published Wednesday, November 14th, 2012

The Watchdog

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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miraweb said...

Nothing like an old fashioned scandal to cheer up those post-election blues.

November 14, 2012 at 12:14 a.m.
hambone said...

Faux is working overtime trying to blame this mess on Obama.

November 14, 2012 at 12:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

Send a man to an isolated war zone then send a real good looking woman that is attracted to a uniform to spend time with him and act surprised if he reacts normally. I don't get it, democrats defended congressman wiener, president Clinton, Barney and some even tried to defend candidate John Davis and now they attack the general like a mob stoning a woman for infidelity. He didn't lie or deny but did the honorable thing, admitted his mistake and resigned. I hope boy gets girl and they live happily ever after. I assume his wife is no Hilary and kicked him out, which he does deserve.

November 14, 2012 at 12:31 a.m.

harp339, Democrats attacking General Petreus? I haven't seen any attacks on him for that except for some people who somehow think resigning as CIA director means he can't be subpoenaed.

Now there are some liberals who had a pre-existing grievance against Petreus, but they hardly care about his adultery.

You must be watching different coverage than me. Even this cartoon has none of the hostility that you seem to believe is out there.

It's just a light-hearted observance of a topical event.

So what are you seeing and where?

November 14, 2012 at 12:35 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

PETRAEUS SHOULDN'T RESIGN

The FBI reported that its investigation into the Patraeus affair found no criminal behavior. If that's true, I don't see why he's out of a job. While military code is strict, to accept the CIA post the former 4-star general had to retire from the Army.

If he's qualified we shouldn't let him walk. What he did was dumb but it's not against the law to exhibit poor judgement. Here's a fact: divorce rates are high for troops deployed overseas including commanding officers.

In the meantime we can all eagerly await the next realty show, 'Real Housewives of Tampa Bay,'

November 14, 2012 at 12:52 a.m.
miraweb said...

The CIAs code is far stricter than the military because they are a target for foreign operatives. Just lying about a relationship can lose a security clearance.

Petraeus couldn't stay in that specific job in this situation. He has sufficient talent and skills that there are many good places he could land. I wouldn't blame him if he opts for a little down time.

Afghanistan is apparently following this as closely as Americans. I heard an interview where a man said they were very impressed that a man in a high position of power would be held to account.

Something that is quite unlikely there.

November 14, 2012 at 1:05 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

CODE WORD FOR CODE?

Mira, I couldn't find the CIA code spelled out anywhere. I did, however, find an article and here is a relevant portion:

"Expectations of personal behavior in the national security professions have generally been higher than other fields, particularly for officers and leaders. In the military, sexual intrigue can undermine morale and discipline. Adultery can land you in prison for up to a year—though the rule is seldom enforced in the absence of other crimes such as lying to superiors or disobeying orders. In the intelligence world, sex has long been used as bait and blackmail—the “honey trap”—though I’d imagine that plain old infidelity at the CIA is not unknown or uniformly punished.

"By all accounts, Petraeus’ personal failure did not involve the abuse of power, criminal acts or security breaches. But his case also demonstrates how messy infidelity can quickly become messy enough to involve harassing emails and to attract the attention of the FBI. People at their most ardent are also at their least rational. And this is most damaging in fields, such as intelligence, where the essence of leadership is judgment.

"Petraeus might have fought for his job. Instead, he admitted to showing 'extremely poor judgment.” And it is hard to argue with him. 'Such behavior,' he told the employees of CIA, 'is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours.'

"After a career dedicated to high standards, Petraeus chose to apply those standards to himself."

Perhaps, but after the fact...

November 14, 2012 at 1:45 a.m.
alprova said...

General Petraeus is a man of honor and he did the honorable thing when caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Personally, I am sad that the man stepped down.

By all appearances, the man dipped his wick in crazy, a.k.a. Paula Broadwell, who apparently didn't want to end the relationship and return to her husband and children.

A woman scorned...can be a rather dangerous proposition.

At least this one didn't strap on a diaper, drive a couple of thousand miles, with a car full of weapons, intending to end the life of the perceived third wheel in this drama.

But she did tarnish the record of an otherwise decent man.

November 14, 2012 at 2:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

yesterday mountainlaurel said... Harp3339 says: “I believe in abolishing the federal welfare and entitlement programs.”

May I ask if you’ve ever thought about relocating to one of those Banana Republics in South America, Harp3339? If not, I think it’s something you might want to seriously consider. Yes, I bet you’d find true happiness there. The population in some of these countries is just the way that you and the Republicans like it - the outrageously wealthy and devastatingly poor

I am not nor do I support republicans whose fiscal responsibility is only slightly better than democrats, both have stupid social agendas. Most welfare programs should be state sponsored and run.

ML...You could move to France where they have a 75% tax on the wealthy, just the way you like it except that may be a lower rate than you would advocate. The federal level is the wrong place for these programs. Around one half of each medicare claim dollar is paid with borrowed money. How would you address that problem or do you not consider it a problem? Increasing taxes on a few does not noticeably affect it.

Would you agree with eliminating all standard health care insurance and insurers except medicare with taxes and premiums sufficient to pay for it? Would you allow those that wanted to and could to buy a medigap policy or would your position be no unless everyone can have it no one can?

The devastation of unintended consequences and higher cost of the PPAHCA is just beginning. The PP (patient protection) may come to mean a jargon term frequently used to describe something of poor value.

November 14, 2012 at 3:28 a.m.
fairmon said...

hwtnb said....

It's just a light-hearted observance of a topical event.

The cartoon is a light hearted look which is as it should be. Feinstein was not taking it well in the news clip I saw. There were others but I don't know what their party affiliation was. I, like a lot of people, don't pay much attention when the news is on.

I hope they leave the man alone. It seems alprova has picked up on the party attempt to blame the woman and label her as crazy in case something else comes up. Do you think his fling with a good looking younger woman could have been Bush's or Gary Johnson's fault?

November 14, 2012 at 3:49 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "It seems alprova has picked up on the party attempt to blame the woman and label her as crazy in case something else comes up."

I'm basing my position upon news reports that Paula Broadwell did not seem pleased that Petraeus decided to end the affair and began harassing the Kelly woman with displays of jealousy.

It seems that with the end of the election, news outlets are way too eager to scandalize this one to the max.

"Do you think his fling with a good looking younger woman could have been Bush's or Gary Johnson's fault?"

Why would I think that?

Clearly, General Petraeus made an error in judgment, and so did she, but he did have the sense to see what he was doing was wrong and tried to end it quietly and discreetly. If the reporting is correct, it doesn't appear that she did the same.

If it turns out that the reporting is not correct, then I will be quite happy to retract my assessment that the woman was crazy.

November 14, 2012 at 4:10 a.m.
EaTn said...

