Hussein Obama as they were under President Bush.

August 10, 2012 at 5:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

The number paying no taxes has grown from 19% under Reagan, 25% under Clinton, 30% under Bush and now over 47% under Obama. No government can create wealth. Wealth is created when something of less value is converted to something of more value. There are only 4 ways to create wealth, manufacturing, mining, farming, fishing. All other activities are services which only move the wealth around. Bankers use the wealth of some to make loans to others and skim some off as profits as they move the wealth around. The same is true for doctors, lawyers, insurers, educators, unions, etc. and governments plus those that may not realize a profit but provide a service. The countries dependent society will not be reduced unless more activity occurs in those truly wealth creating activities that employ people to create wealth. It is not likely a service society like ours will have anything but a growing divide between the haves and have nots with the have nots demanding more support from the haves. Using other peoples money is fine until they run out and become one of those needing assistance.

Neither candidate seems to have a plan to increase the number of wealth creating jobs while a large number of people are not inclined to prepare themselves to fill the vacancies created. The government can provide an environment that gives wealth creators a desire to engage in a wealth creating business in America or government can discourage businesses from doing so.

August 10, 2012 at 5:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

People give the president a lot of blame or credit for the economy when congress is the culprit. There can be no spending or legislation without congressional approval. No departments can be created without the approval of congress. There is no government activity that does not require funding approval by congress. Congress does, in many cases, abdicate their responsibility by empowering others to approve spending and to create new regulations without congressional review or approval. So, why does it really matter who is elected president? The president is the commander and chief of the military and critical to our international image and relations. Neither candidate has ever served in the military and it is not likely either knows the working end of a gun. Where are you Colin Powell?

August 10, 2012 at 5:38 a.m.
degage said...

Al, The IRS can and do seize property and money in bank accounts, some state governments have taken property from some and given it to others, they say it is for the good of the people. In some casses it is for the good of the politition. I believe you may have more than I do so should you give me your money or should I work harder and earn it for myself, I think you owe me. That statement makes as much sense as a snake oil salesman does. But that is what spread the wealth is all about, you vs me or me vs you. Its called class warfare.

August 10, 2012 at 6:15 a.m.
joneses said...

Why does Obama hate the Middle Class so much?

Obama wants to destroy the Middle Class You! Since Obama and the Democrats have taken over the leadership of our country, the Debt has grown by by 43%, the price of a gallon of gas is up over 80%. And worse of all is employment. Why does Obama & Co. continue to lie and deceive?

The truth, though, is the job climate in America is miserable.

While the media and the administration portray the most recent jobs number — 8.3% unemployment — as good economic news, more sober minds understand what's really going on. The facts show a jobs slump.

Sure, the jobless rate is falling. But according to the Congressional Budget Office, we are going through the longest stretch of high unemployment since the Depression. The rate has been higher than 8% since February 2009, the month after Obama took office.

And, says the CBO, it is expected to stay above 8% through 2014.

Even worse for an administration straining to make the case that it deserves to be around for another four years is the real unemployment rate. It's not 8.3%, but closer to 15%, a figure that reflects those who "would like to work but have not searched for a job in the past four weeks as well as those who are working part time but would prefer full-time work," says the CBO.

Another White House problem comes from this in the CBO report: "The share of unemployed people looking for work for more than six months — referred to as the long-term unemployed — topped 40% in December 2009 for the first time since 1948, when such data began to be collected; it has remained above that level ever since."

The CBO data aren't isolated. Gallup reports that its unemployment rate based on weekly surveys stands at 9%, while underemployment is at a hefty 19%.

August 10, 2012 at 6:30 a.m.
joneses said...

If Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney is hiding money in a Swiss Bank account and doing that is illegal then Hussein Obama needs to have Eric Holder have the FBI arrest Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney. Because this has not taken place this is obvious a lie from Hussein Obama. Pretty simple.

August 10, 2012 at 6:57 a.m.
MTJohn said...

There is one major problem with your logic, Joneses. The FBI would need access to information about the accounts in question and those accounts are beyond their reach.

August 10, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."Why would a reasonably intelligent person earning money from investments in other countries not deposit those profits in a foreign account instead of bringing it to the U.S. Is there any reason to think Romney is hiding money to avoid taxes? Do you ever wonder why venture capitalist select some businesses to grow and expand while others fail?"

Harp - following your argument about wealth creation vs. wealth redistribution, an argument with which I agree, venture capitalists are in the business of wealth redistribution. At some point, it is fair to ask where are the boundaries between legitimate redistribution and theft? Whether the activity is lawful or ethical, redistribution of wealth necessarily is a transaction in which one person benefits, sometimes a lot, while one or more people suffer.

August 10, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Obama wants to destroy the Middle Class You

Sorry joneses, after Reagan and Bush I, the middle class was already gone.

August 10, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
joneses said...

mtjohn

You have just proved a good point. No one has proof of Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney hiding money in a Swiss Bank account to avoid paying taxes. Therefore this accusation is another lie from the hate filled Obama campaign. Thanks for your help in proving another Hussein Obama lie.

August 10, 2012 at 7:56 a.m.
joneses said...

ike

That is stupid.

August 10, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
joneses said...

Hussein Obama is lying and soldiers are dying.

Grim Milestone: Over Twice as Many U.S. Soldiers Have Died in Afghanistan Under Obama In 3 1/2 Years Than Did Under Bush in 8 Years – And the Liberal Media remains silent. Where did all the war protestors go? Cindy Shehan? Where are you hiding? I guess our troops are not as important under Hussein Obama as they were under President Bush.

August 10, 2012 at 8 a.m.
dude_abides said...

joneses is as dull as he is misinformed. droneses would be more apt.

August 10, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
joneses said...

dude

What am I misinformed about? I say Hussein Obama has not proof of a Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney Swiss Bank Account and mt John agrees and he is a liberal. That is true. I say more soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan under the 3.5 year Hussein Obama regime than the 8 years of President Bush. That is true. I say Hussein Obama is against the Middle Class. My proof is below.

Why does Obama hate the Middle Class so much?

Obama wants to destroy the Middle Class You! Since Obama and the Democrats have taken over the leadership of our country, the Debt has grown by by 43%, the price of a gallon of gas is up over 80%. And worse of all is employment. Why does Obama & Co. continue to lie and deceive?

The truth, though, is the job climate in America is miserable.

While the media and the administration portray the most recent jobs number — 8.3% unemployment — as good economic news, more sober minds understand what's really going on. The facts show a jobs slump.

Sure, the jobless rate is falling. But according to the Congressional Budget Office, we are going through the longest stretch of high unemployment since the Depression. The rate has been higher than 8% since February 2009, the month after Obama took office.

And, says the CBO, it is expected to stay above 8% through 2014.

Even worse for an administration straining to make the case that it deserves to be around for another four years is the real unemployment rate. It's not 8.3%, but closer to 15%, a figure that reflects those who "would like to work but have not searched for a job in the past four weeks as well as those who are working part time but would prefer full-time work," says the CBO.

Another White House problem comes from this in the CBO report: "The share of unemployed people looking for work for more than six months — referred to as the long-term unemployed — topped 40% in December 2009 for the first time since 1948, when such data began to be collected; it has remained above that level ever since."

The CBO data aren't isolated. Gallup reports that its unemployment rate based on weekly surveys stands at 9%, while underemployment is at a hefty 19%.

So what am I misinformed about? Maybe you are just another gullible hate filled liberal who has been brain washed into thinking Hussein Obama is your Messiah.

Your comment is stupid and baseless.

August 10, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.
alprova said...

Degage wrote: "Al, The IRS can and do seize property and money in bank accounts, some state governments have taken property from some and given it to others, they say it is for the good of the people."

The IRS does not seize bank accounts arbitrarily or capriciously and without a very good reason to do so, as would be in the case of a levy for past due taxes that have not been paid, and they certainly do not do so for the purpose of wealth redistribution.

Your charge that "some state Governments have taken property from some and have given it to others...for the good of the people" is going to have to be backed up with some credible proof, otherwise I am absolutely calling that statement out as a perfect lie.

Nobody's money in a bank account has ever been taken from them, anywhere, by any government, without any criminal proceeding and conviction for a criminal or negligent act of wrongdoing being a reason for doing so.

No state Gov't has ever seized money from a soul and awarded it to anyone else, "for the good of the people."

"In some casses it is for the good of the politition."

Please then, cite just one case. One.

"I believe you may have more than I do so should you give me your money or should I work harder and earn it for myself, I think you owe me. That statement makes as much sense as a snake oil salesman does. But that is what spread the wealth is all about, you vs me or me vs you. Its called class warfare."

Nobody I am aware of has ever offered up such a statement that you just offered. What you offer is a typical interpretation of any belief that people who can afford to pay taxes, as in those who have a clear and defined amount of disposable income over and above amounts that it takes to pay for the necessities of life, have a duty to pay taxes to fund the expenses that the Gov't deems necessary for the good of all the people of this nation.

