published Thursday, March 28th, 2013

Indigent Care

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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fairmon said...

The supreme court case hi-lites 1,100 statutes in which marital status is relevant, dealing with tax breaks for married couples, Social Security survivor benefits and, for federal employees, health insurance and leave to care for spouses.

This could read 1,100 statures discriminating against singles. Some corporations have the same practice as federal employees because federal employees are provided them.

The court could make the issue irrelevant by striking down those 1100 statutes as they should since they discriminate against a minority group.

March 28, 2013 at 5:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

Todays cartoon message...Ignore the logic of not expanding as proposed and quit seeking viable alternatives, just hold your nose ignore the cost and sign up governor.

March 28, 2013 at 5:37 a.m.
Bocephus75i said...

I guess we could always just go to the money tree . It's located on top of Candy Mountain.

March 28, 2013 at 6:35 a.m.
librul said...

Just some more of that good 'ol republican 'fiscal conservatism'. Gotta keep the insurance profiteers raking it in while standing between you and your doctor.

I guess they think big numbers are better ... I mean, if Tennessee is 48th in the country's health rankings survey, we need to fight to keep it that way, right, Mr. Haslam? Wouldn't want to change 'the system' when it's working so very well.

March 28, 2013 at 7:40 a.m.
alprova said...

Bill Haslam made a big mistake, but his Republican cohorts are slapping him on his back, so it's gonna be just fine...for now.

This is just another demonstration by Tennessee's Republicans that the poor are not on their radar screens. According to the TFP polling results, the consensus of opinion is not with him on this either.

Bill Haslam can sit around blaming Barack Obama all he wants. Republicans all over the nation can continue to resist the good that ObamaCare has done and will continue to do come January 1st of next year, at their own detriment.

Driving more people to seek health care coverage offered by the Federal Government is only going to go farther in establishing a precedent for the case for nationalizing our entire health care system.

It's what needs to be done anyway.

March 28, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
Handleit said...

I am not an expert on health care and I don't think the governor and legistators in this state are either. Tennessee already struggles trying to manage TennCare. I don't think they will do any better with Haslem's proposal.

Tennessee at present is under a Republican regime. One party is controlling everything in this states government. The Republicans in this state are proving each day that they want to control everything and everybody in Tennessee. Our Republican leaders are just as out of control today as the Democrats were in the past when they had a majority. Tennessee government has no checks and balances.

March 28, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.

So what's the answer Claydoh?

The left will spend and spend and spend until one day they are out of other people's money to spend. Then, guess who is thrown out of the soup line or hospital?

The left's heart will bleed until they have to actually pitch in.

Wise up people.

March 28, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Cartoons are the perfect format for the oversimplification and emotional-isation of a message. Bennett fits into the left's propaganda machine quite nicely.

March 28, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.
jjmez said...

The left will spend and spend and spend until one day

Actually, if anyone cares to take even the slightest look, it's always been the Republican rightistS who spend and SPEND and SPEND

March 28, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

It is progressive republicans AND democrats that are the spenders. Both parties are guilty and have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to manage the countries finances responsibly. It is our fault for sending the same losers back to Washington.

March 28, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "the good that ObamaCare has done"

You must be in a light hearted mood today!

March 28, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Obamacare is probably the most awful legislation that has come out of Washington in the last century. I suppose anybody can find SOMETHING in the thousands of pages that they like, but the net affect is designed to cripple the health care industry and drive up insurance costs to move us to government provided health care.

March 28, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"...the net affect is designed to cripple the health care industry and drive up insurance costs to move us to government provided health care." - BRP

Our heath care industry is already crippled and has been for a long time. We have the most inefficient and costly system of providing health insurance of any county in the world. Those who are fortunate enough to have good, comprehensive insurance simply ignore the tens of millions who don't have it and if they acknowledge them at all they BLAME them for being lazy or stupid or somehow undeserving. But those who are fortunate now are only one serious accident or illness away from suffering catastrophic loss. Nobody should have to lose their home or their entire life savings on account of health care costs.

Obamacare is flawed and doomed to fail because he has tried too hard to appease the tightie-righties by keeping health insurance in the hands of big business. He should have never taken the single-payer option off the table. That is the only system that will work. It would cost far less administratively, free up employers from the onus and expense of having to insure their employees, dispense with much of the red tape, and free up doctors from the headache, time, and expense of having to wrangle with the individual insurance companies. As long as we leave our health insurance in the hands of private enterprise, where profit is the primary driving factor, we will continue to have an inefficient, poorly administered, inequitable, and exorbitantly expensive health care industry.

March 28, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "You must be in a light hearted mood today!"

I'm in a great mood, and I'm living proof to the good that ObamaCare has helped many Americans already.

I was virtually uninsurable until the Previous Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) was born as a result of ObamaCare. I'm pleased as punch with the avenue opened to me to restore myself to self-responsibility.

There are for sure, bumps in the road that will have to be smoothed out, but the American people are slowly but surely seeing that ObamaCare is going to be around, and they like it.

March 28, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"A cash flow stream into the Obama regime?" That doesn't even make sense. Not on any level. You are speaking from pure, raw emotion, with a hatred so deep for Obama and all liberals, that you don't really think about what you're saying - as long as it's an anti-liberal rant you're satisfied with it. In other words, you're just squawking out your ass. That comes as no surprise.

March 28, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "I'm living proof to the good that ObamaCare has helped many Americans already."

Thanks for the laugh!

March 28, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Rickaroo said... "Our heath care industry is already crippled and has been for a long time."

Haven't we covered all of this already? ... Never mind, I am obviously not in the mood to engage another Bennett repeat. This guy is like Chinese water torture.

March 28, 2013 at 11:52 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law.

Frederic Bastiat

Obamacare is NOT respectable, or moral

March 28, 2013 at 12:14 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Thanks for the laugh!"

You can laugh if you want. In fact, have a good cry if it will make you feel better.

What you will not do is stop ObamaCare.

It's here to stay, so you might as well figure out how to utilize it to your best benefit.

March 28, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
Handleit said...

jonross is a radical republican that walks around with blinders on. If you don't keep you eyes and your mind open you will fall prey to the lies that politicians spew. Republican and Democrat parties both stink!

March 28, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Alprova, Just be prepared for a 30% jump in premiums next year according to a TFP article I read the other day. It WILL drive the cost of private insurance up till one day no one can afford it and then the government will come in and "save the day" with the one payor system. Then there will be disaster in healthcare.