It may be that Clay can recycle this toon in the near future with several dogs sticking their heads through the fence drooling at the little cutie. With all the dogs chasing to find one in heat, who the he!! is looking after the country?

November 14, 2012 at 6:49 a.m.
jesse said...

A cat fight that went public! Now everybody is gonna pay the piper for being DUMB! Broadwell is nuts in the "fatal attraction"type sense and the Generals are just flat azz dumb! All the pols in congress are gonna ride it for the expouser they can and then move on to the next thing that will keep them on the front page!

November 14, 2012 at 6:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

hwtnb...I again apologize to you and MTJohn for attributing your post to MTJohn when responding.

Off topic but timely;

total revenue collected, if deductions are capped at $25,000,would increase by $1.3 trillion over the next 10 years, starting at $70 billion in 2013. An analysis by the Tax Policy Center looks at the dollar impact of certain caps on deductions. If total deductions are capped at, say, $25,000, people making $1 million or more would bear the brunt of the new taxes. Their taxes would go up by an average of $97,524, compared to current tax policy. The average tax increases are similar if deductions are capped at $50,000. But with a $50,000 cap, those making $200,000 or more account for more than 90 percent of the tax change. [end article exert] Either cap yields more than a rate hike on those over $250,000.

Makes one wonder why some members of congress resist reducing deductions over a tax increase. Does it affect their favorites? Increasing the tax rate would allow the wealthy to change more of their investments to non-taxable municipal bonds or other safe tax exempt investments. Rate increases in the past haven't resulted in commensurate revenue. A bolder and more effective move would be to eliminate all deductions at all levels and reduce the rates at the lower levels.

November 14, 2012 at 7:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

If it turns out that the reporting is not correct, then I will be quite happy to retract my assessment that the woman was crazy.

I admire him and his credible and bold action. Currently, her being crazy is only a journalist and the general's supporters opinion without supporting clinical data. Unless there is something I haven't read or heard, which is very possible, your post may be premature and inconsistent with your claim to post only facts and supportable data.

November 14, 2012 at 7:13 a.m.
dude_abides said...

General Petraeus put the URGE in surge. Apparently he was after more than just hearts and minds over there!

This goes back to Rumsfeld. In 2005, he spoke of "winning the peace." Petraeus must have misread the directive.

November 14, 2012 at 7:38 a.m.
ibshame said...

"jesse said... A cat fight that went public! Now everybody is gonna pay the piper for being DUMB! Broadwell is nuts in the "fatal attraction"type sense and the Generals are just flat azz dumb!"

I totally agree. It's sad so much time is being wasted on this but it's what the public feeds on. It's why Reality TV shows are so popular. When it's all said and done it will be nothing more than a cat fight that got out of control. That dumbazz FBI agent who was a friend of Kelly's should be sent home permanently. It's obvious there was never anything to this to begin with but evidently he was trying to IMPRESS Kelly with his ability to get the FBI involved.

November 14, 2012 at 8:01 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Only irony ia that had Director Petraeus been a Bush appt., you southpaws would be bat-shiz crazy over this.

November 14, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
TinaFrench said...

Alprova writes, "But she did tarnish the record of an otherwise decent man". You're actually blaming the woman for this? He's a weak-willed little man. He could have simply said NO. I guess this is why men feel the need to control women, because you can't control yourselves. Get your burkas ready women, they're just around the corner.

November 14, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

TinaFrench said... Alprova writes, "But she did tarnish the record of an otherwise decent man". You're actually blaming the woman for this? He's a weak-willed little man. He could have simply said NO. I guess this is why men feel the need to control women, because you can't control yourselves. Get your burkas ready women, they're just around the corner.

Alprova, You stepped in it. Tina is right, (except the burkas - I refuse). It is not like you to say this Al. I thought you were about personal responcibility.

November 14, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ibshame notes: "That dumbazz FBI agent who was a friend of Kelly's should be sent home permanently. It's obvious there was never anything to this to begin with but evidently he was trying to IMPRESS Kelly with his ability to get the FBI involved.

Yes, I think you’re right about this guy. Surely, it isn’t a common for FBI agents to be emailing women shirtless photos of themselves. Is it? And I can’t help but wonder what Kelly’s husband thought about the fact that an FBI agent was emailing his wife shirtless photos of himself.

“New details about how the Federal Bureau of Investigation handled the case suggest that even as the bureau delved into Mr. Petraeus's personal life, the agency had to address conduct by its own agent—who allegedly sent shirtless photos of himself to a woman involved in the case prior to the investigation.

FBI officials declined to identify the agent, so he couldn't be reached to give his side of the story. The agent is now under investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility, the internal-affairs arm of the FBI, according to two officials familiar with the matter."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324439804578115410189757452.html

November 14, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Later this afternoon, Pres Obama meets with a dozen big-name CEOs to hear their views on the "fiscal cliff" and how to avert it.

I'm sure he got some sage advice from that bunch of leftists he had in for tea yesterday.

November 14, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... Only irony ia that had Director Petraeus been a Bush appt., you southpaws would be bat-shiz crazy over this."

Ahh once again you show your ignorance. How do you think Petraeus got appointed in the first place. HE WAS A BUSH APPOINTEE and President Obama TRUSTED HIS JUDGEMENT about Iraq and then ALSO TRUSTED HIS JUDGEMENT ABOUT RUNNING THE CIA. You see President Obama has proven over and over he does what he thinks is best for the country and not his party. It didn't matter to him that Petraeus was straight out of the Bush appointments as was Gates and that they more than likely were REPUBLICANS. President Obama's ability to rise above the bullsh*t partisianship of people like you is why he was re-elected and your guy LOST.

November 14, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Oh, dear Lord . . . I see that Mitt Romney’s pal Pat Robertson has proclaimed that Broadwell threw herself at Petraeus:

“Robertson excused CIA Director Petraeus for the extramarital affair with his biographer, Broadwell, on Monday's episode of "The 700 Club," the flagship program of the Christian Broadcasting Network.

"Who knows?" he said. "The man's off in a foreign land and he's lonely and here's a good looking lady throwing herself at him. I mean, he's a man."

He also alluded to Broadwell's wiles. "She is an extremely good looking woman. She is a marathon runner. She runs Iron Man triathlons. So she's out running with him and writing a biography. I think the term is 'propinquity.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/pat-robertson-on-general-_n_2123111.html

November 14, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
Leaf said...

Am I the only one who thinks both men and women share blame for infidelity? It takes two to tango. I'm not sure where the burkha comes into play here, except as an inflammatory aside.

November 14, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: As, once again your desire to be the first wise-azz clouds you reading comprehension. Perhaps you did not notice that I said DIRECTOR Petraeus. Rushing to be kewl does not serve you well, lib.

November 14, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
Walden said...

No way this scandal ends well for the Bamster. Not even his state run media can save him from this one. Stay tuned.

