published Saturday, March 17th, 2012

The Exam

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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BigRidgePatriot said...

Another sorry distraction from The Wart.

March 17, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The pathetic demokrat puppet.

March 17, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Champion of the non-issue.

March 17, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
acerigger said...

Another sorry distraction from the "right" is what you should be saying.

March 17, 2012 at 12:19 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The intellectual midget.

March 17, 2012 at 12:19 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The putz of the left.

March 17, 2012 at 12:22 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Another "crisis" created by the "progressives".

March 17, 2012 at 12:25 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So boring.

March 17, 2012 at 12:26 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So predictable.

March 17, 2012 at 12:27 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Vapid comes to mind.

March 17, 2012 at 12:28 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Useless carbuncle.

March 17, 2012 at 12:34 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

A mental venereal disease.

March 17, 2012 at 12:47 a.m.

Couldn't possibly say it any better, BRP. What an obvious attempt to distract from Obama.

March 17, 2012 at 12:59 a.m.
David_Franks said...

I've noticed that without fail, people whose user names contain the word "patriot" are almost entirely ignorant of the subject at hand and fundamentally lacking in understanding of proper discussion and argumentation. It's ironic, given the fact that their Founding Father heroes-- actual patriots-- were literate and articulate.

March 17, 2012 at 1:33 a.m.

David, that's a stupid comment and quite a generalization BRP is right on about Obama and Clay Bennett.

I wonder how the Founding Fathers, who were actual patriots, would feel about Obama's disrespect for our Constitution?

March 17, 2012 at 2:34 a.m.

I just read that Cee Lo Green, that worthless piece of trash rapper, sang his classic "song", f*** you, at the Obama fundraiser in Atlanta. I'd say the Founding Fathers, who were literate and articulate, would wonder how did this come to be. You see, David, Cee Lo Green's "song" sums up Obama's attitude toward our country and our Constitution.

March 17, 2012 at 2:40 a.m.
alprova said...

"David, that's a stupid comment and quite a generalization BRP is right on about Obama and Clay Bennett."

His comment was spot-on, in my opinion. BRP offers nothing but distractions and very little in terms of substance whenever he posts.

Take for instance his eleven posts offered in this thread. Need I write more?

Until either one of you two geniuses sets up a forum of your own, and until you choose the subject matter discussed, I guess you're both doomed to whine the rest of your pathetic lives about what other people do in regard to failing to discuss subjects that either one of you feel are more important.

"I wonder how the Founding Fathers, who were actual patriots, would feel about Obama's disrespect for our Constitution?"

Please be more specific in your charge. Exactly how has the President "disrespected" the Constitution?

I read that crap all the time, but nobody to date has proven that the President has done one thing in violation of the U.S. Constitution, much less disrespected it.

And for the record, people said the same thing when GWB, Clinton, GHWB, and Reagan were in office too. If they disagreed with it, it was in violation of the Constitution...

Critics of the man who holds the office as President are nothing new. What is new however, is the depth below the surface that some people will go in order to offer their criticism.

March 17, 2012 at 2:56 a.m.

Go to bed, Alprova. The vigil you keep on here in defense of a Obama is getting tiresome. We know you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, yadayadayada. It doesn't matter what you say on here, his record will be the factor in November. You're powerless. Tell me, do you use your laptop in the John a lot? You would have to be on here as much as you are.

March 17, 2012 at 3:10 a.m.
alprova said...

"Go to bed, Alprova."

The last time I checked, you are not one of my parents. Pardon me if I stay up a little longer, 'cause I want to.

"The vigil you keep on here in defense of a Obama is getting tiresome. We know you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, yadayadayada."

Okay then. I take it that you're another in a long line of folks who cannot back up any claim that the President has been guilty of "disrespecting" or violating the Constitution. Typical.

"It doesn't matter what you say on here, his record will be the factor in November."

Yes it will, and you can look forward to learning more about that record when his re-election campaign gears up, once his esteemed opponent has been established.

"You're powerless."

I've never claimed otherwise. I'm one person of more than 315,000,000 people who live in this nation...nothing more, nothing less. I am however, better informed than some, like you for instance.

"Tell me, do you use your laptop in the John a lot? You would have to be on here as much as you are."

I don't own a laptop. I own several desktop computers, but none of them are in any of my restrooms. Sorry.

March 17, 2012 at 3:33 a.m.
joneses said...

