published Saturday, December 7th, 2013

Golden Arches

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jt6gR3hM said...

By MIKE FLYNN

Obama and other supporters of mandated wage hikes spin a Dickensian landscape of millions of workers struggling to raise families on a minimum wage job. This is so separated from reality that it necessitates a look at who these workers actually are.

Myth 1: Hiking wages for those at the lowest rung of the job market will boost the economy.

In 2012, just 1.6 million employees were paid the minimum wage.

Myth 2: Minimum Wage Workers Are Poor

Just over 11% of workers who would gain from an increase live in poor households. Over 63% of the workers who would gain are second or third earners in families making well over the federal poverty line. 43% of workers who would benefit live in households with income over $50,000 a year. The simple truth is that most minimum wage workers are teens, young adults just starting in the labor force and spouses providing a second income to a household.

Myth 3: Minimum Wage Workers Are Supporting a Family

A recent study by Dr. Bradley Schiller, professor emeritus at American University, found that among families where an adult was earning the minimum wage, 94% had a spouse who was also employed, often far above the minimum wage. In almost half of these families, the spouse was earning over $40,000 a year.

Myth 4: A federally mandated wage hike is the only way minimum wage workers get a raise

Nearly two-thirds of all minimum wage earners receive a raise with the first 1-12 months on the job. This is consistent with what we anecdotally know about minimum wage jobs; they are "first jobs."

Myth 5: A mandated wage hike is the best way to improve income for minimum wage workers who are poor

In the 1970s, President Gerald Ford signed into law the Earned Income Tax Credit. The program is based on the negative income tax concept first developed by Milton Friedman.

The benefit of increasing the EITC, rather than a simple minimum wage hike, is that you can concentrate the benefits on those people politicians claim they want to help; low-income, poor workers struggling to raise a family.

If our goal is to help those few workers who are trying to raise a family on the minimum wage, a federally mandated increase may be the worst thing we can do.

December 7, 2013 at 1:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

It is never as simple as it appears. Increase the lowest rate and all rates above that will increase proportionately to maintain the differentiation justified by the difference in knowledge, skill and ability required and where employers pay more to attract and retain employees to minimize turnover. Inflation will increase as well and everyone will pay for the new rates. How much KSA does it take to ask "do you want fries with that" or to use automated and modern equipment to assemble already prepared fast foods?

Once again the administration and congress demonstrates they know little about how businesses operate and just how difficult it is to operate a successful business. What should we expect from a room full of lawyers that know little about anything other than creating more laws.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Welfare by any other name is still welfare. Earned income credit is welfare hidden in the tax codes as are many other forms of welfare which are called deductions, credits, incentives etc. The talk about transparency is all talk. Increase the level of eligibility for welfare and eliminate the sources under many other labels and programs. Any assistance provided one person or business that is not available to every tax payer or business at the same rate is welfare.

Any revenue the government receives regardless of the label such as a fee, royalty, assessment or fine is a tax. The highest tax rate in the world on businesses is paid by few due to business welfare in the form of deductions and reductions for those shown favor by those receiving favor. It is foolish to think taxes on any business is paid by anyone other than the consumer.

You want to see a booming economy with government revenue at an equal or greater rate then abolish all government imposed cost and tax what is spent to assure those that can afford it are paying more. A quarterly probate will assure those at the lowest end of the scale pay no taxes or a lower rate. Politicians, the wealthy, those with black market and illegal incomes reject and attack this concept and scare the hell out of those that would benefit but can't grasp it and insist on it.

December 7, 2013 at 5:17 a.m.
joneses said...

Lets not forget the thugs that are behind the movement to raise the minimum wage. The UAW and other union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. meaning if the minimum wage is increased they union thugs get a raise as well.

December 7, 2013 at 5:59 a.m.
Reardon said...

I would love to debate an altruistic libtard like Bennett and destroy him with logic. Not that he, or any other brainwashed do-gooder, would yield and change his mind.

That's why it's pointless to debate them, much less comment on message boards like this.

Altruistic do-gooder liberals think good intentions have no consequences -- see Obamacare, Cash-For-Clunkers, for more recent examples of good intentions never panning out.

What drives me mad is there is no defining government bamboozle, junket, or sh*t-for-brains program that wakes up the liberal neanderthal, and converts them to believing the tenants of an advanced civilization. No -- more Government is the problem to Government.

Per "minimum wage," I could discuss the Law of Supply and Demand. I could discuss the economic value of a burger flipper in relation to the fast food business, and how such economic value restricts the maximal payout he will receive.

Even further, I can show you time and again that to get ahead in life with something better than mediocrity, it's up to the individual, not the State, to determine his lot in life, to aspire something greater than an ancillary position in a company, especially if he wants to EARN (4-letter word for libtards) more than the minimum.

But, I shan't. None would make any sense to the liberal do-gooder that believes taking by force from the Accomplished is moral.

December 7, 2013 at 6:16 a.m.
EaTn said...

I find it amusing how those who aren't struggling find ways to justify their thinking about those who are struggling. How many of you could raise a family on less than $300 per week with no benefits? The fast food business and customers have adjusted to the significant increase costs in meat, bread and other materials. They can also adjust to a much needed minimum wage increase.

December 7, 2013 at 6:31 a.m.
wallyworld said...

McDonald’s is offering some heartwarming advice for their employees who are struggling this holiday season. On their website, McResource Line, they suggest “Selling some of your unwanted possessions on eBay or Craigslist could bring in some quick cash.” Some other advice they give for “Digging Out From Holiday Debt” include breaking apart food at meals which will help you eat less and still feel full. The company also offers to help workers apply for food stamps. So, we the taxpayer will fund their employees. In recent months, McDonald’s offered their low wage workers, some of the most underpaid workers in the country, some other caring advice. They suggested a sample budget for their “team members” who earn on average, $7.75 per hour. In the budget, they tell workers that they shouldn’t waste their money on expenses like heating bills, and they calculated a $600 monthly rent. In New York City, that rent figure is laughable. Many of the underpaid employees have had walk-outs, protests and strikes demanding a living wage. But McDonald’s advice? “Quit complaining,” their website suggests. “Stress hormones levels rise by 15% after 10 minutes of complaining.”

December 7, 2013 at 6:48 a.m.
jesse said...

All ya have to do to get ahead in life is acquire a SKILL!Learn how to DO SOMETHING! Like pipe fitting or iron working! Ever thought about becoming an electrician?How about nursing or TRUCK DRIVING!!I left the CPD in 1976 making $15,000 a year!The first year i drove a truck(1977) i made $39,000!If ya don't do it your self it don't get done!!!

December 7, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.
hambone said...

Most of the posts so far today can be categorized as "I'VE GOT MINE, SCREW YOU"

December 7, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
jesse said...

HEY HAM, I'm having some $$$ probs right now,How about sending me a coupla thousand to tide me over? Like maybe it would help clot your bleeding heart!Ya think???

December 7, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

curious: do fast food workers all get the same (federal) minimum? Or do they get paid according to where they live? Does McD charge the same for a whopper in NYC as they do in Mobile?

