published Thursday, March 1st, 2012

The Assembly Line

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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NGAdad said...

Noooo, I thought Obama was the snobby guy loved by only the brainwashed educated types. Oh, that's right, all the Union plant workers are enslaved by Obama's preppy Socialist automobile executives. No, that can't be correct, socialists hate capitalism... and America (but not American cars?). SEE NOW I'M SOOOO CONFUSED ... :~O

March 1, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

That's the assembly line that produces the Cadillacs that Mitt Romney's wife drives.

March 1, 2012 at 12:26 a.m.
alprova said...

I'm wondering how BRP will spin this one in order to attack Clay.

March 1, 2012 at 12:47 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

Obama bought and paid for by the UAW

March 1, 2012 at 1:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

The UAW would be foolish not to support Obama. The bale out to prevent bankruptcy didn't prevent it so stock and bold holders took a loss but the UAW and tax payers hold a ton of the new stock coming out of the structured bankruptcy plus no taxes for GM for a few years. Tax payers need GM to exceed all expectations so the government can sell the stock that is like any stock holder, a loan to GM, expecting a reasonable return on an investment. The difference is the tax payer has to pay capital gains tax on any return but the government of course cannot and does not pay any tax. A weird arrangement agreed to by GM is the president of the UAW being on the BOD. Is that a potential conflict of interest or just possibly being torn between loyalties.

I hated to see GM bankrupt but it was predictable 2-3 years before it happened. I sold the stock short when it was around $35 and took the profit too early by buying it back at around $15 which is like a little more than doubling your money when buying a stock that increases in value.

March 1, 2012 at 2:56 a.m.
najones75 said...

I think he's smiling because he makes $50/hr to put that bumper sticker on.

March 1, 2012 at 5:48 a.m.
cactus said...

This is obviously not the Chattanooga Volkswagen assembly line.

March 1, 2012 at 6:29 a.m.
EaTn said...

Let's put this in perspective: Obama spent a few billion to save several thousand American jobs and a big part of our manufacturing heritage--Bush flushed several hundred billion down the toilet in Iraq who then told us to leave the country. Yep, Obama is definitely the bad guy, and we need to get another right-winger in there to take us back about eight years and on track.

March 1, 2012 at 7:12 a.m.
conservative said...

The guy on his knees worshipping Obamination must be union.

March 1, 2012 at 7:32 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey EaTn once again yo need to get your facts straight. While I admit GWB sucked Obama has sucked worse he ran his campaign on 4 things. The percentage of people on unemployment (which is now higher). Having a balanced budget (almost 1100 days without one while he had Senate & house control his 1st two years in office).The national debt was to high (it has increased over 5 trillion dollars). His final push was the cost of fuel (right now we have the highest winter gas price in history)and yet no one seems to be complaining about it.

March 1, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
MTJohn said...

najones75 said...

I think he's smiling because he makes $50/hr to put that bumper sticker on.

And why shouldn't he? In terms of "value added", he's producing more per dollar of wage than did the CEOs who drove the auto industry into the tank!

March 1, 2012 at 8:01 a.m.
NGAdad said...

JRoss, out early in the jail library, eh?

Let's see here. Obama is 50 years old, so he was 9 years old when the bombing happened. Obama was in Hawaii or maybe even Jakarta, he had nothing to do with it.

You are a total fake and criminal.

March 1, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
conservative said...

The guy on his knees worshipping Obamination is going to get run over.

March 1, 2012 at 8:10 a.m.
mymy said...

Obama: Union Made and Quality Down

March 1, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
Salsa said...

No wonder American cars have such a poor reputation.

March 1, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
conservative said...

Notice how racist the cartoonist is.

March 1, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - have you ever stopped to think that bearing false witness is an abomination.

March 1, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
conservative said...

No Affirmative action practiced here at Obamination motors.

March 1, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
NGAdad said...

mymy... a useful idiot.

Funny GM has surpassed even in-vogue foreign models in sales.

JRoss... it looks like Obama will crush the Republicans in fundraising even if he gets NO union money. HAHAHA, you fake and felon.

March 1, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

I GUESS OBAMA SHOULD APOLOGIZE

More proof, as if more proof were needed, that regardless of what the president does the conservatives will always attack.

The wing nuts and tea baggers want Obama to say, "Sorry GM is still in business. Sorry GM is once again the leading automaker in the world. Sorry that last year GM reported the biggest profit in their history."

I wonder how GM was able to do that with - ugh - union autoworkers???

March 1, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
conservative said...

Were the employees given a math test?

March 1, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
MTJohn said...

blackwater48 said...More proof, as if more proof were needed, that regardless of what the president does the conservatives will always attack.

Correct, BW48. The issues are not the issues. The President is the issue. That's not you and me saying it - it is what the teabaggers are saying is their reason for voting for Mitt Romney. Those folks are offended by the "audacity of getting elected" and are determined to vote against the President even if they are voting against their own interests - which many of them likely are.

March 1, 2012 at 9:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

UAW votes. Bought and paid for. As ever.

March 1, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
conservative said...

Will Eric Holder file charges?

March 1, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Republicans have lost their GD minds.

Every day is a new adventure in GOP cult land. Anyone who dares oppose them on ANYTHING is the equivalent to al Queda, fit to be completely destroyed.

The Republican party is a disease.

Christian morals and family values my ass.

March 1, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
jesse said...
  • List item

ngadad,you need to get specific about jonross's criminal past OR leave it lie!

put up or shut up about it!

March 1, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
NGAdad said...

Jesse ... he knows that he is both a fraud and a felon. Also he is a serial court shopper extraordinaire, sues everybody in sight... and loses every time. Have him explain why this is his way of life.

March 1, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
conservative said...

Notice how the cartoonist gives Obamination motors a pass on work safety.

Notice the OSHA violations : open drawers, tools lying around, no means to prevent car from crushing Obamination worshipper and no safety glasses!

Where is the outrage? Where are the fines? Doesn't this evil corporation depicted by the cartoonist deserve punishment?

March 1, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
acerigger said...

NGAdad,I gotta go with jesse on this,truth-out or drop it.

March 1, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Where is the outrage?

Rightwankers have a monopoly on outrage.

March 1, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
NGAdad said...

ace, does jross provide proof for anything he asserts. Are you and Jesse also jross? Prove you are not... or can it!

March 1, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
NGAdad said...

jack dennis... sooooo you are anti-voting? Go to Russia, there they have sham elections, you'd like that.

Gotta go, you wingnuts stroke out.... please!

March 1, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
acerigger said...

Me,jonross??hahaha

March 1, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
hambone said...

As a retired union worker drawing a good pension I always laugh at all the union bashers. They have no idea how much the union movement has helped their lives.

It's just the green eyes of jealous envy !!

March 1, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
conservative said...

Only one guy lifting the car door, wait till the union hears about this!

March 1, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
limric said...

After nearly collapsing, the big three automakers are turning profits again and opening new factories. They have added more than 200,000 jobs. And those workers aren't just building cars again--they are building better cars that help save money at the pump. And we all know how painful that is. The cars they are building to meet new fuel efficiency standards will average 55 miles to the gallon by 2025, cutting our consumption by 2 million barrels a day.

When Obama took office, automakers were on the brink of failure. The economy was in complete free fall and private investors weren’t willing to take a chance on the auto industry. Doing nothing, as some (Obamney for one) proposed, would have immediately cost more than a million jobs, and threatened many more in communities that depend on the industry; very likely throwing the country into a depression.

I am not very happy with the President Obama, but the fact that he wasn’t willing to let that happen was the right thing to do. He stepped in and offered the support automakers needed in return for some restructuring on their end. Which, unlike the financial industry, has happened.

Say what you will about the auto industries bailout, but as far as I’m concerned the last time the Republicans actually addressed any job issue (other than their phony baloney 2010 campaign slogans) was when George Bush created the Dept. of Homeland "Security" and INCREASED the size of the Federal Government and its inherit bureaucracy. How's that for a Small Government Party?

Let's face it, if President Obama said that he wanted to make oxygen affordable to All American, Republicans would whine that it’s socialism and would then lobby for more oil company subsidies. UAW support for Obama. Yea, I completely support it. Anyone not understanding it is well – you know….

March 1, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
LibDem said...

"Obamination" is so cute and original. I know it makes Christian Conservatives giggle.

March 1, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
conservative said...

Notice the touchy feely of the Obamination worshipper.

March 1, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
timbo said...

blackwater48...YOU DAMN RIGHT HE SHOULD APOLOGIZE FOR THE AUTO BAILOUT.

To spend our tax money on a mismanaged company that could have used the bankruptcy laws to reorganize while tens of thousands of small businesses went under is a crime. This was blatant vote buying and a payoff for his union support.

It is wrong and unconstitutional for the government to pick the winners and losers in the economy. It reminds me of the managed economy of Nazi Germany. There was private business but the government picked the people who could stay in business.

This is also a prime example of crony capitalism at it's worst. I didn't see your Occupy Wall Street buddies protesting 1 percenters like GM getting a goodies from Obama.

This money would have been better spent on providing access to capital for the driving force of employment and our economy. That is small business. We are responsible for 70% of the jobs in this country and treated like crap. The Obama/Bush bank bailout and most of the "stimulus" money went to big business. Bankers tell me that the bank regulators are up their butts and making it impossible to loan money to businesses. All the while the big banks are making record profits while **Obama is fiddling while Rome burns.

