published Tuesday, September 18th, 2012

Romney

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

Divided we stand!!

September 18, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.
acerigger said...

Time to re-group Repubs, better luck in 2016!

September 18, 2012 at 12:46 a.m.
Easy123 said...

"My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." -Willard Mitt Romney

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Mitt Romney and Republicans want division.

I am part of the "47%" that will vote for President Obama. I am not dependent upon the government. I do not believe I am a victim. I do not believe it is the governments responsibility to take care of me. I do not believe I am entitled to healthcare, food, housing or anything. And I pay my income taxes.

I also take complete responsibility and care for my own life.

The strawman Mitt Romney has created of President Obama and the citizens that will vote to re-elect the President is laughable and pathetic.

Republicans will vote for Mitt Romney and, by doing so, they will vote against their own interests.

September 18, 2012 at 1:04 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Thank you, ace!

I thoroughly enjoyed reading that.

September 18, 2012 at 1:30 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

EASY ALTERATIONS?

I haven't heard any republican/conservative/tea bagger type ever discuss why they are voting FOR Mitt Romney. I know they loathe the President, but why support Mitt? Give me three reasons why an independent voter should support Romeny.

Right now I see Romney as a vacuous opportunist who seems to be running for president only to satisfy his insatiable ambition. He doesn't know much about foreign policy because he doesn't really care. He wants to be president. He doesn't express his core beliefs because he doesn't really have any. He just wants to be president. He'll say anything to any group to get their votes.

It's not that he's a flip flopper. Back when he was running for the senate in Massachusetts, when he said he would do more for gay rights than Ted Kennedy he meant every word. Today he's still puckering up to every right wing butt he can find.

In the past Romney donated money to Planned Parenthood and sought their political endorsement. Now, he promises to cut off all federal funding. He doesn't care. He just wants to be president.

He could have made this presidential campaign a showdown over big ideas, about the direction America should be taking in the months and years ahead. But Mitt Romney doesn't really seem to care about that. He could have won voters if he had expressed a vision but he doesn't have one.

He just wants to be president. Has anyone asked him why?

In order to win the republican primary he's had to express more right wing opinions and even bragged about being an 'extremely conservative' Massachusetts governor.

Romney is an empty suit.

September 18, 2012 at 2:07 a.m.
MasterBlaster said...

Watching a conservative speak kindly about Mutt Rmoney, is like watching someone trying to pickup the clean end of a turd.

September 18, 2012 at 2:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

Blackwater48, I think all either of them want is to be president to satisfy their ego. Look what a mess Obama will inherit this time when he is elected. He can still say it is worse than I thought when I was running.

I don't think either of them can manage well enough to make water run down hill. When someone says to me "I am going to be honest with you" I get concerned, why do they have to say that? Are they only honest when they say they are going to be or does it mean they are about to try to mislead me or about to tell me a big lie?

September 18, 2012 at 2:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

Washington politics is like wiping your arse with a hoop, just keep messing and stirring it without ever getting any of it off. They seem able to convince voters their crap smells like roses.

The right question may be why would you vote for any of them?

September 18, 2012 at 2:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

Neither of them can do that to themselves but they sure can do it to us.

September 18, 2012 at 3:08 a.m.
alprova said...

Looks like Mitt Romney has had his own "you didn't build that" moment.

Unlike the President's words, Mitt's were not taken out of context.

Karma sure has a way of biting people in the butt, and it could not have happened to a better candidate.

Remember a couple of weeks ago when R&R were touring the country whining and wailing that the President was running a divisive campaign?

The man is totally pathetic.

September 18, 2012 at 4:30 a.m.
alprova said...

MasterBlaster wrote: "Watching a conservative speak kindly about Mutt Rmoney, is like watching someone trying to pickup the clean end of a turd."

I have to say that not many comments cause me to laugh out loud. I've read a great many one liner's over the years, so I smile a lot but rarely find most things totally hilarious.

Please take a bow, for that one is just about the funniest thing I have read in quite sometime, and it indeed made me laugh out loud.

September 18, 2012 at 4:37 a.m.
alprova said...

blackwater, I just dropped an email to the Romney campaign, inspired by your post.

I suggested a new campaign slogan to them.

"A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for a man who really, really wants to be President!!"

I think it has potential.

September 18, 2012 at 4:44 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque tried to play this story off as stale news, but it seems to have grown legs overnight. I can't believe the knuckleheads nominated him. This should be a rout of historic proportions, but there's always that other 47% that will vote against their own interests because they cannot afford to admit they're wrong.

September 18, 2012 at 5:43 a.m.
dude_abides said...

hey, harp's seemingly in the middle again!

September 18, 2012 at 5:44 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Is a man who takes your money at gunpoint 'voting his own interest'? How about a man who takes it at IRS gunpoint? In business, we choose what to pay for and when we pay we get it. The government forces us to pay and offers less choice.

I think Gov Romney's main problem closing the GOP deal was Romneycare. I think his main problem closing the national deal may be a perception that, yeah, he'll take care of Wall St, and that may be better overall than Pres Obama taking care of DC, but will Romney take care of Main St? He's making some of the right noises, as with the GOP, but will he do it? If he'd named Chip Mellor for Veep instead of Paul Ryan, he'd have moved the debate in his direction.

Oh, well, Mellor for Attorney General. The Institute for Justice, Mellor's outfit, defended a NJ widow's house for her against Donald Trump's casino that wanted to sieze her house by eminent domain ('IRS gunpoint' so to speak.) He'd bring school choice and monopolistic regulations onto center stage.

I suspect our current President is doing so terrible a job even by his own standards (Gitmo, 8%, no taxes under $250,000, keep insurance, Arab mobs...) that Romney will win the late undecideds and the election, as Reagan did in '80 in an election everyone called close.

September 18, 2012 at 6:44 a.m.
Easy123 said...

AndrewLohr,

"I suspect our current President is doing so terrible a job even by his own standards (Gitmo, 8%, no taxes under $250,000, keep insurance, Arab mobs...)"

This is the most contrived list of BS that has ever been attributed to President Obama.

September 18, 2012 at 7:06 a.m.
EaTn said...

If there's anybody feeling any lower than Mitt today, it's probably one of several of his fat-cat donors hoping for a big return on their investment come November. The millions of dollars blitz is hard to overcome Mitt's consecutive foot-in-mouth blunders. What Mitt needs is a good tele-prompter.

September 18, 2012 at 7:07 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Not so fast Marxist minions. Plenty of time for The Organizer to gaffe-up and/or be exposed. Not to mention the liklihood of Plugs Biden screwin the pooch.

September 18, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

Does this sound accurate? Many of those that will not or cannot prove they are citizens will receive free health care paid for by those forced to buy insurance because they are citizens. Only in America, the home where you can get it all free.

September 18, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Good luck with that.

September 18, 2012 at 7:13 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_! Looks like Mitt is 'in deep situ' ! Maybe one of the 12 living American Mormon prophets should have foreseen this catastrophe and headed it off. On the auguring front, perhaps they should call themselves the 'Empty Larder Day Saints'! Mitt should consider himself burnt toast.

September 18, 2012 at 7:18 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Romneysia: Forgetting not to insult half the American population when running for President.

What a Jackhead.

September 18, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Just hide and watch, Comrades.

September 18, 2012 at 7:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

I'll be waiting, Troll.

September 18, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.
fairmon said...

On the campaign trail, you won't see this on the news. A question or comment from the audience. Mr. president, I have no job, I lost my house, I have very little food and I can't afford gas. Answer..I feel your pain, please let me keep my job, give me one more chance.

September 18, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
ibshame said...

For comparison I thought Rick Perry was the only person who could make George W. Bush seem like a genius. I was totally wrong!! Mitt Romney is not just a walking, talking screw up but he's surrounded himself with others who are even worse than he is when it comes to this campaign. This latest in a lonnngggg line of gaffes might just do him in. Not even the debates are going to help him now because of the imagery his words have projected.