November 14, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

I miss canarysong.....rarely agreed with her but miss her, wonder what her take on this issue would be? We may agree to some extent. it takes two consenting for this to happen. She is not too crazy, just think how book sells will increase with all this free publicity, no talk show circuit will be necessary.

November 14, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
Walden said...

Yep, Al, I actually find myself agreeing with JustAnotherAngryFeminist on this one. You really stepped in it with the "But she did tarnish the record of an otherwise decent man." comment.

Walk it back you misogynist!

November 14, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
Walden said...

Petraeus to testify afterall! Hah, he never stood a chance of not facing the congressional music. Spill the beans General, spill the beans.

November 14, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
alprova said...

TinaFrench writes: "You're actually blaming the woman for this? He's a weak-willed little man. He could have simply said NO."

Woah....I'm in no manner blaming her for the affair. That was both of their faults.

I was only referring to the harassing e-mails sent to the Kelley woman, which were discovered and which apparently was responsible for the affair being discovered.

I blame her for her lack of discretion. She had every reason, as a married woman with two young children, to let things slip into obscurity, but she didn't.

She's the one responsible for the affair being outed. In that respect, she tarnished General Petraeus's image. That's all I meant.

"I guess this is why men feel the need to control women, because you can't control yourselves. Get your burkas ready women, they're just around the corner."

I think that most people are aware that I have never, ever suggested that women need to be controlled.

My deepest apologies for not making myself 100% clear. The affair is not a major issue, in my opinion. Her actions after it ended are the issue.

November 14, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.
delmar said...

I'm sure if they look hard enough they will find a Kardashian in there some where;D This whole thing has a bad smell to it. My first thought was - 2 social climbers buttin' heads. Lot of layers there.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/david-petraeus-scandal-explained

November 14, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
Walden said...

Nice walkback Al. Just like a true Dem.

November 14, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

FOX OUTRAGE

Walden gushed, "Petraeus to testify after all! Hah, he never stood a chance of not facing the congressional music. Spill the beans General, spill the beans."

I never understood tea bagger outrage in the first place. The loons were claiming that the Petraeus resignation would somehow shield him from testifying before Congress regarding Libya.

You guys know that Congress has subpoena powers, right? They can call anyone to testify anytime on anything. CIA Director Petreaus and private citizen Petreaus are each equally accessible to Congressional inquiry. Always were, always will be. Just like you and me.

BTW, Walden, Petreaus went to Tripoli a few weeks and conducted his own investigation. Early reports suggest his testimony will back up the White House.

Turn off the conservative entertainment.

November 14, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
acerigger said...

Here's an in-depth investigation into Paula Broadmoor's background, VERY interesting!

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/11/11/a-covert-affair-petraeus-caught-in-the-honeypot/

November 14, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Nice walkback Al. Just like a true Dem."

You can coin it whatever you wish, but I have never disrespected women in here or anywhere else, and have the deepest respect for all but one woman who plays in our little sandbox.

I have nothing to walk back from. I simply didn't choose my words carefully at 2:17 am.

I seem to recall two prominent Republicans who definitely demonstrated walking back on some rather ignorant comments made towards women.

Do the names Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock mean anything to you?

November 14, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
delmar said...

I knew someone would come forward. Shame on you Stewart!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-november-12-2012/spyfall

November 14, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
limric said...

Hasn’t anybody noticed the 900 lb. gorilla - absent from Clay’s cartoon, the entertainment media, those posting here? It is the hugely invasive FBI investigation without evidence of any crime.

[ “As has been reported, the FBI investigation began when Jill Kelley, as the NYT reports (“a very well-known person of influence in the Tampa community,”) – who was friendly with Petraeus (and very cozy with Gen. John Allen, manager of the Afghanistan money pit in) - received some anonymous emails that she found vaguely threatening. She then informed a friend who was an FBI agent, and an FBI (KGB-ish) investigation was launched that set out to determine the identity of the anonymous mailer.”

“Then the FBI engaged in unwarranted (key word!) surveillance, for no reason other than a favor for a friend. The emails Kelley received had NO national security implications, there was NO criminal activity, and there was NOTHING that warranted an investigation at all, let alone one by the FBI.” ]

The real story isn’t infidelity. What demands true media investigation (don’t hold your breath) isn’t Petraeus, but the ever tightening tentacles of an ‘in your face’ - unanswerable/ unaccountable surveillance/police state.

Open the *PDF link below. You might not like what you find. There’s no virus’s imbedded.

https://www.privacyinternational.org/sites/privacyinternational.org/files/file-downloads/phrcomp_sort_0.pdf

P.S. Then again; maybe it’s just a slow cycle since the election. The media (now bored) looked in the phone book for something to write about. Their eyes widened as they noticed the CIA, FBI and escort services are located right around “E” for entertainment in the yellow pages. ;-)

November 14, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Pat Roberson defending adultery by blaming the woman. Straight out of the Bible.

Maybe he should blame Gawd's Will.

What's next? The 700 Club declaring Paula Broadmoor a succubus?

Leave it to Pat to prove Gawd's idiots are talking asses.

November 14, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
Walden said...

Al - we are talking about your own inner Misogyny, not Akin's or Mourdock's. Nice try at diversion.

November 14, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "No way this scandal ends well for the Bamster. Not even his state run media can save him from this one. Stay tuned."

On the contrary. This one will not affect him any more than the other hundreds of conspiracy theories floating out there.

You and your fellow anti-Obamans might believe anything written about the man, but the majority of this nation has rejected such nonsense repeatedly and will continue to do so.

November 14, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... libshame: As, once again your desire to be the first wise-azz clouds you reading comprehension. Perhaps you did not notice that I said DIRECTOR Petraeus. Rushing to be kewl does not serve you well, lib."

Don't try to walk back your bullsh*t. It didn't matter if he was DIRECTOR PETRAEUS OR GENERAL PETRAEUS, he became prominent as a BUSH APPOINTEE LONG BEFORE HE WAS AN OBAMA APPOINTEE. So your claim holds no merit. Why don't you just continue to do what you do best-Stand on the sidelines and get your punches in when you think you can? It's about all your comments are good for.

November 14, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
Walden said...

blackwater said " never understood tea bagger outrage in the first place. The loons were claiming that the Petraeus resignation would somehow shield him from testifying before Congress regarding Libya.

You guys know that Congress has subpoena powers, right? They can call anyone to testify anytime on anything. CIA Director Petreaus and private citizen Petreaus are each equally accessible to Congressional inquiry. Always were, always will be. Just like you and me."

That is precisely what I was saying when I mentioned he never stood a chance of not facing the congressional music.

November 14, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Al - we are talking about your own inner Misogyny, not Akin's or Mourdock's. Nice try at diversion."

I don't have any inner Misogyny issues to defend or to divert, and I only brought up those two because you stupidly typed that walking back on comments was akin to being typical of Democrats.

November 14, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.