Obama and that fake conservative Bush make me sick.**

March 1, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rogerdodger said: "Obama bought and paid for by the UAW."

I sure wish that you Romoney supporters would make up your minds. You’re confusing the rest of us. Just a few days ago, you were screaming that Rick Santorum was the big union guy. So please tell us the truth, Rogerdodger. Which one is it? President Obama or Rick Santorum?

March 1, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
terrybham said...

I love your work Clay. Keep it up.

March 1, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
miraweb said...

Funny how Chevy and Ford are the ultimate icons of the hard-working American but some drivers suddenly get 'the vapors' when thinking about the people who designed and built their Real American machine.

Obama did reinvigorate a badly damaged American industry and put American workers back to work in the process. Romney says he "loves to fire people" and his history at Bain bears that out. It's your call.

The republicans are split three ways at the moment: They have the Wall Street faction, who understand and like Romney; the Tea Party/libertarian faction, who really get Ron Paul; and the religious conservatives who can relate to what Rick Santorum has to say (though, any other day a Catholic would be a heretic).

In the past, the GOP could count on the third group to always go along and support the party because very few people change their religion.

They have trouble this year (and a split primary vote) largely because the second group after a real economic crash have their eyes open and aren't dancing to the music and the third group have real trouble voting for a Mormon.

The party's worst fear is that groups two and three may sit this one out or vote as independents because the GOP candidates on tap can't cross the divides.

P.S. Be sure to vacuum out that pesky union dust when you pick up your new ride from the dealer.

March 1, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey MTNL the answer is simple BOTH. How is that so confusing?

March 1, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

AND THERE IT IS

Timbo fumed, It reminds me of the managed economy of Nazi Germany.

Hitler? Really??

You forgot kenyan anti-colonial marxist muslim terrorist, etc., etc...

You don't think republicans 'pick winners?' Please. They will defend to the death the corporate interests, and campaign contributors, of big oil, health insurance companies, and the privileged few. Have you noticed the republican primary? Looks like a billionaire game of musical chairs.

As for the rest of your rant, please go back and read Limric. He summed it up better than I ever could. As usual.

March 1, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
Drake said...

You lefties on here would feel right at home in a bannana republic, Nazi Germany or North Korea. You would think Obama has the answer to every problem and can do no wrong. How easily you're willing to turn it all over to some personality who'll promise you the most stuff, even if it means taking it from someone else, or trashing the Constitution in the process. SCARY!

It really is true that liberals seek guarantees and conservatives seek opportunities. The liberals on this site confirm it.

March 1, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
miraweb said...

Checking my card . . . now Drake gives me "Nazi", "North Korea" and I already had "Worship" and "Obamney". Just one more "Socialist" and I have BINGO!

March 1, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
davisss13 said...

It really is true that liberals seek guarantees and conservatives seek opportunities.

Republicans stood on the bodies of the 9/11 victims as a vehicle to usher in the GOP 'permanent majority', aka, the DEATH of democracy in the US.

Conservatives could never pass up an opportunity like that.

Christian morals and family values my ass.

March 1, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
John_Proctor said...

Limric @10:47:

Extremely well-stated, sir, especially your oxygen example.

I refer to these howlers as "Broken Glass Obama Haters." That is they would crawl naked through broken glass to criticize President Obama. (You may want to wash your eyes out with bleach after picturing that visual.) If President Obama cured cancer and the common cold tomorrow, they would criticize him for taking so long and usurping the mission of the drug industry.

Another term is ODS, Obama Derangement Syndrome whereby the mere mention of his name causes frothing at the mouth and wildly inaccurate postings that scream "Kenyan socialist," "Nazi," "Socialist," "Communist," and/or all of these.

A lot of us are not overwhelmingly thrilled with the last 4 years. However, we have still retained the ability to civilly disagree without resorting to name calling and feces flinging.

March 1, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.

Obama bailed out the UAW and not the auto industry. I'm sure Clay knows this but he can't control his misguided urges to promote a bad POTUS.

March 1, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
cactus said...

GM still owes the taxpayers $26,000,000,000.00 (that's $26 billion for those of you who went to government schools).

March 1, 2012 at 1:21 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

bookieturnersghost said...

"Obama bailed out the UAW and not the auto industry."

You got something to back that up? Or is it the usual fact challenged rhetoric of the ever unsophisticated right wing?

Limric is absolutly right when he said, "*Doing nothing would have immediately cost more than a million jobs, and threatened many more in communities that depend on the industry; very likely throwing the country into a depression.*"

Conservatards,‘Rooting For America To Fail Since November 2008′ :John Stewart

Why do you hate America bookieturnersghost?

March 1, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

NGAdad: Not sure what I posted had to do with Russia...that would seemingly be closer to your heart. BTW, you quite prolific at name calling.

March 1, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
timbo said...

blackwater48...I said Bush and the republicans are guilty too, just less guilty. I didn't say Hitler anything. I described a type of economy that is similar to what Obama wants. I don't think he wants to kill Jews or anyone else.

I think Obama is a would be socialist, with no experience or feel for business, with average intelligence, that is the hand-maiden of evironmental extremists and unions and has no clue how to run a government. I don't give a damn about "kenyan anti-colonial marxist muslim terrorist, etc., etc..." and have never mentioned any of that. None of that affects my life or pocketbook.

By the way, Obama has raised more money from the "privileged few" and Wall Street than any other candidate in history. This delusion that you and some of the other libs on this page that somehow the two parties are somehow different is comical.

Obama is president, I am not going to criticize someone in the past. What good does that do? I will say it just for you...Bush was awful and increased the deficit and spending like a drunken democrat. I criticized him too, I will send you some letters to the editor to prove it.

Your over reaction and that of your partners in crime, just shows how sensitive you are because deep down you have to know what a screw up he really is. Maybe not.

March 1, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
davisss13 said...

hand-maiden of evironmental extremists and unions

You are apparently clueless.

Obama is president, I am not going to criticize someone in the past.

With all due respect, which is none, conservatives are STILL talking about Carter.

March 1, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
jjmez said...

Can't anyone see what the rePULSIVECANTS are up to? They wanted America's GM and other automobile companies to fail because they don't want the competition. As they invite more and more foreign autombile companies to the south and other businesses from abroad, it's been long in their plans to rebuild the south and then secede. Splitting America into the North and South (Confederate) again. Just a few short years ago they were even talking about where they'd have their Capitol. On some Georgia island plantation town. I've since forgotten the name of the town. Their plans have been to bring back the south to its old misguided glory days. Break the north. They never stopped fighting the Civil War or War Between The States.

March 1, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
timbo said...

davisss13....Your having a flush back...I never mentioned Carter either.

That's right Obama has nothing to do with unions or environmentalist.

March 1, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.
rolando said...

Occupy Wall Street by Dr. Thomas Sowell

The current Occupy Wall Street movement is the best illustration to date of what President Barack Obama's America looks like. It is an America where the lawless, unaccomplished, ignorant and incompetent rule. It is an America where those who have sacrificed nothing pillage and destroy the lives of those who have sacrificed greatly.

It is an America where history is rewritten to honor dictators, murderers and thieves. It is an America where violence, racism, hatred, class warfare and murder are all promoted as acceptable means of overturning the American civil society.

It is an America where humans have been degraded to the level of animals: of defecating in public, having sex in public, devoid of basic hygiene. It is an America where the basic tenets of a civil society, including faith, family, a free press and individual rights, have been always rejected. It is an America where our founding documents have been now shredded and, with them, every person's guaranteed liberties.

It is an America where, ultimately, great suffering will come to the American people, but the rulers like Obama, Michelle Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, liberal college professors, union bosses and all other loyal liberal/Communist Party members will live in opulent splendor.

It is the America that Obama and the Democrat Party have now created with all the willing assistance of the American media, Hollywood , unions, universities, the Communist Party of America, the Black Panthers and numerous anti-American foreign entities.

Barack Obama has brought more destruction upon this country in three years than any other event in the history of our nation, but it is just the beginning of what he and his comrades are capable of.

The Occupy Wall Street movement is just another step in their plan for the annihilation of America .

"Socialism, in general, has a record of failure that's so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."

Dr. Thomas Sowell (A National Humanities Medal Winner)

-- The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are out numbered by the people that vote for a living.

March 1, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

FORWARD INTO THE PAST

Timbo admitted, Bush was awful and increased the deficit and spending like a drunken democrat.

So your remedy is to elect one of the republican candidates who each promise to bring back the Bush economic model, complete with tax cuts for the rich and increased military spending. And don't believe that malarkey about 'smaller government.' That's been a consistent GOP theme going back to Reagan and they ALWAYS increase the size of government.

Another oldie but goodie: Government IS the problem. Then republicans get elected and set about proving the point beyond anyone's wildest expectations.

By the way, kudos to all you wing nuts and tea baggers. That's quite a competition you're having, each of you trying to outdo the others in sprinting farther and farther to the right.

Party like it's 1959!

March 1, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

rolando said... Occupy Wall Street by Dr. Thomas Sowell The current Occupy Wall Street movement is the best illustration to date of what President Barack Obama's America looks like. It is an America where the lawless, unaccomplished, ignorant and incompetent rule. It is an America where those who have sacrificed nothing pillage and destroy the lives of those who have sacrificed greatly.

Thomas Sowell ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait to those tea baggers go back to using folks like him as ornaments hanging from trees, lamposts, bridge rafters and anything else they can find to hang his *(&! from. LOL

March 1, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
davisss13 said...