December 7, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
conservative said...

Most everyone is underpaid, just ask them.

Liberals/Socialists don't have a clue about free enterprise. They are the ones who claim someone else should be paying someone else more.

They also invariably call for a "living wage" but almost never specify what that is.

December 7, 2013 at 7:43 a.m.
Reardon said...

Wally, Hambone, EaTN:

Come work for me and I'll teach you a skill (sales) where you can make six figures a year if you work hard and follow my mentorship.

The door is open to anyone, including McDonald's workers. I will work with anyone willing to better themselves and wants to achieve something greater than mediocrity.

BUT... Odds are you'd rather b*tch and moan about wanting more for less, or more for the same, than praising those who want to get out and better themselves.

EaTN -- there are enough welfare programs to help those in need. Ever been in a project or a poor person's home? Have you seen what capitalism and charity has done for America's "poor?" Big screens, cable, heat and air, clean, running water, and more food than the eye can see.

America's poor are kings compared to the starving masses in Africa.

Lkeithlu -- The Law of Supply and Demand. Look at the Oil Boom in North Dakota. Wal-Mart and Subway workers are getting paid $15/hr plus.

Why? Because they have to stay competitive with the salaries the oil industry is paying out to its workers.

Point is the wage offered reflects what the market will take -- meaning what "underpaid" workers will accept, given the supply of jobs and their respective wages available in the job market.

December 7, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

hambone said...

Most of the posts so far today can be categorized as "I'VE GOT MINE, SCREW YOU"

I helped pay for your education which you did not take advantage of, I helped pay for your training to learn a skill or trade which you failed to utilize, I pay more taxes so you can get a refund of more than you paid in, I contribute to the cost of your government food card and a few other freebies. Now you want me to pay more for a hamburger so I would again be contributing to your lack of initiative. Screw you, get yours like I got mine, go to school acquire a skill or trade that is valued by an employer and work your ass off and save as much as you can and pay your own way. Help provide for the elderly, the disabled and children and help those that want to better their lot in life with education and training do so. It is time for you to be a giver not a taker.

Why do people want to make what is intended as a part time or transition job a career job? Would the new minimum apply to all the small struggling businesses that need help? Would it apply to the transient farm workers? Will it justify investing in more automation and reduced need for employees? The answer is yes.

December 7, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

Enable the creation of good paying jobs, increase the percent of eligible workers from a 30 year low of 63% to closer to 75- 80% and the wage issue goes away and the inflation issue comes to life. Employers will have to bid wages up to fill their employment needs. Do you recall when there were job fairs and large signing bonuses for those with programming skills, or the huge signing bonuses for pharmacist. A shortage of something does that in a free market economy. Gas prices are another example of supply and demand working. Unions have and serve one purpose which is to keep feeding their own greed and the high dollar hierarchy in the union.

December 7, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.
wallyworld said...

The real leeches on the body politic are the 1 percent who are so greedy that they wish to cut assistance to America's hungry, poor, sick and elderly in order that their possession of 35 percent of America's total wealth can continue expanding. It is they who have created the false panic about "the deficit" in order to shore up their demand that "spending must be curtailed," all in the hopes that no one will look behind the curtain at the mounds of wealth upon which they are sitting. And just what do these elite "do" with their money? They spend it on themselves. Overwhelmingly, they do not create jobs, expand businesses (especially within the US), or donate to the arts, the poor, or larger community needs. This tiny elite is the true "entitlement class" of America, not the struggling, often underpaid, workers, nor the ill, the elderly, or the unemployed.

December 7, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.
schizka said...

I see the demand for wage increase as a double-edged swords. I also show and have empathy for people who work in fast foods. They're often treated badly by management and customers alike. Management know most who apply are low skilled or are often in between jobs, desperately looking to just get by. Other workers are usually high school trying to earn extra cash. My concern is if wages are increased to 15 bucks an hour, the places will go high tech and start using automation (like manufacturing jobs went) which will require fewer human-workers. Why pay high wages to human-workers, when robots are cheaper?

All my children got their first job at fast food when they were old enough to work. Fortunately, they had good managers who treated them fairly. That's not always the case. Like I say I empathize with these workers, but I fear they could be shooting themselves in the foot.

December 7, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
soakya said...

why don't you compassionate bleeding heart liberals pool all your money and buy a McDonalds franchise and pay what ever wages you want too. I'll tell you why you won't, because just like the president you can barely get out of bed without someone holding your hand.

December 7, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Reardon, in oil boom areas like TX, prices are so high for housing that pay has to keep up, or the workers outside of the oil business could not stay there to provide the services.

December 7, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Wonder what % of the workers earning $7.25 are worth even that much?

December 7, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
soakya said...

jt6, the earned income credit is one of the biggest welfare redistribution tools created by the federal government. if it replaced all other forms of welfare assistance it might actually be a good alternative by reducing not only those assistance programs but the many different agency's that administer them. if you are receiving the earned income credit you more than likely are also receiving the child tax credit and the additional child tax credit, when added to all the other tax free welfare benefits you are in the middle class.

December 7, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
schizka said...

The other question is, why are they only going after McDonald's and not say, Taco Bell, Captain D's, Burger King and a host of other fast food places. In some areas of the country where demands is high and employees are hard to come, fast foods like McDonald's are offering salaries as high as 20+ dollars an hour.

Could the reason they're being attacked and not others have anything to do with such businesses as McDonald's, Wal-Mart and other companies who once supported ALEC are now pulling their support after their support for the SYG law and the tragic death of the Florida child at the overzealous hands of a gun toting maniac?

I'll say it again, because there's something really stinky going on here, Americans are so naïve. Not only what goes on in countries and why, but they don't even have a clue what's taking place and why in their own country. They just jump into the mess without first re-searching the facts.

December 7, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
tifosi said...

PALIN: "I — I can if they choose to misinterpret what it is that I’m saying. And, again, you know, I’m sure if we open up the dictionary, we could prove that with semantics that are various, we can prove that there is a definition of slavery that absolutely fits the bill there, when I’m talking about a bankrupt country that will owe somebody something down the line if we don’t change things that is, we will be shackled. We will be enslaved to those who we owe."

According to Webster’s Dictionary, slavery as a noun means, “the state of being a slave :the practice of owning slaves.” There is no meaning of slavery as Palin described it in the interview. All the definitions of slavery are related to owning other human beings as property.

Sarah Palin seems absolutely unaware of the fact that a white person telling African-Americans that they misinterpreted the term slavery reeks of both white privilege and racism. Palin is an example of the Republican Party’s attitude towards minorities. She doesn’t care if the use of the term slavery offends people. In fact, she probably hopes that it will offend people so that she will get even more attention.

Republicans are always trying to diminish slavery by comparing their own plight of maybe having to pay higher taxes, or the bills that our government ran up as slavery. The truth is that these things have nothing in common with slavery. The debt does not mean that the American people are literally shackled with no human rights. Paying the debt does not make Republicans property.

The legacy of slavery is alive and well in much of the racism that we see in our country today. The sort of racism that Sarah Palin has repeatedly used against President Obama.