Harp3339, Feinstein not taking it well? I don' t know who or what you saw, but her reaction is nowhere close to your initial representations. She said something about wishing he had not chosen to resign when she first spoke on it, but later that accepting that he felt it was the right thing to do,and that the president has to accept it.

If she's upset at anything, it's the FBI investigation not being reported to her committee and the idea that he wouldn't be called to testify. I don't see an attack on Petreus in her words.

As for the deductions limit, I consider that to be dishonest pandering myself. If there's a deduction that shouldn't exist, eliminate it (though in your case I believe you oppose all) but the pretending that "tax rates" aren't going up doesn't sit well with me. As for the Laffer curve arguments, I find the pixie-dust of lowering rates to revenue to be inaccurate.

Alprova, welcome to the targeting sights of the attack squad. They don't realize the nature of their attacks discredits them more than you. Take it as a badge of honor.

November 14, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Looks like Obama is cleaning house in the military as a first priority after his "reelection". The MSM is not asking the right questions, just like they did not over Fast & Furious or the Libya Consulate attack. The MSM (Bennett included) is running cover for the Whitehouse.

This is going to be an interesting 4 years. You need to look at every move from this administration considering how a devout Marxist would fundamentally transform this nation and how a supportive media facilitates with their propaganda.

November 14, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Walden said...

Al spoke, "On the contrary. This one will not affect him any more than the other hundreds of conspiracy theories floating out there."

This is not a mere conspiracy theory. This one stinks to high heaven. The timing of events on this is too big to ignore. Petraeus may not have a bombshell to deliver this week, but he is a pretty wounded dog right now. The facts remain that Obama and his minions LIED for weeks about what they knew about the events in Benghazi; all for the sacred cause of being re-elected. This shame shall be exposed.

November 14, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: And your comments are productive?

November 14, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Far-left Pelosi to retain leadership? Now there's a move to work together!! Bwahahahaha

November 14, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "The real story isn’t infidelity. What demands true media investigation (don’t hold your breath) isn’t Petraeus, but the ever tightening tentacles of an ‘in your face’ - unanswerable/ unaccountable surveillance/police state."

One man, with more insight than the entire news machine in this country.

November 14, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
Walden said...

It has always struck me as so funny how male liberals respond to any insinuation of insensitivity towards females. Liberalism is, at it's very core, such a feminine disposition. I couldn't live with myself as a man if I had to constantly check my manhood at the door every time a woman accused me of being anything other than some fuzzy-sweater-wearing navel gazer.

November 14, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Walden said... This is not a mere conspiracy theory. This one stinks to high heaven. The timing of events on this is too big to ignore. Petraeus may not have a bombshell to deliver this week, but he is a pretty wounded dog right now. The facts remain that Obama and his minions LIED for weeks about what they knew about the events in Benghazi; all for the sacred cause of being re-elected. This shame shall be exposed."

WingNuts NEVER LEARN. Keep it up though at least through 2014 when you will lose the House. People are tired of your bullsh*t ignorance but you don't seem to get it. Instead you double down on the ignorance and you come up short. This has about as much chance of being some kind of CONSPIRACY as Stevie Wonder would have of winning the Nascar Cup. In fact, Stevie Wonder would probably have a better chance. LOL

November 14, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: It's staggering the cover you guys give the administration. Staggering. And dangerous.

November 14, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Walden said... "This is not a mere conspiracy theory. This one stinks to high heaven."

This was a political take-down of a high ranking military official. Expect more to come.

November 14, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
alprova said...

HWNBwrote: "Alprova, welcome to the targeting sights of the attack squad. They don't realize the nature of their attacks discredits them more than you. Take it as a badge of honor."

Thank you.

November 14, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
Walden said...

"WingNuts NEVER LEARN. Keep it up though at least through 2014 when you will lose the House. People are tired of your bullsh*t ignorance but you don't seem to get it. Instead you double down on the ignorance and you come up short. This has about as much chance of being some kind of CONSPIRACY as Stevie Wonder would have of winning the Nascar Cup. In fact, Stevie Wonder would probably have a better chance. LOL"

So many words, so little substance. I'd be ashamed too!

November 14, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
Walden said...

HWNB basically said, "Nobody puts Alprova in a corner!"

November 14, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "This is not a mere conspiracy theory. This one stinks to high heaven. The timing of events on this is too big to ignore. Petraeus may not have a bombshell to deliver this week, but he is a pretty wounded dog right now."

Oh...I don't know about that. He's 60 years old and the entire nation knows that he had an affair with a woman 20 years younger than himself.

Representative Eric Cantor sat on those details for more than a month. Why? If this is alleged to be so damaging to the President, why in the world would he have done that?

"The facts remain that Obama and his minions LIED for weeks about what they knew about the events in Benghazi; all for the sacred cause of being re-elected."

No that is not a fact. It is nothing short of right-wing accusation at best. And now that the President has won reelection, the chatter and charges surrounding Benghazi has all but ebbed.

"This shame shall be exposed."

Your opinion is of no consequence.

November 14, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo says "You and your fellow anti-Obamans might believe anything written about the man, but the majority of this nation has rejected such nonsense repeatedly and will continue to do so."

No Alp, the nation just voted on more entitlements. The Nanny state rules and you bandwagon riders are duped. This will all pass. And when it does, it will be mighty.

November 14, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
Walden said...

Albaby said, "Your opinion is of no consequence."

And yours is?

Oh, and by the way, yes it is a fact that the Obama Admin lied about what happened in Benghazi. Pay attention. Susan Rice? Five talking head shows? Obama claims he called it terrorism the next day, yet still sent her out to lie to the press? You cannot spin your way out of this mess.

November 14, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "HWNB basically said, "Nobody puts Alprova in a corner!"..."

Is THAT what you were attempting to do? Clearly you were bored when you decided to begin posting today.

It is amazing, the number of people who have resurfaced in here since the President was reelected.

Sigh....

November 14, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbs appears almost daily with crayon in hand.

November 14, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
tderng said...

Tina french and Justonewoman...and you guys talk bad about the right wing conspiracy nuts? Put down the conspiracy Kool-aid girls,no one wants to put you women into a burka. No one wants to "hide" the women. I guess that you think the woman is totally blameless in this mess.You feminists are always blame the man in these issues as weak willed.It seems that the weak willed one in this instance was THE WOMAN WHO COULDN'T LET GO AND THREATENED AN INNOCENT WOMAN BECAUSE OF HER OWN INSTABILITY!

Blackwater...do you really not see the danger of having someone who is the head of the C.I.A. having an affair? Surely you aren't that dumb. Blackmail by foreign intelligence agencies for sensitive information,such as names of operatives in certain countries,jumps to mind.Please tell me that you aren't that dumb. He did the right thing and resigned before,hopefully,anything negative happened.That remains to be seen.