August 10, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said..."You have just proved a good point. No one has proof of Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney hiding money in a Swiss Bank account to avoid paying taxes."

Correct. But, there is proof that Romney has accounts in Swiss banks and in the Caymen Islands. There is proof that Presidential candidates traditionally release multiple years of tax information, a practice initiated by George Romney. There is proof that Romney has only released his 2010 tax return and, to data, has refused to release prior tax returns. And, there is proof in the 2010 tax return to substantiate several legitimate questions whether Mitt Romney has complied with U.S. tax codes (note, I said questions - not the answers to those questions). And there is proof that those questions are a lot more legitimate than questions about President Obama's birth place and religion.

There is a simple solution to all of this. Mitt Romney could release copies of his tax returns for the past several years. But, as Romney has said, were he to do that, some people would use the information in those returns to criticize him. I suspect that he is right, i.e. I suspect he has abundant reason to be very nervous about what that information might yield regarding his business practices, tax compliance and character.

August 10, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
degage said...

Al, What do you think imminent domain is? feb 11 2009 CBS news, abuses of imminent domain.

August 10, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
joneses said...

Mt John,

Is it illegal for Mitt Romney to have these alleged accounts or overseas investments? Should Hussein Obama give all the information he would not disclose to Congress and hid behind an Executive Order related to Fast and Furious? If you want everything exposed by the candidates then lets do it. Otherwise you are being a hypocrite. it is funny how you liberals keep talking about how smart Hussein Obama is but are to ashamed to make him release his grades. If Romney has done something illegal then he should be arrested just as Obama should be. Show me your proof of these Romney accounts.

August 10, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
mymy said...

88 Days to Go!

August 10, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

*ike

That is stupid.*

Takes one to know one, I guess. Try reading "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

August 10, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
joneses said...

tuquoque

The Tea Party is for a balanced budget, smaller government, less government intrusion, freedom, personal responsibility, low taxes for everyone. So it stands to reason that if you are against the Tea Party you support out of control spending, massive government debt, more government intrusion in our lives, larger government, less freedom, high taxes for everyone, and no personal responsibility. Thanks for confirming your agenda.

August 10, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
fairmon said...

MYJohn responds...... Harp - following your argument about wealth creation vs. wealth redistribution, an argument with which I agree, venture capitalists are in the business of wealth redistribution. At some point, it is fair to ask where are the boundaries between legitimate redistribution and theft? Whether the activity is lawful or ethical, redistribution of wealth necessarily is a transaction in which one person benefits, sometimes a lot, while one or more people suffer.

Is anyone aware of the losses of venture capitalist over the past two years? Venture capitalist serve a useful purpose when they provide badly needed capital not available from traditional sources. In other words they are willing to take more risk which often doesn't pay off and they assume ownership and take whatever means available to them to recover their investment or make a profit for their investors. Some businesses they invest in or buy survive and prosper then the venture capitalist will sell those for a profit. The greatest wealth redistribution is U.S. dollars to the middle east and China while politicians in neither party do nothing to address the issue. I am sure you have seen the lavish life of some of the middle east elite and the number of billionaires in China? Why do U.S. government incentives not work? The money is used to buy imported products which means no demand increase for American made products.

August 10, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Joneses - Unlike your accusations regarding the President, I have not accused Romney of tax evasion. But, as I stated,we have enough information to know that the questions about his taxes and business practices are legitimate. We do not have enough information to know the answers to the questions. As long as Romney continues to withhold information, it is fair for journalists to continue to ask the questions.

President Obama is the president and the matter of executive privilege applies to the action that you questioned. Candidates for the office, have no claim to executive privilege.

I'll also note that you are as capable as I in doing internet research. If you did a little, you might discover that the issue is more complex than the story that Fox News has reported.

August 10, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tuq - my understanding of the First Amendment does not include the right to buy our government.

August 10, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ah, the deflections. Nothing to run on for His Holiness. Let's talk about Swiss accounts. Good grief.

August 10, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Harp - sure they put their own money at risk. But, as you said, we are talking about wealth redistribution not wealth creation. And, I think it is fair to ask whether the wealth redistribution that venture capitalists enjoy from their successes is comparable to the value that their activity adds to our economy. I don't think so.

August 10, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
alprova said...

Degage wrote: "Al, What do you think imminent domain is? feb 11 2009 CBS news, abuses of imminent domain."

You're changing your argument. Imminent domain is a far different subject than seizing someone's bank account, as you alleged.

August 10, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
Easy123 said...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/election_2012_vs_election_2008_four_years_ago_today.html

Obama's lead in the polls is growing. The current lead is identical to the one he had 4 years ago today against McCain.

August 10, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I'm sure glad Obama isn't running any negative ads!

August 10, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

That video is from 2008. You can't apply that quote to the current campaign.

August 10, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Easy, easy,easy...October 26, 1980, two weeks before the election. Carter-47%. Reagan-39%. We all know Reagan won in a landslide. Keep twitching and jerking there big fella.

August 10, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
Easy123 said...

toes,

August 10, 2008, eighty-eight days before the election. Obama-46.6%. McCain-42.2%. We all know Obama won in a landslide. Keep using that infamous "Carter lead" to assuage your fears of an Obama re-election.

Why do you think an election 30 years ago has any bearing on the current race? Oh I know, you're deluded!

August 10, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

What makes you think Obama has it all wrapped up? Oh I know, you're a brainwashed little punk! Obama doesn't have the "magic" anymore! Chris Matthews no longer has the tingle running down his leg! The economy is worse now than when he took office! The middle class just got slammed with the biggest tax increase in history! Billions in taxpayer money went to overseas companies from "the One"!

The delusional one here is YOU! The liberal media can only make it seem as if it's close until election day! Take your hopey change and shove it!

August 10, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
Easy123 said...

toes,

"What makes you think Obama has it all wrapped up?"

I never made that claim. But you'll argue at the straw man you've created.

"The economy is worse now than when he took office!"

False.

"The middle class just got slammed with the biggest tax increase in history!"

Really false.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/28/rush-limbaugh/health-care-law-not-largest-tax-increase-us-histor/

"Billions in taxpayer money went to overseas companies from "the One"!"

Prove it.

**"The delusional one here is YOU!"

It's called psychological projection. You're an old pro at it.

"The liberal media can only make it seem as if it's close until election day!"

Real Clear Politics isn't liberal media. They take the polls and average them together. It gives a more accurate analysis of how the race is actually going.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And here are all the "Toes has no argument so he just name-calls or gets vulgar" lines:

'Oh I know, you're a brainwashed little punk! Obama doesn't have the "magic" anymore! Chris Matthews no longer has the tingle running down his leg!"

"Take your hopey change and shove it!"

August 10, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 43%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided".

"Republicans continue to show a much higher level of interest in the presidential campaign than Democrats or unaffiliated voters do".

"Intensity of support or opposition can have an impact on campaigns. Currently, 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16".

Only 26% "strongly approve" of Obama's performance. You're obviously one of those 26% bottom feeders.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

August 10, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
tderng said...

alprova said...Your charge that "some state Governments have taken property from some and have given it to others...for the good of the people" is going to have to be backed up with some credible proof, otherwise I am absolutely calling that statement out as a perfect lie.

What the hell do you think eminent domain is?They take your property whether you want to sell or not."For the good of the community" and the coffers of the government.More often the latter than the former.

August 10, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

That's just one poll, sweetheart. Sorry, but you lose again. I'm not going off one poll. I'm going off an average of ALL the polls. Pay attention next time.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

August 10, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Toes, Rasmussen has been discredited as biased:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/rasmussen.html

August 10, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
joneses said...

mt john

all you are is another hate filled liberal. Thanks for confirming that there are one set of rules for this pathetic fool that occupies the White House and another for anyone that challenges him. Your assumption I get anything from Fox news is stupid. it would be the same as me saying you get all your lies from CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post, moveon.org, which actually you are more inclined do as proven by your inaccurate post. The only reason you want to see Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney's tax returns is because nothing else has worked in the liberals attacks on Mitt Romney. Remember when you fools attacked Mitt Romney for carrying his dog on top of his car and then we found out Hussein Obama ate a dog. why do you not say anything good about Hussein Obama's record and his statement he wants to fundamentally change America. What does Hussein Obama want to change America to?

August 10, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy reminds me of Baghdad Bob.

August 10, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.

lkeithlu said...

Sorry joneses, after Reagan and Bush I, the middle class was already gone.

The middle class was being depleted long before Reagan. Carter, for one, at least admitted his ignorance of economics and free markets with his famous “malaise” description of the results of his failed tinkering with the recession. He failed to recognize that market recessions are periodic, not permanent, and that political tinkering never ends them. It can only worsen them.