Carter was, and is, an ahole of immense porportions who STILL deserves our scorn.

See what I mean? Yet y'all totally disown Bush the lesser and the 8 years he screwed America and expect everyone to forget what he and his corrupt, corporate whore party did to this country and the world.

March 1, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.
davisss13 said...

timbo said.. That's right Obama has nothing to do with unions or environmentalist.

Did I say he had nothing to do with them?

hand-maiden of evironmental extremists and unions

You are dishonest to say the least. I bet you even call yourself a Christian.

March 1, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

jjmez said...Can't anyone see what the rePULSIVECANTS are up to? They wanted America's GM and other automobile companies to fail because they don't want the competition. As they invite more and more foreign autombile companies to the south and other businesses from abroad. So are you suggesting that the Nissan plant in Sparta and the Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga are BAD. I am guessing there are about 5,000 employees that will tell you just how stupid of a remark that was.

March 1, 2012 at 4:20 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Look what happens when Bennett dares touch on a subject that includes Obama, A Good Cartoon!

Of course, Bennett thinks that the blatant purchase of UAW support with taxpayer money is something to be celebrated.

You all know, don't you, that the retirement package problem has not been solved but only kicked down the road long enough to get Obama reelected… right? This picture will be quite a bit less cheerful when the day of reckoning finally arrives.

March 1, 2012 at 4:39 p.m.
davisss13 said...

BRP, You and your filthy corporate whore party hate US workers so much you collaborated with Chinese communists to undermine US unions and worker rights by exporting manufacturing and the tech to slave labor markets. That is/was a national security issue but you degenerates are bought and paid for.

Your filthy GD party want nothing less than a return to the age of the robber barons where workers were powerless and the filthy rich could do anything they wanted.

I have no idea how you morals and values 'patriots' can even sleep at night.

March 1, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

WOW it is real fun to watch how the Obama lovers act when it hits just a little close to home. It is also funny how they complain about all the name calling but just at the post here and see where the majority is coming from.

March 1, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Wow davisss13. Who peed in your Wheaties?

It is too bad that you cannot see that we are on the same side. The only difference between us is that we have different demons. While big government politicians and the dark side of big business collude at our expense you blame the businessman and I blame the politician.

March 1, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.
davisss13 said...

rogerdodger said... WOW it is real fun to watch how the Obama lovers act when it hits just a little close to home. It is also funny how they complain about all the name calling but just at the post here and see where the majority is coming from.

Oh that's real good. Let me tell you something Cletus, spit in my face every GD day for 12 years, call me a traitor, a terrorist lover, a marxist/communist ect and I'm not going to shake your hand or send you a GD birthday card.

What really gets me about you cowards is you act like everyone outside your filthy cult is al Queda, fit to be destroyed for the last 12 years...then, when people finally react you yellow-bellied punks cry like babies and mourn the loss of civil discourse. You can shove that bull. We're sick and tired of you filthy culture warriors, greedy corporate whores, torture lovers and worshipers of the wealthy.

Christian morals and values my ass. You're nothing but degenerate hypocrites, with purely situational morals, faith and ethics who wrap themselves in the flag and the bible to avoid any accountability.

That is coming from someone who voted GOP many times before 9/11. Believe me, I can make up for that.

March 1, 2012 at 5:27 p.m.
davisss13 said...

BigRidgePatriot said... Wow davisss13. Who peed in your Wheaties?

It is too bad that you cannot see that we are on the same side. The only difference between us is that we have different demons. While big government politicians and the dark side of big business collude at our expense you blame the businessman and I blame the politician.

I am certainly not on your side. I've read your bs.

March 1, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
potcat said...

Apple products are made in China. The factory has taken over the town, provence whatever. The working and enviromental conditions are deadly.

The Apple factories have built high rise housing for the slaves and locked them inside to keep them from leaving and have had to put up Suicide nets around the buildings because of so many jumpers.

Child slavery is popular because of how small their hands are and they can set them fancy little dudads into your Mac.

Yeah, we are paragons of virtue, except we love our toys more than some commie and it doesn't matter how its got.

March 1, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

davisss13 said... "I am certainly not on your side. I've read your bs"

Your paradigm of hate blinds you!

Clearly we do not understand each other, but we both want what is best for America and the American worker.

March 1, 2012 at 5:35 p.m.
moonpie said...

Wow....

I've read the posts above and can't find one articulate argument that addresses the unquestioned success of President Obama's decision to rescue GM.

Not only did he rescue jobs at GM, but subsequently suppliers, dealers, banking, etc. What was the estimate when VW came to town? For every 1 job created by VW, 7-12 additional support jobs would be created?

Well for every job lost by GM, how many jobs in other sectors would have been lost?

The attitude displayed above reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw last week:

Republicans: Keeping Millions Out of Work To Put One Man Out of a Job

March 1, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
jjmez said...

davisss13 said...

Carter was, and is, an ahole of immense porportions who STILL deserves our scorn.

See what I mean? Yet y'all totally disown Bush the lesser and the 8 years he screwed America and expect everyone to forget what he and his corrupt, corporate whore party did to this country and the world

Yeah! I can recall the interview in 2005 with Scarborough of the 9/11 widow and when she was cut short because she was trying to discuss why she felt the government under Bush might have had something to do with 9/11/2001

March 1, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.
rick1 said...

Yes, GM did have record profits of $7.6 billion in 2011, but don't forget GM is not payintg taxes on this profit. With a corporate rate of 39.2% and $7.6 billion in profits that is $2.98 billion in taxes GM is not paying. I thought Obama wanted everyone to pay their fair share?

GM was also allowed to illegally carry forward $45.billion in losses, which they can now illegally use as a tax write-off.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/papers/pdf/Ramseyer_et%20al_690.pdf

Obama gave Chrysler and GM $68 billion and they still filed bankruptcy, and we have lost billions. GM and Chrysler did not need a bailout to file for bankruptcy.

This was nothing but a pay off for the unions and the bondholders were screwed along with the Delphi Auto parts non union workes who Obama threw under the bus. It is being reported they lost all of their health and life insurance and some have lost up to 70% of their pension. They are now suing in Federal Court.

March 1, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
GameOn said...

Roughly 1,000 GM dealerships and 780 Chrysler dealerships were closed nationwide. How many jobs was that? The UAW was saved but the jobs on Main Street in communities all across America were lost as part of the "shared sacrifice" required by the Obama Administration. A structured bail out would have been better than a bankruptcy bail out. More jobs could have been saved.

It's ironic how some dealerships were forced to close and they ended up with the competition down the street. Some dealerships in business for decades were forced out of business while some dealerships in business for a few years were saved. Rural communities were left without dealerships. The Dems really took care of the middle class in Hometown, USA.

March 1, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.
acerigger said...

rolando ,Sowell is only a "tool",used to disparage a movement that, you yourself would probably advocate if you would familiarize yourself with their point of view;for instance,do you agree that "big money interests"should own OUR elected representatives and actually write the legislation? I certainly do not!

check out(for yourself) the actual people who are involved,they ain't nothing like those fools that Sowell describes.

Follow the money.Who pays Sowell to write this type of smear?

rolando,I know you ain't no "dummaz",check it out for yourself.

March 1, 2012 at 9:53 p.m.
acerigger said...

you NAILED it moonpie!

March 1, 2012 at 10:02 p.m.
alprova said...

cactus wrote: "GM still owes the taxpayers $26,000,000,000.00 (that's $26 billion for those of you who went to government schools)."

Be that as it may, that amount is a drop in the bucket, compared to what the Government would have paid out in terms of unemployment benefits for three years for hundreds of thousands of employees that would have been directly affected had GM not been saved.

March 1, 2012 at 10:05 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rogerdodger said: "Hey MTNL the answer is simple BOTH. How is that so confusing?"

It isn't, Rogerdodger. I was just trying to figure out if the hate rhetoric that you were peddling yesterday was coming out of the mouth of a Santorum supporter or a Romoney supporter. These kinds of things are important to some of us, but you’ve clarified it.

March 1, 2012 at 10:12 p.m.
jjmez said...

JonRoss said...

Sadness for the widow, but I am not sure she is an expert on the subject. During the Clinton misAdministration Madaline Albright stopped the CIA from taking out Ben Laden because the U.S. had not "actionable evidence" that Ben Laden was connected with any crimes, even though the evidence was clearly there. Once again a Progressive/Dem was afraid of offending the muzzies. Albright and Clinton have one their hands the blood of 3,000 terror victims.

And now the God King is humbling himself before the muzzies in Afghanistan. On non-regime news outlets Obama is shown stating that his apologies has quietened things down. Ask the widows of our servicemen butchered by the muzzies who is to blame for the violence. Obama is going to be near the top of the list.

Of all the attacks Bin Laden proudly took credit for, 9/11 was the only one he emphatically denied having had anything to do with. It was only after some tweakin' and some tapes mysteriously appeared on the scene with someone's voice on it, supposedly Bin Laden's, admitting he'd been involved.

As for the butchering goes, that's being committed by all sides. But after all, if someone came onto your property, into your home and proceeded to rape your wife, children, the family pet, laughed in your face and stole all your earthly goods, you'd be pissed enough to butcher someone too. But isn't that what war is all about? Civilized citizens, turned barbarians, butchering* one another? War is HELL!!!

March 1, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Moonpie, you're 6:18 pm post gets my nomination for post of the month.

You indeed nailed it to the wall.

Obama haters refuse, and I do mean refuse to give the man credit for doing something right.

