published Wednesday, February 20th, 2013

The Right Response: Thoughts on endorsements, Boy Scouts and the King James Bible

Free Press editorial page editor Drew Johnson regularly replies to emails, letters to the editor and online comments in "The Right Response" column.

Roger Tuder seems like exactly the kind of low-tax, pro-business conservative that the Free Press editorial page should endorse. I'm very upset that you endorsed Priscilla Simmons over him for District 2 City Council.

Free Press endorsements are made almost exclusively based on how each candidate responds to a series of questions in our endorsement interviews. During the course of her interview, Priscilla Simmons outlined a number of ways to reduce wasteful spending and trim the city budget. As a result, if elected, I believe Simmons will serve as a much-needed watchdog of tax dollars on the council. That makes her worthy of the endorsement.

That's not to say that Roger Tuder doesn't deserve to be elected. His personal business history, firm stance against tax increases and desire to eliminate burdensome regulations make him an outstanding candidate.

The hardest part of writing endorsements -- maybe the single toughest part about running an editorial page -- is choosing between principled, quality candidates when they are running for the same position. Deciding whether to endorse Roger Tuder or Priscilla Simmons in District 2 was a very difficult choice. As was selecting Chip Henderson over Jim Folkner in Disctrict 1. Henderson and Folkner may be the two best candidates out of everyone running for city council. It's too bad that they're running for the same seat.

One other candidate for city council who sticks out as particularly worthy of an endorsement -- even though the Free Press endorsed Larry Grohn -- is District 4 candidate Ryan King. I'd love to see King's name on the ballot in the future if he doesn't win his bid for council.

During our candidate interviews, it became clear that there are more good people running for city council than there are seats to fill. That speaks well for the future of Chattanooga city government.


In the Free Press' District 7 endorsement of Chris Anderson, you only mentioned Anderson and incumbent Manny Rico. Where was the love for Tramble Stevens and Karl Epperson? Did you not realize they were running?

Tramble Stevens failed to show up to his endorsement interview and Karl Epperson did not respond to our efforts to meet with him. In fact, they were the only two candidates out of the 28 men and women running for city office on the March 5 ballot who did not make themselves available for an endorsement interview. As a result, we were unable to seriously consider them for endorsement -- especially when their opponents, Manny Rico and Chris Anderson, both met with the Times Free Press editorial pages and spoke with us at length.

Space constraints prevented us from mentioning several other candidates, including conservative mayoral hopeful Chester Heathington and several candidates in the crowded District 4 race to unseat Jack Benson, including Ryan King, Tom Tomisek and Scott McColpin (all of whom, in our view, would make better councilmembers than the incubent).

The omission of their names was not intended as a snub. It's just a fact of life that not everything we write fits on the page.


It's not right for the Free Press to say that the Boy Scouts should allow homosexuals to be Scouts and Scout leaders. Having gay Scout leaders will mean that boys will be raped and molested.

Confusing gay men for child molesters and pedophiles is offensive, inappropriate and scientifically unfounded. The outdated notion that gay people are more likely to molest children than the general population has been debunked by numerous scholarly studies. The American Psychological Association makes it clear that "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are."

Assuming that homosexuals and pedophiles are one and the same displays a sort of bigotry that has no place in today's society.


Why was former East Ridge city manager Tim Gobble allowed to respond to the Free Press editorial that outlined his controversial tenure?

In regular Times Free Press news stories, the subjects of an article are always asked to tell their side of the story. In instances when we don't interview the subject of a Free Press editorial and the editorial exposes facts that have not appeared elsewhere in the paper, we feel it's appropriate to allow them the opportunity to respond, if they'd like.

In the case of Gobble, who reached a settlement to leave his position as East Ridge city manager days after an editorial outlining his questionable expenditures and controversial hiring practices appeared in the Free Press, he wanted to defend himself.

A response shouldn't be taken as a correction. We stand behind the facts illuminated by our editorials, unless otherwise noted. It is only fair, however, to allow people whose performance or conduct is in question to respond.