November 14, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tderng: Leftists only see things one way. And BTW, don't bet on backwater not being that dumb.

November 14, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Albaby said,"

What an interesting choice you made to refer to me. I'm beginning to suspect that you are trolling today as someone else. Having gender identification difficulties, are you?

"Your opinion is of no consequence."

"And yours is?"

I'm not the person attempting to demean the President.

"Oh, and by the way, yes it is a fact that the Obama Admin lied about what happened in Benghazi. Pay attention. Susan Rice? Five talking head shows? Obama claims he called it terrorism the next day, yet still sent her out to lie to the press? You cannot spin your way out of this mess."

You anti-Obamans are amazingly hung up on one word. "Terrorism."

Of course what happened in Benghazi was an act of terrorism. Nobody has ever denied that it wasn't, least of all the President.

The only controversy on the table is what led up to what happened and who did it. Those facts are still under investigation.

Rather than to engage in any debate about "facts" that neither one of us knows for certain, I'm awaiting the final report upon the conclusion of all investigations.

You're so certain that the Obama Administration intentionally misrepresented the facts, when the facts are still in question.

Are you a remote viewer?

November 14, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

There is of course a certain amount of historical irony (horror) in all of this. Read between the lines. Anyone slightly familiar with history might notice a spooky similarity between today's CIA/FBI and the ‘Schutz-Staffel /SturmAbteilung’ rivalry of Germany? Many parallels (hiding in plain sight) with 1930's Germany actually. And all quite frightening.

"Rome (the U.S.) has become a sewer. A kennel of mad dogs." -Lady Antonia "I Claudius"

Sincerely, Ernst Röhm

PS. Limric, your statement, "What demands true media investigation (don’t hold your breath) isn’t Petraeus, but the ever tightening tentacles of an ‘in your face’ - unanswerable/ unaccountable surveillance/police state." is right on. See you in camp.

November 14, 2012 at 11:18 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Limric asked: "Hasn’t anybody noticed the 900 lb. gorilla - absent from Clay’s cartoon, the entertainment media, those posting here? It is the hugely invasive FBI investigation without evidence of any crime."

I think you may be right about this, Limric. When I first read about this incident, I assumed the “threatening” emails referenced in the news articles involved some sort of serious threat, but as more information has become available this doesn’t appear to be the case.

November 14, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
ibshame said...

Looks like Ms. Broadwell was insinuating something that may or may not be true about Benghazi

"Benghazi? Probably not, although the timing has prompted a full-blown eruption in the right-wing fever swamp, as this New Republic compilation shows. Here's a sample tweet of the Petraeus-Benghazi hysteria from conservative pundit Laura Ingraham:

COINCIDENCE?! Petraeus is set to testify NEXT week at a closed door session on Capitol Hill abt Benghazi. Did BHO push him out? This stinks!

— Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) November 9, 2012 Petraeus was slated to testify before a congressional panel later this week on what the CIA knew about the September 11 attack on US installments in the Libyan city of Benghazi, which resulted in the death of US Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other American personnel. Now Petraeus reportedly will not be testifying; acting CIA Director Michael Morell will go in his place.

There is, however, an odd Libya-related twist in the story: In late October, Broadwell gave a lecture at the University of Denver in which she asserted that the CIA "had taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back." She added, "That's still being vetted." It's possible that she had gotten this info from Petraeus—she noted in the same breath that "the challenging thing for General Petraeus is that in his new position he's not allowed to communicate with the press. So he's known all of this." The CIA, however, denies that it ever held any prisoners at Benghazi. The CIA could be expected to deny such an assertion even if it was true. Hence it's unclear whether Broadwell was sharing privileged intelligence or merely passing on bum info from another source, though Fox News today reported that her assertion might have some credence."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/david-petraeus-scandal-explained

November 14, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Obama did in fact deny it was terrorism. That is no longer subject to debate."

Prove it.

November 14, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.
ibshame said...

"JonRoss said... Just watched McCain, Graham, and Ayotte news conference. Let there be no doubt, Barack Hussien Obama is headed to federal prison for a very long stay"

It is astounding the kind of ignorance you display with this comment. What exactly is President Obama suppose to be guilty of? Wing Nuts like you are pathetic, miserable, POS's. It's 1996 all over again only this time it's even worse. It's worse because President Obama had NOTHING TO DO WITH PETRAEUS PLAYING AROUND ON HIS WIFE. PETRAEUS DID THIS ALL ON HIS OWN, NO ONE FORCED HIM TO HAVE AN AFFAIR. In fact, maybe if he had not been pre-occupied with this chic he would have paid more attention to what was going on in Libya.

Let there be NO DOUBT if the wingnut fringe of the Republican Party wants to use someone else's affair as a way to make a connection to President Obama, you will lose big time in 2014 & 2016. You will become as irrelevant and insignificant as the Whig Party of the 1800's. The rest of the country is tired of your bullsh*t.

George W. Bush never spent a day on Capitol Hill explaining all the lies he and his cronies told to lead this country into war in Iraq (which cost the lives of not 4 Americans but over 4000 U.S. soldiers and maimed thousands more for life). All of them should have been prosecuted for War Crimes and should be in jail right now. Wing Nuts are full of "sound and fury signifying nothing."

November 14, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Anyone with 2 neurons knows that Obama's initial reaction precluded terrorism. He was clearly speaking of 911. Listen to it in context.

November 14, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
shoe_chucker said...

http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya. Here is Obama's statement the day after the attack. Clearly Jon Ross and others are mistaken.

November 14, 2012 at 12:44 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 proposes: ML...You could move to France where they have a 75% tax on the wealthy, just the way you like it except that may be a lower rate than you would advocate.

As usual, you’re being a bit disingenuous, Harp3339. While it’s true France is proposing a temporary two-year 75% tax rate for their billionaires, you know that they’re not expecting much revenue to come from the measure since the system in France is based on a residency thing and not citizenship. In other words, if a wealthy person in France doesn’t support the temporary tax increase, they can simply pack-up and pick another country to be their official residence. Personally, I think it’s a rather silly model. Indeed, if we had this kind of system in the U.S. we know where most of the billionaires like Mitt Romney would be residing – the Cayman Islands.

Harp3339 says: “The federal level is the wrong place for these programs. Around one half of each medicare claim dollar is paid with borrowed money. How would you address that problem or do you not consider it a problem? Increasing taxes on a few does not noticeably affect it. . . Etc.”

You’ve got to be kidding me, Harp3339. A united 50 states will always be able to negotiate a much better deal with the greedy health insurance industry than they ever could on an individual basis. As to our long term Medicare woes, I believe our problem is obvious and nothing is going to change as long as we hang on to an amoral health care system beholden to chief executives and stockholders who want to make big profits off of sick people. The U.S. continues to be the only industrialized nation in the world that continues to put corporate profits before the general welfare of its citizenry. How much longer is it going to take for these politicians to acknowledge that it’s wrong to exploit and make profits off of sick people? (Sigh)

November 14, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
NGAdad said...

yeah nooga, JR being an admitted criminal makes it really odd he'd point out other persons alledged actions or omissions.