December 7, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^^ who wrote that for you, Tiffy?

December 7, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
conservative said...

The hypocrites at the Nation magazine pay their interns a stipend of $150 dollars a week for fulltime work, which comes to $3.75 an hour.

I guess by calling it a stipend they avoid the minimum wage.

This from a far left, crazy left, bunch of Socialists who push for increases in the minimum wage!

Liberals are consistently hypocrites, liars and Socialists.

December 7, 2013 at 9:28 a.m.
soakya said...

I certainly agree racism is alive and well and it lives in liberal ideology

December 7, 2013 at 9:28 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

McDonald's: May I take your order, please? Customer: Yes, I'd like four Big Mac meal deals. McDonald's: Anything else? Customer: No. McDonald's: OK, your total is $52.

December 7, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
conservative said...

Liberals/Socialists argue that people cannot pay their rent, car, transportation, food or care for their children on minimum wage.

I certainly agree!

These minimum wage low skilled jobs are largely held by teenagers entering the work force or retired people supplementing their retirement income.

If you want a home of your own and a family you are just going to have to get an education or acquire a job skill like everyone else did.

December 7, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
rick1 said...

soakya, your absolutely right look at how the blacks and gays make up incidents of racism. Most recently the black waitress who made up the story that a white couple wrote the N word on the receipt and did not leave her a tip which was proven to be a lie.

The lesbian waitress from NJ who lied about getting an anti-gay insult in lieu of a tip. And guess what happened to the $2,000 she received in anti gay donations that she said she would be giving to the Wounded Warrior Project? It has been found there is no record of her making any donation.

December 7, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
conservative said...

Now, if you want to get some insight into how Liberals/Socialists/Leftists think then read Pam's points today.

She made several crazy points but the craziest one in my opinion was where she inadvertently pointed out that the McDonald's protestors were demanding $15.00 an hour while the Chattanooga VW workers were starting out at $14.50 an hour.

Ms. Sohn obviously does not understand why a person assembling hamburgers should not make as much as a person assembling cars.

PEOPLE ASSEMBLING HAMBURGERS SHOULD NOT MAKE AS MUCH AS PEOPLE ASSEMBLING CARS!

December 7, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Two things seem to be very different now from America's boom years for middle and lower workers. 1) Technology and globalization have greatly reduced labor demand; the US now has a permanent over-supply of workers. And 2), the US abolished the maximum wage which has led to extreme abuse by those that control big business. The US tax code used to be graduated sharply toward the mega million pay outs. Because of those high rates, companies would not pay extreme salaries because they would be eaten up in taxes. The rich were forced to get rich slowly. Sometimes they would have to work 20-30 years to amass a grand fortune. Now, with tax reform and a highly paid accountant, taxation for the rich has been reduced to a mild irritant and fortunes can be made overnight with a slick enough deal.

If the US hopes to have a healthy society, it won't be through the minimum wage, but through either fewer workers or more jobs that create a shortage of labor. And the US needs to return to the sensible tax policies that created a rich nation instead of uber-rich people.

December 7, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
rick1 said...

nucanuck, you may want to read this article about the so called higher tax rates from the 1950's

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/010413-639424-obama-high-taxes-still-worse-than-1950s-tax-rates.htm?p=full

December 7, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
rick1 said...

nuncanuk, here is another article you may find interesting on how the rich and everyone else including the poor are getting richer.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/120613-682112-challenge-of-our-time-is-to-boost-economic-growth.htm?p=full

The people who are defined as being poor in this country are living a much better life then those that are considered middle class in other countries.

Here are the percentages of households below the poverty level that the Census Bureau estimates had the following appliances: Clothes washer: 68.7% Clothes dryer: 65.3% Dish washer: 44.9% Refrigerator: 97.8% Food freezer: 26.2% Stove: 96.6% Microwave: 93.2% Air conditioner: 83.4% Television: 96.1% Video recorder/DVD:83.2% Computer: 58.2% Telephone (landline): 54.9% Cell phone: 80.9%

http://www.census.gov/hhes/well-being/publications/extended-11.html

December 7, 2013 at 11:30 a.m.
Maximus said...

Jesse...I'm proud of you. It does my heart good to see the smiling faces of the young folks working at McDonalds when I buy my coffee in the early AM. An appropriate question to ask any young adult working in a low paying retail or food industry job is......What's your plan? As Jesse so wisely said, your future, especially here in the United States, is what YOU want it to be. It is typical of loser, class warfare, Democrat elitists like Clay The Victimized Army Brat to trash fine American icon companies like McDonalds in support of their sick and stupid mentality that organized labor and big government are the answers to YOUR dreams. The fact is, the larger guvment and unions get the smaller people get. Ray Kroc, the founder of McDonalds was like many great Americans, an average guy with a dream. McDonalds stock is selling for $96.80 a share. I have owned McDonalds stock for twenty years and it has done especially well during the Barry The Welfare Pimp years. Why? Obama has created a lot of poor people in the U.S. and McDonalds with it's remarkably clean and consistent food quality is the place where a LOT of the Obama poor go for a hot meal or salad. To all of those working in a minimum wage job, if you do not have a plan and a dream of where YOU want to take your life, YOU WILL BE POOR no matter how much "the officials" raise the minimum wage. Oh and if you are healthy, of sound mind and body under the age of 65 and you depend on the guvment for your success you will not only be poor but you will be a no count scumbag. Nobody wants to be a no count scumbag except for a good percentage of Barry The Welfare Pimp voters. In closing, to all you McDonalds workers, thanks for your hard work and who knows, if you have a vision, goals, and a plan for achieving them you might own a few McDonalds someday.

December 7, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
charivara said...

After WWII the US supported progressive taxation, banking regulation, labor legislation, and investments in education, infrastructure, health care and R&D. Yet despite all these liberal efforts to undermine true American values a prosperous middle class, against all logic, emerged. Fortunately, after Ronald Reagan was elected the US adopted a conservative agenda of trickle-down economics, deregulation, outsourcing and a weakened labor movement. Now the middle class is deservedly disappearing in a nation controlled by right wing wackos financed by multibillionaires and elected by ignoramouses. The way God intended it to be.

Thankfully, we still have smart people like Soakya, conservative, Plain Truth, Jesse, Reardon, Maximus, et al who know that our country’s current problems are the fault of “libertards” and can support their beliefs with “logic”. And they're so polite.

I’m sure the Waltons who, through their personal hard work alone, (more logic) control greater wealth than over 100 million Americans at the bottom of the wealth scale combined, are grateful for their support. Makes it easier for them to steal even more.

n.b. Don't you love Reardon’s “I could show you [how correct I am] but I shan’t. Shan’t!? No, you mean “can’t” otherwise you would. For instance, you really can show us how the State had nothing to do with the wealth of the Waltons? They earned it all by themselves? You can do that? Really? Had nothing to do with favorable tax laws, favorable regulatory rules, favorable court decisions? Really? Then do it or shut up.

December 7, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Soooo, Charivara, what's your solution?

