published Wednesday, September 19th, 2012

'Nations should mourn together' and other letters to the editor

Nations should mourn together

America and Libya should jointly mourn the Benghazi attack deaths. Your Sept. 13 report states that in addition to four American diplomats, several Libyan security guards gave their lives defending the consulate.

I urge religious and other civic leaders to appeal to Libyan and U.S. authorities to declare a joint mourning period in pubic space near the consulate in Benghazi and suggest other mourning at appropriate locations around the world, which mourners may chose at their discretion

There should be no object or monument now, to become a focus for further violence.

Let three colors symbolize mourning. Each mourner might leave several small harmless colored objects as he (she) departs the place of mourning (pebbles, a scrap of cloth, tiny flags, a pinch of colored sand.), to say, "I was here." No glass, please; no signs or graffiti.

This mourning should be silent, no speeches or fanfare, even if on the way to a speech or talks.

B. CARTER PATE


Got instruments? Donate to Howard

With regard to letter (Sept. 14) by Rob Fowler, it occurred to me, that I'll bet many families have high school instruments stored up in the attic that will never be used again.

Why not resurrect them and donate them to Howard for a full band?

BETTY COOPER, Signal Mountain


Seek face of God to live in safety

This nation is in crisis. Not just economically, not just our security from those who would destroy us, but most importantly, morally. We must be a nation that values the life of every unborn child, marital purity, and helping the poor (especially children and the elderly), for God to continue His blessings on our country. If it hasn't happened already, we are in danger of God's hand being removed from our nation.

In the Old Testament, time and again, God would bless people, and as they turned from Him, He would allow their behavior to bring about dire consequences until they once again turned to Him in repentance and humility. God would send His prophets to tell what was going to happen, but the people rarely listened.

God's desire is for our safety. Proverbs 1:33 states, "But whoever listens to me will live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm." (NIV) However, for that to happen, as a nation we must seek the face of God.

SANDY HARRIS, Lookout Mountain, Ga.


Is county policy really freedom?

Christianity loses when prayer is politicized. Far too often in America, and especially the South, we find religion overrun and consumed by politics and the government. It is fair to say that no one is happy with the Hamilton County Commission's prayer policy as even the president of Chattanooga's own Tea Party, Mark West, took issue with the "all inclusive" policy that prevents and excludes over 99 percent of Hamilton County residents who do not meet the county's requirements from offering up prayer at the meetings.

Make no doubt about it, the County Commission does not have Christianity's best interests at heart. They have politicized prayer and now as indicated by a federal judge, must also police prayer. The judge made it clear in his preliminary injunction ruling last month that Hamilton County is responsible for the enforcement and policing of its prayer policy. The government is now responsible for your prayers.

Hamilton County, through the acts and omissions of its county commissioners, has taken it upon itself to police and adjudicate your religion, your faith and your spirituality. They will decide what an acceptable prayer is and what is not. Is this really freedom of religion?

TOMMY COLEMAN


Story shows bias for private school

After reading the article about tailgating written by Karen Nazor Hill, (Life section, Sept. 15), I have some questions. Why is there no picture from the tailgating section at Soddy-Daisy High School, and why are both of the pictures from Baylor? Why is one of the pictures not of a tailgating party, but of the Baylor football team walking into the stadium?

I think that someone could have taken a picture of the Underwood family mentioned in the article or other Soddy-Daisy families tailgating.

The article appears to imply "we do it bigger and better at Baylor." It seems to me that there is no small amount of private school bias going on in this article.

ANNE HENDRIX, Soddy-Daisy


This election is about issues

If you think this election is about race, one of us has been under a rock for the past four years. I don't believe it is me. This is about issues affecting all Americans. Nothing more needs to be said, other than get a life!

Great to see that race would not influence your vote?

PETE GIBSON


Chicago needs caring instructors

I'm for the common people banding together to push for livable standards of living, but I must say that what is happening in Chicago seems to be the capitalists' greatest fear when it comes to labor unions.

These people are pushing into upper middle class earnings for less work than others in their socioeconomic level in conditions that aren't particularly dangerous or harmful. It would be far more reasonable, given the apparent state of education levels in that city, to invest that spending into the students and not their instructors.

It seems like it's about time to hire professors who care more about academic performance and programs than padding their pockets.

ANTHONY BOTTICELLI, Cleveland, Tenn.


Crutchfield's punishment over

Ward Crutchfield was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to a specified period of confinement and other sanctions. He has successfully served his sentence and completed his punishment. He is now a "free man."