November 14, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

LittleJohnnyRoss,take your lithium by mouth this time. It won't work in your urethra no matter how hard you try.

November 14, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

The U.S. continues to be the only industrialized nation in the world that continues to put corporate profits before the general welfare of its citizenry. How much longer is it going to take for these politicians to acknowledge that it’s wrong to exploit and make profits off of sick people? (Sigh)

It is a stretch to still call the U.S. a truly industralized country with such a low percentage employment in industrial jobs. We have evolved to a services driven economy which cannot compete in the world market.

The sickness on the health issue is your illness. How long do you think an M.D. would do what they do if unable to make a profit? How many health care workers would be in that field if unable to make a profit? How many home health agencies would there be? Or, should the government be the employer and provide the care? Regulated insurers with competition among them with profits handled like REITS would significantly reduce cost via improved management. We have chased this rabbit before and your position that government should handle all health care providing and management plus R&D is not feasible and, in my opinion and others knowledgeable in the medical field, would reduce quality and increase cost.

November 14, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML....

I wonder if you had a big brother and a nanny that protected you in your younger years which leads you to the belief government should be our big brother and assure we have a nanny state government that takes care of everybody?

November 14, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

I'm curious Johnross, you being a FOX News-humping chickenhawk 'n' all; Does your lower intestine empty directly into your skull? Your history-revising propaganda sounded better in the original language - Reich German.

Don’t enter this battle of wits, intellect or facts with the likes of Alprova, he’ll bang you on the head with a shoe and bury you!

Love, Nikita

November 14, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
ibshame said...

"JonRoss said... This is approaching treason."

You want to know what APPROACHING TREASON is? It's trying to secede from the Union. The last time it was tried hundreds of thousands were killed in a bloody war. The idiots who think the Federal Government is going to allow them to PEACEFULLY leave the Union have a death wish because it is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

In fact, the FBI would do better to be tracking down the idiots who started this bullsh*t to see what connections they might have to foreign terrorists than reading the sick, twisted emails of two women engaged in a cat fight over a man.

It's amazing how all the right wing nuts are always TALKING PATRIOTISM, yet when it comes right down to it they are anything but Patriotic. The results of the election of 2000 were far more contentious than the election of 2012 because of the debacle in Florida. But in the end it was settled by the United States Supreme Court and people who were against Bush learned to adjust. But there was no talk of secession. Four years later, Bush had put the country into an unnecessary war. Thousands of young men and women were being returned home from that war either maimed or in body bags but there was no talk of secession.

Real PATRIOTS who care about their country don't adhere to this kind of bullsh*t ignorance. Those young men and women who gave their lives in Iraq were REAL PATRIOTS. It's highly unlikely any of them ever thought they were fighting so their STATE COULD LEAVE THE UNION.

So when a wing nut talks of something approaching Treason, remember taking up arms against the United States(which is what secession leads to) IS NOT ONLY TREASONOUS BUT THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE ARE NOT PATRIOTS RATHER THEY ARE THE TRUE TRAITORS TO THIS COUNTRY. The outcome of the election has been decided; YOU LOST, GET OVER IT.

November 14, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I back JonRoss. You comrades are in denial.

November 14, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... "Charles Krauthammer said the White House used David Petraeus’s affair to get the CIA director to give testimony about the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that was in line with the administration’s position"

Now is this the same Krauthammer, Faux News Commentator, who predicted Mitt Romney was going to win the election? LOL One would think after the Azz kicking this bunch got with their SURE FIRE ELECTION predictions they would just go somewhere and STFU until all the facts have been presented.

Petraeus is a "Big Boy" it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY AND NOT EVEN A POSSIBILITY he would allow himself to be bullied into the scenario Krauthammer is making up as he goes. But hey you keep posting this bullsh*t because when the truth is finally known it will be as much satisfaction as making fun of you and the rest as it was on ELECTION NIGHT.

November 14, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"I will provide all the information as soon as the investigation is completed" Can you say STONEWALLING" ? What a total load of B.S. from The One that Must Not be Questioned. Pitiful.

November 14, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"I hope and intend to be an even better president in the second term than I was in the first," said the president. I should hope so. This fellow is too funny.

November 14, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

A reporter for the Chicago Tribune congratulated President Obama on winning reelection during a press conference Wednesday at the White House.

Obama called on Christi Parsons, the White House reporter for the Chicago Tribune.

"Thank you, Mr. President," Parsons said. "And congratulations, by the way."

Very professional, lady.

November 14, 2012 at 3 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "alpo you half wit, you prove that obastard claimed it was terrorism."

No, no, no...it doesn't work like that. You claimed that the President DENIED it was a terrorist attack.

If that were remotely true, you would be able to point everyone in the right direction to prove that he did.

Video? Quote?

When did the President EVER deny that the attack in Benghazi was not an act of terrorism?

November 14, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Anyone with 2 neurons knows that Obama's initial reaction precluded terrorism. He was clearly speaking of 911. Listen to it in context."

Well...there you have it. You have as much as admitted that you are gifted with two neurons and it is those two neurons that allowed you to hear or read what it is that you believe the President was referring to.

November 14, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... You mean like the video that President BullSh!t has been humping even after everyone knew it was a lie."

No, I mean like the fun I had on Election Night watching the meltdown of all the Faux News Commentators and not to mention the next day when they were asked how they all got it so WRONG!!. That was the best of all. LMAO at you again.

November 14, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
jesse said...

He never denied it ,he just shucked and jived it!

He tried to mislead the public!

He wasn't under oath so no prosecution BUT!

I voted for Obama BUT anybody that gets on here and says He was truthful and honest w/us about this is full of sh!t! HE WAS TRYING TO COVER HIS AZZ!PERIOT!

November 14, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "I back JonRoss."

But of course you do. You've got as much going on upstairs as he does. You're two peas in a pod.

"You comrades are in denial."

You folks are in for a miserable four years and I must admit, it has been a pleasure to watch you anti-Obamans display symptoms of complete meltdown on a daily basis.

November 14, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Every time I see President BullSh!t written here I cannot help but think about George W Bush. There was a great Tshirt at the time with his picture and underneath was:

BU ll SH it

November 14, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Jesse said He never denied it ,he just shucked and jived it!

And that is true. There is a video on Youtube when the bodies of the 4 killed in Benghazi were brought home, of Secretary Clinton and President Obama speaking. Clinton clearly blames the attacks on the Anti-Muslim video at about 6 min in to the speach. Obama makes mention of tracking down those responsible but makes no mention of the reason for the attack. (shuck and jive here).

