published Sunday, May 12th, 2013

The Whistle

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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dude_abides said...

This whistle should come with headphones.

May 12, 2013 at 12:05 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Oh boy! Every challenge to Obama is political. Everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault. Never mind that he is a horrible president that is doing great harm to this country, we need to distract from his failures by criticising anyone who would dare challenge him over his failures.

May 12, 2013 at 12:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Whistleblower Greg Hicks is reportedly a democrat, having voted twice for Obama. Fairly conspiratorial, eh?

May 12, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
hambone said...

The whistle would be all but mute if it wasn't for all the insistant amplification by the GOP!

May 12, 2013 at 12:44 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Kill the messenger!

Is this really a serious and mature depiction of what is occurring?

If the whistle blower is revealing the evil dealings of organizations that you oppose then they all God's angles for speaking truth to power. However when your side gets caught on the wrong side of ethic or the law and are called out these people are scum of the earth partisan hacks.

Did anybody really think that when Mr. Bennett was forced to deal with this subject that a realistic treatment would result?

It is beyond obvious that the Obama administration had a very bad week and the Democratic loyalists are in full damage control mode. The before, during, and after periods of the Benghazi affair were prime examples of incompetence and malfeasance by many members of the administration. Then this week we find out that they were participating in Nixonian style political hardball by illegally targeting political opponents for IRS harassment.

All of this was done in the service of Obama’s reelection efforts so the rationalization of the activities comes much easier for those that see the ends justify the means since their side is on the side of all that is right and good about humanity.

May 12, 2013 at 12:46 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

RULE 12:

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

This should be read and explained to every person that is considering speaking the sometimes very hurtful truth about the powers that be.

May 12, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Not only did Greg Hicks, a registered Democrat vote for Obama in both elections; he also voted for Hillary Clinton in the Primary.

May 12, 2013 at 12:56 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Lisa Myers on the Morning Joe Show:

"There is something called Benghazi going on," said Myers. "And I think the Democrats now are starting to worry about it. I started--I got calls from a number of Democrats yesterday trying to undermine Greg Hicks's testimony, saying he was demoted, etc. So I think they feel that some damage was done by those three witnesses on Wednesday."

No, there is no coordination of effort between the MSM and the Left (We already know that Mr. Bennett is doing his part) or at least we would be less aware of it if this person hadn’t blurted this out on national T.V.

May 12, 2013 at 1:03 a.m.

The falsified talking points were politically-driven. It should come as no surprise that the cover-up was first exposed by the administration’s political opponents. Congressional Democrats are now also calling for more hearings and for more documents to be released. The press is slowly becoming less willing to provide cover for the Obama White House. Clay is 3-4 days behind.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/us/politics/benghazi-e-mails-put-white-house-on-the-defensive.html?pagewanted=all http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benghazi-scandal-grows_722032.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22483768 www.cnn.com/2013/05/10/politics/bengh... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/us/politics/benghazi-e-mails-put-white-house-on-the-defensive.html?pagewanted=all

May 12, 2013 at 1:07 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Oh boy! Every challenge to Obama is political."

Be very careful. If every challenge is NOT political, as in it being due to disagreements with him for political reasons, then racial bigotry comes creeping back into the picture every time.

That is no surprise to people like myself, but if some of you are going to pretend to not be closet bigots, at least be consistent.

"Everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault."

Of course it would be nice if you would be a bit more specific as to what you are referring to.

"Never mind that he is a horrible president that is doing great harm to this country, we need to distract from his failures by criticising anyone who would dare challenge him over his failures."

I've been waiting for more than four years for a list of "failures" that President Obama is responsible for, and to date, no one can offer a legitimate list of these alleged "failures."

I do have a list of his successes and accomplishments.

Unemployment is falling, despite an all-out effort by Republicans to sit on their hands and do nothing. It's as if every single Republican screws up their face every time a positive number comes out. Does any Republican candidate seriously expect to take credit for a thing related to our recovering economy?

Housing is on track to set records by this summer. No President has done more to use realistic and sensible methods to boost the ideal of home ownership without demanding risky lending practices to achieve those numbers.

Our nation's stock markets have achieved a new milestone, despite recent reforms imposed by the Obama Administration to prohibit fraud and corruption.

One war has ended, the other is on track to be ended as planned.

Now let's focus on something that pertains to us locally. Right here in our area, manufacturing jobs are coming back to life. Several manufacturers have announced hiring binges. 200, 300, 500 jobs have made the news. Would all these new jobs be possible if the President was a failure?

Banks and financial institutions are now under the microscope they should have been decades ago. Wall street is thriving, despite them being under a microscope.

Investment in green energy is at an all-time high. Yes, there have been notable failures, but investment in new technology and energy has always resulted in a certain amount of failure and contrary to the opinions of some, the percentage of failure has NOT risen.

And despite the continued hype, misinformation, and opinions of many, ObamaCare will go on to be the President's greatest accomplishment, no matter how it plays out.

It will undergo many, many tweaks and changes before it settles into the first major reform effort to fix long broken health care system that every American needs, deserves, and should have equal access to.

May 12, 2013 at 1:17 a.m.
alprova said...

WWWTW wrote: "The falsified talking points were politically-driven."

The CIA has taken full responsibility for those talking points and there is not a shred of evidence to suggest otherwise.

"It should come as no surprise that the cover-up was first exposed by the administration’s political opponents."

What has been "exposed?" Nothing at all. Accusations and allegations are not evidence.

It scares me to death to think that some of you people might sit on a jury one day and be responsible for delivering a verdict that may deprive someone of their freedom or their life, based on sheer accusation and circumstantial evidence that misses the mark as proof.

"Congressional Democrats are now also calling for more hearings and for more documents to be released."

Cane you name these alleged Congressional Democrats?

Massachusetts Representative Steve Lynch is the ONLY Democrat who has offered his OPINION on the matter and he did it on Fox News this past Sunday.

Several Democrats have agreed that Susan Rice's statements were incorrect, which nobody disputes at all, but they do not agree that it rises to the level as a scandal and certainly not a crime by anyone involved.

"The press is slowly becoming less willing to provide cover for the Obama White House. Clay is 3-4 days behind."

Such an assumption is quite silly. The Republicans have been looking for a smoking gun for eight months. What does the press have to do with any outcome of any of their efforts to blame anyone for anything?

Some of you people keep make such statements as if Congressional investigators relies upon the press to deliver to them any and all evidence that would make their case.

Have you people forgotten that when GWB was President, that charges of bias in favor of the Republicans was rampant?

I sure do.

The press, as a general rule, tends to be slanted in their reporting in favor of the party perceived to have the most power.

No one is "covering for" Obama. If the Republicans can ever prove one of their assertions, it will be reported for all to read or see.

May 12, 2013 at 1:49 a.m.
hambone said...

Remember all the congressional hearings after 240 marines died in Beirut Lebanon?

I don't either!

May 12, 2013 at 2:04 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Mr Hicks revelations seem to be nothing more than his opinions, second guessing what might have been done differently during a few short hours during and after the Benghazi attack. There is nothing much to credit or discredit Hick's opinions and he is entitled to them, but he didn't reveal any intentional wrong-doing on the part of anyone, only second guessing.

The whistle that Mr Hicks could have blown was the heavy involvement of the State Department diplomatic corp with the covert (and almost assuredly unlawful) activities of the CIA. That's the skunk that neither the Ds nor the Rs will talk about. Mr Hicks was most likely fully involved in that.

The State Department (through the CIA) armed and funded the rebellion that toppled Gaddafi. The US (through the CIA) was in the process of shipping Libyan arms and money to Syrian rebels to undermine the Assad regime. At least some of the Benghazi Libyan rebels turned on the US after accepting US support earlier. That is what Hick's could have revealed. That is the story that the American people need to learn about...the undermining of legitimate governments that are out of favour with the US.

The Obama administration, like the administrations before him, have to stop extra-legal interventions in the affairs of other countries. That's the scandal.

That is part of why the US has become the most despised country on earth. We were once the good guys, now we are not.

May 12, 2013 at 2:10 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Alprova - Your running scared that Obama’s second term is going to be a further disaster and that your princess Hillary is going to be rendered damaged goods. Playing the race card and trying to divert attention from this train wreck is not going to work.

I have seen where you claim to be a registered Republican but have switched voting preference to the Democratic Party on the state and national level. That you maintain this charade due to cowardice and concern for materialistic gain that revealing your true identity would hurt you financially and socially in your community. That is the Republicanism of mid-twentieth century that went along to get along in defence of those two concerns. Its the prime reason I have never joined the Republican Party and continue to resist being identified with them until you type is purged or die off.

May 12, 2013 at 2:19 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hambone said...

Remember all the congressional hearings after 240 marines died in Beirut Lebanon?

I don't either!


I know what you mean.

There was probably intelligence that the attack was likely to occur but security was not provided.

Wait, weren’t these people … the security types? Heavily armed Marines right?

During the attack no back up was provided during the extended period it occurred.

Wait, weren't these Marines … the heavily armed backup types? And the attack lasted a whole 2 seconds from ignition thru shock-wave.

After the attack the Reagan administration swore that it wasn’t an attack at all but the crazy Lebanese that lived next door to the barracks where having an out of control beer bust. They tried to put a whole frozen goat into their deep-fry coat cooker and it exploded, killing everyone in the surrounding area.

Wait, didn’t the Reagan administration actually report the real story of the bomb attack?

For weeks after the attack the Reagan administration apologized to everyone they came in contact with for the fact that our own Marines were the ones that actually got the Lebanese drunk in return for them coming over and getting the Marines’ lawn mower running.

Wait, didn’t the Marines hire out their lawn care to the neighborhood kids that used goat herds for mowing purposes?

Nothing more was ever said about this event.

Wait, didn’t Reagan catch holy he!! over this occurring under his command?

May 12, 2013 at 2:26 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck -

The Obama administration’s “extra-legal interventions in the affairs of other countries” especially the unleashing of the so called “Arab Spring” is one of many scandals. His interference in that part of the world has resulted in great harm and that shoe is about to hit the floor as that region spirals more and more out of control.

May 12, 2013 at 2:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

Neither party wants to know the truth for totally different reasons. The democrats because the allegations may be true and the republicans because they may not be. Both prefer talking it to death until the public memory fades and the media interest subsides. It should not be much longer until all is forgotten.

May 12, 2013 at 3:40 a.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "Alprova - Your (sic) running scared that Obama’s second term is going to be a further disaster and that your princess Hillary is going to be rendered damaged goods."

I'm not scared one bit, and no amount of hammering by anyone is going to drive that nail close to home.

A year from now, both of their reputations will be quite intact, with the exception of the same detractors that hate 'em both now.

"Playing the race card and trying to divert attention from this train wreck is not going to work."

In the absence of any substantive objections that make sense, it all boils down to his race and there isn't a day of the week that passes that I do not run across someone who refers to the man with the "N" word.

You're free to deny anything and everything, which you do quite well, but the truth will stand when the world is on fire.

"I have seen where you claim to be a registered Republican but have switched voting preference to the Democratic Party on the state and national level."

You haven't been paying attention. The ONLY Democrat Party candidates I have ever voted for since 1976 were Presidential candidates.

"That you maintain this charade due to cowardice and concern for materialistic gain that revealing your true identity would hurt you financially and socially in your community."

My political views are no secret to anyone who knows me personally and I absolutely do not mix business with politics.

