published Wednesday, August 22nd, 2012

'Look to Matthew to define marriage' and other letters to the editor

Look to Matthew to define marriage

In reference to the commentary by David Osheskie "Defining biblical marriage," Aug. 5.

What is the biblical definition of marriage? The traditional view of marriage is depicted in Matthew 19:3-9.

Jesus states the pattern of marriage is "in the beginning." The word "beginning" refers to the created order as "He (a reference to God) made them male and female." Same-sex marriage advocates would like us to believe there is no set pattern in the Scriptures. However, Jesus stated that marriage was "from the beginning," which is creation's pattern.

The second point is the continuation of traditional marriage. The verses depict a man leaving home, clinging to his wife, and establishing his home. The word wife is a Greek word which means female. The repetition of the marital pattern is acknowledged in that a man must leave his father and mother. Thus, the marital pattern is that male and female constitute a biblical marriage which is the societal norm.

The Bible does have a pattern for biblical marriage and the Scriptures do present a sexual ethic that finds its complete expression in the sexual relationship established in traditional marriage.

DR. MARVIN JONES, Associate Professor of Theology at Luther Rice Seminary, Ringgold, Ga.


Take public vote on prayer issue

The issue concerning prayer, or the lack thereof, being acceptable at public gatherings has been reported, printed, debated and discussed in most groups, homes and churches across America.

Most often this rejection is made by a small number of people.

May I suggest that our treasured local Chattanooga Times Free Press take a public vote?

We are the Bible Belt of America. Those of us who proudly profess Jesus Christ as Lord should be ashamed.

Being present years ago at the UT stadium when Reggie White prayed one of the most meaningful prayers I have ever heard, it makes me wonder: Where is Hamilton County and our blessed U.S.A. headed?

BARBARA TAPLEY


Ask Obama same queries as Romney

The editorial (Aug. 18) "Romney's tax-dodge dance" crouches to a new low for several reasons, the first being why you would vet Romney in such a disparaging manner, while giving Obama a pass. You seem intent on obtaining more information than is required by law yet you don't seek the same probing questions of Obama.

You have condescended to the level of Harry Reid making innuendoes about Romney with no proof. The questions you printed were absurd, "Has Romney always tithed ..." and "Has Romney gone some or many years ..." Could we not pose these same type suggestive questions to any politician?

You know why Romney paid less than the suggestive 25 percent tax, it is called capital gains, yet you paint this gray picture that he isn't paying a lawful tax. That would be up to the IRS to decide, not some tasteless editor in the Times Free Press.

Why aren't you asking Obama about his sealed college records, his travel records, his religion, his contributions or his relations with unscrupulous people? We the people know the answers, and the Times Free Press will suffer because we know.

DONALD STEWART, Signal Mountain


GOP of old is now extinct

I'm tired of Republicans talking about Richard Daly stealing elections. Neocons have perfected "stealing" to an art form.

The Republican Party of Howard Baker and Everett Dirksen is extinct. Republicans now are controlled by corporations, big banks and the NRA. Our country has been bought by money.

The Republican legislators, in states passing laws to deny the vote to Democrats, qualify as "evil doers." They are smart and evil. Thanks to the Times side of the paper for exposing it.

Voting is a sacred "right"! Many have died for it. That's why I took a Carson-Newman paraplegic professor to vote in 1962, knowing he was going to cancel my vote.

The recently released LBJ tapes reveal Nixon committed "treason" to defeat Humphrey by torpedoing the Paris peace talks. Everett Dirksen agreed. Listen to the tapes!

The New York Times investigation uncovered Al Gore's win in Florida. Had the "Republican Supreme Court" not gotten involved, and Florida had been given a chance to recount all the votes, Gore would have become president. Period!

Bush's coronation resulted in two horrible wars, plus the Great Recession which will continue to be felt for years to come.

And, I'm not sure our nation is informed enough to understand it.

WILBOURNE C. MARKHAM SR., Walden, Tenn.


SS problems are actuarial issues

Re: Social Security fix (front page, Aug. 20): Well, that seems easy enough!

Social Security has been self-funding and able to generate a surplus for all but 11 of its 75 years. It currently has a $2.7 trillion surplus, 56 million Americans are beneficiaries, and the deficit will occur primarily because the baby boomers will reach retirement age.