March 28, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
mtngrl said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

"The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law."

So you believe it was more moral to not insure people with pre-existing conditions? More moral to drop insurance people have payed into for years just because they actually have to use it now? More moral for people who only have the "right" job to even get access to insurance?

I know people with cancer, epilepsy, and other conditions that previously made them uninsurable who, like Alprova, have been helped immensely by this bill. I know of noone who has been harmed by this bill.

And Rickarro's 10:57 post is dead on.

As for JonRoss... " It is not a wild leap to imagine..." Ummm, every post you make is a wild leap of imagination.

March 28, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mtngrl,

I do not like insurance. It will be pretty hard for you to get me to cry over someone not having access to it.

The problem is, just because we can do something does not mean that someone has some kind of obama-given-right to it. A few decades ago many of the treatments available today were not even an option. Now that some brilliant scientists have found some very expensive treatments for previously terminal illnesses there is no moral imperative to supply those treatments to every tom, dick and harry at the public's expense. Those who can afford it and think it worth it should be free to take advantage of it. Those who cannot afford the fancy, new fangled treatments should not be led to believe that they are automatically entitled to them at someone else’s expense.

The "progressives" will howl and moan that I am not being compassionate, I am just being realistic. Eventually you "progressives" will be explaining to me how the government cannot be expected to pay for all of these expensive treatments for people who do not have much life left anyway. "Progressive" leadership is now just plucking on your "heart" strings as they vilify the health care and insurance industry so they can get your emotional support for a government "rescue" of the situation. In the end the government will make things worse, not better. We are squandering an opportunity to make things truly better, see Ben Carson. I should note, I have been saying the same thing as Mr. Carson for years, but have not written a book on it.

March 28, 2013 at 1 p.m.
NGAdad said...

Just as a reminder folks...

JonRoss is a criminal of epic proportion. He has bilked creditors of hundreds of thousands of dollars, he has failed to pay tens of thousands of dollars in Federal, State and county taxes. He employs mostly illegal immigrants and has them steal anything that can be taken to sell to scrap yards if you are unlucky enough to hire his company on your premises.

Yes JonRoss is your average Republican... a hypocrite thief.

March 28, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
degage said...

Nurse, Al, wants a single payer system. I noticed in an earlier post he mentioned nationalizing the health care. same difference, at least he is honest about it.

March 28, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
Leaf said...

nurseforjustice said: Alprova, Just be prepared for a 30% jump in premiums next year according to a TFP article I read the other day.

I read that article too. I noticed that the sole source of that 30% number was the CEO of Blue Cross. Just sayin'

March 28, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Leaf, He was talking about BCBST rates. If you haven't noticed before now, other insurers usually follow in step with bcbst. Not because they are blind followers but because they have too to keep up. BCBST is good about reacting to the future.

Degage, I am aware of Al's position. Just don't think he will like it when it actually happens. Kind of just going on record if you know what I mean. And yes, if he is anything it appears that he is honest.

March 28, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Thanks BRP, I questioned your use of idea of this being immoral and your answer is "Those who can afford it and think it worth it should be free to take advantage of it. Those who cannot afford the fancy, new fangled treatments should not be led to believe that they are automatically entitled to them at someone else’s expense."

So life saving treatments are only morally entitled to the wealthy... A child with cancer should just die in order no pennies are taken from your pocket...

That is a great description of modern day Conservative morals.

March 28, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mtngrl,

I appreciate your desire to be compassionate, but there have to be limits to what you can expect. Say, for instance, someone comes up with a great treatment that could save a child with cancer, but it costs a billion dollars. No one is going to be able to afford that but a very few people. Just because you feel sorry for the child that is no less true. If you think that giving responsibility to the government for health care will solve that problem you are sadly mistaken. Maybe you think the FED could just start printing billion dollar bills to hand out to the parents of every sadly stricken child and the problem would be solved?

The current situation is not all that different than that only the numbers are a little less stratospheric so it is harder for you to appreciate.

March 28, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

dummyRoss,

"You viciously attack people who invoke moral concepts in opposition to gay marriage."

False. Those "moral concepts" are nothing but a front for bigotry. Bigotry and discrimination is what is being attacked, not your so-called "moral concepts"; those [moral concepts] happen to be highly immoral.

"Obama will CONTROL my healthcare and ration it after 1/1/14."

FALSE. President Obama will control nothing of the sort.

"So that sick child will reduce the care that my OWN sick child has. That is a crime."

FALSE. You have conjured that idea up. It is baseless and completely false.

"And once again we have to question the vacation that the Obama daughters are taking in the Bahamas on the taxpayer tab."

Doesn't it seem odd that vacations for the First Family only seemed to become a problem when that family wasn't Caucasian? I'm more concerned about the two wars and 4000+ dead on my taxpayer tab.

"That money could be used to treat cancer stricken children, but it is not."

No, it couldn't. You have no clue how government works.

" So who is immoral ?"

You are. You are a habitual liar and intentionally deceitful.

March 28, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy has arrived. The name calling and vitriol can now begin in earnest!

March 28, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"Easy has arrived. The name calling and vitriol can now begin in earnest!"

Yawn...

Isn't it about time you scampered off to your Rand Paul/Gary Johnson/Ayn Rand shrine? Or, as you call it, the "Rand-y Johnson Trinity". I call it the "Big Unit Trio".

March 28, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"So easy I take that as a YES, you agree that the Obamas are immoral because they failed to save several children from cancer by sending their daughters on a hedonistic romp in the Bahamas at taxpayer expense."

You take what as a yes? Obviously, nothing I've said would imply sort of affirmation of your psychotic musings.

The Obama's aren't immoral. No children died of cancer because of the vacation. Hedonistic? Are you having child porn daydreams?

Try again, moron.

March 28, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy123 said... "moron."

Just curioius, have you ever managed a post to someone that you don't agree with where you resisted the temptation to call them a name?

March 28, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"Just curioius, have you ever managed a post to someone that you don't agree with where you resisted the temptation to call them a name?"

Very often. I only call people names that fit the definition of those names. JonRoss is, in fact, a moron and many other negative names and adjectives that could accurately describe him. "Moron" just seems to fit nicely today.

"Hypocrite", "hypersensitive", "sanctimonious" are names/adjectives that could accurately describe you.

March 28, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I think that individuals like you downgrade the discussion by dragging good people into personal attacks and name-calling.