He's written off half of America as dead-beats and victims dependant on the federal government. It never occured to him that less than 10% of that 47% actually pay no income taxes because they don't earn enough income to pay taxes. He better hope with all his might if someone really did steal his tax returns, they don't release them to the public just as a one upmanship to this video. If that happens and it's discovered there were some years when he DIDN'T PAY ANY INCOME TAXES then he will be through long before Nov. 6th. It will be a rout(for President Obama) the likes of which have not been seen since Reagan defeated Mondale in 1984. I can't think of a nicer guy for it to happen to or a better bunch of wingnuts. LOL

September 18, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
EaTn said...

acerigger said... "Time to re-group Repubs, better luck in 2016!"

Heard the right-wingers are now working on a new movie for 2016.

September 18, 2012 at 8 a.m.
jesse said...

Harp ain't in the middle ,he is simply aware of the reality of the situation we are in and the lack of a candidate with the ability to get us back on track!

While i plan to vote for Obama it's not out of any deep regard for his ability but simply because he is less of an idjit!(i hope!)

How anybody can get vehement about either of these two is beyond me!

September 18, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.
rolando said...

They won't have to produce a new movie, EaTn...we will all be living it.

Keep your powder dry. Two pertinent quotes from Abraham Lincoln"

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

And

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

September 18, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
acerigger said...

rolando said. "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

You'd fit right in with the#OCCUPY crowd with that,thanks.

September 18, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
patriot1 said...

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville It looks like we have arrived

September 18, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
mymy said...

48 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Long gone are the days of straight journalists calling the balls and strikes fairly. And make no mistake: This is not merely a liberal bias we are dealing with, but a Democratic party bias. There is now a revolving door between the leftwing blogosphere, the broader Democratic establishment, and the mainstream media – and the phony narrative of a runaway Obama lead is just one result of that insidious alliance.

Romney/Ryan 2012

September 18, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Not only did he insult the 47% but just 2 weeks ago he threw the Ron Paul wing of his own party under the bus.... would someone tell this guy the object is to get votes. Time to take another look at Gary Johnson. Of course the GOP is trying to use the courts to get him off a few battleground ballots thinking they will get a few more votes by default. Like Jessie said cant see why anyone is passoinate about either of these two

September 18, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
ibshame said...

"mymy said... 48 Days to Go! It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad. Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock Long gone are the days of straight journalists calling the balls and strikes fairly. And make no mistake: This is not merely a liberal bias we are dealing with, but a Democratic party bias."

Just in case no one clued you in: Mitt Romney made his latest gaffe in front of a bunch of his fat cat friends who he was hoping to milk for more campaign cash. The fact he made a special effort last night to try to EXPLAIN what he meant when he said 47% of the country is full of people looking for handouts is evidence of just how bad things really are for him right now. There was no Democratic Bias in any of this. The media covered his story by showing just exactly what he said, they didn't embellish it. Mitt Romney is his own worst enemy.

I hope you have your clock set to start at 1260 days because right now it looks like President Obama is on his way to another 4 years. Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock. LOL

September 18, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
jesse said...

The Romney campaign is in total disarray and they seem to have no clue as to what to do to get back on track OR actually why they are not connecting w/the voters! A campaign seem to me to be a much simpler operation to run than the Nation!If they can't get it right what would they do if they were trying to run the country this way??

September 18, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

EaTn said: “Heard the right-wingers are now working on a new movie for 2016.”

Are you referencing Mitt Romney’s film: "The Divine Right of CEOs to Govern America?"

September 18, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
mymy said...

JR: I have already reconsidered: cancelled some time ago!

September 18, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Sound like a Romneyesque gaffe? no, it was The Messiah in '08.

September 18, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
mymy said...

And what did the media overlook last week?

-Gas prices increased on average by $0.04, despite the end of the summer driving season. With Brent crude prices remaining elevated, gas prices are probably not going to come down any time soon.

-The Consumer Price Index increased by 0.6 percent month-over-month. This is an extremely large jump, built mostly around increased energy prices.

-Retail sales, excluding gas and cars, were flat.

-Manufacturing production fell by more than 1 percent last month alone, and capacity utilization dropped by 1 point.

-The jobs report from August was an absolute misery.

-Overall, the economy is so anemic that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has initiated an unprecedented third round of quantitative easing, this one open-ended.

-Obama Foreign Policy failures and the Administrations incompetence that got 4 kill abroad and the spreading violence.

The Obama Administration's refusal to take responsibility for anything, but as usual blame somebody or something else. The Believers still believe!!!!!!! Unbelievable.

Put simply: This economy is already weak and appears to be getting weaker and violence is spreading. More Americans killed and property destroyed.

It takes strength to be a leader. The world looks at Obama as weak. In the Muslim world men don’t apologize. It is looked at as a sign of weakness!!!! All he does is apologize and blame. Strong economic and strong foreign policy leadership is desperately needed! Terrorist and the World as a whole only understand/fear/respect strength! We are in a very week position with Obama!!!! So, this election is extremely important. It will depend on the direction this county will go=A chance to go Up or farther down!

Obama Policies have failed!!

Romney/Ryan 2016

September 18, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JonRoss: I see no hate in mymy. Your ilk seems to have cornered the market on hate and division. And ruined a perfectly good word. Progressive.

September 18, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The only problem is that Romney was telling the truth. The democrats have been intentionally bloating the roles of the dependent to help build their voter base. This is the problem with democracy people!

Heaven forbid someone should actually talk about it!

September 18, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"One of the participants of the rally, Abdullah Ismail, passed away after he was taken to Mayo Hospital. Witnesses said he had complained of feeling unwell from the smoke from US flags burnt at the rally."

Wow, there IS justice.

September 18, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Did anyone catch the irony... We are heading for a fisical cliff, something must be done, we can't cut 100bil from budget due to automatic cuts it would be terrible. Mean while the unaccountable federal reserve will be spending 40bil per month open ended untill we buy our way out of being broke. If you vote for an incumbent you are part of the problem

September 18, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
mymy said...

The 47% that might vote for Obama can be broken down into many categories, but they all fall under the category of “FOOLS!”

September 18, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
mymy said...

Yes, it's hard to hear the truth.

Much easier to believe the lies of the MSM and Obama!!!

September 18, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

In all my years, I've never seen mass hypnosis to match what we're seeing with The Chosen One's acolytes. Astounding. He could do Vegas act.

September 18, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.

Maybe Mitt Romney does intend to lose this election, he may have just wanted to do it out of personal pride.

patriot1, nothing should exist as a permanent form of government, or a permanent anything, for even this universe may not last forever, but certainly nothing in it will exist unchanging except perhaps the Divine.

Nothing mortal though.

BigRidgePatriot, actually, it's Republicans who are intentionally talking falsehoods about it, in order to distort the truth and rely on people's emotions.

That's the problem with rhetoric, people.

But go ahead, blame the people you can conveniently create as a scapegoat, and proclaim it to be the truth. Then when called on it, double-down, because if people try to correct you, well, that MUST be because it really is the truth.

Not you know, lies, which people are justly opposing.

Of course, everything you're doing now is part of the long history of democracy. Why just ask Sulla.

September 18, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbous: still full of it. Stick to the crayons, pal.

September 18, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

WASHINGTON -- Vice President Joe Biden said Monday that Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is so out of touch with regular Americans that he thinks the middle class extends to people making up to $250,000.

But Biden apparently forgot that that's the same benchmark that President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats regularly use when talking about extending the Bush-era tax cuts for the middle class.

During a campaign event in Burlington, Iowa, Biden mocked Romney for saying Obama is out of touch with average Americans when Romney is the one with Swiss bank accounts and millions of dollars tucked away in the Cayman Islands.

"He thinks the middle class is $200,000 to $250,000. Whoa! Whoa!" Biden said to cheers. "Don't you all wish you were in that middle class? Whoa!"

Read it here, mopes. You want see this in the MSM.

September 18, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

The $250,000 number is meaningless. The majority of people in the "middle class" make far less than that.

Biden is correct.

September 18, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ease: You are spinning like a top, sonny.

September 18, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Your opinion is of no consequence to me. Troll on.

September 18, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
mymy said...

The Death of Common Sense

By Lori Borgman

Three yards of black fabric enshroud my computer terminal. I am mourning the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense.