He is still a United States citizen, a citizen of Tennessee and a citizen of Chattanooga. Unless there is a law that prevents anyone having been convicted of anything from exercising his or her rights as a citizen, then Ward Crutchfield is eligible to run for City Council of Chattanooga. Not everyone shares that belief, but unless there is a valid, constitutional law barring him from this endeavor, he cannot be prevented from doing so.

Those who do not accept this fact miss the point of a person having done their time. His punishment is over.

BILL FRAKER


Obama knows what he's doing

I have to disagree with all of you who have been sending in letters where you say that President Obama doesn't know what he's doing. I think he knows "exactly" what he's doing.

WAYNE W. WALLACE, Hixson


Time is short for coming together

I really hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there are no big rock-candy mountains, gum-drop trees or rivers of chocolate like we were promised in 2008.

We are still a nation at war, with our military soldiers losing their lives at the rate of one per day.

This election is truly nauseating. I have never seen a nation so divided on both sides. When are the grown-ups on both sides showing up?

I truly believe in reinstating the Selective Service system, when everyone turning 18 must serve for two years in some sort of capacity. Believe me, you will grow up and have a renewed insight on what made our nation once great.

To our politicians: Tear out the so-called aisle and please come together to make this a United States! We still have time -- but time is fleeting.

BENJAMIN SUTTON, USN Veteran, Hiawassee, Ga.

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

"Seek face of God to live in safety"

What a delightful article this is. "God's desire is for our safety." Absolute truth! In the Holy Bible The Lord God of Hosts proclaims, " For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.Then shall ye call upon Me, and ye shall go and pray unto Me, and I will hearken unto you. And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart."

Jeremiah 29th Chapter

Acts 3:26

"Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."

September 19, 2012 at 2:02 a.m.
Easy123 said...

I always giggle a little when Orr reads from his holy book of myths.

Orr,

Your god has no desire to keep anyone safe. Millions of people die everyday. How do you reconcile your claim with reality?

September 19, 2012 at 2:56 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Celebrate YOUR unbelief Easy...respect the right of others, even Orr to believe. The division of this nation is tearing it apart. I find it utterly amazing at the uniformed or deluded persons who think we can continue on the current track and not end up in economic disaster. The saddest part is the delusion is rampant on both sides politically. The leftist Democrats unapologetically proclaim we just need to spend our way out of the disaster even as it grows greater the more we borrow and give out. The right states, "Let us have a shot at changing it, we believe in smaller government." Yet even under so called conservative leadership, the big government spending band plays on. So where are we headed? That is a very good question. If we go left, it appears the economic bus slides a little more quickly over the cliff's edge. If we go right, well it may take a little longer but no one is trying to hook the bus up to something that will pull us back up to level ground. Meanwhile, we get on these sites and rant back and forth over "our" perspective and "our" candidate. Will we ever wake up? Will there be a leader who has the guts to at least attempt to take us in the true correct direction nationally? I hope so but am not holding my breath. We do need, as was mentioned in a letter today, to pull together and stop the fighting. When our politicians discovered they could get away with it, they starting campaigning full time and have neglected giving needed leadership in order to get re-elected. That is a shame.

September 19, 2012 at 6:40 a.m.
dao1980 said...

The torturers who burned people at the stake during the spanish inquisition truly and honestly believed that they were saving souls.

The muslim and christian terrorists that destroy lives and murder women and children, truly and honestly believe that they are saving souls.

Vain, pompous, hateful people like conservative, ORR, and L4l (and many like them), truly believe that they are saving souls...

It's amazing what terrible things the human mind can be at peace with, when all you have to do is pray to your god before doing evil to others.

Mans greatest, vainest evil, is believing that he communicates directly with god, thus knowing what no one else does, while being charged by god with the task of "converting" those around him.

Why do you think that religion is in steep decline in developed nations, while remaining a raging cancer of ignorance and uncontrollable violence in undeveloped nations?

Could it be that in these developed nations, things like public libraries, internet access, strong education in the sciences, and an overall ease of access to information is revealing organized religion to be a grotesque disability to the progress of modern society?

Could it be that any nation striving for progress towards a continually improving and more idealistic society of freedom and equality, must leave the mythological dogmas of the past... in the past?

September 19, 2012 at 8:32 a.m.
ldurham said...

I love these precious people who are sending money to Howard School for band instruments and uniforms. Most of them are well-meaning, and probably can't afford it. They're sucked into it by a newspaper that loves to take on a "good cause."

