published Friday, January 18th, 2013

The NRA's creepy response


This frame grab image shows a scene from video released by the National Rifle Association.
This frame grab image shows a scene from video released by the National Rifle Association.
Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

President Obama had barely finished outlining his brave embrace Wednesday of a politically fraught uphill battle for comprehensive reform of gun-control laws before the National Rifle Association hurled back its callous, repugnant response. The difference in the messages -- the former a rational attempt to rein in gun-related crimes, the latter a harsh personal attack that mocked the president and crassly interjected his young daughters into the political fray -- hardly could be more telling.

Recalling the massacre of 20 young children and six educators in Connecticut that prompted his pledge to attempt reform of the nation's lax gun laws, the president intoned his purpose:

"While there is no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence completely, no piece of legislation that will prevent every tragedy, every act of evil, if there is even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try."

The NRA's obtuse response went the other direction. It mocked the president as an "elitist hypocrite" who lavishes security on his young daughters, Malia, 14, and Sasha, 11.

"Are the president's kids more important than yours," a snarky voice demands. "Then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school." The ad continued: "Mr. Obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, but he is just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security."

How low can the NRA sink? Every president's children and spouse -- George W. Bush's, Bill Clinton's, Jimmy Carter's -- have been sheltered by the Secret Service for reasons Americans know all too well. Left unguarded, their lives would be endangered precisely because they are the president's family.

Obama's new gun-control agenda is selfless, helpful and should have been tackled years ago. The nation clearly needs a universal background check system to close a loophole that leaves 40 percent of gun sales -- Internet sales, and those between private sellers and buyers, typically at gunshows -- available to criminals, illegal gun traffickers and the mentally deranged.

He seeks to eliminate barriers that Congress, at the urging of the gun lobby, put in place to prevent creation of a comprehensive data base that local, state and national law enforcement agencies could use instantaneously to track gun inventories and registration records to investigate crimes and to restrain gun-running and illicit sales.

With school children standing beside him who had sent letters asking him to make their lives safer, Obama promised to pursue measures that would reduce massacres of students and citizens in public places. He also committed to an all-out effort with Congress to reinstate a national ban on sales of assault rifles, large-capacity clips, and armor-piercing bullets -- weapons so frequently used in mass shootings.

None of these goals will be easy to achieve, especially the ones that require acts of Congress, and defiance of an NRA whose leadership is focused on more guns, bigger clips and vigilante shoot-outs, never mind the slaughter of innocents trapped in the cross-fire. No wonder the NRA's ad was so hateful and crude. The NRA allows no room for reason, nor for a civil society -- nor for any leadership that crosses its gun-crazed path.





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conservative said...

I don't know much about the NRA. However, calling out Owebama as an "elitist hypocrite" concerning gun protection for other American school children sure gets my applause.

Many school districts around the country already have such programs.

It looks like it's going to be another fun day exposing the lies and hypocrisy of Liberals.

January 18, 2013 at 8:08 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

No surprise you approve of the ad. It's got lies in it.

January 18, 2013 at 8:10 a.m.
jesse said...

If the armed security was placed in this school because Obama,s kids attend there then the NRA is out of line!We have always protected the first family!(via secret service.)

How ever if the security has always been in place and he placed his kids there because of it then the NRA has a valid point!

Bottom line is this is a step that needs to be taken in all our schools regardless of cost!

January 18, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
conservative said...

NRA: 250,000 New Members In Month Since Newtown Shooting

The Huffington Post | By Nick Wing Posted: 01/15/2013 2:28 pm EST | Updated: 01/15/2013 2:47 pm EST

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/nra-members_n_2480621.html#slide=1899068

January 18, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Our culture has been hijacked by those who claim we all must have guns to protect ourselves (from what are mostly imaginary fears). I've lived in small towns and in big cities (Los Angeles, Nashville, and Washington, D.C.), and there has never been a situation that would have been improved by me having a gun.
The NRA claims that an “armed society is a polite society.” We’ve seen no evidence of that. What we have seen is highly-stressed (not just clinically mentally unstable) people using assault weapons to commit murder, bullies and racists acting as vigilantes, myriad domestic homicides and suicides that would not have happened without easy access to guns, and children who have killed or maimed themselves and playmates. Time to stop the madness.

