published Sunday, August 18th, 2013

Cheers

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Diversity, good taste, and fine art: the Tea Party. Well drawn.

Muddle at the IRS, muddle in Syria and Egypt, muddle at the NSA, muddle in reading and passing and implementing O'Romneycare...now who might be responsible for that, I wonder?

Shrink the government so people can do the things they do best instead of trying to do everything. Shrink the government because booms followed the Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts. Shrink the government because the US economy grew faster when the cabinet had six departments and banks printed their own money than it has grown in any 20-year-period since the Civil War started. Does this make sense? Shrink the government because Jesus, President of presidents, prefers a small government. Shrink the government because we'll get along better when we're not always groping each others' pockets. Shrink the government so corruption will have less to gain and fewer places to hide.

August 18, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
Maximus said...

I have it on good authority that Clay Bennett has been fired at several newspapers for commenting on his own cartoons to generate false interest. Alprova is indeed Clay Bennett trying to boost his own sad career.

August 18, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

The tea groups may be causing the left more concern that I thought as indicated by the reactions and attempts to portray them as nuts. I have visited meetings of both parties and the tea group. They all seem to be mixed nuts with about equal ratios of nuts. It is an effective strategy to portray an opponent in a bad light which has an effect on those with opinions molded by sound bites and short media articles.

August 18, 2013 at 1:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

Let the negative campaigning begin....yes I know it has been going on for a while. Congress in recess and working their states and districts portraying the other party in the worst light possible since they have nothing positive to run on. Democrats are not running on Obamacare but running from it. None are touting the AHCA as a positive for their side. The republicans knock it but offer no good alternative.

August 18, 2013 at 1:56 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "I have it on good authority that Clay Bennett has been fired at several newspapers for commenting on his own cartoons to generate false interest."

I seriously doubt that you have any sources that could ever be described as "good authority." I also seriously doubt that Mr. Bennett has ever been fired from any position he has ever held as well.

"Alprova is indeed Clay Bennett trying to boost his own sad career."

You need to check in with those "authorities," as there are enough people who frequent this forum who know who I am and where I can be found. Sir...you're literally clueless. I assure you that we are two totally different people.

Maximyth, you really should stick to making outrageous and unbelievable claims about yourself.

August 18, 2013 at 3:27 a.m.
scrimshaw said...

Maximus,,Troll of the highest order!

DFTT !!

August 18, 2013 at 3:45 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Clay must have had Tooners Block on this one.

August 18, 2013 at 4:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

The Valerie Jarrett George Soros connection may be revealed before the next election. Soros is one of the richest people in the world if not the richest. He is a German Jew that betrayed German Jews by helping the Germans locate and imprison them. He moved to Europe where he became wealthy shorting the British pound which almost destroyed their currency and country. Soros thinks he is anointed or chosen to move the world to one government. He is directly and indirectly a major Obama financial supporter.

August 18, 2013 at 5:15 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Not much of historian are you Fairmon? Your bio-snippit is Hannityism at it finest (lowest).

August 18, 2013 at 6:41 a.m.
EaTn said...

There are three distinct political groups in this country. The far-right now has a name and loose-knit organization, so its up to the far-left and middle to make their move. Plain Democrats and Republicans no longer define our political landscape.

August 18, 2013 at 6:54 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Missing from top of the cup are the religious nuts who have taken over the Tea Party. Add some lily-white cream, a dollop of whipped Creationism, and sweetened sprinkles of sexual repression and it's a brew that Ricky Perry, Fred Phelps, and Mike Huckabee enjoy.

How nice to wake-up to a steaming hot Cup O' Crap brought to you by religious fanatics.

August 18, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The left does a wonderful and effective job of painting Tea Partiers as religious nuts. Judging from the tea people I've seen, it just ain't true. Lefties like Darwin ^^ are obsessed with evolution, but it seems to me to be lacking in the movement. But it seems to play well....right outta the lefty playbook. Talk about sheep!

August 18, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/opinion/sunday/dowd-money-money-money-money-money.html?_r=0 GOOD READ. It only took the NYT 20+ years to realize the Clintons for the shameless grifters they are

August 18, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Evolution doesn't play politics, but those Christian uber-fundamentalistis do.

Here's what one of the founders of the Tea Party movement said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/phil-russo-tea-party_n_3046174.html

Scratch most Tea Partiers today and some form of a Jumping Jehovah comes out, not liberty and justice for all.

August 18, 2013 at 10:28 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ DD's magnificent obsession.

August 18, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
degage said...

Poor DD, he is so filled with hate for anything religious he can't function without having a fit anytime he thinks of it, which is all the time. Insanely against anyone that even hints at being a Christian.

August 18, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova Clay's stupid rantings regarding the origins of the Bible yesterday tell us two things:

  1. He spends a LOT of time on pagan/liberal websites copying OPINIONS of pagan liberals. Oh yea the Roman's pieced together the Bible and the Catholic's established the first century church. Simply an opinion by someone of zero faith, most likely a Pagan Christian hating white Democrat like Alprova. That leads me to number 2.

  2. I guess if it is true that Alprova Clay's wife and daughter were tragically killed in an auto crash then both of his loved one's simply are dead, dust in the wind. My point, being a Christian requires FAITH and it is a sad life indeed for those like Alprova Clay who have gotten so damn smart they not only have no FAITH they have no hope. Too bad Alprova Clay was not in the car on that tragic day then we would not have to put up with his depression laced, Prozac commentary. Like, Saul Alinsky, many have lost faith and dedicated their life to the Prince Of Darkness, Satan, the motivator and instigator of everything dark and evil, i.e. Hillary Clinton. Alprova Clay is just another one of his pagan, faithless, minions. What a sad sack. OK, I got steaks on the grill to tend to. Cheers!

August 18, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.
Maximus said...

DaytonDarwin....if you are truly a Darwinian then you should be a Tea Party Republican. Unlike the Democrats and their Marxist Re-Distribution Fairness Class Warfare leader Barry the Welfare Pimp who believe that life begins when you sign up for guvment entitlements/relief, a true Darwinian supports survival of the fittest and has a sharp distain for any welfare statist. But I guess Dayton since most white Democrats are Christian hating pagans then that floats your boat. I bet you are the ultimate irony........A DARWINIAN ON FOOD STAMPS (EBT CARD) USING AN OBAMA PHONE! NOW DATS FUUUUUUNNNNNY!

August 18, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Two months away and I come back and Toon Boy is still doing the same of stuff. See you in two months and we'll see if King Boredom has stumbled on anything else.

August 18, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

whatsnottaken: Don't hold your breath. Ideologues never change. (see Alpo)

August 18, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

EaTn, there might be a small group of leftists who define themselves as full-blown socialists but it is a small group indeed and so insignificant as to not even be on the radar screen. Other than that there is no distinct "far-left" political group. Democrats in office might be labeled far-left by those on the right but only because those on the right have moved so very far to the right that even moderate Democrats appear extreme to them.

And it's funny to hear so many righties refer to Obama as a Marxist/socialist when in reality he is so moderate that he could have passed for a Republican 30 years ago. In his speeches he often speaks of and praises Reagan but I have never once heard him invoke the name of FDR. Even Obamacare, the one piece of legislation that he managed to get passed, to the objection and the dismay of every Republican, is not even close to being socialistic. It was originally conceived of and favored by conservatives because it keeps health insurance in the hands of the private companies and the government is responsible only for certain regulations - regulations which were urgently needed anyway.

As for Wall St. and the bankers he is very much in their pockets. He has done nothing in actuality to regulate them and seldom if ever even speaks out about doing so. He is very much in favor of fracking and the further development of natural gas, and domestic drilling for oil has increased while he has been in office. Also he has become even more aggressive than Bush in the war on terror and homeland security. When I hear people say that Obama is such a manic, out-of-control socialist I can't help but scratch my head and wonder how in hell they come up with that. Just like I wonder how in hell you can claim that Democrats are so "far left." Nonsense.