His obituary reads as follows:

Common Sense, aka C.S., lived a long life, but died from heart failure at the brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was, his birth records were long ago entangled in miles and miles of bureaucratic red tape. Known affectionately to close friends as Horse Sense and Sound Thinking, he selflessly devoted himself to a life of service in homes, schools, hospitals and offices, helping folks get jobs done without a lot of fanfare, whooping and hollering. Rules and regulations and petty, frivolous lawsuits held no power over C.S.

A most reliable sage, he was credited with cultivating the ability to know when to come in out of the rain, the discovery that the early bird gets the worm and how to take the bitter with the sweet. C.S. also developed sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adult is in charge, not the kid) and prudent dietary plans (offset eggs and bacon with a little fiber and orange juice).

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, the Technological Revolution and the Smoking Crusades, C.S. survived sundry cultural and educational trends including disco, the men's movement, body piercing, whole language and new math.

September 18, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
mymy said...

C.S.'s health began declining in the late 1960s when he became infected with the If-It-Feels-Good, Do-It virus. In the following decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing federal and state rules and regulations and an oppressive tax code. C.S. was sapped of strength and the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, criminals received better treatment than victims and judges stuck their noses in everything from Boy Scouts to professional baseball and golf. His deterioration accelerated as schools implemented zero-tolerance policies. Reports of 6-year-old boys charged with sexual harassment for kissing classmates, a teen suspended for taking a swig of Scope mouthwash after lunch, girls suspended for possessing Midol and an honor student expelled for having a table knife in her school lunch were more than his heart could endure.

As the end neared, doctors say C.S. drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding regulations on low-flow toilets and mandatory air bags. Finally, upon hearing about a government plan to ban inhalers from 14 million asthmatics due to a trace of a pollutant that may be harmful to the environment, C.S. breathed his last. Services will be at Whispering Pines Cemetery. C.S. was preceded in death by his wife, Discretion; one daughter, Responsibility; and one son, Reason. He is survived by two step-brothers, Half-Wit and Dim-Wit.

Memorial Contributions may be sent to the Institute for Rational Thought.

Farewell, Common Sense. May you rest in peace.

Note from Lori Borgman: This piece was first published March 15, 1998 in the Indianapolis Star. It has been "modified" and "edited" by others and circulated on the Internet, even sent to me several times. Imagine my surprise to see it attributed to some guy named Anonymous. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I take having my work circulated on the web as a compliment.

September 18, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
mtngrl said...

IT seems Romney is attempting to alienate his own base.

Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes?

Turns out to be mainly in Red states:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/where-are-the-47-of-americans-who-pay-no-income-taxes/262499/

September 18, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
EaTn said...

mymy said... "The 47% that might vote for Obama can be broken down into many categories, but they all fall under the category of “FOOLS!”

The 47% that depend on government consist of our military, folks on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, teachers, administrators, social workers, the unemployed and of course those on food stamps and welfare.

September 18, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
rolando said...

ace -- Thanks for the attribution but, as I posted, the quote [note the quotation marks] was actually Abraham Lincoln who said:

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

He said it about 170 years ago; it is more appropriate today than ever.

Exactly which Section/Amendment of the US Constitution were the Occupiers upholding? I have forgotten [comes with old age]; please enlighten me.

September 18, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
rolando said...

You forgot all those millions who pay no federal income tax, EaTn; although that does include many of those you DID mention.

September 18, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

Bad week, mymy?

No worries - only 27 days until Mitt files his 2011 tax returns.

tick tock!

September 18, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.

Mitt Romney is right on the mark. Obama supporters either want to be taken care of by the government, or want to destroy this country. Pathetic. The millions of people who have become unemployed, or have had to settle for less work, will not be voting for Obama. Romney is spot on. See the media foam at the mouth. Laughable. Obama's disdain and contempt for those who have made their own way will never be forgotten.

September 18, 2012 at 12:34 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"Mitt Romney is right on the mark."

Romney was right on the mark in alienating half of this country.

"Obama supporters either want to be taken care of by the government, or want to destroy this country."

You cannot logically come to that conclusion. Your psychotic babble has been duly noted.

"The millions of people who have become unemployed, or have had to settle for less work, will not be voting for Obama."

This is information that you could not possibly know.

"Obama's disdain and contempt for those who have made their own way will never be forgotten."

There is no disdain or contempt for those who have made their own way from Obama or Democrats. However, you have made your contempt for those that do need government assistance very clear.

September 18, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.

Get a load of the manipulated polls designed to discourage voters. Not going to work. The fact is nothing has changed in the mood of the country since the 2010 mid terms. The same thing is going to happen in November. Obama can only find ways to destroy Romney, he's got nothing, and his record is a pile of sh*t. Also, Romney is right on about the Palestinians.

September 18, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... In all my years, I've never seen mass hypnosis to match what we're seeing with The Chosen One's acolytes."

YEAH? THEN YOU CERTAINLY MUST NOT HAVE BEEN AROUND WHEN THE FOLLOWING LIES WERE MADE THAT LED NOT ONLY TO MASS HYPNOSIS AND HYSTERIA BUT ALSO LED THIS COUNTRY INTO A WAR THAT COST THE LIVES OF OVER 4000 U.S. SOLDIERS, MAIMED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS FOR LIFE AND WAS ALL FOR NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF LIES. AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALCOLYTES? JUST HOW SICK DOES ONE HAVE TO BE TO LIVE INSIDE THE BUBBLE OF RIGHT WING NUTS?

"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." –National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, on Iraq's nuclear capabilities and the Bush administration's case for war, Sept. 8, 2002 (Source)

"President George W. Bush on 28 January 2003 :

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

September 18, 2012 at 12:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"Get a load of the manipulated polls designed to discourage voters. Not going to work."

Always take polls with a grain of salt. But polls are not designed to discourage voters. I'm not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion.

"The fact is nothing has changed in the mood of the country since the 2010 mid terms."

Did you take a poll?

"Obama can only find ways to destroy Romney, he's got nothing"

Obama doesn't have to find anything. Romney hangs himself.

"and his record is a pile of sh*t"

And this is strictly your opinion.

"Romney is right on about the Palestinians."

Not quite.

September 18, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
acerigger said...

Rolando, the #occupy is informed by that quote,not by the "gimme,gimme" smears you hear.Maybe you should read a little deeper into the movement. They,somewhat like the Tea Party,realize that our Gov. is owned by Big Business and hope to remedy that.

September 18, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
miraweb said...

Bill Kristol, a high-ranking Republican NeoCon and a man who could be say to "own" the GOP election machinery made a call today for Romney to resign and let a Ryan/Rubio ticket run.

A quote from Kristol:

It's worth recalling that a good chunk of the 47 percent who don't pay income taxes are Romney supporters—especially of course seniors (who might well "believe they are entitled to heath care," a position Romney agrees with), as well as many lower-income Americans (including men and women serving in the military) who think conservative policies are better for the country even if they're not getting a tax cut under the Romney plan. So Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him.

September 18, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am starting to wonder if Romney didn't have his reading glasses on when they handed him the target voter list. He seems to have confused people whose votes he needs with people he should be trying to offend:

Women - done!

Seniors - done!

Latinos - done!

Military - done!

Middle Class - done!

Romney - done.

September 18, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

You’re getting sleepy, Vote Republican!

If Republicans don’t want to worry about the very poor, they should quit making so many of them.

September 18, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
ibshame said...

David Brooks of the New York Times pretty much sums it up. Too bad Romney didn't have someone like him on his campaign.

"......Romney, who criticizes President Obama for dividing the nation, divided the nation into two groups: the makers and the moochers. Forty-seven percent of the country, he said, are people “who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to take care of them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it.”

This comment suggests a few things. First, it suggests that he really doesn’t know much about the country he inhabits. Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?

It suggests that Romney doesn’t know much about the culture of America. Yes, the entitlement state has expanded, but America remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Americans work longer hours than just about anyone else. Americans believe in work more than almost any other people. Ninety-two percent say that hard work is the key to success, according to a 2009 Pew Research Survey.

It says that Romney doesn’t know much about the political culture. Americans haven’t become childlike worshipers of big government. On the contrary, trust in government has declined. The number of people who think government spending promotes social mobility has fallen.