For 30 years leading up to the Reagan and 14 years during and after his presidency, the House of Representatives (where tax and spending bills originate) had been controlled by the party least ashamed of exploiting the poor for political gain: the Democrats. Lyndon Johnson happened to be their head cheerleader when they decided to go all out with efforts to enlarge their lock on the poverty trap through legislation making it much easier to confiscate investment wealth for redistribution (and votes), all the while making sure the poverty rolls steadily increased.

Subsequent Democrat and Republican presidents virtually marched in lock-step with “the PEOPLE’S house.” Early in his administration, Reagan brought brief respite from Carter’s economic malaise through tax cuts, but he could never muster the support/courage to follow through on his promises to cut government spending. Over and over, he compromised with Speaker O’Neall on spending, undermining any effort to reduce the confiscation of wealth from investors (wealth/job creators). Bush1 knuckled under to congressional pressure when he violated his promise not to raise taxes. They conned him that it would be in exchange for 2 to 1 spending cuts (which never materialized). Clinton and the GOP Congress found a way to make the 90s an anomaly, but Republicans in Congress proved not to be as savvy as Clinton in dodging the consequences of their ethical failures, so Congress swung back to the class envy poverty-exploiters and Bush2 marched in lockstep (by caving in to domestic spending increases and to Democrats’ decade-long pressure to invade Iraq).

August 10, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.

So here we are. Harp33’s 5:38 a.m. post hit the nail on the head. Presidents have little to do with the success or failure of the economy. As candidates and once in office, they make easier targets for blaming or believing in. Their popularity is largely determined by where the economy happens to be in its peak/valley cycles. At the root, the public is to blame. We are too easily duped by talking head “reporters” and campaign commercials, because we are too lazy to either do the research or invest enough time in finding ways to succeed economically without the help of politicians.

We are what’s wrong with the world of federal deficits and the long-term harm they do to wealth/job creation. We want politicians to give us more than we’re willing to pay for. The political class finds an upwardly-mobile middle-class threatening to their power, so they kiss up to them during election years, but then govern by removing the rungs necessary for climbing up the ladder.

The middle class is hopeless as long as we keep falling for zero-sum-game fairy tales used by the class envy political racket.

If Romney were smart, he would release the returns now so the public will have time to shift its short attention span to more important matters. There’s nothing to hide. He’s dragging his heels because he knows how Obama’s news media/PR department will spin the alarming information that he is a market-savvy, mostly-successful investor.

August 10, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
joneses said...

It is unbelievable the hate that comes from the liberal left. I have never witnessed this much hate from a president and his followers in my life. The hate from the left is unbelievable.

August 10, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

You're delusional. Give one clear example of "hate from the left" from this thread. I can provide several excerpts from your posts.

August 10, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
joneses said...

if Hussein Obama was that concerned about Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney's taxes then why does he not order Eric Holder to order the IRS to audit Mr. Romney? Would that not expose everything? Romney is smart not to release his taxes as the hate fill liberal left will just lie about them regardless of what they are. How would it benefit Romney? where was all the outrage from you hate filled liberals when Geitner, Rangel and Daschle was aught cheating on their taxes? another fine example of hate filled liberal hypocrisy.

August 10, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
joneses said...

Where is the hate filled liberal outrage?

Hussein Obama is lying and soldiers are dying.

Grim Milestone: Over Twice as Many U.S. Soldiers Have Died in Afghanistan Under Obama In 3 1/2 Years Than Did Under Bush in 8 Years – And the Liberal Media remains silent. Where did all the war protestors go? Cindy Shehan? Where are you hiding? I guess our troops are not as important under Hussein Obama as they were under President Bush.

August 10, 2012 at 11:47 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

That is one of the most moronic posts I've read today.

Presidential candidates release 6-10 years of their tax returns. Romney has released 2 years of tax returns. Why doesn't Romney have to meet that precedence?

Again, provide proof of the hate. You keep rattling off that word but you obviously don't know the meaning of it.

"where was all the outrage from you hate filled liberals when Geitner, Rangel and Daschle was aught cheating on their taxes? another fine example of hate filled liberal hypocrisy."

Are you implying Romney is, in fact, cheating on his taxes? How is it hypocritical to want someone to release their tax returns? Every other Presidential candidate has done it. Why not Romney? What is he hiding?

August 10, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

"I guess our troops are not as important under Hussein Obama as they were under President Bush."

So now you are blaming Obama for the deaths of soldiers in a war that Republicans heavily supported and Bush got us into.

And you're talking about hypocrisy?

The war in Afghanistan needs to end. But the death tolls should not be attributed to either President. And it is shameful for you to do so. Where we you and your Conservative pals when the war started? Why weren't you calling for a quick solution then?

August 10, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
degage said...

Al, I din't change my argument, I said some state gov. sieze property to give to others for the good of the people or the good of the politian. That is imminent domain. Is your reading comprehension that bad? That is taking from one to give to another,redistributing wealth

August 10, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123... every other Presidential candidate has NOT done IT. Carter release 1 year,Reagan released only 1 year,McGovern and Humphrey released NONE.If Romney released 5 years,the Democrats would howl for 10.If he released 10 they would howl for 20.Why would he release more than 2 years if it is a no-win proposition?The Demoncrats would just use them to foment more hate for the successful.This tax issue is just another smoke screen to keep the peoples mind off of Obama's record.The I.R.S. has his records and if there were something hinkey I am sure the Obama Treasury would be screaming to the high heavens.

If you want hate examples from the left,just look at the totally unsubstantiated lies about Romney.According to Demoncrats he's a tax cheat,felon,and now a murderer for Christs sake.How damn low will the left go?Apparently there is no bottom to the pit of lies that the left uses to provide a smoke screen for this Liar in Chief.Typical Chicago politics,drag their name through the mud even if you have to make up ridiculous CRAP and outright lies.Even when caught in a lie they just keep on going...totally repulsive!

August 10, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
joneses said...

I find it pathetic that the hate filled left has stooped to new lows in not holding Hussein Obama accountable for all the deaths attributed to him not ending the war in Afghanistan like he said he would. As soon as the Hussein Obama moved into the White House the protestors packed their bags and went home but the two wars continued and one is still continuing today with no clear objective after 3.5 years of Hussein Obama occupying the White House. How many more soldiers will have to die because of Hussein Obama's failure to end the war in Afghanistan. The super majority of Americans including democrats and Republicans in congress voted for these two legal wars after the 9/11 attacks on America. Hussein Obama voted against the two wars but has not the courage to end the one in Afghanistan. This itself is hypocritical. It is time for Hussein Obama to bring the troops home from Afghanistan or at least have a clear objective for a victory. it is Hussein Obama's war now as he has the power to make it come to an end. it is his war and the deaths of our brave soldiers while he is occupying the White House is on his hands just like the hate filled left put them on President Bush's hand.

Where is the hate filled liberal outrage?

Hussein Obama is lying and soldiers are dying.

Grim Milestone: Over Twice as Many U.S. Soldiers Have Died in Afghanistan Under Obama In 3 1/2 Years Than Did Under Bush in 8 Years – And the Liberal Media remains silent. Where did all the war protestors go? Cindy Shehan? Where are you hiding? I guess our troops are not as important under Hussein Obama as they were under President Bush.

August 10, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Putting blame aside, our guys need to get out of Afghanistan right frickken now.

August 10, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
joneses said...

tdemg

All the hate filled intolerant liberals have is their hate filled lies as they know Hussein Obama cannot run on his failed record. Their whole dialogue is filled with hate, intolerance, class warfare, gays against straights, blacks against whites, them against us and so on. They have nothing positive to run on but hate and intolerance. it is shameful but than again so are they.

August 10, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

http://www.educationnews.org/breaking_news/washington/100846.html

Politifact is a lefty leaning load of crap. And has been discredited as biased more-so than Rasmussen.

August 10, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"every other Presidential candidate has NOT done IT. Carter release 1 year,Reagan released only 1 year,McGovern and Humphrey released NONE."

False.

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns

No one is accusing him of being a tax cheat. The claim is that he paid no taxes because of loopholes, tax breaks, and sending his money out of the country.

"Even when caught in a lie they just keep on going...totally repulsive!"

That's the Conservative MO. Just look at this site. Lies and misinformation and no retractions from your side.

You have no clue if Romney paid taxes or not. How can something be a lie when you don't even know the truth?

August 10, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"And has been discredited as biased more-so than Rasmussen."

No, it hasn't. You found one article about one Politifact article; just ONE.

August 10, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"it is Hussein Obama's war now as he has the power to make it come to an end. it is his war and the deaths of our brave soldiers while he is occupying the White House is on his hands just like the hate filled left put them on President Bush's hand."

Again, you discredit and shame yourself by making statements like this. You are truly a fool.

August 10, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
joneses said...