August 18, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

It does take a lot less effort to be against something than to be for something.

MickeyRat said...

Not much of historian are you Fairmon? Your bio-snippit is Hannityism at it finest (lowest).

Where is it not accurate? Should I put the entire history here? I saw him being interviewed about his actions as a young boy working with the German military in Budapest. He explained what and why but expressed no remorse. Did I need to include his escape, name change and his investment partnership with Jim Rogers before they both became mega wealthy short selling the countries currency?

I can't stand Soros and don't trust him but I keep up with and learned about him for investment purposes. He is a good one to follow and learn from. BTW he has sold the dollar short in the past, I don't buy/sell currencies.

BTW....What is Hannityism? Assume you think he lies like all the other talking heads on TV? Did he report something about Soros that was not accurate? I don't watch or like Hannity or several other journalist with an agenda and tunnel vision.

It is hard to find a factual book about Soros, it appears he is either the author or has influenced most books about him. A good read is The Shadow Party and a few others. It is hard to imagine the scope of his influence. Check out the list of causes he has supported that have affected this country and others.

August 18, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Sunday morning TV and the Christian fundamentalist charlatans are slapping people on the forehead, commanding demons, devils, and cancer to come out in the name of Jebus.

The gullible shake, shimmy, and do the Trinity Two-Step before collapsing and writhing on the floor.

Welcome to the Tea Party. Leave your ability to reason at the door.

August 18, 2013 at 12:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

DD, aka Obsessed One. I know of NO ONE, let alone Tea Partiers, that watch those shows. I'm sure they appreciate your patronage, though. Blessings on you.

August 18, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
joneses said...

Hussein obama wanted to continue military aid to Egypt when his friends he entertained at the White House, the terrorist organization The Muslim Brotherhood, who backed Morsi was in charge. Now that Morsi is gone and our allies in Egypt, the Egyptian Military are in charge hussein obama wants to discontinue aid to Egypt. I also find it interesting that hussein obama referred to the Christians that are being slaughtered in Egypt by his friends the Muslim Brotherhood as "religious minorities" versus calling them what they are "Christians". Why is hussein obama afraid to say, "Christian"?

And you POS liberals like, clay bennett, attack the Tea Party that only wants the United States Government to act responsibly with taxpayer money. Attacking the Tea Party is proof of the true socialist agenda of the liberals.

August 18, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
fairmon said...

The tea groups are not the only source of a few nuts.

In 1993 Soros established the Open Society Institute (OSI), which serves as the flagship of a network (started in 1979) of Soros foundations that donate tens of millions of dollars each year to a wide array of individuals and organizations that share the founder's agendas. Those agendas can be summarized as follows:

•promoting the view that America is institutionally an oppressive nation •promoting the election of leftist political candidates throughout the United States •opposing virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by U.S. government, particularly the Patriot Act •depicting American military actions as unjust, unwarranted, and immoral •promoting open borders, mass immigration, and a watering down of current immigration laws •promoting a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs funded by ever-escalating taxes •promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens •defending the civil rights and liberties of suspected anti-American terrorists and their abetters •financing the recruitment and training of future activist leaders of the political Left •advocating America's unilateral disarmament and/or a steep reduction in its military spending •opposing the death penalty in all circumstances •promoting socialized medicine in the United States •promoting the tenets of radical environmentalism, whose ultimate goal, as writer Michael Berliner has explained, is "not clean air and clean water, [but] rather ... the demolition of technological/industrial civilization" •bringing American foreign policy under the control of the United Nations •promoting racial and ethnic preferences in academia and the business world alike •promoting taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand •advocating stricter gun-control measures •advocating the legalization of marijuana

He is a major user of 527's and credited with significant funding the own wall street protest.

August 18, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Sunday morning Christian TV faith-healing shows are good entertainment, provide hours of laughs, and let's one see the supporters of the religious right doing what they do best -- foaming at the mouth while uttering nonsense. (Still haven't seen one of Gawd's prophets heal an amputee. Why does Gawd hate amputees? With all the wars being fought for Gawd you'd think he'd heal some of those he so loving decided to blow up? That wacky ol' Gawd -He's such a funny old fart. Must have woke up on the wrong side of his throne this morning.)

Sunday morning Christian fundamentalist faith-healing shows — the base of the religious wackos that now control the Tea Party.

August 18, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
jesse said...

Seems like Here lately every time Darwin posts on here i get a faint aroma of con man!I guess some non believers foam at the mouth too!!

August 18, 2013 at 12:46 p.m.
Maximus said...

If black voters knew that most white Democrats are anti-Christian re-distribution lazy socialist utopians, they would join the Tea Party. Most African American's I know are strong Bible Believing God Fearing Christians.

Sounds like a good message for the Republican National Committee......don't believe the White Anti-Christian Pagan Democrats, especially the ones in the Northeast. Not only are they anti-Christian, they are also loser union loving thugs....think Tony Soprano folks.

Clayalprova should have an empty tea cup depicting the Democrats because eventually they run out of other peoples money. Oh and DaytonDarwin did not dispute the fact that he is on relief. He may not have a good but he has welfare. Charlie Darwin would be pissed at you Dayton!

August 18, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
Maximus said...

I meant....DaytonDevilWorshipperBoy may not have a God but he has welfare. Sick.

August 18, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
Maximus said...

Dayton God is not omnipotent....God is the presider over free will. Your bitterness will deem you ill and dysfunctional and obviously it already has done a LOT of damage to your mental state. God healing amputees, what? Bitter and dark man, very depressing. You must be a joy to be around kind of like Alprozac.

August 18, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Maximus, why does the Tea Party discuss religion at all? I thought they were for small government and less interference. What does that have to do with religion?

I agree with a lot of what the Tea Party stands for. Then they delve into social issues and I change my mind.

August 18, 2013 at 1:08 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"a true Darwinian supports survival of the fittest and has a sharp distain for any welfare statist." - Maximus

Why don't you just use a bullhorn to announce how ignorant you are? Social Darwinism is related to biological evolution only tangentially and has come to be used mostly as a pejorative. While biological evolution is very much a science, based on detailed and exhaustive research and empirical data, social Darwinism is simply an ideology and a term that was coined to describe the survival-of-the-fittest elements of individualism as opposed to collectivism, in which people are more insulated from the ravages of natural selection that takes place in the wild.

It makes no sense whatsoever to say that an evolutionist would or should naturally embrace social Darwinism as an ideology. In fact, most people today who accept the findings of science tend to be rational enough to see the insanity of allowing society to be a system of random natural selection, rather preferring to live in a structured (civilized) society wherein people can thrive and prosper without having to worry so much about the primitive necessities of bare-bones survival or dominance by those who are more powerful and intent only with furthering their own selfish interests at the expense of others.

Maximus, you are a perfect example of why having a society based purely on individualism is a rotten idea. If it weren't for laws and regulations to keep self-absorbed people of arrested development like you in check, we would have never gotten out of the Gilded Age of the robber barons. Come to think of it, that's exactly where you belong. Too bad there's not a time machine to take you back there. I know you and your ilk are trying real hard to bring back those "glory days" of unregulated capitalism and unlimited wealth for the few at the expense of the many, and you have come very close to succeeding, but this era of reckless individual greed and corporate power will soon crumble. Just live in your ivory tower and feed off your pathetic ego and I'm sure you'll be happy in your own pitifully deluded way. In the meantime, why don't you do a little research before you start mouthing off about something you obviously know little about?

August 18, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Alprova Clay's stupid rantings regarding the origins of the Bible yesterday tell us two things: He spends a LOT of time on pagan/liberal websites copying OPINIONS of pagan liberals."