Someone claimed that the President saved the UAW, not GM. What a ludicrous statement.

Bailout. When I hear the word, I think of it in a very positive way. To me it means that the President was willing to invest in an industry in hope of getting out of a bad situation.

Ask the employees who directly or indirectly worked for GM how they feel about what the President did. The investment he made saved an American auto company. It saved the jobs of the executives and many other corporate employees. It saved the jobs of union and non-union workers, employees of the dealers who sold the cars, jobs of sales and repair people who worked at the dealerships, jobs of people and companies who supplied the needed parts to build cars and trucks, and it has put money into accounts of investors who still believed in the company. Based on the results, I would say we, as a nation, made a good investment, despite the negative opinions of some.

If you look at all the people whose jobs were saved, I am sure you will find Democrats, Republicans, and independents.

How can something so positive for many American people be conceived as being so negative by so many?

Personally, I consider the opinions of those who have negative outlooks on the issue, to be totally irrelevant. Why argue with idiots?

Thankfully, not many of them can do a thing but hold on to their negative opinion and I dare offer that none of them will be voting for President Obama in November, no matter what. So screw 'em.

The Obama haters have been and still are in the minority. He's going to win the election to a second terms anyway, no matter how much they gripe, complain, whine, continue to spread their ignorant and false statements, or bang their heads against a wall.

March 1, 2012 at 11:05 p.m.
hambone said...

Al, Just write gown all the Obama haters names and see how many of them have the b$lls to show up on this forum on November 7 !!

March 1, 2012 at 11:45 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Limric said: "When Obama took office, automakers were on the brink of failure. The economy was in complete free fall and private investors weren’t willing to take a chance on the auto industry. Doing nothing, as some proposed, would have immediately cost more than a million jobs, and threatened many more in communities that depend on the industry; very likely throwing the country into a depression."

Great post, Limric. . . And sounds like Clinton agrees big time . . . and so do I:

Washington — The decision to save the U.S. auto industry is President Barack Obama's biggest achievement — bigger than landmark health care reform, former President Bill Clinton told more than 1,600 current and retired autoworkers Thursday morning.

In a 50-minute speech to the United Auto Workers union's Community Action Program convention here, the former president also criticized a Republican presidential candidate for opposing the $85 billion auto bailout.

"Every time I hear Mr. Romney talking about this, I think his daddy must be turning over in his grave," Clinton said of Mitt Romney's late father George, who was a three-term governor of Michigan and chief executive at American Motors. "We could not afford to lose a million and a half to 2 million jobs."

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120301/AUTO01/203010416/1121/Clinton--Obama’s-biggest-achievement-is-saving-U.S.-auto-industry

March 1, 2012 at 11:49 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Why shouldn’t he smile because where else will he get $50/hr to perform unskilled labor. After all, once they find out which way to rotate the nut to tighten it how much more do they need and with the new automated tools all they really have to do is stay above room temperature."

Sweetheart, from the above statement, it's rather clear that you haven't worked on a production line in an auto assembly plant. A great deal of training is involved and skills are developed for most of the jobs. It's tedious, physical, repetitive, and fast paced work.

The average UAW worker makes about $28.00 an hour -- not $50.00 an hour.

March 2, 2012 at 4:24 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "The average UAW worker makes about $28.00 an hour -- not $50.00 an hour."

More fun with statistics. I suspect that most UAW workers do not work for the OEMs. When the OEMs spun off parts production (due to high labor costs) the UAW went after the suppliers that picked up the business and, for the most part, was successful organizing said suppliers.

Since then, many of those same suppliers have inherited the problems and have had to play musical plants to shed UAW costs at great expense. Many are doing OK with the current upswing but are not well prepared for another downturn.

A multi level house of cards.

Mr. Comprehension, do you have the average wage of a GM UAW worker or are you going to be satisfied with throwing out another irrelevant statistic?

March 2, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Drake said...

Rolando, it's not possible to put it any better than Thomas Sowell has. We are being taken apart by a liberal, elitist ruling class who has convinced saps, like those on this site, into believing they're smart and are for the average American. Obama appeals to the lazy, the class envy crowd and to those who feel like they're entitled. Obama has taken a dump on this country and he's rubbing our noses in it.

March 2, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Drake said...Rolando, it's not possible to put it any better than Thomas Sowell has. We are being taken apart by a liberal, elitist ruling class.

And just who, specifically, are the members of that "liberal, elitist ruling class"?

I agree that we are being taken apart by an "elite ruling class" and it is that class that owns our government. But, there are few, if any, liberals occupying offices on K Street. I'm not surprised that someone aligned with K Street would ascribe its worst faults to someone else. What does surprise me is that folks as smart as you choose to believe him.

March 2, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que said: "When you're paid to pander you pander and Slick doesn't usually disappoint."

Yes, Clinton can pander, but he’s not in the same league as the Republicans. Without a doubt, they are a sight to behold when it comes to pandering. Indeed, as David Brooks suggests they’ve been pandering so long they’ve become completely spineless:

"The wingers call their Republican opponents RINOs, or Republican In Name Only. But that’s an insult to the rhino, which is a tough, noble beast. If RINOs were like rhinos, they’d stand up to those who seek to destroy them. Actually, what the country needs is some real Rhino Republicans. But the professional Republicans never do that. They’re not rhinos. They’re Opossum Republicans. They tremble for a few seconds then slip into an involuntary coma every time they’re challenged aggressively from the right.

Without real opposition, the wingers go from strength to strength. Under their influence, we’ve had a primary campaign that isn’t really an argument about issues. It’s a series of heresy trials in which each of the candidates accuse the others of tribal impurity. Two kinds of candidates emerge from this process: first, those who are forceful but outside the mainstream; second, those who started out mainstream but look weak and unprincipled because they have spent so much time genuflecting before those who despise them."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/opinion/brooks-the-possum-republicans.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

March 2, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
rolando said...

Here is the latest regarding the qualification of The Obama to be our president. Need we say, "I told you so."?

The court case was buried/bought off but ole Sheriff Joe is a tougher bird...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/1/sheriff-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-forgery/

March 2, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
najones75 said...

Alprova, depends on your source. According to your peeps at media matters, the average is $55 an hour including benefits.

http://mediamatters.org/iphone/research/200902190002

Now, if $27 an hour or 57k a year...which is absurd...goes to benefits, maybe that's the reason GM needed bailing out? No, it was the greedy CEO, right? Not the fact that everyone is guaranteed $120k in salary and benefits?

March 2, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
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March 2, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Drake said: "It’s not possible to put it any better than Thomas Sowell has. . . . Obama appeals to the lazy, the class envy crowd and to those who feel like they're entitled."

Only according to arrogant, manipulative neo-con advocates - such as Thomas Sowell, Irving Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Michael Novak, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Ben Wattenberg, Joshua Muravchik, Frederick Kagan, and Richard Perle - who believe they’re the ones entitled to tell America and the rest of the whole wide world what to do.

March 2, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
timbo said...

blackwater48... Yes Bush was bad, but Obama doubled down. He is much worse. As far as the "wing nuts" go, as I recall it's righty tighty, lefty loosey....you and the rest of these pinkos are just left wing nuts. The first sign of mental illness is delusion. You all delude yourselves thinking that you are in the "main stream." Nothing could be farther from the truth. The right "wingnuts and teabaggers" as you say, think they are just as main stream as you are. The question is, who is right?

You are vastly underestimating the hatred for Obama and people like him by the right. Stirring up the base of the Republican party is the ONLY way we get rid of Obama. You have forgotten 2010 already. The "wingnuts and teabaggers" did a pretty good job kicking you pinko's collective asses didn't we?

As far as sprinting to the right, it has won over 70% of the congressional and precidency races over the last 25 years and it will work again this year. The right shows up when they are excited. Nothing makes them more excited than sending Obama back to Chicago.

You talk a good game to the amateurs on this page but by your comments you are strategically challenged. It is all about turning out your base. The independents went for Bush, then Obama, and then for the Republican congress. They are too fickle to count on.

Laugh it up while you can.

mountainlaurel...And for you writers that quote left-wing sources to prove your weak points, don't bother. They have no credibility to the people on the right. Make a practical, original point or keep quiet. Anything else is just left wing propaganda.

March 2, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: "And for you writers that quote left-wing sources to prove your weak points, don't bother. They have no credibility to the people on the right. Make a practical, original point or keep quiet. Anything else is just left wing propaganda."

But the post you appear to find offensive is a quote by Republican David Brooks, Timbo. As to your command that I keep quiet, please note that you're not the boss of me. If I want to post an interesting quote and/or an observation I shall do so. Having said this, I will give you another chance to read David Brooks's comments about spineless Republican panderers:

"The wingers call their Republican opponents RINOs, or Republican In Name Only. But that’s an insult to the rhino, which is a tough, noble beast. If RINOs were like rhinos, they’d stand up to those who seek to destroy them. Actually, what the country needs is some real Rhino Republicans. But the professional Republicans never do that. They’re not rhinos. They’re Opossum Republicans. They tremble for a few seconds then slip into an involuntary coma every time they’re challenged aggressively from the right.

Without real opposition, the wingers go from strength to strength. Under their influence, we’ve had a primary campaign that isn’t really an argument about issues. It’s a series of heresy trials in which each of the candidates accuse the others of tribal impurity. Two kinds of candidates emerge from this process: first, those who are forceful but outside the mainstream; second, those who started out mainstream but look weak and unprincipled because they have spent so much time genuflecting before those who despise them."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/opinion/brooks-the-possum-republicans.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

March 2, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tq - you do a excellent job of channeling All Coulter. Do you also have her good looks?

