published Monday, June 25th, 2012

5-at-10: Questions everywhere about Sandusky, the draft, baseball and motorcycle etiquette

We've got a lot of questions today. Lots. In fact, we're looking for a slew of answers and we feel strongly that the 5-at-10 folks will have a slew of responses.

From the "Talks Too Much" Studios, here we go...

Sandusky

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    Former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, center, arrives at the Centre County Courthouse in Bellefonte, Pa., Friday, June 22, 2012.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

The news Friday night of a verdict in the Jerry Sandusky case was not unlike the unstoppable and far-reaching ripples after dropping a pebble into a still puddle.

And our faith in the judicial system was rewarded, and a post-trial interview this weekend with one of the jurors revealed that each of the eight victims who took the stand were viewed as credible and that the stories and claims were so similar and consistent that Sandusky obviously followed a set pattern. There is still a lot to be hashed out, though, as our ace columnist Mark Wiedmer expertly wrote today.

In fact, in addition to investigations of the cover-up by the Penn State employees, there will be serious looks into the Sandusky family (remember one of their adopted sons made abuse allegations Friday) and several others who turned a blind eye to the abuse. And that indifference may very well have made them complicit. There also will be a slew of civil suits filed against the Sandusky family, their charity, Penn State and even the Paterno estate.

Sandusky is on suicide watch, and that seems a real possibility before he is sentenced on what will likely be 100s of years in prison. In truth, this is one of those cases that we feel safer with Sandusky off the street and happy... strike that... we feel relieved that he was found guilty.

There is no happiness in any of this mess. Period.

There is anger and empathy. There is sadness and seclusion. There is hatred and even a sliver of hope. But there is no happiness in Happy Valley.

(Question No. 1: What's the Mount Rushmore of sports scandals? Sandusky - and the toppling of Paterno's legacy - is either No. 1 or No. 1A depending on how you view O.J. Simpson's fall from grace, right? We'll go Sandusky, Simpson, Black Sox of 1919 and Pete Rose. And remember this is biggest sports scandals, not most serious — or Rae Carruth's murder for hire would be there.)

NBA draft

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    Harrison Barnes looks on during a pre draft workout for the Charlotte Bobcats NBA basketball team in Charlotte, N.C., Thursday, June 21, 2012.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

We love the draft. You know this.

This week the NBA will hold its annual selection of hot-shot college freshmen, gifted foreign teenagers and even a few early-20 somethings with a lot to prove. Hey, it's like the selection Axl Rose had after a late 1980s G-n-R show, only with basketball players.

Anyhoo, everyday leading into Thursday's draft, we'll take a look at some of the big storylines heading into what is the most-stocked draft in recent history, look back at some of our favorite draft moments and look at our draft contest.

This draft: There is little debate that this is the deepest draft in some time. Sure the 2003 draft was super-stacked with stars - LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade were four of the first five picks... ah, Darko - but this year there are potential all-stars in the 10-20 range. And we're not talking about sleepers, either. Look at it this way, Austin Rivers, Perry Jones III and Draymond Green are all pegged anywhere from 10-25 in mock drafts. Those boys are good... good and terrible.

Draft rewind: One of our first life lessons from the draft came in the NBA selection in 1984. The ballyhooed pick of Bowie over Jordan was the talk of the early picks, but midway through Round 1, there was a pick that the 5-at-10 and best friend Brent Rhodes mocked mercilessly. He looked like a goof, playing against church league competition in small high school gyms. In retrospect, Uah's pick of John Stockton at No. 16 was a great one and we learned never to judge a player by his appearance (or a draft pick solely by his competition).

Draft contest: We're thinking the "Feeling the Draft contest" will have the following:

Second player drafted (we all know Anthony "Uniblocker" Davis is going No. 1)?

Number of SEC players picked in Round 1?

Who do the Hawks take first (and there are trade talks afoot)?

Who has the most "impactful" suit (this category will be judged by the Mrs. 5-at-10 and all her decisions are final... trust us, all her decisions are FINAL. End of discussion)?

Who's in?

(Question No. 2: The 1984 draft class was amazing. Hakeem, MJ, Sam Perkins, Barkley went in the first five picks. We say it's the best ever. What about you?)