I have read, over a period of MANY years, the opinions of many Biblical scholars, who are very intelligent and knowledgeable, which is something you have never demonstrated in this forum.

"Oh yea the Roman's pieced together the Bible and the Catholic's established the first century church. Simply an opinion by someone of zero faith, most likely a Pagan Christian hating white Democrat like Alprova."

Sir, I hate no one. I have nothing but love in my heart for people who are truly Christian and those who struggle to be like Christ. However, I don't understand certain people, and I shake my head in wonder as to where they get some of their ideas.

If you desire to build your entire bed of faith after repeatedly listening to a man behind a pulpit, in a large, expansive church building, complete with raised voices of public demonstrations of prayer, more power to you. I wish all of you the best of luck on your journeys to Heaven.

It is no secret that I do not consider the Bible to be the word of God, but that in no manner is a statement that the Bible does not contain viable entries relevant to our lives.

Here is today's reading lesson;

Acts 17:24-25, Acts 7:48-51, Isaiah 66:1-2, Jeremiah 7:1-14, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, 2 Corinthians 6:16-17, Ephesians 2:19-22

"My point, being a Christian requires FAITH and it is a sad life indeed for those like Alprova Clay who have gotten so damn smart they not only have no FAITH they have no hope."

You know nothing about any faith that I have. You know very little about my religious beliefs. You have many ASSumptions, because I dare offer disagreement with beliefs that are totally taught by institutionalized church leaders.

"Too bad Alprova Clay was not in the car on that tragic day then we would not have to put up with his depression laced, Prozac commentary."

What an absolutely faithful and kind demonstration of that "Christianity" you claim to have within you. It soooo inspires anyone who reads it to want to be just like you.

"Like, Saul Alinsky, many have lost faith and dedicated their life to the Prince Of Darkness, Satan, the motivator and instigator of everything dark and evil, i.e. Hillary Clinton. Alprova Clay is just another one of his pagan, faithless, minions."

I don't recall having read a word that the man has ever written. I don't even know who Saul Alinsky is.

My hero is Jesus. I strive every single day of my life to emulate his teachings. His church is in my heart. My faith is in HIM, and not what others tell me I should believe.

"OK, I got steaks on the grill to tend to. Cheers!"

At 11:05 on a Sunday morning? I'll let the irony in all that you just typed, simmer like the meat you claim to have on that grill.

August 18, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Rickaroo, you hit the nail on the head with your 1:28 pm post.

Amen and amen.

August 18, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

If you have OCD, you will have obsessions (intrusive, recurrent, and distressing thoughts, sensations, urges or images) that take the place of your everyday thoughts. You’re also likely to have compulsions (actions) that are used as a way of setting right or cancelling out the obsessive thought.

Compulsions are things you feel compelled to do even though you may know the behaviour does not make sense. Compulsions are typically done to reduce the fear or distress associated with obsessive thoughts.

With OCD, you will have repetitive, worrying thoughts that often prevent you thinking about anything else. In addition, as a way to combat these obsessive thoughts, you will feel compelled to carry out repetitive behaviours.

This could be physically checking and rechecking something, or it may be that you have to repeat in your mind a particular phrase or count to a certain number again and again.

There are some common themes that many people with OCD find they obsess about. The main features of obsessions are that they happen frequently, cause you anxiety, and don’t go away easily. Some of the main obsession themes are listed below.

Contamination obsessions – fearing dirt and germs.

Aggressive obsessions – fearing doing harm to yourself or others.

Sexual obsessions – having forbidden, upsetting thoughts.

Health-related obsessions – such as concern that you have a serious illness, without having any of the symptoms.

Magical obsessions – such as believing in lucky or unlucky numbers.

Religious or moral obsessions – having “religious” or “anti-religious” thoughts.

Hoarding obsessions – worrying about throwing away useless or worn out items.

http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/health-information/directory/o/obsessive-compulsive

August 18, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Maximus said... " Oh and DaytonDarwin did not dispute the fact that he is on relief."

Actually you are correct. I am on relief. After watching the Sunday morning Jebus TV faith-healing comedy shows, I had to stop watching . I hurt myself laughing so hard I had to have relief.

So I watched Fox News. While not nearly as hilarious as idiots doing the Holy Spirit Samba, Mike Huckabee's imitation of the Second Coming of Jebus did elicit several chuckles.

Later it's the Trinity Broadcast Network as the family plays the games of "Spot the Toupees and Dyed Hair Jobs, God is All Powerful But Needs Your Money, and Guess the Number of Crocodile Tears Shed by the Weeping Warriors for Christ, Cash, and Credit Cards."

Sunday is a special day for laughs. I always need relief.

August 18, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I seriously doubt that you have any sources that could ever be described as "good authority." I also seriously doubt that Mr. Bennett has ever been fired from any position he has ever held as well.


Bennett was the editorial cartoonist at the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times from 1981 until he was fired in 1994, whereupon he spent more than three years in "professional oblivion" before being hired by The Monitor (The Christian Science Monitor).

http://www.amazon.com/kindle-store/dp/B001O2SNDO

August 18, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Fired for being too liberal in a paper that was shifting towards the conservative side. Not quite what Maximus claimed.

August 18, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
conservative said...

Much better:

A bowl of cereal labeled Demoncract Party.

Fruits, flakes and nuts!

August 18, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Old joke, conservative.

August 18, 2013 at 2:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jt: "professional oblivion" ..Is that like Cartoon exile? On the lsland of Malta? Need a drawing of what that looks like.

August 18, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
GameOn said...

Sorry to be off topic but check out this stupid Common Core clip.

August 18, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Daytonsdarwin is merely responding to the OCD of the con-man and Ken Orr and Lohr and those numerous Bible thumpers who write their letters to the editor about the need for "salvation" or the "sin" of homosexuality. They can't make a statement without throwing in a quote, or more often than not, many quotes, from the Bible. Everything to them is couched in Biblical terms. EVERYTHING. THAT is OCD. Responding to the nut-jobs is not OCD. Somebody's got to call them out on their nuttiness. However, I do think that some of them have gone so far off the deep end that they are unreachable, and maybe it does become a bit obsessive then to keep pretending that any amount of logic or common sense can get through to them. Still, it's hard not to reply to someone who says such crazy things. Silence can easily be mistaken for complicity or agreement.

Maximus seems to have his own little OCD thing going on now, with his unfounded and ridiculous obsession that alprova and Clay Bennett are one and the same. Of all things to obsess about, that has to be one of the lamest and the craziest. He also can't say Obama's name without calling him "Obama the welfare pimp" or whatever." Childish. Obsessive. Nuts.

August 18, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
degage said...

Wow Al, you don't even know who Saul Alinsky is? That is hard to believe since you spout so much of his leanings. He was a community organizer that wrote 'Rules for Radicals', and you really do spout his Marxist leanings. Obama and Hillary both admit to being an Alinsky follower. I tried to get the Alinsky book to reread it since it has been years since I read it. I can't bring myself to believe anyone would believe that crap but it seems they do.

August 18, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm quite sure that his firing by the editor at the St. Petersburg Times, was all for the good. He's certainly went on to bigger and better things.

Since the subject of our host has come up today;

Some of you might remember this cartoon from a little over three years ago;

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/83650/

He responded to Tea Party howlers;

"The cartoon showed a Republican running for office in 2010, depicted as a hitchhiker. Standing next to him was a very menacing figure representing the Tea Party (it was actually Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th movies). The Hitchhiker is saying to Jason, "I don't think you're helping my chances", implying that the machete wielding madman might be scaring away any chance for a ride."