The people who receive the disproportionate share of government spending are not big-government lovers. They are Republicans. They are senior citizens. They are white men with high school degrees. As Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution has noted, the people who have benefited from the entitlements explosion are middle-class workers, more so than the dependent poor."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/opinion/brooks-thurston-howell-romney.html?_r=0

September 18, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"Libya seeks new Muslim leader".......We could give them ours.

September 18, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
miraweb said...

Very telling map of who pays taxes. Oddly enough, the states with the highest number of elderly and poor people have more people who don't pay taxes. Who would have guessed that.

Romney's idiotic comment could potentially write off 39% - 45% of key southern states.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/idaho/files/2012/09/TaxFoundation-Non-Payers.jpg

September 18, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Muhammed Ali?

September 18, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
alprova said...

Easy123 wrote: "Muhammed Ali?"

I nominate Louis Farrakhan...

September 18, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

alprova,

That'll work.

September 18, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
rolando said...

ibs said, "First, it suggests that [Romney] really doesn’t know much about the country he inhabits. Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?"

Of those three persons you specified, ibs, only the second [the student] applying for a student loan is dependent on the government for an unearned stipend.

Of the remaining two, the vet has damn well earned and paid for any wait-in-line health care he may need as a result of his military service. That is most assuredly NOT a handout; he is OWED that service.

Similarly, the SS recipient and/or the MediCare patient have also paid into the respective system -- other than the freeloaders [illegal aliens, for instance].

In summary and generally, if one didn't pay for it in blood, sweat, or tears, one is a freeloader and individually dependent on the government. [Part of the 47%]

September 18, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
mtngrl said...

The problem is Rolando, the vet and the SS/MediCare recipients are included in that 47% figure

September 18, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rolando,

"only the second [the student] applying for a student loan is dependent on the government for an unearned stipend."

The student has to repay the loan. It's not unearned if you have to pay for it.

"That is most assuredly NOT a handout"

It's government assistance. Mitt Romney would qualify that as government dependance.

"the SS recipient and/or the MediCare patient have also paid into the respective system"

It's still government assistance.

"other than the freeloaders [illegal aliens, for instance]."

Show me all the illegal aliens that draw Social Security and/or receive Medicare benefits.

"In summary and generally, if one didn't pay for it in blood, sweat, or tears, one is a freeloader and individually dependent on the government. [Part of the 47%]"

That would implicate everyone that has ever been born since no one has paid for anything with blood, sweat, or tears.

Your hyperbole is senseless. If you truly believe what you type, then you are a fool.

September 18, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mtngrl said... "The problem is Rolando, the vet and the SS/MediCare recipients are included in that 47% figure"

Only because the government forced them to be! I would be happy as hell if I could have opted out but the government traps you into dependence after they confiscate your earnings by force. Progressives are bullies!

September 18, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

No one forced you to do anything.

You can opt out of Social Security.

No one has confiscated your earnings by force.

Regressives are idiots.

September 18, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
mtngrl said...

You must not agree with Romney then, BRP. He is the one that stated the following which got him into this mess:

*“There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it,” *

All those vets and current military are included, along with those SS/MediCare recipients

September 18, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
fairmon said...

Easy123 said... BRP,

No one forced you to do anything.

You can opt out of Social Security.

Educate us please, how can an employed person legally keep an employer from deducting social security, medical and income tax from their check? You can opt out being a social security recipient until age 70 then you will get a monthly check anyway.

Call it anything you want to but the law requires those taxes to be withheld by an employer and paid by the wage earner so some of us prefer to call it confiscating from earned income an amount determined by the government. That is about as close to being forced to do something as you can get.

September 18, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

harp: Easy's just talking out of his butt as usual. Ask him how many student loans go into default. Ergo gubment entitlement. The child can't get out of the freshman mentality.

September 18, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
MTJohn said...

mymy said..."And what did the media overlook last week?"

And what many of you conservatives are overlooking, mymy, is the fact that Romney has as little regard for middle-class people, including middle-class conservatives, as he does for those 47%. Go ahead and vote for him. But, unless you are in the 1%, if he wins, don't expect him to do you any favors.

September 18, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

The 47% includes those that insist that someone other than them pay more taxes in order to pay for the free stuff. Can anyone explain why the all tax rates are not increased, even if some are increased more than others, enough to pay all the bills? When might that ever happen? How many households are so in debt they will never pay anything on the debt while going further in debt? How long can anyone or any country do that? This is craziness and the republicans have no better plan than the egotistical fumble butt we have now. No one feels any pain from the debt so they keep demanding more, more, more.

September 18, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Harp,

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2011-04-27-opting-out-of-social-security_n.htm

Just be a member of the clergy or a state worker in a select group of states.

You aren't being forced to do anything. But I guess you can call it whatever you want.

September 18, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Only you and your ilk talk out of your asses.

"Ask him how many student loans go into default. Ergo gubment entitlement."

Don't take out loans unless you know you can pay them off. :-)

"The child can't get out of the freshman mentality."

It's better than the senior citizen mentality.

September 18, 2012 at 3:57 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

And what many of you conservatives are overlooking, mymy, is the fact that Romney has as little regard for middle-class people, including middle-class conservatives, as he does for those 47%. Go ahead and vote for him. But, unless you are in the 1%, if he wins, don't expect him to do you any favors.

Please are you suggesting that either candidate gives a happy rat's butt about any of us? You can't be serious after watching the past 12 years and especially the last 3+. They both would qualify as the white house flower.....a blooming idiot.

September 18, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando quipped: "In summary and generally, if one didn't pay for it in blood, sweat, or tears, one is a freeloader and individually dependent on the government."

Well then...that leaves you out and as part of the 47%, by your own admission. You did not shed any blood or sweat as a clerk typist, and outside of the crying you have done in this forum, you've had no need to shed any tears.

September 18, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123... You can only opt out if you belong to a fiercely independent religious culture like the Amish,and can prove it.

Read more: Opt Out of Social Security http://dailyreckoning.com/opt-out-of-social-security/#ixzz26qxYUa19

you are forced to pay F.I.C.A. insurance taxes on every check you receive for work done.So I would consider that confiscation by force since I have no choice.

September 18, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

Keep whining about taxes. Keep calling it "force" as well. I'll keep laughing at you.

September 18, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Only because the government forced them to be! I would be happy as hell if I could have opted out but the government traps you into dependence after they confiscate your earnings by force. Progressives are bullies!"

If that's the way you feel, there are choices you can make. You're free to seek a job where you can work under the table and be paid cash, if you can find such a position.

No one forces you to do a thing. Learn to speak spanish. Buy an identity on the black market. Knock yourself out amigo.

September 18, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
fairmon said...

Easy and alprova...

Say it any way you want to but there is no way to legally avoid having whatever amount the government decides confiscated for taxes and fees from legally earned income which, they will spend, waste, redistribute or give away at their discretion. They do because of their benevolent heart not favor showing allow some to deduct or reduce their taxes or be exempt from taxes so they can support their party or "vote correctly".

September 18, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

harp,

Yes, there are legal ways. I already cited those exemptions.

September 18, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tu_ 4:18 Bwahahahahahahaha

September 18, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

So Romney finally has shown his true colors. Maybe this’ll shake you Romney supporters back to reality. It is a fact that the 1% (such as the leeches at the $50,000 a plate dinner he spoke to) received $16 trillion in Federal Reserve bailout funds/guarantees. The 1% is hiding $31 trillion tax free in island nations around the globe. The 1% and corporations, with billions in profits, often pay no taxes at all - or much less percentage than you. The 1% bankers/hedge funds sit on a pile of unregulated dark pool derivatives valued at close to a quadrillion dollars that they use to extort governments into doing their bidding.

In the narrative of these, and gullible Romney supporters, it's the little people collecting social security, Medicare and food stamps, all programs which they paid in to for a lifetime, that are the freeloaders. When in truth, it is the 1% that are the true parasites. They are bleeding us like vampires in the night. They are the greatest threat to civilized society in human history.

Obama is certainly a catastrophe, but Romney, if ever that punk is elected, will be much much worse. Thank god Romney has to come out into the light once in a while. When he does he always burns.
Stand next to him in front of a mirror, you will only see yourself in the reflection.

Kudos to Alprova. "A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for a man who really, really wants to be President!!" Thats great :-)

September 18, 2012 at 4:44 p.m.
miraweb said...

The math is pretty simple.