March 28, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

I think individuals like you downgrade the discussion by letting people like JonRoss get away with their lies, misinformation and so many other egregiously libelous remarks. And you downgrade the discussion by getting butt-hurt when someone criticizes your opinion. You claim to want "intelligent discourse", but what you really want is people to agree with you or not question your opinion. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that isn't intelligent or honest debate.

My "personal attacks" and name-calling is accurate and warranted. But your opinion of my posts goes back to your hypersensitivity and hypocritical nature. You'd rather address me calling someone a moron than address someone that called President Obama a bastard. That's just one example. There are plenty more when that came from. JonRoss called handleit an idiot. Where were you on that one?

Oh, wait! I know! JonRoss is a WingNut just like you! You WingNut birds flock together, but you're easily found out BRP.

March 28, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

This isn't the first time I've exposed you and I will continue to do it as long as you continue to act in that way.

March 28, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yeah, I get it. Anyone that does not agree with Easy is a wingnut, moron, idiot... Keep flexing those intellectual muscles Mr. Easy!

March 28, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"Yeah, I get it. Anyone that does not agree with Easy is a wingnut, moron, idiot..."

Not at all. People that are WingNuts, morons, and idiots will be labeled as such. It has nothing with disagreeing with me. It's all about the facts. Apparently, the truth hurts you a lot.

"Keep flexing those intellectual muscles Mr. Easy!"

Keep acting like you're flexing yours, BRP! Keep being a sanctimonious hypocrite too. I'll continue to call you on it!

:-)

March 28, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I missed hypocrite... wingnut, moron, idiot, hypocrite. You seem to visit these pages to make statements in an attempt to ultimately throw a slur at those you want to try to discredit. Kind of sad Mr. Easy.

March 28, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"You seem to visit these pages to make statements in an attempt to ultimately throw a slur at those you want to try to discredit."

Wrong. I visit these pages to make statements that accurately characterize, describe, and expose those that discredit themselves. You just happen to be on that list. I don't have to try to discredit anyone here. The majority, including yourself, do it on your own accord. If you don't want to be confronted, don't be a hypocrite, liar, etc. It's that simple.

"Kind of sad Mr. Easy."

Don't be sad about it. The truth hurts until you start accepting it.

March 28, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I would have thought you would at least tried to back down on the name calling by now. We are up to wingnut, moron, idiot, hypocrite and liar now and I am sure I have missed some. It is probably fair to say that you have slung more slurs than the sum of all the other posts on this page. Not bad for just over an hour's presence.

Is that what you call a good day? When you have reached the top of the insult heap?

March 28, 2013 at 6:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"I would have thought you would at least tried to back down on the name calling by now."

Why would I back down from telling the truth? If you'll notice, I haven't directly tried to characterize you in several posts now. Mentioning those words doesn't exactly count.

"We are up to wingnut, moron, idiot, hypocrite and liar now and I am sure I have missed some."

At least you're keeping count. To be fair, I never actually called anyone an idiot. That was JonRoss. I just mentioned it. Again, if you don't want to be labeled those things then don't fit the definition of those words. And when I say "you", I am referring to the universal "you", not you directly.

"It is probably fair to say that you have slung more slurs than the sum of all the other posts on this page."

Not even close. Try again.

"Not bad for just over an hour's presence."

If you say so.

"Is that what you call a good day? When you have reached the top of the insult heap?"

Nothing within these threads could make or break a "good day" for me. You call it an insult heap, I call it an accurate description.

Anything else?

March 28, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

And you're a fool.

March 28, 2013 at 7:08 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Wanna know how to shut down dialogue on a newspaper opinion page? It's as easy as 1-2-3.

March 28, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

It is comical to scroll down the days posts, full as they are of hateful right wing garbage, and then read this:

"BigRidgePatriot said... Easy has arrived. The name calling and vitriol can now begin in earnest!"

You're a bunch of pigs and he takes you to the woodshed daily, and that just kills you. LMAO

March 28, 2013 at 8:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Patriot1,

Show me what "dialogue" JonRoss was offering. My presence here has no effect on the dialogue. It does, thankfully, seem to have a negative correlation with the amount of bullsh!t posted on these threads.

Come on, man. Get real.

March 28, 2013 at 8:38 p.m.
dude_abides said...

NGAdad... What business is that crook in? Just need to know the type of business, so I can steer clear.

March 28, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
alprova said...

NFJ wrote: "Alprova, Just be prepared for a 30% jump in premiums next year according to a TFP article I read the other day. It WILL drive the cost of private insurance up till one day no one can afford it and then the government will come in and "save the day" with the one payor system. Then there will be disaster in healthcare."

That may well be what happens, but I am not convinced that insurers are going to be that stupid.

Why?

Because they know doggone well that if they raise their rates to such a degree, they are going to be put out of business.

Right now, the advent of ObamaCare stands to expand their business dealings exponentially. They know that in order to keep that business, they are going to have to toe a very careful line.

Scare tactics are not going to work any longer. ObamaCare is going to be implemented. Medical providers are on board with it. The American people are, little by little, welcoming much of what is poised to come to pass.

Insurers had better not attempt to give back the gift they have been awarded. They are, no doubt, hoping against all hope that the Republicans will somehow save them, and return the balance of power to realize the massive profits that they have enjoyed for decades, but that is not going to happen.

They will threaten, plead, and will probably beg before it is all over this coming January, but if they cross that line that has been drawn in the sand and attempt to defy the mandates that have been placed on each and every one of them, they know they are finished.

March 28, 2013 at 10 p.m.
alprova said...

NGADad wrote: "JonRoss is a criminal of epic proportion. He has bilked creditors of hundreds of thousands of dollars, he has failed to pay tens of thousands of dollars in Federal, State and county taxes. He employs mostly illegal immigrants and has them steal anything that can be taken to sell to scrap yards if you are unlucky enough to hire his company on your premises."

I have noticed that the man has never once denied the above any time it has been posted. He blithely pots and always ignores it, each and every time.

It must be quite true.

March 28, 2013 at 10:05 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "I do not like insurance. It will be pretty hard for you to get me to cry over someone not having access to it."

I love insurance. I have a 2 million dollar umbrella policy on my business, my autos, and on my life.

I have always insured myself against loss, including health care. I have related what happened to change that dynamic in my life, and have had to start over in terms of insuring myself and my wife.

We drew a bad hand of cards. But we're both still here and we are both insured once again, thanks to ObamaCare.

