published Wednesday, October 31st, 2012

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about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

See FEMA cuts in sequestration.

October 31, 2012 at 12:04 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Big government doesn't sound like a bad thing right about now for those victims. God, the Katrina response was disgusting and embarrassing. I hope these folks are getting the help they need.

October 31, 2012 at 12:14 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Good heavens. . . I think I know the name of that guy floating in that life preserver ring. . . Yes, indeed, I do . . . Hang on, Harp3339. . . We'll save you.

October 31, 2012 at 12:14 a.m.
hambone said...

Gov. Cristie has really been praising Obama today.

Wonder if Mitt feels like he's being two timed!

October 31, 2012 at 12:23 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Hambone said: "Wonder if Mitt feels like he's being two timed!"

I doubt that Romney feels anything. . . And we know from the Republican National Convention that he’s not concerned about weather changes or the rise of the oceans. . . Attitudinally, Romney thinks Gov. Cristie should handle his own hurricane and storm surge.

October 31, 2012 at 12:39 a.m.
ricardo said...

So now it's time to redistribute the wealth from the rest of the country to help the people in New Jersey. Or maybe this should be a problem left to the states?

October 31, 2012 at 12:50 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

ROMNEY WATCH a continuing series…

If you don’t like what Mitt is saying just wait 15 minutes.

Trying to justify the biggest tax cut yet for wealthiest 1% is difficult when you spell out for people what it means. That’s why Mitt is deliberately vague on the details and why he keeps changing his story. I don’t know who he is, I don’t know what he believes, and I don’t want to wait until after he’s in the White House to find out.

During a republican primary debate, Mitt was asked by CNN’s John King if he agreed with those he thought hurricane disaster relief should be turned over to the States.

"Absolutely," Romney said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better."

The Romney campaign tried to explain away those remarks, even though Ryan’s Budget calls for deeper cuts than congressional sequestration.

A Romney spokesman tried to spin the statement this way: "As the first responders, states are in the best position to aid affected individuals and communities, and to direct resources and assistance to where they are needed most. This includes help from the federal government and FEMA."

Wait, what? Isn’t that the way it runs now? What happened to the State’s Rights guy? I guess that’s what happens when severely conservative Mitt collides with newly moderate Mitt.

So, what does this guy stand for?

What a buffoon. I could carve a better man out of a banana.

October 31, 2012 at 1:13 a.m.
miraweb said...

We do help and we should help. There are some narcissistic jerks out there (that hedge fund analyst/GOP consultant who was writing fake tweets about damage in NYC comes to mind) but we are a generous nation who is rightfully outraged if our own go uncared for, especially during disaster or tragedy.

I have the highest respect for the FEMA teams that have been away from home since Friday, the coasties that rescued the crew of the Bounty, the firefighters in Long Island, and the cops that are keeping people away from that falling crane.

The National Weather Service saved thousands of lives by just doing their jobs.

I have no problem with my tax dollars helping to restore businesses to life, getting food to the families in the region, and covering the medical bills of the injured who happen to have Medicare or Medicaid.

We are a decent and generous people. Always have been. Always will be.

October 31, 2012 at 1:20 a.m.

ricardo, that would be a long time in coming. According to this page:

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/why-do-some-states-feast-federal-spending-not-others

They're about 20 billion to the good.

October 31, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.
miraweb said...

Federal vs state is another false choice as is public vs private or spending cuts vs tax increases.

In emergencies the states tell the federal government what help the state needs. The federal government has resources that no single state could deliver on its own and gets them there.

A good governor working with a good president can move heaven and earth..

We've seen it work badly in Katrina and we've seen it work well. When it isn't working right the whole country demands better.

As it should.

October 31, 2012 at 1:38 a.m.
hambone said...

Too Qute aka Richard Head

October 31, 2012 at 6:43 a.m.
EaTn said...

A picture is worth a thousand words--the thousands of pictures of the Sandy disaster should shout loudly on who best be President in this type situation.

October 31, 2012 at 6:55 a.m.
MTJohn said...

hambone said..."Gov. Cristie has really been praising Obama today.

Wonder if Mitt feels like he's being two timed!"

The country is being two-timed every time Mitt opens his mouth. Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up.

October 31, 2012 at 7:13 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. Regarding your "You're completely denying that God, if the Bible is true and correct and to be taken literally, took the life of innocent people who had nothing at all to do with those "sinful men?'"

No, God did not take innocent life!

As I have already noted, when Adam sinned ALL humanity inherited a sin nature

Romans 5: 12- 14 : Wherefore , as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned : 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come .

October 31, 2012 at 7:58 a.m.
jesse said...

I do believe that conservative's lunatic rantings have driven Alprova into hiding!LOL

man needs to be in a rubber room somewhere!

October 31, 2012 at 8:10 a.m.
degage said...

Mira, you live in Mass, how did you end up on a tennesee forum? A Mass liberal helping out the conservative state of tenn. liberals?

October 31, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
timbo said...

blackwater48....Your an arrogant idiot. Romney a buffoon? Someone as smart and successful as Romney compared to that nothing piss ant president who never accomplished anything in his life. You must be on drugs.

You are just proving you are a conniving partisan who probably works in some way with the democrat party. That was the dumbest comment I have read on this site.

By any objective standard, you might not agree with Romney but he has been a smart, successful, good man in his life. To say otherwise makes you look even more evil, childish, and especially foolish.

October 31, 2012 at 8:47 a.m.
delmar said...

Thanks for reminding me conservative, the greatest story ever told is on tonight.

http://abc.go.com/shows/its-the-great-pumpkin-charlie-brown

October 31, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. Regarding your "Why not face the fact that the Bible is not the word or the work of God? Contradictions are contained throughout the Bible. It has been loosely translated by imperfect men, each with their own opinions inserted when translation into the English language was difficult."

The original Scriptures were written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. I am not a Bible scholar but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of the original manuscripts.

Of course they had to be translated into our language and other languages around the world. Thousands of scholars have worked from these manuscripts. Volumes have been written on each Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic word as to their usage and meaning at the time that they were written and in use. We also have many secular writings using the same words.