March 2, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga....your evidently too dumb to tell when anyone gets schooled. David Brooks is the darling republican of the left. He is no more a conservative than my German Shepard. Brooks is the propagandist for the Republican establishment. They hate the real right like the Tea Party more than you do. They lie and use conservatives of votes and then act like democrats. They want us to shut up and write a check.

The only people getting "schooled" is you pinkos. Try to have an original thought every once and awile.

March 2, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
Jemmy said...

The difference between a Union and a non-union job: a greater share of the wealth you create by your labor and expertise; a middle-class, family-sustaining wage that enables you to aspire to the American Dream for you and your children; health care and benefits that insulate you from the degradation and insecurity of poverty.

Why would any sane person wish the USA (except the greedy rich who, like Romney, make 6,000 dollars an hour by firing people) to race to the bottom and destroy our middle class by busting unions and replacing our middle class workers with desperate wage slaves?

March 2, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
rolando said...

[Chuckle]. Same-O, Same-O. Same S---, Different Owner.

The Obama quietly fires/lays off 1,500 workers -- undoubtedly the non-union ones, if such even exist in the Rust Belt.

[If anyone out there really thinks The Obama is not calling the shots in G-Motors, I have this Florida land on sale...]

http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/automobiles/213889-gm-halting-production-of-chevy-volt

March 2, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
rolando said...

Drake -- re: yr 10:51am posting.

Dr Walter E. Williams is another spot-on syndicated columnist to watch...his specialty is economics but he ties it into many things. Neither of these men hold anything back. The libtards here detest them both and try their best [without avail] to ridicule them and the truth they speak.

But then all libtards scurry away like rats when the light of truth hits them. Have you seen this one? http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/03/02/the_left_cant_stop_lying_about_the_birth_control_mandate

March 2, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
potcat said...

I did not have a problem with Obama bailing out GM, it was a good thing.

Wallstreet Criminals had a three page agreement form that they literally wrote up and made the rules or lack there of and was off and running. Their trillion $ Hiest and piles of cash came from us poor mucks "suckers", the American Taxpayer. Not a one in prison and here's the kick in the head, Obama has the very Criminals that caused the depression and we ain't out of it yet and they are running the damn Country. I have a BIG problem with that.

I got foodstamps when my children were little and i had to fill out and sign at least ten pappers. First thing Obama should have had done as soon as he walked in the WH door would be a swearing in of 10,000 Attorney Generals working around the clock and none of the good ole buddy system and Frog march their no ass to a Hard Labor camp for the rest of their lives and THE families HAVE got to give up the money,they can't keep one penny. That would be Justice.

March 2, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
rolando said...

So where, exactly, will all those Volt owners get the electricity to charge their car? Oh, that's right. The electricity magically appears in the wall plugs, doesn't it? Never mind.

When all those coal-fired power generating plants close down due to EPA regulation, electricity costs will soar. There is literally nothing to replace them.

Let's install wind turbines en masse atop Siggy Hill and The LookOut! Cut down all the trees to increase power output. Right next to each other on every level piece of land on the brow.

Yeah, right.

March 2, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.
rolando said...

I seriously doubt you pay any federal income tax, potcat, so what are you whining about? Your dole too small?

March 2, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.
rolando said...

And bean counters know how to best cook the books while "Doing A Little Side Step"...

March 2, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que said: "You and the RINO Brooks are right for a change. The Country Club RINO Republicans have no spines and that is why for decades they were run over by the Libtards. However in the eighties the Conservatives took control of the party . . The RINOs still haven’t accepted their subservient position to the Conservative rabble . . ."

If David Brooks is a representive of what you call the RINO Republicans so to speak, and if the Koch Brothers are representatives of the really truly superior conservative Republicans like you, who is a good representative for the rest of the Repubican Party? I’m curious.

March 2, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
alprova said...

najones75 wrote: "Alprova, depends on your source. According to your peeps at media matters, the average is $55 an hour including benefits."

Why is it that only when it comes to auto workers or union workers in general, that benefits are included as salary? Is the same formula applied to those who work for McDonald's? No.

Benefits cannot be spent by any worker to pay their bills.

March 2, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "I can see tedious and repetitive as that is why its classified as unskilled labor. However physical and fast paced skilled work I don't think so."

Who cares what you think? You've never done that kind of work, so you're hardly in a position to know much at all about it.

"Others have already set you straight on the wage B.S you were humping so no need for me to do so as well."

Nobody has set me straight about the average wage of a GM employee. As I stated, only when it comes to citing wages of union workers, are benefits counted as salary. It's false in the context of determining what an auto worker receives per hour to spend to pay his/her bills.

The average UAW employee receives $28.00 an hour in salary.

March 2, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
alprova said...

JohnRoss shared more of his ignorance with: "I am not afraid to use the word "bastard"."

No, I'm sure you aren't you hapless jerk.

"Over 30% of kids in America (70% of blacks) are bastards."

Jesus was a bastard child, if you want to just get right down to it. Way back when, and who knows when that was, all children were born out-of-wedlock.

It's amazing the crap that spews forth from your brain in pure ignorance.

March 2, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "The Obama quietly fires/lays off 1,500 workers -- undoubtedly the non-union ones, if such even exist in the Rust Belt."

But of course. The President did this, right?

"[If anyone out there really thinks The Obama is not calling the shots in G-Motors, I have this Florida land on sale...]"

You are without a doubt, the most delusional person who posts in this forum. It's not worth the trouble to debunk your crap.

March 2, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
hambone said...

I see it's that time of day when the TROLL takes over !

March 2, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "I’m sure they are elated to have The Obozo give them a gift of $40 to $70 billion dollars of other people’s money."

I hate to break it to you, but once "your" money is turned over to the Government, you have no say-so whatsoever what is done with it.

"After all it wasn’t the UAW and GM management that drove the American auto industry into the ditch so why should they be held accountable."

A matter of debate, but with people with a little intelligence.

"If the government had stayed out of the deal the negatives would have been … The stockholders would have lost most if not all of their investment (which they did) … the management would have taken it in the head (which most did) … the union would have lost their retirement and their contract (which they didn’t). Well … I guess we can see who made out on that deal."

Since you probably were not directly affected one way or the other, it's easy to see why you feel the way that you do.

"The American auto industry was not going to magically evaporate from the face of the Earth as Ford proved."

Ford wasn't as broke as they tried to claim, as it turned out. That didn't stop them from having their hands out for some cash initially, now did it?

"When the price was right then new investors would have purchased the trash that GM left behind and would have continued to operate it."

And just who were all the investors that would have stepped up to the plate?

"Of course the UAW wouldn’t be getting a $7000 bonus per person paid from tax funds as they would have to make a real profit instead of cooking the books."

Contrary to your misguided belief, the recent profits claimed are quite accurate.

March 2, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
hambone said...

Lush Limpbaugh (the male slut) calling women names is funny.

But what's really funny is the Lush coming BACK from the Dominican Republic with a pocket full of Viagra !

Couldn't get lucky with boys or girls !!

March 2, 2012 at 7:28 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "So your saying that Joseph and Mary were involved in a little pre-marital horse play."

Jesus is alleged in the Bible to be the Son of God, not the Son of Joseph. If the story is 100% accurate and to be taken literal as is written in the Bible, then Mary was impregnated outside of marriage and not by her husband.

"When the monthly didn't happen they told her parents that a sky angel did it."

Don't know. Wasn't there.

"That's a pretty bold thing to say with violent storms in the area.You might want to warn your neighbors about what you have done and tell them to seek shelter."

I don't have neighbors. I'm sitting smack dab in the middle of 28 acres.

"BTW ... When are you and atheist girl going to tell us the story about Joseph and Mary's donkey."

You know, that's been so long ago, I can't even recall what that was all about.

When are you going to answer MTJohn's question as to whether or not you resemble Ann Coulter? At the age of 50, and having never been in a relationship, due to her ugly demeanor, she is destined to be forever alone, as you are.

March 2, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Every business owner, almost without exception, considers insurance, payroll taxes, vacation, sick days, etc., etc.. as part of an employee’s compensation package."

Absolutely true, but outside of the context that you just mentioned, the salary portion of their compensation package is what is offered in response to the question of what one earns.

As I mentioned earlier, a McDonald's worker that makes $8.00 an hour might have a benefit package that costs the employer $3,000 per year. Divide that by 52 weeks and then by 20 hours per week, and you have about $2.88 an hour to add to their compensation package.

Not one McDonald's employee who makes $8.00 and hour, when asked, will tell you that they make $10.88 an hour.

"Every time my employees ask for an additional benefit I first determine if they have earned it and then I ask them if they want the benefit or an increase in salary. They usually take the jingle. When I write a check for their benefits you can $%#^ well figure that I consider it as payment for one of their bills that are due."

I'm going to let that lay right where you left it, and shake my head and laugh at the way you presented it.

You pay your "employees" bills through the payment of benefits.

March 2, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque "Now you are resorting to claims you have psy-chic powers. You Libtards are a non-stop laugh factory. Union Shop of course."

That's your response?

Have you or have you not ever worked on the production line in an auto manufacturing plant? Not?

Then how do you have the first second's inkling what it takes to do such a job? The fact is that you don't.

You've got a head full of opinions, but when it comes down to it, all you have to offer is the same kind of mindless crap that all anti-union people offer every time the subject of union jobs comes up.