Will you stupid disgusting liberals keep being hung up on contraception? It actually is helping rid this country of this POS you call a president because people are really getting tired of this crap. Very few people care about this but they do care about the 6 trillion dollars of debt amassed by this pathetic fool you have as president. Gitmo still being open, Obama bowing to our enemies, Obama's attack on religion, Obama apologizing to our enemies after they kill our soldiers, Obama continuing to negotiate with our enemies from a position of weakness, Obamas making the oil companies rich with is unwillingness to do something about the high cost of gas, Obama's continued high unemployment rate, Obama's hate speeches, Obama's massive expansion of government, Obamas destroying of the middle class, Obama not pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama's lowering of Americas' credit rating, Obama destroying the best health care system in America. And there are many other failures.

March 17, 2012 at 4:14 a.m.
GAIntrigue said...

This is a non-issue as long as you are a man who can go on having sex for the rest of his life to the point the physical exertion could become life threatening thanks to the likes of medicines such as Viagra and Cialis. Heaven forbid a woman take birth control to prevent an unwanted pregnancy let alone take birth control for the treatment of any number of other serious health conditions.

This would be non-issue if the right had left it alone in the first place.

March 17, 2012 at 6:34 a.m.
BluesHarp said...

Nothing illustrates ignorant thuggery like the reaction from illustrating ignorant thuggery.

March 17, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
EaTn said...

BRP, joneses, chat. ....thanks for reminding us of the right-wing tactic of the old saying that " if you can't impress them with brilliance, shout them down with bull s#!+".

March 17, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Is this cartoon aligned with the BOGUS "war on women"?

March 17, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennies wrote: "Is this cartoon aligned with the BOGUS "war on women"?"

Which is more bogus, the war on women or the charge that the President is engaged in a war on religion?

In the words of Sylvester Stallone A.K.A. John Rambo, "They drew first blood."

March 17, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
conservative said...

Cartoons are make believe!

In the real world Demoncrats LOST 6 Senate seats, Demoncrats LOST over 60 Congressional seats, Demoncrats LOST 6 governorships, and Demoncrats LOST 680 seats in state legislatures.

Demoncrat's LOSSES were America's gains!

March 17, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Thanks, Alprova, GAIntrigue, EaTn, and BluesHarp for reminding us that rational people also respond on these sites. The rabid ranters of the radical right reflect the proud-to-be-ignorant hatred that now spews from much of the Republican party. I usually avoid posting because they make this environment so toxic. But, thanks for continuing to carry the flag of facts, freedom, and fidelity to what America really stands for.

March 17, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alprova: Both are bogus. At least I'll admit it.

March 17, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.

"Charter of negative liberties" -OBAMA in an interview in 2001. That's what he called the Constitution. He thinks it should be a vehicle for redistribution of wealth. The interview was on WIND radio. He was a State Senator at the time. His health insurance mandate falls right into line with that. He's a flame throwing radical and he hasn't changed a bit.

March 17, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al, said Please be more specific in your charge. Exactly how has the President "disrespected" the Constitution?

Here is one example of how Obama has "disrected" the Constitution.

President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations. That is, Interpol’s property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.

Before you question Andrew McCarthy's back ground, he is a former Assistant United States Attorney.

March 17, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
EaTn said...

Chat...said "OBAMA in an interview in 2001. That's what he called the Constitution. He thinks it should be a vehicle for redistribution of wealth.

Fact. Most all government tax and spend policies result in a redistribution of wealth; whether to the poor, middle class or wealthy. Our decisions at the voting booth are what directs this redistribution.

March 17, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

The GOP is obsessed with everybody's sex life. They tried to run on a lie of limited government, but as soon as they won Congress, they took a 180 ° turn and went right into a women's right to privacy and reproductive health. In Tennessee, our state legislators have gone all crazy with their obsession on gays and transgendered people. What is with these perverts? They were elected to govern not act as amateur gynecologists. Disgusting and perverted.

March 17, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
MTJohn said...

sandyonsignal said...

The GOP is obsessed with everybody's sex life.

Gary Trudeau gets it:

March 17, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
rolando said...

Well, I examined the cartoon closely. Bennett's always-there GOP initials or symbol or both are always there somewhere. That's how he earns the TFP big-bucks. Darned if I can find them on this one. Clay is wandering off the Soros path. Or is it because he is getting too badly criticized, too pussified, or the TFP is beginning to worry...

I'm sure there are many cartoons/articles spread throughout the blogosphere that will prove more entertaining and balanced.

