published Saturday, September 21st, 2013

Get out of The Dark Ages and other letters to the editors

Get out of the Dark Ages

I feel very fortunate to live in an area that has so many holier-than-thouers who feel it is their God-given duty to sit around on their thrones and pass judgment on their fellow man. It must be wonderful to be living a life that is so pure and non-sinful that you feel you can cast stones at human beings you don't even know.

And I love the way you, in lock step, like to use that oxymoron phrase "we love the sinner, but hate the sin." It's your rules that must be obeyed, not God's, to get into your little clique of the righteous and the holy.

All this coming from groups that have Bible study their whole lives and still don't know the Bible, but can certainly spout the passages that agree with their hatreds and prejudices. And it's loaded with those phrases and stories written over 2,000 years ago by men who didn't have a clue about what was going on in the world, just their little niche. We have had many years to overcome these tales and now we have science to explain most of the mysteries of life. Let's get out of the Dark Ages.

ANN BENTON, Signal Mountain


European trip is questioned

An article entitled "Georgia officials' trip to France raises questions" appeared In the Metro section of your Sep. 14 paper.

A few years ago, I went to Atlanta to pay a visit to the State Board of Education. The amount of space they occupy is huge. I had some questions to ask regarding our own school system and was told that our school system answers to no one but the voters. So why do we even need a State Board of Education? I am hoping that our next governor will make it one of his/her priorities to completely dismantle or drastically scale back the State Board of Education. We don't need to spend taxpayer money to take a trip to any country. If we want our students to learn other cultures, we have plenty of those in this country who, I'm sure, would be glad to attend classrooms and tell about the country in which they were born and grew up. I don't think our school systems are frugally utilizing our money. Many students cannot even pass college entrance exams and have to pay to repeat courses they should have already had in school. Please contact your elected officials.

CHERISE MILLER, Ringgold, Ga.


Christians being persecuted in Syria

When President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize he gave a good speech. It's online, read it. He quoted the Golden Rule and he said Islamic extremist shouldn't be allowed to take away others human rights through violence. The President noted that we must uphold the "highest moral conduct in war." Recently we began arming the "rebels" who have been identified with terror groups on our watch lists and with links to al-Qaida.

Please consider, Christians in Syria are being murdered, raped and tortured by these "rebels"and be-headings have become a source of entertainment. Yet, our President is fixated on chemical weapons use by Syria. He has not chastened the "rebels" who relish forcing their victims to submit to Islam, nor has he remarked when infidels are given a gruesome death for refusal to convert. It was a good speech, Peace Prize President.

CLAY WHITTAKER


Judges aren’t immune from laws

From the front page of the Sep. 12 Times Free Press, “Chattooga judge admits illegally charging fees.” The judge admittedly has been doing this for years. He says that charging such fees is “the proper thing to do” and “it’s in the best interest of justice.” Really? Charging illegal fees is in the best interest of justice? Nowhere in the article did it mention if the judge was going to be arrested for breaking the law. It appears that if you are a government official in Georgia, you’re immune from arrest and prosecution for breaking the law.

GARY HAYES, Ooltewah


Bilyeu’s death causes sadness

I was saddened to learn of the untimely passing of Guy Bilyeu. A few years back I was handling the Animal Control Docket for the City of Chattanooga and Guy was the director of the Humane Society. He was always a pleasure to work with. Always respectful, caring, and accommodating, and always concerned for the rights of citizens and animals.

When McKamey took over the animal control for the City it would have been easy for Guy to have been upset because it took away some of the Humane Society’s business. Instead Guy took the high road and supported McKamey in many of it’s projects. I believe he did so because of his love and dedication to the rights and welfare of the animals being sheltered.

But more importantly, Guy was just a nice person. A wonderful human being who left us far too soon. I will miss him.

JUDGE RUSSELL BEAN, Chattanooga City Court


Pastor’s perspective cause for concern

I was deeply disturbed by Brian Cosby’s “editorial” Four Common Misconceptions: A Pastor’s Perspective. This diatribe was presented as absolute truth as opposed to narrow-minded and homophobic opinion. To compare being gay with being alcoholic is very hateful and simply ill-founded. I certainly respect the good doctor’s right to his opinion, but I have to wonder how it makes the gay members of his congregation feel. Does his congregation include gay people? How does he love and minister to them? He ends his perspective by proclaiming his love for the very people he has just judged and insulted. And, then he punctuates this judgment with a dare to call him a bigot by calling those who disagree with him bigots. Really? My question is this: Where is Christ in this kind of pontification?

BROTHER RON FENDER, The Brotherhood of Saint Gregory

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conservative said...