This doesn't appear to be poor management or over spending to me -- more like actuarial decisions and adjustments to be made because of growth in the number of beneficiaries. Also, the assortment of "fixes" as outlined by the Times Free Press article seems very do-able, but clearly taxing wages beyond the $110,100 cutoff has the largest impact on the bottom line, from the group who most likely can afford it.

What does appear to be poorly managed is, as always, our legislators' ability to work together to make a decision in a timely manner. So what's new! Oops ... did I point out that most of our legislators would be in that group of $110,100 and above?

KAY BOYD, Signal Mountain


City Council trying an 'end around'

The Chattanooga City Council wisely decided to allow the auditor to become independent of political influence. It was a bold, selfless move for people not always known for putting citizens' needs first. After their majority ruled, we citizens voted overwhelmingly (73 percent) in favor of an "independent auditor." Now, some council members think they need to whittle away at the protections created to safeguard independence. What have we to fear from an independent auditor? What evil is so great that it justifies overthrowing the will of the people that you are supposed to represent?

The people have spoken, and just because some of you did not get your way, you have decided to try the political "end around." Who should the public trust on this? The auditors whose job it is to get the facts and report without bias, or politicians who have a public failure rate significantly higher than auditors. When it comes to "finding where the tax money went," I'll go with the auditors.

Council, your constituents will be watching you carefully in the next couple of weeks. Please leave democracy alone.

LYNN ASHTON


At-risk youths get fresh approach

Re: Article, Saturday, Aug. 18, front of Metro section. Thank you, Janice Washington, for the innovative way you developed to encourage at-risk youths to stay in school.

In my opinion, it seems there are too many handouts and not enough effort or accountability on the part of the recipient. Instead, you took a reward-based approach. I pray it touches many lives. God bless you.

BELINDA BERNARD


President just nitpicking

President Obama called out Mitt Romney on how much he paid in taxes over the past five years. But I am more interested in the trillions of dollars of our money that Mr. Obama has wasted over the past four years. Don't nitpick, Mr. President; address the issues that affect us all.

GERALD WHITELY, Ringgold, Ga.

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DR. MARVIN JONES, and what about the people who don't use the Bible for their patterns of organizing society? Will you make them follow your way?

BARBARA TAPLEY, well if you had your way, you'd vote us into a theocracy while justifying it based on the premise that the majority rules, no matter how oppressive.

Thanks for demonstrating yet again why your way must be resisted for the true threat to liberty thast it is. Sorry, but you just don't get to vote in your religion.

DONALD STEWART, the IRS huh? I thought Congress set the rules. But even that doesn't make them fair. Keep pleading for those empty records demands awhile ignoring actual legitimate concerns. It shows where you stand.

GERALD WHITELY, yes, nitpicking to want to see the financial records of the person asking us to core for him based on his business experience. Why next we'll ask Romney for his plans.

But Congress is the one who approves Spending, and you know what? Those records are public. You can read them yourself.

Why can't we see Romney's?

August 22, 2012 at 12:21 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Dr. Marvin Jones, I have even less respect for you theologians than I do for other sheep-minded Christians who look to so-called scholars like you to shed light on the nonsensical Bible. You, sir, should have intelligence enough to be able to see the absurdities, contradictions, and historical and scienitific implausibilities in the cockamamie book. But instead of letting reason be your guide you cling to your blind faith and fritter your time away trying to make sense of nonsense and perpetuating the chilidish myth of Christianity. To me there is nothing more ludicrous or pathetic than you "doctors of divinity" dissecting, analyzing, and explaining verses in the Bible that, even when explained and analyzed, don't make one iota of difference in the grand scheme of things. There is more truth and more of a kinship with "God" in listening to the wind blow than there is in one syllable of anything that you just wrote.

August 22, 2012 at 1:35 a.m.
michaelb said...

I know I cant change the hearts of unbelievers with a few words here but I can only say, for me personally. The power of Gods word is life changing. It convicts me of my sin, it reveals atonement, grace, forgiveness and salvation. Its truth and a light for a fallen world. Its available to all people thru acknowledging sin and confessing Jesus Christ as their savior. Simple faith in Christ. Judgement is coming to us all. No-one will have an excuse for denying Gods Son.

August 22, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
LibDem said...

DR. MARVIN JONES, The text you've chosen to define marriage is well and good for you. I'm sure you'll allow me to choose my own.