No matter how Bennett, alpo, and bulbs try to spin it, remember it is the Dems who support genocide...through their hand-maiden Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood.

March 17, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Hilarious to watch BRP's brain bubble and squeak at the start of these comments. Did it really take you 13 minutes to roll out that mental VD remark, brp? Where is my gold, coward?

March 17, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alprova takes things too seriously. And he's about 75% as smart as he thinks he is.

March 17, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Exactly, sandy. Prurient, scaly old men. The kind that hug their waitresses (or waiters) around the waist in restaurants, then go crack the puritan whip regarding everyone else.

March 17, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
NGAdad said...

Hello Tu-stupid, when you play dirty in the State you will lose federal funding. Do you expect the money to be redirected to sham operations suddenly springing up from right wing crony groups that are 'faith based' or something? Duhhhhh

rola'dodo... I think I found it; two overweight balding bullies, isolated victim deprived of freedom presumed guilty, and no sense of fairness. Yep, it's that old right wing - "We won an election, now watch us jam our beliefs down their throats with government mandates." Ohhhhh the irony in that!

March 17, 2012 at 11:11 a.m.

No, the Democratic Party is obsessed with what everyone is doing. They want everyone to adopt their values or ELSE, even if it means trashing the Constitution.

I don't know about anyone else, but I sure wouldn't take an oath to defend the Constitution, if I thought it was a "charter of negative liberties". Obama is an obvious fraud and simply an opportunist who wants to turn this country upside down. He wants to use health insurance as a means to pry into church matters, whittle away indivdual liberties and force us what to buy things. He's as transparent as it gets.

It's amusing to see you goose steppers on here try and convince us he's harmless. It's embarrassing. You've convinced yourselves he's loved by everyone and that the mid-terms results were a mirage. You are the ultimate kool-aid drinkers.

March 17, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Mtn. John and Dude Abides, Thanks for the link to Doonesbury, that's a good one. The word "prurient" is perfect. Haven't heard the word in sometime, but it is the description of the GOP elected officials. Prurient Interest is defined as "a morbid, degrading and unhealthy interest in sex, as distinguished from a mere candid interest in sex."

Spot on, dude abides.

March 17, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...'re right. prurient is the perfect word.. for the Kennedy family.

March 17, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

This city is most fortunate to have a voice that so accurately captures the Republican Soul and gets to the Republican HEART of the matter.


March 17, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

looks like clay touched a Republican nerve with Big Ridge, but not enough to cause a conversion however.

Keep up the good works Clay and maybe someday...........!

March 17, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_... that's an almost exact copy of a post I made a couple days ago. At least aim your plagiarism at people other than the person you lifted it from! Also, please police your punctuation.

March 17, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

And Big Ridge, you make his point very well. Keep up the good work also.

March 17, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
EaTn said...

tu_quoque said..."You seem to have a lot of pent up sexual dysfunction going on in your life"

I looked up the definition of tu quoque :"retort accusing an accuser of a similar offense or similar behavior"


March 17, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
hambone said...

The only fact posted on here this morning is that......

From 12:07am till 12:47am BuRP couldn't sleep!

March 17, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
dude_abides said...

"This one has a error so glaring that it hurts the eyes to look at it." - tu_quoque

I found it tu_q !

March 17, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...Last year Texas decertified Planned Parenthood as a qualified Medicaid provider. Out of spite for Texas’ actions The Obozo is cutting about $40 million of federal money to pay for poor women’s healthcare in that state.

TQ - perhaps you should read the Medicaid rules. The decision to terminate Medicaid funding to Texas was made by Texas, not the Obama administration, because Texas intentionally discriminated against a qualified health care provider.

March 17, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
hambone said...

When they were kids.

Clay Bennett was the "Bully"!

And BRP was the "retarded kid"!

March 17, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
unexamined_life said...

When I read Republican comments I always feel the presence of Jesus.

The Jesus who said the following:

38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

March 17, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
Porky_Ca said...

Oink.....and how you all be :)

March 17, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
joneses said...

What I find pathetic is you stupid as liberals cannot say anything good about your anointed one. And who is the anointed one? He is the fool you put in the White House.

March 17, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.
joneses said...

I know exactly how you feel because like you liberals I cannot find anything good to say about this pathetic president either.

March 17, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

joneses, let me see if I can find something good to say about Obama. Oh, here you go... He's not a quasi literate, powerless redneck from a small town who will never amount to anything but fertilizer. He's not a vicious, base inbred that feels it necessary to spit venom at everything his brain is unable to grasp. Will that work?