Baseball

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    Boston Red Sox's Kevin Youkilis, left, hugs teammate Dustin Pedroia as Youklis comes off the field after hitting a triple and being replaced with a pinch runner in the seventh inning of a baseball game against the Atlanta Braves in Boston, Sunday, June 24, 2012.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

OK, the Red Sox are officially dead to us. First, they let Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore participate in the 2004 World Series celebration for a wretched sports movie (Question No. 3: Worst sports movies? We say Fever Pitch is right there. The Fallon-Barrymore debacle is in the discussion because we as guys have already sacrificed a great deal and why do we need Romantic-Comedy sports movies? Why... Oh the humanity? And if anyone makes "The Playbook" — a combination of "The Notebook" and "Rudy" — there will be blood. It may not be the worst -- c'mon, the one with Matt LeBlanc and the monkey playing third base (and the monkey out-acting Matt LeBlanc) is BERRR-utal -- but "Fever Pitch" is in the team picture.)

Sunday, Boston dealt Kevin Youklis, a guy that was part of the guts of a team that ended a near-century old curse, because in large part he couldn't get along with Booby Valentine. (Question No. 4: Spy can you explain this, and we know that Boston has some hot-shot prospect named Middlebrooks poised to replace him?)

Sure, maybe they were getting younger but they are paying $5 million of the $7 million left on Youk's contract to get Brent Lillibridge and Zach Stewart (no relation to Jon Stewart or Stuart Little for that matter).

Hey, rebuilding is never easy and we understand backing management for backing management's sake when needed, but jumping flap jacks and hold the bacon, this is a head-scratcher.

Side note: Jason Heyward is killing it right now. Slap, killing it.

This and that

• Riding with the family through the A-T-L this weekend, we saw two dudes riding on a motorcycle. The same motorcycle, and it dawned on us there is no other explanation than they are involved... not that there's anything wrong with that. In fact, we're sure that even if we broke down on the interstate, had zero bucks, and knew exactly one person in town and his only mode of transport was a motorcycle, we're calling him and asking if he'll pay the taxi when we pull up in front of his house. We're not getting on the back of his bike. Period.

• The news reports say that Clint Bowyer won the NASCAR event Sunday. Well, this may sound overly Southern or what have you, but if the NACSAR boys have to turn right, we're turning it off. So it goes at Sonoma and such. (Question No. 5: Does that make us a track elitist? Would that be a tracist?)

• OK, if you had your TV on this weekend you saw at least one commercial for the movie "Ted" with the talking teddy bear and Mark Wahlberg. Question No. 6: Is there any way this movie is not either AW-ful or funny? There's no in between, right? There's no way anyone leaves there and says, that was OK (and we're leaning toward turrr-ible).

• Did you see the Olympic sprinting qualifying where two women finished tied for third in the 100 meters? Three people make the Olympic squad, and the tie will be decided by either another race or a coin flip. Yes, a COIN flip. Sweet buckets of crawfish heads and shrimp tails, that's a game of chance. Well, at least it's not for anything important like the Olympics. What.. oh never mind.

Today's questions(s)

They are scattered throughout today's F-O-I-B sports column so have at it.

And remember the draft contest, the mailbag and it's a free-for-all Monday.

But if you still need a question of the day because some folks just like consistency... following last week's discussion of the Vols' football under/over win total being right at 8. UGA's is 9.5, even though the Bulldogs are favored in every game.

UGA over/under 9.5 wins? Whatcha' got?

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Eventually, I'll get around to reading today's 5@10, but Friday's column was so great I had to read it again. And I caught a couple of points that need follow up. First, Spy called KK the "author of one of the truly great outlaw country songs of all time." My question is: Which one? (And for you young pups, please don't confuse Kris Kristofferson with Kris Kross. Cause if you do, we'll have to shoot you in both kneecaps.)

And Friday Jay responded to SuckinKentuck that if Bray is injured in week 2 and The Vols go 6-6, DD could keep his job. I doubt it. Right or wrong, this is a no excuses juncture in Knoxville.

And a sports result over the weekend makes the MJ, LBJ, KD discussion seem silly. It's clear that Ashton Eaton is the greatest.