BARBARA TAPLEY, I'm not sure a public vote by the TFP would have any standing, but it's a good idea. Maybe the majority could vote all annoying minorities into oblivion.

August 22, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Preaching mythology, controlling women, stripping the middle class, and keeping their other plans a tight secret -- that's the GOP's platform. No real American patriot would vote for such a ticket.

August 22, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Livn4life said...

It is more than underwhelming to see all the division that continues in our nation and in this region. When will the real culture war begin? When will all the faith/unfaith people who believe only in science, openly attack anyone with belief in something beyond us? When will it be outright persecution of those who hold to scriptural teachings? When will all the opression claimed to be forced on people by religionists suddenly be inflicted on the public? Or will the public be so brainwashed by a biased media that they do not recognize nor acknowledge that what they warned against from the other side has come about from their own? How long?

August 22, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
dao1980 said...

L4l, those who pursue answers through science are in fact motivated to do so by the belief, as well as a legitimate interest in things greater than our current understanding of the natural forces governing the universe.

The difference is that they take an ACTIVE interest in this belief, and invest legitimate energy in it's pursuit.

It shouldn't surprise you that those who spend personal energy and put forth effort to understand these forces that allow the existence of our surroundings, would roll their eyes and laugh at those who would attempt to refute this ever continuing hard work, whilst siting on their bums, moaning and leaking over thousand year old superstitions whilst expecting those around them to do the same or face imaginary condemnation.

wowsers, how's that for a run-on sentence!

August 22, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
dao1980 said...

lesliesmart... you may need to change your name...

If you are interested in the origin, authenticity, and geographical accuracy of our current version (and past versions) of this bible, you need to invest your personal energy in researching this popular topic of study.

Beware! What preacher says does not count as research.

You should also keep in mind that there are many other "bibles" for the other religions of the world.

You should also also keep in mind, that our current crop of world religions are just a drop in the bucket in comparison to the religions that our species has engaged in since our development of language and culture.

August 22, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
LibDem said...

"Many of the peoples, customs, wars, dates, events described..." in "Gone With the Wind" don't make that book a reliable text for your life.

August 22, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Climb off the cross L4L, Lesliesmart. Tell me about being hated when a preacher in Texas tells his minions to come gunning for YOU. His quote was for goldly men to smite sodomites. Or When Falwell and Robertson blames YOU for 9/11. May 16, 2011 at the National Organization of Marriage march in NY, Rev. Ariel Torres Ortega of Radio Visión Cristiana said that the gay people are “worthy of death”. In N.C. a "preacher" called for homosexuals to be caged behind an electric fence. Typical behavior of a cowardly bully. Demonize and terrorize (politically, religiously, and physically) a group of people for years; fake surprise when someone starts fighting back and defending themselves, then play the victim while being part of the process that caused the problem in the first place.

August 22, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
jen1972 said...

Well, it appears to me, that the passage from Matthew that Dr. Jones uses to define marriage, also defines what is allowed and justified by God to end a marriage. It states pretty clearly that adultery is the only God sanctioned reason for ending a marriage. Yet we see no legislation regarding that, do we?

If your religion dictates that it is wrong for you to wear blue jeans, then don't wear blue jeans. But how is it right (or constitutional) for you to dictate that no one else can wear blue jeans?

August 22, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Lesliesmart,

"You have no idea if there is a God or not, yet you believe there isn't. So you too are a man of faith."

Atheists reject the idea of a deity because of a severe lack of proof/evidence. There is nothing for an atheist to "have faith" in. Atheism is the default setting for humans. Then religion comes along and tells you to believe in a deity which has never been proven to exist...ever. That is the definition of "faith", believing something on no evidence.

August 22, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Lesliesmart...with regard to this comment from you: "You have no idea if there is a God or not, yet you believe there isn't. So you too are a man of faith."

I am agnostic. I do not say that there is NOT a God any more than I say that there IS one. I find the existence of "God" to be completely unknowable by any means other than blind faith, and blind faith is not enough for me to justify centering my life around a religion as pretentious, childish, and arrogant as Christianity, which makes the claim that it is the ONLY right way to believe. Likewise the Christian God is an absurd and highly improbable deity. I cannot prove that such a silly and despicable god doesn't exist, but common sense and a reasonable amount of intelligence tell me that I might as well believe in the bogey-man under my bed as to believe in a God such as he - who casts otherwise good, decent people into hell for all eternity for no other reason than that they believe differently than he commands his followers to believe. We all have a degree of faith in one thing or another. My faith, however, is based on and coupled with logic and reason, not centered around childish myths and fairy tales.