March 17, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...But you would think that a real compassionate human being could find some other way to punish Texas besides killing innocent poor women by depriving them of life saving women’s healthcare.

Yes, you would. Please tell that to Gov. Perry. The decision to punish innocent poor women was his and he has the authority to repeal that decision.

March 17, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
EaTn said...

Re: tu-quoque and Clay on cartoon error.

If authenticity and reality kept us from enjoying the purpose behind any art, we would go crazy watching a good movie with the constant image of background cameras, fake props and stage folks in our mind.

March 17, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
claybennett said...

I'm flattered that you study my drawings so closely, tu_quoque.

March 17, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
hambone said...

Sure is great that everyone has stuck to the subject of the cartoon today. Instead of all the insults and name calling that is the normal fair here!

March 17, 2012 at 6 p.m.
blackwater48 said...


TQ, you understand that Clay is drawing a cartoon, right? He's not offering up an example for Perspective Class 101.

But if you are going to offer graphic criticism of Clay's artwork, warranted or not, you are leaving yourself open to scrutiny over your grammar and punctuation.

Keep squeezing that aspirin between your knees, dearie, and if Clay's cartoons offend you, well, you can just close your eyes.

March 17, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
blackwater48 said...


For some crazy, politically suicidal reason, the GOP has decided that women need to be put (back) in their place. Wow. Just how crazy are you guys?

At the State level some of the proposals either put forth or already enacted by republicans include laws that order unnecessary medical procedures without the approval of either the doctor OR the patient, laws that order women to tell their boss WHY they want birth control pills, and laws that force doctors to lie to women about a link between breast cancer and abortion. There isn't any, but republican law will force doctors to lie to women because the GOP knows better what's good for you.

Republicans also want to get rid of Planned Parenthood that provides PAP smears, breast exams, contraceptives, and other health services to millions of women.

But in a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite their face, closing Planned Parenthood will result in thousands - if not millions - of unwanted pregnancies, which will only increase the number of abortions.

A classic illustration of what can happen when your singular political position is constantly and consistently in direct opposition to President Obama.


March 17, 2012 at 6:16 p.m.
claybennett said...

Actually, I thought better of making a snarky comment.

March 17, 2012 at 6:16 p.m.
handmaidstale said...

How appropriate and thanks Clay.

March 17, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.
rick1 said...

Hambone stated at on March 17, 2012 at 6pm Sure is great that everyone has stuck to the subject of the cartoon today. Instead of all the insults and name calling that is the normal fair here!

Hambone said on March 17, 2012 at 12:03pm

**When they were kids.

Clay Bennett was the "Bully"!

And BRP was the "retarded kid"!**

Hambone, why don't you take your own advise before telling others how to act.

I would say this would be a case of double standard, but you have to have standards first.

March 17, 2012 at 6:42 p.m.
jjmez said...

Well, I did come across an article recently where Arizona is trying to pass a law that would require women to verify why they're wanting birth control before having it prescribed to them. A law like this, if adopted, will only cause birth control to go on the black market where it will be unregulated and dangerous. I can picture it now. Instead of smash and grab for cigarettes and pain medicines, a group of high school and female college misses will be breaking into pharamcies and smashing and grabbing packets of birth control.

March 17, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Here is one example of how Obama has "disrected" the Constitution."

"President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations"

"Reagan's 1983 executive order did not provide blanket exemptions for INTERPOL officials, who at the time did not have a permanent office in the US."

"I'm told INTERPOL didn't have a permanent office in the US until 2004, which is why it wasn’t until this month afforded the same full privileges given, say, the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission by President Kennedy in 1962."

"Then in his December 17, 2009, executive order President Obama exempted INTERPOL from the rest of the exceptions Reagan listed"

"*So what does the counterterrorism official from the Bush years think of this?"

"He can't believe it's taken this long."

"Conservatives can't have it both ways," the official says. "You can't be complaining about the hypothetical abdication of US jurisdiction at the same time you're complaining the Obama administration is not being tough enough on national security."

"Obama administration officials say this new executive order doesn't allow INTERPOL to do any more than they were allowed to do once Reagan recognized them as a public international organization. Though clearly the Executive Order does prohibit US law enforcement from searching and seizing INTERPOL records, officials say, those provisions can be waived by the president if need be."

March 17, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
miraweb said...