January 18, 2013 at 8:40 a.m.
conservative said...

"How the NRA is winning" Posted by Chris Cillizza and Aaron Blake on January 18, 2013 at 6:30 am http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/18/how-the-nra-is-winning/?wprss=rss_campaigns

January 18, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The school that Obama's daughters attend does not have armed guards. That was a lie. The Secret Service guards the girls. That would be true no matter where they go to school (or where they go period).

January 18, 2013 at 8:47 a.m.
conservative said...

"there are at least two major reasons to think the NRA will emerge from the national debate on guns as a winner."

"1. The NRA is already in the midst of a membership boom, as the actions taken by Obama — and, in particular, his executive orders — convince people that the threat of the government seizing guns or limiting gun ownership is real and, because it is, a counter-weight to that government is needed. (To be clear: Obama has never said anything that would suggest confiscation of guns is a possibility.)"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/18/how-the-nra-is-winning/?wprss=rss_campaigns

January 18, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Guns sales have been booming since Obama was elected, for the same reasons that he has received more death threats than any other president: fear mongering by right wing nut cases based on lies and deceit, the man is African American (yes, for some this is about race) and the failure of the GOP to offer anything of substance to counter their extreme tea-party stance, giving many conservatives over to the wing-nut internet insanity. If conservatives would stop lying about what the president is doing, then maybe there could be an intelligent discussion about his policies. But the hysteria is so overblown no progress is being made.

Obama ain't perfect. But he is not the communist, socialist, fascist, muslim, atheist antichrist that the blogosphere is making him out to be.

January 18, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
Lr103 said...

moon4kat said... Our culture has been hijacked by those who claim we all must have guns to protect ourselves (from what are mostly imaginary fears). I've lived in small towns and in big cities (Los Angeles, Nashville, and Washington, D.C.), and there has never been a situation that would have been improved by me having a gun. The NRA claims that an “armed society is a polite society.” We’ve seen no evidence of that. What we have seen is highly-stressed (not just clinically mentally unstable) people using assault weapons to commit murder, bullies and racists acting as vigilantes, myriad domestic homicides and suicides that would not have happened without easy access to guns, and children who have killed or maimed themselves and playmates. Time to stop the madness

I think I've just fallen madly in love with moonkrat for his wisdom and foresight. If the NRA and its diehard followers actually believe an "armed society is a polite society" then why not arm every country with nuclear weapons? If what they say is true, surely such a move would make for a more polite, peaceful and powerful nations less eager to invade, occupy and start wars against lesser armed/defenseless nations.

January 18, 2013 at 9:28 a.m.
conservative said...

I looked at the NRA ad a few times and I believe I have accurately recorded these words from the ad:

"when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school"

Armed guards in the form of the Secret Service do in fact guard Owebama's children. That indeed is the truth. The ad just makes the point that "his kids are protected by armed guards at their school" and other schools should also have armed guards to protect America's other children.

This is in fact the case in many of the bigger cities where Liberals dominate the population.

January 18, 2013 at 10:24 a.m.
jesse said...

Conservitive!

IF the NRA had kept it's mouth shut w/ all that "it takes a good guy w/a gun" stuff then we would prob.have armed security in the schools next week! The min. they said that it was gonna be the last thing the left was gonna acknowledge!Obama is gonna get there but do it in a way that makes it look like it was his idea!

BTW: lr103, in order for M.A.D. to work all parties have to be at least semi- sane.NO Arab country in the mid-east is sane enough to have nukes!They all want to be mytrs to start with and would think they were doing Allah's work by wiping out the planet!That "armed society is a polite society dates back to feudal japan and the Samurai when every one packed a sword!

January 18, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.
jesse said...

Conservative!

IF the NRA had kept it's mouth shut w/ all that "it takes a good guy w/a gun" stuff then we would prob.have armed security in the schools next week! The min. they said that it was gonna be the last thing the left was gonna acknowledge!Obama is gonna get there but do it in a way that makes it look like it was his idea!