December 7, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.

Cheap, knee jerk cartoon by a lefty.

They get paid exactly what they deserve, exactly what the job is worth. It's not meant to be a career.

The workers who are striking got their marching orders from the Democrat Party. This is about distracting from Obaggercare.

I suggest they all quit their jobs at McDonalds, or other places like that, and try and find another job in this crappy Obama job market. Good luck. Be glad for what you have, improve yourself, develop a passion for something, and work hard it.

December 7, 2013 at 12:54 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Reardon, if you can show anyone how to earn "6 figures a year", then why place restrictions on your own net worth? If the sky's the limit (as many of you suggest), how come we only get a sample of your intelligence in the Comment Section of Clay's cartoons? Why aren't we reading about your monetary brilliance in Forbe's, Money, or the WSJ? Instead, we get mindless drivel about how any citizen could better themselves, all the while I gather the impression that most of you need to better yourself.

December 7, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
volsam said...

charivara, Do you think the great experiment called America was founded on progressive principles? The founders vision was for self reliance not the welfare state that the progressives have created. Reagan was the last President who wasn't a progressive. The economy under Reagan was the best I can remember. Low unemployment and rising wages were the norm not the exception like it is now. We get excited because the unemployment rate FELL to 7 percent? Unacceptable.

December 7, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
volsam said...

Maximus, WELL SAID.

December 7, 2013 at 1:10 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Volsam, Reagan most certainly was a progressive. You are delusional to say otherwise.

December 7, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Minimum wage should be about $20 hour because the left feeeels like it should.

December 7, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Gassy. I guess you must be a big Reagan man, yes?

December 7, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

I didn't dislike him. I wasn't a big fan of STAR WARS or the thought of needing a huge military to thwart the spread of communism. I also think his deregulation lead to the S&L scandal during Bush's term. He also raised taxes three times. A GOP president today would be bound by the No Tax Pledge from a lobbyist.

December 7, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"And the US needs to return to the sensible tax policies that created a rich nation instead of uber-rich people." - nucanuck

Well said, nucanuck. The American Dream used to be about the opportunity for the average person to attain a level of prosperity that enabled them to buy their own house, raise a family, have ample free time to enjoy their family life, pay for their kids' schooling, and retire in relative comfort. And there was a time when that was achieved by millions of 40 hr./week workers with nothing more than a high school education and only the particular on-the-job skills learned at whatever foundry, factory, or industry they worked for. Today's fast-food workers and Walmart/Target/Kmart employees are not any lazier or lacking in a desire to achieve, they are just vastly underpaid and are having to keep their noses to the grindstone just to stay afloat. And the only means of rising above their day-to-day struggles, other than some entrepreneurial brain-storm (which, even with a brilliant idea, requires capital and time to set the idea in motion) there are not enough high-tech, high-paying jobs to go around; and even if there were, higher education has become outrageously expensive and keeps getting more expensive and inaccessible every year.

If the wages of blue-collar workers had kept pace with inflation, they would be making a minimum wage of at least $10/hr. today. If they had kept pace with the percentage in increases that CEOs have seen over the years they would be making at least $21/hr. in base pay. Granted, we are not turning out the American-made products that we used to, and since most of the products we buy are made so cheaply abroad by people working at slave-labor wages we have lost touch with the true value of those products. So an argument can be made that a burger flipper or a Walmart cashier is not turning out a product that has the equivalent worth of, say, what a 1954 washing machine made in America was worth back then. Yet, the CEOs and the white collar executives of these companies are managing to rake in millions and billions per year off the backs of these "under-achievers," and their profits continue to rise every year. So there is no reason that some of those profits could/should not go right back to the employees in the form of better wages. Even a burger flipper, no matter their education or skill level, is providing a service to the public that is necessary and of value, both to the customer and to the owner, and as such should be rewarded with sufficient wages to at least eke out a living without having to apply for government assistance or work extra jobs.

December 7, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
Maximus said...

Charivari......Dude individual initiative and self reliance depend on making sound individual decisions based on a number of factors, for example, I made the decision to increase my investments in Pharma stocks when Medicare Part D was past during the Bush administration. I increased that investment in pharma stocks when a plan was past that I do not agree with, Obamacare, but I made an INDIVIDUAL investment decision based on my INDIVIDUAL investment approach. My pharma stocks are up over 50% since I made those INDIVIDUAL investment decisions. You can't see the forest for the trees boy. If you want to not only survive but thrive in the USA and for that matter any where, you better have a plan, focus on the goal, make smart decisions and most of all work hard. Another great investment these days......Smith & Wesson and of course Wal Mart where the EBT cards are used. Pay attention to the economy, politicians, and even pop culture and you can redistribute your own wealth to yourself! Merry Christmas to all! Again, to the self reliant individual it makes no difference who the Prez is or which party is in power, YOU control your destiny. Now as U.S. citizens you must be vigilant and be involved in the political process or else a jerk like Barry The Welfare Pimp will come along and try to sell a lie that it is up to HIM and the elite ruling class to determine your destiny which is why we, back in the day kicked the Brits ass for trying to control our INDIVIDUAL freedom and destiny. History tends to repeat itself and we have a tyrant in office now that is ignoring the Constitution. The next 3 years will be difficult for some but not for my because "I" take care of my own economy. YOU should do the same, especially the little boy whiner Charivara who could not even be Ronald Reagan's yard boy.:)

December 7, 2013 at 2:11 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

There was a time when most Americans saw the US in the U.S. but today's neo-cons only see the ME in America.

December 7, 2013 at 2:25 p.m.
Maximus said...

Rickaroo...it is part of many companies "business plan" , something you obviously are not familiar with, to employ entry level workers at entry level wages. If you are 30 years old flipping burgers at McDonalds you need to re-adjust your plan and probably your attitude. Of course for some, like Rickaroo, maintaining low expectations and enough beer and pot to get by is the plan and flipping burgers is the future. Nothing wrong with that by the way just don't whine, like Barry The Welfare Pimp and Rickaroo that our system is unfair. Obama recently stated....I want to make our economy work for everyone. Now folks I'm no economist but doesn't your financial in-flow need to surpass or at least equal your out go? Doesn't supply and demand still rule? What Obama is saying is IMPOSSIBLE under our Democracy unless of course he becomes a King or Dictator which is what he, some elites, and of course low ambition, lazy, no count failures like Rickaroo who by the way has an excuse for everything. Like Barry The Welfare Pimp, Rickaroo is allergic to accountability. How about that Obamacare website? You bunch of sucker Obama voters! Lol!

December 7, 2013 at 2:26 p.m.
Maximus said...

There will be more U.S. in U.S.A. after the mid terms. Rickapoo you are fighting a loser cause. Booo hoooo I'm a victim of circumstance......man up dude you are embarrassing. Wal-Mart, UPS, Amazon, Fed X are all hiring. It's easy too, in this Obama world, those that work hard and do a little bit extra every day for their employer will stand out and advance quickly. There are so many living at home with their parents waiting fo Obama to take care of them that there is less competition among workers and the go getters will stand out, grow skills, advance and thrive. As ole Zig Ziglar. , bless his heart used to say....." Your attitude and work ethic produces your altitude."