An excellent cartoon, Clay! The thugs at the desk in the current conversation have one well-understood meaning, but they could just as easily be our "friends" from the insurance companies (or, perhaps, from Facebook).

Many decisions in life are far too important to leave in the hands of an idiot legislator.

Why do we assume a system barely able to handle school lunch (pink slime with ketchup, anyone?) is the right one to tell people who to marry, when to have children, when doctors can provide health care, and how we are allowed to die?

The founder's best idea was that matters of conscience belong in the hands of individuals.

We are good at that when others agree entirely with our own religious or world view and we are very bad at it when someone, in good conscience, sees things another way.

The government has a needed role to handle crises, build for the future, and provide for the common good. Reasonable people can disagree on how best to do these things and it is a legislature's job to sort that out.

March 17, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
joneses said...


You are an idiot. I was agreeing with you disgusting liberals. I cannot find anything to say good about this pathetic president either. meaning I never read any of you disgusting liberals post anything positive about this fool you worship as your anointed one. Keep drinking the Kool Aid fool. LOL!

March 17, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
BluesHarp said...

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." -Edith Sitwell

"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." -Elbert Hubbard

"Prejudice is the child of ignorance." -Hazlitt

"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." -Isaac Asimov

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." Daniel J Boorstin

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." - William James

"Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position; denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd." -Annie Besant

“Ignorance and inconsideration are the two great causes of the ruin of mankind."
-John Tillotson

"Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead." ~ Thomas Paine

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -Issac Asimov

March 17, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.
hambone said...

It's hard for some folks to reconize sarcasm, Rick.

March 17, 2012 at 9:03 p.m.
David_Franks said...


RE "'Charter of negative liberties' -OBAMA in an interview in 2001. That's what he called the Constitution." Obama was not denigrating the Constitution. Negative liberty is defined as freedom from interference by other people, and is set in contrast to positive liberty, which is defined as an individual's freedom from inhibitions of the social structure within the society such as classism, sexism or racism and is primarily concerned with the possession of sociological agency. It's a perfectly valid description of the Constitution, so of course it wouldn't fall within a conservative's self-styled constitutional expertise. .

RE "President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations." If the Constitution is so clear on the matter, why "the Reagan limitations" instead of "Constitutional limitations"? Maybe Reagan was wrong, or his policy no longer applies. .

So Andrew McCarthy disagrees. The Obama administration's legal people say it's okay. This is why we have a Supreme Court: we'll find out who's right.

March 17, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
David_Franks said...

tu quoque--

RE drawing "error"-- The direction of the beam of light relative to the lamp is correct if the cartoon is drawn as if seen through a wide-angle lens-- which would be appropriate given the desired field of view in a relatively small room. Of course, I used to teach perspective drawing, including techniques for changing a representation through alteration of perspective and apparent point of view, so I wasn't bothered by Mr. Bennett's use of this subtle technique for making the scene more claustrophobic.

RE "When a media company starts paying me for my product and tooting their horn about all of my accomplishments I will think about adding a little more effort." That isn't likely to happen unless your resume is more impressive than your comments are.

March 17, 2012 at 9:51 p.m.
David_Franks said...

joneses (Say-- didn't the sense of "drink the Kool-Aid" as you use it originate with a little incident involving a preacher named Jones?)--

RE "What I find pathetic is you stupid as liberals cannot say anything good about your anointed one."I can. But since "He's not a Republican" probably won't satisfy you, here's a list (with references) of a number of Obama's accomplishments:

RE "Obama bowing to our enemies"He once used a ceremonial greeting that was a custom of one of his guests.

RE "Obama's attack on religion"

Cite an example.

RE "Obama apologizing to our enemies after they kill our soldiers"

Oh, and our soldiers have never done anything outside the bounds of military duty that merited an apology. Obama apologizes when an apology is warranted.

RE "Obama continuing to negotiate with our enemies from a position of weakness"

Cite an example.

RE "Obamas making the oil companies rich with is unwillingness to do something about the high cost of gas"

The President has no control over the price of gas (and this is the tax code and Congress at work), but he is considering dipping into the Strategic Oil Reserve.

RE "Obama's continued high unemployment rate"

It would be lower if A. tinkle-down economics actually worked, and B. the GOP were as concerned about creating jobs as it is with making Obama a one-term president.

RE "Obama's hate speeches"

Cite an example.

RE "Obama's massive expansion of government"

"By the end of 2010, the United States STILL has less employees on the books than we did back in 1980 even though the population has grown from 226,545,805 to approximately 330,000,000 in 2010.