BTW: lr103, in order for M.A.D. to work all parties have to be at least semi- sane.NO Arab country in the mid-east is sane enough to have nukes!They all want to be mytrs to start with and would think they were doing Allah's work by wiping out the planet!That "armed society is a polite society" dates back to feudal japan and the Samurai when every one packed a sword!

January 18, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
Sailorman said...

Lr103

"why not arm every country with nuclear weapons? If what they say is true, surely such a move would make for a more polite, peaceful and powerful nations less eager to invade, occupy and start wars against lesser armed/defenseless nations."

Are you familiar with the cold war strategy known as "MAD"?

Nobody is advocating nuclear weapons, or M1 tanks, or F/18's or any other such foolishness. That straw man has been beaten to death. (Besides, tanks and fighters are available even to lowly civilians if you have the coin)

In fact, the only reasons I can see for the relentless stream of "gun" articles are to keep the post count climbing and give the media something contentious to promote.

Fact - According to Dept of Education - 28,300 schools already have armed guards.

Fact - White murder rate - 4.2/100,000 Black murder rate - 14.4/100,000 FBI statistics

Fact: There are over 20,000 laws already on the books regarding firearms and their use. Do we have an enforcement problem?

Fact: The first response of the media and politicians is to pass more laws taking away guns from people who don't, and statistically won't, commit crimes. Cuomo practically broke his neck trying to the "first with the most" draconian law possible.

How is making illegal a firearm that looks and functions exactly like another with the exception of a cosmetic difference going to be effective?

All I've heard is talk about banning guns with a bone thrown to the mental health issues and the violence issue, particularly among black youth. Led by the media, we get caught up in the "magazine capacity", and "what's an assault weapon" minutiae while ignoring reality. I would be in full support of Obama had his press conference announced a sweeping overhaul of our mental health regime and strict enforcement of our existing laws. Yes I know a few of his EO's talk about another study and a "national dialog"but the focus of their efforts is guns and gun violence. Why concentrate on "gun" violence?

That's like you coming to a car dealer with a faulty fuel pump and he says no problem let me change your tires.

Getting rid of guns entirely, if it were even possible, wouldn't make a dent in our violent crime problem. It hasn't anywhere else in the world and it won't here. I prefer to at least have the option of defending myself against violent criminals.

January 18, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
timbo said...

Sailorman.....I gave these same statistics two weeks ago. Liberals don't care. They are so mentally ill they will ignore logic and facts. They are so racist they ignore that the white murder rate per 100,000 is comparable to Europe and Japan. This is a cultural problem in the Black Community. To ignore these facts is racist in itself and makes it impossible to solve.

As far as creepy goes....have you ever met Harry Austin? It was creep for President Piss Ant to surround himself with children. I knew he was a sleaze ball but he set a knew low using kids

The NRA was spot on. The liberal elites use imbeciles like slEasy123, moonkat, etc. while they use weapons however they want. Protection for the rich and the rest of us can go to hell as far as Obama is concerned.

January 18, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

bimbo,

"They are so mentally ill they will ignore logic and facts."

You have yet to make a point in regard to those statistics. No fact or logic has been ignored. No one has denied your statistics. Maybe you're the mentally ill one considering how much you talk out of your ass.

"They are so racist they ignore that the white murder rate per 100,000 is comparable to Europe and Japan."

That might matter if there this country only consisted of white people.

"This is a cultural problem in the Black Community."

Or maybe it's just an education, nurture, environment problem in any race group that has a 27.4 % poverty rate and an 8% high school dropout rate.

"To ignore these facts is racist in itself and makes it impossible to solve."

Those facts mean very little in regard to the gun problem. Are you suggesting we make laws just for African-Americans? What are you suggesting with those statistics? You have yet to make a point in regard to them.

"The NRA was spot on."

You obviously don't have children or you would understand that they are off limits. "The liberal elites use imbeciles like slEasy123, moonkat, etc. while they use weapons however they want."

Which guns do "liberal elites" have access to that you don't have access to, King Imbecile?

"Protection for the rich and the rest of us can go to hell as far as Obama is concerned."

Better not demonize the rich. The anti-47% crowd might disown you.

January 18, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sailorman,

"Fact: There are over 20,000 laws already on the books regarding firearms and their use. Do we have an enforcement problem?"