Lady, you need to get a grip on something; I work for what I own and I always have. No one has given me a thing my entire adult life, save for a plot of land that I inherited in 2005.

I have nothing materialistic or financial to gain through my current rejection of most national Republicans and my support of Barack Obama.

The only benefit I have received since he has been in office is that I now have access to health care insurance coverage that was previously denied me at every turn. I pay my premiums every single month and yes, I am very grateful to the President for my small slice of ObamaCare. Sue me.

"Its the prime reason I have never joined the Republican Party and continue to resist being identified with them until you[r] type is purged or die off."

What I assume that you seek in the Republican Party will NEVER come about. Since you love to argue the semantical side of everything, it's really hard to understand just exactly what it is that you do believe in.

You hate Obama, but you have never made it clear as to why.

May 12, 2013 at 3:52 a.m.
alprova said...

Nucanuck wrote: "Mr Hicks revelations seem to be nothing more than his opinions, second guessing what might have been done differently during a few short hours during and after the Benghazi attack."

That is EXACTLY what I heard as well.

"There is nothing much to credit or discredit Hick's opinions and he is entitled to them, but he didn't reveal any intentional wrong-doing on the part of anyone, only second guessing."

Amen.

"The whistle that Mr Hicks could have blown was the heavy involvement of the State Department diplomatic corp with the covert (and almost assuredly unlawful) activities of the CIA. That's the skunk that neither the Ds nor the Rs will talk about. Mr Hicks was most likely fully involved in that."

Hhhhmmmmm. That's a very interesting theory. It makes perfect sense too.

"The State Department (through the CIA) armed and funded the rebellion that toppled Gaddafi. The US (through the CIA) was in the process of shipping Libyan arms and money to Syrian rebels to undermine the Assad regime. At least some of the Benghazi Libyan rebels turned on the US after accepting US support earlier. That is what Hick's could have revealed. That is the story that the American people need to learn about...the undermining of legitimate governments that are out of favour with the US."

Preach on Pastor!!

"The Obama administration, like the administrations before him, have to stop extra-legal interventions in the affairs of other countries. That's the scandal."

Amen, amen, and amen again...

"That is part of why the US has become the most despised country on earth. We were once the good guys, now we are not."

It's sad to admit that, but I take no responsibility for those policies. I can't stop out leaders from doing a thing. They will have to answer to God for their sins.

May 12, 2013 at 4:04 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said..

Housing is on track to set records by this summer. No President has done more to use realistic and sensible methods to boost the ideal of home ownership without demanding risky lending practices to achieve those numbers.

The Federal Reserve is the source of the turn in housing? The tax payer through Fannie and Freddie are hanging out again. The president or congress deserve no credit for any economic improvement. The markets are reacting to ultra low interest rates and the infusion of new money into the economy. Don't get me wrong, I love it. I had a better year than I could have imagined and on track to do the same this year. At some point inflation will reduce the perceived size of the debt. People pay the price of inflation with the reduced value of the dollar if their income and investment returns don't equal or exceed it.

Over 800,000 dropped out of the job market last month, gave up looking for a job, with no more than 1/3 as many jobs added. Unemployment keeps dropping but the percent of eligible workers employed is no better.

The president is given credit or blame although he had nothing to do with the results. Congress is the culprit and they, both parties, are dysfunctional. You think Obama is the greatest and I think he is the among the worst presidents ever.

May 12, 2013 at 4:06 a.m.
EaTn said...

The major decision for the right-wing news now is do they continue to use Benghazi to stop Hillary in 2016, or the IRS against Obama's agenda? Of course, only right-wingers pay attention, so it will be like the minister preaching to the choir.

May 12, 2013 at 5:58 a.m.
anniebelle said...

I don't suppose you heard these 'facts' on Faux News(sic). For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department's Worldwide Security Protection program -- well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration's request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration's request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans' proposed cuts to her department would be "detrimental to America's national security" -- a charge Republicans rejected.

Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan's budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security. Maybe that had something to do with not enough security, ya' think?

May 12, 2013 at 6:05 a.m.
conservative said...

All day long, all night long.

Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Mathew 11:28-30

May 12, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.

Alprova said:

The CIA has taken full responsibility for those talking points and there is not a shred of evidence to suggest otherwise. What has been "exposed?" Nothing at all. Accusations and allegations are not evidence.

It scares me to death to think that some of you people might sit on a jury one day and be responsible for delivering a verdict that may deprive someone of their freedom or their life, based on sheer accusation and circumstantial evidence that misses the mark as proof.

Cane (sic) you name these alleged Congressional Democrats? Massachusetts Representative Steve Lynch is the ONLY Democrat who has offered his OPINION on the matter and he did it on Fox News this past Sunday.

Several Democrats have agreed that Susan Rice's statements were incorrect, which nobody disputes at all, but they do not agree that it rises to the level as a scandal and certainly not a crime by anyone involved.

Such an assumption is quite silly. The Republicans have been looking for a smoking gun for eight months. What does the press have to do with any outcome of any of their efforts to blame anyone for anything?

Some of you people keep make such statements as if Congressional investigators relies upon the press to deliver to them any and all evidence that would make their case. No one is "covering for" Obama. If the Republicans can ever prove one of their assertions, it will be reported for all to read or see.


BBC:

This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack"

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well

The new documents contain two rationales for the changes in language. The first is that it would prejudice the FBI investigation. Perhaps, but I am not at all persuaded.

The other reason given, old-fashioned butt-guarding, is more credible. As Ms Nuland puts it, such a report "could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either?"

However you read the motives, the state department and apparently the White House did get the CIA to change its story.

This is now very serious, and I suspect heads will roll. The White House will be on the defensive for a while.

May 12, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.

Alprova, read the other articles to which I provided links for but a sample of evidence that you are even farther behind and more ostrich-like than Bennett in your defense your god, the Intern.

May 12, 2013 at 7:51 a.m.
delmar said...

Perhaps Mr. Stewart can help this debate a little.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-may-8-2013-carey-mulligan

May 12, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
delmar said...

A present for conservative from god.

http://imgur.com/r/atheism/tp5WPAw

May 12, 2013 at 8:01 a.m.
jesse said...

That "WHISTLE" didn't have a pea in it till Clinton et al started messin w/ the C.I.A. 's talkin points!

May 12, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
rick1 said...

WATERGATE - 1974

"What did the president know and when did he know it." Hillary Clinton

BENGHAZIGATE - 2013

"What difference does it make" Hillary Clinton

May 12, 2013 at 8:27 a.m.
delmar said...

Not trying to be a buzz kill, but in honor of Mother's Day;

http://imgur.com/r/pics/up3cP0N

Happy Mother's Day Moms!

May 12, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Vast right wing conspiracy. No cover-up. No lies. No mis-direction. No smoke & mirrors. All about racism from the right.

May 12, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Why does jesse have a picture of Plain Truth for his avatar?

May 12, 2013 at 9:34 a.m.
jesse said...

Dude, I took a page from your book and decided to use a pix of myself for an avatar! Thanks for the inspiration!!

May 12, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

The ambassador asked for more security at Benghazi. Who said no? Someone of higher rank, or did a clerk lose the request? (Spending-growth slowdowns? Also a fair question.)

The president was briefed on the attack while it was going on. Did he order whatever military response was possible?

The president of Libya's congress said it was a terrorist attack, but we said it was a mob responding to some video. Did we hurt a Muslim moderate? (NR 'talking point'.)

Why do we need "talking points"? Doesn't the very name, here, indicate something that stinks?

Alprova, VW is dropping 500 jobs the politicians spent hundreds of millions on. Get the Solyndra-picking types out of business. And the only two sources of criticism of Obama are politics and racism? What about a different understanding of reality, e.g. that God prefers freedom to domineering and that freedom works better? Are you a racist because you oppose us white guys, and a liar because you accuse non-racists of racism? (Granted there are some racists, but you owe an apology to everyone who voted for Alan Keyes, eh?)

May 12, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The left's big open tent of tolerance is open to all. As long as you agree with them. Otherwise, you're a racist, tea bagging, gun toting, skin-headed, church going pile of poo.

May 12, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Too bad it's not the media blowing the whistle....yeah, yeah, it's Fox News, but just because you hate the messenger doesn't make the message wrong

May 12, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
miraweb said...

There are only 29 months until the 2016 presidential election.

Every month that doesn't recruit a new voter to the GOP is a month lost. The more media time sucked off to faux scandals the less time there will be to convince new voters that there is any future with the GOP.

In what world would Libya and "uh oh - we got caught dodging taxes with our political organizations applying for non-profit status" going to convince women, younger voters, and minorities to vote Republican?

It plays nicely while singing lullabies to the base - but you will still lose elections if your base is too small to win.

John McCain and Lindsey Graham must really want more time as the minority party.

May 12, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
miraweb said...

Andrew - remember that budgets are 100% under the control of the U.S. Congress.

The real reason for the circus is so that no one asks where the ringmaster was the day the cash-box was found empty.

A couple of Senators want to be very sure that whoever you blame for this - it won't be them.

May 12, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.
miraweb said...

PlainTruth - As Hillary once observed a few years back - it isn't a vast right-wing conspiracy - it is a half-vast right-wing conspiracy.

May 12, 2013 at 10:46 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The downright dim-wittedness of the left is truly staggering. Not to mention the teflon coating on Obama and Hillary. Our nation is the loser.

May 12, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

miraweb said... There are only 29 months until the 2016 presidential election.

Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner said “I’m not good at math,”

Miraweb are you really an IRS agent?

May 12, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

No, there’s no incestuous relationship between the political left and the MSM

CBS News President David Rhodes’ brother Ben, is Obama's Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communication.

ABC News President Ben Sherwood’s sister, Dr. Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, is the Special Assistant to Barack Obama.

They both work at the NSC on foreign policy issues directly related to Benghazi.

CNN deputy bureau chief, Virginia Moseley’s husband, Tom Nides, is the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources.

From ABCNews.com:

In an email dated 9/14/12 at 9:34 p.m. — three days after the attack and two days before Ambassador Rice appeared on the Sunday shows – Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes wrote an email saying the State Department’s concerns needed to be addressed.

After that meeting, which took place Saturday morning at the White House, the CIA drafted the final version of the talking points – deleting all references to al Qaeda and to the security warnings in Benghazi prior to the attack.

I’m sure these fine and upstanding people wouldn’t be gaming the news coverage to protect their family members. Are you sure as well?

May 12, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
miraweb said...

I was raised in a Red State - you know how little they invest in edukashun.

;-)

May 12, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Since the start of the Obama administration 19 journalists and media executives, including five from the Washington Post and three each from ABC and CNN have joined the administration or left wing pressure groups that operate in conjunction with the administration. Of these 19 there are 14 inside the administration and after Obama’s term ends where do you think they will go? They will return to reporting the “impartial and fair” news until they get another opportunity to directly work to further their preferred ideological viewpoints.

May 12, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.
miraweb said...

The down-side of singing lullabies to the base is that in the past two elections - that has actually moved people away from voting Republican.

So my advice - sing it loud! sing it strong!

Pretty please?

May 12, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said …

If every challenge is NOT political, as in it being due to disagreements with him for political reasons, then racial bigotry comes creeping back into the picture every time.


So your perspective is that any critique on the security of our citizens and federal employees overseas can only be at its base either politics or racial bigotry? It can’t be a human concern for the safety of our fellow friends and neighbors as they freely move about in the world? Your’s most certainly has to be a very strange place to be for a fact.