Why did you stop using the King James translation of the Bible verses in the "Bible Wisdom" part of the Free Press page? Other versions are just peoples' opinion.

It's always intrigued me that people believe there is a right and a wrong translation of the English Bible. After all, the book began as oral tradition -- stories told, refined and spread by ordinary folks. Then, after it was written down, it was translated dozens of times by hundreds of people in at least three languages over the course of 1,200 years before it was ever even written in English.

Realistically, if one translation of a Bible verse makes it easier for more people to read and understand than another, we reserve the right to use it.

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

It's not right for the Free Press to say that the Boy Scouts should allow homosexuals to be Scouts and Scout leaders. Having gay Scout leaders will mean that boys will be raped and molested.

Dear Mr. Johnson, the above comment is 100% Correct. You have entirely missed the point, the underlying meaning of the above factual statement. The statement is semantically and analytically correct. Absolutely!

What occurs is that the probability of/odds of/percentage of chances of one our Children Scout Toddlers acquiring a possibly deadly infectious disease skyrockets. It has already happened. Please just take a look at the Boy Scouts of America 'Perversion Files'. These, like the Catholic Priest Dilemma, are only the proverbial 'Tip of the Iceberg'.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/boy-scout-perversion-files-released/2012/10/18/62c7a6ec-1940-11e2-b97b-3ae53cdeaf69_story.html

The argument is not whether heterosexual and homosexuals molest Toddlers/Scouts. The fact is that ('per-capita') the incidence of GUT PARASITES, HIV/AIDS and a host of other spore-like opportunistic infections are overwhelmingly greater (Per-Capita) among the homosexual population.

In this case, 'one bad apple does spoil the whole bunch. Please look a little closer. Think, and then, Think again!

Ken ORR

February 20, 2013 at 5:39 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

There seems to be wisdom in commenting from a previous post that will soon 'expire' to the 'View More' section. So, here goes:

Now that absolute medical/scientific facts/statistics have been provided to loving/caring parents please express your comments/opinions about this 'Gay/Homosexual Agenda Manifesto' directed toward Your Toddlers, etc.:

..................HOMOSEXUAL MANIFESTO .....................

..............AN ESSAY ON THE HOMOSEXUAL REVOLUTION............... by: Michael Swift

Reference. This essay was printed in the February 15, 1987 issue of the homosexual newspaper Gay Community News by Michael Swift, and was reprinted in the February 15-21 1987 Congressional Record.

"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of you shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all-male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep.

Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too and only man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand with depth and feeling the mind and body of another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men...."

http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/02-102/02-102.mer.ami.lc.pdf

[Above reference pages 18, 19 & 20]

http://item.liveleak.com/2/view?i=5a5_1256854762

http://www.restoringamerica.org/sexual_revolution.htm

"IN BOY SCOUT, GIRL SCOUT, CUB SCOUT, BROWNIES CAMP GROUNDS AT NIGHT"

N.A.M.B.L.A.,,,[NATIONAL MAN-BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION] Reference. This essay was printed in the February 15, 1987 issue of the homosexual newspaper Gay Community News by Michael Swift, and was reprinted in the February 15-21 1987 Congressional Recor

February 20, 2013 at 6:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Flagged. TFP editors, please ban this sick individual and his disgusting posts. We, the other posters on this forum, have pointed out his lies over and over, with no result.

February 20, 2013 at 7:14 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Oh my!.. what a filthy imagination you have Ken.. and so proud of too..

February 20, 2013 at 7:37 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Chattanooga Times Free Press Editors: I have responded to those who Censor, or who would attempt to commit Censorship. The following is the communique I deliverd:

February 20, 2013 at 5:46 a.m...

ORRMEANSLIGHT said... WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! I have only presented solid, verifiable, scientific and Christian Facts. What I have written is indeed semantically and analytically correct. I have utilized proper citing and references from scientific institutions such as The Center for Disease Control (CDC) and John Hopkins University Medical Center, and others.