August 22, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

An individual who has a knowledge above, and, beyond the 'common' five senses is envied by those limited to the lesser five. Billionaires are envied by Millionaires, etc. We now see on this site the stirring of the proverbial 'hornet's nest' by DR. MARVIN JONES. Covetousness is often expressed in feelings of pain. That pain is expressed in statements of 'Sour Grapes'. Jesus Christ of Nazareth told us how to 'handle' these with whom we are to sympathize [maybe sympathize] :

Matthew 7:6... "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

John 3:12... "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

Luke 16:26... "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."

1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Remember, within the word 'Sympathy' is something that sounds like 'pathetic'. Are these jealous people above (those limited to the intelligence of only 5 senses) to be pitied? or, are they to be regarded with disdain? Only God can truly judge.

Ken ORR

August 22, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.

michaelb, they'll have plenty of excuses for all the terrible things they did in Jesus's name. God's judgment I'll await, but you know who is judging people now and claiming to be doing God's Will, right? Take God's word for all you want right now, but don't try to change the laws for me based on your interpretation of them.

Livn4life, ah the cry of the persecuted Christian, you want everybody else to think you're the martyrs now. Sorry, but that's like a bully complaining that somebody stood up to him, not even worth refuting.

lesliesmart, I'm tired of Righties like Akin, Ryan, Robertson, Cathy and so many others using their understanding of the Bible to promote an agenda of intolerance and bigotry all in the name of God. Why don't you ask them to stop?

But really, you're claiming that scholars don't believe Troy existed? Huh, exactly who are they and how credible are their claims? Because serious scholars don't have any significant doubt, no more than they do about the Bible, and possibly less. I'm sure there's some crackpots out there, but how much weight do we give their theories?

Besides if you want to see a treatment of the errors in the Bible, Isaac Asimov produced a work with quite the list of faults. Try reading it.

August 22, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

An individual who has a knowledge above, and, beyond the 'common' five senses is envied by those limited to the lesser five. Billionaires are envied by Millionaires, etc. We now see on this site the stirring of the proverbial 'hornet's nest' by DR. MARVIN JONES. Covetousness is often expressed in feelings of pain. That pain is expressed in statements of 'Sour Grapes'. Jesus Christ of Nazareth told us how to 'handle' these with whom we are to sympathize [maybe sympathize] :

Matthew 7:6... "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

John 3:12... "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

Luke 16:26... "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."

1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Remember, within the word 'Sympathy' is something that sounds like 'pathetic'. Are these jealous people above (those limited to the intelligence of only 5 senses) to be pitied? or, are they to be regarded with disdain? Only God can truly judge.

Ken ORR

August 22, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

-I requested (suggested) my comment at 1:29 p.m. to be removed. I do not want a repost...'in this particular instance'.

August 22, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Lesliesmart (continued)...

As for this comment.... “The bible, by contrast, tends to be right on the money with regards to historical and geographical claims. Many of the peoples, customs, wars, dates, events described are corroborated by egyptian/assyrian/ persian texts.”

You obviously have not given much thought to this, or else have been reading only that literature which suits and corroborates your religious biases. There is very little in the Bible that meshes with any actual historical or scientific data. And the people, customs, wars, dates, events, etc. that you claim are “corroborated” by Egyptian/Assyrian/Persian texts are not corroborated by them at all. The fact is that much of the Bible, both OT and NT, are LIFTED from the religious myths and tales of those ancient cultures and civilizations.

The vast majority of the Christ myth is taken from the beliefs of the Egyptians and their worship of their Sun gods Osiris, Horus, and Isis. The story of Jesus Christ, the so-called “savior” of the world, that Christians believe is literal and historical, is nothing more than an astro-theological allegory for the Egyptian beliefs in their deified sun, moon, and stars. They created a grand tale of a virgin-born, miracle-working, death-defying man/god just like Jesus, complete with disciples, virgin mother, crucifixion, rising after being dead for 3 days...only their tale played itself out in the sky and was based on the winter and summer solstices. The Egyptians did not “corroborate” the story of Christ – they created it, long before “Christ” and Christianity came on the scene! And Christians simply took this myth and tried to make it literal. They/you want so desperately to believe in eternal life and the actual returning of a literal Jesus that you cling to it to this day, beyond all reason.