"The problem is, just because we can do something does not mean that someone has some kind of obama-given-right to it. A few decades ago many of the treatments available today were not even an option. Now that some brilliant scientists have found some very expensive treatments for previously terminal illnesses there is no moral imperative to supply those treatments to every tom, dick and harry at the public's expense."

Well, Sir...I hate to remind you of something, but what you think does not form policy in this nation. We Liberals are pro-life when it comes to all lives, not just embryos.

"Those who can afford it and think it worth it should be free to take advantage of it. Those who cannot afford the fancy, new fangled treatments should not be led to believe that they are automatically entitled to them at someone else’s expense."

Have no fear. You're going to contribute to the cause, whether you like it or not, just like I do to pay for wars that I have a personal objection to augmenting.

"The "progressives" will howl and moan that I am not being compassionate, I am just being realistic. Eventually you "progressives" will be explaining to me how the government cannot be expected to pay for all of these expensive treatments for people who do not have much life left anyway."

I'm sure, at some point in your own life, you will come to eat those words. You might be young. Your family might be healthy. But somewhere down the road, Karma will catch up with you or yours.

I'd love to be there to witness it and to ask you if your loved one is worth saving for a day, a week, a month, or a year. Their going to die anyway, so why prolong the agony?

Are you so sure that your answer will be the same? I know better.

"We are squandering an opportunity to make things truly better, see Ben Carson. I should note, I have been saying the same thing as Mr. Carson for years, but have not written a book on it."

I don't presume to know Ben Carson's history, but I'm quite sure that he has done lots of procedures without compensation. He's not as cold-hearted as you believe him to be.

He was one of 70 Surgeons who, in 1987, worked to successfully separate an extreme case of conjoined twins from Germany, for which I am sure none of them received a dime.

March 28, 2013 at 10:32 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Just curioius, have you ever managed a post to someone that you don't agree with where you resisted the temptation to call them a name?"

I see we're going to be holier than thou, are we?

Your demeanor in this forum has definitely improved, but it was not so long ago that you wandered in here on a daily basis to call the host of this forum all kinds of names.

You have reduced that to about once a week, here lately, but you're still guilty of the exact same thing you just accused Easy of doing.

Some people would call you a hypocrite.

March 28, 2013 at 10:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

...and I would be some people!

March 28, 2013 at 10:43 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "I am sure you have heard by now that one of the major funding points for obama-medicalcare-rape was the taxes on medical equipment. Progressive have decided that is too onerous and are going to repeal the tax."

You really ought to learn to do a little more research when you read something on the right-wing websites.

Although the provision to repeal the tax on medical devices passed overwhelmingly with some support by enough Democrats, it doesn't have a shot at becoming law because the budget bill it was attached to is non-binding.

March 28, 2013 at 10:56 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP..do you think easy was a bully in school or the one bullied? The anonymity of the computer and a forum like this enabling him to attack and name call if he disagrees is an ego booster for him. Keep in mind some people attempt to escalate themselves by saying how bad they think someone else is.

Those days when people posted their views and opinions and left it at that appear to be gone. It is not enough to ask questions or to say I respectfully disagree and explain why. It seems many read an article by some journalist or politician that says what they want to hear and what they already think and assume that makes it true.

The PPAHCA is still evolving, all the rules and regs haven't been written so the ultimate impact is not fully known. The OMB has now increased the cost estimates exponentially and will most likely increase them more. It is logical to conclude that you cannot insure 30 million more people to the extent required whether they want or need as much care as dictated without a huge increase in cost. When something is free the recipient is much less likely to pay attention to the cost of the services they utilize and will no doubt accept the coverage for things they will likely never need.

March 29, 2013 at 3:51 a.m.
degage said...

Fairmon and BRP, I'm not sure about the word bully and easy. He claims to be studying to be a lawyer and I don't doubt him. I can see him in court and the judge saying something he doesn't like and he calls him a moron, He gets slapped with a contempt of court more than once. He knows he isn't supposed to do that but he can't help himself just like he can't help himself on this forum. Most of us here have gotten used to his lack of self control so we just have to laugh when he loses it. Jackson is just practicing.

March 29, 2013 at 6:13 a.m.
anniebelle said...

If you rightwingers would just present facts instead of the lies that are streamed to you 24/7, you might not be called hypocrites, idiots, morons, etc. Nobody, nowhere ever said you didn't have to pay for insurance premiums. So you can quit trotting that Limbaugh lie out here for all to see. On March 23, 2010, President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, putting in place comprehensive reforms that improve access to affordable health coverage for everyone and protect consumers from abusive insurance company practices. The law allows all Americans to make health insurance choices that work for them while guaranteeing access to care for our most vulnerable, and provides new ways to bring down costs and improve quality of care.
Private insurers that provide coverage for nearly 174 million Americans must now justify double-digit premium increases, and nearly 76 million Americans are covered by insurers that are now required to spend at least 80% of premium dollars on health care.

March 29, 2013 at 6:20 a.m.
dude_abides said...

fairmon said... "BRP..do you think easy was a bully in school or the one bullied? The anonymity of the computer and a forum like this enabling him to attack and name call..."

You're saying this to the guy that trashes this forum and the cartoonist and the TFP daily? This, too, it should be noted, comes from someone who has admitted to changing their name (finally, after giving some cockamamie story about somebody else using their name for a while and then mysteriously evaporating)!

To me, Easy123 is a welcome break from the monotonous, dry opinion regurgitators that pretend to be thoughtful centrists, upinhereupinhere.

March 29, 2013 at 7:33 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "I'm sure, at some point in your own life, you will come to eat those words (progressives will be explaining to me how the government cannot be expected to pay for all of these expensive treatments for people)."

Do you really think that the government is not going to resort to rationing? You are a numbers guy, I think you know better. If you get your wish for a single payer health system you will find either significant limits on treatment provided or you will find the financial collapse of the country. Right now people’s inability to pay provides the cap. Under a single payer system it will be the single payer that will be setting the caps.

”You might be young. Your family might be healthy. But somewhere down the road, Karma will catch up with you or yours. I'd love to be there to witness it and to ask you if your loved one is worth saving for a day, a week, a month, or a year. Their going to die anyway, so why prolong the agony?”

Is this how progressive compassion works?

March 29, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.
Leaf said...

Interesting. I was just looking over some of the old opinion pieces archived on this site. The ones that always get the most action are about guns or religion. Why is it that guns and religion are somehow intertwined?

March 29, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

anniebelle said... “ Nobody, nowhere ever said you didn't have to pay for insurance premiums.”