All of the reputable translations are in agreement. Christians have no problem believing we have accurate translations.

BTW, There has to be atheists who know Greek. Why aren't they translating and revealing the so called contradictions and lies?

October 31, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah dupe, the response to Katrina was disgusting and embarrassing. The liberal mayor of New Orleans and the liberal governor of Louisiana did a horrible job.

October 31, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

As for MThead:

Obama's Flip Flops: Who Is Barack Obama??

You can watch this video while you eat your crow.

October 31, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

toiletwater calls Romney a buffoon.

FEMA, W.H. send storm victims to Internet

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83024.html?hp=l10

Obama is an abject moron.

October 31, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Tzn5...

Too bad no life saver existed for Amb Stevens, etal, in Benghazi.

October 31, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Backwater48: What else can you do with that banana?

October 31, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Leno: 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell Is Back - It's Obama's New Policy For Questions About Libya'

October 31, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
tderng said...

hambone said..."Gov. Cristie has really been praising Obama today.

Wonder if Mitt feels like he's being two timed!"

That's the difference between the right and the left. A conservative will give credit where credit is due. Whereas a liberal will use a tragedy to belittle his/her opponent. Who was it that said never let a crisis go to waste? Oh yeah Rahm Emanuel. (enough said)

October 31, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
Leaf said...

Alprova, you evil godless heathen. The following quote from my holy book will save your soul and convert you into a Republican, er, I mean, Christian. If it seems crazy then you aren't believing hard enough.

"Leaf 2: 10-14: And whoever shall forsaketh thy bretheren in his hour of need, yea verily even unto the frothy seas, and unto the blustery heavens, then shall he be inconvenienced with long bank lines. Verily I say unto you, that he who quotes interminable nonsense shall be devoured by the beast of Hamilton, which is the School Board, and shall be spit up dead upon Rock City. And whosoever shall ambivalently say the phrase "communist/fascist" shall be cleaved in twain and then shall be set upon a pike at the temple gates and stoned."

October 31, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
shen said...

The federal government turned healthcare for the poor over to the state. What have they done? Denied healthcare to some poor, firghten others away from applying by arresting a few and charging them with fraud, some as old as 70 years and more, then diverting that money they save, but still get from the federal government to care for the poor, for pet projects.

October 31, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tdemg: well said

October 31, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
mymy said...

hambone said..."Gov. Cristie has really been praising Obama today.

Wonder if Mitt feels like he's being two timed!"

Christie is doing his job as Gov. for the people of NJ and if he has to kiss ass he will!!!

TOES02800 said...

"Yeah dupe, the response to Katrina was disgusting and embarrassing. The liberal mayor of New Orleans and the liberal governor of Louisiana did a horrible job."

Libs never accept the truth!!

WOW!

6 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 31, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
mymy said...

degage said...

Mira, you live in Mass, how did you end up on a tennesee forum? A Mass liberal helping out the conservative state of tenn. liberals?

degage: Now we know what is wrong with her.

October 31, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
chatt_man said...

Extremism on both sides has gotten to the point that few reasonable conversations can be had. Liberals say that conservatives want to starve kids, throw granny off the cliff, and anything else to make a buck. When all conservatives want is for people to have and feel self worth, by working if they're able, freedom of religion if you don't regulate Christianity, and realize there are some less fortunate that do need help.

Then conservatives say liberals want to abolish religion (excuse me, only Christianity), raise generations of families to be dependant on the government, use other peoples money to fix their problems, and pay no attention to the debt that could impact the sovereignty of our nation. When all liberals really want to do is...well, I guess I've covered it.

October 31, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. Regarding your "Why not face the fact that the Bible is not the word or the work of God? Contradictions are contained throughout the Bible."

Oh really?

2 Timothy 3:16- All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You see alprova, ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God!

October 31, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
patriot1 said...

TOES: I saw the article where FEMA and WH were sending storm victims to the internet.....Thank goodness algore created the internet.

October 31, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Kevin Drum’s has posted an interesting little study:

“FEMA: A Case Study in the Difference Between Democrats and Republicans”

“At a deep ideological level, Republicans believe that federal bureaucracies are inherently inept, so when Republicans occupy the White House they have no interest in making the federal bureaucracy work. And it doesn't. Democrats, by contrast, take government services seriously and appoint people whose job is to make sure the federal bureaucracy does work. And it does.”

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum

October 31, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah, Obama's so damn stupid that he forgot about the fact that in order to get on the internet, you need a little thing called....ELECTRICITY!!

What a bunch of morons up at the white house.

Maybe that's why we still see no college scores from the bonehead.

October 31, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BUFFOON IS THE CORRECT WORD

A buffoon is a person who amuses others by ridiculous or odd behavior. How else could you define Romney?

He’s running TV ads in Ohio claiming that HE will be the champion of the automobile industry! He also claimed that Jeep is closing its plant in Ohio and shipping jobs to China, based on the Jeep announcement that they were adding 1,100 new jobs.

LMAO!

First he was pro-life, now he says he would sign legislation to outlaw abortion with no exceptions. He has made multiple statements on this issue but he did tell Mike Huckabee, on TV, that he would ‘absolutely’ sign such a bill. I’m sure anyone can find statements to the contrary but such is level of Romney buffoonery.

First he passed a healthcare reform bill in Massachusetts featuring the individual mandate. Now he wants to repeal Obamacare because it features the individual mandate.

I’m limited to 3,000 words but you get the idea.

Who is this guy? I repeat, can anyone explain Romney’s core beliefs beyond promising the biggest tax cut for the rich? Which he will directly benefit from?

I don’t know why the democrats aren’t running TV ads featuring Romney debating himself. They just need to run clips of Mitt taking the opposite position on scores of issues. They have unlimited examples.

You guys really want to elect another republican who promises to cut taxes, increase defense spending, and balance the budget?

ROTFLMAO!