It is amazing the hate and irresponsible language out of the liberals. Hussein Obama voted against the war in Afghanistan but has not the courage to make it come to an end or have a clear objective. Hussein Obama's is sole proprietor of the war in Afghanistan as no other past president can do anything about it now. Only Hussein Obama can. He continues to let our soldiers die for no reason for a war he admittedly did and does not support. It is absurd the lack of caring Hussein Obama has for our brave soldiers.

Todays Headline

Senior U.S. Soldier Killed By Suicide Bomber in Afghanistan By LUIS MARTINEZ and MUHAMMAD LILA | ABC News – 5 hrs ago

Hussein Obama says nothing or even offers his sympathies.

August 10, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
joneses said...

For left-wing politics, lying goes back to the Russian Bolsheviks or earlier. The masses were lied to because the ruling elite (or the ruling elite to be) felt that the ends (Marxism) justified any means, and the masses were too stupid and ignorant to know what was good for them. But the ruling elite knew exactly what was good for them. Leftists have a rather low opinion of the masses, the average citizen.

Liberalism is like a religion, and it has zealots as fanatical as any other religion. But unlike most religions, liberalism has no moral code. The closest thing to a moral code in liberalism is “don’t get caught”. Ethics are situational, and totally up for interpretation. The truth is subjective, and the truth is merely what you want it to be. To the fanatic the leftist cause is so noble, so sacred that any lying or cheating for the leftist cause is justified.

When a liberal lies to the American public, he is in effect saying,

“You are too stupid to know what is good for you. I know what is good for you. I will say anything I need to say to convince you my way is the right way.”

If liberals were honest about their vision for this country few people would ever vote for them. Liberals must lie to us in order to impose the tyranny of liberalism upon us.

August 10, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.
Leaf said...

Is joneses being paid a nickel every time he says "hate filled liberal" today or something?

Are they the same as the bleeding-heart liberals? No, that can't be right. Maybe they are the ivory-tower liberals? Hmm. No, I don't know any skinhead college professors. I guess I'll just chalk it up to joneses' paranoia - as usual.

August 10, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
joneses said...

Liberalism is an ideology based on resentment and hate. The liberal finds very distasteful the notion that some people are brighter than he is, better looking, more industrious, more righteous or moral, more cultured, more artistic, more capable, or more successful. And he regards these people who are better than he is -- and because of being better, more powerful -- as a threat, as an irksome constraint. This envy, resentment and hate is in a way a carryover into adult life of the sort of resentment that a spoiled, self-indulgent child might feel toward a parent who won't let him do exactly what he wants to do, a parent who won't let him eat all the cookies in the cookie jar or torment an animal for his amusement or "play with himself," to use a familiar euphemism. It may express itself in infancy in the form of a tantrum.

August 10, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
joneses said...

Leaf,

Thanks for showing us how immature and intellectually challenged you are. Why would you think there would be a skin head college professor? That is stupid.

August 10, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Actually, joneses is on the mark.

August 10, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
patriot1 said...

tder is correct, if there was anything illegal about Romney's tax returns the Treasury Dept/IRS would be all over him. I am sure there are no tax cheats in the treasury dept and Tiny Tim Geithner runs a tight ship.

August 10, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_dumb copied:

In a transcript of a conference call hosted by the Romney campaign in January 2012, the trustee for the Romney family’s financial investments -- Brad Malt of the law firm Ropes & Gray -- acknowledged the existence of the Cayman investments.

'These are investments in third-party entities,' Malt said, likening them to stock in Toyota.

He continued: 'Each of these investments is in a blind trust. … This means the decision to make the investment was made by me, not by Gov. Romney. … I should say I, in turn, have no control over where these funds are formed. … When we make an investment in a Cayman fund, we're presented with investment documents, the sponsor has already chosen where the fund is to be organized, and to be perfectly clear, the blind trusts are a tiny part of the investor base of these funds.'

In 1994 Romney made the statement below about Ted Kennedy's blind trust. Romney is nothing but a LIAR and will say or do anything to get elected.

"Romney: The blind trust is an age old ruse, if you will, which is to say, you can always tell a blind trust what it can and can not do. You give a blind trust rules."

August 10, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Baghdad Bob Easy only believes in polls of his liking. Or links from MoveOn or Huffington. He wouldn't realize it if tanks were sneaking up behind him. Bwahahahaha

August 10, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.
joneses said...

Why Liberals hate America

Liberals suffer from a number of maladies and delusions, but several are painfully obvious. First, not only are they incapable of taking care of themselves, they cannot comprehend why they should be FORCED to take care of themselves. They are terrified of everything that is not pre-processed, homogenized and approved by an official governmental entity. "Governmental Entity," by the way, is defined as Martin Sheen, a guy who's not the President but plays one on TV.

That the recycling truck might be an hour late propels liberals into a state of near hysteria. That someone might actually own a gun sends them running to the therapist for Prozac, grief-counseling and Deepak Chopra seminars. They seek order, safety and security at any cost, rather than individuality, liberty and freedom.

The goals of a totalitarian, Fascist state are reflected in the ramblings of liberal politicians and Hollywood idiots. They say they want peace, but the sort of peace they seek is more akin to slavery then it is the ideals upon which America was founded.

Following the "Glory Days" scenario, liberals are bitter, angry and dogmatic. They feel the conservative ascendancy is an anomaly, and wax nostalgic over the administration of a lecherous sociopath who offered soothing words but never a vestige of reality, substance or results. They yearn for a choreographed fantasy world which disputes human nature. They swoon at the idea of standing on the side of the hill while reciting poetry with talking raccoons and drinking decaffeinated Coke.

Liberals want to play happily in a field of daisies, unable to accept that we live in a time of daisy cutters. True, if their desires were the rule of the land they would get their wish. Our enemies would gladly provide that field of daisies, and make certain every single American - liberal or conservative - was pushing them up.

The garden variety liberal attacks our country with every breath, oblivious to the fact that their ability to speak out, to acquire their toys, to travel and protest and whine, are provided by the very system they despise. They know only hate for those who disagree with their Utopian vision of unchecked liberalism. They immediately label as racists any who counter their nonsensical ramblings with the logic of protecting our sovereignty and future. They want but one thing...for their fellow travelers to control Congress, the White House and the lives of every citizen.

August 10, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

On May 27, 2012, National Journal's Major Garrett told MSNBC's Chris Matthews that the super PAC aligned with President Barack Obama, Priorities USA, is ready to launch "incendiary" ads, including ones that relate to "suicides" and ones "too emotionally powerful to be used in television ads."

....Obama campaign....GETTING DESPERATE!!

August 10, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
Leaf said...

joneses said... "Leaf,

Thanks for showing us how immature and intellectually challenged you are. Why would you think there would be a skin head college professor? That is stupid."

Your welcome.
I can barely contain my hate. You know, because I'm a hate-filled liberal. We have a club. We meet in the line at the unemployment office and talk about how much we hate everything. We'd go on shooting rampages all the time but we hate guns.

August 10, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
alprova said...

Degage wrote" "What the hell do you think eminent domain is?They take your property whether you want to sell or not."For the good of the community" and the coffers of the government.More often the latter than the former."

The subject was bank accounts. You said that was probably why Mitt Romney had cash stashed abroad.

Eminent domain is far different apple than seizing someone's orange bank account.

Nice job dancing around the subject at hand.

August 10, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.
Leaf said...

By the way, joneses, your last post used some large words and clever turns of phrase that seem out of character for you. So I googled one phrase and found that post has been bouncing around since at least 2003.

August 10, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Leaf: Google some of Bulbous' flowery prose.

August 10, 2012 at 5:15 p.m.
joneses said...

leaf,

What is amazing is you think you are a genius for discovering that old post. Wow, you sure are stupid.

August 10, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
joneses said...

The difference between liberals and everyone else is liberals think everyone else is evil and everyone else thinks liberals are just stupid.

August 10, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.
joneses said...

Stupid liberals are invested in the total and unilateral defeat of America on all fronts: military, social and economic. They will not rest until the United States is the same desolate, hopeless, rundown, bankrupt nation that was once the Soviet Union and East Germany. When that happens then everyone will be homeless and impoverished. That must be what stupid liberal Democrats really want.

August 10, 2012 at 5:30 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Huh, libs?

August 10, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.

Yep, still a cacophony of conservative trolls here.

How nice.

Keep trying to deflect and attack those you oppose, while demonstrating every last quality you try to ascribe to others.

I'm still convinced you're all false-flag agents meant to make "your" side look bad.

The longer Mitt Romney hides his tax returns, the more suspicious it looks. What does that resemble? Oh yeah, your own claims about President Obama's birth certificate.

Hey, maybe Mitt Romney can talk about his wonderful healthcare plan, which he DOESN'T want implemented nationwide for some reason.

Oh well, I'm sure he'll find his VP candidate soon.