Let's take a military Staff Sergeant (E6). The basic salary is $27,814. Military families tend to marry earlier and have more kids so lets give this soldier a spouse and three children.

$ 27,814 Gross Income

$(11,900) Standard Deduction Married Filing Jointly

$(11,100) Standard Deduction for three children

$( 3,000) EITC for three children


$ 1,814 Net Income before other deductions

In this scenario, every soldier E5 or below would pay no income taxes at all. Many military families currently qualify for food stamps and many of their children get free lunches at school. Time in service to get to E5 varies. The shortest is about 4 years. The longest (Air Force) is about 8 years.

September 18, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
miraweb said...

No you do have a choice. TQQ.

You live in a country where taxes are required. If that bugs you that much, no one says you have to live here. But if you decide to do so - yeah, that is exactly how it works.

September 18, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
miraweb said...

Both of my brothers have served. Six of my first cousins have served. Five have done multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I have plenty of "cred" to talk about military families.

September 18, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama In 1998: "I Actually Believe In Redistribution"

September 18, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo shows his true racist colors again.

Obama's the one who's floundering. He's had four years to show us the wonders of unfettered liberalism and yet somehow he's in this neck and neck race for his political future.

Bill Maher talks about how Islam is not really the religion of peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=6RnhufDPbuM

Where were the riots from the muzzies when Bill talks trash?

September 18, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama just loves wealth redistribution. Take from one, give to another. How is that fiscally solvent in any form?

Believe polls or not, but they still show the race as tied. Where is this "floundering"? Romney's remarks pale in comparison with "I'll get rid of our nukes when I'm reelected".

September 18, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So, in order to exercise my "freedom" to opt out of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Income Tax all I have to do is disavow my US citizenship and go underground. Even then, you can live in fear of the government seeking you out and trying to make an example out of you.

What a joke.

America was supposed to be the place you could go to find freedom from an oppressive government. No More! No more because our population is now full of socialists indoctrinated in government screwls, and they vote!

September 18, 2012 at 5:44 p.m.
miraweb said...

BRP - I never said you had freedom not to pay your taxes. Not how it works. Not how it has ever worked. Taxes with representation was the goal of the revolutionary war. A nation without taxes is just fairy tale thinking.

TQQ - Actually, one of my she-cousins is currently an officer in the Marines. Another of my she-cousins just retired after 20 years in the Navy.

True, I personally haven't served. I did go to sign up during a period when I was unemployed as a young person. We got through the interviews, the physical, and started taking a look at the jobs that were available. I didn't see anything that day that I wanted to commit to doing for four years, and decided to come back later to see if there were any better options.

When I got home that day, there was a job offer from another company on my answering machine and I decided to take that. A road not taken, but there you go.

September 18, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

miraweb said... "I never said you had freedom not to pay your taxes. Not how it works. Not how it has ever worked. Taxes with representation was the goal of the revolutionary war. A nation without taxes is just fairy tale thinking."

Sorry miraweb, I was not addressing you, did not know you that had responded.

Supposedly, however, the income tax is voluntary. That is the only way it could pass constitutional muster. The only problem is the IRS thugs make it so hard to opt out that you have to effectively self-teach your way through law school so you can represent yourself in court against them. Even then, they harass and lie to employers so aggressively that employers think that you do not have an option and will decline to hire you rather than face a fight with the IRS.

September 18, 2012 at 6 p.m.
mymy said...

That 47% includes welfare and food stamp recipients who have lived on nothing else all their lives (produced more of themselves to add to the rolls over decades) and are too lazy/dumb to have self-responsibility, self-respect, get an education and a job.! It includes union members that have broken or are breaking the system and causing many governments-local, state-to go bankrupt. It includes people who want government to pay for their bad decisions in life. A lot of foolish people who just don’t get it nor do they want too. They cannot see beyond one day at a time. So on and so on. Democrats/liberals/progressive whatever one calls them have helped to produce and cultivate more and more of “their” base for ”their” vote. They could care less about the people of this country or the country itself—only power over you. Four more years of O and you will find out. He will have more “flexibility” to screw us over as a lame duck Liar n Chief President.

Many who voted for O who were forced to get help because Obama policies have made things worse and have lost their jobs will not vote for O. Many senior and military being hurt and see the damage O has done to the country with his foreign and domestic policies will not vote for O. Business owners who are being hurt will not vote for O. People wanting to keep a job with a small business will be more thoughtful in that voting booth. There will be a lot that will not vote for O (will not be fooled a second time) when they have to make that very important decision regarding their/children’s future.

Needless to say I nor you can predict the outcome, but the outcome of this election will be critical to the direction of this county. It has been going in the wrong direction for a long time (blame on both sides-this did not happen overnight), but Obama has put us in a severe downfall both domestic and foreign.

Just like the old saying a fool and his money will soon be parted, a foolish citizen will soon be parted from a county as they have known it with a vote for Obama liberal/socialist policies!!!

Romney is speaking the truth and should do more and with more passion!!!! Ignore the liberals and the liberal MSM attacks and think kiss my ……. I care about this country, the people and what it takes to get this country going in the right direction for the benefit of all who want the opportunity to succeed in their life. The reason for people wanting to come to this country is disappearing. Too many are coming now for the wrong reasons. Our stupid government will take care of them with handouts on the backs of the real citizen taxpayers!!! .

Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!

September 18, 2012 at 6:01 p.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."Please are you suggesting that either candidate gives a happy rat's butt about any of us? You can't be serious after watching the past 12 years and especially the last 3+. They both would qualify as the white house flower.....a blooming idiot."

Actually, Harp, I don't think we the people have the capacity to elect a President who gives a rat's butt about any of us, at least not anymore.

Certainly, it takes a measure of ego to want to be President. And certainly we can find fault with everyone who has held the office. But, of the presidents in my lifetime,I think Truman, Eisenhower, JFK and Carter cared about the average American person. In spite of the fact that, like Romney, Bush I could not empathize with the average American, I think he cared. Clinton probably cared but his personal foibles prevented him from being a great president - a tragedy for him and an even greater tragedy for us. And, I think President Obama cares.

September 18, 2012 at 6:05 p.m.
mymy said...

MTJohn: I'm not looking for favors. I'm looking for a leader which this country needs before it is completely destroyed by Obama and the liberals.

September 18, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo: You are NOT free to find a job where you are paid under the table and not report the income. That's totally illegal. But, like voting multiple times to a lib, I suppose it's ok if you don't get caught.

September 18, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Will the REAL Mitt Romney EVER stand up?

“I've maintained for some time, for all intents and purposes there is no "real" Mitt Romney. His political beliefs are the equivalent of Schrodinger's cat. They exist in every state at once until you open the box to observe them. If the one opening the box is a Tea Partier, they instantly lock into place as a set of Tea Party beliefs; if it's a bunch of GOP plutocrats staring down, that's whose beliefs he'll mirror. Romney has spent the last five years in an intensive period of study, with his subject the contemporary American conservative mind in all its permutations. He's well aware that the misleading talking point about 47 percent of Americans not paying taxes gets repeated all the time on the right, in private and public. What he was telling the people in that room is what he tells any group of people he speaks to. His message was, in Christine O'Donnell's immortal words, "I'm you."

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/09/did-the-real-mitt-romney-just-stand-up-still-writing.html

September 18, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
mymy said...

It all boils down to what John Kennedy said: There are those who ask what their country can do for you, and those who ask what you can do for your country.

Just read this Opinion:

There is no sin greater in a presidential race than telling the truth. Romney is being excoriated for accurately describing the situation in America today. Here are the stats:

49% of all Americans pay no fed income tax 47% receive a check from the government of which more than half are means tested welfare checks (Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, etc.) *36% of all Americans of working age are either not working or looking for work.

We must remember, however, that a great many of those who receive checks from the government have earned them. Some by their taxes over the years to Social Security and Medicare and others by paying a deeper price by service to their country.

The benefits Romney was talking about are means tested benefits, distributed based on income. All together 100 million Americans receive such benefits (out of a total population of 308 million), these benefits include welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, Medicaid and other such programs.

Generalities are always unjust. And painting with broad strokes will do many individuals an injustice. But the fact remains that our electorate is basically bifurcated into those who pay taxes and those who receive benefits.