With that established, I should explain that I do not think the Tea Party is a hockey-masked, machete-wielding madman. Obviously, I used the most intimidating figure I could imagine for both comedic and editorial effect, but the main point of the cartoon was that the Republicans will hurt their election chances by aligning themselves with a group that has, in my opinion, a dubious reputation and a tarnished public image."*

"This particular cartoon was drawn immediately after the rally in Washington, D.C. on the weekend of the vote on health care reform. At that demonstration racial epithets were shouted at some members of Congress, gay slurs were yelled at others, and one congressman was even spat upon. Follow all that ugliness with the hateful messages and targeted vandalism in the ensuing days, and you have a pot that's been stirred to a dangerously high boil."

"I really hope nothing bad happens, but as long as members of the Tea Party (along with the politicians and TV commentators who would exploit their anger) continue to use the most emotional rhetoric possible and the most distorted arguments imaginable, the likelihood of violence taking place only increases."

"I am a huge defender of both free expression and the right to assemble. But those rights come with responsibilities. Does the right of free speech apply to a man who yells fire in a crowded theater, when no fire exists? Well, in 1919 Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the Supreme Court decision declaring that it most certainly did not."

"So every time you see a poster that likens President Obama to a Nazi, or a communist, or a socialist, or a terrorist, I want you to think about that 1919 ruling. To depict this president as anathema to American values is patently unfair. To couch his policies as those of a socialist out to destroy our freedoms is profoundly misguided. To denounce his agenda as the secret plan to undermine our way of life is just plain crazy. But to do all of this, relentlessly, in the alarmist tone and bombastic volume that have become a trademark of any Tea Party event, seems to me to be the political equivalent to yelling fire in a crowded theater."

Clay Bennett - April 7, 2010

August 18, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

Fired for being too liberal in a paper that was shifting towards the conservative side. Not quite what Maximus claimed.

I think if you would check the context of my post, I was responding to alprova's incorrect claim and not Maximus' post. If you're just interested in always starting a fight over postings that don't concern you I am far too busy to engage with you... You know what I mean ... Don't you?

August 18, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Rickaroo, you hit the nail on the head with your 1:28 pm post. Amen and amen."

Thanks, al. I'm sure the rabid righties on here won't see it that way, but what the hey.

August 18, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Did I find fault with your post, JT? Or are you just looking for something to fight about? All I did was show that Maxi's claim was incorrect. Yes, alprova was wrong and you demonstrated that. But Max was wrong too.

August 18, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
alprova said...

JT is ALWAYS looking for something to start a fight about. On occasion, she will post something totally off the wall, like a copy and paste earlier about the subject of OCD, complete with highlights of key phrases that only have meaning to herself.

August 18, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I'm quite sure that his firing by the editor at the St. Petersburg Times, was all for the good. He;s certainly went on to bigger and better things.

Deflection? ... Really?

August 18, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

What are you looking for, JT? Alprova to say five Hail Marys and five Our Fathers for making a mistake? You were wrong about the union busting at McD's and didn't fess up.

August 18, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Here's another candidate for Tea Party membership. Just another wacky Texas Christian fundy.

Is it a requirement that Texas governors, past and present, have an IQ less than their show size?

August 18, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Oh my goodness!!! I have been trounced. The wicked witch from the north has put me in my place. She out-Googled me!!!

How could I have been so wrong to doubt Maximyth's statement that Mr. Bennett had been "fired at several newspapers for commenting on his own cartoons to generate false interest"

The wicked witch Googled up proof positive that Mr. Bennett had been involuntarily discharged from a newspaper 19 years ago by a new editor who had been in charge for three months, who admitted that he did not like Mr. Bennett's cartoons or his politics.

Never mind that his firing had NOTHING at all to do with Maximyth's statement that he was fired from not one, but several newspapers for commenting on his own cartoons to generate false interest.

No...in her mind, the finding that he had been discharged from one newspaper 19 years ago, is a total vindication and defense of Maximyth's ridiculous and still FALSE statement.

She has erected her war flag and is now smoking her celebratory cigarette!!!

But of course, it is I who is accused of deflecting...what?

I expressed serious doubt that Mr. Bennett had ever been involuntarily separated from any prior position of employment.

It was not a statement of fact.

August 18, 2013 at 3:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

"This particular cartoon was drawn immediately after the rally in Washington, D.C. on the weekend of the vote on health care reform. At that demonstration racial epithets were shouted at some members of Congress, gay slurs were yelled at others, and one congressman was even spat upon.

Those are lies that have been debunked many times and in fact there is a sizable monetary reward that is offered for any evidence that these things happened and as yet it is unclaimed. It’s just more of the left wing propaganda that follows the line “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” but it does not make it actually true.

Follow all that ugliness with the hateful messages and targeted vandalism in the ensuing days, and you have a pot that's been stirred to a dangerously high boil."

"I really hope nothing bad happens, but as long as members of the Tea Party (along with the politicians and TV commentators who would exploit their anger) continue to use the most emotional rhetoric possible and the most distorted arguments imaginable, the likelihood of violence taking place only increases."

I wonder how he would justify this characterization in light of the Fleabagger crime wave that was soon to take place?

"I am a huge defender of both free expression and the right to assemble. But those rights come with responsibilities. Does the right of free speech apply to a man who yells fire in a crowded theater, when no fire exists? Well, in 1919 Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the Supreme Court decision declaring that it most certainly did not."

He’s all for free speech ... But! ... There is always a “but”, isn’t there, and especially when it comes to speech that left wingers object to. Obviously if Bennett doesn’t want to be declared a duffus he really shouldn’t comment on subjects he has little knowledge of. The 1919 standard no longer applies.

"So every time you see a poster that likens President Obama to a Nazi, or a communist, or a socialist, or a terrorist, I want you to think about that 1919 ruling. To depict this president as anathema to American values is patently unfair. To couch his policies as those of a socialist out to destroy our freedoms is profoundly misguided. To denounce his agenda as the secret plan to undermine our way of life is just plain crazy. But to do all of this, relentlessly, in the alarmist tone and bombastic volume that have become a trademark of any Tea Party event, seems to me to be the political equivalent to yelling fire in a crowded theater."

Exactly! ... Those kind shouldn’t be heard ... Right? This is absolutely disgusting to come from someone who values “his” free speech so greatly and depends on it for his livelihood. For expressing such a belief he deserves neither.

Clay Bennett - April 7, 2010

August 18, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

You were wrong about the union busting at McD's and didn't fess up.

You saying it is so does not make it so. You have yet to provide one scrap of proof to support your claim and until you do it has to remain in the realm of a left wing fantasy.

August 18, 2013 at 3:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Hee hee hee.

Someone's got their boxers in a bunch...

August 18, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Oh my goodness!!! I have been trounced. The wicked witch from the north has put me in my place. She out-Googled me!!!

How could I have been so wrong to doubt Maximyth's statement that Mr. Bennett had been"fired at several newspapers for commenting on his own cartoons to generate false interest"

alprova said ...I also seriously doubt that Mr. Bennett has ever been fired from any position he has ever held as well.

The wicked witch Googled up proof positive that Mr. Bennett had been involuntarily discharged from a newspaper 19 years ago by a new editor who had been in charge for three months, who admitted that he did not like Mr. Bennett's cartoons or his politics.

alprova said ...I also seriously doubt that Mr. Bennett has ever been fired from any position he has ever held as well.

Never mind that his firing had NOTHING at all to do with Maximyth's statement that he was fired from not one, but several newspapers for commenting on his own cartoons to generate false interest.

alprova said ...I also seriously doubt that Mr. Bennett has ever been fired from any position he has ever held as well.

No...in her mind, the finding that he had been discharged from one newspaper 19 years ago, is a total vindication and defense of Maximyth's ridiculous and still FALSE statement.

alprova said ...I also seriously doubt that Mr. Bennett has ever been fired from any position he has ever held as well.