March 2, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que said: “We welcome all that are "Right" on the issues especially if they bring beer and snacks.”

Are you telling us that there isn’t anyone representing the rest of the Republican Party? And it’s open to anyone who will bring beer and snacks? What about one of those neocons who were the architects of the Bush/Cheney administration? You won't get jobs, but what if they bring you beer and snacks? And what about Mitt Romoney? I doubt he will get you jobs, beer and snacks, but I'm certain he will cite some of his Michigan tree poetry for you. Will this do?

“I love this state," "The trees are the right height." [Mitt Romoney, MI, 2012]

“This feels good, being back in Michigan. You know, the trees are the right height." [Mitt Romoney, MI, 2012]

“I love being in Michigan,” “Everything seems right here. You know, I come back to Michigan; the trees are the right height. The grass is the right color for this time of year, Kind of a brownish-greenish sort of thing. It just feels right.” [Mitt Romoney, MI, November, 2011]

"What a thrill it is to come back to Michigan, particularly in the winter, where the skies are cloudy all day, trees are just at the right height, almost all the cars you see are American-made -- the way they ought to be," [Mitt Romoney, MI, 2008]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/mitt-romney-michigan-trees_n_1299937.html

March 2, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
rick1 said...

GM has halt production of the Volt and is laying off 1,300 employees. Of course GM blames the media. GM had no problem with the media when the media failed to report that GM and the Obama Administration were covering up the Volt fires for six months.

http://freebeacon.com/gm-halts-volt-production-blames-media/

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/12/chevrolet-volt-battery-issues-growing-safety-findings-may-have-been-suppressed.html

March 2, 2012 at 10:05 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Alprova said: “A McDonald's worker that makes $8.00 an hour might have a benefit package that costs the employer $3,000 per year. Divide that by 52 weeks and then by 20 hours per week, and you have about $2.88 an hour to add to their compensation package.

Great posts, Alprova. The arrogance of some of these Republicans who complain about the wages of middle class workers is really over the top, especially when they come from people supporting men like Mitt Romoney. What is it with these little selfish piglets?

I read that a minimum wage worker would have to work about 1,400 years to make as much money as a billionaire like Mitt Romoney.

“Mitt Romney brings in just over $20 million a year according to his most recent tax returns. . . Let’s try to put that amount of income in perspective by comparing it to the income earned by an average hourly wage employee.

. . . If Romney worked 40 hours a week for 50 weeks out of the year that would be 2,000 hours worked a year. $20 million divided by 2,000 comes out to $10,000 an hour. To make as much as Mitt Romney received, a person would need an hourly wage job that paid $10,000 an hour.

For comparison the minimum wage in America is $7.25 an hour. If you were making minimum wage working 2000 hours a year, to earn as much as Romney did last year you would need to work for about 1,400 years.”

http://elections.firedoglake.com/2012/01/25/mitt-romneys-incredible-wealth-in-perspective/

March 2, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 wrote: "GM had no problem with the media when the media failed to report that GM and the Obama Administration were covering up the Volt fires for six months."

What was there to cover up? three cars, and I do mean three cars, caught fire after GM internal crash testings.

Do you wonderfully bright people think that GM was supposed to alert the media over three stinking fires following crash tests?

And of course, it just has to be that the Obama Administration is knee deep in conspiring to cover up one fire, because someone wrote it and posted it on the internet. Oh, and a couple of Republican lawmakers expressed their opinions that GM should have alerted the media while the problem was being investigated.

Or could it be that there was never at any time, and conspiracy at all, and rather that there was an internal GM investigation to study the causes of the issue, as is normal testing procedure for all automobile manufacturers?

You don't alert the public to a problem until the problem has been thoroughly investigated, and a solution to it apparent.

Not one Chevrolet Volt owned by the public has so much as thrown a spark.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/21/us-gm-volt-idUSTRE80J20X20120121

March 2, 2012 at 10:30 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you have an excuse for anything that may make Obama look bad. GThe government still owns 26% of GM, the NHTSA is a Government Agency and Obama wants the Volt to be successful at any cost. If you don't think there was a cover up or even the possibility of a cover up because of very weak sales then you are intoxicated on the Obama kool aid.

Obama wants th Volt to succeed aqt all costs. Last month Obama wanted to boost government subsidies for wealthy buyers of the Volt and other new technology vehicles up to $10,000 per buyer.(In a 12/16/11 interview GM CEO Dan Akerson said the average income of Volt buyer's is $170,000 per year) Reports state this subsidy would cost taxpayers $100 million per year, based on 10,000 new technology vehicles being sold each year, and Obama wants 1 million new technology vehicles including the Volt on the road by 2015. So, yeah, I can see Obama, NTHSA and GM covering up any news that would be negative to the Volt.

Obama’s double standard on subsidies for the rich is a joke. He says it's unfair to have lower tax rates for investments, including venture capital, which creates jobs, but it is fair to give tax credits to people making $170,000 per year to buy a piece of junk.

March 2, 2012 at 11:25 p.m.
acerigger said...

Dammit Al,, there you go,spouting FACTS all over the place again!(lol)

March 2, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

ANOTHER ECONOMICS LESSON

Since the American economy is getting stronger, Wall Street is back, and unemployment numbers continue to fall, conservatives are desperately seeking new targets in their perpetual attack on President Obama.

But why attack the Chevy Volt? Do any of you nitwits have any idea of what you're talking about?

There was press release from GM around Thanksgiving announcing that the Volt would not hit the sales goal of 10,000 units by the end of December 2011. GM did not express concern.

Demand for Volts was strong but GM couldn't supply enough cars because the factory shut down last summer to retool and increase productivity.

Increased capacity was needed because the Volt is going on sale in Europe and Asia.

March 3, 2012 at 12:46 a.m.
shifarobe said...

I just read that production of that piece of &^%# chevy volt has been halted and 1300 workers have been layed off. obuttface blames the media. What a d*&k. Congrats to Rush Limbaugh for blasting that skanky ho law student whining because she can't afford to buy all the protection she needs to keep up with her voracious appetite for getting banged at school. I bet her mom and dad are proud. Poor baby. How about closing your legs more and you might save some money.

March 3, 2012 at 1:09 a.m.
shifarobe said...

Obuttface is comparing himself to Ghandi now. Obuttface isn't even worthy to lick the soles of Ghandi's sandles

March 3, 2012 at 1:21 a.m.
shifarobe said...

Since I'm on a roll I might as well point out something else. Oballoonhead's Secretary of Transportation said the administration is ok with $5.00 gas. %$#@ THEM. What punks. I guess his royal hind quarter can afford it but what about the rest of us? Now, for you lefty chimps on here, that's what you call OUT OF TOUCH!

March 3, 2012 at 1:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

Q: How many owned a late model GM car before the structured bankruptcy and how many own a GM car bought since the bankruptcy.

Q: Why not buy GM stock and when it goes up those supporting the GM can use the profits on the stock to buy a GM auto.

The best time to sell GM stock or an airlines stock is anytime the stock market is open.

An interesting statistic would be how many of those praising the loan resulting in the government owning significant stock in GM drive an import.

March 3, 2012 at 3:47 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, you have an excuse for anything that may make Obama look bad."

Well apparently, you like reaching for straws of grass when it comes to blaming President Obama for everything.

"The government still owns 26% of GM, the NHTSA is a Government Agency and Obama wants the Volt to be successful at any cost."

The Chevy Volt is a product of GM. Being a President who is for alternative energy products is one thing. A President attempting to cover up a problem with such a product is something else.

You people give a man who burst in on the Federal Governmental scene three years ago way too much credit. You actually think that all the people working for the Federal Government in positions of oversight are just going to wrap themselves around the President's little finger?

"Last month Obama wanted to boost government subsidies for wealthy buyers of the Volt and other new technology vehicles up to $10,000 per buyer. (snipped) So, yeah, I can see Obama, NTHSA and GM covering up any news that would be negative to the Volt."

Again, you give the man too much credit. Do you really think that the man is so powerful to silence and to cover up an issue that could be potentially presumed to be a danger to humans?

After the investigation had run its course, the Volt was deemed quite safe, with a little amendment being made to the car to protect the batteries from a side impact. No big deal at all.

"Obama’s double standard on subsidies for the rich is a joke. He says it's unfair to have lower tax rates for investments, including venture capital, which creates jobs, but it is fair to give tax credits to people making $170,000 per year to buy a piece of junk."

You can call it junk if you wish. That is merely your personal opinion. The problem with Americans is they talk a good game, but they refuse to play. The more money one has, the more they are willing to keep on paying for gas to ferry themselves around.

The rich and conservatives as respective groups are not interested in alternative energy...period.

March 3, 2012 at 4:02 a.m.
alprova said...

shifarobe wrote: "I just read that production of that piece of &^%# chevy volt has been halted and 1300 workers have been layed off."

Had you read a little further, depending on how honest the writer of the article you read was, you might have discovered that the lay-offs are only going to be for a matter of weeks, until sales catch up with production. That is nothing new or unexpected in the automotive industry, when it comes to a low demand product.

"Congrats to Rush Limbaugh for blasting that skanky ho law student whining because she can't afford to buy all the protection she needs to keep up with her voracious appetite for getting banged at school. I bet her mom and dad are proud. Poor baby. How about closing your legs more and you might save some money."

Wow. I'll bet your mom would be proud of your choice of words to describe a woman you have never met, and know nothing about.