I have cited and referenced other National Top Ten Newspapers such as is the Chattanooga Times Free Press. I have utilized some of the greatest Journalistic Factual Research available through these Newspapers. I have utilized word-for-word, verbatim content so that I would place no 'spin' of my own there.

So Go Cry In Your Own Communistic, Marxist, Socialistic, First Amendment 'Free Speech Desecrating' Cat's Milk, and Leave Me Alone to Post Facts of My Free Speech First Amendment to The United States Constitution Rights as a Citizen in Good Standing of Our Nation!

Ken ORR

February 20, 2013 at 7:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Get off the computer and get help, Ken Orr.

February 20, 2013 at 7:40 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Uh-oh, watch out errebody, he's looking to poke someone in the eye with one of those high-dollar "christian facts"... it's probably been tipped with a "gut parasite" or something, so avoid him at all costs.

February 20, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

dao1980, You may, or may not believe me. Yet, I will state/affirm (within my Christian walk/stance) that I believe you to be one of the most genuine of all posters on this site. I think you have a true analytical sense of reality. You are mentally and emotionally sound. So, I am asking you to 'not' join in with those less capable than yourself. What you possess was given you, and you only capitalized upon those gifts...so, no room to be arrogant/brag. Just my humble opinion. kwo

P.S. i know i am one of those 'less capable' than you, yet I am as truthful as I know how to be. I fear YHWH. kwo

February 20, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I do not believe you, for in fact, you most often sound like a crooked used-boat salesman pitching a sinker to anyone who'll stop and listen. You are the most dishonest (well, you and Connie) poster I've read.

I'll offer this advice, something you may recognize: Proverbs 4:23-24, Be careful what you think, because your thoughts run your life. Don't use your mouth to tell lies; don't ever say (in this case "write") things that are not true.

February 20, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

My prayer is that Jesus Christ, through His Holy Spirit, will indeed quicken to your spirit, dao1980, that i am telling you the truth. I believe you will know this for a certainty. kwo

February 20, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Proverbs 4:23-24: As offered by dao1980,

King James Version (KJV)

23 "Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee."

The words of a servant of The Lord Jesus Christ, our Thrice Holy God, God The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. King Soloman, as most humans, sometimes did not use his own known wisdom.

Ken ORR

February 20, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

No, we have shown again and again that you are wrong, Ken Orr. The first time it was a mistake. After that it is lying. What would Jesus think? Concern yourself with your own issues and stop trying to equate being gay with being a child molester (and a Typhoid Mary of a host of anal issues that you seem so fixated on)

February 20, 2013 at 8:22 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Still selling something you don't own.

You are quite obviously not telling the truth in anything that you offer.

You are existing in absolute contradiction with everything contained in those verses.

This is in open view for all to see from their own perspectives.

I am no great mind to observe and suggest this plain and clearly evident reality to you.

February 20, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Please, lkeithlu, put in print one of those purported lies and i will publicly recant. I will apologize and give the corrected version. This is my public promise and committment to You.

Ken ORR

February 20, 2013 at 8:38 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Every time you post, you post statistics that are unrelated to the issue and then conclude that gays are child molesters and everyone's children are at risk. Whether the statistics themselves are correct or not (although Easy has pointed out some of your "facts" as derived from Conservapedia, are incorrect) is not the issue. It is the claims you make using them that is wrong. No less than my saying the sky is blue (it is) therefore Jesus loves us (irrelevant), except that I am not trying to demonize innocent people with my irrelevant conclusions like you are.

Surely you are not stupid. But you seem unable to get past your own psychopathologies to hear what people are saying to you.