Mr. Ron Fender, you say you were “deeply disturbed” by Pastor Brian Cosby comments.

Great! This probably means that your heart is not so hardened that God no longer convicts you of the gross abomination of homosexuality.

God is not a liar and what He says will come to pass. No homosexual, not even one will inherit the kingdom of God ( 1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

If you hear His voice harden not your heart.

September 21, 2013 at 7:48 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Conservative's up early to day for his homo-patrol.

He'll be coming out of his closet today and found in a flowing robe, crown-of-torns on top of his tin-foil cap, and drooling his Bible verses throughout the day at playgrounds and public bathrooms in an attempt to find abominations.

If he's truly looking for gross abominations he should look in the mirror.

Here's Conservative's Think Tank.

September 21, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Hooray! A day without letters from the knuckle-dragging crowd of fundies! It's like a breath of fresh air. Of course, the con-man is always there to post his rancid hate-filled comments, but that's to be expected. He's like dog poop on the sidewalk: You see it (him) ahead and just step around it. As ugly and smelly as it is it's too insignificant to let it spoil an otherwise good day.

Ann Benton, you tell it like it is. There is no more disgusting phrase than "we love the sinner but hate the sin." The holier-than-thous say that all the time as a means of justifying their judgments of others. But their own self-righteousness is more often than not worse than any so-called sins of others whom they point their sanctimonious fingers at.

Brother Fender, being an atheist I'm sure I disagree with you on many of the finer points of theology - like for example, no God, no savior, and nothing to be saved from except our own stupidity... things like that - but I completely respect you for your lack of judgment and your focus on the positive aspects of your religion rather than the negative. People like to say that we atheists are caustic and bitter and hate all Christians or religious people, but that is not so. If there were more religious folks like you whose main goal is to spread the love and not cast stones or brainwash others to believe exactly like you, then nobody would hardly ever hear a peep from us atheists. It is only the hateful and mind-numbing dogma of the worst aspects of religion, so common from the fundamentalists here in the Bible belt, that we rail against.

September 21, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Oops...I just caught a error after it was too late to edit it: I didn't mean that I respected Brother Fender for a "lack of judgment," but rather for his not being judgmental. The former might have sounded as if I was accusing him of not exercising good judgment but I didn't mean it that way. Sorry.

September 21, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

I have not seen one single scripture in the bible that is anti-homosexual. No Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic word translates to "homosexual" because the term and its medical definition did not exist until the 19th Century, when it was identified as an inherent psycho-sexual trait and began to be medically studied.

What the bible condemns are very specific same-sex sexual ACTS. Genesis 19 is about an attempted gang rape, Leviticus 18:22 is a Mosaic law (not applicable to Christians) forbidding ritualistic anal sex, Romans 1:13-32 is about the intoxicated, frenzied pagan sex orgies of the Romans to their idols, 1 Corinthians 6:9 comments on the catamites and dirty old men who solicited them, a common practice in Corinth's many brothels.

If a gay or lesbian person is not practicing any of these things, I see no reason why they should feel condemned by these scriptures, anymore so than a heterosexual reading about opposite-sex prostitution, rape, pagan sex orgies etc. which the bible also mentions.

September 21, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

There is no reason that anyone should feel "condemned" for anything the Bible says anyway. It's time for otherwise grown-up intelligent people to pull their heads out of their collective fundamentalist a-holes and get a whiff of the 21st century. Nothing that two people do willingly among themselves and that does not harm another person is a "sin." It's long past time to get over this childish, insane fixation with an old man up in the sky who has nothing better to do than to worry about what bodily orifices some couple, gay or straight, is using to pleasure themselves in their own privacy.

September 21, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Conservative, like Ken Orr, is concerned about mens' rectums; that's their fetish and favorite subject. Conservative is waiting for a smiting commission from heaven, but I'll go ahead and grant him and Orr the official title of "Gawd's Assho!e Inspector."

Just like the Mounties, they'll always get their man. "Spread 'em, Ken O." (my apologies to Jack Lord.)

Seriously, who wants or needs a fundamentalist Gawd who's more concerned with prayers at a football game than hungry children, disease, and genocide? A Gawd who would have Conservative and Orr as His spokesmen is as crazy as they are.

If you imagine these nutters wearing turbans, they're just as wacky as Muslim fundamentalists.

Keep your children and pets away from these two. Watch the movie "Red State" and you'll see them in action.

September 21, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
degage said...

Rickaroo, you lament the Christians, saying they are hate filled. You need to go back and read your comments and tell me your post are not filled with hate for Christians. If you don't like their post or letters don't read them. I don't usually read your post anymore but this time A couple of sentences caught my eye and you didn't disappoint, same old same old coming from you.