The danger comes not with the benefit but with the sense of entitlement. Why do so many people feel Romney will be better at improving the economy and yet still plan to vote for Obama? The answer is that they care more about preserving their entitlements than about improving the economy. They have come to rely on political action more than economic growth as the key to their solvency.

Did Romney err in telling it like it is? It would have been better if he had made a forthright, factual statement on the issue. It looks bad for these unpleasant facts to come out in a "gotcha" moment at a videotaped private event. But the fact remains that an Obama reelection would turn the tide psychologically in America from the land of upward mobility through hard work and initiative and toward a country akin to Greece: dependent on government aid in the form of a subsidy and government handouts.

By stating this fundamental truth, albeit off the record, Romney has done a service for which he should be praised not excoriated. It all boils down to what John Kennedy said: There are those who ask what their country can do for you, and those who ask what you can do for your country.

September 18, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Romney's "gaffe" was probably the smarted thing he's done. He needs to run on it.

September 18, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

Certainly, it takes a measure of ego to want to be President. And certainly we can find fault with everyone who has held the office. But, of the presidents in my lifetime,I think Truman, Eisenhower, JFK and Carter cared about the average American person. In spite of the fact that, like Romney, Bush I could not empathize with the average American, I think he cared. Clinton probably cared but his personal foibles prevented him from being a great president - a tragedy for him and an even greater tragedy for us. And, I think President Obama cares.

I agree with Truman, Eisenhower and JFK. Carter was terrible and if he did care he sure blew it. Since then, in my opinion, the desire to be elected has seemed to over ride all else and that includes Obama.

September 18, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Mymy asks: "Did Romney err in telling it like it is?"

Like it is? I don't know about this, MyMy. But I think we can safely assume that Romney was lying last Feb when he said he was concerned about the heart of America - the 90, 95 percent.

“I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there, If it needs repair, I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine."

I’m concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90 percent, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling.” [Mitt Romney - Feb/2012]

September 18, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
mymy said...

LOL

Now that the White House and State Department have made clear that they believe movies compel terrorists to terrorize, it's time for them to get ahead of this problem. And one thing the White House can do immediately is to pressure Sony to stop the release of director Kathryn Bigelow's "Zero Dark Thirty," which celebrates the killing of Osama bin Laden.

I'm only saying this because, you know, the White House and the media told me movies inflame and cause terrorism.

Think about it: if the poorly produced and laughably bad trailer for "The Innocence of Muslims" results in chaos, murder, and the burning of foreign outposts all throughout the Middle East, how much rioting and mayhem is a big-budgeted, slickly produced, Oscar-bait blockbuster celebrating the death of the leader of al-Qaeda going to cause?

Moreover, an excuse Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will not be able to use in the case of "Zero Dark Thirty" (as she did with "Innocence of Muslims") is the cowardly and self-righteous claim that the federal government and the Obama White House had nothing to do with "Zero Dark Thirty."

Because the federal government and the Obama White House had everything to do with "Zero Dark Thirty."

As we now know, in an effort to get this glitzy in-kind contribution (tens of millions of dollars) up on the screen in time to affect the election, it was the Obama Administration that gave the filmmakers tons of encouragement and a troubling amount of access to all kinds of classified material.

But this very same Obama Administration has since learned that it wasn't the Obama Doctrine of disengaging with the Middle East and embracing the Muslim Brotherhood that caused all this mayhem and murder last week. It was a movie.

This means that the only responsible thing for the Obama Administration to do is to get proactive and, in the interest of national security and to help ensure the safety of Americans overseas, put as much pressure as they can on Sony to stop the distribution of "Zero Dark Thirty."

After all, this is what the Administration did to YouTube to stop the distribution of "The Innocence of Muslims."

And I'm certain no one in Hollywood would be alarmed if the government were to pressure Sony not to release its film. Why would they if they won't stand up for the "Innocence of Muslims" filmmaker being persecuted by our government and media overlords today?

You know, because movies create terrorism.

September 18, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
MTJohn said...

mymy said..."MTJohn: I'm not looking for favors. I'm looking for a leader which this country needs before it is completely destroyed by Obama and the liberals."

The only "favor" that I'm looking for is a president who is committed to working on behalf of ALL Americans. That person is not Mitt Romney.

And, in spite of all of the right wing rhetoric to the contrary, President Obama has not destroyed this country. It was already a mess before he took office - a mess that resulted from a government that only works on behalf of the powerful multi-national corporations.

September 18, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."Romney's "gaffe" was probably the smarted thing he's done. He needs to run on it."

Only because he has done a lot of dumb things. Yes, he will run on it. And, like the rest of his campaign, the rhetoric that he uses will not fact check.

September 18, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
mymy said...

MT: LOL

You are full of BS as usual!!!!

All those pretty promises and what did you get!!

I've said before: don't just hear what he says, but watch what he does.

You are a fool!!!!!

September 18, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney said in his damage-control press conference that he really wanted the whole fundraiser video released. Well - it has been. Careful what you wish for.

Romney appears as unable as ever to engage in anything approaching self reflection. He warms up the crowd with his "hardworking American immigrants" story - then trips over himself about 5 minutes later:

MITT ROMNEY:

And-- had he [Mitt's dad] been born of Mexican parents I'd have a better shot of winning this, but he was-- (LAUGHTER) unfortunately born of Americans living in Mexico. They'd lived there for a number of years. And-- I mean I say that jokingly, but it'd be helpful to be-- Latino.

But-- but-- but his-- his dad was in construction, very successful, in Mexico, but in America went broke more than once. 

So my dad never had the money or time to get a college degree.  Without a college degree, became head of a big car company and ultimately governor. 

And-- and believed in America.  Believed in the opportunity of this country.  Never doubted for a moment that he could achieve his dreams . . .

And Ann's dad, my wife's dad, was born in Wales. . . . And-- and then they got together as a family and said, "You know, to be successful in America you've gotta get an education." 

And they couldn't afford an education.  And the kids and the parents said, "You know, if we all work and we all save we could afford to send one of us to college." 

And they-- they sent my wife's dad.  Can you imagine working every day, taking a couple of jobs and saving your money so that your brother could go to-- I mean I would never do that for my brother. 

(FIVE MINUTES LATER)

I am-- I am concerned about the future but also optimistic, as I say.  I-- I-- I look forward to getting America back on track and having-- and having people-- plan on-- on-- on bringing their-- their ideas and their dreams to this country.  We need big dreamers, by the way.

I'm just-- just-- we didn't talk about immigration today, but gosh I'd like to bring in more legal immigrants that have skill and knowledge. 

I'd like to staple a green card to every PhD in the world and say, "Come to America.  We want you here."

Instead we-- we make it hard for people who get educated here or elsewhere to make this their home.

Unless, of course, you have no skill or experience, in which case you're welcome to cross the border and stay here (LAUGH) the rest of your life. 

It's a very strange setup-- run by people who don't understand that we're in a global competition of ideas and-- and our idea has to win, but only if America remains strong.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/18/13943563-full-video-and-transcript-of-leaked-romney-fundraiser-remarks?lite

September 18, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

Easy123 said... harp,

Yes, there are legal ways. I already cited those exemptions.

I know some states, ministers, the rail road and a few others can participate in something other than social security. Everybody does not have or want those options. Some prefer being self employed or working for a company that pays them well for what they know and can do for their company. To exercise that option the government will require that employer to withhold taxes at the rate they designate without input regarding how it is spent, wasted or given away at their discretion.

Anyone with sense enough to get in out of the rain the option to not participate will buy a private disability insurance policy and safely invest what is confiscated and matched by their employer and have a heck of a lot better return than what a broke social security system will pay them. Why not at least allow people the option of opting out and make sure those too stupid to manage their own affairs need to know there will be no help of any kind will be available if they opt out.

If you think I won't watch you starve to death or get sick and die if you are broke due to laziness and ignorance then you are wrong. The government is the worst enabler of irresponsibity which was illistrated by their baling out the banks and others plus all the freebies.

September 18, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Report: Median Income Worse Now Than It Was During Great Recession

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/report-median-income-worse-now-than-it-was-during-great-recession/

Only a freakin' moron could try to defend this "president".