Also I want to defend Alprova for a second. He is correct in his earlier post regarding General Patraeus. He was a good man. And Al was good enough to admit he mistyped his intentions regarding the women remark. Don't you guys know how to show mercy? Haven't any of you ever misspoke? Wow the self righteous people on here is ridiculous.

November 14, 2012 at 4:14 p.m.
alprova said...

James Clapper, director of National Intelligence (DNI), has come out swinging against his critics, two weeks after his public affairs director told Fox News that US intelligence had initially labeled the attacks on our Benghazi consulate "spontaneous."

On September 28, the DNI public affairs director explained, "We provided that initial assessment to Executive Branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. As we learned more ... we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists."

Clapper denied that his office had done anything wrong. "The challenge is always a tactical warning, the exact insights ahead of time that such an attack is going to take place and obviously we did not have that," he said, adding, "This gets into the mysteries versus secrets thing. If people don't behave, emit a behavior or talk or something else ahead of time to be detected, it's going to be very hard to predict an exact attack and come up with an exact attack. I flew back to Washington, and I'm reading the media clips about the hapless, hopeless, helpless, inept, incompetent DNI, because I acknowledged publicly that we didn't instantly have that 'God's eye, God's ear' certitude about an event that I mentioned earlier. It made me want to go right back to Australia."

Do you anti-Obamans get it? The intelligence was not there to predict what happened and to react in time to prevent those terrorist attacks.

When James Clapper testifies in front of Congress, the facts above will come out on record.

November 14, 2012 at 4:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Nurse: The self-righteousness is on the left. And ALPO is the biggest gas-bag on this forum. By far.

November 14, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Charles Krauthammer said the White House used David Petraeus’s affair to get the CIA director to give testimony about the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that was in line with the administration’s position.

I assume this was soon after Fox was blathering that Petraeus resigned so he wouldn't have to testify to Congress - although that makes no sense at all (and he is still testifying on Friday.)

So Plan "B" is resigning from the CIA was some sort of perk from the White House for "favorable" testimony?

Really?

I realize the spin machine is a little off kilter after the election smackdown but you kids really need to get a fresh supply "balanced" back in "fairly" soon.

I am looking forward to a half-dozen booze-addled Congress critters trying to resurrect a dead non-issue in front of a phenomenal four-star general - who has nothing to lose and nothing to filter anymore.

Should be a hell of a conversation.

November 14, 2012 at 4:33 p.m.
alprova said...

nurseforjustice wrote: "Also I want to defend Alprova for a second. He is correct in his earlier post regarding General Patraeus. He was a good man. And Al was good enough to admit he mistyped his intentions regarding the women remark. Don't you guys know how to show mercy? Haven't any of you ever misspoke? Wow the self righteous people on here is ridiculous."

Thank you for that. That was very gracious of you, given our disagreements of the past.

I'm not immune from mistyping and failing to make clear what I mean whenever making a point, and neither is anyone else who considers themselves to be human.

I wasn't bothered by Walden's charge that I harbor misogynous thoughts. I know my track record and I know that the regulars in here know the truth as well.

For sure, General Petraeus is a good man who, as a human being, succumbed to temptations that befall many humans. Clearly, he had the good sense to end the affair, and had Paula Broadwell had the same sense of discretion, the world might not have ever known about it.

Thus, I have little doubt that the General will land on his feet somewhere and recover from this. I pray that his wife finds it in her heart to forgive him too for his transgression.

November 14, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

Congress should be a little concerned. Do you know what kind of industrial-grade BS detectors a man can develop after 37 years in the Army?

November 14, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.
jesse said...

The "Oracle of altoona" is a gasbag?? Jack you can't be serious!! Tu que is a case study in "gas bag" BUT alprova comes in a close second!!

November 14, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am pretty sure anyone posting to a comments blog is a citizen in good standing of Gasbagia.

November 14, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
Walden said...

Wow Al. I really touched a chord with you today. In reality it was JustAnotherAngryFeminist and Tina French who called you out. I was just playing around with you because you take yourself so seriously. Lighten up everyone; you too Nurse.

Good night.

November 14, 2012 at 5 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Obama speaks and your 401K goes down the toilet. Just the guy we want at the helm!

I think maybe he should go back to not having press conferences. It would be good if he stopped all of his addresses. The best thing he could do for the country is put it on autopilot and go on vacation for 4 years.

November 14, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"You folks are in for a miserable four years and I must admit, it has been a pleasure to watch you anti-Obamans display symptoms of complete meltdown on a daily basis.--alprova"

Several years ago, I watched a boxing match in which one of the fighters was knocked out in the fifth round. The ref counted him out and his trainer broke out the smelling salts and cold water to help revive the fallen fighter. After being helped to his feet, the fighter staggered around the ring throwing punches wildly into the air. After that little display, he raised his hands in victory. He had no idea that the fight was over and he lost

I have thought about that boxer several times in the last week observing the behavior of the anti-Obama crowd. In the boxer's defense, he had just had the bejeesus knocked out of him by a perfectly thrown right uppercut-left hook combination. Perhaps the right has been knocked silly by that perfectly thrown combination of facts and harsh reality.

November 14, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"grateful you are silly. The American people still control the House of Representatives and have filibuster power in the Senate. That is the harsh reality for obastard.--JonRoss"

Good call Rootin' Tootin' Ross. Double down on the McConnell strategy of priority one being the determination of seeing President Obama being a one-termer. If it ain't broke, we'll bust it up. Keep swinging for the fences.

November 14, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.

Actually, the gerrymandered districts of the House of Representatives have disenfranchised the American People. Just check the total numbers, and then ask yourself why we have such interesting...shapes for elected officials to represent.

Jack_Dennis, thanks again you're continuing to represent the right-wing so well. I suggest you keep doing it, in fact, I recommend you get a job leading the RNC. You're wasting your time posting here day-in and day-out, when you could be in charge of your party's ultimate direction.

November 14, 2012 at 5:40 p.m.
mtngrl said...

You love Obama, JonRoss. Admit it... It seems you can think of nothing but porn when you see the man.

November 14, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO said "You folks are in for a miserable four years and I must admit, it has been a pleasure to watch you anti-Obamans display symptoms of complete meltdown on a daily basis."

No melt down here, gaseous one. The worm will turn.

November 14, 2012 at 6:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Jon Ross, you had your arse handed to you yesterday. Are you back for another round of the same today? Your lies haven't changed at all.

November 14, 2012 at 6:57 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "The American people still control the House of Representatives and have filibuster power in the Senate. That is the harsh reality for obastard."

While that may be one of the more cognitive statements you have typewritten in the past few days, it is not without falsehood.

The American people do not have control of the House of Representatives -- The Republicans do. There is a big difference.

And while the Republicans do retain House domination and Republicans have the ability to filibuster in the Senate, the simple fact is...if they exercise on that power, it will backfire on them horribly.