October 31, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Why to leftists assume that nothing can be handled without the federal government getting involved? You know, if the feds did not consume 23% of the entire economy we would all be able to take care of ourselves just fine. Talk about an "overhead problem".

October 31, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

backwater: You honestly think Romney wants to cut taxes on the rich so as to help himself?? You're blinded by ideology, bub.

October 31, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Chilling thought . . . Mark Kleinman is right:

"Think about how much worse Sandy could have been without NASA and NOAA.

Like FEMA, they’re all “discretionary non-defense spending,”

and they’d all take huge hits under the Ryan budget."

http://www.samefacts.com/2012/10/disasters/not-just-fema/

October 31, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
timbo said...

blackwater48....said like a true democrat operative. Why don't you reveal your true title?

October 31, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"It seems like people do not learn from the past"

October 31, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative said..."The original Scriptures were written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. I am not a Bible scholar but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of the original manuscripts."

You are right about not being a Bible scholar. You are wrong about the original manuscripts. There are zero "original" manuscripts. The oldest manuscripts are copies of copies of copies, etc. probably preceded by oral tradition, with the oldest OT manuscripts dating to about 500 BC and the oldest NT manuscripts dating to about the third century A.D.

I agree with you that all Scripture is inspired. However, a couple of things are important when we talk about inspiration. First, there is a difference between divine inspiration and divine dictation. Second, we accept Scripture as God's inspired Word on the basis of faith - not on the basis of fact. We cannot prove it on the basis of the archaeological record and we should stop trying. Moreover, if we could prove it with the archeaological record, we would not need faith to hold it as truth and, therefore, it would not be.

October 31, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
MTJohn said...

FEMA might be the point of this conversation, but there is another government function that deserves a lot of credit in the middle of this crisis. Imagine the loss of life that would have occurred if the National Weather Service did not exist or if it functioned like Bain Capital.

My apology to MountainLaurel. I did not see that she had posted the same thought before I did.

October 31, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
EaTn said...

BRP---the Thomas Peterffy (??) video really has outlived its time and is getting to smell like old fish. An old strong accent dude trying to convince folks that letting the rich get richer will help the poor. This scenario track record under President Bush should speak much louder than this dude's absurd video. And the video does not make clear who is really footing the ad bills.

October 31, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Shen said: “The federal government turned healthcare for the poor over to the state. What have they done? Denied healthcare to some poor, firghten others away from applying. . . then diverting that money they save, but still get from the federal government to care for the poor, for pet projects.”

Yes, indeed, Shen. . . And I think most of us know how some of those crazy state representatives would be spending their portion of the FEMA funds. . . Instead of teams of “First Responders” there would be “First Posses” out looking for all those poor folks they claim caused the hurricanes, tornadoes, and storm surge disasters:

“The Eastern seaboard may have yet to experience the full wrath of Hurricane Sandy, but one right-wing Christian preacher is already pointing the finger at the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/hurricane-sandy-gays-same-sex-marriage-obama-romney_n_2038781.html

October 31, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

EaTn said... "the Thomas Peterffy (??) video really has outlived its time and is getting to smell like old fish. An old strong accent dude trying to convince folks that letting the rich get richer will help the poor. This scenario track record under President Bush should speak much louder than this dude's absurd video. And the video does not specfy who is footing the ad bills."

Like he said, "It seems like people do not learn from the past". Leftists are bound and determined to repeat the failed experiment of socialism as many times as it takes. Why can't they learn? Don't listen to someone who has already lived through what you want to put us through, trust you, Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, alprova, blackwater. You will get it right this time. You only need the "right people" involved. But the "right people" disguise their true agenda and lie through their teeth nearly every time they open their mouths. Yeah, right. Go ahead and drag us down that path once again EaTn!

October 31, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?!

Jack said, “backwater: You honestly think Romney wants to cut taxes on the rich so as to help himself?? You're blinded by ideology, bub.”

If you prefer I’ll call it an unintended benefit.

Timbo added, “blackwater48.... said like a true democrat operative. Why don't you reveal your true title?” Is that all you got? Both of you guys are buffoons, too. You can’t explain how THIS TIME another republican will cut taxes, increase defense spending and balance the budget. That’s how we got in this mess. Repeating the same experiment and expecting a different result is madness. Attack me all you want. I find it amusing.

Why don’t you join Romney and wear a jester’s hat and a big red nose?

C’mon Jack. Start using THAT avatar.

October 31, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “Why to leftists assume that nothing can be handled without the federal government getting involved?”

Aren't you overlooking something important in this discussion, BRP?

FEMA doesn’t get involved until a governor of the state in which the disaster occurs has declare a state of emergency and makes a formal request from the president that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster.

October 31, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
EaTn said...

BRP---do we learn from the past? The next election will tell whether the lessons of President Bush has faded from voters memory or not. Romney is a Bush-makeover.

October 31, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said..."Why to leftists assume that nothing can be handled without the federal government getting involved?"

BRP - private enterprise can do lots of things well and without government involvement. However, serving the public interest is NOT one of those things because, in the free-market economy, selfish interest always takes precedent.

October 31, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "Aren't you overlooking something important in this discussion, BRP?"

How did the country survive before Jimmy Carter created FEMA? We as a country seem to look to the federal government to solve nearly every problem. Sure it now exists and a Governor would be kind of crazy not to try to tap into the federal monies that are made available. Why not tap into the money that was originally taken from the citizens of the states?

That does not mean that we should so recklessly continue to hand power over to a centralised government. We don't need to encourage the beast, it does a very effective job of expanding its power on its own. We should be challenging every expansion of power, not robotically celebrating it.

October 31, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

EaTn said... "do we learn from the past? The next election will tell whether the lessons of President Bush has faded from voters memory or not. Romney is a Bush-makeover."

I doubt you can find an example of me cheer-leading for Romney. He is not all that different from Obama. Obama is not all that different from Bush.

October 31, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. Regarding your "Why not face the fact that the Bible is not the word or the work of God? Contradictions are contained throughout the Bible."