The NRA helped write a bunch of laws that handcuff the ATF. It's hard to enforce laws when you aren't allowed to.

The ATF doesn't even have a full-time director.

The ATF only has 2,500 special agents as of 2010.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/factsheets/2010-factsheet-facts-and-figures.html

January 18, 2013 at 4:03 p.m.
timbo said...

slEasy123.....you are nuts. You accuse me of not making a point then in the next sentence you criticized the point that I didn't make??!!!

Do you think that Governor Coumo is being protected by gun with 7 shot magazines? I don't think I have a fully automatic weapon at my house. Do you?

You absolutely make no sense.

January 18, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

bimbo,

"you are nuts."

You are bolts.

"You accuse me of not making a point then in the next sentence you criticized the point that I didn't make??!!!"

I criticized the use of the statistic as meaningful. You have yet to make a point in regard to the statistic. Saying murder is a problem in the black community isn't a point. The statistic itself says that. What is your solution to the statistic? What you you suggesting the statistic means in regard to gun laws?

"Do you think that Governor Coumo is being protected by gun with 7 shot magazines?"

Probably.

"I don't think I have a fully automatic weapon at my house. Do you?"

You nor I are in the Secret Service or military. Do you have a tank or drones? You can have access to all the automatic weapons, tanks, bombs, etc. if you become President, join the military or the Secret Service.

"You absolutely make no sense."

Do I need to s l o w d o w n f o r y o u? I'm making perfect sense. Are you stupid or just trying to play dumb?

January 18, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
timbo said...

slEasy123.....you said, "You obviously don't have children or you would understand that they are off limits".

What in the hell did Obama do? He used kids to make a political point. Do you have any idea what you are writing? I think you are possessed

January 18, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

bimbo,

"What in the hell did Obama do? He used kids to make a political point."

How so? What kids did he use? The Sandy Hook kids? What about the adults in the other 16 mass shootings this year? I recall the President mentioning them too.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-2012-84-dead#

"Do you have any idea what you are writing? I think you are possessed"

Do you? You are talking out of your ass.

January 18, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Easy

"That might matter if there this country only consisted of white people."

It matters regardless.

"Or maybe it's just an education, nurture, environment problem in any race group that has a 27.4 % poverty rate and an 8% high school dropout rate."

Maybe, even probably. Not to mention 67% single parent household. So what is being done about it?

"The NRA helped write a bunch of laws that handcuff the ATF. It's hard to enforce laws when you aren't allowed to."

How many? All of them? Some of them? They seem to be working OK for those bozos on trial for selling without a license.

"The ATF doesn't even have a full-time director."

So what? Whose fault is that?

"The ATF only has 2,500 special agents as of 2010."

Whose fault is that? You do know the ATF isn't the only enforcement agency around don't you?

"Those facts mean very little in regard to the gun problem."

Tell that to the black kids that are being slaughtered. Again, what's being done about?

January 18, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sailorman,

"It matters regardless."

How so?

"So what is being done about it?"

What is being done about it?

"How many? All of them? Some of them? They seem to be working OK for those bozos on trial for selling without a license."

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/tiahrt.aspx

"So what? Whose fault is that?"

I think it would be important to have someone on full-time in directing the ATF, wouldn't you? I don't know whose fault it is.

"Whose fault is that? You do know the ATF isn't the only enforcement agency around don't you?"

I don't know whose fault it is. It seems to be the one most directly involved in enforcing the major gun laws. Notice the "F" in ATF.

"Tell that to the black kids that are being slaughtered. Again, what's being done about?"

And the whites, hispanic, asians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders? What is being done about that? Oh wait, we aren't allowed to talk about gun control or any of the topics surrounding it.

January 18, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
Sailorman said...

"How so?"

Why not?

Tiahrt? That's all you've got?

"What is being done about it?" No answer huh?

"I think it would be important to have someone on full-time in directing the ATF, wouldn't you? I don't know whose fault it is."

Maybe maybe not - probably not much effect on day to day operations. The fault would be with whoever is supposed to appoint him. The FBI and all those other alphabet agencies, along with the various police forces, will be hurt you think they aren't important.