May 12, 2013 at 11:38 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

miraweb -

Many of your posts over past several days seem to show you are conflicted in your true feelings.

On the one hand you seem to be giving advice to the Republican party as to how they are on the wrong path and providing tips as to how they can correct their problems and improve their chances of electoral victory.

On the other hand not so much as you encourage them to continue on their wrong headed way.

I think the real truth is that you’re thrashing about aimlessly due to the angst you are feeling over the political damage that is being done to your party icons.

May 12, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

delmar said...

Perhaps Mr. Stewart can help this debate a little.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-may-8-2013-carey-mulligan


Considering the failures and ineptitude of the MSM in recent years, maybe getting you news and information from a comedy show is the better choice. At least it seems you have made that choice.

May 12, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.
miraweb said...

Not so much, really.

May 12, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
jesse said...

Some folks sign in and post an opinion or point of view!

Jt6 gets on here and gives a sermon!

Maybe she was a preacher in a previous life!!

May 12, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "So your perspective is that any critique on the security of our citizens and federal employees overseas can only be at its base either politics or racial bigotry?"

My statement had nothing to do with security issues. My statement was regarding incessant criticism of the President in general.

Now, if you want to discuss issues related to security, and give credit or blame to any President for the security of Americans, let's do a side-by-side comparison of terrorist attacks throughout the world and count the bodies of Americans who were killed.

Need I type anything else?

"It can’t be a human concern for the safety of our fellow friends and neighbors as they freely move about in the world?"

In eight months, not one person has coughed up so much as one item of proof that what happened in Benghazi, in any manner whatsoever, is the fault of the President.

So, in the absence of any such proof, your criticism of the man regarding security issues is quite unfounded. So what is behind your incessant dislike for the man?

"Your’s most certainly has to be a very strange place to be for a fact."

When you people have facts to present, rather than accusations, assumptions, or guesses, let's have a serious discussion.

Until then, everything points to your being nothing other than a blatant bigot.

May 12, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.
miraweb said...

I do think the hearings are getting exactly the coverage they deserve. SNL had a good opening sketch and the Borowitz Report has managed three columns.

I will concede - no one does comedy like Fox.

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http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/may-11-kristen-wiig/n36760/

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/

May 12, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

Congress's priorities are pretty clear.

It only took 24 hours to let the FAA tap $253 million to cut wait times at airports.

Eight months (and three hearings) after the Libya attack how much more money does the State Department have?

Minus $400 million, as it turns out.

Well done, Congress!

May 12, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

I've been waiting for more than four years for a list of "failures" that President Obama is responsible for, and to date, no one can offer a legitimate list of these alleged "failures."

I do have a list of his successes and accomplishments.


I’ve seen that list and it is very impressive to say the least. I especially liked the item where he drove the White House pickup down to Home Depot where he purchased with his own money and loaded the materials for a child's play fort. He then proceeded to personally erect the fort in the White House backyard in one Saturday afternoon. This was all done for the simple pleasures of his two young daughters with not a bit of concern that this task would ever be publicized in any attempt to present him in the warming glow of being just another everyday caring dad.

May 12, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan's budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security. Maybe that had something to do with not enough security, ya' think?


Well there is this:

Charlene Lamb, Deputy Assistant Secretary in the Bureau of Diplomatic Security for the State Department testified before Congress that budget considerations played no part in considering additional security.

Testimony before the House Oversight Committee:

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher: “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Charlene Lamb Deputy Assistant Secretary responsible for embassy security: “No, sir.”

May 12, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

In the absence of any substantive objections that make sense, it all boils down to his race and there isn't a day of the week that passes that I do not run across someone who refers to the man with the "N" word.


Its very odd that I almost never hear anyone use that term in my presence. It may be that the people I associate with know that I would disapprove and admonish them for using that slur. You on the other hand experience a different situation and I would say we probably move in same cultural circles.

Maybe it is because just like your charade of being a registered Republican you are too cowardly to show your true feelings, if those are your true feelings. That exposing yourself to your associates would harm you socially or financially.

That is right … isn’t it?

May 12, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jesse said...

Some folks sign in and post an opinion or point of view!

Jt6 gets on here and gives a sermon!

Maybe she was a preacher in a previous life!!


Maybe some of us have the ability to think and express ourselves in greater complexity than bumper sticker sound bites.

What’s this deal about me being of the female persuasion? Its obvious I have no concerns that you or the others that so respond have in anyway determined my true identity.

However as alprova is apt to say “ be very careful as I have someone working on that”

May 12, 2013 at 1:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

someone working on that...haha....caution! you may be hacked by a TFP poster!

May 12, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Insanity:: ...putting decisions in the hands of those who pay no price for being wrong. -Thomas Sowell. fits the teflon twins (hillary/obama) to a tee

May 12, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
jesse said...

Yeah P.T.when i seen that i went right out and put out some sand bags and laid some standoff wire around my bunker!

May 12, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "Its very odd that I almost never hear anyone use that term in my presence. It may be that the people I associate with know that I would disapprove and admonish them for using that slur."

I seriously doubt that.

"You on the other hand experience a different situation and I would say we probably move in same cultural circles."

I seriously doubt that too.

"Maybe it is because just like your charade of being a registered Republican you are too cowardly to show your true feelings, if those are your true feelings."

I express nothing but my true feelings at all times.

"That exposing yourself to your associates would harm you socially or financially."

Ma'am, money means nothing to me, especially if I have to be dishonest or am forced to compromise my integrity to earn it.

The count of disrespectful bigots that I have invited to leave my business and demanded that they never return is up over 300.

I don't want a penny from such people.

"That is right … isn’t it?"

About as right as you usually are.

May 12, 2013 at 3:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

It is an interesting narrative that the party leadership is trying to build.

If the current government really was Scary, Evil, and Up To No Good the Republicans would only be one faux-lesbian bondage strip club and a Jeff Gannon(1) away from the credibility needed to set the country right again.

(1) GOPUSA's best White House correspondent. Ever.

May 12, 2013 at 3:30 p.m.
miraweb said...

I have to wonder if Thomas Sowell ever met Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld.

May 12, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.

Hicks is a Democrat and voted for Obama twice.

May 12, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.

The bucks stops at the top, accept when the guy at the top is a Democrat.

May 12, 2013 at 4:57 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Republican members of Congress raised no objections when they first saw internal emails detailing the evolution of the administration’s talking points on Benghazi, and House Speaker John Boehner declined to attend or send a representative to that briefing. Lawyers with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence briefed House and Senate Intelligence Committee members in March about the emails, which ABC News released after officials said they would make them available to members of Congress. Boehner would have seen the emails had he attended the briefing, to which he and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi were both invited. On the Senate side, lawyers briefed Sen. Saxby Chambliss, the vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and Sen. Richard Burr, who said the briefing satisfied many of his concerns. “It answers a lot, if not all, of the questions that the committee from an oversight standpoint,” he told the Hill at the time. On the House side, those briefed included Intelligence Committee Chairman Michael McCaul. Republican members in neither chamber raised substantive concerns about the emails, the official said, and were free to discuss them publicly as they were not classified. The emails about the September 2012 attack on the diplomatic post in Libya were shared with members of Congress during negotiations over the confirmation of CIA Director John Brennan. If Republicans had had major problems with what the emails revealed, they probably would have said something at the time and not confirmed Brennan 63-34, White House spokesperson Jay Carney said during his daily press briefing. “This is an effort to accuse the administration of hiding something that we did not hide,” Carney said. Duh!

May 12, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

miraweb said...

In what world would Libya and "uh oh - we got caught dodging taxes with our political organizations applying for non-profit status" going to convince women, younger voters, and minorities to vote Republican?


Chief Justice John Marshall

“That a power to create implies a power to preserve. That a power to destroy, if wielded by a different hand, is hostile to, and incompatible with, these powers to create and preserve. That where this repugnancy exists, that authority which is supreme must control, not yield to that over which it is supreme….”

“That the power to tax involves the power to destroy; that the power to destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create.


Sounds like he could have been referring to the same viewpoint that you seem to hold on the powers to tax and thus destroy your opponents. Its O.K. if the IRS goes a little rouge ever now and then as long as its in a good cause. Right?

May 12, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

The only benefit I have received since he has been in office is that I now have access to health care insurance coverage that was previously denied me at every turn. I pay my premiums every single month and yes, I am very grateful to the President for my small slice of ObamaCare. Sue me.


It is all about what they can do for you personally. Isn’t it?

May 12, 2013 at 6:21 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

It's sad to admit that, but I take no responsibility for those policies. I can't stop out leaders from doing a thing. They will have to answer to God for their sins.


I guess the permanent bumper sticker on your car reads “Don't Blame Me...I Didn't Vote for Him”. That way you can have plausible deniability for whoever is in the White House.

May 12, 2013 at 6:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am still trying to picture what the IRS going rouge (or lipstick, or eyeliner) might look like.

Mitt Romney looked like a right fool and did not improve his election chances when he failed to recall that Obama called Benghazi an "Act of Terror" on September 12.

Matt Olsen said the same on September 19.

Jay Carney the same on September 20.

Hillary Clinton the same on September 21.

That is what the GOP is running up against - that somewhere between 24 hours and 9 days the administration admitted the attack was, indeed, related to terrorism.

On May 29, 2003 George W announced they had "found" Iraq's WMDs. It took until September 2004 to admit that never actually happened. He also admitted that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with September 11th but held on to linking Saddam with Al Qaeda.

It took until April 29, 2007 for his administration to admit on 60 minutes that there was never any truth to that one either.

So somewhere between 1 and 10 days vs 4-plus years. Four dead vs. 4,808 dead.

The country was outraged when there was cause to be outraged. The GOP lost a lot of seats and the presidency.

Why isn't there more outrage about Libya? Because most of the country has seen these clowns before and is getting a wee bit tired of the pearl clutching and vapors.

May 12, 2013 at 6:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

Again - you can only be a federally sanctioned non-profit if you do not directly support any specifically legislation nor ever work politically in Federal elections.

On what planet could the Tea Party ever qualify as a non-profit?

Contributions to the Tea Party are just as taxable as the earnings you report on your W2. Using non-profit status to hide taxable sources of income is known as "money laundering." Tom Delay got a felony conviction for that.

This one really doesn't pass the "straight face" test.

.

May 12, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.

Looky, looky, looky. Look at the Obama loyalists circle the wagons. This Benghazi situation and the IRS targeting Jews and other groups isn't good. Tom Delay, George Bush, old news. Focus people, focus. LOL

May 12, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.

Oblabla cares more about golf than doing his job, and Hillrod thinks she's entitled to a coronation because she looked the other way a pile of times when ol' hillbilly needed to get his rocks off with some young thing.

May 12, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.

The Dems are a classless bunch of boobs, and no, I don't think the Repubs are that much better, only slightly.

May 12, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "then racial bigotry comes creeping back into the picture every time."

Laughing Out Loud!

I forgot that one, everyone that disagrees with Obama is a RACIST!

May 12, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
alprova said...

I call 'em like I see it...

May 12, 2013 at 8:22 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote: "This one really doesn't pass the "straight face" test."

Which is why all the attention paid to it by Fox News is going to further weaken their credibility.

May 12, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
patriot1 said...

alprova said... "then racial bigotry comes creeping back into the picture every time."