February 20, 2013 at 8:43 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

dao1980, I did not say you were a 'great mind'. What i said was;

ORRMEANSLIGHT said... dao1980, You may, or may not believe me. Yet, I will state/affirm (within my Christian walk/stance) that I believe you to be one of the most genuine of all posters on this site. I think you have a true analytical sense of reality. You are mentally and emotionally sound. So, I am asking you to 'not' join in with those less capable than yourself. What you possess was given you, and you only capitalized upon those gifts...so, no room to be arrogant/brag. Just my humble opinion. kwo

P.S. i know i am one of those 'less capable' than you, yet I am as truthful as I know how to be. I fear YHWH. kwo

Capiche?

February 20, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu said...

Flagged. TFP editors, please ban this sick individual and his disgusting posts. We, the other posters on this forum, have pointed out his lies over and over, with no result. February 20, 2013 at 7:14 a.m.

========================

You constantly charge others with lying when they tell the truth.

ORR pastes what a disgusting vile sexual pervert had written and you call him a liar. The words were from a disgusting homosexual whom you obviously agree with, yet you want to ban ORR from posting what this sexual pervert wrote.

You recognize that what Michael Swift wrote is disgusting and it most certainly is but you want to fault ORR for posting it.

As noted by ORR this disgusting piece is in the Congressional record, have you asked your Congressman to remove it? If not why?

And why don't you fault Michael Swift for writing it instead of ORR for bringing to light what the disgusting homosexual wrote?

Even you Ikeithlu, an atheist and self described "proud heathen" used the word DISGUSTING.

ORR was not the author of the disgusting piece, Michael Swift, a man who practices the disgusting and abominable behavior of homosexuality was the author of the disgusting piece.

Try reading before you lash out.

February 20, 2013 at 9 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, read before YOU lash out. I am not taking issue with his "facts", real or imagined. I am taking issue with him using these "facts" to imply that all gays are child molesters. Practice what you preach for once.

But of course, since you agree with him, it doesn't matter what I or anybody else says.

February 20, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Capiche yourself Kenneth. Hey! Here's Conny! He can help you capiche yourself till you're both tired and satisfied.

You two are excessively interested in the sex-lives of consenting adults, and seem to know so much about being gay...

What's really scary though, and should be monitored, is your and Conny's inability to differentiate acts between consenting adults from acts perpetrated upon children... hhmmm should you two be allowed out and un-monitored??

February 20, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
conservative said...

"I am taking issue with him using these "facts" to imply that all gays are child molesters."

That is what you inferred. "All" is your word.

I would and I certainly hope that all parents would be opposed to known homosexuals having any contact or influence over their children.

February 20, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
dao1980 said...

haha, I bet Conny sensed that someone had quoted a bible verse here on the TFP site and jumped out of bed, rushed to his computer mumbling "not without me, not without me!".

What a perfect little community of bible abusers we have here. I can imagine the scene perfectly: Kenneth plays in his number-two, while Conny reads him only the most perfectly cherry picked verses to avoid any "outside the designated box" style thinking.. and where's ol' AndyLohr to wharble them on to rapture?? I'm sure he'll stop by soon.. what sweethearts they all are, with the love of Jesus emanating so warmly from their little coven.

February 20, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
Leaf said...

I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that Orr knows a lot about buggery. He really gives off a molesty vibe.

February 20, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
Easy123 said...

I encourage everyone to flag Ken Orr when he posts his libelous, homophobic lies.

February 20, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
raygunz said...

Ike,it seems that TFP has no moderator(s),nor any interest in same.

February 20, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I thought this was pretty funny, and it reminded me of Ken, Conny, and Andy.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/eastereggs.html

February 20, 2013 at 3:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

OMG that page is a scream!

February 20, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I want to thank our Lord Jesus Christ for all of my Christian Brother's and Sister's support.

Finally, now I will try to balance out some of the bad news about AIDS with some more 'uplifting news'.