She has erected her war flag and is now smoking her celebratory cigarette!!! But of course, it is I who is accused of deflecting...what?

alprova said ...I also seriously doubt that Mr. Bennett has ever been fired from any position he has ever held as well.

I expressed serious doubt that Mr. Bennett had ever been involuntarily separated from any prior position of employment.

It was not a statement of fact.

Did I claim you made it as a “statement of fact” or claim that you lied? I simply pointed out that you were in error as to your “serious doubt”. It appears from your overheated response that maybe it was more than a “serious doubt” and you want to quickly declare victim status as most left wingers do when they are caught in an error.

August 18, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Hee hee hee.

Someone's got their boxers in a bunch...

Someone is left speechless (relatively) ... now that is noteworthy.

August 18, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Bennett says "So every time you see a poster that likens President Obama to a Nazi, or a communist, or a socialist, or a terrorist, I want you to think about that 1919 ruling. To depict this president as anathema to American values is patently unfair." Seems to me that Mr. Bennett has a short memory. Dubya got far worse treatment from the press and the left...Guess it depends on whose ox is gored

August 18, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Here is a link that answers the basic question regarding McDonalds and unions world wide (and McDonalds is reported to be one of the worst as far as worker rights, conditions and pay). The Michigan story isfrom the 1970s-I can't find the actual story but it was described in Shlosser's book Fast Food Nation (I did find a Montreal story and another from Puerto Rico where a franchise was closed, re-opened in a new location and all workers that tried to unionize were not rehired)

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060721003351AAnYCIM

August 18, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

"Those are lies that have been debunked many times..."

Sure they have...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/21/tea-party-leader-condemns-racial-slurs-hurled-black-lawmakers/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html

I don’t see anyone offering any proof but only people that have vested interests making claims or CYA statements from others. No one has yet claimed the monetary reward, for providing proof, so if these people have it why don’t they provide it and claim their prize. There were many video and audio recordings made all around the gathering and all were investigated and no proof found.

Here is an example of the truthiness of your links.

From your link:

“The Associated Press reports that Capitol Police arrested the man who spit on Cleaver, but the Congressman won't press charges.”

However when you click on their link to the report it says:

“A congressman who was spat on by a protestor on Capitol Hill says he is declining to press charges, but turns out the Capitol Police say they made no arrests.”

I wonder why no one wanted to press charges ... could it be fear of what would be found out during the investigation (It was all a lie?).

August 18, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, I've know lots of peeps that worked at Micky D's. Never heard a one of them say they felt exploited.

Hey Lu, I've met many people I think are Tea Partiers (not sure how you tell..maybe a scarlet letter on their forehead) and none of them resemble the tea partiers you and the other southpaws see. Maybe we see what we want to see, no?

August 18, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I know lots of Tea Party members, and they are all nice people. But when you get online and look at any Tea Party "platform", it includes a bunch of conservative religious stuff that has nothing whatever to do with the economy, the government, or the national debt.

It's almost that they follow libertarian ideals until it comes to imposing morality on the country. There is where I draw the line. To be honest, some of their economic ideas are unrealistic too, but that is certainly a debatable point.

August 18, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, Lu, my engine produced several. The first two make no mention of religion. It's not until I get down to the one offered by Huffington (surprise) that I find any references to religion. Seems to me to be an ill-defined group, with no real platform. That would make it a plum target for those of the opposing ilk, huh?

August 18, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu

I saw nothing in your links where unions tried to unionize individual franchised fast food sites or that moving across the street and not hiring any of the original staff would prevent unionization of a single food outlet or the company.

You claim you read about the Michigan event in a book so why don’t you quote it for us and then we can do the research needed to prove its truthiness. Until then you are still batting zero.

BTW ... when did our discussion escape the limits of U.S. law and employment practices?

August 18, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
alprova said...

"There were many video and audio recordings made all around the gathering and all were investigated and no proof found."

Really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/congressman-spit-on-by-te_n_516300.html

August 18, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

My Tea Party (FL) website is full of "outrage". Mostly towards Obama, Muslims, ProChoice, NSA, and the police. Some of it accurate, some exaggerated. Not a whole lot of information on how they would run the government and the country's finances.

August 18, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Fairamone,

George Soros was not as you said, "a German Jew that betrayed German Jews by helping the Germans locate and imprison them"

He's Hungarian. In his early teens he worked for the local Jewish Council. It is they that asked kids (including a young teenage George Soros) to hand out deportation notices.

Your post was a deliberate attempt to portray him as a Nazi collaborator.

Hence you get a Sean Hannity award.

August 18, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The extreme, insane ideas for new legislation that we see being proposed, especially regarding abortion, possible secession, textbooks being modified to reflect a more conservative agenda, creationism being taught in schools, no mercy for illegal immigrants, and harsher, zero-tolerance prison sentences are all coming from Tea Party Republicans. I don't care what the average Tea Party person looks like or how much of an average, likeable Joe/Jane they say they are, it is these teabagging Republicans who are nuts and are trying to inflict their austerity, religion, and government-hating crap on the rest of the country. And every one of the average-Joe teabaggers is in full support of these nuts in office and their draconian laws that they propose.

You can put lipstick on a pig but it's sill a pig.

August 18, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

Democrats in office might be labeled far-left by those on the right but only because those on the right have moved so very far to the right that even moderate Democrats appear extreme to them. And it's funny to hear so many righties refer to Obama as a Marxist/socialist when in reality he is so moderate that he could have passed for a Republican 30 years ago.

Here is some examples from the Republican Platform of 1984:

The fullest opportunity to engage in economic activities and to retain the rewards of their labor.

Government must minimize its intrusions into individual decisions to work, save, invest, and take risks.

The role of the federal government should be limited.

Governments closest to the people are the best and most efficient.

The size and scope of the federal government remains much too large and must be reduced.

Policies which increase incentives for work, saving, and investment do lead to economic growth, while the redistributionist policies of the past did cause unemployment, declining incomes, and idle industries.

We therefore oppose any attempts to increase taxes.

We favor reducing deficits by eliminating wasteful and unnecessary government spending.

We will increase the incentives for savings by moving toward the reduction of taxation of interest income.

We will work for elimination of the double taxation of dividends to increase the attractiveness of equity investments for small investors.

We oppose withholding on dividend and interest income.

High marginal tax rates reduced the incentive for work, saving, and investment, and retarded economic growth, productivity, and job creation.

Tax reduction and reform by cutting marginal tax rates by 25 percent. ... further relief by reducing the marriage penalty and lowering estate and gift taxes.

Support tax reform that will lead to a fair and simple tax system and believe a modified flat tax—with specific exemptions for such items as mortgage interest—is a most promising approach.

Federal budget must be balanced.

Prevent wasteful spending, including a line-item veto.

Excessive regulation remains a major component of our nation's spiraling inflation and continues to stifle private initiatives, individual freedom, and State and local government autonomy.

We encourage the adoption of a youth opportunity wage to encourage employers to hire and train inexperienced workers.

Permit abundant American coal to be mined and consumed.

a sound, long-term program for disposal of nuclear waste.

We will work to eliminate unnecessary regulatory procedures so that nuclear plants can be brought on line quickly, efficiently, and safely.

Committed to the termination of the Department of Energy.

Yeah ... Obama is really a Republican

August 18, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

"There were many video and audio recordings made all around the gathering and all were investigated and no proof found."

Really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/congressman-spit-on-by-te_n_516300.html

I didn’t see anyone being spit upon and obviously neither did the many capital police that were with the group and observing them closely. Do you really mean to claim that the police would not quickly arrest anyone for criminal assault on congresspersons or their staff? It didn’t happen and you have no proof.