August 10, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.
tderng said...

alprova said... Degage wrote" "What the hell do you think eminent domain is?They take your property whether you want to sell or not."For the good of the community" and the coffers of the government.More often the latter than the former."

First of all,that was me and second you are the one who said ,"Your charge that "some state Governments have taken property from some and have given it to others...for the good of the people" is going to have to be backed up with some credible proof, otherwise I am absolutely calling that statement out as a perfect lie."

I merely pointed out your fallacy.

August 10, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
tderng said...

hwtnb...have you considered that some things work better on a smaller government scale than a larger one? Crap,(slaps himself on the head) look who I am talking to.The smaller the scale the harder it is to cheat the system.Besides Mass.'s healthcare bill didn't have all the extra bull malarkey that the Obama bill did.I'm pretty sure that the Mass. bill wasn't 2,700 pages long.

August 10, 2012 at 8 p.m.
degage said...

Al, you don't read very well. No where in that post did I use the word Hell. If you had read the post that started our comments you would remember I mentioned both Property and accounts . I also mentioned state gov could seize property for the good of the people or the politians. Imminent dimain. You need work on your reading comprehention.

August 10, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
degage said...

Al, I just went back to your last post about what I said .You really messed that one up. If you want to quote me get it right or don't post it at all.

August 10, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Tomorrow August 11 would have been Brian Terry's 42nd birthday.....he was gunned down by Holder and Obama's gun running. Happy Birthday Terry!!!!

August 10, 2012 at 9:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

Vegas odds makers apparently don't know Geroge Soros since they are picking Romney and giving odds that he will win. I think if you bet $100 on Obama and he wins you collect $110. I may cash in my investments and refinance my house and bet on Obama although I don't like what he has done or will do, I think he is an economics and business idiot. But, I know George Soros supports him and will do whatever it takes including $$$$ to assure he wins. Romney has no idea what is about to happen to him. Harry Reids BS is mild compared to what is coming. Romney's handlers grossly over rate voter intelligence and under rate voter gullibility.

August 11, 2012 at midnight
fairmon said...

The appropriate song for both conventions would be "Bringing In The Sheep". Give Obama a teleprompter and a prepared speech and he is like an old time Southern Baptist preacher that have the whole congregation shouting aman brother aman.

August 11, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
alprova said...

Francis wtrote: "Sure, the jobless rate is falling. But according to the Congressional Budget Office, we are going through the longest stretch of high unemployment since the Depression. The rate has been higher than 8% since February 2009, the month after Obama took office."

And by your offering the above statement, I'm sure that you can point everyone to something...anything...that proves that the sustained unemployment problem is the fault of the President.

The fact of the matter is that the job numbers tanked below the zero line to their lowest in that first month after he took office, and have steadily climbing ever since.

13 month after he took office, more jobs were created in the private sector than were lost and that trend has held for 30 months straight each and every month.

Does the President deserve any credit for this simple and undeniable fact? Absolutely not. Conversely, I do not blame former President Bush for the collapse of our economy that began in 2007 and that ran its course, which still plagues us to this day.

I do however blame the Republican Party in general for creating the environment that caused it. Why? I'll be very happy to explain myself.

Om November 4, 1999, three key and former Republican Congressmen sponsored and rallied for the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Blilely Act, which rescinded the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. This key piece of legislation is the dirtball that started rolling downhill in 1999 and that came crashing down in 2008, wreaking havoc with our stock markets and throughout our banking institutions.

Gramm-Leach-Blilely, also known as the Financial Services Act of 1999, was passed in both Houses of Congress by a veto-proof majority, with 452 Republicans and 193 Democrats voting in favor of it. 6 Republicans and 58 Democrats voted against it.

You see, the allowing of banks, investment houses, and insurance companies to merge and to have unbridled access to our stock markets is exactly what led to the stock market crash in 1929.

Bernie Madoff has nothing on the insiders who perpetrated the largest and most widespread act of fraud on the American people, when practically anyone was allowed to become a mortgage writer, when banks were allowed to bundle any and all mortgages up as legitimate investment securities, and when they were dumped on Wall Street as legitimate and safe investments.

For nine long years, this unimaginable Ponzi Scheme ran its course. By the time that those time bombs detonated, the players in the know had taken all the money and ran for cover, with expressions of mock ignorance of any and all events on their faces.

(To be cont.)

August 11, 2012 at 12:35 a.m.
alprova said...

While you sit there in your seat, day after day, beating your little drum as if it were President Obama's head, there are sensible people in this country who know the truth as to why this country is currently experiencing the slow recovery that is in evidence. I lost 40 percent of every dollar and cent that I had invested in 2007-2008. I know exactly who is to blame, and why.

You're as free as can be to remain as ignorant as you so desire, and to support whomever you desire as well, but what you are not entitled to, is to your version of the truth. And the truth is that if the Republicans are allowed anytime soon to return to a majority power in this nation, they will most likely resume the plundering of the pockets of the American people once again.

August 11, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Al, you're one misinformed lad, lad. But you make up for it in verbosity.

August 11, 2012 at 12:45 a.m.
alprova said...

Degage wrote: "First of all,that was me and second you are the one who said ,"Your charge that "some state Governments have taken property from some and have given it to others...for the good of the people" is going to have to be backed up with some credible proof, otherwise I am absolutely calling that statement out as a perfect lie."

I know that you wrote it. I quoted it.

"I merely pointed out your fallacy."

Is that what you think you did? The subject was foreign bank accounts. You inserted the charge that Mitt Romney was/is most likely stashing much of his money in foreign bank accounts due to some fear that the Gov't might seize it if it were held in American banks.

When challenged on that silly and laughable assertion, you evolve into a pointless argument about eminent domain, which is not even a game being played in the same ball field.

The arbitrary seizing of someone's bank account, without a criminal conviction or a long time ignored IRS assessment being a reason for doing so, is something that does not happen in this country.

And again, it would never be done by any entity for "the good of the people," as was your claim earlier.

You may think that the two distinct and separate issues are somehow related or remotely possible, but as any means by which you "pointed out some fallacy" on my part, it certainly falls very short of the goal line.

Give it up.

August 11, 2012 at 12:51 a.m.
alprova said...

Degage wrote: "Al, you don't read very well. No where in that post did I use the word Hell."

My apologies. After going back, I discovered that it was tderng who wrote the post I was responding to.

"If you had read the post that started our comments you would remember I mentioned both Property and accounts . I also mentioned state gov could seize property for the good of the people or the politians. Imminent dimain. You need work on your reading comprehention."

Read my response that precedes this one. while eminent domain does indeed occur with regards to privately owned real estate and it is a very controversial act committed by any Gov't entity that does it, there is no known case whereby a United State's citizen has ever had their personal bank account seized without a criminal or negligence conviction or an IRS assessment being the reason behind such a seizure.

Come to think of it, the fear of such a deficiency assessment by the IRS may well be the very reason why the handlers of Mitt Romney's "blind trust" saw fit to deposit some of Mitt's money in foreign banks.

If, as has been purported, the reason for such accounts was to hold the proceeds of foreign investments, which would be done to avoid the payment of taxes on those foreign invesments, for at least a short or perhaps a long period of time, before they were allegedly claimed to have been reported to the IRS.

This scenario is exactly what I suspect would be found if his tax returns prior to 2010 were to be coughed up. I do not suspect, as Harry Reid has stated, that Mitt Romney went years without paying any taxes. I'm betting if the truth comes to light, that he or the handlers of his finances, played games to avoid the payment of a great deal of what he was supposed to pay, for most of the past couple of decades.

Thus, the cleaning up of his financial picture starting in 2010, after the rumors began flying.

People with nothing to hide do not go to the lengths that Mitt Romney has gone to in his refusal to come clean or to refute scandalous allegations that he's hiding something very damaging to his reputation that could or would be found in any of his past tax returns.

Want to know how this will all play out? If this controversy continues to plague Romney for very much longer, he will release the tax returns and then take a nice dump all over the handlers of his finances, by throwing them under a bus, claiming it was all them and done without his personal knowledge.

I truly believe that Mitt Romney would sell his own soul to Satan or betray his own wife, rip off those magical undies, and lay down with another man for a romp in the hay, if he thought it would improve his chances for a shot at the White House.

August 11, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Al, you're one misinformed lad, lad."

Do you really think so?

My specialty as an accountant, which is now a very small sideline business interest of mine, is to audit retirement investment accounts. 401K plans for the most part. For the past several years, I have had a clientèle list that included several of the tri-state area's employers, most of which were engaged as providers in the medical arena.

I am in no manner an investment advisor. What I do is to audit every cent in and out in each and every individual account, process and send out statements to each participant, draw up and update plan documents as is necessary, process distributions, loans, taxes, process and file returns to the IRS, etc.

I am very up on the performance of literally hundreds of investments that people make in those retirement acounts, what is earned and lost, and which of those investments have earnings and losses.