December 7, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

There's a reason there are more 30 yr.-olds flipping burgers today and it's not because they are just lazy or stupid. Most of them most likely had a pretty decent paying job before the recession hit in '08 but they have had to resort to flipping burgers or working at Walmart because there is little else out there in the job market. Maximus, in your arrogance and your rush to judgment of anyone not fitting your specific notion of success, you fail to acknowledge or even realize that those millions of jobs that were lost are not there any more and are not coming back, and the "job creators," with all the vast tax cuts they have enjoyed the last 10+ years have not created any new jobs to replace those that were lost. Those of you who were fortunate enough not to lose your jobs or who had sufficient assets to tide you over are so lacking in empathy or a realistic assessment of how disastrous that recession was for a lot of people that you just blame it all on a lack of individual initiative. You, sir, are blind, deaf, and dumb, because your humongous ego is so vast, you can't see beyond your pathetic little self.

December 7, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
alprova said...

volam wrote: "The economy under Reagan was the best I can remember. Low unemployment and rising wages were the norm not the exception like it is now. We get excited because the unemployment rate FELL to 7 percent? Unacceptable."

Such was the case at the END of his presidency and unemployment was on it's way back up when Reagan left office. The economy struggled just as badly as it has since Obama has been in office, but fell at fast rates over the eight years.

When Ronald Reagan stepped into the Oval Office, the nemployment rate was at 12%. In 1989, it bottomed out at 5.2%. By the time he handed the Wite House over to his Vice-President, unemployment had risen to 7.5%

The best years of unemployment and economic factors occurred during the Clinton Presidency, when unemployment actually dipped to a solid 4%.

Reagan was a popular President, and while he eventually did right the economy, by the time he left office, the numbers were headed in the wrong direction.

December 7, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Minimum wage should be about $20 hour because the left feeeels like it should."

Why not address the issue from a serious and realistic perspective for a little while?

I'm sure that there are people working minimum wage jobs because it is all that they can find. Some may be working two jobs to make ends meet.

Not every person working such jobs are teens living with rich parents, as some have suggested.

Now I don't agree that those working at McDobnald's deserve $15.00 an hour, $10.00 an hour is a realistic wage in the year 2013, if one were to keep up with inflation and wage increases that have been awarded working Americans.

Paying people a living wage garnishes business owners with workers that represent their businesses with pride and respect to all, with every transaction.

Customers tend to become repeat customers where they feel welcome to patronize.

How many of us have passed up a previous fast food joint based on an employee treating them badly? I'm betting most of us have.

Okay, better pay is no insurance that it will improve every employee's attitudes, but paying people a decent wage keeps them coming into work each day, it builds loyalty, and familiar faces builds customer loyalty as well.

I proved that to myself years ago. I've banked far more money from keeping a consistent workforce, rather than spending time hiring new workers all the time. And that was at a time when I employed nearly a hundred people.

I was money ahead to offer above average wages and benefits.

December 7, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Welcome back, alprova. I'm really sorry to hear of your misfortune but I hope that you are now on the road to better health. I have missed your comments. I tend to agree with you on most things and disagree on only a few, but even in those areas we disagree I still enjoy and appreciate your clear reasoning and thoughtful posts.

December 7, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
Maximus said...

Al during the Clinton presidency, the Monica era I like to call it, Newt Gingrich, then Speaker Of The House and a brilliant man by the way, saw to it that taxes were maintained at a reasonable level and that work for welfare rules were enforced. Gingrich is the reason why Clinton is viewed by some as a good president economically at least. Morally Clinton and his wife are bankrupt. And Rickaroo what can I say? Blaming our current economic woes and most likely your personal failures on what happened in 2008 is exactly your problem. Come on man, your lack of ego and personal accountability have left you impotent. Buying into the victimization message of Barry The Welfare Genie is the reason 30 year olds are flipping burgers at McDonalds instead of managing a McDonalds. Again, for go getters, this is one of the best times to advance, because you have weany whiners like Rickaboo boo!

December 7, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.

If you take things to their logical conclusion, then most liberal demands are ridiculous. Why $20, $30 or $50 an hour? Why only $15? What is a living wage? Sometimes it takes two jobs to make it, or three. If you don't like what a job pays, then go find another one. It isn't the responsibility of an employer to make sure you have enough to live on, that's your responsibility. We live in the era of the big, entitled baby. We have a manipulative and narcissistic president fueling this idiocy. It takes virtually no talent, or real skill, to follow the McDonald's formula for preparing and serving their food. It's robotic and you're there to not think, but to just do. It pays exactly what the job is worth. If you don't like it, there's no problem finding anyone to fill the spot. Grow up all you big babies.

December 7, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, dude, maybe your recent illness has blocked the blood vessels to your brain. McDonalds and most other fast food and retail chains provide a great work environment, great training, and consistent quality and service. There will always be slacker employees with bad attitudes but overwhelmingly most workers at Wal Mart, McDonalds, Starbucks, and Whole Foods appreciate they have a good job in a safe clean environment with an opportunity to advance if THE INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO AND IS WILLING to work with and listen to management toward agreed upon career development goals. You would be amazed at how many Wal Mart, McDonalds, Burger King and Starbucks managers have worked their way from minimum wage counter employee to store manager or senior executive management. I'm having fun watching college football while schooling you whiney, excuse ridden socialists trying to blame some President (i.e. 2008 Bush) or system for someone's financial or career challenges while in most cases, for healthy Americans of sound mind they should look to THEMSELVES for either the blame for their lot in life or the reason for their success. Rickaroo blaming our current economic challenges on the 08 recession is classic and defines the source of our current nightmare in the White House.

December 7, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
alprova said...

rickaroo wrote: "Welcome back, alprova. I'm really sorry to hear of your misfortune but I hope that you are now on the road to better health."

Actually, my health was very good three weeks ago. I had reversed all my bad labs and was doing everything my doctors wanted me to do. I apparently scratched my leg on something that set up a nasty case of gangrene that resulted in my right leg being amputated.

I've come a long way in the eight days since I left the hospital. My strength is coming back, my mind has rebounded, and I'm back on my usual meds which has stabilized my body back to it's previous state, with no sign of infection at all. I'm learning to do more and more for myself, but still can't get into my own home yet.

Gotta get a ramp built first.

My stump it healing very well, with absolutely no pain, which has amazed the Surgeon. I get the pleasure of getting the 36 stitches taken out the day after Christmas.

I was very sick for a couple of weeks, which I hope to never repeat again for the rest of my life. In the meantime, I'll have an electric wheelchair in about a week, which will allow me to be more mobile, until I am fitted with a prosthetic leg.

Thankfully, it was amputated below the knee, so it will not be so hard to learn to walk again, when the time comes.

"I have missed your comments. I tend to agree with you on most things and disagree on only a few, but even in those areas we disagree I still enjoy and appreciate your clear reasoning and thoughtful posts."