June 25, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Thanks, and we should have mentioned Ashton Eaton today. Well-played indeed.

And sweet buckets of under-rated, Kris Kristofferson may be one of the transcendental minds of his generation.

Actor, singer, brilliant songwriter (a poet in fact), was a Rhodes Scholar and studied at Oxford, enrolled in Army officer school and learn how to fly helicopters and completed Ranger school. He was invited to teach English at West Point but turned it down to sweep floors at Columbia records and try being a songwriter.

As far as his best songs, that's a tough one. We'll take Sunday Morning Coming Down, Me and Bobby McGee and Help Me Make it Through the Night in that order.

— 5-at-10

June 25, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
Todd962 said...

Chas, I am guessing Kris Kross didnt make you want to jump, jump? Any one that intentionally wore their pants backwards during that time period also deserves two in the kneecaps.

Fiveski, your Rushmore of sports scandals is pretty untouchable. If we use the term "sport" loosely, you could include the Nancy Kerrigan/Tonya Harding knee attack, just in honor of the Olympics coming up. SMU getting the death penalty was pretty scandalous for its time (Great 30-for-30). The Sandusky scandal kind of makes that one and the Miami/Nevin Shapiro seem pretty insignificant though.

The Olympics have an unusual effect for me. I will sit and watch hours of coverage of sports that if I took a step back, I would be quite embarassed to admit having watched such events. Example, men's diving. Why am I watching men in speedos hurl themselves through the air into a body of water? Unexplainable. Its the same phenomenon that draws me into curling.

"So they just hurl a rock down the ice?"

"Yup."

"And that guy chases it with a broom?"

"Yup."

"And this is a sport?"

"Yup."

"Fascinating...hand me a beer and tell me more..."

June 25, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, I'd take another race at Rockingham or another great NASCAR track any day of the week over a road course venue. Shouldn't the winner have to speak in a furrin accent in his post-race gaggle with the press (unless, of course, it's Juan Pablo Montoya, the most interesting man in stock cars. In that case, he'd have to talk like Ward Burton.)

Let's trace the Youk discord. A little bit of this was bubbling up late last year when Youk was not having a good year and the Middlebrooks kid (34 RBIs in 41 big league games. Take that, Mike Trout) was shooting through the system.

Then Bobby V either chose poorly when speaking of Youk at the start of the season (in the same vein the dude chose poorly in the third Indiana Jones movie with the 800-year-old knight from the Crusades), or just completely threw Youk out into traffic. Either way, that relationship between manager and player, and almost between manager and team, was severed beyond repair. They had to deal Youk at that point. Youk had played third, first base when they got Adrian Beltre for one year and even outfield when Francona had no other options.

Youk was the quintessential Red Sox hitter of that era. He took pitches. He fouled off tough pitches. He grinded at-bats and that allowed the Sox to get starting pitchers out early and then pound away at weak middle relief night in and night out.

Youk's end in Boston was probably going to happen in the next year or two anyway. They're locked into a long-term with Adrian Gonzalez. Middlebrooks looks like a keeper. Papi's contract is up but he's killing it and how do you NOT sign him up for two more years (ask any Red Sox between the ages of 42 and 60 what it was like when Boston did not keep Carlton Fisk or Fred Lynn. You want bitter? There's your bitter.)

But Bobby V threw gas on the fire, put a whole banana bunch of banana peels on the floor, greased the skids, whatever metaphor you want to use, he accelerated the timetable.

June 25, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
Stewwie said...

Hard to argue with your sports scandal list. The 1984 NBA draft is surely the best too. Count me in for the contest.

Good line on the Dawgs O/U on wins. I take the over because I don't think they'll end up with fewer than 10 (assuming no major injuries of course).

As for your question late Friday about if LeBron and Durant had switched teams, I think the Heat would still win (with Durant). LeBron played fantastic, of course, but I thought that the Thunder had the looks they needed to win, and they just didn't knock down enough shots when they had them. Miami's lesser players stepped up more during the series and it made the difference. Good question though; it could easily be argued the other way. What's your take on this, Jay?

June 25, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
chas9 said...

I'll concur with fiver's top three by The Real KK, but I have a hunch Spy had something else in mind. Spy?