Now you can call me a misinformed lad all you want, but unless you are willing to define exactly how it is that I am so misinformed, given that I have been knee deep in the business of investments for several years now, and how I firsthand witnessed people being plundered to the tune of around 40% to 60% of what they had in their retirement accounts during the years 2008-2009, forgive me if I merely laugh at your baseless assertion.

If you're feeling froggy, by all means, don't just sit there and type your one-sentence wonders. Feel free to type something in the form of a meaningful response.

You might even have to create and type a paragraph or twenty to do it.

August 11, 2012 at 2:05 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Al: HAHAHAHA I'm glad I didn't ask you the time.

August 11, 2012 at 2:22 a.m.
alprova said...

That's what I thought. You're incapable of entering into debate. You're feeble mind apparently will not allow you to enter into any constructive conversation.

Now be a good boy and waddle on back to the sandbox and play with the other trolls.

August 11, 2012 at 2:56 a.m.
acerigger said...

Good morning. Just heard,Rmoneys picking Paul Ryan as VP running mate!

If so,he just hung the Ryan Plan around every Republican's neck in this election. How can they run against it when the architect of the plan is on the Presidential ticket? The House just edged further into reach for the Democrats... and the Senate got safer.

Keep your hands off my Medicare indeed!

August 11, 2012 at 3:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova posted....

Om November 4, 1999, three key and former Republican Congressmen sponsored and rallied for the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Blilely Act, which rescinded the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. This key piece of legislation is the dirtball that started rolling downhill in 1999 and that came crashing down in 2008, wreaking havoc with our stock markets and throughout our banking institutions.

I agree. Banks and insurers should not also be brokers which is often a conflict of interest. The mergers resulted in the too big to fail mentality. They are still too big with nothing being done about it. It is evident both parties are unduly influenced by big financial institutions. A surprising fact is there have been no criminal charges and convictions. It appears congress, the SEC and DOJ are unwilling to investigate and confront them or were they complicit in their behavior?

August 11, 2012 at 4:47 a.m.
alprova said...

I've been reading the news stories and analysis of the wisdom of Romney in picking Paul Ryan.

For sure, Paul Ryan is a polite, respectful man, who will be great in a debate against Joe Biden, but he just entered a room that he is totally unfamiliar with, and he will be subjected to some rather intense scrutiny that will test his resolve and any appetite that he may have for national politics.

The only man with less foreign experience and knowledge than Mitt Romney, is Paul Ryan.

Paul Ryan is a career politician, with virtually no business experience in his past, with the exception of working for a short period of time in the family biz as a "consultant."

Again, the burning question of the day is surely to be, "Does Paul Ryan begin to have what it takes to assume the Presidency if Mitt Romeny were to die in office?" Uh oh...there's a phone call from someone in Wasilla, Alaska.

Paul Ryan has never held any statewide political office, such as that of a Governor, Vice-Governor, Mayor of a sizeable city, etc. He's been a United States Congressman his entire political career.

Paul Ryan has offered some rather unpopular and radical solutions as his answer to reigning in the costs of Medicare and Social Security, and those proposals will certainly be revived in the coming days and weeks.

Paul Ryan will also be hit with a few of his more notable controversies as well. Although a big proponent of limited spending, he voted in favor of one or more of the vilified stimulus spending packages, the prescription program for Medicare, and more.

But for at least the next 48 hours or so, Mitt Romeny will be able to take a breather from the limelight of those pesky media cameras.

I was personally betting that he was going to choose Pawlenty. I think that would have been a far wiser choice. Oh...there will be a few cheers coming from what's left of the Tea Party crowd, but things will return to normal in a couple of days and Romeny will still be facing questions about his tax returns once again.

I think Mitt Romney, with this latest ill-advised move, may have sealed his own fate and he will be returning once again back home this November to the State of Massachusetts, unemployed.

August 11, 2012 at 4:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

It seems to me the fat guy from New Jersey or the governor of Ohio may have been better choices. Ryan can contribute better from his current position. I don't know that his proposal regarding medicare/medicaid is the right one but something has to be done about the outflow exceeding revenue by 40 cents on the dollar without adverse impact on current participants. It probably doesn't matter who Romney picks since Obama will have the support of:

o a significant majority of all minorities

o those paying little to no taxes (47%)

o those under 30 years of age

o females

o gays

o wall street

o unions

o a majority of the mega wealthy such as George Soros, Buffet etc.

o the died in the wool democratic base

The WASP can forget it, they will no longer be in control and subject to whatever those in the power positions bring about.

August 11, 2012 at 5:17 a.m.
tenben62 said...

Al said "Paul Ryan has never held any statewide political office, such as that of a Governor, Vice-Governor, Mayor of a sizeable city, etc. He's been a United States Congressman his entire political career". Maybe if he had experience as a community organizer (still to this day, I have no idea what that is) State senator and US senator for 5 minutes before running for President. All that experience has made Barry Obama a great POTUS.

Lets face it Libs Mitt could of chosen a combo of Moses, Jesus, George Washinton, Lincoln, Gandhi, FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, Reagan and Clinton and you would still find fault with that person. Ryan is a good choice. My only prob with it is that I believe he is too valuable in the House. I would of went with Jindal instead.

August 11, 2012 at 6:14 a.m.
degage said...

Poor Al, He really gets his quotes mixed up, can't remember who said what.

The chicago thug n chief and his chicago thug followers have really been playing in the mud and many of the liberal sheep have followed them in. Can't run on his record so he has to trash all others, Just like he did in 2006. This man has ruined the once great democrat party.

I have been wondering how many of you libs have read Sal Alinskys 'rules for radicals'? I know at least one has from his post the others I'm not sure about.

August 11, 2012 at 6:38 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I would of went with Jindal instead.

The same Jindal who made science education in LA the joke of the country?

August 11, 2012 at 7:58 a.m.
ITguy said...

Romney/Ryan... RR... I guess they want to remind us of Ronald Reagan. Reminds me of Rolls Royce.

August 11, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
mymy said...

Ryan has the intellect and communication skills to explain the trouble this country is in because of the debt-plus and do it in simple language people can understand.

87 Days to Go!

Let's see how much lower the Obama Chicago Thug Machine will go. They have been in the mud already!

August 11, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
degage said...

ITguy, is that I thug guy?

August 11, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

Neither party seems to grasp or address the issues with the economy. The desire for stuff (demand) has not gone down but up. The majority of good purchased are imported and not enough Americans realize the importance of buying "made in America" even when the price is competitive and quality often superior. Food products are a good example of the growing imports, check the labels. Distributed by an American company does not mean American sourced. People keep buying imported vehicles instead of Ford, Chrysler or GM and insisting on a vehicle made in America not just assembled in America or imported. Try finding an American made TV or other electronic product. Motorola produced the last American TV and gave up when the union would not give any concessions, even temporary, so they could compete. There is no textile industry in America which was once a major employment source. Would we be better off with people with no skills to offer making $12 an hour while doing something to improve their skills if they wanted to do something of greater value? Would we not be better served by redistribution of wealth with the government paying the employees salary while the private sector trained them to do a job instead of paying people not to work? Why not eliminate all legislatively imposed cost to businesses and individuals including taxes, fees etc. and redundant regulations and establishing a consumption tax that taxes people on what they spend? That would be a fair tax system while making American businesses competitive. Contrary to what the wealthy and politicians say this would be a major decrease in taxes and other hidden cost for those with lower incomes.

You want to raise the minimum wage. Pass legislation that allows the top earners to make no more than than a factor times the lowest paid workers or contracted workers doing work for the business or political entity. Recent GSA extravagance is only the tip of the iceberg in a government too big to manage. Most federal government employees are over paid, under worked and in poorly managed operations.

August 11, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
jesse said...

Hey Jack.keep in mind

brevity is NOT a virtue!

verbosity is NOT A vice!

            SO say the "oracle of Alabama!" (or Ga. or wherever)
August 11, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Business must not be very good for 'ol alpo. He must have taken to trying to teach internet forum 101.

"For the past several years, I have had a clientèle list that included several of the tri-state area's employers, most of which were engaged as providers in the medical arena"

"My specialty as an accountant, which is now a very small sideline business interest of mine, is to audit retirement investment accounts. 401K plans for the most part".

"I am in no manner an investment advisor. What I do is to audit every cent in and out in each and every individual account, process and send out statements to each participant, draw up and update plan documents as is necessary, process distributions, loans, taxes, process and file returns to the IRS, etc".

"I've been reading the news stories and analysis of the wisdom of Romney in picking Paul Ryan".

And 'ol alpo STILL finds time to sit on this site most of the day!

Careful alpo! We wouldn't want your nose to grow too long!

August 11, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.
alprova said...

tenben62 wrote: "Maybe if he had experience as a community organizer (still to this day, I have no idea what that is) State senator and US senator for 5 minutes before running for President. All that experience has made Barry Obama a great POTUS."