August 22, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.

ORRMEANSLIGHT, instead of posting about it, and adding to the waste, just edit your comment next time.

August 22, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Rickaroo,

You are playing 'Catch-Up' again. The ancient cultures who worshiped such as their deified sun, moon, and stars, well, they were worshiping what Jesus Christ created. Suggestion: Start with Genesis 1:1.......

"...Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;..."

Romans 1"...God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..."

August 22, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

happywithnewbulbs,

Got it! Thanks, for sure. +(:>

August 22, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Well, there goes the neighborhood. Good luck with trying to have a decent debate or even follow this thread once the king "fool" has arrived, using his "vain imagination" to profess himself as being "wise".

August 22, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

OML, it is impossible to engage in reasonable conversation with people like you who start with the Bible as their reference point. If you cannot make your point without quoting from your silly rag of a book, you are just babbling nonsense. You, sir, are a lost and helpless soul who is incapable of reason. Your blind faith is your blindfold. I pity you, I really do.

August 22, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Ken, if I love a man, I want to know all about him. I wouldn't just go to his mother to find out, I would ask everyone. If Jesus is counting on you to be there for him, he is also counting on you to be smart and know what is real and what isn't. History is written by the winners. And Jesus died. Yet you go back to the same book, written and adjusted by those same winners. Do you not see the problem with that? The dead sea scrolls and the nagamati library show us that the church changed things to suit their agenda. Start there if you really want to know or love the guy. Or start with the tomb of Jesus in Kashmir. (which by the way is the only proof of the man, if it is indeed him.) Check out how the egyptians used much of the book of the dead for the stories. Check out the Sumarians with the original story of Noah, or Gilgamesch,(sp?). And check out just how many saviors like Jesus we have actually had, like Mithra, all with the same story, same birthday, etc. There is much to learn. And you might actually have something to talk about here other than your marred book. Just think of the possibilities Ken, you could quote passages from many sources!**

August 22, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

JustOneWoman,

I will begin gently, and, 'play' according to some of Your rules.

Consider just one area of evidence for the validity of the Holy Scriptures of The Holy Bible:

1.....PROPHECY:

Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 13th power).

In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 11th power.) [I'm quite certain that is One Chance in 100,000,000,000 (One-Hundred-Billion).

Reference Cite for verified higher mathematics: Hugh Ross; Astrophysicist

These are only two of the less powerful proofs. This is only the beginning of what I have to offer through years of research.

August 22, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

Now prove that those prophesies weren't added later to corroborate the story. You have just assumed what you're obligated to prove. You believe the Bible to be true simply "because". You use the Bible to prove the authenticity of the Bible. It doesn't work that way. You take the Bible on its' word for no reason and in spite of the many historical, geographical, common sense, and scientific errors. Your argument is entirely based on faith; not evidence, logic, or reason.

August 22, 2012 at 5:11 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Wow! You mean you can use the (current version) of the christian bible to validate the (current version) of the christian bible?????????? AMAZING!!!

Who needs legitimate empirical data when you can just have blind faith! It's so much easier to not need to know actual THINGS, and just feel my way through life going to church for emotional masturbation when I feel bad about being a malignant crap-head of a person!

When I picture the sky-daddy to help with my insecurity issues, I'll imagine a much older version of preacher Tad, and I'll feel all warm and fuzzy about being able to pray to him to forgive me no matter what terrible, selfish, and inconsiderate things I do to those around me.

I'll definitely moan and leak all over my bible in repentant obedience now that you've opened my eyes to these truthy truly truthy truths!!!!!!

August 22, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.

Records produced today indicate we have always been at war with EastAsia.

Don't you trust your history?

August 22, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

News Flash: From Yesterday (08-21-2012)

Conservative commentator Glenn Beck plans to put out a new edition of "The Jefferson Lies" on his publishing imprint, Mercury Ink. Beck wrote the introduction to the original edition of the book. He was approached by four publishers to resell the book. "All the documentation is there, and we'll be putting out a series of articles in the next couple of months to back everything up."

Author Barton says the new edition "will not include any substantive changes, but I will rephrase some things to remove any potential confusion," Publishers Weekly reports. He added, "I have actually run across more supporting documents that strengthen my case, not weaken it."

Get out Your money folks...this revised edition will even appeal to the 'nit-picking' persons. {is 'persons' a word, people?}

August 22, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.