I think of our boy mainly as a singer/songwriter, but his list of film credits is long as Anthony Davis' arm. Or brow.

For those of you who thought this was a sports column, you should know Kris was awarded his blue at Oxford for boxing. Not Jethro's Oxford. The original Oxford. Where Jay's shoes came from. My guess is KK won some of his fights because his opponents didn't want to mess up that purty face.

Todd--Excellent take on hurling. And I'll watch 15 minutes of men's diving for every hour I get to view women's beach volleyball.

June 25, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

9, 5 was right on his first choice. In fact, I had a sneaking suspicion he'd go with that one first.

June 25, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

Ted looks moderately funny, but you're right. Either the worst movie of all-time, the creepiest movie of all-time, or very funny.

As the mother of one of the Sandusky victims said, "None of us are winners. We all lost." Nothing summed up the Sandusky trial better than that. Even for me. Honestly, when they announced the verdict, I didn't smile or cheer or even do a fist pump. I just felt sad. I lived through OJ too, and this is the worse SPORTS scandal, because OJ's wasn't about sports. Sandusky's kind of is about sports. It's awful. I feel sick.

As far as the Youkilis trade, it makes sense. Dude is falling apart physically, and hasn't hit in two years. Plus (whether it is Bobby V's fault or not), Youk is causing discontent in the locker room. The Red Sox had to move him. Now. They were kind of ripped off on their return, but if that was the best they can do, that only shows how little the rest of the MLB scouts and GMs thinks of Youk right now. And I can't fault anyone for that.

June 25, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.
fechancellor said...

10 Ring, what you saw was Billy Jean riding behind Bill Joe on their way to Phipps Plaza to do some window shopping.

Mount Rushmore of Sports Scandals? Tiger makes that list, easy. As for Rose, it's tough to find anyone under thirty that knows anything about it. At least the 1919 Black Socks have a semi-recent movie to tell their tale. The Juice, murderer and thief, everybody knows that story.

Dickey best win all six of would once be described as patsy games. Then win a weak bowl game to get to seven wins that will allow him one more year's grace in K-Town.

June 25, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Where does the SMU death penalty rank among sports scandals? I like that one. It's the scandal du jour.

I met OJ once, back in 1991. He was very accommodating. Somewhere, I still have a picture of me and OJ together. I don't know what became of that photo.

June 25, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
chas9 said...

The barely there response to the Ashton Eaton mention makes me wonder if our beloved 5@10 correspondents know him from Ashton Kutcher. For those who think sports begins with football, basketball and baseball and ends with golf and NASCAR, may I remind you of the 1970's Wide World of Sports Superstars competition, in which such worthies as Johnny Bench, Joe Frazier, John Havlicek, and Maury Wills belly-flopped. Struck out. Even comically so, in many cases.

No doubt Jim Thorpe would've dominated, but we don't have many who can perform at an elite level across a spectrum of competitions.

Eaton's beter than KK's stepfather, Bruce Jenner (who did the Superstars' commentary and replaced Eric Estrada after CHiPs jumped the shark) was.

And for you football-first-and-only guys, here's a name you'll remember. The uncatchable Florida speedster Jeff Demps gave up football for track, but was only good enough for a 7th place finish in Olympics trials Sunday.

June 25, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.

Welcome back Justin Gatlin. You are the comeback kid.

June 25, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Before we start, the random mentions of sports scandals all have merit.

In term of scope, Tiger was the first one cut from our Rushmore. It was right there with Sandusky and O.J for media coverage but that's as much about the 24-7 news cycle as the subject matter.

SMU would be a MON-ster today but was somewhat subdued then. It didn't get as much national ink as the Tressel deal and it was twice as bad and three times as big. (And yes, it was a golden 30-for-30). Kerrigan/Harding is is in the team picture too.

Mr. 962 —

Great call on the Olympics and spending an insane amount of time watching something you have zero interest in as a form of patriotism.

Curling is our frozen neighbors to the north version of porch-sitting.

Spy —

Nice dissertation on Youk. And he got a swell good-bye on Sunday. (Something tells us Booby won't get the same standing O when his time comes. Concur?)