5 minutes, eh? He was a state Senator for almost 7 years and a U.S. Senator for 3 years. In the private sector, he worked as a practicing community organizer, a practicing Attorney, a Constitutional law professor, and was a very successful author.

Why is it with some people that any criticism of one person, must be met with some comparison to that of Barack Obama, each and every time? Does a man not merit an assessment as if they stand on their own two feet?

"Lets face it Libs Mitt could of chosen a combo of Moses, Jesus, George Washinton, Lincoln, Gandhi, FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, Reagan and Clinton and you would still find fault with that person."

You're so wrong. If he had chosen Tim Pawlenty, I personally wouldn't have an ounce of critism to offer in regard to that man. He's one Republican that has done an excellent job of Running the state of Minnesota without very much controversy at all.

"Ryan is a good choice. My only prob with it is that I believe he is too valuable in the House. I would of went with Jindal instead."

Paul Ryan is a very risky choice, and I doubt it will pay off for either man in the long run.

August 11, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Degage wrote: "Poor Al, He really gets his quotes mixed up, can't remember who said what."

What? You've never made a mistake? I offered the proper apology. How nice of you to not accept it.

August 11, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Paul Ryan is a risky choice? And you have Joe "hairplug" "gaffe boy" Biden? You're a regular riot this morning!!

August 11, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Go ahead! Say something bad about Ryan.

August 11, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah. Just one heartbeat away from the white house. What a truly frightening combo the people have here.

August 11, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
alprova said...

"Business must not be very good for 'ol alpo. He must have taken to trying to teach internet forum 101."

Business is just fine, thank you very much. I enjoy a rather leisurely working environment most days. And since I don't punch a clock or have anyone supervising my progress, I am free to do pretty much what I want as the sole proprietor of my business interests.

"And 'ol alpo STILL finds time to sit on this site most of the day!"

Really? Most of the day? You really need to check out the gaps in my posting times. Most days, I am usually working from around 10:00 am until 6:00 pm or so five days out of seven. On occassion, I have time to pop in to read and to respond.

"Careful alpo! We wouldn't want your nose to grow too long!"

Your growing nose now places you in two states at once.

August 11, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama needs Biden to make himself look and feel "better" and "smarter".

Very similar to the old high school routine whereby semi-pretty girls let an ugly girl hang out with them so they all look better in comparison. You know it's true.

August 11, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
alprova said...

This criticism may be a bit catty, but you'd think a man standing in front of a nation as a Vice-Presidential candidate for the first time, would have the decency to put on a tie.

I guess the Romney campaign will need to update his wardrobe too.

August 11, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
ITguy said...

*degage said...

ITguy, is that I thug guy?*

IT stands for Information Technology. The IT department is involved in gathering data and then presenting that data to management so that a rational decision can be reached. But I suspect that you knew that. Tell me, what has lead you to think that IT would stand for "I Thug"? Thug is a noun, "I Thug" doesn't make any sense. By the way, what does "degage" mean?

August 11, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
degage said...

Al, You did aplogize and I do accept, then you went on and quoted someone elses quote as mine again. That is why I think you are confused.

August 11, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
alprova said...

I truly am sorry for doing that. It truly was unintentional. I truly cannot explain it either. Not twice.

August 11, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah alpo, kinda reminds me of Bill Clinton wearing jogging outfits in the oval office while getting hooha's from a fat intern. How disrespectful these people!

August 11, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: Is there any poster on this forum that talks about themselves more than you? BTW, Al...when you reviewed Ryan's credentials, did you even once think about The Dear Leader's creds?

August 11, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
degage said...

ITguy Degage means FREE and at LIBERTY. FREE and I want to stay that way.

August 11, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Of course not Jack. He's an evil republican! That's all they need to know.

August 11, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
ITguy said...

According to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/degage Adj. 1. degage - free and relaxed in manner; "rather degage after the nervousness he had shown at dinner"- Edmund Wilson relaxed - without strain or anxiety; "gave the impression of being quite relaxed"; "a relaxed and informal discussion" 2. degage - showing lack of emotional involvement; "adopted a degage pose on the arm of the easy chair"- J.S.Perelman; "she may be detached or even unfeeling but at least she's not hypocritically effusive"; "an uninvolved bystander" detached, uninvolved unconcerned - lacking in interest or care or feeling; "the average American...is unconcerned that his or her plight is the result of a complex of personal and economic and governmental actions...beyond the normal citizen's comprehension and control"; "blithely unconcerned about his friend's plight"

Thanks, you taught me a new word.

August 11, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
degage said...

Al, It is rather nice to have someone on this site admit to a mistake. I to have made a couple of opps and had to admit my mistake. Sorry I came across so catty.

August 11, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

When ol' JD makes a mistake on here, he will be the first to admit it.

August 11, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo being catty? For shame. As for Paul Ryan, he has no cheap plugs, bad caps, and doesn't constantly mug the camera. For sure, he's no Joe Biden.

August 11, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
degage said...

ITguy, from thesaurus, casual, detached, easy, FREE, informal, relaxed.

August 11, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
tderng said...

J-D...WHAT credentials of Obama are you talking about.He had absolutely NO credentials when he ran for president.The HUGELY LIBERAL press elected him after they stabbed Hillary in the back.

August 11, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I still say Bush is MUCH smarter than Obama was, is or will ever be.

August 11, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tderng: Oh yeah.

August 11, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

To have a chance Romney better learn to talk in sound bites and chants like "hope and change", "yes we can", "You're the man" "not while I am president" and he must learn to repeat the applause lines while sounding like a fire and brim stone preacher. Have you ever heard the line "it is not what he/she said but the way he/she said it". Reagan proved it is the speakers charisma and on camera performance that wins elections. Clinton won with his sax playing and talk show appearances. Most people have not a clue what the real issues are or what will happen if the person they vote for is elected. Comedians have a lot more impact on elections than they should. The main stream media can sway a close election or make it closer than it should have been.

August 11, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
miraweb said...

Just a follow-up on the emminent domain thread. There have been some recent updates.

To recap: Towns and cities have the primary responsibility for growth and services. They are having a lot of trouble with banks over foreclosed properties.

The primary issues are banks cashing in on the mortgage insurance, then deciding not to pay the local tax bill paid up so the towns get stuck with the properties.

Many banks who can't sell properties are also lousy landlords and the properties are turning into neighborhood hazards as this plays out.

The banks feel they can have the rights, but none of the responsibilities of property owners.

Everyone but the banks seem to understand that the healthiest thing for communities is to keep people in their homes. This requires banks to write off excess mortgage debt.

After four years of this merry-go-round several cities are now looking at using their uncontested emminent domain powers to do the right thing. They take posession of the property from the bank. The bank gets paid the value of the property and the homeowner gets a new mortgage. Taxes keep coming in. Properties don't decline. Neighborhoods remain safe and productive.

The banks don't have a legal leg to stand on here - so they are taking another tact. They have convinced Fannie and Freddie to use their monopoly power to threaten to redline any cities and towns that use emminent domain to clean up the problem.

This means that almost no one in those cities would be able to get mortgages in most circumstances.

Many cities have the legal chops to take this to the courts. Still watching to see if they go that route.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-09/business/ct-biz-0809-eminent-domain-20120809_1_underwater-mortgages-eminent-domain-freddie-mac

August 11, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
mymy said...

The takers in this country have no clue how that gravy train runs, but sure knows how to take advantage of it. If they stick with Obama and company, they will find out what happens when it runs out of steam ($'s)!

So, keep believing in the class warfare, handouts to unions (now a destructive force), cronies, a little taste thrown out to the gay, Hispanic communities, etc. Let your votes be bought for short time pleasure, but will end up to be long time pain the likes we have not seen in this country

We need real leadership willing to fight for this country and it will be a fight against the negative forces that have come to power.

Why are there still scammers out there? It works and Obama is the biggest of all. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Sill, many have not learned that lesson!

87 Days to Go!

August 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mymy: Excellent post. ...."Paul Ryan is a polarizing figure". -Gloria Borger, CNN. You leftists are almost laughable.

August 11, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

The truth is, Ryan is a Wall Street poodle.

Ryan Contributors:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/include/pop_sector.php?cycle=2012&cid=N00004357&type=I

August 11, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

miraweb: And your guy is steeped in Chicago thuggery.

August 11, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ah, Jack - you know as well as anyone there's no whining in politics.

August 11, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
tderng said...

at least Romney picked someone with something between his ears besides air!

August 11, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
tderng said...

Quayle may not have been the smartest VP.but next to Biden he looks like a rocket scientist!

August 11, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
mymy said...

As a senior: Go R&R!

As a parent: Go R&R!

August 11, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
tderng said...

R&R=REFURBISH & REBUILD!!!