No "contradictions" alprova. They only seem so to the natural man and to atheists who constantly lie.

1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned .

October 31, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Backwater: No problem, son. You apparently can't help being a narrow minded, leftist hack. To each his own. Blind is blind.

You southpaws are really getting desperate now....dissing car salesman, old people, etc....too funny. Reality setting in.

October 31, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Dear MSM - After we throw Obama and his corrupt regime out of office next week, we're taking aim at an even bigger threat to America: YOU.

October 31, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

Jack responded with typical tea bagger zeal:

“You apparently can't help being a narrow minded, leftist hack. To each his own. Blind is blind.”

And stupid is stupid, Jack.

You’re as good as Romney at avoided questions you can’t answer. Yesterday Mitt was asked about 14 times what he would do about FEMA if he were elected.

He said nothing.

He needed time to go back to campaign headquarters to get the latest focus group results to form a politically expedient response.

Why would you believe another republican who tells you he’s going to balance the federal budget by cutting taxes and increasing defense spending?

Mitt brags about his business experience in the private sector, but so did George W. Bush, our first MBA president.

Yet another buffoon.

October 31, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot asks: “How did the country survive before Jimmy Carter created FEMA? We as a country seem to look to the federal government to solve nearly every problem.”

As I understand it, disasters were dealt with in a piecemeal approach:

“Established in an Executive Order by President Jimmy Carter, FEMA consolidated many federal emergency management programs, agencies and functions that had been in the Federal Insurance Administration, the National Fire Prevention and Control Administration, the National Weather Service Community Preparedness Program, the Federal Preparedness Agency of the General Services Administration and the Federal Disaster Assistance Administration activities from Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Also civil defense responsibilities also were transferred to the new agency from the Defense Department's Defense Civil Preparedness Agency.

FEMA can loosely trace its beginnings to the Congressional Act of 1803. This act, generally considered the first piece of disaster legislation, provided assistance to Portsmouth, N.H., following an extensive fire. In the century that followed, ad hoc legislation was passed more than 100 times in response to hurricanes, earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters. By the 1930s, the federal approach to problems became popular, but it continued to be a piecemeal approach to disaster assistance. Eventually, this prompted legislation requiring greater cooperation between federal agencies and authorized the president to coordinate these activities, thus FEMA was born.

In March 2003, FEMA joined 22 other federal agencies, programs and offices in becoming the Department of Homeland Security. The new department brought a coordinated approach to national security from emergencies and disasters – both natural and man-made. FEMA continues to evolve and strengthen – leading and supporting the nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.”

http://www.citizencorps.gov/news/press/2009/FEMA-30thAnniversary.shtm

October 31, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, get help. The bible is inconsistent. You've been shown that it is so, and given explanations as to why. It's okay. Move on.

October 31, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

backwater48: An Obama supporter should be the last one talking about dodging questions.

October 31, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

White House spokesperson Jay Carney advises that in the spirit of Halloween, President Obama will dress as a President tonite.

October 31, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tu_q: Those pesky facts.

October 31, 2012 at 2 p.m.
Greyhawk said...

To those who believe the states should be in charge of disaster relief I'd like to remind them of the old saying that, "When a man is hip pockets deep in alligators it is difficult to remember that his original job was to drain the swamp." Most of New Jersey is paralyzed, parts of New York are in the same condition. There is the need for a large effort from outside both states. This is what Americans do. The stricken states cannot do the job, private corporations would be looking to make a profit and do all of the shortcuts they could. Remember the reaction of the country to the inept job done after Katrina. Some Americans believe they are completely self-sufficient but it just ain't so. "No man is an island."

October 31, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
tipper said...

A vote for Romney is a vote for....................?

October 31, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.
miraweb said...

I'm here for the same reason that the rest of you ought to be: I am a big fan of Clay Bennett's cartoons.

I've been following Clay's cartoons since his pre-TFP days.

I consider him an American treasure.

October 31, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tipper: saving the republic

October 31, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: You're just joking, right?

October 31, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.
miraweb said...

Not at all. What I can't figure out is why BRP hangs out here everyday.

October 31, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "2 Timothy 3:16- All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

"You see alprova, ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God!"

Ah...inspiration. What an interesting word. If that is your assessment of the Bible, I thank you very much for your affirmation of my original position, for that word supports it 100%.

You claimed the Bible to be 100% God's word. If all scripture is inspired, then the Bible is a work of creation.

inspiration:

1.) stimulation to do creative work: stimulation for the human mind to creative thought or to the making of art

2.) somebody or something that inspires: somebody or something that inspires somebody to creative thought or to the making of art

3.) creativeness: the quality of being stimulated to creative thought or activity, or the manifestation of this

From Mirriam-Webster:

a: a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him or her to receive and communicate sacred revelation

b: the action or power of moving the intellect or emotions

c: the act of influencing or suggesting opinions

October 31, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

I think I would like a copy of the Book of Leaf on my shelf.

October 31, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
chatt_man said...

blackwater - you say that Romney had to go back and get a focus group together to answer the FEMA question? Is that what Obama was doing while 4 Americans were getting killed in Benghazi, some as late as hours later?

October 31, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
alprova said...

EaTN wrote: "And the video does not make clear who is really footing the ad bills."

He claims to have made the video himself and to have paid for the running of it all over the place. CNN for one, has been running that particular ad every fifteen minutes for weeks.

He is the founder and head of Interactive Brokers, and he developed and designed modern software used to do electronic trading of shares on Wall Street.

As of September 2012, he is worth $4.6 billion, thus making him the 77th richest person in the United States.

October 31, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

Yeah - I think I've been posting here longer than just about everyone except Alprova, Andrew Lohr, and Rolando.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2009/aug/29/ouija-board/?opinioncartoons

October 31, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Like he said, "It seems like people do not learn from the past". Leftists are bound and determined to repeat the failed experiment of socialism as many times as it takes. Why can't they learn? Don't listen to someone who has already lived through what you want to put us through, trust you, Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, alprova, blackwater. You will get it right this time."