The plan of the left and "registered republicans" is to get Hillary elected and after eight years of screaming racial bigotry, they can then scream sexist bigotry.

May 12, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sad to say, the Dems have a near fool-proof strategy for winning the WH. As with Obama, if you vote against him, you're racist. Next, in 2016 Hillary. If you vote against her you're a misogynist bigot. In '24 God only knows. Repubs maybe best consider a gay Muslim American.

May 12, 2013 at 9:02 p.m.
alprova said...

It's no wonder that some of you people are confused with all the accusations flying around. Washington Republicans are just as confused.

Last November, Senator John McCain backed away from comments that there was any cover-up;

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/11/20/1225461/mccain-rice-benghazi-talking-points/?mobile=nc

This morning, he's calling it a cover-up again;

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/sen-john-mccain-asserts-benghazi-cover-up/

How many of you saw Greta Van Susteren's interview with Darell Issa the night of the whistleblower hearings?

He admitted that nothing new came out of those hearings;

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/09/1987061/issa-hearing-benghazi/?mobile=nc

Thomas Pickering, the co-chair of the State Department's Accountability Review Board on the Benghazi terror attack has repeatedly stated;

"I think the notion of a quote, cover up, has all the elements of Pulitzer Prize fiction attached to it."

May 12, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Pickering, like McCain, is way past him prime.

May 12, 2013 at 9:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

miraweb said...

“Again - you can only be a federally sanctioned non-profit if you do not directly support any specifically legislation.”


Well there is this:

They can engage in a limited amount of “lobbying” for or against specific legislation. They can "totally support or oppose" any legislation as long as those actions don't constitute “lobbying”.


From the IRS:

In general, no organization may qualify for section 501(c)(3) status if a “substantial part” of its activities is attempting to influence legislation (commonly known as lobbying). A 501(c)(3) organization “may engage in some lobbying,” but too much lobbying activity risks loss of tax-exempt status.

An organization will be regarded as attempting to influence legislation if it contacts, or urges the public to contact, members or employees of a legislative body for the purpose of proposing, supporting, or opposing legislation, or if the organization advocates the adoption or rejection of legislation.

Organizations may, however, involve themselves in issues of public policy without the activity being considered as lobbying. For example, organizations may conduct educational meetings, prepare and distribute educational materials, or otherwise consider public policy issues in an educational manner without jeopardizing their tax-exempt status.


“nor ever work politically in Federal elections”.


Then there is this:

From the IRS

Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.

Certain activities or expenditures “may not be prohibited” depending on the facts and circumstances. For example, certain voter education activities (including presenting public forums and publishing voter education guides) conducted in a non-partisan manner do not constitute prohibited political campaign activity. In addition, other activities intended to encourage people to participate in the electoral process, such as voter registration and get-out-the-vote drives, “would not be prohibited political campaign activity” if conducted in a non-partisan manner.


“On what planet could the Tea Party ever qualify as a non-profit?”


On the one where they abide with the above rules and are not illegally targeted by the Obama administration’s jackboots.

(cont)

May 12, 2013 at 9:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

“Contributions to the Tea Party are just as taxable as the earnings you report on your W2. Using non-profit status to hide taxable sources of income is known as "money laundering."


Where is your proof for your implication that those organizations in general participated in “money laundering”? Since the IRS has already apologized for their illegal activity they must have no evidence of wrongdoing by these groups so how would you be in the possession of any?


“This one really doesn't pass the "straight face" test.”


You must have been referring to your post.

LOL

May 12, 2013 at 9:18 p.m.
facyspacy said...

It's always somebody else's fault when you're talking about Biden, Clinton, or Obama.... Or it doesn't matter cause some other president was worse

May 12, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "It's always somebody else's fault when you're talking about Biden, Clinton, or Obama.... Or it doesn't matter cause some other president was worse"

The first point in your post is baseless and the day that GWB or Dick Cheney are invited to stand on a stage with a Republican candidate running for office, let's be sure to discuss which President is worse.

May 12, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said …

How many of you saw Greta Van Susteren's interview with Darell (sic … LOL) Issa the night of the whistleblower hearings?

He admitted that nothing new came out of those hearings;


That is absolutely false.

Fox News host Greta Van Susteren - “I’m curious, did you learn anything new today?”

ISSA - “I think the American people learned today from these brave witnesses, these whistleblowers, that the facts as we were told (by the Obama administration) before during and after the attack at Benghazi just simply aren’t what they really were.”

He was clearly indicating that many Americans had not been exposed to the detailed facts as presented by the #2 American diplomat (#1 after the needless murder of our ambassador) in Libya. They were clearly presented the facts of how the Obama administration hid, from the American people, that there were prior warnings that an attack was imminent.That the Obama administration denied our people, in harms way, the critically needed security that they begged for. That what occurred during the attacks was misrepresented. That after the attack the Obama administration clearly lied to the American people about the cause of the attacks being a spontaneous demonstration as a result of a web video. As was shown in this hearing it was almost universally known, within the Obama administration, this was an outright lie.

May 12, 2013 at 10 p.m.
jjmez said...

Republicans only desire is to give the appearance there was a coverup on the Benghazi. They know certain questions can't be answered because it would revealed too much of CIA and other covert operations taking place in that region. It's a sly and chancy move that could very well backfire on them. By raising doubt with the public, their strategy is an attempt to turn public opinion against this administration and make sure Hillary Clinton doesn't even attempt to run in the 2016 election. Remember, they'd already prepared to attempt to bring Hillary Clinton down if she'd been chosen run on the Democratic ticket instead of Obama. For whatever reason GOPs are determined that Hillary Clinton must NOT be allowed to run and possibly win a presidential election. They FEAR her!* for some reason.

They're strategy is to bank on the ignorance and gullibility of their base. Which goes to show how little regard they have for the intelligence of their base ability to think logically and reason on their own.

"2. Republicans keep posturing that their questions about Benghazi are intended to bolster US security. In fact, they are harming it. Republican hearings in the House of Representative have disgracefully revealed the names of Libyans talking to the US consulate, thus endangering their lives and harming US efforts to understand the situation in the country, since who would risk talking to the embassy if they know about Darrell Issa’s big mouth?"

May 12, 2013 at 10:02 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "ISSA - "I think the American people learned today from these brave witnesses, these whistleblowers, that the facts as we were told (by the Obama administration) before during and after the attack at Benghazi just simply aren’t what they really were."..."

No one is challenging the fact that the talking points were incorrect in the days following the attack.

Issa keeps hammering that as if there was anyone who claims anything different today.

For the umpteenth time, the CIA has taken full credit for changing the talking points, for whatever reason they have for having done it, which burns the ass of you people because it was probably done to cover up some covert operation in Libya that the CIA was up to their eyeballs in and they needed key people out of the way.

Believe whatever you wish. Your opinion will not hurt a soul nor convict them of a thing, outside of your pea-sized cranium.

You nor the Republicans are not going to get a rise out of Obama or Hillary no matter what you type. They are simply going to continue to let you people spin, spin, spin, and sooner or later, you'll move on to something else.

I'm done with this subject.

May 12, 2013 at 10:25 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Allpoo says....."You nor the Republicans are not going to get a rise out of Obama or Hillary no matter what you type. They are simply going to continue to let you people spin, spin, spin, and sooner or later, you'll move on to something else."

Does that include "registered republicans?"

May 12, 2013 at 10:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez

It looks like the Republicans have no need at this time to attempt an attack on Ms. Clinton as it is obvious she is her own worst enemy.

Her past is littered will skeletons and her recent performance is near criminal. These may not hurt her in the Democratic primaries although V.P. Biden and others that are planning to run will be mining the details of this debacle and others to create their talking points and attack videos against her. They see this as the best opportunity to knock her out of the race.

Even if she survives the primaries the Republican attack machine will be more brutal than her Democratic primary opponents in their treatment of her failings. She is not going to get another position of power or privilege prior to the election that would allow her to redeem herself in the eyes of the voters.

Its my opinion that she’s damaged goods and she is fast approaching the “well-done” stage.

May 12, 2013 at 10:43 p.m.
acerigger said...

Al,jjmez,and anyone else living in the reality-based community,there are some pretty astounding revelations about the Benghazi situation you might want to check out here;

http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/05/12/what-are-the-secrets-that-will-remain-hidden-in-benghazi/

http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/05/11/petraeus-revenge/

you're welcome

May 12, 2013 at 10:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

I stated before and reiterate that this CIA conspiracy will get wide play as the last few posters have shown. The Obama sycophants are stymied in their attempts to counter all of the disclosures of incompetence and malfeasance against him and his administration.

The best course of action is to claim this was a rogue CIA operation that got out of hand. The Obama administration didn’t want to lie and deceive the American public about what happened. However to protect national security they were forced to do so. They are really the heros because they risked personal harm to their good names and careers by doing this.

When any critics question this meme the automatic answer and discussion terminator is simple. “This is a national security situation with the CIA involved so we can’t allow the general public to have access to the specifics as it would place our nation in great peril. Enough said on that subject … O.K.? Now move along as there is nothing to see here.”

May 12, 2013 at 11:30 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Way to go acerigger!

The meme is gaining ground.

Get out the tin foil hats.

May 12, 2013 at 11:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

The butt covers business is thriving in D.C. with plenty of money to keep them coming. We will only know the truth if the inventory is depleted.

Why not a bipartisan committee with subpoena power to put the issue to bed at some point so it is not an issue in 2016?

May 13, 2013 at 12:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

not a theory. a fact.

May 13, 2013 at 12:47 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack, you wouldn't know a FACT if it slapped you across your face.

May 13, 2013 at 1:35 a.m.
joneses said...

Finally Clay has made a cartoon about one of o'bastards failures.

The reason o'bastard left the brave men to die in Benghazi is if he approved support and it failed he would have the same backlash Jimmy Carter did with his failed attempt to rescue the Iranian hostages. O'bastard was more concerned about his reelection than the brave men in Benghazi. That is what a narcissist POS you mentally challenged liberals support. And o'bastard sent Hillary out there to lie for him just like her perverted husband, Bill "Cigar" Clinton did to her. Why on earth does Hillary let these pathetic excuses for men use her like that I will never know. It does tell me she is to weak to be president.

May 13, 2013 at 6:33 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Allpoo seez...."Read it and weep conspiracy theorists;"

I don't know why anyone would be a "target" at this point. An investigation should be conducted by letting facts and evidence lead. There's more to come and once the lights come on and the cockroaches scatter, there is just no way to tell where this might lead.

May 13, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "then racial bigotry comes creeping back into the picture every time…I call 'em like I see it…"

It is a pretty sad day for the quality of political discourse when one of the most active and dedicated contributors to this forum has allowed himself to get drawn into the lie that his intellectual opponents tend to all be motivated by racism and as such he is justified in discounting their opinions.

Yeah, we all know alprova. Everyone who is not in lock step with the "tolerant" left view of the world is a) Stupid, b) Selfish, c) Racist or d) All of the above.

If it was possible for you to save yourselves from those kind of unfounded distractions maybe you could focus on an issue long enough to see reality.

May 13, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
jesse said...

Good point B.R.P.

I retired from shaw ind.in 2001 as an over the road driver and for 3 years ran a bid run once a week to Calif. w/a black co- driver and we became best friends , Yet by Al's definition i am raciest be cause i think Obama is a failure as POTUS! And i voted for him twice!!GO FIGURE!!