RE "Obamas destroying of the middle class"

That was taken care of before Obama took office. He has done everything he can to get the middle class up and running again, with or without the kicking, screaming Republicans.

RE "Obama not pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan"

Have you been asleep?

RE "Obama's lowering of Americas' credit rating"

The downgrade notice from S&P specifically blamed the Republicans in Congress: "Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act." See In other words, that was the Teabaggers, not Obama.

RE "Obama destroying the best health care system in America"

Unless you're wealthy, the United States has bad health care. Even the Brits feel sorry for us regular folks.

If Obama were as bad as you want him to be, you wouldn't have to lie about him.

March 17, 2012 at 10:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_q... your sentence, as I recall, hinted at the "error" by using the word glaring. I really and truly gave you more credit than that. Even without the eloquently stated explanation by David_Franks, this is still so minor an issue as to be justly called chickensh!t. The irony of you making an error while being exceedingly picky about someone else's purported error was both lugubrious and exquisitely unctuous. I know, however, that you have another high horse to get back up on. Like that grammar?

March 17, 2012 at 11:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"dud... you bore me. You are a child. I hear you buzzing down there." Yawn.

March 17, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
fairmon said...

The only way to make a woman happy is to do what she wants, when she wants it the way she wants it and the pay whatever it takes. Why not just quit talking about it and pay up whether you like it or not. It will be cheaper in the long run. If she wants an abortion two days before birth don't ask why or ask for justification, just do it and forget it.

March 17, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

There is no justification for an ultra sound of any kind if an abortion is requested, it is the womans choice. It is in the best interest of everyone if they make that choice.

A woman that can't afford the $10-15 a month for the pill should consider abstaining or requiring the male they are giving it to to pay for the preferred prevention method. Or, we should have a welfare system that provides all methods of prevention free (tax money used to pay) including voluntary sterilization for males and females. Sterilization should be required for the dead beat dads that are unable or refuse to pay child support. The ROI on the investment would be excellent, much better than the auto and bank bail outs.

What will eventually result from the federal government being involved in health care? The government will assume full control. They will decide what Dr's. will be paid and where they will work resulting in a shortage of Dr.'s and reduced qualification criteria. The government will assume control of all hospitals. The waiting list for critical surgery and treatment will be long and there will be delays with bureaucratic red tape out the yahoo. If you don't believe it just hang around until about 1920. There will be no employer provided health care coverage. Employers and self employed will match an uncapped medical tax on income. Congress and a favored few will not participate. Treatment of some illnesses will not be provided for those over a certain age.

Those that use drugs, alcohol, tobacco, obese and engage in a variety of risky behaviors holler the loudest when they are ill and insist others pay for their care, they think I owe it to them.

March 17, 2012 at 11:40 p.m.
David_Franks said...


RE "A woman that can't afford the $10-15 a month for the pill should consider abstaining or requiring the male they are giving it to to pay for the preferred prevention method."

Birth-control pills cost between sixty and a hundred dollars a month. Even at that, they are cheap, compared to dealing with unwanted or unneeeded children. But a lot of women take birth-control pills for medical conditions; they can't just abstain from having ovarian cysts, endometriosis or fibro-cystic breast disease. In such cases, the pills should be paid for just like any other medication.

RE "What will eventually result from the federal government being involved in health care? The government will assume full control. They will decide what Dr's. will be paid and where they will work resulting in a shortage of Dr.'s and reduced qualification criteria."

These things already happen in our lovely private insurance market. I have talked to my last four doctors. They would all like to see either a two-tier or single-payer system because, believe it or not, it would make their jobs easier and reduce their overhead.

RE "Those that use drugs, alcohol, tobacco, obese and engage in a variety of risky behaviors holler the loudest when they are ill and insist others pay for their care, they think I owe it to them."

This is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Insurance is based on the premise that healthy people pay for the claims of the ill with the premiums that are adjusted to account for the risk of insuring them compared to the pool of insureds. In other words, if you have insurance, you DO owe it to them.

March 18, 2012 at 2:08 a.m.
David_Franks said...

tu quoque--

RE "First off … B.S. on the wide angle lens." When you can't refute a point, dismiss it. Typical. Of course, you could look it up, but I know it's easier to wait for Faux News to tell you. Would it tempt you to look it up if I told you that you could find a reference with lots of pictures?

RE "Of course you did. How could it have been different that there wouldn’t be some Libtard on this thread that is an expert in this field of endeavor?"