You are correct, but I have said in the past that I pay as little as I can into insurance. I save for “routine” care so I can cover my $5000 deductible. I have discovered that I have been able to afford some rather extravagant elective care (not covered by insurance) because I have effectively freed myself from the chains of the insurance providers. My insurance plus out of pocket expenses are lower than if I had chosen to use the “Cadillac Plan” approach to health insurance. If I had figured this out earlier in life I figure I could have easily set myself up to have no use for Medicare.

“Private insurers that provide coverage for nearly 174 million Americans must now justify double-digit premium increases, and nearly 76 million Americans are covered by insurers that are now required to spend at least 80% of premium dollars on health care.”

If you were paying attention, you would know where the increases come from. They come from insuring those with preexisting conditions and mandated coverage for routine stuff that should not be a part of insurance. All of these things come at a cost. Just because Obama says otherwise does not make it so. I think Obamacare was intentionally designed to collapse the health care and insurance industries so that progressives can justify a complete government takeover. It is not the providers or insurance companies that are at fault.

March 29, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Leaf said... "Interesting. I was just looking over some of the old opinion pieces archived on this site. The ones that always get the most action are about guns or religion. Why is it that guns and religion are somehow intertwined?"

They are both natural rights recognized and protected by the Constitution but under attack from progressives. They are not intertwined beyond that.

March 29, 2013 at 9 a.m.
anniebelle said...

When I had my last surgery, I went to Benchmark for physical therapy. There was a woman there who never worked in her life, was on Medicare because she suffered two strokes from smoking and obesity. She told me her month at Erlanger was over $1 Million. Now, who do you think paid for that? Those of us who have insurance, that's who. So if all these people are going to have to 'buy' insurance, then it naturally follows, all insurance premiums will go down. Pre-existing conditions had NOTHING to do with it nor ever has.

March 29, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

anniebelle,

The government borrowed (40% of) the money to pay for it. Your children will be the ones who end up paying for it in one way or another. The government is going into debt at an alarming rate. None of the savings promised from Medicare have or will materialize. As Medicare costs overrun what was projected as a part of Obamacare we will see an acceleration of the debt problem.

The oppressive debt burden being created will make it so your children or grandchildren will not be able to afford the care given to the obese smoker you met, regardless of how the healthcare system is structured.

March 29, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
Leaf said...

Leaf said... "Interesting. I was just looking over some of the old opinion pieces archived on this site. The ones that always get the most action are about guns or religion. Why is it that guns and religion are somehow intertwined?"

BigRidgePatriot said... They are both natural rights recognized and protected by the Constitution but under attack from progressives. They are not intertwined beyond that.

Leaf is saying now...Well, I know this is off the topic, and I understand what you mean BigRidge and I don't necessarily disagree with you in principle. But philosphically speaking I would argue there are no "natural" rights. What we consider natural rights are ones we grant ourselves by our common understanding of human customs and mores - our social contract between each other, if you will.

Does a wolf have a natural right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Does the rabbit or the worm? No, they live if they can, they breed if possible, and they do the best for themselves within the framework of the world they inhabit.

Our current collective understanding in the US is that we all have the right to guns, but that isn't the collective understanding everywhere. And in the US we have the collective understanding that the individual does not have the right to own ground to air missiles. So I don't think those "rights" are somehow natural or god-given or anything special.

If the purpose of guns is personal protection, an assault rifle with a 30 round mag is too much. If the purpose of guns is to prepare for the overthrow of the government, then we really should have ground to air missiles and belt-fed heavy machine guns. If we have those things, we'll have to learn to live with, in addition to the type of school shootings we've already apparently learned to live with, airliners being shot down and the occasional large school massacre from long range. Can't have it both ways.

March 29, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Alprova says,

That may well be what happens, but I am not convinced that insurers are going to be that stupid.

Why?

Because they know doggone well that if they raise their rates to such a degree, they are going to be put out of business.

Al, again that is my precise point. They will have to go out of business. As someone said above you are a numbers guy. Insurances are in it for profit, (even "not for profits"), and they will have to raise their rates to compensate for insuring preexisting conditions along with the ones that are typically uninsurable. Not to mention the millions of fees Obama is collecting from them to help pay for Obamacare.

We will have a one payor system sooner than later unless something is done to curb Obama's agenda.

Disclaimer* THIS IS MY OPINION. PLEASE NO ONE CALL ME A LIAR BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE PROVED. THANKS, NFJ**

March 29, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
NGAdad said...

Dude, though quite the changeling, JonRoss portends to renovate properties either for himself to then rent or to help complicit owners rid themselves of environmental hazards... illegally and harmful to the surrounding citizens and businesses. I actually had to ban all my employees from returning to our business because of this arse's demolition activity - then detox and move my entire business.

March 29, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Leaf,

If you have not already done so, I recommend that you read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat. He does a pretty good job of doing a logical proof of why freedom of religion and freedom to defend yourself are natural rights.

There certainly are instances when a rifle with a 30 round magazine is an appropriate tool for self-defense. When you are trapped in the middle of a riot trying to stay alive and defend your property comes to mind. In light of the level of social tension these days that is not a farfetched scenario.

Finally, Afghanistan and the resistance made possible by a heavily armed populace has created great difficulty for both the US and the former Soviet Union. Afghanistan is small potatoes compared to the US.

March 29, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nurseforjustice said... "THIS IS MY OPINION. PLEASE NO ONE CALL ME A LIAR BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE PROVED. THANKS, NFJ"

If everyone could just remember this is an opinion page! The purpose of a page like this is supposed to be to serve as a place for people to express differing opinions, right? It is too bad that some insist that their opinions are facts and feel justified in trying to suppress opposing viewpoints with personal attacks and name calling.

March 29, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"The purpose of a page like this is supposed to be to serve as a place for people to express differing opinions, right? It is too bad that some insist that their opinions are facts and feel justified in trying to suppress opposing viewpoints with personal attacks and name calling."

Differing opinions are fine. Lies and misinformation isn't. When your opinion is verifiably wrong, such as the following opinion: "Obama will CONTROL my healthcare and ration it after 1/1/14. So that sick child will reduce the care that my OWN sick child has. That is a crime.", your opinion will be exposed for what it is: bullsh!t. I have no insisted that my opinion is fact. I have and will continue to insist that the facts are, indeed, facts.