August 18, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

My Tea Party (FL) website is full of "outrage". Mostly towards Obama, Muslims, ProChoice, NSA, and the police. Some of it accurate, some exaggerated. Not a whole lot of information on how they would run the government and the country's finances.

Sounds like this web site as well as every news and political site that I have visited. That is the nature of the beast when you allow anyone and everyone’s input. It’s messy but necessary for all to participate.

August 18, 2013 at 5:24 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Another Tea Party member. Another looney tunes. I think this may be Conservative in drag.

Gawd works in mysterious ways - most often through nut jobs.

August 18, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

June Griffin, another good Christian soldier making teabagging Tennesseeans proud of the red status of this great Bible belt state - red as in Republican and red as in the blood of sweet Jeezus. Go June! Seriously....go, June, as far away as you possibly can. Please.

August 18, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT is ALWAYS looking for something to start a fight about. On occasion, she will post something totally off the wall, like a copy and paste earlier about the subject of OCD, complete with highlights of key phrases that only have meaning to herself.

Sorry about the impenetrability of the fog of incomprehension that you live in. However I’m fairly sure the principally intended target definitely got the message.

August 18, 2013 at 7:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

June Griffin, another good Christian soldier making teabagging Tennesseeans proud of the red status of this great Bible belt state - red as in Republican and red as in the blood of sweet Jeezus. Go June! Seriously....go, June, as far away as you possibly can. Please.

June Griffin did run for Governor in 2010 as an independent but not the tea party endorsed candidate and she got all of 0.1% of the vote which was about 2K votes. However every side has their burden to bear such as the Democratic Senate candidate in the 2012 election. You know it was Mark E. Clayton who took 30% of the vote just because he was listed first on the ballot. You “intelligent and informed” democratic voters sure know how to pick them.

August 18, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Michelle Bachmann is a tea party member, isn't she?

August 18, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

I challenge anyone on this board to debate June Griffin publicly face to face on American government, history or Christianity.

August 18, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
alprova said...

"Sorry about the impenetrability of the fog of incomprehension that you live in. However I’m fairly sure the principally intended target definitely got the message."

Sweetheart, not to belabor any points, but the fact remains that you will forever be a legend in your own mind.

August 18, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

joepulitzer, in that video she clearly doesn't understand the constitution with regards to the establishment clause. Did she as a candidate for governor consider the posting of the 10 commandments to be both appropriate and a primary reason for running? Is knowledge of Christianity a requirement to run for office in TN?

August 18, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
carlB said...

Clay, this is another picture that expresses the situation of whom and how the TEA PARTY has been acting.
They are acting like abunch of bullies trying to have it their way of continuing to destroy this Republic. They lost when President O bama got elected for his 2nd term.

August 18, 2013 at 9:25 p.m.
alprova said...

joepulitzer wrote: "I challenge anyone on this board to debate June Griffin publicly face to face on American government, history or Christianity."

What would be the point?

She's apparently in no position to be in danger of influencing the governance over the people of the state of Tennessee.

There are many people who are very knowledgeable when it comes to American history and Government, and are great examples of Christianity, but that does not mean that they deserve to be in positions of power.

Of all the problems and issues that the State of Tennessee needs to have attention paid to, the topic on her mind, at least on that day, was public displays of the Ten Commandments.

How many people within the State of Tennessee do you believe feel that public displays of any nature in public buildings, are the among the most important reasons for choosing a Governor?

If election results are any indication of an answer to that question, about 2,000 people rated that issue right up there with the rest of the population who felt that bringing jobs to Tennessee was a bit more important, and who voted for candidates who expressed that as a priority they intended to tackle.

August 18, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.
alprova said...

lkeithlu wrote: "Michelle Bachmann is a tea party member, isn't she?"

Yes, and a militant Tea-Party member as well, who apparently took a look in her tea cup, read those tea leaves, and decided to not run for reelection in Minnesota.

I'm sure that most of America, as well as many of her fellow Tea Party members, whom have been very tainted by some of her wacky comments over the years, have one sentiment on their minds;

Good Riddance!!!

August 18, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Don't forget Christine O'Donnell - there's one Tea Bagger whose bicycle chain was missing a lot of links.

As to The Ten Commandments - George Carlin says it best.

"The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post 'Thou shalt not steal,' 'Thou shalt not commit adultery,' and 'Thou shalt not lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpL2m6XJhQw

August 18, 2013 at 9:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

It's soooo funny how riled up you lefties get over the tea party. Fun-eee.

August 18, 2013 at 10:09 p.m.
Maximus said...

Let's wait and see what happens on 9/11/13. I am sure another American will produce another U Tube video that will spark unrest.

It is always our fault....right Hillary? And of course all the Red States are racist due to voter fraud. Riiiight. I understand that dead Democrats vote at least 3 times in Chicago elections. Funny.....both Hillary and Barry The Welfare Pimp are from.....you guessed it......the union thug, gangster, murder capital of the U. S., Chicago. Also home of Bill Ayers another pagan soldier of the prince of darkness....SATAN. Anti-Christian white Democrats should definitely be monitored by the NSA. Ya here that Eric Holder?

August 18, 2013 at 10:55 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

When you have religious fruitcake Tea Baggers like Orr, Lohr, and Conservative I don't get riled, I get happy. I know within the first two sentences they'll say something about Gawd or Jebus that'll be laugh out loud hilarious.

The Three Stooges of Christian Fundamentalism. How can you get riled at such great entertainment? Maybe they'll get a Sunday morning TV show. I can only imagine them slapping people on the forehead healing them of their self-created devils and demons.

They could rake in enough money to build a giant eternal burning bush on Lookout Mountain, or giant talking serpent wrapped around Blue Cross, or create a "Six Flags Over Jesus" theme park next to Goony Golf.

Yes sir, just yell Jesus, wave the flag, kill a Commie for Christ, burn some science books, heal a few fake lepers, scream Satan's coming to get you, peep in bedrooms (Conservative's got dibs on peeping in public bathrooms) and you've got an old-fashioned revival.

I say keep 'em around. It's fun to watch the monkey's perform.

August 18, 2013 at 11:07 p.m.
Maximus said...

Daytondarwin I would recommend that you stay inside with Alpo when thunderstorms are predicted. You keep talking about Sunday morning TV shows. Who watches those? Only idiots like you. The NFL today but never those wacky "you are hheeeealed shows". Now Joel Olsteen is another thing.....Dayton you need to listen to Joel he will at least give you a purpose others can tolerate. Your 1920's Darwinian rantings are old and so very boring. Get a life before you swim with the fishes or whatever the hell you believe.

August 18, 2013 at 11:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Now Joel Olsteen is another thing....."

Now I get what you are all about. Your God is green.

Joel Osteen (note the correct spelling) has never been ordained a minister nor has the man even attended a Seminary.

From Wikipedia;

"Osteen's sermons and writings are often criticized for promoting prosperity theology, or the prosperity gospel, a belief that wealth and power here on earth are rewards for pious Christians."

Joel Osteen preaches the prosperity gospel, which says "come to this church, give us 10% of your money and worship with us. You will then be healthy, wealthy, and wise.

If you are following our rules and you're NOT healthy, wealthy, or wise, it is either because of a lack of faith on your part, or you have hidden sin in your life.

Whatever the reason is, it certainly would never be Joel Osteen's fault.

The man may be popular, but then most good con men posing as men of God usually are.

And like most successful con men, he looks smooth and elegant in those expensive Armani suits that believers have paid for.

August 19, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

August 20, 1913 congress ratified the constitutional amendment to allow the federal government to impose an income tax. Who would have believed at some point that tax would be imposed for failure to make a purchase? Will the states initiate a constitutional amendment process or allow states rights to continue being eroded by a rapidly expanding federal government? People willing to give up liberty and freedom for any reason will cease to be free.