May 13, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "It is a pretty sad day for the quality of political discourse when one of the most active and dedicated contributors to this forum has allowed himself to get drawn into the lie that his intellectual opponents tend to all be motivated by racism and as such he is justified in discounting their opinions."

Do you know what is missing from your protest? "I am not a racist. My constant criticism of the President is political in nature."

"Yeah, we all know alprova. Everyone who is not in lock step with the "tolerant" left view of the world is a) Stupid, b) Selfish, c) Racist or d) All of the above."

You forgot the most important word. Ignorant. Ignorance is not necessarily a bad word, when accused of it. It simply means that you are not up to speed on the facts to whatever is being discussed.

"If it was possible for you to save yourselves from those kind of unfounded distractions maybe you could focus on an issue long enough to see reality."

Unfounded distractions, eh? Seems to me that there have been plenty of those coming from the right for four and half years.

No President has experienced the level of "unfounded distractions," not to mention unfounded ACCUSATIONS that Barack Obama has had to endure.

Not one.

May 13, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
Maximus said...

The Obama administration is in free fall and lies have loaded the parachute. All we have to wait for now is a big ugly hole in the ground to signify the most corrupt President ever. The IRS targeting U.S. citizens, The Benghazi cover up. The helicopter loaded with Navy Seals shot down due to incompetent leadership. Fast and furious, the list goes on and on and the Democrats continue to try their best to stay on offense using lies and deception. Again, Democrats avoid responsibility and accountability like the plague. Yes Clay, some of the Whistle blowers might have been Republican. Aren't they American's too!

Your logic with this cartoon is like I'm sure you are, very juvenile. Grow up Peter Pan!

May 13, 2013 at 9:29 a.m.
Leaf said...

My coffee has grown cold. It is Hillary Clinton's fault. But she won't admit it because it's a vast cover-up conspiracy. Therefore, Obama is the worst president we've ever had in the history of America.

May 13, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
jesse said...

Leaf, i thik Hillary can COOL DOWN a lot more than a cup of coffee!!

May 13, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.
Leaf said...

Now, Jesse, if that avatar is really you I'm thinking you probably wouldn't float her boat either! :)

May 13, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Obama & Cameron at presser. Wait for questions...you'll see obama do the old soft shoe better than Mr. Bojangles.

May 13, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
acerigger said...

PlainTruth said...

"suggest a read from the vast.etc."

Sounds more like a half-vast,etc!

May 13, 2013 at 11:41 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

From The New Yorker. The New-effing Yorker It’s a cliché, of course, but it really is true: in Washington, every scandal has a crime and a coverup. The ongoing debate about the attack on the United States facility in Benghazi where four Americans were killed, and the Obama Administration’s response to it, is no exception. For a long time, it seemed like the idea of a coverup was just a Republican obsession. But now there is something to it

May 13, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

POTUS calls #Benghazi talking points a "sideshow." My question is, Did you ever agree on a version you liked? What a load of feces

May 13, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth said... "Obama & Cameron at presser. Wait for questions...you'll see obama do the old soft shoe better than Mr. Bojangles."

See the racism ooze out? Hideous isn't it? He's a Ferrari and you're a Pinto with no rear view mirror. LMAO You remind me of Hitler watching Jesse Owens in '32. If you see a different skin color, you feel superior, regardless of all the evidence to the contrary. Truth must really be your enemy.

May 13, 2013 at 12:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth said... "For a long time, it seemed like the idea of a coverup was just a Republican obsession."

LMAO... Please show me a post of yours, during this "long time" you speak of, which shows this sentiment on your part.

Keep this 'yawn-athon' going and watch the GOP approval ratings!

May 13, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

dude: your take on racism is pathetic. not sure what was racist about soft shoe. you delight in overreaching. You are infected with the insufferable lightness of egalitarian being. And that ain't no compliment.

May 13, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
patriot1 said...
May 13, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Barry said today at the presser he knew the day after Benghazi...but yet two weeks later at the UN......embarassing!!!

May 13, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA.....REPUBLICANS ARE AT IT AGAIN........HA HA HA.....THE PARTY THAT CANT GOVERNED........DURING THE ONLY THING THEY KNOW HOW TO DO....."THROW ROCK FROM A GLASS HOUSE" HA HA HA

REPUBLICAN HAVE NO POLICY TO PRESENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE APPROVE BY THE PEOPLE.....NO IDEAS,,,,,JUST A LOT OF FINGER POINTING HA HA HA HA...AND PLAYING THE BLAME GAME...

WHAT A LOONEY PARTY!!!!! HA HA HA

May 13, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
chet123 said...

HEY PAINTRUTH......SO YOU STAND IN JUDGEMENT OF CALLING OBAMA A LIAR....

HOW ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION Hmmmmmmm?????

HA HA HA HA HA HA

I JUST LOVE TO POKE FUN AT THOSE FOOLISH REPUBLICAN HA HA HA ....THE ONLY THING THEY ARE GOOD AT IS PROTECTING THE RICH AND GREEDY HA HA HA HA

May 13, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
Maximus said...

Chet move away from the Jack Daniels......now! A Republican policy....A. Close our borders and require illegals currently in country to earn their citizenship before partaking in any guvment relief programs. B. Hire Chet as my lawn care guy since it will be the first time in years he has had a job. Ha Ha Ha!

May 13, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Chet is either Easy or Clay Bennett. HA HA HA HA

May 13, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
jesse said...

Chet was off the radar for several months ,musta been in rehab or the slammer!OR using his "easy 123" persona!!

May 13, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Did you ever voice an opinion that the Benghazi story was a GOP obsession, PlainTruth? Did you believe that to be true and continue to post opinions to the contrary?

May 13, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth, all I can find are posts by you which seem wholly supportive of the republican "investigation." So, were you being disingenuous back then, or are you lying through your teeth now? Wow, this line of questioning sounds familiar!

May 13, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No, dudely, i did not. Although I think it's a magnificent obsession.

May 13, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Obama just said investigation into Benghazi is a sideshow and distraction. Tell that to victim's relatives.

May 13, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

: Obama says 'outrageous' if IRS staff targeted conservative groups IF? Hell, they've already admitted it.

May 13, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
Leaf said...

Simplistic Truthiness wondered. . . "not sure what was racist about soft shoe"

If you don't get the cultural reference you are either not a native citizen or uneducated in American history.

I believe you are a North Korean Communist saboteur, bent on destroying America with stupidity. Unfortunately you seem to be winning.

May 13, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Leaf said...

Can you find the puzzle in the comment above?

May 13, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

soft shoe is tap dancing without the taps. some see what they want to see. if I wanted to be racist, I would not have disguised it. look somewhere else, leafie.

May 13, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

miraweb said...

I do think the hearings are getting exactly the coverage they deserve. SNL had a good opening sketch and the Borowitz Report has managed three columns.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/may-11-kristen-wiig/n36760/

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/


I see that you have also had your “Coming to Jesus Moment” with the MSM and have also signed on with the SAM (Smart *** Media). Funny boys as your primary news source and it doesn’t get any better than that. Right?

May 13, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
Leaf said...

Not saying it was intentionally racist, Simple. Just saying you are ignorant of history and culture. Again, you prove that with your response and you don't even realize it.

May 13, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Read it and weep conspiracy theorists;

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/12/18209616-on-benghazi-probe-gops-issa-says-hillary-clintons-not-a-target?lite


From your link:

Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat, said on Meet the Press that Issa's panel has deliberately put Clinton's ambitions in its crosshairs.

"My concern is when Hillary Clinton's name is mentioned 32 times in a hearing, then the point of the hearing is to discredit the Secretary of State, who has very high popularity and may well be a candidate for president," Feinstein said.


Looks like Feinstein isn’t as quickly fooled and thrown off the trail as easily as some people. They (you?) are so anxious to grasp at any straw that may give them hope their princess is in the clear they leave themselves wide open to being duped.

May 13, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Leaf,

Why would you ever think that likening our mixed-race President to a token, tap-dancing, African-American caricature could be deemed as racist?

Didn't you know that the fad of using non-racial phrases like "shuck and jive" became popular circa 2009? Everyone knows that calling the President "lazy", "the Food Stamp President", "Kenyan", etc. has nothing to do with his race. Voter suppression of minorities and talk of the "47 %" has nothing to do with the color of Barack Obama's skin.

May 13, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
Leaf said...

Why, indeed? I'm sure that when Simplistic Truthiness dresses in blackface for his frat's annual minstrel show mixer he thinks nothing of it.

(Hint. Google "minstrel show", Simplistic Truthiness)

Answer to the puzzle: "racist about soft-shoe" -- "Korean saboteur, bent" Mmm - a pretty lame puzzle in retrospect.

May 13, 2013 at 2:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Surprised at you Leaf. Not so much with Easy. He's young and incredibly stupid.

May 13, 2013 at 2:29 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T. don't do soft shoe , he's a "Flamenco Dancer!"!!!

Thats them dudes that dance around tryin to look at their own ass!!

May 13, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

flamenco dancer bigotry. appalled.

May 13, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
Leaf said...

Just calling a spade a spade, Simplistic Truthiness.

May 13, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"He's young and incredibly stupid."

Your counterfactual opinion has been duly noted. I yield to your "genius".

And by "genius" I mean cockamamie, abbreviated commentary of article snip-its along with your misguided, bigoted, ignorant criticism of anything Left of Michelle Bachmann.

May 13, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
jesse said...

Now DUDE?? He's a "FLASHER DANCER"!!

Also a out house grafitti artist!

May 13, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Convinced all lefties pulling for Gosnell acquital.

May 13, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

Thank you for proving my point so quickly.

May 13, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You've never had one single point that you didn't get from Wikipedia.

May 13, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
Leaf said...

[Simplistic Truthiness, nailed for ignorance and racism, desperately attempts redirect. Fails.]

May 13, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Neither ignorant nor racist. I've hired more African Americans and women than you and your little useless buddy, easy. Plain truth. When you've got nothing, attack with racism claim. The mantra of the left. seems to work, too.

May 13, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
Leaf said...

Let's revisit Simplistic Truthiness' post, shall we?


PlainTruth said...

Obama & Cameron at presser. Wait for questions...you'll see obama do the old soft shoe better than Mr. Bojangles.

May 13, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

thin gruel, Leaf.

May 13, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
Leaf said...

PlainTruth said...

Neither ignorant nor racist. I've hired more African Americans and women than you and your little useless buddy, easy.


Well, I stand corrected. I'm sure that hiring minorities means that you are not racist. And apparently not sexist, since you figured you'd mention the women too. (That was sarcasm, by the way. Wasn't sure you'd catch it.)

May 13, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
chatt_man said...

This is what happens when you realize your stupid-ass political games cost people their lives...

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/tear-runs-down-face-u-president-barack-obama-photo-170209867.html

May 13, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
Leaf said...

I believe chatt_man had a brain trauma that caused him to forget everything that happened prior to Obama's first term.