No opinions are being suppressed. Lies and misinformation is being exposed. If you have a problem with the, I DO NOT CARE. If you cannot deal in facts, then you will be called out on it.

You claim to want "intelligent discourse", but what you really want is people to agree with you or not question your opinion. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that isn't intelligent or honest debate.

Your indignation means nothing to me. You are a hypocrite. And as long as you continue to act like one, you will continue to be called on it.

March 29, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

fairmon,

"do you think easy was a bully in school or the one bullied?"

Fallacious. False dilema. There are more than two options. I was neither bullied nor was I a bully.

"The anonymity of the computer and a forum like this enabling him to attack and name call if he disagrees is an ego booster for him."

I do not attack people for disagreeing with me. I attack people for telling lies and trying to pass misinformation off as truth. It doesn't not serve as an ego boost either.

"Keep in mind some people attempt to escalate themselves by saying how bad they think someone else is."

I haven't said anything about how "bad" I think anyone else is. I am just exposing lies, misinformation and ignorance. It's that simple.

"Those days when people posted their views and opinions and left it at that appear to be gone."

No, they aren't. Those days when people can spout their propaganda, lies and get away with it is gone.

"It is not enough to ask questions or to say I respectfully disagree and explain why."

When you present lies and misinformation, I will not "respectfully disagree". I will call it out for what it is and you for what you are.

"It seems many read an article by some journalist or politician that says what they want to hear and what they already think and assume that makes it true."

This would seem to be directed at the WingNuts on this page.

March 29, 2013 at 1:04 p.m.
jesse said...

Easy NEEDS to get himself a girlfriend!

Might help him lightin up before he has a stroke or sumpin!

March 29, 2013 at 1:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Most of us here have gotten used to his lack of self control so we just have to laugh when he loses it."

It isn't a lack of self-control. I fully mean every word I say. When you say things like Obama is a Communist/Socialst, etc. or Saul Alinsky was a Communist, and a whole slew of other ridiculous, hypocritical things you've said here before, I will label you ignorant and a hypocrite.

I will label you these things because 1.) the things you've said are blatantly false and the verity of those statements can be proved or disproved through a simple Google search. The fact that you espouse beliefs that are demonstrably and patently false would lead me to believe that you are, in fact, ignorant. 2.) when you chastise me for calling someone a name, but ignore JonRoss when he calls President Obama a bastard or joneses when he calls Ikeithlu a "dike" and a "whore", it leads me to the conclusion that you are, in fact, a hypocrite.

That doesn't just apply to you, degage, but anyone here that fits that criteria.

March 29, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

Thanks for the commentary, Al Michaels.

Troll away.

March 29, 2013 at 1:11 p.m.
degage said...

Easy I do believe I flagged JonRoss more than once, I didn't announce it to you, So you go on your tirade about me. Not a problem, As I posted it really gets comical when you get your hackles up. have also flagged you and didn't announce it.

March 29, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"I do believe I flagged JonRoss more than once, I didn't announce it to you,"

And? It still doesn't reconcile the fact that you openly chastise me and no one else. You're still a hypocrite. You're the same person that chastised every "liberal" here for not calling out people on Twitter that made racist and sexist jokes about Mia Love. Do I need to go back into the archives to refresh your memory?

"So you go on your tirade about me. Not a problem,"

It's not a tirade. It's the truth.

"As I posted it really gets comical when you get your hackles up."

No, it doesn't. That's just what you'd have everyone believe. Every time I post something about you being a hypocrite with evidence and all, you always give the same or similar response. You always try to act as if I'm angry or riled up or, as you just said, going on a tirade.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not angry. My hackles are firmly in place. I don't care if you say anything to me or not about anything I post or anyone else for that matter. I'm just showing everyone and yourself how hypocritical you are.

March 29, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
jesse said...

All you are showing is what an unmitigated ASS you are Easy,you just don't have the smarts to realize it!

March 29, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

BRP's smugness and pride in thinking he's got all the bases covered financially and that insurance is more of an extravagance than a necessity is downright laughable...and stupid. Of course it's prudent to save as much as we can and to self-insure to whatever extent we can, but there are many catastrophic illnesses and injuries that could strike anyone at any time that no amount of savings would be enough, unless that person is a multi-millionaire or billionaire. Most Americans are struggling just to pay their mortgage or rent, put food on the table, and raise their kids; they don't have the luxury of socking away tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars to cover medical expenses and many can't even afford a bare-bones health insurance policy. BRP, if you are among the top 1%, then you might well have all your bases covered, but if you are not, then all it will take will be one diagnosis of cancer or Parkinson's disease or Muscular Dystrophy or Multiple Sclerosis or an organ transplant or an accident that puts you in ICU for weeks...or any number of other accidents or illnesses that you might never have imagined. There are many things that can happen to anyone at any time that no amount of exercise, healthy eating, and wise investing can prepare us for. It's great that you have been able to save and to self-insure to whatever extent you have, but you are extremely naïve and foolish if you think that you are fully protected against some accident or illness wiping out your savings entirely. And if you have a high-deductible catastrophic health plan in place, well, you might one day end up thanking Obama and Obamacare for making insurance companies toe the line and not drop your coverage once it's "maxed out" at a million or two million dollars, as they have done to so many people in the past.

It's disgusting the way you libertarians and so-called "rugged individualists" blame others for being lazy or stupid for not saving or preparing or making better plans for their future and you don't even acknowledge your own bit of good fortune along the way, or the unavoidable misfortunes that have occurred to others that have forced them into dire straits. Your smugness and arrogance will come back to bite you in the butt one day.

March 29, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

Thank you for commentary.

Troll away.

March 29, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy123 said... "I DO NOT CARE. If you cannot deal in facts, then you will be called out on it."

Perfect, the self-appointed politically correct policeman has thus loudly spoketh!

March 29, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"Perfect, the self-appointed politically correct policeman has thus loudly spoketh!"

If everyone could just remember this is an opinion page! The purpose of a page like this is supposed to be to serve as a place for people to express differing opinions, right? It is too bad that some insist that their opinions are facts and feel justified in trying to suppress opposing viewpoints with personal attacks.

LMFAO! It seems like you have a little problem with dissenting opinions and recognizing facts. You also have a huge problem with criticism. Go back to the drawing board, my whiny contemporary. Your bullsh!t won't fly here!

This isn't about politically correct. This is about true and false. If you have a problem with facts, it would serve you well to get over it because I'm not going anywhere.

Alprova said it best, "You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

:-)

March 29, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
alprova said...