August 19, 2013 at 1:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

MickeyRat said... Fairamone,

George Soros was not as you said, "a German Jew that betrayed German Jews by helping the Germans locate and imprison them"

György Schwartz, better known to the world as George Soros, was born August 12, 1930 in Hungary. When Hitler’s henchman Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary, to oversee the murder of that country’s Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating property from the Jewish population.

70% of Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary, nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put “any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect”.

Soros collaborated with the Nazis rounding up the Jews to send to the extermination camps, and confiscating their property and belongings, and said he had “no sense of guilt” about what he did, and found it “exhilarating”, and liked the feeling of “absolute power”.

During an interview with “60 Minutes” reporter Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “happiest year”:

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.

SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many, years. Was it difficult?

SOROS: No, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.

KROFT: No feelings of guilt?

SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

There is a lot more about his financial manipulations and social engineering initiatives. He is, in my opinion, a POS that has his tentacles deep in our government.

August 19, 2013 at 1:51 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

If he was born in 1930, he would have been only a child at the time.

August 19, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, the transcript of the interview you posted was altered. Below is a quote of the actual responses in the interview;

KROFT: (Voiceover) To understand the complexities and contradictions in his personality, you have to go back to the very beginning: to Budapest, where George Soros was born 68 years ago to parents who were wealthy, well-educated and Jewish.

When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)

KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors.

(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew...

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

KROFT: (Voiceover) ...who escaped the Holocaust...

(Vintage footage of women walking by train)

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

(Vintage footage of people getting on train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) ... by -- by posing as a Christian.

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.

(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and -- and anticipate events and when -- when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a -- a very personal experience of evil.

(Cont.)

August 19, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Cont.)

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.


Feel as you may about the man, he deserves at least to be represented fairly in an interview transcript about his life when he was 14 years old.

The source of YOUR transcript appears to have started with Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter, who has repeatedly accused Soros of "collaborating" with the Nazi's on Sean Hannity's Fox News show.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/11/09/beck-falsely-accuses-soros-of-nazi-collaboratio/173114

August 19, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.
ibshame said...

Ted Cruz the darling of the Tea Party nuts will certainly have his hands full with the Birthers on this one or will he? LMAO

"Dated a month after his birth on Dec. 22, 1970, it shows that Rafael Edward Cruz was born to Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, a “geophysical consultant” born in Matanzas, Cuba, and the former Eleanor Elizabeth Wilson, born in Wilmington, Del.

Her status made the baby a U.S. citizen at birth. For that, U.S. law required at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen who had lived for at least a decade in the United States."

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-born-in-canada-ted-cruz-became-a-citizen-of-that-country-as-well-as-u.s..ece

Maybe since this is Ted Cruz the darling of the teabaggers, it will finally become clear to the ignorant birthers that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on U.S. soil and even had he not been born on U.S. soil the fact his mother was a U.S. citizen, still made him a NATIVE BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES. Of course I don't expect Orangutan Trump to follow Cruz around demanding he produce the LONG FORM of his birth certificate.

August 19, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Donald Trump is the only person to opine, very politely I might add, that Ted Cruz is most likely not qualified to run for President.

Everyone else who was vocal about President Obama's birth circumstances has been unsurprisingly silent on the matter.

If the Federal Election Commission clears Ted Cruz to run for the office of President, which I highly doubt they will, then he gets to run.

We'll see...

August 19, 2013 at 8:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.....

Feel as you may about the man, he deserves at least to be represented fairly in an interview transcript about his life when he was 14 years old.

I agree and what you posted doesn't put him in a better light and doesn't alter my opinion in the least which is primarily based on reading about the history of his financial dealings at times with detrimental impact on entire countries. I think he is a dangerous man with no morals and no conscience. He will likely become more dangerous with his age forcing him to face his own mortality. I don't think he always limits his impact on political affairs to one party over the other but either that will further his agenda. He thinks he is chosen or anointed I think he is possessed.

August 19, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
ibshame said...

"alprova said... Donald Trump is the only person to opine, very politely I might add, that Ted Cruz is most likely not qualified to run for President.

Everyone else who was vocal about President Obama's birth circumstances has been unsurprisingly silent on the matter.

If the Federal Election Commission clears Ted Cruz to run for the office of President, which I highly doubt they will, then he gets to run."

According to the Canadians Cruz has dual citizenship because he was born in Canada. It should not and does not cancel out his claim to U.S. citizenship because his mother was a U.S. Citizen. Cruz has not(at least so far) denounced his Canadian citizenship once he does then there should be no further problem with his U.S. citizenship which would then make him eligible to run as a candidate for President.

It's ironic because of the fact he was born in a FOREIGN country whereas Barack Obama was born on U.S. soil in Hawaii and the fact his father was Kenyan should NEVER have been a reason to question his status as a U.S. citizen but it was done and ultimately the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES had to produce not one but TWO birth certificates to prove his citizenship. The fact this bunch remains silent now and Orangutan Trump has only (as you put it) "opine, very politely..." about it shows the extent to which race played more of a part in the challenge to President Obama's legitimacy as CIC than anything else teabaggers and birthers alike want to admit.

Lamar Alexander may face a challenge from the Teabaggers. Maybe he should have thought about that when he snubbed President Obama's visit to Chattanooga last month. There probably would have been quite a few Democrats who might have crossed over to help him win his primary. After all in case he forgot the major cities of this state have Democrats for Mayors and that includes Chattanooga. More than likely he will win his primary but for some he (as the proverbial saying goes) cut his nose off to spite his face when he disrespected the Presidential visit. The same goes for Chuckie. Chuckie just might be looking for that extra shoe he lost while running through the airport to get out of town as the President approached Chattanooga.

August 19, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
joneses said...

Now we have found that Caroline Kennedy is worth half a billion dollars. Darn those filthy, rotten, country club, wealthy white democrats.

August 19, 2013 at 9:58 a.m.
caddy said...

Thanks Andrew Lohr

You ALWAYS state VERY Succinctly what the problem is. Clay never gets it--as Progressives NEVER will--because they think Government can fix everything. Throwing $$ at problems NEVER fixed anything. We have excellent evidence of this from the 60s and Detroit--just to name two examples.

Wake up Progressives. Expropriation doesn't work. Never has never will.

"Many Christians seem to miss the point, thinking that expropriation is wrong just because the wrong groups are in power, choosing the wrong causes for subsidy. This is where the horror stories are offered, and horrible they are: of subsidies to promote abortion, subsidies to photograph crucifixes in jars of urine, subsidies for all sorts of wickedness and blasphemy. But expropriation would be wrong even if each of its causes were good. Consider the following progression.

1. On a dark street, a man draws a knife and demands my money for drugs.

2. Instead of demanding my money for drugs, he demands it for the Church.

3. Instead of being alone, he is with a bishop of the Church who acts as bagman.

4. Instead of drawing a knife, he produces a policeman who says I must do as he says.

5. Instead of meeting me on the street, he mails me his demand as an official agent of the government.

If the first is theft, it is difficult to see why the other four are not also theft. Expropriation is wrong not because its causes are wrong, but because it is a violation of the Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not steal."

J. Budziszewski

It does make you wonder who the REAL NUTS are when people can't learn from the past failures.

Again: IF Obama had a City: It would look like Detroit.

August 19, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
ibshame said...

"joneses said... Now we have found that Caroline Kennedy is worth half a billion dollars. Darn those filthy, rotten, country club, wealthy white democrats."

Psst maybe you've been under a rock for the last 50 or so years or maybe you just never bothered to read more than the comic section of any newspaper(kinda like one of your heros, Sara Palin) but the wealth of the Kennedy family has been known for at least 100 or more years.

August 19, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu, I personally could gave a rat's arse where Cruz was born. Not a birther; believe Barry was born in Hawaii. but I'm betting he has denied the Hawaii birthing on more than one occasion...probably to gain advantage or $ from universities. One day it will come out. Book it.