Too bad the newspaper doesn't actually do research, and report on the fact that Rev. W.C. Hunter fell for the same thing 5 years ago, donating $25,000 to the Howard Band. Those new instruments and uniforms walked out the door a few months later, and never came back. Wonder if this will happen again?

September 19, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Livn4Life,

"Celebrate YOUR unbelief Easy"

Do you celebrate your "unbelief" in Thor, Allah, or Vishnu? I didn't think so.

"...respect the right of others, even Orr to believe."

Ignorance, lies, misinformation and myth do not deserve respect. Your and Orr's opinion/position/belief is not equivalent to someone that uses logic, reason, or science. It deserves ridicule. Do you respect others right to believe that the earth is flat or that the sun orbits the earth? I didn't think so.

September 19, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
Fendrel said...

I respect everyone's right to believe in whatever they like, but if they choose to believe in the absurd then they shouldn't be surprised when people laugh at and ridicule the object of their belief.

September 19, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.
LibDem said...

Good points, Mr. Coleman. When government and religion sleep together, they are both diminished.

September 19, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

"Is county policy really freedom?"

My Dear Mr. T. Comeman, I will invite You once again, and others, to 'learn' by example, from those 'informed' who 'lead' by example. The following is from The Congressional Record of our United States of America:

Thursday April 26, 2012 112th Congress Second Session Vol.158 No. 61

"The PRESIDING OFFICER. Today's opening prayer will be offered by Rev. Joel Osteen, senior pastor...The guest Chaplain offered the following prayer:

Let us pray.

Father we receive Your blessings today with grateful hearts, and thank You for the favor that You show us. As we pray for those who lead our Nation, we ask that You bless this body and those who serve in it. We thank You that these lawmakers serve with honor and integrity, and that You will continue to bless our Nation...Give them wisdom that they will make good decisions, courage that they will hold fast to Your truth...that all should prosper from their laws...We receive Your presence here today, Father, and pray that these lawmakers will remain mindful of You and that they will honor You...In Jesus' Name we pray. Amen

The Honorable Tom Udall led the Pledge of Allegiance, as follows:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America...one nation under God...

Please, Mr. Coleman, find Yourself a country. Find Yourself a country somewhere where You can present accurate statements regarding 'their' particular constitution. Remember, our Nation opens it's business of governing with Audible Prayer to The Lord God of Hosts, Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

Ken ORR

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2012-04-26/pdf/CREC-2012-04-26-senate.pdf

September 19, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

Find yourself a country. Find yourself a country where you can present accurate statements regarding 'their' particular constitution. Your statements about the United States Constitution are false, inaccurate, or blatant lies.

Congress prays because the Supreme Court ruled in favor of it based on historical precedent, not Constitutionality.

"Under God' wasn't added to the pledge until 1954. Try again.

Your argument is is fallacious and severely lacks substance.

September 19, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123, Just like the majority of those individuals who take the 'broad' road, You also were not able, or, willing to live the moral life of a Christian. Did I hear someone say 'Sour Grapes'? The things that You may want to do, to indulge in, are not acceptable to Your Creator. You must surrender to His will. You can do that while You still have breath, and, a beating heart! Or, You can continue knowing which of the following roads You 'have' taken: (If the wrong choice, You will discover the 'road not taken' and, what is in store for Your chosen eternity):

Easy, Your Creator has told You, when Jesus Christ declared that Your eternal Soul is not a game. All that You have is Your Soul.

Matthew 7:13

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat..."

September 19, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"You also were not able, or, willing to live the moral life of a Christian."

I live the moral life of an atheist.

"Did I hear someone say 'Sour Grapes'?"

I don't know. Are you schizophrenic?

"The things that You may want to do, to indulge in, are not acceptable to Your Creator."

You have no clue of anything that I may want to "indulge" in. The things I have "indulged" in are completely acceptable. I have two creators and they are my parents.

"You must surrender to His will."

I have no reason to "surrender" to the "will" of your mythological deity.

"You can do that while You still have breath, and, a beating heart!"

I could but that will never happen.

"Or, You can continue knowing which of the following roads You 'have' taken: (If the wrong choice, You will discover the 'road not taken' and, what is in store for Your chosen eternity):"

I will not discover anything about your myth. I don't follow any roads either. I live a moral life with joy and happiness. One day, I'll die and that will be the end of it.

"Easy, Your Creator has told You, when Jesus Christ declared that Your eternal Soul is not a game. All that You have is Your Soul."