The American people have made it clear as a bell that they want the Republicans in Congress to end their insistent gridlock attempts. Most Americans are on board with taxes being raised on the wealthiest Americans.

Obama won the election. He ran on a commitment to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans and he intends to follow through with it.

Supply-side, also known as trickle-down economics is a dead issue and all the arguments for the ideal died too, the day that Barack Obamaa was reelected.

Republicans and their Tea-party cohorts are free as a bird to stand in the way of what needs to be done, at their own detriment of course, and recent polls indicate that if no progress is made on alleviating the fiscal cliff by the end of the year, it won't be Barack Obama who will be blamed.

It will be Congressional Republicans who will take the hit.

That is a reality that no one can refute.

November 14, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "No melt down here, gaseous one. The worm will turn."

The worm will turn? Whatever could you mean by that?

I know you fancy yourself as a man of the world, filled with thoughts and ideals. The reality is that you portray yourself much like a minute, yapping dog.

You dance and prance around, nipping at everyone's feet whom you do not have a favorable relationship with. You pant and lick the faces of the whining kook fringe who hang out in here, all while proclaiming yourself to be a fence sitter.

When it is all said and done, you're demeanor in this forum has exposed you to be nothing short of a very large void surrounded by a very constrictive sphincter muscle.

Turn your worm in that until it makes you scream with pleasure.

November 14, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.

JonRoss, why are you trying so hard to make Obama look good?

November 14, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

The math is pretty simple.

Without a deal on taxes, the sequester will go into effect. There will be a market reaction - sooner, rather than later. Your 401k will shrink.

Industries related to defense will immediately begin laying off workers. Larger industries will budget conservatively for 2013 because of large uncertainties in their forecasts.

And all of this is still less damaging than if the Republicans do not make a deal on taxes.

The long-term damage from the deficits will outweigh the short-term pain from the fiscal cliff.

It won't be pretty and it certainly isn't necessary.

But there are just enough stubborn fools in Congress that it may be the road we take.

November 14, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Do Republicans have NOTHING better to do? Like maybe help manage the country?

November 14, 2012 at 7:49 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

There is one single fact. Republicans LOST on 11.6... Enjoy.

November 14, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Republicans... the party of losers!

November 14, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Maybe Republicans will Self Deport.

November 14, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
ricardo said...

JonRoss said..."But not to fear, you will be getting your birth control free soon." November 14, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.

Your mom should have gotten hers before you were spawned.

November 14, 2012 at 8 p.m.
ricardo said...

I voted for him. I support him. If you don't, why don't join the rest of the secessionists and leave.

November 14, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
tderng said...

stanleyyelnats said... Maybe Republicans will Self Deport.

if so their money and work ethic goes too. Who will pay for the free stuff then?

November 14, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.
ricardo said...

JonRoss said..."It is obastard who has seceeded. When you sit and watch an American ambassador being butchered by jihadists and does nothing"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/19/benghazi-attack-suspects-drones

November 14, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
ricardo said...

I can see that you are irrational and that no explanation that defends Obama will suffice, so I won't waste my time trying to debate you.

I can see that losing this election is very hard for you to take. You must feel very insecure now and afraid for your future. If it makes you feel any better, go ahead and sign another online secession petition or post another "obastard" rant. It will be okay. The sun will rise tomorrow morning and Obama will still be your president. Have a good evening.

November 14, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ibshame asked: “Now is this the same Krauthammer, Faux News Commentator, who predicted Mitt Romney was going to win the election?”

I believe Krauthammer is full of himself, Ibshame. He’s also less than straightforward. Indeed, it was only a few months ago that he tried to whitewash the fact that seven U.S. Embassies And Consulates Were Attacked Under the George W. Bush administration:

2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked

2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan.

2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia.

2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria.

2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens.

2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia.

2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/09/14/krauthammer-whitewashes-bushs-history-to-bash-o/189890

November 14, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Say there littlejohnnyross, if you so worried about the economy and what it's doing to people's 401Ks, what don't you man up and pay all those people and creditors you stiffed in your bankruptcies? Or were they all Obamists?

What's that Littlejohnnyross? You don't work? You collecting welfare, disability, or just still sucking on the public teat?

November 14, 2012 at 8:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Well said Ricardo.

The bottom line to all that has transpired over the past week is that the President won his reelection bid, the world will indeed go on as it always has, and the American people will go on about their lives largely unaffected.

I suppose that we'll just have to endure the Chicken Little's rants and raves. At least that's what I'm going to do. Clearly they are offered as troll posts, just to see what kind of crap can be stirred up.

I too am not going to argue with the idiots, the fakers, and those with severe personality disorders. It's their problem to deal with.

Nothing any of them types will affect a soul on Earth, unless someone lets them.

So post away trolls.

November 14, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO is a big meanie. hahahahaha You self-absorbed pile of it. I bet your employees (if you have any) laugh their asses off at you behind your back.

November 14, 2012 at 9:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

We are rich with trolls today. That's a pity. There have been some interesting discussions here.

November 14, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
rumrunr said...

Jack_Dennis: I run a small plumbing and heating company , and i can assure you that MY employees were as happy as i was to see the potus re-elected. they only laugh at court jesters, aka, republicans. the working man (small business owners included) knows who best serves our great nation.

November 14, 2012 at 9:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

JonRoss... I keep hearing all this jailbird talk about you, and all this bankruptcy talk about you, but I never hear you refute these accusations. Are you a criminal? Are you a deadbeat? Stand up for yourself! Is this a case of mistaken identity, or are you the louse that these people say you are?

November 14, 2012 at 9:38 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "ALPO is a big meanie. hahahahaha You self-absorbed pile of it. I bet your employees (if you have any) laugh their asses off at you behind your back."

Jack_ you impotent old lard ass, you don't hold a candle to alprova. He is infinitely more organized and disciplined than you. You strike me as the type who wears clothes 3 days in a row.

November 14, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
raygunz said...

A tanning salon owner in Key West who blamed the president for his personal problems has killed himself after writing “F#ck Obama” on his will. Anybody seen jones/francis lately?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/14/key-west-man-writes-fck-obama-on-will-and-then-kills-himself/

November 14, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Now Littlejohnnyross is a victim? Lived hand to mouth? Lived through Watergate like he was in Vietnam fighting Commies? That was hell, wasn't it Little Johnnyross, watching that TV? Did you get any medals for that bravery? Were you afraid the Watergate Plumbers were going to bayonet-charge your living room? Ha-Ha-ha! What a self-important, delusional, petty little weasel.

I can imagine the spittle on his screen, eyes rolling in the back of his head, and the schizoid seizures he has everyday in his sad, bankrupt, worthless little life where his biggest decision is how many Depends he'll go through that day.

I'm betting it's a lot — more than ten at the rate of his daily self-induced, broken-record mental squirts.

November 14, 2012 at 11:04 p.m.
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