August 19, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
chet123 said...

TEA-PARTY FOLKS ARE A MIXTURE OF "GOLDWATER REPUBLICANS" AND "DIXIECRATES"

August 19, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

CHET: YOU DON"T KNOW SQUEEZE ABOUT TEA PARTIERS. HAHAHAHAHAHA

August 19, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... CHET: YOU DON"T KNOW SQUEEZE ABOUT TEA PARTIERS. HAHAHAHAHAHA"

All anyone needs to know about the tea party is pretty well explained by Clay's editorial picture. HAHAHAHAHAHAH

August 19, 2013 at 12:10 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

PT, I didn't express an opinion on this matter. Perhaps you meant to direct your comment to someone else?

August 19, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Libshame: I'm sure a cartoon is within you and Chet's range of understanding. HAHAHAHA

August 19, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... Libshame: I'm sure a cartoon is within you and Chet's range of understanding. HAHAHAHA"

Like I said the editorial cartoon speaks for itself as most of Mr. Bennett's cartoons for those who understand political satire at its best. It's what enrages the right wing nut jobs like yourself, and others that makes it all worthwhile to look at each day. HAHAHA

August 19, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

libshame: doesn't enrage Ol' PT. Clay is a one-trick pony. Thus tedious.

August 19, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

.@SenTedCruz : The fact that @nytimes is so hysterical after 8 months over my birth certificate is a sign that we're doing something right.

Hey Bennett, about time for a Cruz toon, huh? Your leftists birthers are raring to go!

August 19, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... .@SenTedCruz : The fact that @nytimes is so hysterical after 8 months over my birth certificate is a sign that we're doing something right.

Hey Bennett, about time for a Cruz toon, huh? Your leftists birthers are raring to go!"

It's comments like yours and Ted Cruz that make RWNJ so hypocritical and laughable. They can dish it out but certainly can't take it when the tables are turned on them. When President Obama's birther groupies were all out in force demanding he release his birth certificate, they weren't hysterical right? However it's been pointed out the irony of Cruz's situation and all of a sudden the fact he was NOT BORN ON NATIVE SOIL AS WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA and instead was born in a FOREIGN COUNTRY means the ny times has gone 'HYSTERICAL' over his birth certificate. Give me a break!! Just another reason why teabaggers are nothing more than liars, hypocrites, and bigots. They are representative of all the worse in politicians and none of the better.

Here's a prime example of a right wing nut job:

"Earlier this month, Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) said he supported a continued investigation into Obama’s place of birth so that if it was determined he was born outside the U.S., “we can get rid of everything he’s done.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317585-ted-cruz-releases-birth-certificate-#ixzz2cRMi7LE3

August 19, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sooo Libshame: Because I suggest toon boy do a toon on Cruz, now I'm a "liar, hypocrite, or bigot" (or all three)? You're lost in one-way ideology, lib.

August 19, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
jesse said...

No matter WHO gets elected ya gonna get 8 more years of what ya been gitten for the last 50 years!SAME SHAT ,different face!!

Libs,cons ,dems,repbs tea party ? Don't matter ,all low life scum suckers!

August 19, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... Sooo Libshame: Because I suggest toon boy do a toon on Cruz, now I'm a "liar, hypocrite, or bigot" (or all three)? You're lost in one-way ideology, lib."

If you count yourself among the teabaggers, then as the saying goes if the shoe fits you wear it. Teabaggers are just neo-cons light. I have no use whatsoever for neo-cons as they brought this country to the brink of destruction and if given the opportunity would do so again in the name of Patriotism.

August 19, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.
jesse said...

All this talk about "tea baggers" ?

The libs on here been "sandbaggin" for Obama since day one!

I expect him to walk across lake erie any day now!

August 19, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey lib, the brink of destruction had plenty of dem votes behind it.

August 19, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

Cruz has not(at least so far) denounced his Canadian citizenship once he does then there should be no further problem with his U.S. citizenship (? - Jt) which would then make him eligible to run as a candidate for President.

They can dish it out but certainly can't take it when the tables are turned on them.

The fact he was NOT BORN ON NATIVE SOIL AS WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA and instead was born in a FOREIGN COUNTRY

Of course I don't expect Orangutan Trump to follow Cruz around demanding he produce the LONG FORM of his birth certificate.

alprova said ...

If the Federal Election Commission (Jurisdiction limited to campaign finance laws and not elgibility - Jt) clears Ted Cruz to run for the office of President, which I highly doubt they will, then he gets to run.

Passive Aggressive Birthers - So stereotypical of LWNJ’s

August 19, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

EaTn, there might be a small group of leftists who define themselves as full-blown socialists but it is a small group indeed and so insignificant as to not even be on the radar screen. Other than that there is no distinct "far-left" political group.

Fleabaggers?

August 19, 2013 at 3:14 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Fairmon, the transcript of the interview you posted was altered. Below is a quote of the actual responses in the interview;

No matter whose transcript you refer to it doesn’t present him in a very good light.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

Mr. SOROS: But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow.

If he didn’t do it then someone else would have anyway ... How many justifications for criminal acts have been attempted by that logic. Yes he was 14 but having no later feeling of guilt ... Unbelieveable.

"It was actually, probably the happiest year of my life - that year of German occupation. For me it was a very positive experience. It's a strange thing, because you see incredible suffering all around you, and in fact, you are in considerable danger yourself. But you're fourteen years old and you don't believe that it can actually touch you. You have a belief in yourself, you have a belief in your father. It's a very happy making exhilarating experience."

“happiest year of my life ... very positive experience ... very happy making exhilarating experience” ... Really?

August 19, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
conservative said...

Wow JT.

I knew very little about Soros but you have got me interested. I will have to do some research when I get more time. Has he ever shown any remorse?

August 19, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Every kind of nut in that Tea Cup but Brazil nuts? I wonder if Clay is telling us something with his "Hidden Deep Meanings?"

http://youtu.be/r9QLJjkP__o

August 19, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
fairmon said...

conservative...to learn the facts about Soros look for information where he has not controlled the source. It is not easy to find any information you can validate or that he hasn't influenced. The special interest groups he directly provides financial support and those he supports indirectly tells a lot.

August 19, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm sure that George Soros is going to get hot and bothered by the opinions of a couple of people here in Chattanooga, and that their opinions will change everything he does to make money.

After all, Fairmon, didn't you say that you love to emulate his style of investing?

August 19, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ibshame.....there is no way you can disrespect Obama after all he is just a man. Some Democrats I guess feel that we should bow at the waist every time we see Barry The Welfare Pimp on TV. No, that is not the way it works in the U.S.. We respect the office, we don't have to respect the man currently in office and I don't.

August 19, 2013 at 10:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth, I'm sure President Obama cries himself to sleep each night, worrying about the fact that you have no respect for him as President, and because you refer to him so disrespectfully.

It's going to be fun to watch the procession of wanna be Presidential Republicans shot down, one by one, tearing each other down, and finally trounced by a woman.

That is...unless Chris Christie takes the stage.

He's got the best chance to win, bar none.

August 19, 2013 at 11:36 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

At least you guys realize that in a debate, June would eat your lunch.

August 20, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Everyone is welcome to their opinion on here. But Fairmon claiming that George Soros sold out Jews to the Nazis or "moved to Europe" when he was: 1. Born in 1930 so he was selling out Jews at age 14? Unlikely. 2. Was born in Budapest and graduated from London School of Economics so he hardly "moved to Europe".

I'm not defending Soros; I've no dog in that hunt, I'm pointing out BS as BS because it taints the good and logical statements made by some of the others. Keep it factual or own up to an opinion.

August 20, 2013 at 8:56 p.m.
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