Even 'if' a Boy or Girl Scout, Cub, etc. did get molested by one of the influx of increased homosexual individuals due to a lift of the ban, (I state 'homosexual' only because many have reported their involvement in the kind of sex from the back), even if that person transmitted the HIV/AIDS Virus (or, Gut Parasites)...there is now greater hope for treatment of said Child. Please continue reading below:

"There are numerous bacterial infections that occur more frequently and with a more virulent pattern in HIV patients. These include Salmonella, Shigella, Campylobacter jejuni, and, in the age of HIV prophylaxis and widespread use of antibiotics, Clostridium difficile. In fact, C difficile–associated diarrhea now ranks as the most common bacterial infection observed in HIV patients with diarrhea.61 However, in the realm of GI OIs, mycobacterial diseases, specifically Mycobacterium avium complex (MAC) and Mycobacterium tuberculosis (TB), have a predominant role. An HIV-infected patient with GI MAC usually has disseminated disease, a very low CD4+ T-cell count, and a limited survival time. With the introduction of HAART as well as prophylaxis, the incidence and prevalence of disseminated MAC has decreased. Over the years, MAC treatment has evolved into a multidrug course of antibiotics with a prolonged, and at times indefinite, period of therapy. Initial, first-line treatment for MAC consists of 2 antibiotics: clarithromycin and ethambutol. Each agent alone has high rates of drug resistance, whereas a combination of the 2 results in complete microbiologic response, lower relapse rates, improved clinical symptoms, and overall better survival.63, 64 The addition of a third agent, rifabutin, has shown increased survival times, with the added benefit of less resistance and also can be added to the earlier-described treatment armamentarium.65 Lastly, the 2008 National Institutes of Health/Centers for Disease Control/HIV Medicine Association of the Infectious Diseases Society of America guidelines recommend the addition of either injectable amikacin or streptomycin to therapy for patients at high risk of death from MAC, which include patients with CD4+ T-cell counts of 50 cells/μL or less, high mycobacterial loads, or in the absence of HAART.37 Unfortunately, MAC treatment is lifelong or until immune function has improved with HAART."

Reference: American Gerontological Association

Ken's Note: For what ever reason, Jesus Christ is showing strong mercy with these improved treatments. Especially HAART. kwo

February 20, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I do hope that for all my critics, you now see that i am trying to give our Children as well as adults more hope even though engaged in the homosexual lifestyle. (I do continue to believe it to be very dangerous to us all) i should not appear as if I encourage choosing this behavior. kwo

February 20, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

"(I state 'homosexual' only because many have reported their involvement in the kind of sex from the back)"

You state "homosexual" because you're a moron and a liar. Heterosexual men and women have sex from that back and have anal sex. The correct word is "pedophile".

"I do hope that for all my critics, you now see that i am trying to give our Children as well as adults more hope even though engaged in the homosexual lifestyle."

Homosexuality is not a lifestyle. It is a sexual orientation. You aren't trying to give anyone hope. You're a liar and you come here to deceive others and spread your ignorance.

"(I do continue to believe it to be very dangerous to us all)"

Homosexuality is dangerous to no one else. If the proper protective steps are taken, homosexual men can engage with safe sex with each other. Homosexual women don't even have to really worry about it. Again, you're ignorant and a liar.

"i should not appear as if I encourage choosing this behavior."

I believe you to be a closet homosexual, Ken Orr. I would equate you to Ted Haggard. I believe you fight your homosexual urges by bashing homosexuals. I believe you bring up all these HIV/AIDS, gut parasites, etc. links because you are ashamed of yourself for how you really feel and you are ashamed of what happened to you when you were a child. You have to repeat the "dangers" of homosexuality to keep you from acting on your urges. You likely had or currently have an STD related to such actions. You act as if you still have a heart for homosexuals because you cannot fully commit to the idea of bashing yourself. That's where your schizotypal personality disorder comes in.

I'm sure you'll never come out because of your religion but you really should. I'm sure it is very difficult for you to live your life. That's probably the reason you come here; to vent and find release. You should really seek help.