May 13, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The unnecessary, illegitimate, phony Iraq war with over 5000 American soldiers dead as a result (not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis but what's a little collateral damage, right?), the ignoring of intelligence prior to 9/11 that there was soon to be a terrorist attack on American soil, the many attacks on embassies and consulates resulting in deaths and injuries under Bush's watch, the drastic cuts for embassy security set in place by Republicans back in 2011 and 2012....all these things have been brought to the attention of the nitwits who are whining about this god-awful, unconscionable "conspiracy" of Obama and Hillary Clinton, but they do not respond to those facts at all; or if they do it's only to say "But it's not the same thing." They just whine and scream "Conspiracy....cover-up...off with their heads!" Blathering idiots, one and all. But keep it up, you knee-jerk, reactionary rabid righties. The longer you play this game the stupider you look. You wasted precious time and money with Monica-gate, Whitewater, and the Vince Foster "conspiracies." Now you're being true to form trying to turn this Democratic mole hill into a mountain. I repeat: blathering idiots, one and all.

May 13, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
jesse said...

i voted for Obama twice BUT if he can't stand the HEAT then he had NO buis. ever gittin his arz in the kitchin!!

That tear just tells me he ain't gutsy enough to take charge and RUN THE COUNTRY!

May 13, 2013 at 3:26 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Oh, Leaf, you heard what Jay Carney said the other day... if Benghazi is old news, then surely the past administration is.

May 13, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Did someone just hear Rickaroo pass gas?

May 13, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Good point chatt man.....and I think Jay Carney is going to be old news very shortly himself.

May 13, 2013 at 3:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

I think Maureen Dowd has it fairly well covered in the NYT:

Clinton Rules … damage control that goes like this:

“It’s not true,

it’s not true,

it’s not true,

it’s old news.”

After his Libyan intervention, President Obama knew he was sending diplomats and their protectors into a country that was no longer a country, a land rife with fighters affiliated with Al Qaeda.

Yet in this hottest of hot spots, the State Department’s minimum security requirements were not met, requests for more security were rejected, and contingency plans were not drawn up, despite the portentous date of 9/11 and cascading warnings from the C.I.A., which had more personnel in Benghazi than State did and vetted the feckless Libyan Praetorian Guard.

The hierarchies at State and Defense had a plodding response, failing to make any superhuman effort as the siege waxed and waned over eight hours.

The defense secretary at the time, Leon Panetta, insisted, “We quickly responded.” But they responded that they would not respond. As Emma Roller and David Weigel wrote in Slate: “The die was cast long before the attack, by the weak security at the consulate, and commanders may have decided to cut their losses rather than risking more casualties. And that isn’t a story anyone prefers to tell.”

In the midst of a re-election campaign, Obama aides wanted to promote the mythology that the president who killed Osama was vanquishing terror. So they deemed it problematic to mention any possible Qaeda involvement in the Benghazi attack.

Looking ahead to 2016, Hillaryland needed to shore up the mythology that Clinton was a stellar secretary of state. Prepared talking points about the attack included mentions of Al Qaeda and Ansar al-Sharia, a Libyan militant group, but the State Department got those references struck.

Nuland fretted about “my building leadership,” and with backing from Ben Rhodes, a top White House aide, lobbied to remove those reminders from the talking points because they “could be abused by members” of Congress “to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either?”

May 13, 2013 at 3:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hard to miss your sarcasm, miz leafiness. Not too subtle.

May 13, 2013 at 3:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI) to hold a hearing Friday investigating the IRS scandal. another annoying pesky witch-hunt.

May 13, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

That's not my gas I'm passing, chatt_man. What you hear and smell is the putrid gas from the Bush administration that still lingers. That's the gas that you whiners need to deal with and fumigate first, before you make such a big deal over a little Obama fart.

May 13, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
Leaf said...

And when Simplistic Truthiness wants to insult someone, call them a she. You're racist and sexist, PlainTruth. But then we all knew that.

May 13, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

no insult intended. you're not a she?

May 13, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rickaroo. The King of the Duped.

May 13, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth's posts cannot be taken seriously, by his own admission. Wow, I can't remember anyone on this thread admitting that they were posting stuff they didn't believe, for political points! He's clearly saying his name is BS. Time for yet another handle?

May 13, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
Leaf said...

Of course I'm not a she. You can tell a lot about a person from their writing style. For instance I can tell that you just parrot the talking points you see in right-wing blogs and don't really think a lot for yourself.

May 13, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.

Gosnell has been convicted of the murder of three babies born alive. Mr. Alprova must be in mourning. Guess it won't be in the news, huh?

Obama's tear must be for Gosnell.

May 13, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Mr. Leaf: My heartfelt apologies.

May 13, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
Leaf said...

Simplistic Truthiness,

Don't apologize to me, for you've done me no harm. It would be nice if you would stop spouting so much nonsense though.

May 13, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

As usual, no response at all as to how Bush's flagrant lies, deception, and ineptitude were perfectly acceptable to these teabagging stone throwers. The poor guy just made simple honest mistakes, right? But Obama on the other hand...well, we all know he's the anti-Christ and needs to be dealt with accordingly. Impeach the vile devil! Off with his socialistic/Marxist/communist/Kenyan/Muslim head!

'Nuff said. I'll leave it to you whiners to keep fanning the smoke from this little cap gun, trying to make a bomb out of it. You'll never succeed but your attempts are worthy of the best quixotic wind-mill jousters. Blathering whimpering idiots.

May 13, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Nothing but the truth

May 13, 2013 at 4:22 p.m.
klifnotes said...

The truth is there were many protests going on that day in Benghazi outside the consulate, and protest over the film was one of many taking place. But when all you have is faux news as your source, your worldview can be quite limited.

Here are some myths that's been spread by the right and then REAL FACTS about Benghazi:

media matters/weekly standard:

MYTH: CIA Never Linked Benghazi Attack To Anti-Islam Video

Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes: "There Is No Mention Of Any 'Video' In Any Of The Many Drafts" Of CIA Talking Points. In a post on the Weekly Standard, Stephen Hayes claimed that the CIA talking points about the Benghazi attack made no reference to an anti-Islam YouTube video which was mentioned as a possible cause for the attacks by members of the Obama administration:

FACT: Intelligence Community Believed Link Existed At The Time

CIA Talking Points Linked Attack To Protests In Cairo. The first bullet point from what The Weekly Standarddescribed as "Version 1" of the CIA talking points says that "based on currently available information," the attacks were "spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo." The final version of the document made the same link:

The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. diplomatic post and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.

Cairo Protests Cited By CIA Talking Points Were Sparked By The Anti-Islam Video. The "protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo" mentioned in both versions of the CIA talking points were part of a global reaction to the anti-Islam video. A September 14 New York Times article reported "Anti-American rage that began this week over a video insult to Islam spread to nearly 20 countries across the Middle East and beyond on Friday, with violent and sometimes deadly protests."

The article went on to note that protesters "had penetrated the perimeters of the American Embassies in the Tunisian and Sudanese capitals, and said that 65 embassies or consulates around the world had issued emergency messages about threats of violence." [The New York Times, 9/14/12] {snip}

May 13, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
limric said...

If I may make an observation:

This hackneyed Benghazi frenzy illustrates (to me anyway) the underlying shallowness & desperation that is the Republican Party today. If you cut through the green haze of prosecutorial self-congratulatory encouragement, those self-righteous inquisitors railing about the embassy incident are obviously angrier with Obama than they are with those that actually killed the Americans.

Why is that?

While at the same time, the very same neo-con chickenhawks are pushing for supplying arms (or direct involvement if they can finagle it) with the very people we’ve been fighting for nigh on 20 years.

Why is that?

Republicans: Motives as transparent as a picture window; A superficial and banal organization of incompetent criminals that spends all of its time calling everyone else - incompetent criminals. Ie.The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight!

Those itching to toot the whistle of insignificance might want to reconsider. The exit hole looks to blow their own hot air and foul spit right back up their noses.

Nice hidden message Clay. Well done.

P.S. Before y'all start whining and stereotyping; I'm not a Democrat nor a Obama supporter.

May 13, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.

I like how liberals on here try and push the conversation toward Bush. This is 2013.

May 13, 2013 at 4:28 p.m.
klifnotes said...

No one can say for sure if the people pushing these myths are ignorant, evil or both or if they just have so little regard for their followers that they believe they are too stupid to check out the facts for themselves.

more:

Huffington Post/Evans:

Republicans are on a non-stop witch hunt about lack of security at the U.S. Embassy in Benghazi and yet no one in the media (except Soledad... why was she let go again?) seems to be questioning the indisputable fact that it was Republicans who insisted on cutting the funding for embassy security right before the embassy in Benghazi was attacked. Absolutely no one seems to be holding the Republicans feet to the fire that they helped set!

What's even more outrageous is that absolutely NO ONE is discussing the fact that it was the House Republicans who cut $300 million from the Obama administration's U.S. embassy security budget not long before the embassy attack in Benghazi took place. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), who is one of the Republicans "bravely"{sarcasm} leading the Benghazi charge, didn't seem too concerned about the embassy in Libya last year when he made the following statement on CNN in an interview with Soledad O'Brien (which is definitely worth taking a look!)

"O'BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?"

"CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have -- think about this -- 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad."

"And we're talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces? When you're in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this."

May 13, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Gosnell has been convicted of murder x3....and crickets from Allpoo.

May 13, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
Leaf said...

Simplistic Truthiness embodies what is wrong with politics today. Misleading infinitely reposted soundbites that are catchy but false have replaced thought and reasoned discourse.

May 13, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.
klifnotes said...

zableedofisterix said... I like how liberals on here try and push the conversation toward Bush. This is 2013.

But even in your limited worldview you'd have to agree the arsonist who starts the fire remains the one responisble for it. Regardless of what comes next, the arsonist(s) who lit the fire remains the guilty party . Under Bush and his regime=arsonists who lit the fires that's led to so much instability and turmoil around the globe. Now remnants and extensions of that prior admin. clan are attempting to create the perfect storm they hope will inspire a violent inssurection on American soil against this present president, his administration and any democrats who support them. wicked!

May 13, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

And when Simplistic Truthiness wants to insult someone, call them a she

Of course I'm not a she. (Not that there is anything wrong with being a “she”. Right? - Jt)


I think your are serious about that and are not being disingenuous or sarcastic so I think we know how you feel about women.

By the way if P.T is sexist, by your strange reasoning, when he unknowingly misrepresents and insults you by referring to you as a female then what does that say about the many posters that refer to me in the same manner (Not that there is anything wrong with being referred to in that gender. Right? LOL

May 13, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Looks like the White House has made a dangerous enemy.

From the Washington Times:

Not surprisingly, every president in the past 60 years has had a major scandal in Term Two: Dwight Eisenhower had the U-2 “incident”; Richard Nixon had Watergate; Ronald Reagan had Iran-Contra; Bill Clinton had Monica (literally); George W. Bush had Katrina (and let’s not forget those WMDs that never turned up); and now, this president has Benghazi.

Faced with a crisis, the Obama White House panicked: “We can’t have a terrorist strike two months before Election Day, so … let’s not have a terrorist strike two months before Election Day.” Cue the Cover-up.

Carnival barker Jay Carney looked almost ashen Friday as he took the podium to face a suddenly invigorated press corps. Of course, the public briefing came after a private session with “reporters who matter,” a sure sign the White House is in full hunker-down mode — and, more precisely, terrified.

Speaking for the White House, the flack said the CIA was fully to blame for the talking points. Fully.

“That is what was generated by the intelligence community, by the CIA,” he said.

For the record, this is what the CIA “generated”: “Since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants.” That line was stricken: Everything was fine there — fine fine fine.