Sir, I can't attest to the hearts of others, but I for one am not an advocate for pure Socialism. I absolutely support Capitalism, so long as it is controlled to prevent victimization, and it should be combined with programs that embrace Socialism only for those who are unable to support themselves.

Those unable to support themselves include the elderly, the sick, the disabled, and children.

October 31, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
miraweb said...

Trust me - if I wanted to be an election keyboard monkey I would go to a swing state, like Ohio.

Tennessee? Nah.

October 31, 2012 at 2:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Heard on the radio this morning that fine Arabian horse enthusiast and former FEMA head Michael Brown is now a radio jock in Denver. He popped his sad little head up today to say that he thought the response was "too fast."

The current head of FEMA, Craig Fugate, is a seasoned firefighter and paramedic who cut his teeth managing the hurricane season response in Florida as the head of their Emergency Management Agency before he was tapped for the top job.

Just because you know a little about horses doesn't mean you know anything about running a disaster response.

Even if your horse can dance.

October 31, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
Leaf said...

"You're doing a great job, Brownie."

October 31, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

I did see an ad today from American Crossroads that was a definate swing and a miss.

The dialogue indicates the woman talking is struggling and her family just can't afford what's going on any longer.

The visuals show an attractive actress in an $80 hair cut using an iPad overtop of a granite countertop in what appears to be a 600 square foot kitchen.

They did give her an immaculately pressed blue shirt overshirt that I suppose is suppose to represent some sort of working class wardrobe option.

If you're sitting mid-morning in your kitchen flicking your iPad as you worry about the family finances:

1) Buy fewer high-end electronics

2) Look for a job

3) Sell the McMansion and get something to live in you can afford.

Can't figure out where Karl Rove was going with that one. It's a really bad mis-match between the dialogue and the visual subtext.

October 31, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. Regarding your "Ah...inspiration. What an interesting word. If that is your assessment of the Bible, I thank you very much for your affirmation of my original position, for that word supports it 100%"

No, I cited Scripture : "2 Timothy 3:16- All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

I am now certain that you are extremely unacquainted with the Bible. You obviously have gone to sources that are hostile to God for your information. You have adopted a meaning of "inspiration" that is different from Scripture.

Scripture interprets Scripture :

2 Peter 1:20-21 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Here is a wonderful positional statement from gty.org :

We teach that God spoke in His written Word by a process of dual authorship. The Holy Spirit so superintended the human authors that, through their individual personalities and different styles of writing, they composed and recorded God's Word to man (2 Peter 1:20 21) without error in the whole or in the part (Matthew 5:18; 2 Timothy 3:16). We teach that, whereas there may be several applications of any given passage of Scripture, there is but one true interpretation. The meaning of Scripture is to be found as one diligently applies the literal grammatical historical method of interpretation under the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit (John 7:17; 16:12 15; 1 Corinthians 2:7 15; 1 John 2:20). It is the responsibility of believers to ascertain carefully the true intent and meaning of Scripture, recognizing that proper application is binding on all generations. Yet the truth of Scripture stands in judgment of men; never do men stand in judgment of it.

October 31, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "No "contradictions" alprova. They only seem so to the natural man and to atheists who constantly lie."

No contradictions exist in the Bible? There are thousands of them, but I'll cite just five;

Genesis 2:17 - Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit. Genesis 5:5 - Adam lived 930 years.

Genesis 10:5, 20, 31 - There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11:1 - There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.

Genesis 16:15, 21:1-3, Galatians 4:22 - Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Hebrews 11:17 - Abraham had only one son.

Exodus 3:1 - Jethro was the father-in-law of Moses. Numbers 10:29, Judges 4:11 - Hobab was the father-in-law of Moses.

Exodus 20:14 - God prohibits adultery. Hosea 1:2 - God instructs Hosea to "take unto thee a wife of whoredoms."

BONUS;

Revelations 8:7 - All of the grass on earth is burned up, and then... Revelations 9:4 - An army of locusts, which is about to be turned loose on the earth, is instructed not to harm the grass.

October 31, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
miraweb said...

TOES - I have an UPS battery and a landline that lets me get internet even when the power is off. If you have a cable modem, that may not work.

The truth is, there will be a lot of rebuilding going on even after the lights are back on.

Recovery websites and social media tools, including Facebook, are actually quite important in disaster response. The professionals are using them just as much as the folks impacted by the event.

These are some of the key ones:

https://safeandwell.communityos.org/cms/index.php

http://www.disasterassistance.gov/

http://www.redcross.org/find-help

October 31, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote: "I'm here for the same reason that the rest of you ought to be: I am a big fan of Clay Bennett's cartoons. I've been following Clay's cartoons since his pre-TFP days. I consider him an American treasure."

Very well stated and I too second that motion.

October 31, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
miraweb said...

No pressure, Clay :-)

October 31, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Sir, I can't attest to the hearts of others, but I for one am not an advocate for pure Socialism."

You might want to be careful about advocating for increased government power then. The government, especially federal, is perfectly capable of big power grabs without you cheerleading for them.

October 31, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

miraweb,

Can we send Clay up to New York? I am pretty of tired of him.

October 31, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "No, I cited Scripture (snipped)"

Yes I know, and it negates your claim that all scripture is the word of God quite nicely.

"I am now certain that you are extremely unacquainted with the Bible. You obviously have gone to sources that are hostile to God for your information. You have adopted a meaning of "inspiration" that is different from Scripture."

I'm not about to enter into any debate as to who is more acquainted with the Bible. Let's suffice it to say that I am far more acquainted with the Bible than you would care to admit.

This is really getting boring and it is fast becoming a waste of time. You have changed your arguments repeatedly, each time the last one is shot down in flames.

The word "inspiration" has a common definition, no matter where it appears. There is no Biblical definition of the word that differs from that which I posted.

The bottom line to all that has transpired between us is very simple;

I have a brain that God has given me to be used to think, to question, to reason, and to arrive at logical conclusions. I consider the Bible a work of creation and nothing more than symbolic reference from start to finish.