Stew are the one —

We think LeBron still wins, but it goes to Game 7. The confidence with which LBJ was playing — and the open shots he created for his sidekicks — would have been felt and seen by OKC. He creates more for his mates than Durant does. (Side note: How scary in transition would Westbrook and LBJ be together? Wowsa.)

We would take over 9.5 for UGA too.

Stuck —

The only reason we believe Ted has a chance is that it was written by the dude behind "Family Guy." But it would not shock us if it goes to DVD in 3 days either.

FE to the C —

We almost went with Tiger because of his star power. It was tough to leave him off. It was also tough to see Billy Jean and Bill Joe — not that is anything wrong with that.

9er —

Wow, great blast from the past on "The Superstars" — excellently played sir.

And this will be the only forum in the free world where three KK references have meant Kristofferson, Kris Kross and Kim Kardashian. We've got a little something for everyone, no?

— 5-at-10

June 25, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
jgreeson said...

BTG —

Great call. How about that? Sit out for what, six years and come back and win the 100 meters.

There's fast, there's DANG fast and there's Justin Gatlin.

— 5-at-10

June 25, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
chas9 said...

BTG's not talking about the machine gun inventor or a brother in a country music act.

Did you see that Chris Johnson told Jim Rome he's like Lebron? That's as weak as the teddy bear movie.

The 1984 draft was best. And Bowie was good. Maybe the '96 draft was second (Kobe, Iverson, Camby, Steve Nash, Ray Allen).

Two questions for the draft contest: How many times will Coach Cal say it's the greatest night in the history of Kentucky basketball? He will be wrong, but is it a smart thing for him to say?

June 25, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show Stuck —

The Eaton story was nice. I watched the coverage Saturday night. But the coverage on NBC consisted of about thirty seconds spent on four of the five events he was completing in the decathlon that night. I blame NBC for not putting the whole freaking thing on the air. It was an exciting race though, and the guy who blew it by knocking over the hurdles with his hands was awesome too. But who could figure out what was going on. Here's how the conversation went. "Well, they have disqualified him. Too bad. No Olympics for him." After showing the four seconds of the next event. "His points have been re-instated. Still a shot at the Olympics." After showing the four seconds of the next event. "Oh, they won't let him throw a discus since he thought he was disqualified when that happened. No Olympics for him, too bad." Look- if you're showing me tape delay coverage, at least splice the pieces about him together into one coherent story instead of having the story change rapidly about a sport I really don't understand the scoring or why you would be disqualified from the whole event for pushing hurdles over instead of just not receiving some harsh penalty. Maybe they didn't understand the rules themselves? Maybe NBC was confused? I certainly was.

As for the missing OJ picture- I say OJ stole it because he was wearing the gloves in the photo, proving they did, in fact, fit.

June 25, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Ted has great potential to be one of those movies that you see a preview for and think that its going to be the funniest thing ever but after seeing it you realize they put the seven funny parts in the preview and the rest is garbage. Sandler and Ferrell have been putting out a lot of those lately. That being said MacFarlene is the new Farrelly brothers for this generation and is quite a funny fellow. Lets hope its more Family Guy and less Cleveland Show though.

June 25, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.
chas9 said...

Actually, Jay, there's fast, DANG fast, Justin Gatlin, and then there's Bolt action.

June 25, 2012 at 2:57 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stuck —

That's crazy. And OJ would not steal. Dude's the spokesman for Hertz — and he's Officer Nordberg from the Naked Gun movies for crying out loud.

962 —

That's a exactly it. Spot on in fact. (Side note: Do you know that Sandler is like the second or third biggest ticket out there. Dude gets like $20 million a film and huge cuts of the gross. Opera Man has done well for himself, no doubt.)

9er —

We stand corrected. There is the Bolt action — Lightning and Usain — and each is so quick they can turn out the light and be under the covers before the room gets dark.

— 5-at-10

June 25, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.
chas9 said...

Any update on whether OJ has found the real killer yet? So clever of him to arrange a stint in The Big House, whee he's more likely to find the perp than on the golf courses he was searching before.

June 25, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

Chas9 should know that I spit out water all over my screen after his comment about OJ's search for the real killer.

June 25, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
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