September 18, 2012 at 7:28 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

THE FOOD STAMP RECOVERY:

The Unprecedented Increase in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program 2008–12

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ir_23.htm#.UFkD841lS0h

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

September 18, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You leftists would have fit in nicely in Guyana. Staggering gullibility.

September 18, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama Running Campaign Ads On Video Games In Battleground States

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/obama-running-campaign-ads-on-video-games-in-battleground-states/

Seems the mindless gamer community is an untapped plethora of liberal voters.

With free food, free housing and free health care from Obama's stash, they can game all day with no worries at all! The perfect liberal voter.

September 18, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
patriot1 said...

The colonist's slogan "Taxation without representation" has now been turned on it's head. For almost half the country we now have "representation without taxation"....what a turn around.

September 18, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney's view of immigration is particularly fascinating to me as my family immigrated along with his from the U.S. to Mexico - and back again - because of polygamy.

They undoubtedly knew each other well and lived in the same town, Colonia Juarez, for a time.

Judith Freeman wrote that Miles Romney borrowed $1,000 in bail from her grandfather and then skipped out and scuttled across the border around 1886.

While Mitt Romney may have inherited U.S. citizenship from his mother, his father's situation is pretty murky. (1)

The governor of the state of Chihuahua immediately ordered them deported back to the U.S.

They sent representatives to Mexico City and, somehow, got the governor removed and permission from the President of Mexico to stay. Couldn't say if a bribe was involved.

The Mormons bought some land and held it in common (not really believing in private property at that time). After they built their houses, they found out they were actually on someone else's property and were evicted.

Both Mitt's family and mine crossed the Rio Grande in 1912 near El Paso.

The reason was the fighting during the Mexican Revolution. My family for many years were not fans of Pancho Villa.

My great-grandmother - who I knew - was part of a group sent to border to give food and shelter to the people crossing into the U.S. She said the conditions were really horrific. A lot of the men abandoned their large families. It was a really tough situation with most of the people crossing basically penniless.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romney-asked-to-pay-back-his-great-grandfathers-130-year-old-debt-2012-8

http://www.whipple.org/edson/piedrasverdes.html

1) The Edmund-Tucker Act stripped U.S. Citizenship from men convicted of polygamy. The Romney clan is descended from Miles P. Romney's first wife - who, at that time, would have the same citizenship as her legal husband and would have lost her U.S. citizenship when her husband did.

If George Romney had been descended from one of the other four wives, he might have been able to claim legal U.S. citizenship from his grandmother - as she would not have been recognized as legally married by the U.S.

As it stands, George Romney was probably not a legal U.S. citizen when he crossed the Rio Grande into Texas as the son of a poor construction worker.

Yeah. Ironic.

September 18, 2012 at 8:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/17/1132916/-I-m-not-in-Mitt-s-47-percent

Solid article posted by acerigger. Worth another read.

September 18, 2012 at 8:23 p.m.
ricardo said...

I'm part of the 47%, I am 100% American, and I pay a 28% tax rate. Don't try to put me in a box.

September 18, 2012 at 8:27 p.m.
miraweb said...

patriot - except that isn't true. Even if your income is too low for income tax, you will still have to pay FICA and Medicare

FICA and Medicare taxes, alone, are more than Mitt pays altogether as a percentage of income.

As the old saw says "the rich and the poor alike can deduct capital gains and move millions into an IRA."

Or some such.

September 18, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.
alprova said...

"Report: Median Income Worse Now Than It Was During Great Recession."

"Only a freakin' moron could try to defend this "president"."

But of course. The President of the United States always tells private sector employers what they must pay their employees.

It's all his fault that people are making less because he didn't write up an executive order declaring that every employer must pay their employees $65,000 a year.

September 18, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Tu_quoque wrote: "I did [serve in the military] … why didn’t you ??"

"Looks like you're letting your male family members carry the weight. Not a very feminist position if you ask me."

I've finally figured something out. I always wondered what your deal was. Now I know.

You have penis envy. You wish you had one, or perhaps it may be that you are in the process of obtaining one.

I just have one question; Do you like girls or guys?

September 18, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.
miraweb said...

One more piece of citizenship trivia. Women did not become citizens in their own right until 1922. Mitt's parents married in 1931.

Nine years earlier his mother could have lost her U.S. citizenship upon marriage to a non-citizen and Mitt would not have been eligible to run for president.

September 18, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.
ricardo said...

miraweb said... "Nine years earlier his mother could have lost her U.S. citizenship upon marriage to a non-citizen and Mitt would not have been eligible to run for president."

Where's his birth certificate? Is he an anchor baby?

September 18, 2012 at 8:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Say it any way you want to but there is no way to legally avoid having whatever amount the government decides confiscated for taxes and fees from legally earned income which, they will spend, waste, redistribute or give away at their discretion."

And in exchange for that, you are allowed to claim citizenship in what most people consider to be the greatest country in the world. You get to live your life rather freely, without any threat hanging over your head of being arrested and incarcerated without due process.

You live in a country guided by the rule of law. You have rights guaranteed by the Constitution, a document constantly referred to 236 years after it was written. You can own real estate. You can choose your mate. You can choose your occupation. You have all kinds of choices not extended to people in other lands.

You can own a car. You can buy as much gasoline to power it that you can afford and then drive it from coast to coast, passing through many different jurisdictions without so much as a hinderance, so long as you do not excessively exceed the posted speed limits.

You are allowed to patronize any establishment open to the public. You can apply for credit. Your money is protected if deposited in any bank in this country. The sky is practically the limit. The world is your oyster as an American.

Paying taxes, regardless how they are used by the Gov't, is a rather decent exchange for the life you are allowed to live in this country, is it not?

I revert to my previous statement; Some people look at a glass that is filled halfway as being half-full. Others see a glass that is half-empty.

I am a person who tries to see the positive side of everything. There are plenty of people who concentrate only on what appears to be negative.

One day, when the time comes, I'll die a happy man, content and appreciative for the life that was given me.

I'm firmly convinced that there will be many people who, when they will pass on from this life, will be put completely out of their misery.

September 18, 2012 at 9:04 p.m.
alprova said...

"Seems the mindless gamer community is an untapped plethora of liberal voters."

Rather innovative, eh? I'll bet the Mitt Romney camp has been saying, "Now why didn't we think of that?"

"With free food, free housing and free health care from Obama's stash, they can game all day with no worries at all! The perfect liberal voter."

Mr. Romney, the Chattanooga area is already in your bag. If you hope to have any chance of winning the Presidency, instead of posting in here, it might be a better use of your time to concentrate your attention in the eight battleground states that the President is leading in at the moment.

September 18, 2012 at 9:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: Got in the relgious jabs, huh? You tolerant lefties are shameless.

September 18, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm really miffed.

I get emails all the time from the Obama camp, including the President and the First Lady. They never fail to thank me each and every time for my support and for the checks that I sent.

I get nothing from R&R or the Republicans, and haven't since 2008, and I'm still a registered Republican.

I wonder how many other people feel left out by the Republicans.

September 18, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quarrelsometohavebeenmarriedever... Clever reference to Mitt Foley! You even captured his political shifts. I can see him bouncing back and forth in the living room... Old Mitt's over here, Old Mitt's over there... Weird wild stuff.

Didn't mean to gloat about you underestimating the punch of what turned out to be the lead story on every evening newscast. You sure spend a ton of time here to miss so badly so often. Self aggrandisement is usually a more successful annoyance weapon if you're actually right every now and then! Remember Chief Justice Roberts? That must still hurt.

September 18, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo, where exactly are you "registered" as a republican? I have contributed to the RNC many times but know nothing of this "registration."

September 18, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Mittster Bo Jangles... dance. Oh wait, he is! He's doing the slide.

September 18, 2012 at 9:50 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “Romney's "gaffe" was probably the smarted thing he's done. He needs to run on it.”

Thanks for the advice, Jack . . . “I’m not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said. Whatever it was.” . . . Forever yours, Mitt.

September 18, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "I wonder how many other people feel left out by the Republicans."

Anyone who is really looking for truly limited government. I got dozens of invitations to the DNC (how clueless are they?) but not one to the RNC. I think they probably knew I would show up with a Ron Paul t-shirt on and a loud voice for freedom.