As have I missed everyone, even those I ave sparred with over the years. On the day I disappeared, I became ill in a matter of minutes, after returning from one of my routine doctor visits with my nephrologist. It truly was bizarre.

At first, they thought I had pneumonia. Three days later, they discovered the gangrene during a CT scan, as I kept sliding downhill.

At any rate, I am 1,000% better than I was a week and a half ago and am improving every day.

And to think that I actually asked God to take my life the day after my leg was removed. Unanswered prayers are sometimes for a very good reason.

Life is good and I am glad to still be alive.

December 7, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
Maximus said...

Oh yea Al, and McDonalds has no repeat customers. Again, average American Ray Kroc just like average American Sam Walton, neither born of wealth, had the INDIVIDUAL idea, vision, goals, drive, determination and above all relentless hard work to achieve GLOBAL business success not only for themselves but for millions around the world. Both companies are icons of the American free market capitalistic economic system dependent on freedom and individual success that is the envy of the world except for our President, Barry The Make The Economy Work For Everyone Genie. :)

Can you imagine if Obama was a McDonalds restaurant manager? The drive thru would be a nightmare and the employees would be on strike! Lol.

December 7, 2013 at 4:08 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

There is no meaning of slavery as Palin described it in the interview. All the definitions of slavery are related to owning other human beings as property.

Sarah Palin seems absolutely unaware of the fact that a white person telling African-Americans that they misinterpreted the term slavery reeks of both white privilege and racism.

So now we have to get permission from “African-Americans” to use the words Slave or Slavery?

Palin is an example of the Republican Party’s attitude towards minorities. She doesn’t care if the use of the term slavery offends people. In fact, she probably hopes that it will offend people so that she will get even more attention.

Republicans are always trying to diminish slavery by comparing their own plight of maybe having to pay higher taxes, or the bills that our government ran up as slavery. The truth is that these things have nothing in common with slavery. The debt does not mean that the American people are literally shackled with no human rights. Paying the debt does not make Republicans property.

The legacy of slavery ...(should you really be using that hateful word?) is alive and well in much of the racism that we see in our country today. The sort of racism that Sarah Palin has repeatedly used against President Obama. ... (He is such a victum ... isn’t he?)

From the Anti-Slavery Society:

Pawnage or pawn slavery is a form of servitude akin to bonded labor under which the debtor provides another human (Our children? )being as security or collateral for the debt. Until the debt (including interest on it) is paid off, the creditor has the use of the labor of the pawn.

Debt bondage has been defined by the United Nations as a form of "modern day slavery" and is prohibited by international law. It is specifically dealt with by article 1(a) of the United Nations 1956 Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery.

Future generations of Americans’ lifestyle will be diminished greatly by the “Debt Bondage... Slavery” that we are obligating them with.

December 7, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
Maximus said...

Al our worst healthcare system in the world seems to be taking care of you pretty well. As you know amputation is common in diabetic hypertensives suffering from kidney disease. Diabetes is a terrible disease and I encourage everyone to take INDIVIDUAL control of your health by keeping your weight at a healthy level. You can even eat smart at McDonalds now a days so watch your weight. Obesity is a leading cause of diabetes and as Alprova can probably attest, diabetes will wreck your kidneys and put you in a dialysis unit during your not so golden retirement years. If you have a gut, make a personal commitment to get rid of it.

December 7, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I have said all that I care to say to you, Maxine. You don’t even know me but you are making wild insinuations about me that are not even close to what you are so idiotically spouting off. And as for the rest of your commentary, it is so clichéd and trite, you are either a troll or you’re as dumb as dirt. Either way it's hard to take you seriously, and to spend time going back and forth with you is just stooping to your level and wallowing in your mud. If you are as rich as you pretend to be, your arrogance and your incessant talking about it make you the butt of your own jokes and you don't even have the good sense to realize it. And if you are indeed a black man, as you have claimed to be, then we can truly say that racism, at least against black people, has been completely eradicated – because now a black man is free enough to espouse the same arrogant, hateful philosophy of the rich old white men who enslaved his people before. Yes, Maxine, you are free at last! – free to be as rich, stupid, arrogant, and ass-holish as you want to be.

December 7, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
Maximus said...

Jt6gr....Sarah Palin really? And about debt.....Barry The Make The Economy Work For Everyone Welfare Genie has run up more debt than ANY president in history and what do we have to show for it? A broke website.

If you want someone embarrassing themselves in front of a black audience google Hillary Clinton's speech to the NAACP where she tried to talk black. As a black man I laugh uncontrollably every time I hear it.

December 7, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The phrase "why use 50 words when 5000 will do" was made for Alpo. Nevertheless, I'm glad he's on the north side of the sod.

December 7, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.
Maximus said...

Rickaroo...sorry old sport but you can't argue with the facts. You need to listen to some other clichés besides those espoused by the Democrat party and you might find yourself a better man. Yea you white Democrats can't stand a successful, self made black man because you want us all to be on the Democrat plantation. Yessir mater I votes Democrat cause da pay my rents........YOU ARE A SAD BITTER RACIST. I bet you have never had a black person visit your trailer, not that any of my people would want to. They would grow weary of listening to your diatribes as to why America is so evil and unfair. They get enough of that from Obama. Auburn just scored!

December 7, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Maximus said...

Oh and Rickapoo I know you from your writings. You are a boring victimized predictable Democrat loser. Enjoy your night at the bowling alley.....alone. :)

December 7, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

EaTn said...

I find it amusing how those who aren't struggling find ways to justify their thinking about those who are struggling. How many of you could raise a family on less than $300 per week with no benefits? The fast food business and customers have adjusted to the significant increase costs in meat, bread and other materials. They can also adjust to a much needed minimum wage increase.

The costs of meat, bread and other materials are set by market forces so why not the cost of labor? Just because the price of meat goes up it will do bread no use to ask for a price increase because he spawned new ovens when he couldn’t afford them and they want an X-box and I-Pad for Christmas.

BTW ... Most anyone raising a family (how many?) on less than $300 a week are definitely getting benefits like no federal income taxes, several tax credits, food stamps, and probably Medicaid/CHIP.

December 7, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.
schizka said...

re: volsam said... charivara, Do you think the great experiment called America was founded on progressive principles? The founders vision was for self reliance not the welfare state that the progressives have created

If the founding fathers vision was for self reliance, they would have never embraced slavery. Wasn't slavery, forcing others to do the work you're too lazy to do, a form a social programs? When has America not been a welfare nation? The rich getting richer off the backs of the enslaved. Long after slavery was abolished in most northern states, northern businessmen were still profiting from the capture and transport of slaves to the southern states.

There's the story of the wealthy Canadian black man who allowed his black daughter to marry a southern planter and move her down south. When they entered southern territory, he placed her in shackles and kept her as a slave. The father would later rescue her_but still. Even freed blacks living in northern states were chanced being captured and brought to the south to be sold as slaves.

December 7, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
charivara said...

Plain Truth: Solution? As long as I can’t afford a lobbyist who can throw money around to get legislation to personally enrich me, a good start would be publicly funded elections.