Are there relevant parts of the Bible that should apply to our daily lives? Yes, without question. Is the Bible a perfect work? Not even close. Is it entire Bible the "word of God?" Not even close.

In my research into the Bible, that much was lost in its translation and that the Bible was radically altered in the 1600's by the Church of England at the behest of King James. Two original books were dropped from the version we read now.

You choose to not use your brain and will continue to cherry-pick the modern Bible to serve that which you believe, and will continue to ignore scripture that contradicts that which you do not believe until your last breath of life. That's fine. You have lots of company.

You think I am destined for Hell. There's not much I can or care to do that would persuade you to think otherwise. Myself, I make no such judgments of other people.

Please...bask yourself in the sunshine of your self-righteousness and continue to stick your nose in the air. Feel free to believe whatever you wish. Your ignorance of the facts surrounding the Bible is your burden to bear.

October 31, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

Did you lose a football bet or something, BRP?

I really can't figure out why a grown man would log into a cartoon he doesn't want to see every single day.

October 31, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

miraweb said... "I really can't figure out why a grown man would log into a cartoon he doesn't want to see every single day."

The only reason I come to this page is for the comment section. Thankfully everyone is creative enough to keep the discussion lively even as Bennett fires off on the same topics day after day after day after day....

October 31, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.
conservative said...

In short alprova, you erroneously believe that because God used man to write Scripture you believe Scripture are man's thoughts, commandments, ideas etc. and not God's.

again : 2 Peter 1:20-21

20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

October 31, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "You might want to be careful about advocating for increased government power then. The government, especially federal, is perfectly capable of big power grabs without you cheerleading for them."

Say what you will, but there are a great many people today, who are grateful that there is a Federal Government, with a Department named FEMA, who is there to assist them at a time of great loss.

I don't think that you are going to find many people who are willing to side with you today in condemnation of the Federal Government, unless that is, they are sitting in a home in an area of the country untouched by this latest natural disaster.

I'm watching as I type, the news conference being held in New Jersey, with Governor Cris Christie again praising the President and FEMA for their swift response to the disaster.

In the coming days, I expect and predict that Cris Christie will be vilified by one or several Republicans for his decision to include the President in seeing to it that the people within his state are taken care of attentively.

I absolutely have a new-found respect for Cris Christie and my opinion of the man has done a complete 180 degree turn.

October 31, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

MITT LOVES CARS

Romney said that if Obama bailed out Detroit the American automobile industry would be finished.

Spin that.

Now Mittens wants all the credit for GM and Chrysler roaring back. What a tool.

By the way, where are all you brave little tea baggers? Not one among you has the brass to defend trickle down economics? No one cares to defend Romney when he promises that we can balance the federal budget by cutting taxes and increasing defense spending?

You guys keep shooting your wads at imaginary targets, something I’m sure you’re all expert at, without pointing out the last time a republican president actually DID balance the budget by cutting taxes and spending more on military goodies.

Y’all gutless?

Clueless?

Or just buffoons, offering your opinions the way a jester plays the fool?

What a bunch of losers.

October 31, 2012 at 5:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

Mitt just sent Ann Romney and John McCain to try and rustle up some support in Michigan. He's also placing a couple million in new ad buys there.

Looks like his campaign has given up on Ohio and is trying to put together the small fry.

Pity about that whole dissing Detroit thing. Maybe they've forgotten about that.

October 31, 2012 at 5:27 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am also impressed with Chris Christie. He seems to be the anti-Romney - never bothers with "rebranding" himself because he actually knows who he is, what he's doing, and what he cares about.

That was a smart move moving NJ's Halloween to Monday. Nobody wants kids getting hurt tonight.

October 31, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "In short alprova, you erroneously believe that because God used man to write Scripture you believe Scripture are man's thoughts, commandments, ideas etc. and not God's."

In short, you erroneously believe that the Bible you read today is the same as the one that existed way back when. I do believe that at one time, there was indeed a pure and unadulterated Bible.

I also believe and am quite convinced that the Bible of today is a very bastardized version, complete with many men's thoughts, commandments, ideas, etc.

I dare offer that God is misrepresented many times in the modern day Bible, and due to the number of glaring controversies contained within the Bible, it merely proves that pathological liars have a hard time keeping their stories straight.

"again : 2 Peter 1:20-21"

"20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation."

That only holds true if scripture is never been changed. Translation of each and every word into other languages is a change in and of itself, and is most definitely subject to someone's interpretation.

Have you even researched the history of the Bible? English translation from ancient languages is all but impossible, for we have only a fraction of words in comparison to that of most all other languages.

"21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

Again, if it was translated correctly, and has remained untouched, it only holds true for original scripture.

Try to grasp the simple fact that the Bible was not written in English, that there is no such thing as a perfect translation, that imperfect men, each with opinions of their own, who had a hand in the translation of the Bible, and the fact that the Bible was radically altered 400 years ago at the behest of a madman with the power to dictate it to be done in order to control a populace.

October 31, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, alprova, you wrote "No contradictions exist in the Bible? There are thousands of them, but I'll cite five:"

Now, there is no doubt in my mind that you have not studied the Bible at all. Your past display of the lack of knowledge of the Bible is convincing proof of that. Those over 40 verses you cited supporting your claim that Jesus gave monetary assistance to the poor convinced me of that.

Thousands of contradictions! Who are you fooling? There are no contradictions in the Bible! It would certainly take countless hours to find thousands of contradictions even if they existed. Countless hours which YOU have not spent.

So, tell the truth. Did YOU do this research to find these "thousands" of "contradictions?" I contend that you are just parroting what some atheist website has written to bamboozle willing unbelievers such as yourself.

October 31, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
miraweb said...

NOLA is pretty unimpressed with the Return of Brownie:

What expertise does Brown have regarding the proper response to an emergency?

He was the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency when Hurricane Katrina glanced us, our levees slumped and fell, and our people waited days for rescue. So I repeat: What expertise does Brown have regarding the proper response to an emergency?