Birth control or abortions? Seems to me to be an easy choice, but then, when do conservatives with an agenda ever make any sense?

March 3, 2012 at 4:12 a.m.
alprova said...

shifarobe wrote: "Since I'm on a roll I might as well point out something else."

By all means, please expose your intense ignorance.

"Oballoonhead's Secretary of Transportation said the administration is ok with $5.00 gas. %$#@ THEM. What punks."

First of all, the man's name is Steven Chu, and his official position is that of the nation's Energy Secretary.

Words he spoke before he became the Energy Secretary have been distorted by the likes of Newt Gingrich as a plank in his desperate campaign attempt to gain votes.

The right has been seizing on words that he spoke in 2008, when he was director of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." He supported gradually increasing gasoline taxes over 15 years to coax consumers into buying more efficient cars.

Of course, those remarks don't sit well with people who have no intention at all in using less energy than they do today. But the man had a point. At what price will the American people begin to convert to modes of transportation that use less gas?

It's got to start somewhere and at sometime, and so far, not many people are doing their part to save gas. What is it going to take for people to make SUV's relics and the V-8 engine totally obsolete?

March 3, 2012 at 4:28 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al, I noticed you didn't respond to my comment Obama's double standaard for subsidies on the rich.

Al said You people give a man who burst in on the Federal Governmental scene three years ago way too much credit. You actually think that all the people working for the Federal Government in positions of oversight are just going to wrap themselves around the President's little finger?

Seeing how the Obama Administration administration has launched attacks unparalleled since the McCarthy years on those who blow the whistle against corruption inside the federal government. http://blackagendareport.com/content/obama-shoots-messengers-attacks-whistleblowers

Yes ,they will wrap themselves around Obama's little finger when they see what will happen if they speak out

March 3, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
shifarobe said...

Listen, cerberus you can sit here all day like you always do and defend Ochickenbrain all you want, he's still what he is, nothing but an out of touch pea brain who loves doing stuff to us. I stand by my remarks of that skanky ho law student who just can't seem to get enough birth control to keep up with her sexual appetite BOO HOO HOOO. There you have the Democratic Party's version of Joan of Arc. It is what it is, man. What is the tuition at Georgetown? I'd say something like 50k a year. Hit the books, ho, and close your legs. Another feminist icon!

March 3, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
timbo said...

nooga.......Is your name nooga because you're too stupid to spell chattanoga ? Your post just proved conservative points..

March 3, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
conservative said...

Here the cartoonist reveals his hypocrisy. He would rail against any "corporation" for having an all white workforce yet in his world all the employees are white! He would applaud heavy fines by OSHA on corporations for workplace safety violations yet note the violations in his world - no safety glasses or goggles, open drawers, air hose lying in path of walking workers and no means to stop car from running over Obamination worshipper! Note the strong resemblance to the Yugo, would he drive anything that small? The cartoon also shows us how many women would work in his car company.

I guess the rules are different for Lieberals.

March 3, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
acerigger said...

JonRoss said..."On the other hand, the Progressive drive to kill babies has resulted in 16 MILLION fewer black babies. I am sure Pelosi and Planned Parenthood are thrilled over that fact. It is a holocaust like number that CNN and NPR totally ignore. Wonder why ?

That would probably be because they're smart enough to know that a woman's right to choose is NONE of their business!

March 3, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
acerigger said...

Which is it,15million or 16million?

March 3, 2012 at 11:18 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss said: "Despite his so called education Obama is kinda like a savant. Brilliant in his slavishness to Marxism and totally absorbed in his hate for people of faith. But totally totally ignorant of economics and what has made America special."

You’re a very confused fellow, JonRoss. It’s Republicans like Rick Santorum who have expressed their contempt for people of faith, most notably people of the Protestant faith. And for the record, America wasn’t made great as Republicans like Mitt Romoney and Rick Santorum would have us believe by pampering it’s weathiest 1%.

March 3, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
timbo said...

nooga...Make some kind of point you dolt. Can you give us some of you socialist wisdom, read from the latest Obama campaign materials, ....do something different. Okay, everybody, big bad noogies can insult but is he capable of anything else?

March 3, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

It seems to me that the lefties are much nastier than the righties. (and they're SO smart!) Speaking from the middle.

March 3, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss said: “The Progressive establishment has for fifty years convinced the black community that they can't even to to the toilet without the help of the Dems.”

I just recently saw a great film called "The Help," which touches on the subject of toilets. Prior to Democrat President Lyndon B Johnson and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, members of the black community were not allowed to use certain public accommodations - including toilets - because they were reserved for white only. Did you know this, JR?

March 3, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
hambone said...

Too Qute, Jr, con-man, tinny tim and the furniture.

It's the weekend and they all are in the sauce early, slurring their insults.

March 3, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
hambone said...

Yes, the Trolls are out trying to justify their pathtic little lives with their B.S. !

March 3, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss said: "Before the LBJ's Great Society black Americans were just like any other Americans."

I think the rosy picture you just painted exists only in your mind, JonRoss. It only takes a quick visit to Wikipedia to find out that a lot of people in the black community felt something was deeply wrong and were not happy with the rosy status quo that you've painted. Indeed, it’s clear a lot of people did not feel they were just like any other American. I suppose we can start with the concerns and incidents involving people much like these:

Claudette Colvin: - (a fifteen year old African American Girl) refuses to give up her seat on a bus in Montgomery, Alabama, to a white woman after the driver demands it. She is carried off the bus backwards whilst being kicked and handcuffed and harassed on the way to the police station.

Emmett Till a 14 year old African America boy is murdered in Money, Mississipit after reportedly flirting with a white woman.

Rosa Parks is arrested for refusing to give up her seat on a bus to a white person, and the national civil rights movement begins.

Dr. Martin Luther King and other black minister coordinate a boycott of city buses, and form the Montgomery Improvement Association in Montgomery, Alabama.

March 3, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que said: "I thought you Libards where always humping the meme that this was an evil and corrupt country. I guess for this post it just didn't agree with the inane talking point that you wanted to convey. BTW ... Capitalism made this country economically great and provided the high standard of living that you enjoy but are not appreciative."

As usual, you’re appear to be confused, particularly when it comes to your limited understanding of capitalism. As for corruption, the issue is about the widespread corruption within certain segments of America society – the rest of America is OK. In most cases, it’s the same segment of our society that has been showered with financial blessings from our legislators in Washington D.C. – the segment that Warren Buffet addressed in his commentary:

“OUR leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched.

While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.

These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places. . .

. . . My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&pagewanted=print

March 3, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que said: "I bet your mom regularly bought a candy bar for you and your brother to share. . . Remember that this is only an analogy and the details may vary accord to your particular dysfunctional life story."

Your analogy is rather humorous when it’s placed alongside your ongoing chronic complaints about the wages and benefits of an auto worker, Tutu. What sort of capitalist goes into tantrums over another man’s wages and benefits? Why is it your business?

March 3, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
rick1 said...

Tu, notice the media or the left ever mentions the tax rate Buffet pays. The BBC reports Buffets 2010 tax return show he paid 6.9 million on taxable income of $40 million. That is 17.4% about half the rate paid by many Americans on more modest incomes. I'm still waiting for Buffet to write a check and pay more if he feels he does not pay enough. Doesn't he have a moral ob ligation to do this?

I also notice the media and the left do not talk about Buffet's company Berkshire Hathaway, has been fighting with the IRS since 2002 on a $1 billion in taxes owed to the government.

Of course according to hambone, this is just BS.

March 3, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rick1 said: " I'm still waiting for Buffet to write a check and pay more if he feels he does not pay enough."

As billionaires go, since Warren Buffet is urging Congress to take steps to assure that the billionaire sector is paying their fair share of taxes for a change, I believe he deserves some respect here – unlike some of the others billionaires like Mitt Romoney.

Indeed, the entitlement mentality of a puffed-up feathered peacock like Mitt Romoney is a sight to behold as he accuses Americans of being jealous of his wealth while simultaneously ranting about average workers wanting a decent wage for their work efforts.

March 3, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.
hambone said...

Too bad Too Qute you don't get paid for what you think you know.

You would make Warren and Mitt look like paupers!

March 3, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Obama Is the shepherd I did not want. He leadeth me Beside the still factories.

He restoreth my faith in the Republican party. He guideth me in the path of unemployment For his party's sake.

Yea, Though I walk through the valley of the bread line, I shall fear no hunger, for his bailouts are with me.

He has Anointed my income with taxes, My expenses runneth over.

Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life, And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.

I'm glad I am American, I am glad that I am free,

But I wish I was a dog, And Obama was a tree

March 3, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
rick1 said...

mtl, if Warren Buffet felt as strongly as he says he does, why doesn't he voluntarily give more money to the IRS. They would gladly accept it.

Mtl. why aren't you calling Buffet's company, Berkshire Hathaway greedy for not paying the IRS taxes $1 billion in taxes it has owed since 2002?

March 3, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
hambone said...

I've worked in Wisconsin. I know there are some very good , smart people in Wisconsin.

So BobMKE, you must be a F.I.B. !

March 3, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

rick1 said: "mtl, if Warren Buffet felt as strongly as he says he does, why doesn't he voluntarily give more money to the IRS. They would gladly accept it."