You have no business maintaining any status as a registered republican. I suspect you vote in the republican primaries just to cast a contrary vote. After all, what can you accomplish voting for a democrat in this district? You should either register as a democrat or show your true colors and register with the communist party of amerika.

September 18, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
miraweb said...

Alprova

I still get the mails from the GOP. After Bush they rented their list out so you get all sorts of bizarro-conservative world spam along with apocalyptic Tea Party predictions of doom and despair. It rotates through guns, God, and hatred towards immigrants. Never a thank you, I'm afraid. The Obama emails are a class act. The GOP ones are pretty strange.

September 18, 2012 at 10:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Alprova,

tu_quoque said...

"I love and can satisfy both"

Tu has penis envy AND is bisexual. I think you hit the nail on the head, Alprova. LMFAO!

September 18, 2012 at 11:23 p.m.
fairmon said...

alpro ask tu_quoque ”I just have one question; Do you like girls or guys?” who responded to alpro with.....

I love and can satisfy both which I can safely say, from my discussions with you, leaves me two up on you pal.

My kind of woman....what say you now alpro?

September 18, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Anyone who is really looking for truly limited government. I got dozens of invitations to the DNC (how clueless are they?) but not one to the RNC. I think they probably knew I would show up with a Ron Paul t-shirt on and a loud voice for freedom."

I'm not a Ron Paul fan, but I was appalled to watch time and time again the crappy treatment that his supporters received across the country and at the Republican Convention.

Right is right and wrong is wrong, despite my personal opinion of the man.

"You have no business maintaining any status as a registered republican. I suspect you vote in the republican primaries just to cast a contrary vote."

Way back when I registered to vote, I elected to support the Republican Party. It's a moot point these days, as the oaths to support one party or the other are no longer demanded, and anyone registering to vote today does not select a political party when registering to vote.

Newt Gingrich was the favored candidate in Georgia. I voted for Mitt Romney on primary day, for all the good that it did. Newt won.

"After all, what can you accomplish voting for a democrat in this district?"

I have never requested a Democrat ballot during a primary election.

"You should either register as a democrat or show your true colors and register with the communist party of amerika."

That's a novel idea, but Georgia only recognizes the two parties, and despite your belief, I am not a communist. I vote for many local Republican candidates, but I am totally not on board with the national version of the Republican Party, and until further notice, I retain the right to support and vote for the candidate of my own choice.

September 18, 2012 at 11:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

I did find ironic that Romney would launch a dig at immigrants who arrive with limited means and education when his own father is that very success story. I think Romney is a prep school bigot who gets that people "like him" with the right "culture" are going to have success.

His family story is a lot closer to the Latino kids seeking access to any college under the Dream Act than maybe even he realizes.

A lot of Americans have immigration stories that press the outer limits of legal. Even one of the pilgrims was hidden on the Mayflower because an arrest warrant was waiting for him.

September 18, 2012 at 11:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

You're the one that claimed your own bisexuality. I simply restated it.

Are you Conservatard "girls" really that sexually repressed/confused? Or will you just take whatever is available? Or is it all projection?

I think Freud made that claim about 80 years ago. Does that qualify as "talk"?

ROTFLMFAO!

September 18, 2012 at 11:42 p.m.
fairmon said...

alpro said....

Paying taxes, regardless how they are used by the Gov't, is a rather decent exchange for the life you are allowed to live in this country, is it not?

All of those things you list as rights, as provided in the constitution are correct. However, that does not mean nor does the constitution suggest the government can waste and spend frivolously that they take from citizens to operate the government. So I will continue writing, calling and raising hell with local, state and federal politicians about their pp management of the dollars they confiscate from people.

Those supporting Obama and Romney are greedy and selfish as evidenced by their willingness to further in-debt their children and future generations to satisfy their wants now. They refuse to sacrifice a thing and have an attitude of that is their problem, I want mine now. It is ludicrous to think and act like you can borrow, spend and print your way out of debt and to prosperity.

Keep wearing those rose colored glasses and those that give things a brighter look. Just keep on using those credit cards and paying interest only on those that are full. By the time you have so many full they take all your income to just pay the interest you will probably be dead and your debts not paid by your estate will die with you. But, your children and grand children will assume your share of the government debt unless it dies also.

September 18, 2012 at 11:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

I've heard of it. I know a few people that have "come out".

Which issue are you talking about? Until you are more specific, I'm not sure how anything could be detected by anyone's "gaydar". But if you are implying that I am a homosexual, you would be wrong again. I guess when you "encounter a strong male personality you try to hide your weaknesses by questioning his sexuality". Wait, that sounds familiar! LMFAO at your hypocrisy!

You can't see anything on the "scope from here".

I have no discomfort discussing anything. You're the one that seems to be side-stepping the issue after you laid it out on the table.

LMFAO at your two-step. Let's discuss it, shall we?

September 19, 2012 at 12:21 a.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Why would I need to do that since I have no need of one to best you?"

To best me? I wasn't under any impression that there was any competition ongoing between the two of us.

"Like most modern metro sexual “males” you talk a good game but deep inside you sense your sexual weakness and when encountered with a strong female personality you try to hide that weakness by questioning her identity."

You don't have a "strong female personality." You pathetically practice the art of cyber-slapping people while hiding behind a keyboard and a monitor, and the last time I checked, gender was not a qualification listed on a troll application, or could it be that you skipped the application process and went right to work?

"As in this case of taking the position that a strong woman that opposes you must surely be unsatisfied and could only relieve that by the acquisition of the male sexual member."

Honey, given the tone in each of your posts, you have to be the most unsatisfied person on the face of the planet. Nobody can be as arrogant and rude as you are on a consistent basis, and have a decent love life too. You ooze a lack of love frustration with each and every word you type.

"Well let me assure you that if that ever became a need I would unlike you select an operational model."

Let me assure you that because you were born a female, the only option open to you would involve a functioning hand pump.

I have never had any need to select one. I came right from the factory equipped with a fully functioning unit, at no extra charge.

I previously inquired: ”I just have one question; Do you like girls or guys?”

Tu_quoque's response: "I love and can satisfy both which I can safely say, from my discussions with you, leaves me two up on you pal."

Okey dokey. I wasn't asking for you to brag or anything. I don't have any desire to "best you" on that claim. Please feel free to launch and float that boat all by your lonesome.

I've been off the market for many years now, as I am happily married, so you win by default.

September 19, 2012 at 12:35 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Keep wearing those rose colored glasses and those that give things a brighter look."

I reject your claim that I wear rose colored glasses. I don't deny that this country has serious problems. What I do deny is that they need to be resolved overnight.

One step at a time. 535 people in Washington D.C. are going to have to start working toward some common goals, or it will never get better.

But it's not going to be ever be solved by cutting taxes on top income earners and saddling the poor and the lower middle classes with the burden of paying off the national debt either.

"Just keep on using those credit cards and paying interest only on those that are full. By the time you have so many full they take all your income to just pay the interest you will probably be dead and your debts not paid by your estate will die with you."

Personally, I haven't had a credit card in my pocket since 1999. I paid the last one off that year, cut them all up, and closed every single account. I don't even have a debit card in my name. My wife has a debit card, but I don't.

It's cash, check, or electronic debit from one of my bank accounts.

September 19, 2012 at 12:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

alpro said....

Personally, I haven't had a credit card in my pocket since 1999. I paid the last one off that year, cut them all up, and closed every single account. I don't even have a debit card in my name. My wife has a debit card, but I don't.

We do agree on how to handle personal finances. Why is your attitude so different in how governments should operate? I live wrecklessy and pay cash in person or check by mail. I do keep one credit card for on line purchases but have never paid 1 cent of interest on it and get 1% back.

September 19, 2012 at 2:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

One step at a time. 535 people in Washington D.C. are going to have to start working toward some common goals, or it will never get better.

That would be good but they can't reconcile what the goals should be. I personally don't think gird lock and allowing the tax rates to revert to the old rates (all of them) would be the fiscal cliff some predict. In fact, I think it is time to increase all rates to the point the budget is balanced even if the debt remains at 16 trillion. Inflation in time will cause that to appear to be very little if Bernanke keeps printing money.

September 19, 2012 at 3 a.m.
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