Being on top of things. New Orleans wants Brown to know that's a virtue, not a vice. Or as Obama's FEMA director Craig Fugate said in response to Brown's comments: "Better to be fast than to be late."

http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2012/10/michael_brown_disgraced_fema_h.html

October 31, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Say what you will, but there are a great many people today, who are grateful that there is a Federal Government, with a Department named FEMA, who is there to assist them at a time of great loss. I don't think that you are going to find many people who are willing to side with you today in condemnation of the Federal Government, unless that is, they are sitting in a home in an area of the country untouched by this latest natural disaster."

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are not a socialist and you love capitalism but you have never seen a federal government program you do not like. I am having a hard time swallowing it.

October 31, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

miraweb said... "I am also impressed with Chris Christie. He seems to be the anti-Romney - never bothers with "rebranding" himself because he actually knows who he is, what he's doing, and what he cares about."

Agreed. He calls it like he sees it. John McCain does a bit of that, sometimes. Christie doesn't have time for the bullsh!t. He and the rest need help only the nation as a whole can provide. Mitt probably thinks those cities and states should just go under for the sake lower taxes.

October 31, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
alprova said...

"Now, there is no doubt in my mind that you have not studied the Bible at all. Your past display of the lack of knowledge of the Bible is convincing proof of that. Those over 40 verses you cited supporting your claim that Jesus gave monetary assistance to the poor convinced me of that."

This is why it is a complete waste of time to debate anything with you. especially when it comes to the Bible. You deny the parts of the Bible you disagree with on one hand, then on the other hand, you try to assert that the entire Bible is God's word.

I'm not about to revisit that old debate. You denied direct quotations of Jesus back then, just as you are now.

"Thousands of contradictions! Who are you fooling? There are no contradictions in the Bible!"

Sir, you are in complete and total denial of what can be found in your own personal copy of the Bible. You're a brick wall. Further discussion with you on this subject is quite pointless.

"It would certainly take countless hours to find thousands of contradictions even if they existed. Countless hours which YOU have not spent."

Despite your charge, the contradictions exist, no matter who found them and documented them. I never made any claim that the finding of the contradictions were all my work, but on those I quoted, I did verify each and every one of them that I cited.

"So, tell the truth. Did YOU do this research to find these "thousands" of "contradictions?"

I most certainly did verify the research of others and confirmed that the contradictions existed by going to the Bible. I have found several myself, without the aid of a soul.

"I contend that you are just parroting what some atheist website has written to bamboozle willing unbelievers such as yourself.."

Sir, contend whatever you wish. Either the contradictions exist or they don't. Clearly they do exist. You're arguments are very much like those that a child would offer. Denial, denial, denial.

I would be the last person on Earth who would attempt to shake your faith in whatever it is that you believe. I'm very happy for you and for whatever makes you happy and content.

But you are not going to convince me that you are a superior being, worthy of determining the fate of anyone's soul, or any more prone to Godliness yourself, simply because you believe the Bible to be the word of God or because you hang on to cherry-picked selections of scripture to justify your positions in life.

You were taught that trait. You believe it because others have told you that the Bible is the word of God. You've probably never attended a church in your life, where free thought and discourse was ever encouraged. What a pity.

Save your arguments for your very own and individual Judgment Day. Try and sell your brand of self-righteousness to God, if you can.

October 31, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BW48... I think I have the answer you're looking for from the teabaggers! I think maybe when the ultra rich get to avoid paying taxes, they'll buy hundreds of thousands of washers and dryers each, not diamonds and yachts. They'll purchase millions of mid-range cars and billions of carpets. Just remember this... if you take a little money away from driven, 'type A' business owners, they will throw in their cards and give up! Their desire for success will suddenly evaporate and they'll become Money Martyrs.

October 31, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are not a socialist and you love capitalism but you have never seen a federal government program you do not like. I am having a hard time swallowing it."

That's okay. I have faith in the knowledge that very few people escape life never needing the assistance of Gov't in order to survive, eventually.

Your time will come and despite the sentiment you express currently, you will come to eat those words. Unfortunately, you will likely retain your anonymity and no one will be there to ask you how those words taste.

One day, you might be idled by a very bad accident. You might have a debilitating stroke, heart attack or any number of other illnesses that will put you out of commission for a short or long term. A tornado might take away all that you have in a few seconds time. Your house may catch fire and burn to the ground. You might lose your source of income and find it all but impossible to replace.

You might escape all the above and coast to the day that you wear Depends, eat baby food, and watch television all day long. Even then, no matter your current lot in life, the Gov't will be stepping up to take care of you and to pay your way.

I do indeed thank God for the vision of most of our current and former leaders, who have had the wisdom over the years to form divisions of Gov't to address the social needs of our citizens, rather than to bow to the demands of those like yourself, who are inconvenienced pennies on the dollar in the implementation of such assistance to those in need.

Everything might be peachy in your world today, as it once was in my own, but life has a horrible way of changing all that in an instant.

I am a firm believer in Karma. I believe that what goes around, comes around. I made the transformation to the person I am today, a decade ago. I like who I am today. I look back at what I was and what I stood for and it makes me physically ill to remember it.

Karma dictates that you too, my friend, will one day be forced to call upon or will have no choice but to accept social support from the very Gov't you put down publicly today, if you are fortunate enough to live a long life.

Karma has a way of altering that time line as well. I don't know that I would want all that Karma hanging around my neck all the time. It could strangle you.

October 31, 2012 at 7:49 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que claims: "MountainLoon asks the Lord for a Mercedes Benz. . . “Mitt Romney encouraged a group of several hundred college students at a small liberal arts school here Friday to pursue their educational and career ambitions — even if it means asking their parents for money."

I've never asked the Lord for a Mercedes Benz, Tu_quoque. And why are you ranting about old postings from yesterday? Today's cartoon a little touchy for you? Besides, as I recall, l was just responding to EaTn’s question as to “what type of antiquated politician would dream of reversing history to put duplicate burdens like disaster relief on state governments?”