Your concern only deflects from the critical issue, Rick1. But please feel free to bring your concern to Buffett’s attention. Meanwhile, I will be focusing on the more important issue:

“For the very richest Americans, low tax rates on capital gains are better than any Christmas gift. . . this is one reason the gap between the wealthy and the rest of the country is widening dramatically. The rates on capital gains — which include profits from the sale of stocks, bonds and real estate — should be a key point in negotiations over how to shrink the budget deficit, some lawmakers say. . .

Most Americans depend on wages and salaries for their income, which is subject to a graduated tax so the big earners pay higher percentages. The capital gains tax turns that idea on its head, capping the rate at 15 percent for long-term investments. As a result, anyone making more than $34,500 a year in wages and salary is taxed at a higher rate than a billionaire is taxed on untold millions in capital gains.”

“While it’s true that many middle-class Americans own stocks or bonds, they tend to stash them in tax-sheltered retirement accounts, where the capital gains rate does not apply. By contrast, the richest Americans reap huge benefits. Over the past 20 years, more than 80 percent of the capital gains income realized in the United States has gone to 5 percent of the people; about half of all the capital gains have gone to the wealthiest 0.1 percent.”

“The way you get rich in this world is not by working hard,” said Marty Sullivan, an economist and a contributing editor to Tax Analysts. “It’s by owning large amounts of assets and having those things appreciate in value.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/capital-gains-tax-rates-benefiting-wealthy-are-protected-by-both-parties/2011/09/06/gIQAdJmSLK_story.html

March 3, 2012 at 4:39 p.m.
rick1 said...

mtl, it appears you are deflecting my question. Why are you not concerned that Berkshire Hathaway has been contesting $1 billion the IRS says it owes for 10 years? Why don't you feel they are greedy? If this was a compnay owned by a conservative you would be outraged. Sound like a double standard.

As far as Captial gains taxes are concerned, take a look at what happened in 1997 when Clinton cut the Captial gains taxes, the economy took off. Prior to that, in 1993 Clinton had enacted one of the highest income tax rates in history and the economy did not take off like Clinton said it would.

March 3, 2012 at 5:22 p.m.
Jemmy said...

JonRoss, As a deluded class warrior, you have a big problem with the American working class making a living wage, proportionate to the wealth their labor creates. This has nothing to do with Obama dictating anything from the top down. As history shows, the working man's and union movement arose from the bottom up, and demanded such things as that when they died in the coal mines, they would not be tossed aside like a piece of garbage while the accumulation of capital for the heartless rich continued. Workmen's comp, decent wages, etc., were not given to us by our "betters" but were won through the struggles of working Americans. It is time to remember where we came from and reject the war of the rich against the rest of us.

March 3, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU KNOW IT'S A TOUGH SELL WHEN...

The only response right wing nuts and tea baggers can muster is 'our hair is on fire' and 'this glass of water is only half full' baloney. Seriously, guys, relax and take a deep breath. I admire your emotional commitment but a few of you are dangerously close to the cliff.

Love the complaints about GM becoming the leading car maker in the world again and posting record profits. It's simultaneously hilarious and tragic to witness all of your whining and complaining. But I feel your pain: with the economy improving the only chance your party has in November is to keep chumming the waters with fear.

Just for a moment I'd like you all to take a breath and tell us what you are FOR. If Obama's policies are bad, what republican policies would be better?

Feel free to use facts.

March 3, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "UAW 371 Chrysler New Castle,Indiana" "IBEW 760 Atomic Energy Commision/Union Carbide Oak Ridge Tennessee"

"Then I matured to a better ideology and career. You should try it."

You're full of crap. There is no way that you've ever worked a union job. I doubt very much that anyone who frequents this forum will ever swallow that you have.

You just added "pathological liar" to your extensively falsified resume.

I'm eternally through responding to a thing you post.

March 3, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
alprova said...

JohnRoss wrote: "I am for the imprisonment of Barack Hussien Obama. He stole 25 billion dollars from me and flushed it down the UAW toilet."

Well now...as a man who appears to be claiming to have paid $25 billion dollars to the government, who feels as if every penny of it was "stolen" from you personally, I'm sure you will have no trouble at all in getting the President put in jail for such an offense.

Could you be any more pathetic or would you care to reduce the amount that you claim was stolen from you?

March 3, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

SILENCE IS GOLDEN

All I asked for was a reason to vote a republican into the White House this November. I was hoping for a few well thought out GOP policy initiatives on economics, foreign policy, and immigration for instance.

I would have been tickled with one. With all of the right wing nuts and tea baggers banging their little fingers bloody with vile contempt and outrage, you think one of them could have provided the rest of us with one reason - good or otherwise - to vote republican.

I asked. The answer?

Crickets.

March 3, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
hambone said...

Al, Too Qute is like Mitt Romney. They say he has a authenticity problem.

That's a polite way of saying he's a PHONEY S.O.B.

March 3, 2012 at 8:13 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY AL?

callin her a lier is right up there w/ngadad callin jonross a felon!!

you have no idea what she has done!

personaly i have my doubts that you have the mental capacity to pass the c.p.a. exam!!GET CIVIL!

March 3, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_mescent said... "I felt cheated that others were feeding off my effort no matter how smart or hard I worked while they loafed."

LOL! How are we getting along without you? Feeding off your effort?! Does radiation sickness cause delusions of grandeur? Tell us, just how smart can you work? Did you set, like, a record for work smartness? Pass the iodine, the isotopes are getting deep up in here!

March 3, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.
hambone said...

Yep ! He has a authenticity problem.

His resume is as phoney as a three dollar bill !!

March 3, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rick1 said: “mtl, it appears you are deflecting my question. Why are you not concerned that Berkshire Hathaway has been contesting $1 billion the IRS says it owes for 10 years? . . . If this was a company owned by a conservative you would be outraged. Sound like a double standard."

As I recall, you brought up Berkshire Hathaway in an effort to deflect from the issue involving billionaires and the special tax rate that our politicians have granted to this sector when it comes their personal income taxes. In fact, you are still ignoring the issue that Buffet was addressing in his commentary. Why so, Rick1? As it stands now, some 1,400 millionaires paid no personal income taxes whatsoever in 2009, according to the Internal Revenue Service.

In regard to taxes of corporations and companies like Berkshire Hathaway, I firmly believe all corporations and companies should pay their taxes in a timely manner, Rick1. I also believe there is a need to overhaul the corporate tax code, especially when it comes to loopholes. The way it stands now many of these corporations are hardly paying any taxes at all due to special loopholes set up for them by their favorite lawmakers:

“The Carnival Corporation wouldn’t have much of a business without help from various branches of the government. The United States Coast Guard keeps the seas safe for Carnival’s cruise ships. Customs officers make it possible for Carnival cruises to travel to other countries. State and local governments have built roads and bridges leading up to the ports where Carnival’s ships dock.

But Carnival’s biggest government benefit of all may be the price it pays for many of those services. Over the last five years, the company has paid total corporate taxes — federal, state, local and foreign — equal to only 1.1 percent of its cumulative $11.3 billion in profits. Thanks to an obscure loophole in the tax code, Carnival can legally avoid most taxes.

Over the last five years . . . Boeing paid a total tax rate of just 4.5 percent, according to Capital IQ. Southwest Airlines paid 6.3 percent. And the list goes on: Yahoo paid 7 percent; Prudential Financial, 7.6 percent; General Electric, 14.3 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/business/economy/02leonhardt.html?_r=1&ref=davidleonhardt

March 3, 2012 at 11:02 p.m.
rolando said...

tu-quoque, you have a bit of an evil streak in you. Now you know Alpo will not be able to resist replying to your last post regardless of his claims to ignore you.

He has told me the same thing many times, yet he continues to make his little remarks. LMAO.

March 3, 2012 at 11:05 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss said: The Progressives/Dems destroyed that family structure to make slaves, once again, of the black citizens. Progressives/Dems MUST keep blacks poor and bastardized to keep control of them.”

As it stands, your post doesn’t make any sense to me, JonRoss. Perhaps, you will be good enough to provide a link for the research data that validates your claim. From a family structure perspective, I haven’t noted any difference among the various ethnic groups that I know and work with through my church, employment, and community volunteer activities. They’re married, have children, and are coping with life’s everyday problems just like everyone else.

March 3, 2012 at 11:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss said: "Everyone, read this over and over until you fully understand what mountainlaurel says. And you will understand why Barack Hussien Obama and the Progressives must be defeated in November, and forever after. Mountain is either grossly ignorant or a propagandist of obamist proportions."

Your response suggests that you cannot back up your claim that the 1964 Civil Rights Act and LBJ’s Great Society programs caused a dramatic shift in the marriage statistics among black families, but this does not comes as any big surprise. In regard to your comment about my reasons for asking you to back up your claim, I was simply curious to see the research data supporting such a claim. I say this because a lot of events and changes were occurring during this era, including the Vietnam War. Clearly, the Vietnam War had a dramatic social impact on our society in a variety of ways. From the studies that I’ve read, a great number of these returning veterans struggled with issues of mental, emotional, and physical illesses. Needless to say, they also had to struggle to obtain the medical and psychological treatment they deserved. Some continue to struggle even today. In fact, nearly half of the homeless veterans that we see today served during the Vietnam War era. Clearly, the difficulties that these veterans were/are experiencing must have had a negative impact on their families.

March 4, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Boy, did I miss THIS in the news over the weekend.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

It looks like obama is claiming authority to take control of just about everything in the name of “preparedness”. Hold on to your seats everyone!

March 19, 2012 at 10 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Oh yes, and Bennett "The Wart" IS a mindless partisan.

March 19, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
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