Maximus: You call the President of the United States “Barry, the Welfare Pimp”, and a “tyrant” which only proves you are nothing but a potty mouthed ignoramus, didn’t your mother teach you manners?

You really believe that you personally control your own economic future and all you have accomplished has been done all by yourself? And you expect anyone to take you seriously? Sorry, but much of what you have achieved is also the result of other people’s hard work and a certain amount of luck. Where one is born and who their parents are is a matter of luck and that has more to do with individual success than individual initiative does. But then, everything is simple for a simpleton.

December 7, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Why do I have the overwhelming feeling that Maximus is overstating his financial portfolio? Maybe it's because of this little jewel:

"Another great investment these days......Smith & Wesson and of course Wal Mart where the EBT cards are used. Pay attention"

Uh, Wal-Mart is not a great investment.

December 7, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hambone said...

Most of the posts so far today can be categorized as "I'VE GOT MINE, SCREW YOU"

As it applies to you then you are half right.

December 7, 2013 at 5:34 p.m.
degage said...

Al, As I told my mother in law when she was upset over her prayers not being answered when her daughter was dying, " Your prayer was answered, just not what you wanted." Your prayer was answered for the better, Your life on earth is not finished. All you atheist , leave this one alone, this is between Alprova and me. Praying for you Al.

December 7, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Madam Gage. Brace thyself.

December 7, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

Why do I have the overwhelming feeling that Maximus is overstating his financial portfolio? Maybe it's because of this little jewell:

"Another great investment these days......Smith & Wesson and of course Wal Mart where the EBT cards are used. Pay attention"

Uh, Wal-Mart is not a great investment.

Wal-Mart’s stock price has nearly doubled in the last three years ... but you knew that ... Right?

December 7, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.
degage said...

PT, I will just ignore the nasty remark's. Al knows I care and that is all that is important. Just because they don't believe doesn't mean I can't.

December 7, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

True enough, lady.

December 7, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

wallyworld said...

It is they who have created the false panic about "the deficit" in order to shore up their demand that "spending must be curtailed," all in the hopes that no one will look behind the curtain at the mounds of wealth upon which they are sitting.

“false panic about "the deficit"” ... LMFAO!!!

That we are not really in debt up to our a&&holes seems to be a common theme amongest Fleabaggers.

By Wynn Marlow

In August 2013, Young Invincibles (a name suggestive of comic book heroes) in partnership with HHS, launched the Healthy Young America Video Contest in order to mobilize American youth to "educate and Inform one another about the Affordable Care Act."

The grand prize was awarded to Erin McDonald for her video

"Forget about the Price Tag."

Part of the winning song:

Ain't about the (uh) cha-ching, cha-ching

Ain't about the (yeah) ba-bling, ba-bling

Wanna make the world dance

Forget about the price tag

We need to take it back in time

When music made us all unite

And it wasn't low blows and video hoes

Am I the only one gettin' tired?

Why is everybody so obsessed?

Money can't buy us happiness

Can we all slow down and enjoy right now

Guarantee we'll be feelin' alright

Everybody look to their left

Everybody look to their right

Can you feel that? Yeah

We'll pay them with love tonight

It's not about the money, money, money

We don't need your money, money, money

We just wanna make the world dance

Forget about the price tag

December 7, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Wal-Mart’s stock price has nearly doubled in the last three years ... but you knew that ... Right?"

Oh really? Where did you get those figures? On December 10, 2010, Wal-Mart's stock price was 54.28. Today it is at 79.94. If during the same time, one spent 16.97 more for a share of Costco stock, that stock would be worth 42.12 more than a share of Wal-Mart.

December 7, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^^^ I just can't....

December 7, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

schizka said...

The other question is, why are they only going after McDonald's and not say, Taco Bell, Captain D's, Burger King and a host of other fast food places.

It’s an old labor union scheme used to great effect by the UAW. At contract time the union would pick only one of the auto manufacturers to target with strikes if necessary. The target company knew they would be out of business while the other’s would profit off their lost sales. The majority of union members would continue to work and pay dues to support the worker’s strike fund at the target company. The target company would readily capitulate and the others would follow suit as they knew the same tactic would be applied to them if they did not.

Could the reason they're being attacked and not others have anything to do with such businesses as McDonald's, Wal-Mart and other companies who once supported ALEC are now pulling their support after their support for the SYG law and the tragic death of the Florida child (Thats some funny sh!t right there) at the overzealous hands of a **gun toting maniac? (You mean the victim of a criminal life-threatening assault from a “Thug”?)

I'll say it again, because there's something really stinky going on here, Americans are so naïve. Not only what goes on in countries and why, but they don't even have a clue what's taking place and why in their own country. They just jump into the mess without first re-searching the facts.

I’ll have to say I do “enjoy” your research but even more your comprehension of same.

December 7, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
workinjay said...

Hambone said, "Most of the posts so far today can be categorized as "I'VE GOT MINE, SCREW YOU"."

EXACTLY

I'm responsible for myself and my family. If I can make it, then so can anyone else. If your not making it, then screw you because it's your fault.

My first job was at Mcdonalds. Was there 3 and a half years. It was a good company and great first job. However, it wasn't what I wanted for a career. If you want it as your career, or are in a place where unfortunately it has to be your career, then bust your butt and move up with the company. If the minimum wage in the mean time isn't enough, then when your finished your shift, then go to your second job at Wendy's. People think they should be able to work 40 hours a week as a cashier and be able to buy a house. Most of the time, making a decent living is going to require much more than 40 hours a week. A lot of people want something for nothing. Get out there and work harder than the person next to you and obtain a skill set that actually makes you marketable and you will never have to worry about minimum wage. And to the ones making minimum wage, if you don't like it then do something about it other than complaining.

December 7, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

"Wal-Mart’s stock price has nearly doubled in the last three years ... but you knew that ... Right?"

Oh really? Where did you get those figures? On December 10, 2010, Wal-Mart's stock price was 54.28. Today it is at 79.94. If during the same time, one spent 16.97 more for a share of Costco stock, that stock would be worth 42.12 more than a share of Wal-Mart.

Well I can see that you are a savvy investor and that you saw right away that Wal-Mart was a loser stock. Who would want to go from the mid $40 at about three years ago and it increase to near $80 now?

You da man alright!!

December 7, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Do you have problems reading numbers? It was at mid $50 three years ago. And I never said it was a "loser stock", it's just not a "great investment" as Maximus proclaimed (and I strongly doubt if he owns any shares).

December 7, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

charivara said...

After WWII the US supported progressive taxation, banking regulation, labor legislation, and investments in education, infrastructure, health care and R&D. Yet despite all these liberal efforts to undermine true American values a prosperous middle class, against all logic, emerged.

No! ... Fortunately or unfortunately, according to where you stood on Earth, for a couple of decades we were able to exploit the fact that we had the only first world manufacturing base left intact. We were able to dominate the rest of the world into accepting whatever we produced. As we became fat and lazy the rest of the world just blew by us. All that the Fleabagger efforts accomplished was to weaken our resolve to be economically and militarily dominate. We ate the seed corn.