What’s I find interesting about your rant is that neither EaTn nor myself mentioned any particular politician by name. Granted, most of the descriptions in our posts would apply to Mitt Romney, but they also fit a lot of other Republican politicians. The fact that Mitt Romney is the first Republican politician that came to mind for you is revealing.

October 31, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MTJohn points out: “Imagine the loss of life that would have occurred if the National Weather Service did not exist or if it functioned like Bain Capital. My apology to ML, I did not see that she had posted the same thought before I did.”

I was glad to see that you also noted it, MTJohn. This storm was enormous and it’s chilling to think what might have been without FEMA, NOAA and NASA. And without a doubt, the NOAA and those satellite images were literally a lifesaver. It’s unsettling to watch irresponsible politicians like Romney/Ryan belittle the critical role these agencies play.

October 31, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So now you lefties believe that Romney would do away with weather satellites. You people are off the hook.

October 31, 2012 at 8:05 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. Now to your claim of a contradiction :

"Genesis 2:17 - Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit. Genesis 5:5 - Adam lived 930 years"

Scripture interprets Scripture. Scripture explains Scripture! One translated verse from the original language, here Hebrew, could easily be misunderstood as you have here.

You as an unbeliever have only one idea, one definition of die and that is physical death. Any other idea of death here escapes you. Your focus therefore is centered on the word day or rather "the very day" as you put it.

However, the more important death, Biblically speaking, is spiritual death. This was the death referred to here not the physical death which was also part of the sentence to be carried out at a later date.

Unbelievers are dead in their sins right now with their physical death to also follow at a later date:

Ephesians 2:1-3. And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

This was the Apostle Paul addressing believers about their lost condition prior to salvation.

Notice the word "dead." Spiritually, unbelievers are DEAD!

October 31, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Biden Cites Cleveland Plain Dealer Endorsement "In This State" While In FL

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/31/biden_cites_cleveland_plain_dealer_endorsement_in_this_state_while_in_fl.html

Joe has Alzheimer's disease. He needs medical help.

October 31, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Biden tells mostly female audience in Florida, "I'm gonna give you the whole load". This man has a history of demeaning the females of America....and getting away with it.

October 31, 2012 at 8:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

No, Romney would do away with paying for satellites.

The magic growth fairies will foot the bills.

October 31, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

Had good fun with the trick or treaters. It's nice to be doing something normal again.

October 31, 2012 at 8:46 p.m.
joneses said...

Hussein Obama has proven the military, CIA or our Ambassadors cannot depend on the government to back them up. Watch this video and it is all true. I know it is true because CNN, MSNBC and the other Hussein Obama networks are not reporting this. Hussein Obama should be tried for treason.

October 31, 2012 at 9:28 p.m.
hambone said...

Remember what Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan told Joplin MO when it was hit with a EF-5 and 200 people were killed.

"your on your own"

October 31, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
acerigger said...

alprova said... "I am a firm believer in Karma. I believe that what goes around, comes around. I made the transformation to the person I am today, a decade ago. I like who I am today."

Good deal,AL!! When one gets a true glimpse of reality,priorities seem to re-arrange themselves,huh?

October 31, 2012 at 10:27 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

hambone...hope their grammar was better than yours

October 31, 2012 at 10:30 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Scripture interprets Scripture. Scripture explains Scripture! One translated verse from the original language, here Hebrew, could easily be misunderstood as you have here."

But Sir, the bible is perfect. The translation into English was perfect. There are no errors. There are no contradictions. Wasn't that your argument until now? You are a walking, talking, typing waffle.

"You as an unbeliever have only one idea, one definition of die and that is physical death."

Look, you moron, just because I challenge what can be read in the Bible, it does not mean that I am an unbeliever. I simply have differing beliefs from your own and consider the Bible to be a book of reference, rather than a play book to be used in the game of Christianity.

I approach religion grounded in reality. You do so from positions of apologetic denial and blind faith.

Every time you post, you prove my stance a little more.

" other idea of death here escapes you. Your focus therefore is centered on the word day or rather "the very day" as you put it."

I see, so Adam died for 930 years rather than lived to the age of 930.

You pulled out scripture from the Epistle to the Ephesians. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that the estimated time that Paul the Apostle wrote the letter, known as Ephesians, was 62 years after Christ's death on the cross?

Anything that can be read in the New Testament is not at all relevant to Adam, or are you going to deny that too.

"However, the more important death, Biblically speaking, is spiritual death. This was the death referred to here not the physical death which was also part of the sentence to be carried out at a later date."

But you see...in Genesis, God makes no such reference to a "spiritual death." If what you state were remotely relevant, wouldn't you agree that it would have made better sense if God had made that distinction then and there?

"Unbelievers are dead in their sins right now with their physical death to also follow at a later date"

Okey Dokey...I am so glad to learn that since we are all sinners, that the world is filled zombies, already "spiritually dead" awaiting their physical death.

But I'm sure that you have exempted yourself from such a fate, because you are a "believer," right?

I gotta hand it to you, you are nothing if not creative in your explanations, and on Halloween too.

October 31, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "hambone...hope their grammar was better than yours"

It takes a very small mind to make fun of someone's grammatical mistakes.

The world would have been a-okay if you had not made the conscience choice to type the above totally useless comment.

But no...you decided to do it anyway, unprovoked, knowing that the man's comment wasn't directed at you in any manner.

You do stuff like that and squeal like a pig every time someone pokes back at you.

Everyone watch....Ole' Jack is gonna squeal to high heaven for calling him out for his pig like behavior.

October 31, 2012 at 11:02 p.m.
alprova said...

acerigger wrote: "Good deal,AL!! When one gets a true glimpse of reality,priorities seem to re-arrange themselves,huh?"

That they do.

October 31, 2012 at 11:08 p.m.
hambone said...

Jack, because of my poor grammar you didn't understand the post? AMAZING Mrs. Counts would have given me a D

October 31, 2012 at 11:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You're right ALPO. Was a cheap shot.

November 1, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
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