NFJ wrote: "Al, again that is my precise point. They will have to go out of business. As someone said above you are a numbers guy."

That I am, and my belief is that once insurance companies are given a whole bunch of healthy insureds to offset those with the pre-existing issues, that a balance will have been achieved that they have been seeking for years.

"Insurances are in it for profit, (even "not for profits"), and they will have to raise their rates to compensate for insuring preexisting conditions along with the ones that are typically uninsurable. Not to mention the millions of fees Obama is collecting from them to help pay for Obamacare."

Refer to my first paragraph. It's not going to come overnight, but if ObamaCare is successful in driving people to obtain coverage, everything will fall into place.

"We will have a one payor system sooner than later unless something is done to curb Obama's agenda."

Obama's agenda is to insure most Americans...nothing more. It's quite premature to assume that it will be single payer time in the near future.

"Disclaimer* THIS IS MY OPINION. PLEASE NO ONE CALL ME A LIAR BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE PROVED. THANKS, NFJ..."**

Opinions are still all over the place. Time will tell who comes closest to being correct.

March 29, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
Easy123 said...

alprova,

Are you covered under Medicare or personal health insurance?

March 29, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I have this image of Easy hunkered over the keyboard in a dark room with "Absolute Zero" blaring.

March 29, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

Your baseless, strange opinion has been duly noted.

I'm very conscious of my posture. Too few have good posture. And I'm more of a Metallica man. Stone Sour is a like Nickelback on speed. Far too gentle for my taste.

:-)

March 29, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
jesse said...

I see him more as havin Justin Bieber cranked up to the max!!

March 29, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Opinions are still all over the place. Time will tell who comes closest to being correct."

Yep!

I, among many, predict that when insurance becomes too expensive for many the same government that created the current nightmare will blame private insurance on the problem and use the latest "crisis" as the lever to enact single payer.

Anyone that is paying attention knows that is Obama's real intention.

March 29, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy123 said... "Your baseless, strange opinion has been duly noted."

baseless?

...My mouth is a gun I can shoot

I can show you the truth...

...If I offended you, you needed it!

It sounds like your theme song!

March 29, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

Do they play a lot of Justin Bieber at Brown Acres? LMFAO!

March 29, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Do you really think that the government is not going to resort to rationing?"

The Government is not going to be making health care decisions on behalf of a soul. Insurance companies are going to have that role, just as they do now.

"You are a numbers guy, I think you know better."

It's not a matter of numbers. It's a matter of understanding how ObamaCare is being set up. The goal is to insure as many Americans as possible.

"If you get your wish for a single payer health system you will find either significant limits on treatment provided or you will find the financial collapse of the country."

Who pays for their costs today, as things are done now? If you were using a lick of sense, you would realize that the uninsured, the poor, and those with chronic illnesses are being assisted by the taxpayers today.

ObamaCare, when fully implemented, will reduce some of those costs by tranferring them to be paid by insurance companies, rather than straight from the Government coffers.

Remember, insurance premiums are much cheaper than hospital bills.

"Right now people’s inability to pay provides the cap. Under a single payer system it will be the single payer that will be setting the caps."

Let's cross that bridge if and when it comes on the horizon. Right now anything we surmise is mere speculation. There are many nations that have full-blown nationalized health care, many of which do an excellent job of providing it too.

Why would it be impossible for the United States to do it better?

"Is this how progressive compassion works?"

Sir, I was merely emulating the sentiment you, yourself expressed in regards to others.

You wrote, "Eventually you "progressives" will be explaining to me how the government cannot be expected to pay for all of these expensive treatments for people who do not have much life left anyway."

Anyone who values life for any and all would never type such a thing. You apparently value money more than life itself.

Shame...shame...shame.

March 29, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

How is it my theme song, yet you can quote the lyrics verbatim?

It's baseless because I don't hunker over my keyboard and listen to Stone Sour. But I applaud you for making a lyrical connection. You must be well versed in the Stone Sour playlist.

Make sense?

March 29, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

We can all rest assured that Easy is not as obnoxious in person as he is behind the cover of an anonymous forum. The boy would get the snot knocked out of him on a daily basis.

March 29, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.
jesse said...

Nope, i'm more of a King Crimson,pink floyd,ten years after type myself(rock)

But mostly i dig blues and jazz!

March 29, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"We can all rest assured that Easy is not as obnoxious in person as he is behind the cover of an anonymous forum."

LMFAO! You want to bet?

"The boy would get the snot knocked out of him on a daily basis."

Well, if you really think so! Those are big words about someone you've never met in person before.

:-)

March 29, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

What kind of blues do you listen to? How do you feel about Stevie Ray Vaughan? Muddy Waters? Buddy Guy? Freddie King? If you haven't heard of him, Youtube search for Son House. One of my favorites of all time.

I love the blues and jazz. I have every album Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa ever played on. Love jazz drums.

March 29, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
degage said...

How many of the thousands of pages of the health care regulations has anyone here read. Until you read and understand you cannot accurately say one way or the other. I tried to understand the 2700 pages of the initial bill but found it really full of holes. otherwise not clear. No wonder Conyers said he couldn't read, as he put it you would need a dozen lawyers to understand it , so he blindly voted for it on Obamas promise that that is what we need.

March 29, 2013 at 2:40 p.m.
jesse said...

I'm into all those! My fav.on drums was Joe Morelo !

Go to youtube and listen to the Brubek quartet do "Unsquare Dance"!

Joe is beatin out an ungodly rhythm on the rim of his drum and never misses a lick!

Hang on and i.ll post a link!!

March 29, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I've heard "Unsquare Dance" many times. Love it!

YouTube search for Buddy Rich solo from The Hague. Superb!

March 29, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Easy123 wrote: "alprova, Are you covered under Medicare or personal health insurance?"

I'm covered through the PCIP coverage set up mid-2011 by the DHS.

My Wife has coverage through her employer.

March 29, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mtngrl said...

“So you believe it was more moral to not insure people with pre-existing conditions? More moral for people who only have the "right" job to even get access to insurance?

I know people with cancer, epilepsy, and other conditions that previously made them uninsurable ….”


“AccessTN provides comprehensive health insurance for Tennesseans who are uninsurable due to pre-existing medical conditions. Three different plans are available with varying deductibles and participants can select the plan that is best for their situation.

Premiums are capped at no more than two times standard market rates, which is frequently less than the rates applicants would pay for HIPAA plans. In general, premiums will range between $284 and $1,225 per month, depending on age, weight and tobacco use as well as the coverage plan chosen by the participant.”