And: “We do know that that Islamic extremists with ties to Al Qaeda participated in the attack.” That line, too, was deleted by … someone. Instead, this was inserted: “There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.” Despite protestations by the White House, this scandal is just beginning. And the White Househas picked a very bad scapegoat: the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA follows RFK’s edict: “Don’t get mad, get even.” And when the CIA gets even, it isn’t pretty.

With the White House putting all blame on the agency, expect push back this week — nuclear push back. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the former director forced to resign after a sex scandal, is a dangerous man to the Obama administration. Mad and intent on getting even, he’s already talking, telling one reporter the talking points were “useless” and he preferred not to use them at all. The floodgates will open this week, and by EOB Friday, the scandal will be full blown.

A warning to those West Wing sycophants suffering from acute OOCS: Don’t walk down any dark alleys.

May 13, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.
Leaf said...

Hey, don't pick on zableedofisterix. Don't want to get him to excited and make his fisterix bleed any faster.

May 13, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
Leaf said...

Jtwhatever, if you're going to quote me, do the whole thing and don't take it out of context.

May 13, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
Leaf said...

Oh, and Jt, please learn how to read for content.

May 13, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
fairmon said...

We are fortunate to have those people with the intelligence and insight around political matters that know what is best for the country and all of us. Those here and elsewhere with that skill will attack, name call, ridicule and criticize those disagreeing, they cut and paste articles and quote opinions that support their position to get those with a different opinion to the right place. Give or take a percentage point or two and those with that ability are not effective. What will we do if they start thinking there may be two sides to most issues? We are fortunate to have people that are convinced that beyond a shadow of a doubt they are right and those they support are the greatest. I am sure those meeting this criteria know who they are and how much impact they have on those ignorant people that disagree with them. Keep up the good work.

May 13, 2013 at 4:51 p.m.
klifnotes said...

more/media matters/standards:

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT): Troops From Tripoli "Would Have Arrived After The Attack." Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a Republican member of the House Oversight Committee who has actively pursued investigations into the Benghazi attacks, told The Washington Post the second force "would have arrived after the attack on the CIA base":

Chaffetz said the troops who were not allowed to travel to Benghazi would have arrived after the attack on the CIA base but may have provided first aid to wounded personnel. He noted that the order to keep them from traveling was given before the second attack. [The Washington Post, 5/6/13]

>"Accountability Review Board Chief Tom Pickering: "Within Those Time Frames, Nothing Could Have Been Done."

May 13, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

But even in your limited worldview you'd have to agree the arsonist who starts the fire remains the one responisble (sic) for staring (sic) it, regardless of what comes next. Under Bush and his regime=arsonists who lit the fires that's led to so much instability and turmoil around the globe. Now remnants and extensions of that prior admin. clan are attempting to create the perfect storm they hope will inspire a violent inssurection (sic) on American soil against this present president, his administration and any democrats who support them. wicked!


So your take on this is that the Obama administration's incompetence and malfeasance before, during, and after the Benghazi attack was just so much kindling thrown on an already blazing fire started by his predecessor.

Its not their fault that there was no heed given to warnings before the attack.

Its not their fault they didn't provide the security that was begged for.

Its not their fault that no attempt at rescue was attempted over an eight hour attack.

Its not their fault they had to lie about what happened.

You may want to try the spin du jour (almost typed “de jure” … that would have resulted in much hilarity amongst certain people) that it was a CIA operation started by the previous administration and the Obama administration was forced to do all of this to protect national security. Of course the true details of that can’t be released to the general public because it was endanger our national security.

We just need to move along because there is nothing to see here. Right?

May 13, 2013 at 5:02 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Looks as if the White House is making even more enemies:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe

Guess the honeymoon is over.

May 13, 2013 at 5:06 p.m.
Leaf said...

Fairmon, I applaud your snarkiness. Just the right amount of snark to leaven the futility.

May 13, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

more/media matters/standards:

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT): Troops From Tripoli "Would Have Arrived After The Attack." Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a Republican member of the House Oversight Committee who has actively pursued investigations into the Benghazi attacks, told The Washington Post the second force "would have arrived after the attack on the CIA base":

Chaffetz said the troops who were not allowed to travel to Benghazi would have arrived after the attack on the CIA base but may have provided first aid to wounded personnel. He noted that the order to keep them from traveling was given before the second attack. [The Washington Post, 5/6/13]

"Accountability Review Board Chief Tom Pickering: "Within Those Time Frames, Nothing Could Have Been Done."


That was before the hearing the other day so I wonder what his thoughts are now? You may want to look those up to bring yourself up to date.

Mr. Pickering is about to get his chance, under oath, to repeat that and to explain why certain people that were intimately involve in this debacle were excluded from being interviewed for his report. He was appointed to this review by someone who was central to this situation and was not questioned. Even at this time that report is under investigation as to its reality.

May 13, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
Leaf said...

Simple question, are there fewer radical fundamentalists since we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

May 13, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

At last - the first theory on the Libya hearings that makes any real sense at all. Karl Rove seems to believe that if he shouts ooga-booga and puts up pictures of a lame-duck President and a retired Secretary of State that you kind folks will send him money.

Who would have guessed?

Even Karl Rove has to raise a few bucks in the off-season, I guess.

I do not like these conservative Republican groups putting ads out about Hillary Clinton. What is the point of that? That is just fundraising by American Crossroads and other groups. It’s ridiculous. There’s no campaign going on. Let’s pull the partisanship back. Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday

I’m surprised Bill Kristol — whose magazine has been critical of the Obama administration — would join in the chorus . . . This [ad] was appropriate. We need to help the American people grasp this . . . More people have seen this ad than subscribe to ‘The Weekly Standard,’ which has been covering the same story and making the same points. So I don’t see anything wrong with it. Karl Rove on Fox News

Y'all just keep on melting down that party. I'll go put on some more popcorn.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/karl-rove-bill-kristol-attack-inexplicable-91256.html

May 13, 2013 at 5:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

Jtwhatever, if you're going to quote me, do the whole thing and don't take it out of context.

Oh, and Jt, please learn how to read for content.


Odd that you noted I was in error but provided no details of what I got wrong.

Maybe because it would be difficult, on many levels, for you to do that.

May 13, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

Simple question, are there fewer radical fundamentalists since we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?


I have no idea but I do know that we have been working the 72 virgins(?) overtime.

May 13, 2013 at 5:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

miraweb said...

"I do not like these conservative Republican groups (What he really meant). There’s no campaign going on.” - Bill Kristol


I don't care who you are … That right there was some funny stuff

May 13, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

patriot1 said...

Looks as if the White House is making even more enemies:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe

Guess the honeymoon is over.


This is becoming out of control as I haven't finish with Benghazi and the scandals are piling up behind me. Obama has just got to give it a break for a while.

The impeachment documents could come in at more pages than the Obamacare bill. LOL

May 13, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.

Why is my world view limited? What I see is Oblabla blaming everybody he can for his mess. Pathetic! He's blaming the messengers for his mess. Very uncool. He's more suited to be a third world dictator than POTUS.

He needs to step away, far away, back to Hawaii and do what he does best which is smoke pot and play round after round of bad golf.

May 13, 2013 at 5:53 p.m.
limric said...

Leaf,

I too appreciate Fairmon’s wonderful maze. I find it less of a ”snark to leaven the futility,” than the unleavened coating of the ‘babblefish’ dropped into a deep fryers hot oil; Food of the wide eyed and dim.

Nicely done Fairmon.

May 13, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque said... "This is becoming out of control as I haven't finish(sic) with Benghazi and the scandals are piling up behind me."

Here's a tip: Don't trouble yourself, since what you pen makes not one bit of difference to anybody else in this world. The unwarranted narcissism is interesting, though. Was it you that quoted Dowd earlier? Please feel free to quote more from a liberal that can do what you cannot, which is call a fair game.

May 13, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rate the scandals!! Benghazi? IRS? AP phone tap?

May 13, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"babblefish!" I cannot not love that word. lol

May 13, 2013 at 6:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

Was it you that quoted Dowd earlier? Please feel free to quote more from a liberal that can do what you cannot, which is call a fair game.


I think she did nail(?) Obama "good".

Don't you feel so?

May 13, 2013 at 6:21 p.m.
patriot1 said...

"Now, one of the most basic rules of Politics 101 is: Don't pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel and paper by the ton. The logic here should be readily apparent to anyone with an IQ above room temperature"

Looks like the AP phone records may be yet another big one.

May 13, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM... I was addressing tu_quoque, but I am glad to see you read her. I bet, deep down, you probably agree with her more than you'll allow yourself to admit.

May 13, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Bad news...white house corrupt. Good news..they're bad at corruption.

May 13, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM... I was addressing tu_quoque, but I am glad to see you read her. I bet, deep down, you probably agree with her more than you'll allow yourself to admit.


I figured that you were just confused and inadvertently attached another posters title to my statement.

I know that you didn't mean anything untoward about that and it didn't upset me at all.

I'm sure you will be much more careful in the future since I know this error was a great embarrassment to you.

I don't think I have read any of the lady's posts but she must have been a very forceful and effective poster. I know that many people here have confused me with her and I can't positively prove otherwise without revealing my true identity. I'm sure it upsets many to be so sure about this and that they just can't prove it. Now can they?

I've searched the archives but can find only indirect reference to her. If you know where I can read some of her work please let me know.

May 13, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I was wondering when the first Alex Jones video would be presented here.

LMFAO!

May 13, 2013 at 8:13 p.m.
mosquito said...

Why are you laughing do tell? Expound some knowledge , please? I have stated I don't care for him but am interested in his guest...

May 13, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Bennett sure does have a lot to choose from for his next toon....Will it be more on Benghazi (Barry's sideshow), the IRS, the AP story? hmmmm, so many choices. In the words of the former Ms. Foggybottom, "What difference does it make?"

May 13, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mosquito,

"Why are you laughing do tell? Expound some knowledge , please?"

The man is a conspiracy theorists and, at best, dishonest. Watch his videos. The proof is in the pudding.

"I have stated I don't care for him but am interested in his guest..."

Why?

May 13, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.
mosquito said...

As i am reading here and flipping thru the channels, Karl Rove of all people is on lambasting the administration WOW that's the pot calling the kettle.......wait can't say that..

judas priest how short they think peoples memories are....bastards all of them

May 13, 2013 at 8:22 p.m.
mosquito said...

easy123 ,

"I have stated I don't care for him but am interested in his guest..."

Why?

why not, did you listen to the interview?

have you listened to any interview by Lt Col.Anthony Shaffer?? I think he testified before the 911 comm.

and yes i think parts of our govt may have known and taken part in that one too. Gotta be fair, it's not a black thing so I doubt you would understand

May 13, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Relax you rightwingNUTs. Your republican leaders have just found a new word, BENGHAZI, they think makes them appear intelligent to their base, you {which isnt at all a difficult task}. So they say the word over and over and over and over {gettin' you dizzy until you pass out like drunkards}.

benghazi

____Benghazi__

__BENGHAZI____

B E N G H A Z I

Your new word for the moment. Learn it. But first, at least make sure you know what and where Benghazi is. The truth is, according to Public Policy Polling, over 39% of you don't even know if the word Benghazi is the name of a person, place or thing, and the remainder don't seem to care!!

--PPP--

The GOP spent much of last week playing up what they say is a scandal stemming from the U.S. government’s response to the attack on the embassy in Benghazi. But most Americans don’t really care anymore--and some don’t even know where Benghazi is located.