September 21, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

There is a difference between Christians who see the Bible as a metaphor and those who see the Bible as a literal and inerrant scientific and historically accurate document. The latter, not content to keep their religion in their homes, churches, and fundamentalist madrasses, seek to impose their religious nuttery on public schools and government.

Those are the ignorant fundamentalists who are dangerous. Conservative, Orr, and a few others on this forum who believe they speak for some paranoid/schizophrenic deity and want to establish a governmental and educational theocracy. They long and work for a new Dark Age of Calvinist and Christian Reconstruction.

They are to be ridiculed for their ignorance, and stopped at every opportunity to inflict their beliefs in public schools and all government institutions.

It's not hate; it's look at the reality of extreme religious fundamentalism in America and the dangers it poses to any thinking person.

There are good Christians without a doubt; even many who attend fundamentalist churches. But they don't ask for nor want a return to the Calvinist and Spanish Inquisitions of dogmatic faith, nor a theocratic America.

There's more danger in America from religious fundamentalism than any foreign country.

Would you want a Fred Phelps, John Hagee, Conservative, or Orr running your schools and government?

September 21, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Degage, your critical thinking skills are sorely lacking, I see. Or perhaps my comment to Brother Ron Fender is one of my comments that you passed over because you just assume that I am going to post more of the "same old same old." I definitely make a distinction between Christians whose main intent is to spread the love without finger-pointing and being judgmental (those who, like daytonsdarwin says, see the Bible as metaphor) and those self-righteous brain-dead fundamentalist cretins who believe the Bible to be the literal, inerrant word of God. I have made the distinction before, in other of my posts, too. If I seem to be passionate in my vilification of those knuckle-dragging morons, I am. They are contemptible in their self-righteousness and despicable for the way in which they attempt to force their beliefs on other people, all the while acting as if it is they who are the ones being persecuted. And I will continue to speak out against them as long as they keep thumping their Bibles, spouting off ignorant nonsense, and trying to spread their religion of lies and wicked fairy tales. As for what you think of my posts, frankly I don't give a rat's ass.

September 21, 2013 at 10:10 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

********Homosexual Felching*******National Institute of Health

Well, Folks, You know, when a particular segment of our society purposely increases pestilence, well, then, I am compelled to speak up.

It indeed 'says something' about this particular population segment when they introduce otherwise unimaginably 'sick' behavior to our society.

1,000 out of every 6,000 Men Having Sex With Men engage in Felching! These Homosexuals ***Suck or Eat sperm fluids (semen)with Feces out of their 'Loving' Partner's Anus (Rectum, Intestine). The Rectum is often sex-torn with Blood being mixed with the Feces.

What population on earth would have ever even imagined such a grotesquely sick, filthy, disease ridden/causing behavior? Answer: Homosexual individuals..What else are they doing to infect our society? That which even 'they' will not speak of? Jesus Christ told us of the 'pestilences' which would come as judgments on this earth.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21573705/?i=3&from=/19543410/related

Ken ORR

September 22, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Even 'before' The Dark Ages 'pestilences' destroyed and/or crippled children and adults. Scriptures within The Holy Bible warn us about pestilences. Jesus Christ.of Nazareth warned us of the Judgments which would come upon this earth due to foolish disobedience to His Word!

No person can ever 'Get Out of The Dark Ages' when one chooses to live in Darkness!!!

Ken ORR

Saint Matthew 24:7: Jesus Christ said: "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows."...... Jesus Christ..The Lord God of Hosts

September 22, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Flagged your 6:13 post Ken. Disgusting.

September 22, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

So Orr, you ready to tell everyone about your credentials you claimed as a mental health therapist? You promised, remember?

Are these credentials the same as your "science" credentials? Non-existent? You claimed science credentials, but never produced them.

You said that you would reveal all about your mental health therapist career. Remember?

Yet you haven't since making that claim six days ago.

More lies, Orr? Just another lie you think you won't get called on?

You invited questions. I asked questions. Yet you've been silent. Why?

You're the biggest liar I've seen in quite sometime, Orr.

Shame on you for your lies and shame on you for your families' humiliation at your own hands.

Will you ever stop lying? Will you ever stop making things up about your various careers?

You're sick Orr. A pathological liar who hides behind fundamentalism.

Does your God approve of your lies? Does your Jesus know you lie? Does your church know you lie?

Proverbs 19:9 - A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall perish.

Orr, you've been caught lying again.

September 22, 2013 at 7:05 p.m.
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