August 11, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lefties missing today....must be over at the cemetery signing up voters.

August 11, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

Just a beautiful summer Saturday, Jacks. No real excitement until the debates. They should be more interesting now that Romney has outsourced his platform to Ryan.

August 11, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
miraweb said...

Here's something to chew on: AARP is reporting that Ryan paid for his college education from the survivor's benefits Social Security provided for him and his family after his father's death.

We will have to see if he still believes that others deserve the steadying hand of Social Security benefits as much as he did when age, illness, or tragedy come to a family.

http://blog.aarp.org/2012/08/11/15-things-you-may-not-know-about-paul-ryan/

August 11, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So what's the beef, Mira? Sounds like good creds to me.

August 11, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb...at least he used his benefits to further his education,what exactly is your problem with that?

August 11, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.
mymy said...

Can't wait for the debates! I know for sure Ryan will eat Biden's lunch just like Palin!

You can bet Romney is ready and waiting on the Big empty suit HRH Obama.

August 11, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

What should he have done with his survivors benefits? Oh, I see. He should have blown it on drugs and alcohol like a good liberal would have done.

August 11, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

With Biden as veep, it takes a lot of stones to down grade Paul Ryan.

August 11, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm very surprised that with all the Republican cheerleaders that frequent this forum, that not one of you touted his sole achievement in the private sector.

He was employed wih Oscar Meyer for one summer as a salesman who drove the Weinermobile back and forth from Madison, Wisconsin to northern Minnesota.

August 11, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
alprova said...

Mitt Romney is confused about which candidate is running for President. Of course, he came back to correct himself.

And to be perfectly fair, the same thing happened in 2008 to Presidential candidate Barck Obama when he introduced Joe Biden.

So you see, mistakes when speaking publicly happen as a matter of routine to pretty much everyone from time to time.

August 11, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I wonder if Ryan will visit all 57 states like Obama did!

August 11, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Smart" democrats should be worried.

"He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him".

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313732/smart-democrats-should-be-worried-john-fund

August 11, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

tderng -

I actually agree that he did very well from a rough start. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem as willing to recognize that his own life could have been a whole lot different without help at a critical time.

He probably never would have gotten to read Rand in college without society's support for his upbringing.

His proposals now to cut Medicare and other social programs show a significant lack of self-awareness. Also an interesting point of view for someone whose entire professional life has been on the taxpayer dime (weinermobile and night shift at a D.C. gym aside).

Ryan, and we as a society, are better off because he had the right help at the right time. Without that help, his story would be a different one. That was my point.

August 11, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: Ryan wants to SAVE Medicare, not gut it. Don't be afraid of a candidate with BOLD ideas. We've got enough of the can kickers now.

And you think BHO has NOT been on the public dole his ENTIRE life?

August 11, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Ryan wants to SAVE Medicare, not gut it. Don't be afraid of a candidate with BOLD ideas."

With all due respect, people, including yourself, have contributed to the Medicare system for many years. The Gov't made a contract with the people and most people deserve to have it honored.

The President, speaking about Paul Ryan's plan to "save" Medicare and to trim "wasteful spending," sized it up quite nicely during a speech he gave last year at George Washington University;

“It’s a vision that says if our roads crumble and our bridges collapse, we can’t afford to fix them. If there are bright young Americans who have the drive and the will but not the money to go to college, we can’t afford to send them. It’s a vision that says America can’t afford to keep the promise we’ve made to care for our seniors.”

“Worst of all, this is a vision that says even though Americans can’t afford to invest in education at current levels, or clean energy, even though we can’t afford to maintain our commitment on Medicare and Medicaid, we can somehow afford more than $1 trillion in new tax breaks for the wealthy. Think about that."

“This vision is less about reducing the deficit than it is about changing the basic social compact in America. Ronald Reagan’s own budget director said there’s nothing ‘serious’ or ‘courageous’ about this plan.”

Last December, during a speech the President gave in Kansas, he stated;

“In 2001 and 2003, Congress passed two of the most expensive tax cuts for the wealthy in history. And what did it get us? Remember that in those same years, thanks to some of the same folks who are now running Congress, we had weak regulation, we had little oversight, and what did it get us? We simply cannot return to this brand of ‘you’re-on-your-own’ economics.”

"Medicare would become a 'voucher plan' and 'end Medicare as we know it.'..."

“If health care costs rise faster than the amount of the voucher, as they’ve been doing for decades, that’s too bad. Seniors bear the risk. If the voucher isn’t enough to buy a private plan with the specific doctors and care that you need, that’s too bad.”

“So most experts will tell you the way this voucher plan encourages savings is not through better care at cheaper cost. The way these private insurance companies save money is by designing and marketing plans to attract the youngest and healthiest seniors, cherry-picking, leaving the older and sicker seniors in traditional Medicare, where they have access to a wide range of doctors and guaranteed care. But that, of course, makes the traditional Medicare program even more expensive and raises premiums even further. The net result is that our country will end up spending more on health care, and the only reason the government will save any money, it won’t be on our books, is because we shifted it to seniors. They’ll bear more of the costs themselves. It’s a bad idea, and it will ultimately end Medicare as we know it.”

August 11, 2012 at 10:28 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "And you think BHO has NOT been on the public dole his ENTIRE life?"

No, the man has not been on the public dole his entire life. Your assertion is totally outrageous and typical of the kind of crap to be expected from you. You like to paint yourself as some sort of political moderate, yet you have rarely, if ever, revealed yourself to be anything other than another Republican cheerleader.

If that misrepresentation about yourself were not bad enough, you cannot for the life of you ever stand your ground and back up a thing you ever offer.

For instance, I now challenge you to back up this, your latest statement about the President. What evidence can you point to that proves that the President has been on the "dole his ENTIRE life?" Let's see if you respond to that challenge any better than you have responded to in the past.

Don't think for one second that I am holding my breath that you will.

August 11, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm sorry that I missed this post offered earlier.

degage wrote: "Al, It is rather nice to have someone on this site admit to a mistake. I to have made a couple of opps and had to admit my mistake. Sorry I came across so catty."

No problem whatsoever. It's all water under the bridge.

August 11, 2012 at 10:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Well, Al, I hope you're not turning blue. How about free rides to Occidental, Columbia, Harvard? Adjunct instructor at Chicago Law...Community Organizer--Surely that was tax-payer funded. And I'd be willing to bet his professional student mother was up to her ears in federal assist programs. No?

August 11, 2012 at 10:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Fabulous choice for the Mittany Lion. Can't wait to see their pasty white visages together. Surely Obama won't get one single rich vote.

August 11, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.
alprova said...

"Well, Al, I hope you're not turning blue."

Nope. I'm quite pink.

"How about free rides to Occidental, Columbia, Harvard?"

Most of Barack Obama's education expenses were paid for by his wealthy Grandparents.

You're equivocating college scholarships, which are generally earned by demonstrating educational excellence, to that of someone being supported by taxpayers?

That's a very broad and unwarranted insult leveled at about 25% of those who find their way into our system of higher learning, don't you think?

"Adjunct instructor at Chicago Law."

Technically, the man was a Senior Lecturer. This separates him from that of a simple lecturer, which would signify someone of adjunct status.

He taught courses of and on at Chicago Law School from 1992 until 2004. He was offered a tenured position with the school numerous time, which he always turned down.

He was paid piecemeal wages for teaching part-time, and he earned every dime that he was paid, and in case you were not aware of it, teaching is considered to be a skilled profession, and under no criteria would a teacher of any description ever be considered to be someone on the dole.

"Community Organizer -- Surely that was tax-payer funded."

Actually, if you dig into the details, the core funding for the organization that he worked for came from the Catholic Church.

"And I'd be willing to bet his professional student mother was up to her ears in federal assist programs. No?"

The President was basically raised most of his life by his wealthy Grandparents. The President has stated that at some point in his mother's life, she was on food stamps. The period of time has never been defined.

Regardless of whether or not his mother was a recipient of any welfare or food stamps, there is no evidence whatsoever that at any point in his entire life, that the President himself has been sustained in life by the taxpayers, unless you are of the opinion that as a U.S. Senator and now in his current position as President, that this is equivalent to that of someone on welfare.

August 12, 2012 at 12:30 a.m.

Alprova, I am of that opinion, considering how many of them are clearly unfit for any other purpose.

tderng, actually while I find small and responsive government a noble ideal, I've also found it is quite prone to abuse. Have you never noticed that small groups have LESS monitoring, and more internal politicizing where they go in a single direction to the point of self-justified corruption?

The idea of a corrupt or oppressive small-town sheriff is not a fictional matter, but all too common reality you can see in many tribal regions. The same applies to states. You could have a state with a deeply flawed government far easier than a larger entity. Alabama I'm looking at you.

Besides, Mitt Romney came OUT against state-based Welfare plans, so don't pretend he's working on principle.

August 12, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
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