February 20, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

That is pretty rich investigation into one's psyche Easy, I've got to give you proper respects there! Anyone who 'truly' knows me also knows that I have a profound, genuine, healthy love for others, sometimes to my own hurt socially, financially, etc., yet still healthy because my Friends are loyal and true to a totally beautiful degree. Indeed, I have been blessed with a multitude of Friends in many countries of this world. I have done Missionary work for decades and currently am on the team of REWA Theological Seminary. We help spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to Hindus and Muslims of Northern India. I have been a Church Youth Leader, Sunday School Teacher, Baptized those professing Jesus Christ as their Lord, God & Saviour, Evangelist to several states (U.S.A), Cub Scout Leader and world-wide contributor of food and life giving services to the poor. If you would like to invest the time you may wish to translate this article from Malayalam-to-English: I'm the tallest one in the picture, so You will have no problem knowing which is me +(:>&

Oh, by the way, this particular newspaper only has a 26,000,000 {twenty-six million} person readership, so, it's really no big deal that I'm presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ there. They will also be receiving my Christian Children's Book that is registered in the Congressional Library, Independence Ave., Washington, D.C. (Hey, i'm only trying to bless the little children).

http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/malayalamContentView.do?contentId=13466055&programId=1074209519&channelId=-1073753625&BV_ID=@@@&tabId=11

Well, Easy, You're quite an 'awesome' reader of personalities.

Ken ORR

February 21, 2013 at 12:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Well, Easy, You're quite an 'awesome' reader of personalities."

I know. That's why you're deflecting and moving the goalposts. Everything you just said would actually coincide with my characterization of you considering I likened you to Ted Haggard. You two have led very similar lives.

I believe you to be a closet homosexual, Ken Orr. I would equate you to Ted Haggard. I believe you fight your homosexual urges by bashing homosexuals. I believe you bring up all these HIV/AIDS, gut parasites, etc. links/statistics because you are ashamed of yourself for how you really feel and you are ashamed of what happened to you when you were a child. You have to repeat the "dangers" of homosexuality to keep yourself from acting on your urges and to remind yourself of the potential consequences. You likely had or currently have an STD related to such actions. You act as if you still have a heart for homosexuals because you cannot fully commit to the idea of bashing/condemning yourself. That's where your schizotypal personality disorder and narcissism comes in, but I've already made it clear that you meet the criteria for that disorder simply from reading the words you type. I'm sure you would meet the criteria for several more if you were properly evaluated.

I'm sure you'll never come out of the closet because of your religion but you really should. I'm sure it is very difficult for you to live your life in constant internal conflict. That's probably the reason you come here; to vent and find release. You should really seek help.

February 21, 2013 at 12:48 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

No Easy, I totally agree with Jesus Christ of Nazareth regarding the chosen behavior of homosexuality. Also, like Jesus Christ, our Lord God of Hosts, I love any person who is in bondage to the homosexual lifestyle with the love of our Thrice Holy YHWH . I have no animosity toward them, I just want them free. Only He who said, "I AM The Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last", only He who said, "I AM The Way, The Truth and The Life", only He can Judge anyone who is in bondage to homosexuality according to the Holy Bible, the inerrant Word of God. I have no argument with You Easy. I extend to You the Love of Emmanuel. Please confess Your sins before Jesus Christ who suffered, shed great drops of blood upon Calvary's cruel Cross, died and arose from the dead for You. He loves You even as You assert Yourself as His enemy. Please, Easy, ask Jesus Christ to become Your Saviour before it is eternally TOO LATE! for You. We all must face Jesus Christ one day. Let us not face Him with shame.

Ken ORR

February 21, 2013 at 1:20 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

Stop deflecting, Ken. Jesus never mentioned a word about homosexuality in the Bible.

I encourage you to stop living the lie. Break those chains of bondage. I urge you to free yourself. Come out of the closet for your own sake. Seek help. You'll be a better man for it. Your homosexuality is very natural. Embrace it. Embrace your true self. There is no reason to be ashamed of yourself anymore. It's time to end the charade.

Ignore your religious dogma for once and accept the the truth of who you really are. Seek help, Ken. It is obvious that you are a very conflicted person. Come out of the closet, Ken. Stop bashing and condemning yourself and your gay brothers and sisters. Do it for your own good. End the lies.