And the whites, hispanic, asians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders? What is being done about that?

They aren't the ones slaughtering each other. Do you propose the same solution would fit everybody?

" Oh wait, we aren't allowed to talk about gun control or any of the topics surrounding it."

That's just plain stupid.

January 18, 2013 at 5:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sailorman,

"Why not?"

Why?

"Tiahrt? That's all you've got?"

That's all I need.

"Maybe maybe not - probably not much effect on day to day operations. The fault would be with whoever is supposed to appoint him."

If it isn't a big deal then why are your placing blame?

"They aren't the ones slaughtering each other. Do you propose the same solution would fit everybody?"

They are slaughtering each other. We need to propose solutions that would fit everyone.

"That's just plain stupid."

It's reality.

January 18, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
Lr103 said...

jesse said: BTW: lr103, in order for M.A.D. to work all parties have to be at least semi- sane.NO Arab country in the mid-east is sane enough to have nukes!They all want to be mytrs to start with and would think they were doing Allah's work by wiping out the planet!

And you don't think some fanatic from some western or european country awaiting rapture isn't capable of doing the same? tsk! tsk! What I stated was meant with sarcasm with a tinge of humor you apparently couldn't grasp. Along with you and yours lunatic belief that anyone who legally owns a gun couldn't possibly be capable of coming unhinged and going postal.

January 18, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.
moon4kat said...

The overly-excitable, paranoid hysteria of some gun owners makes me wonder if they are mentally stable. I'm serious, they frighten me with their itchy fingers and lack of calm, reflective logic. If they'd dial the rampant paranoia back a notch it's possible we might have a civilized discussion about what's wrong and how to fix it. Assuming they agree that there's something wrong with repeated massacres of innocents. And, assuming they have any interest in really solving a national cancer, instead of just strutting around like fantasy Rambos.

January 18, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

moon4kat,

"Assuming they agree that there's something wrong with repeated massacres of innocents. And, assuming they have any interest in really solving a national cancer, instead of just strutting around like fantasy Rambos."

They don't agree that their is something wrong nor do they have an interest in solving that problem. Logic be damned as long as I can have to option the own any type of firearm.

January 18, 2013 at 7:21 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Easy

Why?

OK I understand now. That the murder rate among black youth is nearly 7 times that of whites isn't important to you. Or do you have an answer other than your silly retorts.

Re Tiahrt. Not surprised that's all you need.

Hey I'm not the one complaining about not having a full time ATF director.

"It's reality"

BS No it's not

Tell you what you and moon can go on telling each other how wonderful you are. Her description of the "overly excitable, paranoid hysteria" "mentally unstable" is a clear case of projection. You talking about logic is nearly as funny. I'll leave you two lovebugs alone. See ya

January 18, 2013 at 9:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sailorman,

"That the murder rate among black youth is nearly 7 times that of whites isn't important to you."

Strawman.

" Or do you have an answer other than your silly retorts."

Do you?

"Re Tiahrt. Not surprised that's all you need."

See what I mean about your silly retorts?

"Hey I'm not the one complaining about not having a full time ATF director."

I wasn't either. I was simply pointing out that enforcement isn't the problem

"BS No it's not"

No BS, it's all too true. You're just oblivious.

"Tell you what you and moon can go on telling each other how wonderful you are"

Whatever you say, you sanctimonious twat.

"a clear case of projection"

Or maybe the truth just hurts.

"You talking about logic is nearly as funny."

Look who's talking.

"I'll leave you two lovebugs alone. See ya"

Dont let the door hit you on your evasive, dumb ass.

January 19, 2013 at 1:32 a.m.
Sailorman said...

Easy

It's only a strawman if you arguing more about guns themselves than deaths.

I asked a question - feel free to admit you don't want or can't answer

Nice to know you consider failing to enforce laws not a problem. In that case, any new bans can be ignored. Talk about oblivious lol

Are you or moon as afraid of a golf club as you are a rifle? You should be. You're more likely to be killed by one.

If you can come up with a rational explanation as to why most murders are committed by criminals with handguns and crazies with whatever they can find, but the emphasis is always to take away semi-automatic rifles from citizens who have no criminal records, I'll listen.