A new poll from Public Policy Polling reveals that 39% of Americans who think that "Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history" don't actually know where it is. (it’s in Libya)

Some thought it was in Egypt; others thought it was in Iran; and a handful didn’t even guess.

The poll also reveals that most voters trust former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the Benghazi issue over Republicans. The majority of voters polled also want Congress to be focused on gun control and immigration rather than the Benghazi attack.

May 13, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
mosquito said...

who's the right wing nut, define that please...

I can only speak for myself and don't like lies on either side, thought previous posts would have clarified that but maybe not.

I guess a person must post three items against Bush before posting one against Pres.O ....not fair but not exactly hard to do even tho he hasn't been in office for quite some time now

May 13, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
klifnotes said...

I can only speak for myself and don't like lies on either side

So where was your voice, SPEAKING OUT not, when Bush and his minions lied to get U.S. into all this mess? Silent? no doubt.

  • I guess a person must post three items against Bush before posting one against Pres.O*

The right has done nothing thus far, except attempt to set President Obama up to take the blame for all of Bush and his regime's failures and screw ups. It all continues to backfire. Just like the fires they started, and powerful backdraft when the door is open, blows right back on them. This will too.

May 13, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jt6 said... "I'm sure it upsets many to be so sure about this and that they just can't prove it. Now can they?"

No jt, I meant I was addressing tu_quoque with regard to her reading Dowd. You didn't factor into this. Sorry I made you blurt out that you think you're important to somebody here. LMaO

May 13, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
Maximus said...

Hillary Clinton is a disgusting liar and not fit for office. I just watched the replay of her "performance art" speech at the Benghazi funeral show where she even had the balls to tell one of the parents of the Benghazi attack victims....."we will get the guy that created and played the utube video". Even Tom Brokow, a massive liberal is calling out Hillary. No Hillary will not be a presidential candidate in 2016 for one reason and one reason only, no one trusts her. Lying biatch! Bill, watch out she is coming home and she is gonna stay!

May 13, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
mosquito said...

"So where was your voice, SPEAKING OUT not, when Bush and his minions lied to get U.S. into all this mess? Silent? no doubt."

No not silent, no doubt. I tried to tell people and continue to , where is YOUR voice now when it comes to Obama and Hillary et al.?

Silence, you see. Both sides blame the other for there shortcomings and it's always the common folks who seem to suffer.

You see it seems to be that anyone who utters a hint of disagreement with this administration is met with hatred , disdain, racial accusations, ignorance etc. And much is deserved but not all.. so my question is how many have to die under this admin. before we call it even??

May 13, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "I've searched the archives but can find only indirect reference to her. If you know where I can read some of her work please let me know."

To be sure! I think she did some of her best work in the men's restrooms in Jack's Alley, try there. I remember one particularly poignant piece she did after Sandy Hook, which kind of exposed her as a jelly kneed soccer mom. She's no John Galt. aO

May 13, 2013 at 8:55 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Klif...here is the 39 percent of which you speak....Obama lofo types

May 13, 2013 at 8:55 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack wrote: "Convinced all lefties pulling for Gosnell acquital."

Not at all. The man was convicted of 3 counts of first degree murder. He deserves to die, but I seriously doubt that the 12 jurors will unanimously sentence a 72 year old man to death.

May 13, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
alprova said...

A game player who cannot stick to one name wrote: "Gosnell has been convicted of the murder of three babies born alive. Mr. Alprova must be in mourning."

Nope. I stated that upon conviction or acquittal, that I would have an opinion, and not before.

He was convicted of 3 counts or murder, therefore he committed some horrible and illegal acts related to abortion.

It was isolated and not related to the abortion issue in general.

"Guess it won't be in the news, huh?"

Of course it's in the news. He was convicted.

May 13, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Gosnell has been convicted of murder x3....and crickets from Allpoo."

I've been quite busy today. No time to check in. Handled three sales, then came home and repaired the wiring harness on my Zero-Turn. Cut grass until it became too dark.

Gosnell was convicted. I most certainly do condemn him for the 3 counts of first degree murder that he was convicted of.

Until he was convicted, I withheld my opinion, as I still believe that a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

May 13, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
Leaf said...

Oh, Jtwhatever. Please just try harder to understand the things people write.

May 13, 2013 at 9:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alan Dershowitz says Justce may have stepped on 1st amendment re AP. Another racist?

May 13, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Alan Dershowitz says Justce may have stepped on 1st amendment re AP. Another racist?

Bush pooped all over Americans 1 amendment during his time in office, but not even a wink or yawn came from hypocrits like you. So what does Dershowitz words have to do with race? You're now going to try and throw in that Dershowitz is Jewish, no doubt to use to an advantage to support your hate. Boy! You folks are desperate! If you thought saying Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden were saints would help turn Americans against president to further your goals, you'd use them too. Just be careful when you dance with the devil. Cuz at some point the devil will come collecting his due. And you're required to pay up.

May 13, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

The truth is, according to Public Policy Polling, over 39% of you don't even know if the word Benghazi is the name of a person, place or thing, and the remainder don't seem to care!!


Very odd that you posted quotes from an article on Alternet, a mad dog left wing web site but tried to pass it off as coming from PPP. You must have thought that anyone seeing the link to Alternet would ridicule it for its obvious bias. (You were right)

You thought you could presented it as coming from some polling company that most people wouldn’t know their background and would accept it as non-partisan. (You were wrong) Well PPP is just as left wing as Alternet. They only accept groups that are Democratic and Progressive as one of their private clients.

You may want to read the internals of that poll before you hype it too much as the details don’t look as good for your side as the slanted summary provided by Alternet.

May 13, 2013 at 10:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6,

"Very odd that you posted quotes from an article on Alternet, a mad dog left wing web site but tried to pass it off as coming from PPP."

The quote Alternet used was pulled directly from the poll by PPP. That's why it was presented in quotes on the Alternet website.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_51313.pdf

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/39-americans-who-think-benghazi-major-scandal-dont-actually-know-where-it

"You thought you could presented it as coming from some polling company that most people wouldn’t know their background and would accept it as non-partisan."

It did come directly from the PPP. Again, that is why it was quoted in the Alternet article.

**The PPP said this initially in their poll release (see page 1): "One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is."

And Alternet quoted that exact sentence in their article. Do you expect people to take you seriously when you didn't even read the first page of the poll/article you are trying to discredit?

"Well PPP is just as left wing as Alternet."

And? In what way does that discredit the information presented?

"They only accept groups that are Democratic and Progressive as one of their private clients."

That is an outright lie.

"You may want to read the internals of that poll before you hype it too much as the details don’t look as good for your side as the slanted summary provided by Alternet."

Considering you didn't actually read it, how would you have any clue about the "internals" of that poll? Please elaborate about the details that don't look good for klifnotes "side".

May 13, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

jt6 said... "I'm sure it upsets many to be so sure about this and that they just can't prove it. Now can they?"

No jt, I meant I was addressing tu_quoque with regard to her reading Dowd. You didn't factor into this. Sorry I made you blurt out that you think you're important to somebody here. LMaO


Mr Abides I wouldn’t want to be so rude as to claim you are having some serious problems with your ability to connect the proper posters to their own quotes. But there is obviously some serious cognitive issues that you are having in accomplishing such a simple task.

I suggest you reread all of the pertinent posting and I think you will eventually find your error and will quickly return will an appropriate apology. However there is no need as I am not upset and I completely understand that some people have certain challenges in their lives they have to overcome. I wish you well in that endeavor.

May 13, 2013 at 11:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Mr. Easy my post stands as originally posted. There were in fact quotes in the Alternet article from the PPP polling company. However Mr. Klifnotes did in fact post part of the Alternet article and tried to pass it off as being entirely from PPP.

I did not lie about nor misrepresent anything in my post. I have read the internals of the poll and they are definitely not as helpful to your side as the summary would like to present. The poll is easily found and you can review it and prove me wrong if you please.

May 13, 2013 at 11:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Mr. Easy said ...

And? In what way does that discredit the information presented?


I would guess in the same way that information from Alex Jones would be unacceptable to you.

May 13, 2013 at 11:25 p.m.
Maximus said...

Hillary is such a disgusting infected, puss stained, egotistical lying elitist post menapausal female dog. Lucky she could only birth an inconsequential plastic surgey enhanced spoiled brat daughter. Lying to the face of the parents of American heroes she left behind to be raped and murdered by Islamic savages is a sin that has no redemption. Hillary Clinton.....burn in hell and you will never, ever hold political office again. Call your Congressman. Call your Senator and order them to continue to bury the narssasistic gangster Hillary Clinton. She will be 100 times worse than the puppet despot Barry The Welfare Pimp if elected President. DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN! Obama is already a lame duck sequestered to the golf course. Job well done America!

May 13, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Mr. Alprova its about 11:30 and this is the last day for this thread so you might want to rush in about now and get in the final posts.

I don't know why you do that because at this point most of the readers are gone. I guess it is just an ego thing to get the last word. Right?

May 13, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6,

"Mr. Easy my post stands as originally posted."

It absolutely does not.

"There were in fact quotes in the Alternet article from the PPP polling company."

That wasn't what you said earlier. You specifically referenced the quotes as coming from the Alternet article. The most important quote from the Alternet article came directly from the PPP poll.

"However Mr. Klifnotes did in fact post part of the Alternet article and tried to pass it off as being entirely from PPP."

No, he didn't. The information is from the PPP poll. The Alternet article was simply a synopsis of the PPP poll. The information in question is taken from the PPP poll.

"I did not lie about nor misrepresent anything in my post."

Yes, you absolutely did.

"I have read the internals of the poll and they are definitely not as helpful to your side as the summary would like to present."

Is that why you're not divulging any of that information? Or is it just your little secret?

"The poll is easily found and you can review it and prove me wrong if you please."

Prove what wrong? You haven't said anything regarding the "internals" of the poll. Present something and I'd be glad to prove you wrong.

"I would guess in the same way that information from Alex Jones would be unacceptable to you."

Because it's based on lies, misinformation, conspiracy theories, etc.? That's why I don't accept anything from Alex Jones. Considering you've done exactly nothing to disprove or discredit the information presented by klifnotes, I'd say you have all your work ahead of you.

May 13, 2013 at 11:38 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, you cut your own grass? So ghetto and unfortunate. I guess that's the life of a mid of the pack salesman. Pedro cuts my 40 acres. I pay him well. It's that trickle down thing that works sooooo well. It's gonna be a sweaty summer for you Alprova. I will think about you while I' m at the club. WAL....What A Loser.

May 13, 2013 at 11:38 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I hope you are incarcerated, Maxie. I would hate to think there is anyone with as much venom in one's heart as you walking around loose. You are a menace to whatever society you live in.

May 14, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Minimouse poses no threat to anyone but his Walmart size bag of Cheetos and his mother's bandwidth availability.

WALAL -- What a lying a$$ looser

May 14, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
mosquito said...

AMEN!! I cut my own grass and my mother and fathers too, wtf has that got to do with anything?? no wonder Bush got in twice with people like you voting...full disclosure--it only took me once to wake up..

and there was no way in hell I was voting for algore or kerry either ..i would vote for a few on here any day before that happens again.

May 14, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
mosquito said...

Easy, i agree with you to a certain point on A jones.. but there is some good info to be had from time to time..

My biggest point with him is if the powers that be would off a sitting President then why on earth would they allow him to keep breathing??

Bill Cooper--now thats another story..

May 14, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
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