February 21, 2013 at 6:18 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Gays (male or female) if left alone to be who they are and love who they will (not just physically, although you seem to be fixated on the sex part) are not in bondage. A closeted gay person, who comes to the realization that they love someone their own gender (often at the tender age of 12 or so) and knows they must either deny this part of them or lose their family, community and church, are the ones that truly suffer. You take it that horrible step further, and declare them to be child molesters, implying that they victimize innocent others. That is why I continue to flag your comments. Standing up to your lies is the only thing I can do-you will not see reason, clouded by your past and possibly your own sexual conflict, and condemned by the very church you rigorously defend. I feel sorry for you but have chosen innocent gay men and women, many of whom are friends and relatives, over you.

February 21, 2013 at 8 a.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

"Gays (male or female) if left alone to be who they are and love who they will (not just physically, although you seem to be fixated on the sex part) are not in bondage."

Oh, but they (homosexuals) most assuredly are in bondage :

"Jesus answered them, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, Whoever commits and practices sin is the slave of sin." John 8:34

Homosexuality is a most serious sin, in fact God calls it an abomination. No homosexual not even one will inherit the Kingdom of God:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Corinthians 6 :9-10

February 21, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry, conservative. Your bible is NOT a source of wisdom. I think alprova demonstrated that quite nicely. YOU on the other hand are certainly in bondage, even if it is voluntary. Just don't try to put those shackles on the rest of us, okay?

February 21, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Well said, Ikeithlu.

February 21, 2013 at 7:54 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

That's gracious, Easy, but it may result in another obsessive rant by connie. (sigh)

February 21, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

Thank you for your candid opinion. Do you have any other source of wisdom other than alprova?

I am thankful that you recognize that I am in bondage to Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior. That is a big step for you. There is still hope for you.

February 21, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

It is not a revelation for me, con. Just be aware that I have no desire to join you in your bondage. As far as wisdom, yes. But the sources are not the bible, so you would not be interested.

February 21, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Only Christians are proud of their chains. They embrace the totalitarianism of their god. It's truly a mental disorder. They are told they were created sick and must be made well or suffer eternal torture. And they accept these unfounded, psychotic notions without question.

Thankfully, I found my way out of the mental vise grip that is Christianity. Conservative and Ken Orr are too far gone to ever think logically or reasonably.

February 21, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Psalm 119:105

"Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."

Hebrews 4:12

"For The Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

Ken ORR

February 22, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

See, Ken Orr? Stick with bible verses and no one will flag your posts. You can't go wrong.

Of course, we'll ignore you anyway.

February 22, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.
jtthomas16 said...

Easy, Ike, though I wholeheartedly agree with your positions, being in the supposed "chains", myself, but let's keep in mind that the views and values this deranged individuals are spouting off is in no way Christian. It's "Christian". Christ was about love, and there are a great many number of gay Christians, myself being amongst them, who seek out God and are of the Christian faith, but they not the form of "Christianity" demonstrated by comments on this thread. Conservatives seek to excise scripture that supports their already held beliefs and ignore those that they find inconvenient. One must take the scriptures in their entirety, but also realize the conditions under which they were written and the intended audience. The Torah is sacred, yes, but more than that, it is a guide book for a group semi-nomadic, destert-dwelling people, for whom the issue of life and death were a daily concern. Per the tale of Sodom and Gamorah where Lot attemps to offer his daughter up in exchange for the safety of the angels and Lot explains his reasoning for this, “Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. Don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof”(19:8). This is another example of the Torah as a "guidebook", because to deny hospitality to any visitor almost certainly meant their death from exposre. The cleanliness rituals and regulations were there to keep the ALIVE. "In fact, the first use of the term "homosexuals" in an English Bible did not come until 1946, with the publication of the Revised Standard Version of the New Testament."

http://www.hrmcc.org/Resources/StudyDocuments/bibleand.htm

February 25, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.
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