Why does the solution not match the problem?

"sanctimonious twat" "evasive, dumb ass"

Brilliant - just brilliant

It's going to be a beautiful day - get out and enjoy it.

January 19, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The NRA has the solution to the problem.

The president has no solutions.

The president is just another narcissistic Statist that either does not understand the genius of the 2nd Amendment or he is afraid of the genius of the 2nd Amendment. He is a smart enough guy, figure it out for yourself.

January 19, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
moon4kat said...

The NRA has the solutions?!?? Arming everyone? Oh, please. That's just nuts. Even Marshalls in the Old West made men hang up their guns when they came into town.

January 19, 2013 at 1 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"The president is just another narcissistic Statist that either does not understand the genius of the 2nd Amendment or he is afraid of the genius of the 2nd Amendment." - BRP

The "genius" of the second amendment might have been great for its time but just because it was practical then does not mean that it is practical or even desirable today. Our existence as a nation is not even remotely close to what was in place 226 years ago. Our economy, social structure, infrastructure, technology, national defense are nothing like what was intact when the Constitution was conceived. Certainly the basic framework and premise were brilliant in concept and need to be maintained but it is way past time for a second bill of rights to be implemented. FDR saw the need for it even during his lifetime. But of course, we all know what a Communist he was, at least in the eyes of you wing-nuts.

Our founding fathers were each brilliant in their own way but they all had various disagreements about how this country should be governed. They were not omniscient prophets with the ability to project into the future. There is no way they could have foreseen what shape this country would take. As far as the second amendment is concerned, its "genius" leaves a lot to be desired if it is so ambiguous that we have to debate what is actually intended by a "well regulated militia" and how it applies to our modern world in which we already have full military power for our national defense and a National Guard for state-side defense and emergencies.

You think the second amendment is "genius" as long as you narrowly interpret it the way you want to interpret it and refuse to even acknowledge that there is room for debate as to its context in today's world.

January 19, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sailorman,

"It's only a strawman if you arguing more about guns themselves than deaths."

It's a strawman because I don't hold that position.

"I asked a question - feel free to admit you don't want or can't answer"

I asked a question as well. Feel free to admit you don't want or can't answer it.

"Nice to know you consider failing to enforce laws not a problem. In that case, any new bans can be ignored. Talk about oblivious lol"

Another strawman. Laws are being enforced. Some laws/sensible measures cannot be because of the restrictions other amendments put on the extent of the laws. Pay attention next time. I already went over that.

"Are you or moon as afraid of a golf club as you are a rifle? You should be. You're more likely to be killed by one."

I'm not afraid of any gun. But you're moving the goal posts by act like this whole issue is about rifles.

"If you can come up with a rational explanation as to why most murders are committed by criminals with handguns and crazies with whatever they can find, but the emphasis is always to take away semi-automatic rifles from citizens who have no criminal records, I'll listen."

I've already gone over this with you many times. Have you not been paying attention?

"Why does the solution not match the problem?"

They do. Have you read the 23 E.O.'s? They encompass nearly everything that needed to be addressed.

"Brilliant - just brilliant"

See what I mean? Sanctimonious.

January 19, 2013 at 2:45 p.m.
Sailorman said...

No goal posts were moved. I know the whole issue isn't rifles. Apparently, others don't.

Do the proposed bans include handguns? No (6,220 deaths)

Do they include rifles? (323 deaths) Yes

"I asked a question as well. Feel free to admit you don't want or can't answer it." Have you not been paying attention?"

Your lack of ability to recognize an answer is not my problem.

Yes I've read the EO's. Have you?

"See what I mean? Sanctimonious."

Whatever. It's certainly a cut above childish swill like "sanctimonious twat" "evasive, dumb ass".