Instead of wasting your money on that, go to the Dollar store and pick up a copy of John Hodgemann's book.

August 22, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Why did Thomas Jefferson send so many Christian Missionaries to the Indian nations?

August 22, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.

To get them out of his hair.

Thomas Jefferson is dead, he can't speak for himself, and it's offensive when people cloak themselves in other people's authoity. People like Glenn Beck for example. That's just sdhameful. I don't worship Jefferson, and neither should you.

August 22, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

True, I just think it's kinda powerful that I just saw an original treaty where Jefferson used Federal Funding to fund Christian Missionaries to the Indian Nations. Also, these Federal Funds were approved to build a Christian Church Building, and, to obtain Christian leaders to minister permanently there. (Treaty of 1803-1804).

Jefferson wrote the very first Congressional Anti-Slavery Legislative proposal.

August 22, 2012 at 8:51 p.m.

And the Federal government sure treated the Indian Nations well...

Wait, no they didn't.

Sorry, but given that record, I would repudiate most of their conduct for the whole century.

August 22, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It's In the Bible — God Loves A Cheerful Prostitute who Makes Good Money (and Gives it to Big Pimp Daddy)

"It will come about at the end of seventy years that the LORD will visit Tyre. Then she will go back to her harlot's wages and will play the harlot with all the kingdoms on the face of the earth. Her gain and her harlot's wages will be set apart to the LORD ; it will not be stored up or hoarded, but her gain will become sufficient food and choice attire for those who dwell in the presence of the LORD. Isaiah 23:17-18

That's right! The Lord loves a Hot-Hoochy Mama that brings home the bacon and turns it over to God.

In your Christian home there's no need to send Susy to college for knowledge and education. Hook her up with the right holy rollers and she'll be working that butt for the Lord. Divine blessings, fortune, and fame will follow and she'll make a guest TV appearance with Reverend Mike Huckabee to praise Jesus for providing Mike's food, clothing, and travel expenses. Even her tramp stamp will read " Doing It to You, But God Gets the Glory" in red and blue lettering in fancy Bible script above her best Mary Magdalene's Secret lingerie. Won't Jesus be proud?

And don't forget next Wednesday is "Selling Your Daughters Day." Join us as we praise our loving God for His permission to sell your daughters as maidservants. And if the "maidservant" doesn't quite please the buyer, she can be returned for a full refund (less shipping and handling) (Exodus 21:7-8)

Who knew that God enjoys the benefits of prostitution and condones selling daughters? You would — if you read the Bible!

So blow the dust off the Bible on the coffee-table in your living room (it's under the whiskey bottle and 700 Club Pledge cards if you're Baptist, under the "Hustler" and Rachel Ray's magazines if you're Methodist) and read till your sides split from laughter.

Read the Bible—It's more fun than the surprise ending in "The Passion of the Christ" and as a truthful as "The Jimmy Swaggert Meltdown and Confession of the Week."

August 23, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin,

Receive Your message...I say,"daytonsdarwin", "...hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this; But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of Heaven;...and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, Hast thou NOT Glorified: Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and Finished it.TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, And Art Found Wanting..."

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in My name receiveth Me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences!..."

Jesus Is The Rock of Ages! Jesus said, "God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

Jesus said, "...give the vineyard to others... And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The Stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18 Whosoever shall fall upon that Stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

"... 4 They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone. In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaster of the wall...saw the part of the hand that wrote...the ... countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another...."

August 23, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.
dao1980 said...

whoa-nelly, strange... very very strange...

August 23, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Wisdom calls from many places for You to go to the context of these verses. Be blessed,instructed, and, warned by them. Selah

August 24, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I with I knew how to "blow a raspberry" using letters...

August 24, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

dao1980,

If I had fully developed telekinesis I would put You through the correct motions to do that.

Now, if anyone does have the above talent, will they please move dao1980 in the most advantageous/appropriate patterns. It probably doesn't take much to please him, so do it using the simplest method.

August 24, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Socially inept freak

August 27, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Takes One to know one! Now, there, just take that! What You say is what you are. I know you are, but, what am i? I'm telling!... I'm not EVEN going to talk about 'Sticks N' Stones'.

In which school grade were these phrases spoken?

August 27, 2012 at 11:06 p.m.
dao1980 said...

exactly.

August 28, 2012 at 7:52 a.m.
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