Of course I did, indeed. You shouldn't be surprised that other people know things just because you, apparently, don't. I used to teach drawing and design in the School of Architecture at the University of Arkansas. I also used to tune and repair pipe organs, so if you make some picayune, irrelevant and incorrect complaint about a pipe organ, I can probably correct you on that as well.

RE "I have no resume as I am one of the owner/operators of the nation that reaps all of the profit from the little people as I recline in my easy chair."

Thank goodness for that. I'd hate for you to magically become lazy and greedy because you couldn't find a job. Perhaps you are even one of the much-vaunted but utterly failed "job creators" as well. If so, it is an honor and a revelation to see your testimony as to how effectively all of those tax breaks have been wasted.

RE "I do this strictly for the amusement that I get out of rubbing you Libtards' face in your own poo."

I see: you're a coprophiliac. That would explain your love of all things conservative.

Toodle-oo. It's a business doing pleasure with you, I'm sure.

March 18, 2012 at 3:30 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Love it.

March 18, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.
David_Franks said...


RE "Franks is using the Obama method. Deflect and Lie, every step of the way."

Cite examples. In particular, show how every rebuttal I've made is a deflection and a lie. Shoot-- I'll make it easier for you to fail: show how every point I have made is a deflection or a lie. (Hint: that won't be easy, either.)

If presenting relevant, factual arguments with references is the "Obama method", then that explains why conservatives rush to make unsupported and unsupportable assertions. At least for the sake of a cogent argument, you really shouldn't hate Obama so much. Doing so reduces you to foolish, childish bluster.

March 18, 2012 at 1:21 p.m.
David_Franks said...


RE "I am so thoroughly chastised DaveeFrank."

No, you're not. Based on this post, you lack the good sense to be chastised. That's already the first untruth in this post-- in your first sentence!

RE [bleeeat, baa, baaa, bleeat, baaaaa]

Your reply has nothing to do with anything I said, so it does not show that I "Deflect and Lie, every step of the way".

RE "Your God King"

Obama is my President. You are, apparently, the one who considers him a God King. Capital letters and everything.

RE "CBO announced this week the cost will be double what the God King enunicated."

Not exactly-- you must have picked up that tidbit from your own regime programming. See

RE "Every day in every speech he lies."

Cite examples. I'll make it easy for you and let you show how Obama lied even once in just one speech every day in 2012 only. Shoot-- I'll make it even easier for you: I'll let you admit that you can't tell the truth.

RE "Davee your hate for people who refuse to bow at the foot of your God King is really sick."

Oh, please do show me where I have said anything that shows that I hate anybody. (Hint: showing disapproval for, and rebutting, ignorance, misrepresentation and out-and-out lies doesn't count as hating people.)

You, of course, are the very model of knowledgeable, accurate and civil discourse. The conservative model, anyway.

RE "Somehow I feel worshiping a Marxist/racist/liar is probably not a good thing."

I take it, then, that you are not a Christian. I don't know that Jesus was a racist, exactly-- though a lot of His followers are-- but He was just as much a Marxist and liar as Obama supposedly is.

March 18, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.
David_Franks said...


RE "You guys are still playing with yourselves in here? I usually quit posting on this site before midnight..."

Yet here you are, playing with yourself-- and making excuses.

RE "I say that I’m not accepting it..." I'm always amazed that so much inertia can be demonstrated by something of so little materiality as your brain.

RE "...and your response is that there is a place that evidence resides to prove you right but just to be difficult you won’t tell anyone its location."

That was not my response. Read it again, and ask somebody to help you with the comprehension part. Clearly you have some rudimentary ability to use the Internet. You should apply it to doing something that is actually useful-- like learning something by doing online research.

RE "BTW … I did have to look that word up. Odd that you would be so familiar with such activity..."

Again, you shouldn't be surprised that other people know things, just because you don't. In this case, I've read most of the dictionary, and I managed to get through the C's pretty early on.

And again, it's a business doing pleasure with you, I'm sure.

March 19, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.
David_Franks said...


RE "You have made numerous claims about your abilities and expertise but have as yet provided not any verifiable bit of information that would support your positions."

That's okay. You've provided me plenty of evidence to allow me to take your dullness at face value.

RE "There are thousands of B.S. artists just like you on the internet right now..."

You keep mentioning excrement. It seems to be a particular fixation of yours.