January 19, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"The overly-excitable, paranoid hysteria of some gun owners makes me wonder if they are mentally stable." - moon4kat

I completely agree, m4k. When I see guys like Alex Jones, James Yeager, Ted Nugent, and other gun freaks ranting and frothing at the mouth like 2-yr.olds throwing a tantrum, just because they feel threatened by common-sense gun regulations (that in fact do not diminish their personal freedoms), I can't help but wonder what little bit of a push it would take to make them pick up one of their "babies" and start shooting. Where others see practical, sane gun control, they see a "tyrannical" and oppressive government, which they believe the second amendment supposedly empowers them to take up arms against. I can easily see one of them or the many gun nuts like them believing that it is their "patriotic" duty to take up arms and overthrow that government. And once they reach that point, innocent people caught in the crossfire would only be unavoidable collateral damage in their opinion.

I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before some of them become unhinged enough to start spraying bullets, all in the name of overthrowing a government that their warped minds deem to be "tyrannical." In fact, there are a few posters here who seem to be unhinged enough to do that too.

January 19, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sailorman,

"No goal posts were moved. I know the whole issue isn't rifles. Apparently, others don't."

You sure are acting like rifles are the only issue.

"Do the proposed bans include handguns? No (6,220 deaths)"

The new background checks would address handgun buyers as well.

"Do they include rifles? (323 deaths) Yes"

Not all rifles.

"Your lack of ability to recognize an answer is not my problem."

The fact that you think you've actually given me anything that would qualify as an answer is very telling.

"Yes I've read the EO's. Have you?"

Yes, that's why I brought them up.

"Whatever. It's certainly a cut above childish swill like "sanctimonious twat" "evasive, dumb ass"."

It's not a cut above anything. You're a sanctimonious twat and evasive. If you don't want to be labeled these things, then don't fit the description.

January 19, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
Sailorman said...

"You sure are acting like rifles are the only issue."

No I'm not. That's your interpretation

"Not all rifles."

True - which makes it even sillier. It only bans those evil looking ones with flip up thingies or pistol grips. You know, the ones that are functionally no different than any other semi-auto.

The fact that you think you've actually haven't been given anything that would qualify as an answer is very telling.

"You're a sanctimonious twat and evasive. If you don't want to be labeled these things, then don't fit the description."

Well gee you forgot "dumbass"

How old are you? 12? You can have the last word. Then you can go call other folks ridiculous names.

January 19, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Sailorman,

"No I'm not. That's your interpretation"

Yes, you are. My interpretation of reality. Remember this:

"Are you or moon as afraid of a golf club as you are a rifle? You should be. You're more likely to be killed by one."

"True - which makes it even sillier."

It's only silly to you because you're blinded by your own bias and misunderstanding.

"It only bans those evil looking ones with flip up thingies or pistol grips. You know, the ones that are functionally no different than any other semi-auto."

And? That's a good first step.

"The fact that you think you've actually haven't been given anything that would qualify as an answer is very telling."

Again, the fact that you think you've actually given me anything that would qualify as an answer is very telling.

"Well gee you forgot "dumbass""

"Dumb" was the adjective. "Ass" was what I told you to not let the door hit you on. I'm guessing you aren't familiar with that very common quip.

"How old are you? 12? You can have the last word. Then you can go call other folks ridiculous names."

How old are you? 9? I'd get the last word anyway, you're just giving up. Then you can go use your sanctimonious, evasive act on someone else and whine when they label you accurately.

January 19, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
jesse said...

Easy said "i am not afraid of any gun"!

Before i get started on that ,were you serious?

Have you ever looked down the barrel of one when you KNEW the person holding it was more than ready to drop the trigger on your ass? Just askin!

January 19, 2013 at 5:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Before i get started on that ,were you serious?"

Yes.

"Have you ever looked down the barrel of one when you KNEW the person holding it was more than ready to drop the trigger on your ass?"

What would that change? Why would I be afraid of the gun? Guns don't kill people, remember? LMFAO! You must be talking about a fear of death and/or pain. I'm not scared of those things either. And I'm definitely not scared of guns.

January 19, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

moon4kat said... "The NRA has the solutions?!?? Arming everyone?"

No one is talking about arming everyone. Certainly, no one is talking about arming everyone in schools. On the other hand, when the government creates a ripe killing field by declaring a gun free zone I think that same government should step up and provide real security in those zones. What ever level of government creates the killing field should provide the security.

It seems pretty simple to me. When the government denies the right to protect yourself they should do the protecting.

January 21, 2013 at 8:05 p.m.
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