My creators have told me no such thing. All that I have is my life, my conscious thought, family, friends, etc. I'm not a big believer of "souls".

September 19, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

lol "moral life of a christian"

I've read the xstain bible. Worship of a serial killer, and the illegitimate child result of its rape of an underaged girl.

Those morals are not good morals.

September 19, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
LibDem said...

I have to admit that what Mr. Orr says is tempting. Who wouldn't want to spend eternity with a bunch of self-righteous, humorless people?

September 19, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/19/ut-prayer-games-not-unconstitutional/?breakingnews

Also, on another subject, I am not at all surprised of Your comments. Jesus Christ has informed His followers regarding all such as You. Therefore...No Surprise! Please 'listen' to what The Lord God of Hosts, YHWH, has said through His servant:

"...Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts... But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men..." Saint Peter_3

September 19, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
LibDem said...

UT officials, all of whom have degrees in Constitutional Law, have announced that praying before games is not unconstitutional.

September 19, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

UT Officials have insight that there does not exist two United States of America governments. That is to say, One for Congress, and, One for society at large (the governed). I so much like what someone said that I will now quote them: "The Jefferson and Baptist "wall of separation" supports an individual's right to worship freely but has never been part of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution or any of the original documents quoted in an effort to end worship." The owner of this quote knows who she is, and, I do not think she needs a reference credit. Let's just say she would make a superb Congresswoman.

kwo

September 19, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"The Jefferson and Baptist "wall of separation" supports an individual's right to worship freely but has never been part of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution or any of the original documents quoted in an effort to end worship."

It's called the First Amendment and the vast majority of Supreme Court cases on that topic. Whoever made that quote hasn't read the Constitution or the Supreme Court cases that followed.

Let's just say you and the author of the quote are wrong.

September 19, 2012 at 10:05 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

That, no doubt, is the reason our Congress opens its sessions with Audible Prayer...Two distinct governments of this great United States of America...Yes, "...and to the Republic for which it stands, 'Two [2] Nations', under God, indivisible..." Easy123, now I understand, yes, now it's clear!

September 19, 2012 at 10:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

The Supreme Court allowed prayer/a chaplain in Congress based on historical precedent, not Constitutionality. Therefore, your argument is bunk.

There is only one government and it is secular.

"Under God" wasn't added to the pledge until 1954.

You'll never understand. I know this because I have said all this before yet you still cling to your ignorance.

September 19, 2012 at 11:04 p.m.

Actually, it's just that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over Congressional practices and protocols.

But as free adults, they can do what they like, it's not like they're compelled to pray.

September 20, 2012 at 3:16 a.m.
LibDem said...

And the Congress has an approval rating around 10%.

September 20, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123,

i don't know what grade You're in, but, if it is middle school, as i believe, then, i do not want to inflict damage to a developing self-esteem. Anyway, please keep up the excellent research work, and, resulting opinions. You can easily become an excellent Statesman one day, or, a 'second-to-none' political science teacher/professor. It is a delight to hash out these various subjects/principles with a developing mind. I wish You well! Bring on the insults, but, i will be more sensitive to You now that i've made my decision about Your developing self-concept.

Ken +(:>

September 20, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"i don't know what grade You're in"

I'm in 18th grade.

"if it is middle school, as i believe,"

You're more ignorant than you let on if you truly believe that I am in middle school. That would be very embarrassing for you anyway; being intellectually bested by an adolescent child.

"i do not want to inflict damage to a developing self-esteem."

The only person with damaged self-esteem is you. Nothing you could every conjure up could do anything to damage my self-esteem. You are far too delusional and idiotic for that to ever occur.

"It is a delight to hash out these various subjects/principles with a developing mind."

My mind is developing. Yours isn't . You have the intellectual capability of strawberry icecream and you cling to a text written in Bronze-age Palestine. You have a 1st century intellect.

"Bring on the insults, but, i will be more sensitive to You now that i've made my decision about Your developing self-concept."

I'm not insulting you. I'm describing you based on evidence. Everyone is constantly developing their own mind/identity. The fact that you consider that some kind of slight is more evidence to your ignorance and solidifies my point that you are delusional and backward in your thinking.

September 20, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

Don't insult the strawberry ice cream!

September 21, 2012 at 7:20 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123, Then i owe You an apology, usually i am rather accurate in identifying age sensitive characteristics.

eeeeeek, i perceive that You possess wit! Because i believe You would be a positive addition, my request to You is that You would join in to the discussions more often...Peace! kwo

September 21, 2012 at 5:16 p.m.
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