From the Cover Tennessee web site

In the past there was premium assistance, paid by the government, to help pay the premiums on this coverage with the insured usually only paying 10% to 50% of the premium. This was intended for those that make too much income to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to pay the full premiums. Those assistance funds have been fully applied and no new premium assistance is offered. If the Federal government would release the funds to Tennessee to use for this purpose instead of expanding Medicaid coverage the state could continue to assist with premium payments. This would not obligate the state to millions of dollars of additional expenditures after the initial 3 year period that the federal government covers 100% of expanded Medicaid coverage.

March 29, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "How many of the thousands of pages of the health care regulations has anyone here read."

I haven't read it all word for word, but I have read it quite extensively over the last two years, and referred to it many times.

PDF files are easy to browse using the index supplied to find what it is that you are looking for.

March 29, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mtngrl said...

“So life saving treatments are only morally entitled to the wealthy... A child with cancer should just die in order no pennies are taken from your pocket... That is a great description of modern day Conservative morals.”


“CoverKids is comprehensive health insurance available to uninsured children age 18 and under with household income below 250 percent of the federal poverty level. Refer to the table of qualifying incomes based on federal poverty guidelines to see if your child qualifies. Additionally, pregnant women who meet other eligibility criteria can receive maternity coverage through CoverKids.”

From the Cover Tennessee web site

March 29, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"If you haven't heard of him, Youtube search for Son House. One of my favorites of all time. --Easy123"

That is quite possibly the best advice I have ever read in this forum. Son House was a great slide guitar player, but some of his most powerful recordings were just him sitting in a chair, clapping his hands, stamping his feet, and singing. No "auto tune" or "pitch perfect", just a man and his voice. Jack White has done a great service to music by turning on so many young people to Son House.

Perhaps I am guilty of preaching to the choir with this one, but I strongly suggest giving Elmore James a listen. I will stop there as I have been accused in the past of being "obsessed" with Elmore James.

March 29, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
jesse said...

About 2/3rds of Chuck Berry's stuff came directly from Elmore James!Most noteably the opening riff from Johnny B. Goode!!

here's one i bet you guys never heard of "Snooks Eglan"

His version of "NINE POUND STEEL" is the BEST blues song i EVER heard! Blind dude played on street corners in Big Easy till he got "descoverd" ! Just died 3 or 4 years ago!

March 29, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy123 said... "How is it my theme song...It's baseless because..."

This is another fine demonstration of the way Easy's mind works. He cannot comprehend that his behavior has created an image of him in my mind that seems to have something in common with the lyrics of a Stone Sour song. In his mind he has no culpability for the image he has helped create, he wants to talk about his reality. Since his reality does not match with the image he has helped create there must be some other explanation, I am a Stone Sour fan? Surely, it must somehow be my fault!

Never mind the fact that I was playing the radio when I got up from my desk, heard the song, and thought I could have been hearing Easy singing… Easy somehow used his powers of deductive reasoning to figure out that I am “well versed in the Stone Sour playlist”. No danger of this cat ever coming to wrong conclusions and interpreting them as fact. Nope.

March 29, 2013 at 4:22 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Jesse, good call on Snooks Eaglin. That man had the most talented right hand of any guitar player I have ever had the opportunity to witness. Chet Atkins is the only strummer I would even dare to compare with Snooks. I dabble in guitars and if you want my advice, don't even try to figure out Snooks' chords...They are damn near impossible to emulate.

March 29, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

“Actually, if anyone cares to take even the slightest look, it's always been the Republican rightistS who spend and SPEND and SPEND”


All spending originates in the U.S. Congress.

Since 1933, when the new Deal started, the House of Representatives has had a majority of Republican members in only 18 years out of the total of 80 years. The Senate has only had a majority of Republicans in 20 of those years. The vast majority of our federal spending through those years and even today is dictated by the spending programs that were passed by the Democrats during the near 75% of the time that they controlled Congress.

That’s not to say that all of the spending was bad or excessive but you did ask for the “slightest look” as to who spent the most.

March 29, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
jesse said...

Ya surprised me Dawg! Snooks was pretty obscure unless you were really deep into stuff! Talkin about his chords, did he use concert tuning? I know Robert Fripp came up w/his own tuning which he said came to him in a dream! My Fav. guitarist of all time is Roy Buchannan, i don't think anybody ever did or ever will come close to him!Hindrix ain't even close tho Danny Gatton could give hin a run!!

March 29, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
degage said...

Jesse, You are old enough to remember Gene Krupa on the drums. As a kid I had a record of just him on the drums. He could make the drums talk. dates me I know.

March 29, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
jesse said...

Sure do degage! My dad was a big band fanatic and the firs time i heard Krupa was on some of his 78 Benny Goodman albums when i was 10 or 11 years old!

March 29, 2013 at 8:46 p.m.
mosquito said...

Sorry I'm late to the party.. Only a few things here

First, I don't mind a bit to pay a little more per week if it means that people get some quality care that wouldn't otherwise.

The devil they say is in the details..

And to a few on here that keep suggesting that disdain for the Obama administrations policies is somehow hatred for a whole race of people is quite petty if not downright intellectually dishonest.

Are there some racists on here, probably so. Could it be that they are just waking up more now that a Democrat is president when they chose to slumber while the Shrub rode shotgun to the Evil Genius??

Maybe.. But I personally take offense to the accusations of racism simply because some of us tend to point out the truth no matter who it involves. Some on here claim to do so but fall short.

I was opposed to George Bush. Whether right or wrong I backed Dr.Ron Paul.. I am opposed to Pres.Obama, or it is Barry Soetoro?? Many of us felt proud for the country, not Barack Obama, but the country on his first election hoping just hoping that some of this racism crap was really starting to fade away into the dust bin of history.

But the more I watch the more I see the likes of the Rev. Al's and the Rev.Jesse's etc. and some here throw out the racism accusations whether it is warranted or not. If you don't have a legitimate response to an argument then calling someone racist is a surefire way to change the subject..

If those on here have such proof of racist acts then bring it.. If not how bout sticking to the facts.

Personally I would think (only my opinion)that we could put the kibosh on a few military projects each year , say the overthrow of Libya, Egypt etc. and put those funds towards helping people here at home. We are really good at killing people overseas but not so much when it comes to helping our fellow Americans.

March 29, 2013 at 11:33 p.m.
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