As an artist, I have worked in pen and ink, charcoal, watercolor, oil and acrylic paint, sepia print, colored pencil, metal, wood, block print, typography, collage and sponge, but never in the medium of B.S.; my district has a Republican representative in Congress, so I leave that to him and the rest of the Teabaggers.

RE "Your problem is you set up shop in the wrong place and you're just not getting the job done here."

Since B.S. is not my job, and you have it covered so well, I will continue to make reasonable points and provide factual rebuttals. I know that will cause you to issue an extended barrage of fecocentric commentary, but then you've found your comfort zone.

RE "BTW ... Did it really hurt you that bad when I zapped your local hero Toonboy..."

It didn't hurt a bit. Did it hurt you that there's a simple, logical explanation for what you went to the trouble to pick out as a fault in a cartoon? Of course it did. It sent you into a frenzy of denial.

RE "...and he had to lower himself to respond to the enemy in such a degrading way?"

I hate to ask, as it might take some of the elation out of your imaginary victory, but what was degrading about his response?

RE "As always LMAO at you and not with you."

Clearly you have a constant and plentiful source of A. Given your propensity to recline in your easy chair, perhaps a diet and exercise would be in order. Your coprophagia is out of hand, so cut your intake by turning off the Faux News. As for exercise, you could try lifting that big old A out of that easy chair, but you'll need to work up to that weight class by moving pianos or something. This is not to say that you should stop laughing, however, as laughter is the best medicine. Indeed, you're welcome to laugh with me, if you're ever up to it. And thanks for the dose.

And, in perpetuity, it's a business doing pleasure with you, I'm sure.

March 19, 2012 at 1:46 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

David Franks, I admire your persistence. Trying to get tuqu to deal in specific points and back up statements with evidence instead of just flinging potty insults is like trying to nail jello to a tree.

March 19, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
ibshame said...

LOL I think nailing jello would be easier.

March 19, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
David_Franks said...


If you must personify a fallacy, you probably should change your screen name to "ad_hominem". It would be more representative of the fallacio you perform every time you hit the "post comment" button.

RE "Keep bringing the truthiness if not the honesty."

Oh, you could try to rebut my posts with facts, but that would expose you to the risk of learning something about the topics discussed here. Better to take the easy way out and dismiss the source (genetic fallacy) and insult those you disagree with.

I choose-- for the most part; half-armed challenges such as yours to a battle of the wits are, I confess, irresistible-- to attack opinions rather than people, and to contribute to the amount of factual information provided in these forums. As attempts to engage in actual dialogue with people who generally prefer to snipe, I am quite happy to let my posts stand for evaluation by each reader. That's one reason I post under my name: I own what I say.

It's a business doing pleasure with you, I'm sure-- even if you don't charge extra for all of that fallacio.

March 19, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
David_Franks said...


Crazy, indeed.

March 19, 2012 at 11:34 p.m.
David_Franks said...


RE "Here I will re-post your original statements since you would want everyone to judge them on their merit...."

In the matter of factual content, I said, "I contribute to the amount of factual information provided in these forums." I was referring to all of my posts in this and other threads, addressed to you and to other commenters. You therefore would have to look to other of my posts in order to address the point you appear to wish to make. If you will bother to do so, you will find that I am pretty good at bringing facts and references to the discussion.

RE "if the toon was draw as if viewed through a wide angle lens, it would be correct"

See and note the section "Perspective angle/Cone of vision". It demonstrates how a wider cone of view (such as provided by a wide-angle lens) pulls the viewer closer to the objects being viewed, which has the effect of making more surface of objects off the point of view visible. The drawing captioned '150-degree Cone of Vision" is a very extreme example of how a cone of view at a wider-than-normal angle allows/forces you to see parts of objects that would not normally be seen (such as the bulb and inside of the lampshade in the cartoon).

RE "the most important is did Toonboy actually intend and draw it that way"

Actually, no it isn't. You contend that the apparent angle of the light is necessarily a mistake because it looks wrong. I contend that the angle of the light is not necessarily a mistake because there is a reason it can be correct.

Neither of us knows whether Mr. Bennett drew the lighting and its angle by design. I had exactly as much basis to say that he did as you had to say he didn't.

RE "Time will tell if you are up to the task..."

Yes, it will.

RE "but I am not banking on you doing so."

That's okay; you've been wrong before.

March 21, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
Exusiai said...

Just a question....

Is BigRidgePatriot capable of posting all of their useless train of rambling in one post? Is that possible?

March 21, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
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