December 7, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Who has a stronger military than the US JT?

December 7, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

Who has a stronger military than the US JT?

Who said there was one? Even though there has been a couple of military build ups over the last 4 decades the net public support to maintain a global military power has waned. We are presently in the beginnings of a serious defense retrenchment.

December 7, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Al our worst healthcare system in the world seems to be taking care of you pretty well."

No argument with that.

"As you know amputation is common in diabetic hypertensives suffering from kidney disease."

My diabetes has been well under control for more than three years. What happened to me had nothing to do with my diabetes. I have had excellent circulation in my extremeties. My gangrene, according to the doctors, was caused by a scratch in my skin and could happen to anyone at all.

"Obesity is a leading cause of diabetes and as Alprova can probably attest, diabetes will wreck your kidneys and put you in a dialysis unit during your not so golden retirement years."

And again, my kidneys were not destroyed by my weight or my diabetes. My kidneys were destroyed by mega-doses of a drug, the effects of which were not monitored correctly for more than a year.

"If you have a gut, make a personal commitment to get rid of it."

Already done. I dropped more than 135 pounds and still have a little to go. All my labs are where they need to be and my kidneys, altough depleted, are still hovering at stage 4, and are still functioning.

There is no question that I am responsible for my being diabetic, but I have done EVERYTHING my doctors have asked me to do, in order to triumph over the disease, but I will eventually will need dialysis...eventually.

I will also walk again, in time, with the aid of a prosthetic leg.

December 7, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

charivara said...

I’m sure the Waltons who, through their personal hard work alone, (more logic) control greater wealth than over 100 million Americans at the bottom of the wealth scale combined, are grateful for their support. Makes it easier for them to steal even more.

So the wealth, they have now, already existed, was a part of the nations GDP, was owned by someone else, and the Waltons held a gun on them to transfer it to their ownership? They created no new wealth that added to the nations GDP?

For instance, you really can show us how the State had nothing to do with the wealth of the Waltons? They earned it all by themselves? You can do that? Really? Had nothing to do with favorable tax laws, favorable regulatory rules, favorable court decisions? Really? Then do it or shut up.

Government is a mechanism that people create, in common agreement, to protect their civil and property rights. Taxes and regulations are the costs we pay for maintaining that mechanism. It creates no wealth but only consumes the wealth of producers to provide them a contracted service only.

December 7, 2013 at 8:46 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, As I told my mother in law when she was upset over her prayers not being answered when her daughter was dying, " Your prayer was answered, just not what you wanted." Your prayer was answered for the better, Your life on earth is not finished."

Since the night after my leg was amputated, I have become very aware of that undeniable fact. I'm so glad that God didn't honor my request, even though at the time, I was very much in distress. It seems rather silly today, for my future is very much bright and I'm determined to recover from this.

"Praying for you Al."

Thank you very much Ma'am. You're good people, even when we disagree and you could strangle me.

December 7, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
GameOn said...

McDonald's corporate owns very few stores. Most stores are independently owned and these folks are not making tons of money. $15 per hour would probably put them out of business resulting in corporate ownership of their stores.

December 7, 2013 at 10:12 p.m.
yddem said...

There's at least one reason jt,etc is not called mathboy, as multiplying 54 by 2 is 108, not 80 - duh. And WalMart is a pretty good investment, but it hit 40 about 6 years ago, not 3 as he and maxi claimed.

December 7, 2013 at 10:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

There's at least one reason jt,etc is not called mathboy, as multiplying 54 by 2 is 108, not 80 - duh. And WalMart is a pretty good investment, but it hit 40 about 6 years ago, not 3 as he and maxi claimed.

Actually it was last at exactly 40 in Nov. 1998; about 15 years ago and in mid 2010 after the recession it was in the mid 40’s. However precision is what you guys are all about ... Right. So the original deal was if Wal-Mart was a “great” investment in a financial sense. Would buying it’s stock “about” three years ago qualify as anywhere near a great investment? About a 70% increase in 3 years ... of course that wouldn’t meet your “nit-picking” needs ... would it?

BTW .... I really F'ed up bad by generalizing the gain as double ... didn't I? I'll go to my death with that shame for sure.

December 7, 2013 at 11:39 p.m.
Maximus said...

Charivara the Mexican.... My Mama did teach me manners and sound judgement. My judgement of your some people are just lucky mantra is that you are using an Obamaphone, EBT cards, and you are on per ahold with the Obamacare help line. Barry The Welfare Pimp is the biggest joke inAmerican history.

And Alprova, your diabetic nephropathy makes you more susceptible to gangrene. For a healthy person with healthy blood vessels and immune system a scratch is very unlikely to cause gangrene. Take care of yourself and follow your doctors orders to a tee. In your condition, any infection can lead to a very tough to treat pneumonia and you definitely want to stay away from that bug.

And Gaus it depends on when you bought your McDonalds and Wal Mart stock. I've owned both for years and have benefited from many dividends and stock splits. Both are like Coca cola, fine long term investments. What I'm really happy about are my pharmaceutical stocks......WOW! Christmas came early this year.....thanks Obama! Congratulations to Auburn SEC Champs! As for Ohio State....I love it when Democrat Blue State teams lose.....Michigan State 34 Ohio State 24. I know, Michigan State is a blue state team too but Ohio State fans are obnoxious!

December 7, 2013 at 11:47 p.m.
yddem said...

That's right, junktrash, just make it up as you go along, as "you guys" always do.

"Generalizing" at about double? What a FKNG maroon! Just keep making it worse.

And no, numbnutz, a 70% gain would have it at about 92. You are math challenged, at least.

And BTW, I doubt your lack of basic math skills, not to say logic, is the least of your worries "going to your death." You have a plan for that?

December 8, 2013 at 12:14 a.m.
yddem said...

Okay, girls (you know who I'm talking to), Clay's new cartoon has been posted. Time for you to start trashing him for that one. Few of you comprehend that one of the purposes of an editorial cartoon is to have folks think about it. Ideally, of course, genuine critical thinking and expression would result. Oh, well. Bring it on.

December 8, 2013 at 12:21 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

You know at about a little after midnight I heard something pop. It sounded just like a Fleabagger skull imploding from excess vacuum.

December 8, 2013 at 1:41 a.m.
yddem said...

no substance, just junk, trash, as expected.

December 8, 2013 at 8:40 a.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Maximus do you use words like pimp when you talk to your momma and daughter? Keep it classy.

December 8, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
chet123 said...

JT6GR3HM....QUOTE MIKE FLYNN A RIGHT-WING NUT WHO ALSO SAID OBAMA WOULD LOOSED THE ELECTION TO ROMNEY........

DO THE RIGHT-WING THINK THE MAJORITY PEOPLE IN AMERICA SUPPORT SLAVE WAGES......HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

CANT THEY SEE PEOPLE DONT WANT TO BE ON WELFARE AND FOOD STAMP....NOW I KNOW WHY THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE GOP(GREEDY OLD PEOPLE)

December 13, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
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